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Yoga Teacher On the Run After She Stalks, Murders 'Other Woman' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, a gorgeous fugitive yoga teacher
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  Speaker 1: on the run. Where is she? She is suspected of
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  Speaker 1: murdering her love rival. A love triangle ends in murder
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  Speaker 1: according to us marshals, I mean it's grace. This is
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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  Speaker 1: Fox Nation and series XM one eleven. Wow, what a mess.
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  Speaker 1: And now we are finding out that the cops actually
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  Speaker 1: had her in their hand, questioning her about the murder
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  Speaker 1: of a beautiful young world class cyclists. This young woman
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  Speaker 1: was the number one female gravel cyclist in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine trying to drive pedal a bike through
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  Speaker 1: gravel and dirt. Well, this woman, the victim in this case,
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  Speaker 1: Anna Mariah Moe Wilson, just twenty five years old, was
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  Speaker 1: the best in the world. She's dead, multiple gunshot wounds.
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  Speaker 1: And now we learn that this gorgeous yoga teacher, hungry,
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  Speaker 1: seething thinking her boyfriend had cheated on her, kills the
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  Speaker 1: cyclist over what like, there's not gonna be another man
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  Speaker 1: at the next bar and the next twenty five minutes
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  Speaker 1: for you to meet. Seriously, first of all, take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to this Mike Armstrong is shattered. He said his
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  Speaker 1: daughter is not capable of committing the crime she's accused
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  Speaker 1: of murdering a love rival in a fifth of jealous rage.
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  Speaker 1: But there is one thing that he and authorities agree
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  Speaker 1: upon at this point. There are a lot of when
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  Speaker 1: I answer questions, here, we love you, Katie, and we
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  Speaker 1: are going to figure this out this morning, the father
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  Speaker 1: missing murder suspect Kitlyn Armstrong, speaking exclusively with ABC News,
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  Speaker 1: right And I know how she thinks, and I know
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  Speaker 1: what she believes, and I know that she would not
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  Speaker 1: do something like this. I know her. I know her.
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  Speaker 1: He says his daughter is not capable of committing the
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  Speaker 1: crime she's charged with, shooting her alleged traumatic rival, rising
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  Speaker 1: cycling star Ryan Wilson. That is what they believe. I
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  Speaker 1: know that she did not do this. There are a
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  Speaker 1: lot of one to answered questions. You were hearing our
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  Speaker 1: friend Matt Gutman at ABC talking to suspect Kaitla Marie
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  Speaker 1: Armstrong's dad, RV Brandt. RV Brandt RV Brandt, former US
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  Speaker 1: Marshall Service International Investigations Branch, author of Flying Solo IRV.
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  Speaker 1: It actually hurts me when I hear parents so heartbroken
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  Speaker 1: that their child, they see them as a child, like
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  Speaker 1: I see my children as a child, even though they're fourteen,
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  Speaker 1: insisting their child could never have done this thing, not
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  Speaker 1: in a million years, and they really believe at eerv Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: it's true. I mean, homicide devastates both sides of the family.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we always think of the victim's side, of course,
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  Speaker 1: but the family of the perpetrator's side is equally as devastated.
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  Speaker 1: It's you know, they've lost their child also, and they
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  Speaker 1: absolutely go into denial. They can't believe. If their child
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  Speaker 1: can't believe it, I wouldn't believe it either. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: I remember IRV Brandt, author of Flying Solo, Top of
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  Speaker 1: the World. It's on Amazon and you can find them
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  Speaker 1: at IRV Brandt dot com or I've seen it a
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  Speaker 1: million times. And I'll be trying cases in court, typically
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  Speaker 1: homicide cases. I would look over at the defendant family,
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  Speaker 1: usually his mother, the last one standing, and I would
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  Speaker 1: actually want to comfort her. Of course, I was the
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  Speaker 1: last person that that mother would want anything to do with,
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  Speaker 1: so I would wisely keep my distance. But I feel
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  Speaker 1: so bad for them because in their minds, their child,
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  Speaker 1: their adult child is completely innocent and is being persecuted,
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  Speaker 1: but that simply is not what the facts show. Take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Brian May's at KVUE. A
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  Speaker 1: woman accused of killing a professional cyclist in Austin faces
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  Speaker 1: a new charge tonight for fleeing the state of Texas.
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  Speaker 1: Police believe Caitlin Armstrong killed Adam Mariah Wilson in East
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  Speaker 1: Austin in a home back on May eleven. Today, US
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  Speaker 1: Marshals released this video of Armstrong at Austin's airport on
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  Speaker 1: May fourteenth. Investigator she say she flew from Austin to
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  Speaker 1: Houston and then onto New York three days later. They
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  Speaker 1: issued a murder warrant for her, but she's still on
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  Speaker 1: the run tonight today. Austin police also revealed that when
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  Speaker 1: they took Armstrong in for questioning, she had a warrant
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  Speaker 1: for an unrelated misdemeanor charge, but they couldn't arrest her
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  Speaker 1: because the date of birth on the warrant was incorrect.
