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Senior Moments: The Land of Cleve · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Something you may remember from the good old day. I
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  Speaker 1: feel so you're old. Headed to the land of Cleave.
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  Speaker 1: Time for senior Moments. Bryan Sexton, along with senior writer
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  Speaker 1: John Ozier Joe Forgnado, is bantering about somewhere in the studio,
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  Speaker 1: in the vast confines of this enormous studio. Hello Joe, Joe, Joe.
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  Speaker 1: Senior moments as we get set to head to Cleveland
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  Speaker 1: the O and nine Browns, And of course you're hearing
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  Speaker 1: about a trap game. I'll be honest with you, I
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  Speaker 1: don't see how this could possibly be a trap game
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  Speaker 1: for a team that had to scrape to get out
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  Speaker 1: of their game against the Chargers, and all you have
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  Speaker 1: to do is turn on the tape to see the
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  Speaker 1: Browns haven't quit. Watch what they did against the lines.
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  Speaker 1: They may not be very good, but they're not laying down. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's absolutely not a trap game because A I don't
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  Speaker 1: think the Jaguars have one enough to slip into that
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  Speaker 1: over good mode. And I do get a feeling that
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  Speaker 1: this team is still at a stage, meaning the Jaguars,
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  Speaker 1: where they're still sort of excited about seeing how good
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  Speaker 1: they can be, sort of thing. I think the defense
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  Speaker 1: goes into every game wanting shut out, they want to dominate,
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  Speaker 1: they want to be able to talk. That's sort of
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  Speaker 1: so I don't think they'll have a letdown per se,
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  Speaker 1: but I do think it's a very dangerous game. More
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  Speaker 1: dangerous and that's not just coach speak. It's you're talking
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  Speaker 1: about a game where whether it could be a factors
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  Speaker 1: which is usually an equalizer degrees and wins north of
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  Speaker 1: twenty five moms. So all of a sudden, you start thinking, okay,
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  Speaker 1: lower scoring than normal. As you said, a team that
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  Speaker 1: hasn't given up. The Jaguars are and should be and
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  Speaker 1: have earned the favorites role. But if you get a
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  Speaker 1: situation like the Jets where a couple of quirky things
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  Speaker 1: go the other way early. That's how Cleveland stayed in
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  Speaker 1: at the other day against the Alliance and Allions got
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  Speaker 1: back on top and eventually pulled away in that game
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  Speaker 1: because they have explosive things happening on offense. Well, Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: don't really have that right now. So the Jaguars for
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  Speaker 1: them to feel safe in this game, they need to
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  Speaker 1: get up early and they need to eliminate the quirky
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  Speaker 1: stuff that can keep unfavored teams in it. See, this
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  Speaker 1: feels like a muscle up game to me, because if
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  Speaker 1: the wind is really that strong, throwing the ball is
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  Speaker 1: going to be a major challenge. I mean to be
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  Speaker 1: a major challenge if you lined up with all Sean
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey and Dez Bryant. I mean, it's just it's not
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  Speaker 1: that easy to do. And with this receiver corps, it's
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  Speaker 1: a challenge if it's perfectly because they're hurt well, and
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  Speaker 1: the offensive line is hurt too. I mean, Parnell is
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  Speaker 1: not expected to practice on Wednesday. Neither is Patrick. Oh
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  Speaker 1: mom a uh, you know, burns out. But you've gotta
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  Speaker 1: be able to run the football this week. It's never
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  Speaker 1: been more paramount. And you know, the Browns don't do
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  Speaker 1: a lot well, but they do play well up front.
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  Speaker 1: Danny Shelton is a load. I'm not sure how much
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  Speaker 1: Jamie Collins injury in packs their run defense. Although he's
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  Speaker 1: a terrific player, he's gone for the year. The Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: ability to run in these conditions will dictate their ability
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  Speaker 1: to score, and they have struggled to run in the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of games when for Net has been active.
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  Speaker 1: Because they've struggled to run against that all out in
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  Speaker 1: the box deal. One of my themes this week, Brian
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  Speaker 1: is I think the Jaguars are going to need a
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  Speaker 1: big play per half out of Blake boards in the
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  Speaker 1: passing game the rest of the season. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be their formula. You saw it the other day.
