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The Kenny Report | 27 January · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Love from the skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Labour's decline in the polls continues as News poll puts
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  Speaker 3: them behind on the popular vote. I'll talk to the
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  Speaker 3: Liberals Dave Sharma and former Labor Senator John Black Donald
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  Speaker 3: Trump Powers on forcing Columbia to back down just a
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  Speaker 3: day after it rejected illegal immigrants sent back by America
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  Speaker 3: on Holocaust Remembrance Day. I'll cross to Sophie Orsworth at
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  Speaker 3: the eightieth anniversary of the Liberation of Auschwitz and speak
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  Speaker 3: with one of the Australians of the year, Deborah Conway,
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  Speaker 3: about anti semitism in our country.
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  Speaker 4: It seems to me that a lot of this could
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  Speaker 4: have been avoided had there been some very strong actions
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  Speaker 4: taken right at the beginning and nipped it in the
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  Speaker 4: bard and said we will not tolerate this.
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  Speaker 5: In our country.
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  Speaker 3: All that and plenty more with Gematon, Jenny and Carolina. Also,
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  Speaker 3: let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 4: First.
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  Speaker 3: It was great to bring the show to you from
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  Speaker 3: sub zero Washington last week, but it's terrific to be
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  Speaker 3: back in warm, wonderful Australia on the Australia Day Long
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  Speaker 3: weekend this truly is the best country in the world.
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  Speaker 1: We have a history that's not.
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  Speaker 3: Perfect, but it's more peaceful and inspiring than just about
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  Speaker 3: any other nations, and we have every reason to celebrate
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  Speaker 3: the day that European settlement began, the day that British
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  Speaker 3: heritage institutions and peoples became irrevocably enmeshed with the destiny
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  Speaker 3: of the indigenous peoples and their cultures, and the multitude
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  Speaker 3: of immigrants who have followed. It was not invasion day,
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  Speaker 3: it was settlement day. It was the beginnings of modern Australia.
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  Speaker 3: They were tough times for everybody. Our four bears forged
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  Speaker 3: a modern nation that, just two hundred and thirty six.
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  Speaker 1: Years later is the envy of most of the world.
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  Speaker 3: And everybody who lives here is better off now than
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  Speaker 3: they would have been had settlement never happened.
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  Speaker 1: That's an irrefutable reality.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I've long believed that Indigenous people need more of
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  Speaker 3: a say on their particular issues, because we need to.
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  Speaker 1: Close the gap.
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  Speaker 3: But all of us, whatever skin color or faith, no
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  Speaker 3: matter where we were born, we share this nation consonant.
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  Speaker 3: We're all embraced by our glorious coastline, and we'd better
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  Speaker 3: make the most of it rather than haggle over the past. Now,
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  Speaker 3: most people have been loving the long weekend and loving
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  Speaker 3: their country, but we've seen the usual invasion day protests
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  Speaker 3: and plenty of virtue seek signalers are out there rejecting
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  Speaker 3: the holiday, I guess, in an effort to demonstrate their
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  Speaker 3: moral superiority over their fellow Australians. And then there was
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of white supremacists on the march in Adelaide.
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  Speaker 3: Can you believe singing Waltzing Matilda for crying out loud?
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  Speaker 3: And the Prime rightly lashed out at these nutjobs.
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  Speaker 6: They were horrific scenes yesterday to have people openly identifying
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  Speaker 6: as neo Nazis and fascists, white supremacists marching through our streets,
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  Speaker 6: and I congratulate the South Australian Police on the action
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  Speaker 6: that they took.
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  Speaker 7: Look.
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  Speaker 6: Mike Burgess, the Head of Asia, has been warningful some
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  Speaker 6: time about the rise of far right groups in Australia.
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  Speaker 6: It's phenomenon, unfortunately, that we've seen in other parts of
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  Speaker 6: the industrialized world as well, and there is no place
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  Speaker 6: for this hateful ideology here in Australia or indeed anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: Strong words. Weren't they fair enough?