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  Speaker 1: Investigators say she was quote mistakenly released when they questioned her.
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  Speaker 1: She wasn't facing a murder charge. Is a misdemeanor warrant,
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  Speaker 1: we would not necessarily have been able just to hold her.
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  Speaker 1: She still would have been afforded bond just like everybody else.
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  Speaker 1: She would have been able to post that bond as well.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds to me like a lot of explaining needs to
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  Speaker 1: be done. You got a dead world class cyclist found.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan joining me, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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  Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Starve and
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  Speaker 1: Nive Hit series on iHeart Body Bags of Joe Scott Morgan. Remember,
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  Speaker 1: she was found dead, no defensive wounds, in the bathroom
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  Speaker 1: of this apartment where she was staying. She was there
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  Speaker 1: in Texas strictly for a gravel race. Somebody got into
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  Speaker 1: that place and shot her dead multiple times. They have
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  Speaker 1: the suspect. They're talking to her and they let her go.
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  Speaker 1: And now they're saying, but what, No, Joe Scott, they
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  Speaker 1: ain't gutting it. No, And somebody's rear end's gonna get
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  Speaker 1: chewed out over this as well. And they need to, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they do, because now she's bolted and you know, they
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  Speaker 1: don't have her, they can't put her hands on her
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  Speaker 1: and if she is in fact guilty of what has occurred,
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  Speaker 1: who knows, you know what else she's capable of at this,
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  Speaker 1: at this, Thank you for giving me anohing Gray Mare.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Stephanie Pagodas joining me special guests, joining us today,
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  Speaker 1: Digital reporter, Fox Business and Fox News. You can find
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  Speaker 1: her on Twitter at Stephanie Underscore Pagonas. Stephanie, thanks for
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  Speaker 1: taking a break and joining us. You know what's well,
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  Speaker 1: it's all concerning. It's like a mind twister when you
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  Speaker 1: look at this gorgeous yoga teacher. Her name is Kaitlin
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  Speaker 1: Marie Armstrong. She seemingly has it all. She is beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: she's got this great yoga practice, she is in love
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  Speaker 1: with the boyfriend. Everything's going along, just fine. All of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, this woman seemingly guns down multiple shots to
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  Speaker 1: the torso a love rival who happens to be in town.
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  Speaker 1: What happens, Stephanie Pagonas, that's right, Nancy. Well, so, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this woman has allegedly shown signs of what might be
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  Speaker 1: considered jealousy toward Colin Strickland's relationship with Anna Mariah Wilson.
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  Speaker 1: Strickland insists that, spite a brief relationship in October twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty one, there's kind of turned into a platonic one,
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  Speaker 1: that being Strickland and Wilson. Okay, wait wait wait wait
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  Speaker 1: wait wait wait, we've got the yoga teacher who's on
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  Speaker 1: the run. And how the hey this woman managed to
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  Speaker 1: get out of Texas and where did her flight? Guess
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  Speaker 1: she went from Austin to Houston to New York and hello,
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  Speaker 1: nobody noticed this is a murder fugitive. Nope, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: Stephanie Bigonis. When I go through security at the airport,
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  Speaker 1: they go through my bag, they go through my backpack,
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  Speaker 1: They look at me and typically have to go through
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  Speaker 1: the metal detector, and then they wannd me. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they pat down the whole thing and there I am
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  Speaker 1: with the children. They take out every piece of paper
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  Speaker 1: and look at it in my backpack. But this woman,
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  Speaker 1: a murder fugitive, goes from Austin to Houston to New
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  Speaker 1: York and nobody notices what was that. That's so police
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  Speaker 1: are saying that she was never flagged because the arrest
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  Speaker 1: warrant for her murder was not issued until May seventeenth,
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  Speaker 1: that's three days after she flew from, like you said,
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  Speaker 1: Austin to Houston and then to New York. But police
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  Speaker 1: interviewed her days earlier. I believe on May twelfth. They
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  Speaker 1: had a misdemeanor warrant at the time I believe for
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  Speaker 1: a larceny that stemmed back from twenty eighteen, But they
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  Speaker 1: let her go because there a discrepancy, like you said,
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  Speaker 1: in the dates, So they let her go, and they
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  Speaker 1: said that even with the misdemeanor warrant that likely would
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  Speaker 1: not have would not have prohibited her from flying on
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  Speaker 1: May fourteenth, So she went under the radar. And then
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  Speaker 1: when police ultimately linked it this firearm to her on
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  Speaker 1: May seventeenth, that is when they issued the murder warrants,
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  Speaker 1: was definitely agonis. At the time they questioned her, isn't
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  Speaker 1: it true they had already seen her black suv circling
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  Speaker 1: the victim's house just before the murder, That is correct.