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  Speaker 1: You have struggle to run, struggle to run. They had
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  Speaker 1: five passes in that game. Uh one of them worked,
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  Speaker 1: meaning five deep passes that were close. Couple of them
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  Speaker 1: skim They had Keelan Cole running open once and they
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  Speaker 1: hit healing once. Blake's thowing that ball pretty well right now.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think he was more accurate in the
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  Speaker 1: deep ball than he has been. He had two bad
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  Speaker 1: passes last week, Let's be honest. They've But I think
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  Speaker 1: it's for the Jaguars, which is a scary formula. Offensively,
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  Speaker 1: I think they're gonna need to hit those big plays.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes you hit him, sometimes you don't. Sometimes you eat
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  Speaker 1: the bear, sometimes the barr eat you. We'll see what
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  Speaker 1: that does in Sunday in Cleveland again, the weather condition
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  Speaker 1: is supposed to be horrific. By the way, I just
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  Speaker 1: gotta throw this out there. I don't want to see
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  Speaker 1: guys standing next to the jets, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: see him trying to get warm, but because you want
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  Speaker 1: to be there, I'm on the sideline now, Folks Europe
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  Speaker 1: in the press box, I and and so from my perspective,
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  Speaker 1: I need easy access to that. I'm a forty nine
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  Speaker 1: year old man. Those are young kids playing. You can
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  Speaker 1: stay warm. But it's something that a wise old man
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  Speaker 1: used to say, is what you don't want to the
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  Speaker 1: players huddled around. The opponent looks and sees you know,
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  Speaker 1: Cleveland plays in that stuff, and they see you over
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  Speaker 1: there huddled around, and they know. We get these guys
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  Speaker 1: to the fourth quarter, they're gonna be looking at the
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  Speaker 1: clock and they're gonna be wondering how long until they
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  Speaker 1: get to leave. You gotta put all that behind you
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  Speaker 1: and just focus on the game. Don't worry about getting
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  Speaker 1: the code on, don't worry about it. Shut it out
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  Speaker 1: of your mind. Yeah, I'll bet still see some of it. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And they got to play through it, yeah, playing and
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  Speaker 1: simply have to play through it. So Jags are six
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  Speaker 1: and three, first place tie. The question is how high
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  Speaker 1: can they climb in the playoff rankings In terms of
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  Speaker 1: now and I'm talking about power rankings, folks, that's just
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  Speaker 1: for fun. I'm talking about can they work their way
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  Speaker 1: to one or two? Could they if the schedule favorite
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  Speaker 1: favors them, and I think it does, could they get
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  Speaker 1: to the number two seed and have a first round
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  Speaker 1: by Well, I can't imagine that that's something that they're
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  Speaker 1: talking about, first of all, but I'm interested. I would
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  Speaker 1: think someone on the lines right now, the way this
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  Speaker 1: defense is playing, and the way the schedule lays out,
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  Speaker 1: and the way they believe, uh, they ought to be
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  Speaker 1: somewhere having that as a goal. Because you've got seven games,
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  Speaker 1: five of them are against teams with what appears to
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  Speaker 1: be deficiencies on offense. Well, that plays into what this
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  Speaker 1: team does. So you're gonna be favorite, I would I
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  Speaker 1: would guess five times. Maybe not favorite at Arizona because
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  Speaker 1: of the trip or whatever, but it's not a game
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  Speaker 1: that you can't win. Uh. And again Colts Texans uh.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm drawing a blank on the other one. Nobody
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  Speaker 1: assumes wins. But if if you get those, you're ware
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  Speaker 1: you already eleven or you get those five year eleven right, Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's probably not enough for a first round. Boy, it's
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  Speaker 1: not unless one of those wins is over the Titans
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the year and you win the division.
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  Speaker 1: It's not enough. But that's why can't they beat the
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  Speaker 1: Seahawks here? Why can't they beat the Titans here? I'd
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  Speaker 1: be surprised if they're not in their games, is my point.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go through the list real quick. So I'm just
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  Speaker 1: gonna look at it from the perspective of quarterbacks, which
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  Speaker 1: is your arena in particular. So you say, well, can
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  Speaker 1: you beat de Shaan Kaiser? Yeah? Can you beat Drew
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  Speaker 1: Stanton or Blaine Gabbert? Sure? Can you beat Jacoby Brisider,
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  Speaker 1: Scott Tolziner? Can you beat Russell Wilson? I didn't say
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  Speaker 1: will you? I said can you? That's the toughie obviously
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  Speaker 1: because he's so savvy. But can they Okay? All right,
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  Speaker 1: so that's still love. He's the one guy on that
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  Speaker 1: list though so far that can beat you if you
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  Speaker 1: have a better team than he does. Okay, makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: C J. Bethard, he can't do that. Uh, Marcus Mariota?