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  Speaker 3: But for a leader who's under fire for being too
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  Speaker 3: weak on anti Semitism. Compare that to Alberanesi's reaction over
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  Speaker 3: fifteen months ago when Australians openly chanted in triumph and
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  Speaker 3: celebration over the murder of twelve hundred Israelis, mainly defenseless civilians,
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  Speaker 3: and the taking of two hundred and fifty hostages.
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  Speaker 6: Well, there's nothing to celebrate by the murder of innocent
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  Speaker 6: civilians going about their day.
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  Speaker 1: For people who were who were some of those.
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  Speaker 6: Who've been captured, young people who are attending a rave,
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  Speaker 6: enjoying life, enjoying each other's company. There's nothing to celebrate here.
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  Speaker 1: It's nothing to celebrate.
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  Speaker 3: That's as strong as he got back then when we
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  Speaker 3: had Australians celebrating that hatred and chanting out of the
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  Speaker 3: Jewish Australians here. Albanese needed to be a lot stronger
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  Speaker 3: all the way back then, didn't.
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  Speaker 1: He, Because that's what we have to do. If we
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  Speaker 1: want to protect.
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  Speaker 3: Our great country and improve it, we have to stamp
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  Speaker 3: our hatred. And that's something that Albernizi and the state
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  Speaker 3: premiers of New South Wales and Victoria have failed at
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  Speaker 3: this past fifteen months more than a year. They have
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  Speaker 3: allowed our national cohesion to be challenged to frey. They've
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  Speaker 3: allowed the great multicultural promise of Australia to become a
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  Speaker 3: frightening fraud for Jewish Australians.
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  Speaker 1: They need to lift their game.
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  Speaker 3: They're given the privilege of leadership in this great nation,
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  Speaker 3: so they should show the strength to stand up for
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  Speaker 3: its values, just on the formalities. Yesterday there was one
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  Speaker 3: prominent Australian who's been honored before on Australia Day, who
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  Speaker 3: turned up at an official event with an offensive T
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  Speaker 3: shirt sporting an expletive directed at Murdoch, meaning of course
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  Speaker 3: the Murdoch family and News Court media, of which we
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  Speaker 3: are apart. It was juvenile and crass and I won't
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  Speaker 3: even mention her name or show her and neither did
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  Speaker 3: the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 1: Today.
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  Speaker 6: People came through, there was a queue of more than
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  Speaker 6: how many people were in the queue, about at least sixty.
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  Speaker 6: There was all of the Australia A nominees. There was
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  Speaker 6: all of the past Australians of the year. There was
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  Speaker 6: the Australia A Council. People were just there, one by one,
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  Speaker 6: rolling through being welcomed, and it was clearly designed to
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  Speaker 6: get attention. I don't intend to add to that attention
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  Speaker 6: because I do think that it takes away from what
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  Speaker 6: the day should be about, which is the amazing people
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  Speaker 6: who were nominated as Australians of the Year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it takes him a while to get to the point,
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  Speaker 3: but Albou was right on that one, wasn't They the
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  Speaker 3: activist only diminishes her cause with that nonsense, and all
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  Speaker 3: of those who support it just humiliate themselves and showed
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  Speaker 3: they're not actually interested in civil debate. It's pretty sickening
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  Speaker 3: to see the propaganda and the repugnant deal making that's
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  Speaker 3: going on in the Middle East over the ceasefire and
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  Speaker 3: the return of hostages, and it's pretty sickening to see
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  Speaker 3: the way our publicly funded media is reporting this now.
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  Speaker 3: Wonder so many people are misinformed on the Middle East,
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  Speaker 3: so much hate is based on ignorance. Have a look
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  Speaker 3: at the latest hostage release reported on the ABC last night.
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  Speaker 2: In the hearts of Gaza City at the place they
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  Speaker 2: call Palestine Square, Hamas keen to show it's still calling
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  Speaker 2: the shops, parading four young, smiling hostages in front of
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  Speaker 2: growing crowds before handing them over to the Red Cross.
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  Speaker 2: The women's families watching the moment live on TV from Israel,
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  Speaker 2: shortly before the freed hostages crossed the border whisked away
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  Speaker 2: to an Israeli military base.