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  Speaker 1: James Shellnutt, twenty seven years Metro major case including Squat
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  Speaker 1: now lawyer and the shell Nutt Law firm. They see
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  Speaker 1: her circling like a vulture in her black suv around
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  Speaker 1: and around. The cyclist guy's a cyclist name. She's also gorgeous.
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  Speaker 1: Mo Wilson. I will refer to her often as the
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  Speaker 1: cyclist Mo, because we've got the cyclist mo. We've got
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  Speaker 1: the boyfriend, Collins Strickland, and we got the yoga teacher
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  Speaker 1: on the run. Her name is Kaitla Marie Armstrong. So
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna go with cyclist, boyfriend, yoga teacher on the run,
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  Speaker 1: James Shellnut. They already had the yoga teacher circling her
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  Speaker 1: like a vulture one minute, okay after before the shootings.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously they knew that when they bring her in for questioning,
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  Speaker 1: they had to already know about the love triangle. But
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  Speaker 1: they still I don't care what they're saying about. She
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  Speaker 1: had an outdated misdemeanor warrant. That's bs they're trying to
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  Speaker 1: see ya cover their rear ends about that misdemeanor warrant.
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  Speaker 1: They let her slip through their fingers. That's what happened, James, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I grew with you one hundred percent, and you know
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  Speaker 1: it's the little things that come back and get you.
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  Speaker 1: They had her, they could have prevented her from escaping.
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  Speaker 1: They could have prevented her from going somewhere else, possibly
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  Speaker 1: purchasing another firearm and rearming herself after she gets off
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  Speaker 1: a flight and maybe encounters law enforcement. There was a
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  Speaker 1: chance to stop it. The system failed, and it failed
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  Speaker 1: because of just the smallest of mistakes, the smallest which
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  Speaker 1: blows up. You're so right about that? How did this
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  Speaker 1: whole thing go down? Take a listen to to take
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  Speaker 1: to Richard Spiller, Austin PD. On twenty twenty two, at
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  Speaker 1: approximately nine fifty six pm, Austin Police officers responded to
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  Speaker 1: a check welfare urgent call at seventeen o eight Maple
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  Speaker 1: Avenue in Austin. Upon their arrival, they found the resident
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  Speaker 1: of seventeen o eight Maple Avenue performing CPR on a female.
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  Speaker 1: That female was Anna Wilson. Despite the life saving efforts,
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  Speaker 1: Anna Wilson was pronounced to cease at ten ten pm.
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  Speaker 1: The preliminary investigation revealed that Anna Wilson, a cyclist, was
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  Speaker 1: visiting Austin and staying with her friend on her way
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  Speaker 1: to the Dallas area for a race. On investigation shows
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  Speaker 1: that before her death, Wilson was in the company of
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  Speaker 1: Colin Strickland. The preliminary investigation revealed that Colin dropped Wilson
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  Speaker 1: off at seventeen o eight Maple Avenue at approximately eight
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  Speaker 1: thirty six pm. Investigators obtained ring camera video from the
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  Speaker 1: neighborhood to capture a vehicle at seventeen o eight Maple
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  Speaker 1: Avenue within two minutes of the time Colin dropped off Wilson.
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  Speaker 1: It was later discovered that vehicle was registered to Colin's girlfriend,
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  Speaker 1: Caitlin Armstrong. Okay, the way that they rattle that off
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  Speaker 1: so quickly, it's kind of hard to take in to
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  Speaker 1: RNYA man Carrius joining Us, CEO of Crime Stoppers of Houston,
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  Speaker 1: author of the online world What You Think You Know
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  Speaker 1: and What You Don't. That's a good title, Anya Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: Could you just break it down. This is my understand
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  Speaker 1: The cyclist Mo was in town for a gravel race.
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  Speaker 1: She's gonna win number one in the world female cyclist,
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  Speaker 1: and she's staying with a friend at an apartment. The
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  Speaker 1: friend gives her a key code to use. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of people do that. It's like your alarm code or
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  Speaker 1: a key code to get in. Instead of an actual key,
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  Speaker 1: you have a digital key. She goes out with her
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  Speaker 1: former boyfriend Colin Strickland. They go swimming. I think they
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  Speaker 1: stop for something to eat, and he drops her off
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  Speaker 1: on a motorcycle. He doesn't even come in. It's a
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  Speaker 1: public swimming pool. To Eddie, that's it. No sex, no
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  Speaker 1: love talk, nothing like that. Now, they had had a brief,
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  Speaker 1: like a two week relationship during a time he was
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  Speaker 1: broken up with the yoga teacher. My understanding is police
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  Speaker 1: believe yoga teacher finds out he is with his former flame,
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  Speaker 1: even though it may be innocent, and goes berserk. That's
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  Speaker 1: my understanding of what happened. What about it ruin you? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's about right. But here's an interesting part. They have
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  Speaker 1: a history of what I would call toxicity in a relationship.