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  Speaker 1: Can you? Can you beat Marcus Mariota? You can? He
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  Speaker 1: can also do what Wilson can do. I don't I
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  Speaker 1: don't put him in that class yet, but he can
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  Speaker 1: beat you if his team's not. But you get my point.
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  Speaker 1: When you look at the line up there and you
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  Speaker 1: see what's left, you think, well, yeah, yeah, if they
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  Speaker 1: can play consistent football and keep winning, they can get
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  Speaker 1: into that conversation. Now, there were some your top question
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  Speaker 1: on this, on this how can think? How high can
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  Speaker 1: they think? I can make a confession. Yeah, I looked
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  Speaker 1: at the Patriots schedule this week, and I looked at
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  Speaker 1: the Steelo schedule this okay, so you can tell me
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  Speaker 1: based on the confession there is actually look at yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're thinking about it. It crossed my mind because you
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  Speaker 1: look at it. There one game in back of those teams. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: they have a schedule that they have a win over
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  Speaker 1: the Steelers, by the ways, which is big. So you
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  Speaker 1: start looking at it. The Raiders and the and the
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  Speaker 1: Patriots play this week in Mexico City. The gut when
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  Speaker 1: you first think about it is, wow, the Patriots can
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  Speaker 1: put the Raiders out of this. But are you maybe
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  Speaker 1: pulling for the Raiders the Jaguars fan, you absolutely are. Well.
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  Speaker 1: The other school of thought is if the Raiders lose
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  Speaker 1: a couple more than they're out and you're probably in.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's sort of the thing you know about
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  Speaker 1: wild card there, because the Raiders are dangerous and they
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  Speaker 1: could easily be the six wild card. But if you
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  Speaker 1: look at your schedule as a Jaguars fan and you're
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  Speaker 1: thinking about opportunities, you're trying to pull the top of
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  Speaker 1: the af C closer to you, not push the bottom
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  Speaker 1: of it away as much. Well, there's I guess I'm
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  Speaker 1: more conservative in nature. I always want to guarantee, I
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  Speaker 1: want to get in, so I would there would be
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  Speaker 1: part of you that would like the Raiders at four
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  Speaker 1: and six, at seven and three. If you're thinking big, right,
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  Speaker 1: if you're thinking about two, but I think small, But
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking big, And that's this question. I'm thinking big.
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  Speaker 1: If you're thinking big, you already have the division titles,
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  Speaker 1: so you're not worried about the Raiders or the Bills.
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  Speaker 1: The answer to the question is the next two weeks, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: are going to decide how legitimate this conversation is. But
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  Speaker 1: Brown's winnable, Arizona winnable. Uh, you get to eight and three,
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  Speaker 1: which is what they would be, then uh, you're darn right.
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  Speaker 1: You should be thinking about seating see. And I know
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  Speaker 1: that there's some Jaguars fans that are listening to this
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  Speaker 1: thinking that we're a couple of drunken sailors all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, WHOA six wins for the first times there's
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and ten. But you can't think that way.
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  Speaker 1: You have to look at the schedule at twelve thirty,
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  Speaker 1: but maybe around six thirty. You gotta look at the schedule.
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  Speaker 1: I don't tell you, um. You got to look at
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  Speaker 1: the schedule and see what's possible and see what's there. Again,
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  Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. Can the Jaguars beat
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  Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger? Yes? Can the Jaguars beat Tom Brady? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: They can because pass rush, Yes, because they have a
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  Speaker 1: defense for it right, because they can disrupt. And you
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  Speaker 1: can beat the Patriots because their defense isn't very good.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the big point of this segment. In the last
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  Speaker 1: nine weeks, the hopes, focus conversation around this team has
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  Speaker 1: changed dramatically. This is the outer edge of that change.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we do here. We push on It's there's
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  Speaker 1: no reason that you shouldn't be in this conversation right now. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: considering you just got through what appears to be a
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  Speaker 1: brutally tough matchup in San Diego. Sunday's win over San
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  Speaker 1: Diego is the kind of game that gets you into
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  Speaker 1: this conversation, you know, And wouldn't the folks in Los Angeles,
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  Speaker 1: if you will, Ah, John, it isn't that easy, is it?
