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Proof_ Russian Roulette - Episode 9_ Season One Update - Truth Will Reveal Itself(M4A_128K) · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 3: Hi there.
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  Speaker 4: If you haven't listened to Season one Approved yet, then
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  Speaker 4: stop listening to this episode right now, hit the pause
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  Speaker 4: button and go binge. Listen to the whole season before
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  Speaker 4: continuing with this We'll be here when you're done. All right,
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  Speaker 4: So everyone who's still here knows what happened to Lee
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  Speaker 4: Clark and Josh story right, good, But just for a
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  Speaker 4: quick recap. Back in December eighth of twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 4: as a result of the new evidence discovered in our investigation,
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  Speaker 4: Lee and Josh wordsonerated. The Floyd County DIA's office agreed
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  Speaker 4: to a constant motion overturning their convictions. The Proof team
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  Speaker 4: was there on the courtroom when the judge announced that
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  Speaker 4: their convictions would be vacated and that they would be
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  Speaker 4: free men for the first time in twenty five years.
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  Speaker 5: All right, now, I know again there are a lot
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  Speaker 5: of family and friends in here and that ordinarily days.
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  Speaker 5: But if you want to impall the and it's an
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  Speaker 5: all involved in media that at this time, where are
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  Speaker 5: you true.
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  Speaker 6: I'm Susan Simpson and I'm Jacinda Davis.
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  Speaker 4: I'm an attorney and investigator, and I'm a true crime
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  Speaker 4: TV producer. And this is Proof Season two, Murder at
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  Speaker 4: the Warehouse. Proof is a Red Marble Media production and
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  Speaker 4: association with Glassbox Media.
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  Speaker 6: New episodes are released on Mondays and on Thursdays. You
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  Speaker 6: can catch our sidebar episodes where we talk about the case,
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  Speaker 6: talk to guests, and tell you more about what's going
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  Speaker 6: on behind the scenes. You can find additional materials about
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  Speaker 6: this case on our website at proofcrimepod dot com. This
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  Speaker 6: is episode nine, a season one update. Truth will reveal itself.
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  Speaker 4: In the fifteen months since Lee Clark's and Josh Story's exonerations,
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  Speaker 4: we've spent a lot of time with both of them,
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  Speaker 4: and we thought y'all want to hear from them too
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  Speaker 4: about what life has been like since they were freed, and,
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  Speaker 4: as is common for exoneries, life after release has been
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  Speaker 4: filled with lots of high points, but also lots of Low's.
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  Speaker 4: Life is not easy after being behind bars for twenty
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  Speaker 4: five years, especially when you were a kid and you
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  Speaker 4: went in. You'll hear later from Josh, Dory, Kevin and
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  Speaker 4: Decenda caught up with him, but first we'll hear from
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  Speaker 4: Lee Clark.
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  Speaker 7: Hey, Hey, how y'all doing.
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  Speaker 4: I caught up with Lee over the phone, so excuse
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  Speaker 4: the audio, but I talked to him about what it
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  Speaker 4: was like to be exonerated and walk free after twenty
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  Speaker 4: five years behind bars.
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  Speaker 8: That day right there, it was it was a fun day.
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  Speaker 8: It was the most exciting day of my life. But
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  Speaker 8: it was it was just sighting and also at the
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  Speaker 8: same time, fish makes any sense to you, It was
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  Speaker 8: a lot kind of being thrown to a blender that was
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  Speaker 8: going wide open.
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  Speaker 4: It was so crazy on the outside. I can't imagine
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  Speaker 4: how crazy it wasn't there for you?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean you're sitting there. I mean, yeah, all
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  Speaker 8: of it is really good. I mean all the emotions
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  Speaker 8: that were running through me was just nothing but pure joy.
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  Speaker 8: But it's going into all of it like you've just
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  Speaker 8: been thrown into a blender. I mean, it was. It
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  Speaker 8: was a lot. It was a whole lot to take.
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  Speaker 4: In that evening, all of Lee and Josh's supporters had
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  Speaker 4: gone to the Flood County jail to greet them as
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  Speaker 4: they finally walked out.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, it was late at night when we got out
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  Speaker 8: of there.
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  Speaker 7: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 8: I come out to them doors and my family was
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  Speaker 8: standing out there. And the eruption I heard when I
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  Speaker 8: come out to them doors and the first person that
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  Speaker 8: I ran into that was standing there waiting on me
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  Speaker 8: right run on the line with my grandmother. I'll never
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  Speaker 8: forget that day right there him.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I got you, I got you.
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  Speaker 4: Since then, Lee has been adapting to the reality of
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  Speaker 4: having to restart his life from scratch. The last time
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  Speaker 4: he was free, he was eighteen years old. It was
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  Speaker 4: nineteen ninety seven, and life was very different.
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  Speaker 8: Been doing good since I've been out. It's been a
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  Speaker 8: bit of a challenge adjusting to certain things where they
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  Speaker 8: are today. But I mean, thanks have been going good
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  Speaker 8: with me though. I mean, it's been a lot of
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  Speaker 8: stuff fast years since this went by. Had it really
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  Speaker 8: belonged my mind? A lot of high points, A whole
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  Speaker 8: lot of high points. I can't say that.
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  Speaker 9: Does it feel like time's going faster now?
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  Speaker 8: Oh, he's densively going faster for a little career. This
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  Speaker 8: year that I've been out, I look back at it
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  Speaker 8: during it seemed like a year. It seems like I've
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  Speaker 8: been out lot through three months. I just wonder where
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  Speaker 8: the year went to. But I had went through a
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  Speaker 8: lot in the past year.
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  Speaker 7: I lost my.
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  Speaker 8: Grandmother her anniversary of hers It was just here, but
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  Speaker 8: we'll go on for worse.
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  Speaker 9: Sixteenth Yeah, you had nothing came to you easy.