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  Speaker 1: Armstrong has talked to multiple people who have told police
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  Speaker 1: that she was fuming with anger when she found out
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  Speaker 1: about this relationship, shaking with anger, said I will get
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  Speaker 1: a gun, I will I want to kill her. Then
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  Speaker 1: what's following her using social media or technology in this case,
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  Speaker 1: using the Strava app to follow mo and then hunt
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  Speaker 1: her down, gain entry into the place where she's staying
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  Speaker 1: and kill her. And what's so interesting is that you
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  Speaker 1: look at the follow up. Even Colin Strickland when he
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  Speaker 1: returns home, makes all the excuses I was running Erin's
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  Speaker 1: my cell phone diet, I couldn't reach you, And then
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  Speaker 1: if you read the app to day, but it's so
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  Speaker 1: interesting he proceeds to call Armstrong three times within a
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  Speaker 1: really short period of time. And I found that interesting
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  Speaker 1: because to me, it looks like the toxicity existed between
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  Speaker 1: Strickland and Armstrong and Wilson was just an innocent victim
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  Speaker 1: in all of this. So you're saying they already had
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  Speaker 1: this bad relationship because you know, to you, Doctor Sherry Schwartz,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to circle back, anybody, remember this ain't
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  Speaker 1: a tea party at High Grove, jump in. I want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about that Strava str a va app that
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  Speaker 1: you just heard Runnya mccarrios mentioned. But to doctor Sherry Schwartz,
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  Speaker 1: I guess she was angry the yoga teacher because she
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  Speaker 1: finds out her boyfriend, Colin Strickland, had put the cyclist
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  Speaker 1: put Moe's name in his cell phone under a fake name,
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  Speaker 1: and he would lie about where he was going. You know,
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  Speaker 1: when your boyfriend or husband has another woman's name in
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  Speaker 1: his phone under a fake name, that's a problem. Doctor Sherry,
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  Speaker 1: Well that's a big problem. And the thing is most
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  Speaker 1: of us look at something like that and say, well,
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  Speaker 1: why would he stay in a relationship where he feels
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  Speaker 1: he has to do that? And then on the other side,
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  Speaker 1: why does she stay in a relationship with somebody who
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  Speaker 1: is doing that right, because on both sides here there's
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  Speaker 1: a problem. Now, if Caitlin did kill Mariah, then what
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  Speaker 1: we have to look at is this rumination process that
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  Speaker 1: seems to have been at work here, with this obsessive
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  Speaker 1: jealousy where she spends an extraordinary amount of time almost
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  Speaker 1: obsessed with the idea that he's lying and he's seeing her.
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  Speaker 1: And then the vehicle which appears to be very similar
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  Speaker 1: to her showing up near Mariah's house at the time
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  Speaker 1: when she was killed. I mean, let's say think about
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  Speaker 1: it for a minute, Runna mccarios, how many times do
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  Speaker 1: you think the yoga teacher, the one whose father insists
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  Speaker 1: that she's innocent, Caitlin Marie Armstrong, how many times do
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  Speaker 1: you think she got her boyfriend's cell phone when he
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  Speaker 1: was asleep and would just go through it and go
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  Speaker 1: through it, look at all the texts, look at the
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  Speaker 1: contacts to figure out she knew something was going on,
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  Speaker 1: but she didn't know what it was. Don't you know
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  Speaker 1: that drove her crazy? Runya absolutely, And we also know
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  Speaker 1: that she made multiple calls to the cyclist, multiple calls
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  Speaker 1: to the point that Wilson had to block her number.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a hunt. It's a predatory hunt. She was
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  Speaker 1: hiding her like a funny rabbit. Absolutely, you can tell
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  Speaker 1: me about Strava app. Anybody on the palel know about
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  Speaker 1: Strava s t r A v A. Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'll quickly jump in. It's an online cycling app. Cyclists
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  Speaker 1: use the app track where they take off from, how
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  Speaker 1: long they've ridden their bikes. They map out their course
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  Speaker 1: and then show when and where they return. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's another danger with social media and connectivity today because
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  Speaker 1: you're letting your audience know, your community know exactly where
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  Speaker 1: you are in real time, not taking into account that
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  Speaker 1: some of the people following you on the app, as
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  Speaker 1: in this case, may not have your best interest at heart.