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  Speaker 3: How offensive it is to see this show put on
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  Speaker 3: by Hummas to the hilt, playing the nice guys organizing
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  Speaker 3: for their hostages to smile for the cameras after their
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  Speaker 3: compatriots have been slaughtered and they've been kept as hostages
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  Speaker 3: in war crimes that have stretched on for four hundred
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  Speaker 3: and seventy seven days.
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  Speaker 1: But remember how you've been.
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  Speaker 3: Told for all that time that everyone killed in Gaza
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  Speaker 3: was a civilian. Remember you were told they were all
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  Speaker 3: starving in Gaza. Remember you never saw any Hummus soldiers
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  Speaker 3: wearing uniforms or their green bandannas.
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  Speaker 1: Notice how different it.
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  Speaker 2: All looks now, Palestinians watching the handover seeing it very differently.
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  Speaker 1: And we are very happy. We are victorious, We are proud.
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  Speaker 4: All we've endured are resilience and the starvation were not
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  Speaker 4: in vain.
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  Speaker 5: Why not look at us.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a year and we are still standing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Humas everywhere, Now, aren't they healthy? Young? Men everywhere too.
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  Speaker 3: Most of the world's media ignores these paradoxes. They just
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  Speaker 3: run the propaganda breathlessly. And on the ABC last night
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  Speaker 3: we even had their senior reporter John Lyons, whose work
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  Speaker 3: on the Middle East I've highlighted here before paid for
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  Speaker 3: by taxpayers, of course, in the West Bank to share
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  Speaker 3: in the joy of all the terrorists released in those
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  Speaker 3: sick hostage exchanges.
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  Speaker 8: Abdul Salam Halabia waits for his brother Ibrahim, who's been
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  Speaker 8: in prison for twenty one years. He was a commander
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  Speaker 8: of a Hummas sell in Jerusalem and planned a suicide
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  Speaker 8: bombing in a cafe, which was thwarted before.
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  Speaker 1: It could happen.
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  Speaker 9: Can you understand Israeli's being very concerned about him being released.
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  Speaker 10: In general, we're against targeting Israeli or Palestinian civilians, but
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  Speaker 10: the clash between Palestinians and Israelis has gone through different
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  Speaker 10: mo humans.
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  Speaker 1: At the time when.
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  Speaker 10: He carried out this operation, it was a specific moment,
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  Speaker 10: really a.
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  Speaker 3: Specific moment when it was okay to plan a suicide
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  Speaker 3: bombing attack in a cafe, the sort that has killed
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  Speaker 3: so many hundreds of Israelis over the years. No comment
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  Speaker 3: on that from Lyons and the ABC. Instead, they're there
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  Speaker 3: for the celebrations as a convicted terrorist is released.
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  Speaker 8: In the chaos and pushing, Abdul Salam spots his brother.
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  Speaker 8: It's a frenzied reunion.
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  Speaker 2: It's overwhelming, especially after such a long time in an
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  Speaker 2: occupation prison.
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  Speaker 1: Lately things have only gotten worse.
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  Speaker 2: They've been treating us even more harshly since the war started.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they give the convicted terrorist a platform to criticize
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  Speaker 3: Israel over his treatment. A humus terrorist whose organization killed
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  Speaker 3: twelve hundred people in the most grotesque way possible on
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  Speaker 3: October the seventh, twenty twenty three, and still they hold
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  Speaker 3: hostages and he's been given a platform on the ABC
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  Speaker 3: to criticize Israel. And then Lions himself relays some of
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  Speaker 3: the standard terrorist propaganda claims.
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  Speaker 8: A lot of strong emotions in this courtyard at the moment.