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  Speaker 4: You got home from being in prison twenty five years
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  Speaker 4: and suddenly your caretaker to your diying grandma.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty real. But I'm glad I did
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  Speaker 8: get spend a quality of time with it though. That
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  Speaker 8: was good. I know something she wanted and I've been
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  Speaker 8: wanting for a long time too. Even though we got
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  Speaker 8: it under the circumstances, we got it and there I
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  Speaker 8: was still thankful to get it though.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm glad you were out for it.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 9: Do people recognize you around town?
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  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, it seemed. Look here, where I go, I'll
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  Speaker 8: run into people and thank you telling me, Oh, we
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  Speaker 8: are much fodcast. We're so glad you're out, he said.
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  Speaker 8: Where I go, I'll get it from everybody. It's just
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  Speaker 8: it's good though. I love hearing it because I love
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  Speaker 8: the people finally know the truth of you all say it.
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  Speaker 8: I waited a long time for this to come out
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  Speaker 8: and out to decide I can. I can't even tell
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  Speaker 8: you how thankful I am. I mean, I just I
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  Speaker 8: sit here and look at it. I still I just
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  Speaker 8: wonder sometimes I can't just want to tell somebody to
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  Speaker 8: paints made really really hard to make sure that I
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  Speaker 8: ain't dreaming.
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  Speaker 9: What's been the number one hardest thing.
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  Speaker 8: Is the hardest thing for me? It has been money.
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  Speaker 8: Since I've been out. That's been the hardest thing for me.
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  Speaker 9: Just making ends meet, to survive day to day.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, because I mean I can't do it out here.
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  Speaker 8: I mean not making the money I make it, and
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  Speaker 8: I mean what I do. I mean that's that's because
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I said I was sent somewhere for twenty
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  Speaker 8: five years. I wasn't nowt here. It didn't good chance
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  Speaker 8: to get no experience at all these jobs and stuff.
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  Speaker 8: So therefore I can't go into a job. I can't
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  Speaker 8: get through jobs making good money because I don't have
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  Speaker 8: the experience. I'm making the experience now. But how many look,
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  Speaker 8: we're talking about a year, how many we're talking about
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  Speaker 8: people that have got fifteen twenty years experience under their
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  Speaker 8: bills and being age I met forty five, I should
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  Speaker 8: have that experience under my bill, but I don't. That's
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  Speaker 8: what you deal with on daily basis though.
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  Speaker 7: I mean it's I.
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  Speaker 9: Know, when you first got out for a while, you
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  Speaker 9: were working night shifts.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah right there. It was not working at all. I
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  Speaker 8: tried to night shit for three months and I felt
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  Speaker 8: like I was turning into a zombie every time I
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  Speaker 8: changed shit and getting ready to get off.
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  Speaker 9: So what are you doing now.
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  Speaker 8: Well, No, I'm working out really uh dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 8: I like it out there. I work maintenance out there,
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  Speaker 8: drum maintenance and stuff. But I'm also thinking in back
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  Speaker 8: of my mind the whole time I'm doing this job,
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  Speaker 8: working this job, I feeling myself. Man, here it is,
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  Speaker 8: you're forty four, fan me forty five. You should be
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  Speaker 8: a supervisor somewhere. You should be maybe running your own
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  Speaker 8: business somewhere. You're supposed to be doing something. And I
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  Speaker 8: don't get me wrong, it's not I'm not complaining. I
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  Speaker 8: mean i am, but I'm not, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 8: I'm thankful to have the job I've got, but still
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  Speaker 8: I love to have something to make it a lot
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  Speaker 8: more money. I mean, I love the lot the rest
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  Speaker 8: of my life heading in right now, there's some things
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  Speaker 8: in my life that I would like to be better
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  Speaker 8: right now. Yeah, definitely. And my biggest thing is I
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  Speaker 8: think it's probably everybody's biggest things, miss finances me. I mean,
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  Speaker 8: it's it would be different than I've been out here
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  Speaker 8: all these years. You know, I feel like it wouldn't
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  Speaker 8: be different. I know it would be. I ain't convinced
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  Speaker 8: that if I've been here all these years, i'd be
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  Speaker 8: doing what I'm doing now. I'd have my own business
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  Speaker 8: somewhere right now, doing my own thing, because I know me,
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  Speaker 8: I know what kind of guy I am, so I
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  Speaker 8: know what be successful somewhere right now doing something.
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  Speaker 9: So I know you've done some traveling a little bit. Anyway.
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  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, Well I went out the bingis out there
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  Speaker 8: and the salaries conference after I first got out back
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  Speaker 8: and I think it was Marshall last year went out
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  Speaker 8: there that that was really good to go out there
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  Speaker 8: and made all these honorees. It wasn't just from Georgia.
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  Speaker 8: There were all over the United States, people from different states,
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  Speaker 8: and just to meet the different innocent projects that were
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  Speaker 8: out there and stuff. I mean, just being in the
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  Speaker 8: room with all that stuff going on, it's mind blowing.
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  Speaker 8: I mean you can't understand it till you're in the
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  Speaker 8: room and actually feel it for yourself. And then we
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  Speaker 8: went down there to Orlando, Me and Amanda went down
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  Speaker 8: there with you and just sending them Kevin. We went
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  Speaker 8: down there for the crime con down there. That was
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  Speaker 8: a good experience right there.
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  Speaker 9: Did you just call it crimea con?
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  Speaker 8: That's what there was. It was it crimeos con wasn't. No,
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  Speaker 8: it's not a crime, con is it. No? Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 8: that's what it is.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, And you're going You're going this year Atnnison's conference.
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  Speaker 8: Right, yeah, that in New Orders. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna
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  Speaker 8: be fun there and looking forward to that. But yeah,
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  Speaker 8: I even went up to New York too, went up
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  Speaker 8: there in a sing just sitting there, Kevin up her
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  Speaker 8: saying their office up here, and we went uh. We
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  Speaker 8: also went to Savannah, so saw you down there. That
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  Speaker 8: was fun trip.