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  Speaker 1: And of course we see so many people using technology
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  Speaker 1: in this way, and unfortunately we also see it turn deadly. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our friend,
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  Speaker 1: Detective Richard spill Austin p D. Take a listen what
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  Speaker 1: he says about how the yoga teacher responded when she
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  Speaker 1: was first questioned. Listen the Awesome Police Department's tack Until
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  Speaker 1: Unit located Collin at his residence and he agreed to
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  Speaker 1: an interview. The Awesome Police Department is aware that the
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  Speaker 1: ring camera video was released. The Awesome Police Department did
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  Speaker 1: not release that video and will not release any footage
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  Speaker 1: to protect the investigations integrity members of attack until unit
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  Speaker 1: located Armstrong and she was arrested for a missametor warrant
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  Speaker 1: issued out of Travis County. Armstrong was transported to the
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  Speaker 1: main police station and interview. Armstrong was questioned about her
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  Speaker 1: vehicle being in the area as pictured on the ring camera. However,
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  Speaker 1: she would not confirm or deny being in the area
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  Speaker 1: of the murder and quickly terminated the interview. Quickly terminated
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  Speaker 1: the interview. James shell nutt, I bet she did quickly
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  Speaker 1: terminate the interview. Oh, I bet she was ready to
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  Speaker 1: get out of there. And I bet she's thinking her
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  Speaker 1: lucky stars where she all tell that police department. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you look at this, It makes morder whatever happened to
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  Speaker 1: investigative Hole. I mean, you have a substantial amount of
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  Speaker 1: evidence right there in Granted they didn't have everything that
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  Speaker 1: they have now, but could you not go back and
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  Speaker 1: double checked this warrant? They said that they had the
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  Speaker 1: wrong dB on it and therefore were no good. Are
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  Speaker 1: you serious? That is what we call under the law,
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  Speaker 1: a technical error, and it will not the viability of
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  Speaker 1: the warrant. It's an example like, say, I want to
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  Speaker 1: arrest Stephanie Pigonis. I've got a search warrant. I see
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  Speaker 1: her at the scene of the crime. She can't give
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  Speaker 1: me an excuse. I know she's got a motive, her
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  Speaker 1: car is right there, but uh oh, I misspelled her name.
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  Speaker 1: I put t S instead of st for Stephanie. That
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean the warrants no good. But they said they
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  Speaker 1: had the d OB wrong day of birth, so the
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  Speaker 1: warrant was no good. WHOA what a mess? Time stories
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Greece. Hey, you know Stephanie Pigonis. Now that
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I've cast you as my next killer, why would call it?
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Strickland get together with mo to start with, he knew
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: it was going to cause trouble with his girlfriend, the
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: yoga teacher. Why do it? Well? Where did they go?
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: He even went as far as deleting text messages that
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: he had between her. But on that night, the night
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: that she was murdered earlier that day, they went swimming
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: at the deep Eddie pool like you said, and then
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: they went out to eat. They took Colin's motorcycle to
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: do so, and he dropped her off at the home
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: and then he left. He did not go inside. He
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: dropped her off and he pulled away. And then just
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: a minute later you can see the dark colored suv
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: matching the description of Armstrong's vehicle pulling up. So right
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: after he leaves, Stephanie mganns, he takes off on his motorcycle.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Then she the yoga teacher, pulls in. That's correct, you
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: can see, I believe, just a minute later, but definitely
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: within two minutes you can see the vehicle pull up.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: And this Strava app str a VA that Ronyan mccarrius
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: is telling us about. She's the CEO of Crime Stoppers
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: of Houston and an author, Stephanie. The Strava app is
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: thing a lot of cyclists to use, and it's for
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: their fans and it shows where you're going, like if
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: you're going to take a bi cry, you pinpoint it
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: and people can follow your progress. That's the way I
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: understand the app. Yes, and I'm not as familiar with
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the app, but I can say that Strickland and Wilson
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: did see each other frequently at races. Like you said,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Wilson was absolutely leading the pack in turn of her
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: career with cycling, and Strickland has said quite frankly that Armstrong,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: while she did participate in these bike races, she was
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: not near the level of Wilson and Strickland, and she
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: actually was more just a participant than she was ever
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: a competitive racer. You know what I bet, Sherry Schwartz,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I bet the yoga teacher would just tag along to
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: get those bicycle races where her boyfriend Strickland was pretty
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: good and Mo Wilson was world class number one, so
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: she could watch watch over what he was doing and
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: keep an eye on him at those bike races because
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: she knew I would be there, no doubt. And I
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: felt like I read somewhere at the beginning of this
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: case that Strickland may have told Armstrong because she was
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: trying to cycle as well, and he told her that
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: she sort of held him back because she wasn't at
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: that level. Boyfriend, tails girlfriend, yoga teacher, you know what,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: you don't need to come to the race. You're holding
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: me back? Are you serious? Exactly? All talk about pouring
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: gas on the flame. That's exactly what happened. What jumping
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I have to jump in and just think as any
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: woman would you know this. But he's a boyfriend, he's
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: a business partner she had obviously they have a very