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  Speaker 1: It just it isn't that easy. The folks in Cleveland,
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  Speaker 1: the fans in Cleveland, would love to be having this
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  Speaker 1: kind of conversation. Let's be honest. I've said to you
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  Speaker 1: the last two years. Just get us to to Thanksgiving
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  Speaker 1: where we're talking about playoffs scenarios and it becomes fun again.
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  Speaker 1: Let alone the fact that the scenarios all seem to
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  Speaker 1: work in your favor. It's fun in Jacksonville, It's not
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  Speaker 1: fun in Cleveland. Remember the off season when all I
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  Speaker 1: talked about this team has to get out of the abyss, Well,
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  Speaker 1: they store them down to the abyss. All of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: there you know, if they lose their next seven, you know, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: there's six and ten. You know, it's been a remarkable turnaround.
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  Speaker 1: And I know where you're going next. How did it happen?
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  Speaker 1: An unbelievable offseason has led to this, And I'll set
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  Speaker 1: up your question, Well, the question is is it the
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  Speaker 1: way that you build a team today? Aman who's followed
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  Speaker 1: this league knows the Browns are trying to do it
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  Speaker 1: the same way the Jaguars tried to do it, which
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  Speaker 1: is tear it down to the studs, tear down to
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  Speaker 1: the nub and then build through the draft. And it's
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  Speaker 1: a very idealistic, uh, you know, white board approach. It
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  Speaker 1: looks fantastic on paper. We're gonna build through the draft.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna have all these young guys mature. They're gonna
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  Speaker 1: mature at the same time. Uh. And that was the
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  Speaker 1: plan here with some with some free agency to supplement it. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's really been free agency built on defense. I mean
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  Speaker 1: there there's Jalen, there's Telvin, there's Miles jack Dan. So
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  Speaker 1: it's there, but more accurately would be described as an
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  Speaker 1: absolute perfect storm. I mean, all of a sudden, you've
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  Speaker 1: got Calais Campbell, You've got Buried Church. Who are these
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  Speaker 1: these core leadership type veterans. Well most contending teams, those
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  Speaker 1: guys are six and seven and eight year guys who
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  Speaker 1: have been with you forever. Luke Keikley, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: sort of a defining guy for Carolina's defense. He's been
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  Speaker 1: with him since eleven. Well, Klais feels like that, doesn't
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  Speaker 1: He feels like Clais has been here since nive you know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's the guy who's the voice to face.
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  Speaker 1: Barry Church doesn't get quite as much pub but among
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  Speaker 1: the secondary he's that guy. When you walk over to
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  Speaker 1: Bury Church and talk to him, it's like he's been
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  Speaker 1: around here since the nineties. He's the voice of reason,
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  Speaker 1: the the old man, the guy that other people come to.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to get that through free agency. That's what
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  Speaker 1: the Browns lack right now. They are young. They make
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  Speaker 1: mistakes that give you the game. They do things the
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars have done the last three or four years. The
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars are out of that abyss, I think because they
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  Speaker 1: have more guys who they can depend on like that.
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  Speaker 1: What you wonder if you're the Browns is can they
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  Speaker 1: find that perfect storm that the Jaguars found this offseason.
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  Speaker 1: It takes a little luck, you know. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that the Jaguars plan of two thousand and twelve and
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  Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen, fourteen or fourteen more accurately is going
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  Speaker 1: to be something the league can follow, because we've seen
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  Speaker 1: it this year that you have to have veteran experience
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  Speaker 1: to make it work. Right now, that's the Browns efficiently.
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  Speaker 1: They don't have that, and I think it's worth pointing out.
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  Speaker 1: So when you dive into free agency, there's obviously hits
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  Speaker 1: and missus, right. I mean the Jaguars missed wildly on
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  Speaker 1: Jared Odrick and Julius Thomas. Now they structured the contracts wisely.