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  Speaker 4: I asked Lee what his life had been like fifteen
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  Speaker 4: months ago when he was still in prison and uncertain
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  Speaker 4: if he'd ever be coming home.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, my days in prison, you spent citizen just the
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  Speaker 8: day waking up, trying to force myself to go through
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  Speaker 8: another day of this, telling them, I said, well, you
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  Speaker 8: got to push yourself through another day of it, and
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  Speaker 8: my brain sitting there telling me they want to do
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  Speaker 8: another day of it. And I sit there and argue
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  Speaker 8: with myself all day, back and forth, back and forth,
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  Speaker 8: until around lunch time, I figne, got me about two
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  Speaker 8: or three cups coffee, I go get my work out
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  Speaker 8: in and if finally go get my shower, and you're
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  Speaker 8: getting bet that's routine, and there ain't no routine, not
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  Speaker 8: for an innocent man shitting mind bars. That is not
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  Speaker 8: a routine to have every day. That routine ruight there,
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  Speaker 8: drive and trazy. You got too much time on he hands,
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  Speaker 8: too much time to think. You think about on everything
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  Speaker 8: you missing out on, think about all the way he's
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  Speaker 8: being done wrong. That's all you can think about, over
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  Speaker 8: and over again. It's the endless cycle, never ends, but
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  Speaker 8: thankfully though.
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  Speaker 7: It is.
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  Speaker 8: Some people though it.
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  Speaker 9: Never ends for have you been listening to season two prou.
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  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I've been listening to it. And what happened
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  Speaker 8: to Tie that went out? There was dead wrong? Jake too?
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  Speaker 8: What happened about for them? But Tie? That was this
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  Speaker 8: said wrong?
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  Speaker 7: Right?
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  Speaker 9: There can't be fixed.
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  Speaker 8: No, it can't never be fixed. It can't be set
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  Speaker 8: right the man. It's lost being took for him and
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  Speaker 8: an innocent man sitting mind bars, and it's lost being
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  Speaker 8: took from there's no I mean, there's nothing you can
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  Speaker 8: do to make it right. You can't never make it right.
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  Speaker 8: Nobody can't.
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  Speaker 7: It's just that wrong.
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  Speaker 9: What are your thoughts on Jake and what's happened to him?
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  Speaker 8: I think it's a tragedy, So I think that's a
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  Speaker 8: little tragedy. I look at Jake and I hear a
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  Speaker 8: lot of Jay way he talks way where he was
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  Speaker 8: when he was younger. Jake reminds me of me in
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  Speaker 8: some ways. And but Jay said, California kid, that's a
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  Speaker 8: lot of stuff we don't have in common. But I
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  Speaker 8: do see some of something myself in it.
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  Speaker 9: I did you. Y'all are very different people, but I
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  Speaker 9: do see some similarities.
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  Speaker 8: New Yeah, I see a little bit of myself in
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  Speaker 8: him and some of the stuff I see in him.
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  Speaker 8: And I just listening to stuff he said, take me back,
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  Speaker 8: and it's been a I can't imagine what it's been
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  Speaker 8: a lot for him because I sit there. I looked
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  Speaker 8: at this, all the stuff. I mean, I know for
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  Speaker 8: the fact that they were in love. You know what
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  Speaker 8: I'm saying, Oh you knew you could tell you love
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  Speaker 8: with now? I mean, and you know, I sit there
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  Speaker 8: and I look at that right there, and I'm would
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  Speaker 8: it feels about the love of woman because I got
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  Speaker 8: one sitting wrapside right here. I love her something dearer
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  Speaker 8: and I can only think or it would be like
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  Speaker 8: being Jay Shoes. It's just sit behind the bars, knowing
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  Speaker 8: that you didn't do it, and they excusing me of
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  Speaker 8: killing her because I've been where he's at, so I
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  Speaker 8: put myself in the shoes. So I tell you right
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  Speaker 8: now that right there, because's real deep. It's like a
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  Speaker 8: dagger in the hour.
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  Speaker 9: Is it hard to listen to it?
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  Speaker 7: Oh?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's real hard to listen to it. It's really
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  Speaker 8: hard to listen to it when you know exactly what
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  Speaker 8: he's going through, when you know where he's at because
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  Speaker 8: you've been there. See, it's hard to listen to it.
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  Speaker 8: My heart brace for it.
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  Speaker 9: And first he's feeling the thing you didn't have to
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  Speaker 9: ever deal with, which was the rape charge.
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  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, you've got that jacket. I'm telling you what
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  Speaker 8: it did for you in there. It ain't the fun
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  Speaker 8: place to be. It markshes what it does. I've seen
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  Speaker 8: it firsthand behind I've been behind the walls and I've
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  Speaker 8: washed it firsthand and and action, and I know what
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  Speaker 8: it does. And it's never pretty sad. And you don't
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  Speaker 8: want to ask one place right there that teaches you
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  Speaker 8: to build up walls. You don't never let that wall down.
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  Speaker 8: You don't never want to let yourself build too much
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  Speaker 8: open there because you already know the feeling of what
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  Speaker 8: it feels about to have a snatch from me. And
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  Speaker 8: when you feel that one time, trust me, you don't
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  Speaker 8: want to feel it again. So you got to put
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  Speaker 8: no walls so you don't have to feel it again. No,
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  Speaker 8: you can't never let your yard down. You don't never
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  Speaker 8: get a good night's sleep. You won't know where the
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  Speaker 8: good night's sleep is.
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  Speaker 7: I did not.
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  Speaker 8: I didn't know what one was twenty five years. When
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  Speaker 8: I walked out that first night, I said, oh God mighty.
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  Speaker 8: When I laid down, I woke. I was such a
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  Speaker 8: deep sleep. I woke next morning I was tripping out.
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  Speaker 8: I was over my dad's laid on this blow up mattress.