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: possessive relationship. She's found out that he's had an on again,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: off again relationship with this woman who's been dubbed the
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: winningest woman in America. This is this is Moe. Chief
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: finds out that her boyfriend's been talking to her, deleting
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: text messages, changing her name on the cell phone, and
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: then he also pins her the You know, Mo as
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: just an esteemed colleague, somebody that he respects in his
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: taking off in this field, whereas she, the girlfriend, the
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: business partner, is just baggage, is just somebody that tags
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: along and weighs them all down. Can you imagine the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: hatred that she is brewing within her towards towards the cyclist.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I mean you can see it as clear as day. Motive, anger, aggression.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Now she has a weapon, she has the ability to
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: pull it off. She can pen her location and time precisely.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Her prey is there for the taking, and you know
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Stephanie Vagona's fallowing up on what she just said. And
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: you know, everybody shell not Schwartz, Brandt, Morgan, everybody jump in.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine she's got her boyfriend. He's lying to
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: her face about where he is at that moment and
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: who he's with. She's following them on the motor side.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: She sees them first cycle. She sees him drop off
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Mo the cyclist and take off, and then she pulls
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: right in and she's looking at his b S text
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: about where he is. Is my understanding of the facts, Stephanie.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: That must have just driven her over the edge. And
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: not only that, but she appeared to be so angry
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: with the situation that she even went as far as
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: rolling her eyes and appearing angry during her interview with police.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: You know, while she was guarded and completely still, she
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: clearly wasn't guarded enough because she appeared angry while police
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: were asking her questions about how Colin had seen Mo
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: the day that she was murdered. So where is she now?
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: This woman is no idiot. If she went from Austin
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: to Houston to New York, LaGuardia. You ever been in LaGuardia, Oh,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Golly LaGuardia and JFK. It's like this with people, you
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: can get lost and just disappear. And the fact that
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: she's going north indicates to me that she's obviously not
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: going to Mexico to high that maybe she's going to
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Canada somewhere where she can disappear and maybe in a
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: big metropolitan area and never be seen again unless she
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: backtracks back. Because a lot of witnesses are afraid she's
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: going to come back and kill them. They're insisting that
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: they remain anonymous. Witnesses and tipsters to police. They're afraid
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: of this woman. How in the world is she alluding?
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: US Marshals and Texas Rangers. Listen to our friends at
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Fox seven. Armstrong has not been seen since May thirteenth.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: She's also deleted all her social media accounts, according to
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: anonymous tips to APDs homicide Unit. Wilson died on May
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: eleventh in an East Austin apartment. Her friend that she
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: was staying with found her bleeding and unconscious upon returning home.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Police say she suffered from multiple gunshot wounds. Wilson traveled
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: to Austin for the Gravel Locos Race, where she was
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: favored to win earlier this month. A few weeks before that,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: she also won another competition out in California. She and
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Armstrong both had romantic relationships with the same man, Colin Strickland,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: another professional cyclist. The day of Wilson's death, she and
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Strickland went to Deep Betty's pool and ate dinner together.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: The two had a week long relationship last fall, and
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: that's while he was on a break from his relationship
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: with Armstrong. Detectives believe that video shows Armstrong's suv pulling
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: up to the home Wilson was staying in just one
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: minute after Strickland dropped her off. When Armstrong was confronted
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: with the video of the vehicle, detectives wrote, quote, she
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: had no explanation as to why it was in the
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: area and did not make any denials. Wow, okay, So
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: to you or brand former US Marshal Service International Investigation
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: is Branch author a flying solo Top of the World.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: It's on Amazon and find him at er Brant dot
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: com IRV. How in the world has this yoga teacher
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: managed to outsmart Texas Ranger, the Austin PD and now
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the US Marshals. Well, she's outsmart at him for right now,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: but not for long. Casey and Vicky White outsmart at
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: him for a little while. Didn't work out well for
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: them either or brand. When you say Casey and Vicky White,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: you're talking about the employee of the year, Vicky White,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: the jailer that helped the killer, the confessed killer, Casey
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: White escape, They go on the run, Vicky White ends
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: up shooting herself. Then you know what, You're right, They
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: did outsmart everybody for a minute. Okay, go ahead, and
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: this is going to be the case with the yoga teacher.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: She took a flight from the hobby to get on
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: a Southwest Airline flight to Mcgwardia. And like you said, possible,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: she could have went to Canada. I think it's more
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: likely she didn't leave the airport, I mean and just
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: walk to the counter. There's air France, there's British Airways,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: there's Kalem and she left the country. But if that's
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: the case, the US Marshall Service, through interpoll, they'll track
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: her down. They'll bring her back. You think so now
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: she's smart enough to delete all of her social media.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: She's flying under the radar. Joe Scott I guarantee you