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  Speaker 1: They've called well did so they could get out when
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  Speaker 1: they were ready to get out. Those guys are on
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  Speaker 1: the books. Um, but they wanted to Olivia Vernon last year,
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  Speaker 1: you remember that, and they didn't get him. If they
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  Speaker 1: get Olivia Vernon last year, do they have Clay's campbell
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  Speaker 1: this year? And you're the funny thing, you know, many fans,
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  Speaker 1: many observers, we're just furious, Well, why did you pull
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  Speaker 1: out of Olivier Vernon? Why did you stop on that?
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  Speaker 1: Why did you pull out of the bidding? Well, they
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  Speaker 1: just got uncomfortable with it and it was just too much.
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  Speaker 1: Well for last season, it hurts you. Now, No, not
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  Speaker 1: gonna Olivia Vernon. He was a good player, very good player.
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  Speaker 1: But you're ecstatic that you had the room that you're
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  Speaker 1: set up to have Clay's Campbell, a J boy, and
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  Speaker 1: very chur Let's not forget Marcel Darius, who, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: you can afford because you didn't have their additions on defense.
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  Speaker 1: Especially when you throw Darius in in there are right now,
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  Speaker 1: he looks like a twenty seven year old court player
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  Speaker 1: who might be here for three or four years. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I have no idea how to. You saw
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  Speaker 1: that instagram from Darryl Jeremant of him taking the center
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  Speaker 1: and throwing him on his butt. I saw the play.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily. I can't stop watching that instagram is
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  Speaker 1: like twenty seconds of him against the center and he
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  Speaker 1: just tosses him aside wildly. That guy he played eighteen
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  Speaker 1: plays game, that's it, twelve the game before. But in
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  Speaker 1: thirty place here he's been an impact player. Think about
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about Darius an all Pro level player. You're
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  Speaker 1: talking about Clais Campbell storm who is playing like an
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  Speaker 1: all pro level player. So far as you don't if
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  Speaker 1: you make that, it's a tough. It's tough to get
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  Speaker 1: Pro Bowl guy, a J boy man. It make the
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  Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, but it ain't gonna be embarrassing if he does,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and Buried Church who probably a pro bowler,
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  Speaker 1: but as important, you just don't hit that. And it's
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  Speaker 1: been you know, my view from the ozone on Thursday
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  Speaker 1: is the seven guys who made the biggest impact and
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  Speaker 1: make the point. It's just a remarkable thing to have
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  Speaker 1: for Net Robinson, Darius, these guys, it's a third of
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  Speaker 1: a new team and they all hit. It never happens,
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  Speaker 1: it really doesn't. And there's one other factor here that
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  Speaker 1: threads through this whole thing, and that is the Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: aren't paying a quarterback. So if you're paying twenty five
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  Speaker 1: million dollars like the Saints and the Packers and you know,
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  Speaker 1: the teams with the elite level quarterbacks, you can't go
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  Speaker 1: grab guys like Calais and Marcel and a j boy.
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  Speaker 1: You just can't afford to do that. Now, the flip
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  Speaker 1: side is, as long as you have that quarterback, you
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  Speaker 1: never need to go completely to the studs. So the Jaguars,
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  Speaker 1: the Jaggar's philosophy fits a team that doesn't have a quarterback.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: A team that does have a quarterback, it doesn't. Now
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: at some point what you hope be it Blake who
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: I get doesn't look like that right now. Um, you
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: hope to get one. You hope that it happens in
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: the next year to three years that that becomes an issue,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: and then you take the Seattle route, which is where
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: you start off. Just like this team right now looks
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: just like Seattle did uh in thirteen and fourteen, And
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: now Seattle looks like it's turning into a quarterback centric
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: We're gonna pay Russell Wilson build around him for the
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: next ten years. You eventually flow into that. That's okay,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: but it happens over time, and it's sort of morphs
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: that way. That's what you hope happens here. We'll find out.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Then be cold on Sunday. Bring your gloves. I'll be
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: in the press spot. Listen cocoa. I wanted to let
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: me up there, not if I can seeing your moments.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: We'll be back with the Thanksgiving you this year next week, folks.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: You don't want to miss it. John's gonna wear silly
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: good night,