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  Speaker 7: I said.
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  Speaker 8: I woke up flipping out. I said, what is that noise?
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  Speaker 8: It took me minute the rich shirt. It was birds
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  Speaker 8: outside Turkey. That's all hard.
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  Speaker 9: I was sleeping on, like koffee, blow up bad in
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  Speaker 9: your dad.
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  Speaker 8: Don't blow up man? Yeah? Any better in the prison, man, though.
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  Speaker 9: If you could tell something, that would it be.
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  Speaker 8: I was just telling you I lose old man. I
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  Speaker 8: know it's hard to hold on too. I know because
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  Speaker 8: I went through it for twenty five years. Man, it's
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  Speaker 8: real hard to hold on to and it gets real
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  Speaker 8: thing it sometimes, but you gotta have faith, have hope. Man,
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  Speaker 8: it's gonna it's gonna work out, and it. Don't never
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  Speaker 8: give up, don't never stop fighting. I'll never stop fighting.
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  Speaker 8: I'll never do that. I'll never give in on it.
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  Speaker 8: I'll never stop fighting. You stay hit it, you stay
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  Speaker 8: have faith. It's gonna work out. God knows. I mean never,
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  Speaker 8: so many times I just want to give up going
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  Speaker 8: the road, to slice my throat and it just let
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  Speaker 4: And now that he has a connection with the outside
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  Speaker 4: the world and he knows people knows his story, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: was that for you?
• 15:59
  Speaker 9: Was that?
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  Speaker 7: Uh?
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  Speaker 9: Was that a comfort? Just knowing even before we knew
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  Speaker 9: where it was going, just knowing people.
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  Speaker 8: Knew, just knowing the mean that people was gonna know
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  Speaker 8: what I would had to say right here, and was
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  Speaker 8: gonna hear my side of it, find me because nobody
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  Speaker 8: never heard nothing from me.
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  Speaker 4: Finally having the chance to tell their stories and to
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  Speaker 4: have what happened to them he brought to light changed
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  Speaker 4: everything for Lee and Josh and to change things for
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: some other people as well. So you mentioned your lady
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  Speaker 4: a couple of times ago. How about you introduce us.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, hold on this second here, can you get here
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  Speaker 4: Memorry Wobe Hello, Hey, Amanda?
• 16:45
  Speaker 8: Hey, Yeah, I know y'all do her will acquainted?
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  Speaker 3: Can talk to you again? Yeah, got me too.
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  Speaker 4: That's Amanda Bowling. If you've listened to season one, you've
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: heard from her before. Her brother was Brian Bowling, the
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: boy that Lee and Josh were wrongfully convicted of killing.
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  Speaker 9: So things have changed since uh season one, haven't there?
• 17:15
  Speaker 8: Oh?
• 17:17
  Speaker 9: Well, I know the two of you knew each other before, Yeah,
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  Speaker 9: because we.
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  Speaker 3: Talked about it.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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• 17:28
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• 17:36
  Speaker 10: And he did way before everything, Yeah, way before everything that.
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  Speaker 8: Was my wild days here though she didn't want nothing
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  Speaker 4: When we first began investigating for season one, we had
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: had known something was not quite right with the way
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: her brother's alleged killers had been prosecuted. Things had not
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: entirely added up, but she'd never doubted that Lee and
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Josh were guilty somehow of killing Brian.
• 22:13
  Speaker 9: I mean, you went from knowing that Lee killed your brother.
• 22:18
  Speaker 10: Yeah, and knowing that Payne was nowhere around had nothing
• 22:23
  Speaker 10: to do with it. And to be honest, I had
• 22:27
  Speaker 10: a lot, a lot of hate for Lee, and I
• 22:31
  Speaker 10: don't know, whenever I found out the truth and everything,
• 22:35
  Speaker 10: you know, all that hate turned to nothing but love
• 22:38
  Speaker 10: for him, and I don't know, it just kept getting
• 22:42
  Speaker 10: stronger and stronger, I mean, you know, and we wasn't
• 22:46
  Speaker 10: even talking or anything, and it just kept growing and
• 22:52
  Speaker 10: bamed there.
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: It was, I know.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: I mean the first time I met, I was so
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: gratefully you talked to us, But it was hard for
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: you to relive this and hard for you to even
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: consider that people had questions about what was going on.
• 23:08
  Speaker 9: With this case. Yeah, and I know you were upset
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: at times that you always.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Coming to mind.
• 23:15
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I did, because you know, I was hearing things
• 23:18
  Speaker 10: for the first time.
• 23:20
  Speaker 8: You know that I had never heard.
• 23:22
  Speaker 10: Before because I was just seventeen when all that happened,
• 23:26
  Speaker 10: and Mom and Dad they tried to keep me shielded
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: from a lot of stuff. So there was a lot
• 23:33
  Speaker 10: of stuff that I didn't even know that had happened
• 23:36
  Speaker 10: or was even going on.
• 23:38
  Speaker 9: So you learned it with everyone else.
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I sure did.
• 23:43
  Speaker 10: And you know, I really opened my eyes up to
• 23:49
  Speaker 10: how things really was. I mean, it was to the
• 23:53
  Speaker 10: point that it made me seek for a little while.
• 23:57
  Speaker 10: But then whenever I had listened to everything, and at
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: that one point when I watched the video of Dallas,
• 24:09
  Speaker 10: you know that, right, there's what did the turning point
• 24:12
  Speaker 10: for me.
• 24:13
  Speaker 9: When Dallas was tasing the tied up in me at
• 24:16
  Speaker 9: the jail.
• 24:17
  Speaker 10: Yeah, Yeah, because you know, I guess I had to
• 24:21
  Speaker 10: see it from my own eyes to believe.
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: He was capable of doing that kind of thing.
• 24:26
  Speaker 10: Yeah, so I knew if he was capable of doing that,
• 24:32
  Speaker 10: then I knew he was really capable of doing what
• 24:35
  Speaker 10: he did.