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: that somehow she's got her mits on and burn her phone.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: She's not using her cell phone anymore, she's not probably
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: not using her credit cards. But how much money could
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: she have stockpiled as a yoga teacher, Joe Scott, let's
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: think this thing through. Yeah, I know. And that's one
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: fascinating aspect of this. There is CCTV freeze frame images
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: of her, and I find this kind of I'm looking
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: right at them. Yeah, I find this kind of interesting. Nancy,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: she was actually seen in line and get this holding
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: her rolled up yoga mat at it. Yeah, And I'm thinking,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: you know, to Earth's point, I think this is you know,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not a behaviorist, but this idea that people don't
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: really change from their previous behaviors. They can for a
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: little bit maybe, but you know they're gonna slip back in.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: You know. I gotta tell you, if if I was
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: being hunted for a capital homicide, which this is, I think,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I think the last thing I'd
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: be thinking about is picking up my barbels or picking
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: up my yoga mat or whatever and hauling that with me.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: But it's apparently very important to her. Hey, you know what,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: hold on. You just gave me a thought, and I
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: hear what you said. You're saying. You're saying that people
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: don't change their behavior. Got it crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: If I was known as the yoga teacher, that's what
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: we're calling her, I wouldn't have my yoga mat strapped
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: on my back like she does. But also she has
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: not changed her appearance. Her hair long blonde, curly hair.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: She hasn't cut it, she hasn't dyed it. She's wearing
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the same thing in both photos. I would think to
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: take an international flight, she might have to get over
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: to JFK. I would be immediately looking for you know,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: when you're in an uber or a lyft or I
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: guess even a cab. Now in New York, they got
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: a video on you, I would be looking for that.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: But I'm very surprised that they haven't been able to
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: try where she went from there. So everybody jump in
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: how is she doing it? And another question off topic,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Dotta Sherry Schwartz really all this over one guy? Well,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I don't understand it, but we know that when somebody
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: has pathological obsessive jealousy like this and get so caught
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: up that they can't put that out of their mind
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: that sometimes they do resort to violence. So and honestly, Nancy,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: it's not probably just about the guy. It probably is
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: very much about her and how it made her feel,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: and the fact that this maybe embarrassed her made her angry.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: So it's less about him and more about why not
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: kill him. I'm not suggesting that anybody kill him. I'm precurious. Well,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: and that's the question, why not, right, Because clearly in
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: her mind she thinks this is love, right, this is love.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: She loves him, and she sees him as her property,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: hence following him. And from what the police allege that
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: she is the perpetrator, right, that she is the perpetrator
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: who killed Mariah so in that vein, when you look
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: at it that way, she may see arms Colin Strickland
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: as her property. He's mine. And you know, I don't
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: want to put any there's no blame on Strickland, the boyfriend,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: or the victim. But the last thing I would want
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: to you run out, mccarrius, is to dredge up some
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: old boyfriend that I know would anger my husband. That's
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: the last thing I want to do I don't want
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: to have lunch, I don't want to have coffee. I
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: don't want to even have a long phone conversation. No, No,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: that ship has sailed. I don't get it. What was
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: his thinking? Why would he want to go swimming and
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: have dinner with the woman he knows will incite his girlfriend. Yeah,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: and he clearly does know that, because he's taken great
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: length to hide his communication with Mariah Wilson. But here's
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: the deal. He you know, I don't know him, And
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: again I'm just looking at the facts here. He said
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: they had a romantic relationship for two weeks, it turned
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: clearly platonic, that she was one of the most respected
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: colleagues in what he called a very lonely sport. And
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I think he was putting himself above everybody else. You know,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: when you tell somebody not to do something, they'll dig
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: in their heels and do it anyway. It may have
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: just been a knee jerk reaction to being controlled, but
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's knee jerk in the sense that
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: it seems very calculated, very planned. I mean, they've been
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: talking to arrange this time together in Austin, him hiding
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: all that communication and if he's in a relationship, a
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: committed relationship with Armstrong, they have a business together, She's
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: worth the conversation. You know, listen, you think that this
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: relationship is it's just a friend, Come with me. There's
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: nothing to hide, you know. This is a lonely sport.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I'm helping build Moe's career. He was helping her get
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: sponsorships at the time. If he's committed to Armstrong, it's
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: worth the uncomfortable, difficult conversation and it's worth respecting her,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: all right. Take a listen to this our cut twenty
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: from our friends at crime online dot Com. Colin Strickland
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: picked Anna Wilson up for their swim date on his motorcycle.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: The pair spent time at the City of Austin's Deep
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Betty Pool, then walked to Poolburger to eat. Afterwards, he
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: drove Wilson back to her friends home, but didn't go inside.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: On the way home, Strickland stopped to text Armstrong at