• 24:37
  Speaker 9: And then of course heard about poor Charlie.
• 24:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah, poor old Charlie.
• 24:40
  Speaker 10: I mean that right there was just that was just
• 24:43
  Speaker 10: another heartbreak itself. I mean, yeah, I know Charlie mo
• 24:49
  Speaker 10: entire life.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, it really hurt. He used him like he did.
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: You know, it just wasn't right.
• 24:58
  Speaker 10: And I'm glad we got in mine to come y'all
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  Speaker 10: got him to come and talk with him, because that
• 25:04
  Speaker 10: right there, he made things so much.
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: Clearer for every company. Yeah, he still blows my mind
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: thinking about it today.
• 25:14
  Speaker 9: Now. I know that after you got out lead, you
• 25:17
  Speaker 9: didn't see Amanda for a while.
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: No, I didn't. Uh, it was a few months after
• 25:21
  Speaker 8: I got out. I think I've been out closer too much.
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: Do One night, le our uncle Michael, our aunt Sandy,
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: we all went out there to Third and we had
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: such a good time at night. It just things just
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: clicked for us. I mean that's when it started for us.
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: I really believe. I mean it did for me that
• 25:39
  Speaker 8: night at least.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, it has been hard dating someone
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: he's been out of the world.
• 25:47
  Speaker 10: For so long sometimes, but you know, Kate kind of
• 25:52
  Speaker 10: got the hang of everything.
• 25:54
  Speaker 8: You know, I need to kick out at me on something.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: But you've ever guessed this to be your life when
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: I just came to talk to you.
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  Speaker 10: No, I never thought I would argue up and down
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  Speaker 10: and said, Okay, what'll happen?
• 26:13
  Speaker 8: Everything has its place in time, and now.
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: It's the time.
• 26:17
  Speaker 8: Yes, it is. It is definite. I love her very
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: much and I love him a lot.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: Well, it's been quite the year for both of you,
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: and I know things we're going to get easier as
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: the time goes on.
• 26:31
  Speaker 9: The first year is always going to be the hardest.
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: Oah, yeah, well at first one behind me tell you.
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: I'm telling you I enjoyed. I enjoyed it, but it
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: was a rough one. Note I ain't a lot. I
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: enjoyed it, but it gave me some knocks along the way,
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: and I do make some knots well in prison.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: It was hard, but you had the same heart over
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: and over again for so many years. Yeah, and suddenly
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: you're out and You've got a new kind of difficult.
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, oh, different ball of.
• 26:59
  Speaker 9: What navigating health insurance, navigating all like.
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: That was really croft. There's not even have any he assures,
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: that's been real filmer buried. Yeah, it's been a good year.
• 27:11
  Speaker 8: I just hope it he's getting murder.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: Lee and Josh's case was actually the third case I've
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: worked on down in Floyd County. Before that, I'd also
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: worked on Mitcham Reeves's case for a series on my
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: podcast Undisclosed, though Mitcham had been released from prison before
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: I was born, so I couldn't help him much with that,
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: but I was able to help him find out who
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: had really committed the murder that he'd been sent to
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: prison for. The very first case I'd worked on in
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: Floyd County, though, was for Joey Watkins. That was season
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: two of Undisclosed back in twenty sixteen, and his case
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: had been slowly meandering its way through the legal system
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: since then. In twenty twenty two, his conviction was finally
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: overturned based on what we discovered while investigating for the
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: podcast years before, but Joey was still behind bar because
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: the Floyd County DA's office said they planned to retry him.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: But it had been Joey who'd first introduced me to
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: Lee Clark. And yet now Lee was already home, well,
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Joey was still behind bars. On the night that Lee
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: and Josh were finally released from the Floyd County jail,
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: there had been a welcome home dinner plan for them,
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: and we've been driving down there when my phone rang.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: I remember we have from your dad's trap, drive down
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: there from jail, and my chance Joey called me.
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: Remember that?
• 28:33
  Speaker 9: Oh yeah, I remember handing my phone over to you.
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: I remember what I told him that. I told him, Look, brother,
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: he come and you gonna move out behind me Alba's
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: Correctional Training Center to refuse his pre call. You may
• 28:47
  Speaker 8: start the conversation.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Now, Hey, Joey, Hey, what's up? Brother?
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: Hey? What's going on?
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: You know who this is, don't you? No?
• 28:58
  Speaker 8: I don't know who?
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: Where you are?
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Now we're driving away from the jail.
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, what's going on?
• 29:08
  Speaker 12: Brother?
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: Hoping to be where you're at.
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: You're going away, brother, You're gonna get here.
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: We're gonna get you here.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Watch walk out of these stam doors out just a
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: few more months.
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: Drama.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: I didn't told you this before, man, and I'm gonna
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: tell it to you the rest of your life.
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: Oh all this to you, man, we did this.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Bull dog is sitting right beside me, right here, and.
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: She's a bulldog. She don't play the radio.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Joey told me at first, you didn't want to talk
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: to me. Yeah, you know, I was a little nervous
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: about talking anybody. You didn't want to trust nobody, did you.
• 29:40
  Speaker 8: I had a hard time trust a lot of people. Man.
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: You need to get out, man and do your think.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: We almost didn't think they were gonna make it out
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: tonight because the courts order came so late.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Jail and the GDC were like, well, we'll wait till tomorrow.
• 29:56
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm glad you're I'm glad they made it too.
• 30:04
  Speaker 13: But yeah, hopefully, hopefully I won't before. Mind, how you
• 30:08
  Speaker 13: ain't the only brother You're coming.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Man, give it a few months, lee and I'll be
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: back here of the jail. I'm gonna be there waiting
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: on you, brother.
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: We're gonna have to shake the bar lousa.
• 30:18
  Speaker 13: I'm glad you're home, That's all I can say.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: It was less than a month later, on January third,
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, when Joey's attorneys won him bond and
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: he came home too. Then in September, Floyd County decided
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: not to retry him and dismissed all charges.
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: And it is Jackal come to be just like that
• 30:41
  Speaker 8: over there he ride behind me.
• 30:43
  Speaker 9: He didn't believe you. I could hear it in his voice.
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: I knew it because I felt. Because one thing you
• 30:47
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• 30:50
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  Speaker 4: Lee Clark and Joey Walkins both have faced a lot
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  Speaker 4: but things have been even harder for Josh.
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• 34:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's been hard and it's been eye opening.
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  Speaker 12: The way of the world nowadays is totally different than
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• 34:17
  Speaker 7: as it has been held though I'm not. I'm gonna
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: be straight up, I did not.
• 34:24
  Speaker 12: One thing it's been hard is when I have that
• 34:27
  Speaker 12: little job I learned from doing some double double shifts
• 34:32
  Speaker 12: and some twelve hour shifts is that my back is
• 34:35
  Speaker 12: not nowhere near as strong as it used to be.
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: Well, you went in at eighteen locked out, you were.
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: Forty three, forty three and a half.
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: It's a big difference from being eighty old, especially when
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: you've been in there and.
• 34:52
  Speaker 18: You've been out for fifteen months, and you know, J
• 34:55
  Speaker 18: Justin and I have spent some time with you and
• 34:57
  Speaker 18: we talk all the time. And I think it's been
• 35:00
  Speaker 18: hard to sort of hold the job and stuff because one,
• 35:04
  Speaker 18: you don't have any job experience, So you're starting off
• 35:07
  Speaker 18: in your mid forties, Yeah, without anything in your resume.
• 35:11
  Speaker 18: Talk about that.
• 35:12
  Speaker 12: Uh, that's that's been hard because even up here where
• 35:15
  Speaker 12: I'm at now in Atlanta, which is my new home,
• 35:18
  Speaker 12: it's still the same. You still have the same you know,
• 35:20
  Speaker 12: obstacles in your way, the same nor get in your face.
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: You don't have no experience.
• 35:25
  Speaker 18: Yeah, and so you guys are wrongfully convicted, wrongfully imprisoned,
• 35:29
  Speaker 18: and you get.
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: Out and there's no help at all, none, none, none,
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: whats so ever.
• 35:35
  Speaker 18: And I mean I remember being shocked by that when
• 35:38
  Speaker 18: it all happened.
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah, I was too.
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: Really, one of the things that was eye opening for
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: me is that when you got out, it was hard
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: just to do basic things. It was hard to get
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: you an ID because I have an ID. You need
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: an address, but you didn't have an address. And then
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: you need a utility bill. But how can you have
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: a utility bill if you don't have an address? And
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: it just felt like this endless loop, and it took
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: so much effort and time just to get simple things
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: like an ID, like a copy of your birth certificate.
• 36:11
  Speaker 12: Like yeah, I was talking to my cousin Steve when
• 36:13
  Speaker 12: was riding around Rome. He was telling me a story
• 36:16
  Speaker 12: by somebody he knows that just got out and parole
• 36:18
  Speaker 12: went to a TC. He said, playing simply, this guy's
• 36:21
  Speaker 12: gangtually got more support, more services and getting more from
• 36:25
  Speaker 12: the state than we got and he's on parole.
• 36:28
  Speaker 18: It's it's really hard, right, And on some of your
• 36:31
  Speaker 18: most difficult days, you told me and just Senda that
• 36:34
  Speaker 18: in some ways, life on the outside has been harder
• 36:38
  Speaker 18: than being in prison.
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: At least I had a roof on my down head
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: and I knew my next meal was coming from.
• 36:44
  Speaker 12: But I got to thinking because regardless of whether I
• 36:48
  Speaker 12: don't have a roofo in my head or the next
• 36:52
  Speaker 12: mil come from I have the opportunity to better myself,
• 36:57
  Speaker 12: or in there you don't have that opportunity.
• 37:00
  Speaker 18: But they also don't have frozen margaritas in prison margaritas.
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: They don't have beautiful liver run around here.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: But freedom has meant everything to Josh. But it has
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: been a hard road. At first, things were going pretty good.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: He got a job, got a routine, Things were okay.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: But without any kind of safety net or support structure
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: behind him, it didn't take much to have that all
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: fall apart.
• 37:26
  Speaker 18: I want to take you back for a second, back
• 37:28
  Speaker 18: to January of twenty three. Okay, okay, and Jasina and
• 37:34
  Speaker 18: I had helped you move into your new apartment, and
• 37:39
  Speaker 18: the three of us sat there and went over a budget, yes,
• 37:44
  Speaker 18: for how we were going to make this work. And
• 37:47
  Speaker 18: what I remember is this look in your face, like,
• 37:51
  Speaker 18: what's a budget?
• 37:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 37:53
  Speaker 18: Because you had never done that, You'd never been you'd
• 37:56
  Speaker 18: never been an adult on the outside. You lived at home.
• 37:59
  Speaker 18: And I think I knew at that moment, and I
• 38:01
  Speaker 18: think you knew it too, this is going to be
• 38:04
  Speaker 18: really hard.
• 38:06
  Speaker 8: Yah.
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I remember it will.
• 38:07
  Speaker 12: We was sitting down on the police paper and I
• 38:09
  Speaker 12: was like, man, i't think I said, how am I
• 38:11
  Speaker 12: going to do this?
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: I just didn't really know what to do. And he
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: just gotten a poor I couldn't sustain it.
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: So you got out in January, like Kevin said, you know,
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: we helped you move into an apartment. You had a
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: job for a couple of months, things were going good.
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: You lost transportation, so you lost the job and it's
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: been hard since then. From my perspective, it's been hard
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: for you to get back on your feet. Like it's
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: really hard to get to a job when you don't
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: have transportation.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: So it's been a hard fifteen months. Recently, with Jasinda's help,
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: Josh found a place of a shelter down in Atlanta,
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: where he's now hoping to rebuild his life from scratch.