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: eight thirty six pm. His text message said, hey, are
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: you out? Went to drop some flowers for Alison at
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: herson's house up north and my phone died heading home.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Unless you have another food suggestion, Strickland lied to his girlfriend.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Strickland arrived home around eight forty three pm and sent
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Armstrong another text and headed to the garage to work
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: on his bicycles to prepare for an upcoming race. He
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: sent another text message to Armstrong at nine twenty one,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: and not long after, Arstrong arrived home driving a twenty
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: twelve to Grand Cherokee with a large bicycle rack mounted
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: on the trailer hitch, a luggage rack mounted on the roof,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: and chrome around the windows. According to Strickland, Armstrong was
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: the only person to drive that vehicle, and we know
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: that witnesses are afraid. They are actually afraid. The yoga teacher,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Caitlin Armstrong is now going to come after them. Take
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: us to our cut twenty two from cry Online. Two
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: days after Anna Wilson's murder, police contacted one of Wilson's friends,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: who remains anonymous, to prevent being targeted by Armstrong. According
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: to their friend, Armstrong discovered Wilson's phone number and contacted
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: the cyclist several times, warning her to stay away from Strickland. Ultimately,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Wilson blocked Armstrong's phone number. The friend tells police that
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Armstrong began following Wilson on Instagram, feeding into Armstrong's jealousy.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Police say Colin Strickland had bragged on Wilson's talent on
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: a bicycle and had told us girlfriend that training with
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Armstrong was holding him back. He was constantly having to
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: stop and wait for Armstrong to catch up. Three days
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: after the murder, police get an anonymous call. The caller
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: tells police that Armstrong had discovered Strickland was having a
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: romantic relationship with Wilson, and that made Armstrong furious to
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: the point that she said she wanted to kill Wilson.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Oh how they let her slip through their fingers, I
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: don't know, but I want you to hear what we're
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: learning from the US Marshals. Take a listen to our
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: cut thirty four our friends at CBS Austin, Deputy US
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Marshal Brandon Felis says on May twelfth, Armstrong was brought
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: in for questioning, but APD wasn't able to give profitable
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: costs until May seventeenth, when she spoke with a homicide detective.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: She couldn't explain why her SUV was in the area,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: if she thought or she knew she was going to
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: be wanted for this. She probably had a five day
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: head start the Affadavid states Armstrong contacted Wilson asking her
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: not to speak with Colin Strickland. Strickland tells police she
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: made statements expressing a desire to kill Wilson. Investigators say
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Armstrong was the only person with access to the gun
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: used in the crime, which was bought by Strickland. Law
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: officials are now asking for the public's help to find her.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Kaylin is driving a black Jeep Grand Cherokee with the
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Texas license plate LDZ five six zero eight. That vehicle
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: is registered to Caitlyn Armstrong and that vehicle is still
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: outstanding and has not been located. And we strongly believe
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: that Caitlin is still using that Geep for her primary
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: transportation and her rest warrant for Kaylin Armstrong has been
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: issued on a charge of first degree murdering. Okay, rapid fire,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: tell me where you think she is and how she's
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: getting away with it. I say she's gone to New
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: York and tried to cross over the Canada border. Or
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: she's in the New York metropolitan area trying to figure
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: out her next move. Okay, RNYA men carry US joining
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: US from Crime Star Operas Houston. Where is she? I
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: actually think she went to Europe. I think she went
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: as far as possible, as far away as possible. James Shelna,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: twenty seven years Metro major case. Where is she? I
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: think she possibly went to Canada. You know, Canada has
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: a treaty or a rule of law that says that
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: there's no extradition back to the United States if the
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: death penalty is on the table. I think Dotna Sherry Schwartz,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: what's she thinking? Where'd she go? I thought the same thing,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Europe or Canada, somewhere where they won't extradate when the
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: death penalty is on the table. Or Brandt, you're the
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: specialist former US Marshal Service. Where is she? Okay? I'll
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: take a shot at it. She's in the yoga studio
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: in Barcelona. I love you, okay. Jeff Scott Morgan. I'm
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: thinking she's still in the New York metro area. That's
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: you know, Canada is off the table. It's a horrible
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: place to try to get into Canada. You'd fly to Detroit,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: be a lot easier to do that. If she hopped
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: an international flight, she should pop up on customs or
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: on State Department's radar as well. I think she's in
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: a car and she's visiting Niagara Falls yoga studio as
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: we speak right now. Okay, Stephanie Pagonas, you're the one
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: closest to the case. What do you think. I think
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: she got the heck out of New York City. There
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: are too many cameras there. I live here in New
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: York City. I mean they are everywhere. I think she
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: got the heck out of the city, but I think
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: she's still in the United States. I think she's in
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: a suburban area, laying low and probably doing some yoga.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: But I don't think she fled the country. We wait
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: as justice unfals Nancy Grace kind of story, signing off,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: goodbye friend.