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: The point is though, that like you're willing to work,
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: like you, oh yeah, you want a job I wanted
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: Johnson band.
• 39:01
  Speaker 12: I can't stand it because like how are you doing? No,
• 39:09
  Speaker 12: I'm rote man, I'm homeless, I'm homelesss. I'm homelesss.
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: So thank you.
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: And right now, like part of you trying to get
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: back on your feet and trying to become you know, independent.
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: You're in this new program, you're in the shelter in Atlanta,
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: you're going through some classes. You're headed towards getting a
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: voucher for your own apartment, hopefully a job.
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: No, I do.
• 39:32
  Speaker 12: I feel very hopeful in that because the program that
• 39:35
  Speaker 12: I mean actually helps people that actually get vouchers and
• 39:37
  Speaker 12: get get in that situation.
• 39:39
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 39:39
  Speaker 18: Let me ask you something. When you got out of prison,
• 39:43
  Speaker 18: where did you think you would be right now?
• 39:46
  Speaker 12: It's like I said, ern I thought i'd have a job.
• 39:49
  Speaker 12: I thought I had some money in my pocket. I
• 39:51
  Speaker 12: thought I had a home of a bilding. I thought
• 39:53
  Speaker 12: I have, you know, working on my future wife.
• 39:56
  Speaker 18: How really did and what do you want people to
• 39:59
  Speaker 18: know abou about how hard it is to have those
• 40:03
  Speaker 18: basic things in your life when your life has been
• 40:06
  Speaker 18: taken for two and a half decades.
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: It's very hard. I mean it's it's it's mind blowing
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: sometimes how hard it is. And I did not think
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: it be this hard.
• 40:19
  Speaker 12: Lee feels the same way as I that he didn't
• 40:21
  Speaker 12: think it'd be as hard as it was for him.
• 40:24
  Speaker 12: Jo always even mentioned that for me a couple of
• 40:26
  Speaker 12: times too. He didn't think it would be that hard.
• 40:28
  Speaker 12: Neither I really assured he didn't think it would be
• 40:30
  Speaker 12: as hard.
• 40:32
  Speaker 18: I think everyone walking around that doesn't lose time like
• 40:36
  Speaker 18: this in prison takes a lot of these things for granted, right.
• 40:40
  Speaker 18: You take relationships for granted, you take work history for granted.
• 40:45
  Speaker 18: And I feel like you've become this example that when
• 40:49
  Speaker 18: you're locked away for this long, it becomes that much
• 40:53
  Speaker 18: harder to get the basic things everybody dreams of in
• 40:56
  Speaker 18: their life.
• 40:57
  Speaker 12: It's almost like you've been born again and you're learning
• 41:00
  Speaker 12: how to live again, especially when you're in and never
• 41:03
  Speaker 12: done it begin with.
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: Because I mean I literally went from the high school
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: halls and the Shang gang malls.
• 41:08
  Speaker 12: My whole experience was that of a teenager, you know,
• 41:11
  Speaker 12: living at home and Mama Nette, and then I get
• 41:14
  Speaker 12: sent off into the concrete jungle.
• 41:16
  Speaker 18: You got thrown back out with nothing, and you weren't
• 41:20
  Speaker 18: prepared to go into this world.
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: No, I wasn't at all.
• 41:24
  Speaker 18: What I know because Jasinda and I spend time talking
• 41:28
  Speaker 18: to you, and we've seen you a bunch in the
• 41:30
  Speaker 18: last fifteen months, what I know is how scary this
• 41:35
  Speaker 18: is for you, and I know how mad it makes
• 41:37
  Speaker 18: you sometimes.
• 41:39
  Speaker 12: Well, it gets very frightening because all right, yeah, I'm
• 41:44
  Speaker 12: forty four going on forty five. That may not be old,
• 41:48
  Speaker 12: but when you haven't lived, it's very old. And I
• 41:52
  Speaker 12: don't know how much life I got left. They took
• 41:55
  Speaker 12: a lot of it already. Let's say, you know, down
• 41:57
  Speaker 12: the way, sometime we do get compensated to whatever, how
• 42:01
  Speaker 12: much time I got to enjoy it, you know, That's
• 42:03
  Speaker 12: what I'm looking at.
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: That's what's scary to me.
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: I was going to say, you know, it's been really
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: hard for you, but there have been some good times too.
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, especially with y'all guys. It was awesome.
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: You had your first trip to New York City.
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: Yes, and I don't want to go back. Somebody, I
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: can't stand it.
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: I was on the plane with you when we flew
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: into New York.
• 42:28
  Speaker 12: Oh that was awesome. God, that was awesome. I'm like, hey,
• 42:31
  Speaker 12: look at this, we're sideways going over to Manhattan. I'm like, oh, man,
• 42:36
  Speaker 12: that's so great.
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: Another thing you did this year was we were able
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: to go to Nashville with you to record a song
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: in a studio.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: While in Nashville, Josh got to professionally record a song
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: It's available on our YouTube page if you want to listen,
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: and you should. It's really good.
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: Brothers You.
• 43:08
  Speaker 17: Sister, way.
• 43:12
  Speaker 7: A Mother, Freedom Father.
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: What was the song you recorded?
• 43:20
  Speaker 12: It was Brother Juboss was written by Keith Whitley, performed
• 43:23
  Speaker 12: and made famous by Mark Champson up Back in the Night.
• 43:26
  Speaker 12: It's one of my favorite country songs of all the time.
• 43:29
  Speaker 12: The whole setup, you know, singing and recording and having
• 43:32
  Speaker 12: a guy from a well known country band playing the
• 43:34
  Speaker 12: drums bus that was never so cool, so neat, and
• 43:39
  Speaker 12: actually hear it playing, you know, I actually recording the studio,
• 43:43
  Speaker 12: I was like, whoa okay, And then when I heard
• 43:45
  Speaker 12: saw the.
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: Video itself, I was like, I'm good, very madly.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: Georgia is one of only twelve states which there is
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: no guaranteed compensation for the wrongfully convicted. But there is
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: a way to obtain compensation. All you have to do
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: is I'm a member of the Georgia legislature that is
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: willing to sponsor resolution for compensation in your name, and
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: then had that bill passed about the House and the Senate.
• 44:07
  Speaker 18: So we're hoping that at some point you will get
• 44:11
  Speaker 18: compensated for the years that you spent in prison wrong.
• 44:16
  Speaker 18: Do you think about that?
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm hoping to you know, like I say, is
• 44:21
  Speaker 7: correcting or wrong?
• 44:23
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I won't feel fully that the wrong is being
• 44:26
  Speaker 12: corrected until that happens.
• 44:30
  Speaker 18: So the Jeff Titus case that just send us Susan
• 44:34
  Speaker 18: and I worked on. In the state of Michigan, the
• 44:38
  Speaker 18: state provides for compensation for someone that's been wrongfully convicted,
• 44:43
  Speaker 18: and Jeff has already received a payment from the state
• 44:46
  Speaker 18: of Michigan. The state of Georgia doesn't guarantee compensation for
• 44:50
  Speaker 18: someone who's spent time in prison wrongly, and so you
• 44:54
  Speaker 18: have to petition the state for that, and you know
• 44:57
  Speaker 18: that's a difficult circumstance. Lee has found a sponsor for
• 45:02
  Speaker 18: bill in the state House, and you're still looking for
• 45:06
  Speaker 18: a sponsor for bill in the state House. But talk
• 45:09
  Speaker 18: about how how it feels to know that you now
• 45:13
  Speaker 18: have to win compensation. It's not something that's simply provided
• 45:17
  Speaker 18: to you.
• 45:17
  Speaker 12: I don't think it's fair because especially if you know
• 45:22
  Speaker 12: and you even met that Okay, we screwed up and
• 45:25
  Speaker 12: you know where you well, we just took all these
• 45:27
  Speaker 12: years with these guys. Don't you owe us something? Because
• 45:31
  Speaker 12: I mean the situation. On the other foot, they feel
• 45:33
  Speaker 12: that way. So that's how I feel about it. I mean,
• 45:36
  Speaker 12: I don't think it's fair. I really don't. I mean,
• 45:40
  Speaker 12: like I said, I know where I would have been
• 45:42
  Speaker 12: at now that if not for the past courts centric
• 45:44
  Speaker 12: I know this, I would not be in some program
• 45:49
  Speaker 12: trying to survive and trying to get a roof over
• 45:51
  Speaker 12: my head. I had, like I said, either least them
• 45:54
  Speaker 12: out and if not college or maybe the music scene.
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: I'd have had a job working like my daddy, whether.
• 45:59
  Speaker 12: It's rush union, and I'd have been, if not, just
• 46:02
  Speaker 12: a regular worker a form by now making about forty
• 46:06
  Speaker 12: dollars an hour.
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: I know this, and I know now in my mind
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: about this and that opportunity was taken from.
• 46:13
  Speaker 18: Me, And how much of a difference would that money
• 46:19
  Speaker 18: make in your life?
• 46:21
  Speaker 12: I wouldn't be homeless, I'll be right now. If I
• 46:23
  Speaker 12: had that, I'll be on my way to follow having
• 46:26
  Speaker 12: a great life.
• 46:28
  Speaker 18: What do you think is going to happen in the
• 46:29
  Speaker 18: next year for you?
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: And I hope it gets better and I can.
• 46:33
  Speaker 12: I just starting to feel like a man, a man
• 46:38
  Speaker 12: instead of a teenage boy, which is what I feel
• 46:40
  Speaker 12: right now, and I set my path forward to, you know,
• 46:45
  Speaker 12: having a good life and everything else.
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: That's what I'm hoping.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: Lee, Josh, and Joey are all home now. They're all free.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: So eight years and four wrongful convictions later, I'm finally
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: done with Floyd County for now anyway. But it's good
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: to be able to go there and visit just for fun.
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: The night that we were lost down there in Rome
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: and we went to Gigoties and it was Mitcham and
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: you and Joey and Josh, and it was nice to
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: know that all y'a are friendly home.
• 47:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it was a good night. It was a good
• 47:24
  Speaker 8: night there.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: Side note, that's also the night that after we were
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: the only ones left in the bar, Ethan Hawk Radley
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: walked in. I think he'd been hoping to get a
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: quiet drink by himself, but instead ended up drinking with
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: a bunch of recent xaneries. Anyways, it was good to
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: catch up with Lee and Josh again, and later on
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: the season we'll do an update with Joey Watkins too,
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: so you can hear how things have been for him.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: But for now, Lee, Josh, and Joey are all continuing
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: the process of rebuilding their lives and doing their best
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: to make up for the years that were taken from them.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: Oh and if there's any want in Atlanta who might
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: have a lead on need jobs that Josh could try
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: applying to, let us know. We'll pass them on to him. Well,
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: I'll be seeing you in a couple of weeks. And
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: New Orleans for the instance comments.
• 48:12
  Speaker 8: Definitely liking forward yet. Yeah, we will be there.
• 48:18
  Speaker 9: I'm glad you're home.
• 48:20
  Speaker 8: I'll feel appreciate it.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: If you'd like to help out, check out our website
• 48:36
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• 48:40
  Speaker 4: to both Josh and Lee's fundraising sites. So that's it
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: for episode nine and Floyd County, Georgia. There's no sidebar
• 48:48
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• 48:50
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• 48:53
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• 48:56
  Speaker 4: mother about why she believes Jake and Tyre innocent, and
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: we'll also hear from a witness whose testimony was critical
• 49:02
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