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  Speaker 8: Several of the men say they were tortured by Israelis
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  Speaker 8: while in prison.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the standard claim from all terrorists. John Lyons
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  Speaker 3: would know that they are trained to claim they are
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  Speaker 3: tortured if ever they're captured, and your taxpayer funded ABC
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  Speaker 3: just puts that claim to air on their behalf. This
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  Speaker 3: is terrible stuff from the ABC and it helps to
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  Speaker 3: explain why so many people fail to understand this issue
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  Speaker 3: because they're fed misleading propaganda rather than the facts. Top
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump increases the pressure. Here, where are the rest
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  Speaker 3: of the hostages? Where are the dead hostages? Why is
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  Speaker 3: Hummas still running the show? Okay, let's get to these
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  Speaker 3: opinion polls. As you know, I've been saying, even when
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  Speaker 3: the Coalition was well behind in the polls, that the
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  Speaker 3: trend was clear, and that the clarity of the coalition's
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  Speaker 3: political positions was strong, and the Labor, Greens and Tills
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  Speaker 3: government has been making such a mess of everything, especially
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  Speaker 3: the cost of living, so that Peter Dutton and the
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  Speaker 3: Coalition were a chance, have been a chance not to
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  Speaker 3: just push Labor into minority government, but to win in
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  Speaker 3: their own right.
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  Speaker 1: And now the polls are starting to show that very clearly.
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  Speaker 3: The Coalition is now ahead in the Australian's latest News
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  Speaker 3: poll on the two party preferred vote, up fifty one
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  Speaker 3: percent to forty nine. Now this is based on the
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  Speaker 3: Labor primary vote slipping back to a terrible thirty one
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  Speaker 3: percent and the Coalition creeping up up to thirty nine percent.
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  Speaker 1: Now the coalition will.
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  Speaker 3: Want to see that primary vote get to forty percent
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  Speaker 3: and higher, but the trend at the moment is their friend,
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  Speaker 3: and now more people think that the coalition will win
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  Speaker 3: than Labor, which is another telling indicator. Let's go to
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  Speaker 3: form a labor senator for Queensland and renowned polling analyst
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  Speaker 3: John Black, John.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. I know you'll be looking.
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  Speaker 3: At a lot of factors here, including the published polling,
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  Speaker 3: but do you think that this election is there for
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  Speaker 3: the coalition to win?
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  Speaker 1: Possibly?
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  Speaker 7: Look, I've thought that for some time, Chris. The things
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  Speaker 7: that I look at are the state swings and the
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  Speaker 7: extent to which the ALP has been losing primary votes
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  Speaker 7: across the states, particularly key states like Victoria, where the
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  Speaker 7: federal labor primary voter is now coming down towards what
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  Speaker 7: the state primary vote is, which is pretty diabolical around
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  Speaker 7: about twenty two percent. So that vote for the ALP
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  Speaker 7: has been collapsing and it brings with it a lot
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  Speaker 7: of marginal seats. New South will as a big state
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  Speaker 7: with a lot of marginal seats, So we're looking at
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  Speaker 7: about fifteen seats there when you include two from WA
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  Speaker 7: which are pretty straightforward and one from the MT. So
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  Speaker 7: it's been looking pretty strong I think for the coalition,
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  Speaker 7: certainly since the third quarter of last year, and these
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  Speaker 7: more recent polls have been confirming that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Now I've been really focused on, I suppose the political trends,
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  Speaker 3: the trends in issues, and I think they've been diabolically
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  Speaker 3: diabolical for Anthony Albanezi because on cost of living issues
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  Speaker 3: and on anti semitism and that natural and national security issues,
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  Speaker 3: he's just been showing to be increasingly weak. And the
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  Speaker 3: reason I thought he's just going to keep sliding is
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  Speaker 3: because there's no sign of him recognizing the problem and
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  Speaker 3: striking back and getting on top of these issues, whether
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  Speaker 3: it's power prices or whether it's anti semitism at home.
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  Speaker 1: We've seen a trend in the polls.
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  Speaker 3: What do you make of the trend in the poles
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  Speaker 3: and is dramatic change from the government required to arrest it.
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  Speaker 7: The trend in the poles has been an excellent Chris.
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  Speaker 7: It's just been heading downwards for Labor pretty much since
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  Speaker 7: the middle of the Voice campaign when it became obvious
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  Speaker 7: that it's going to lose. So that trend, if anything,
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  Speaker 7: is accelerating recently, and it's been picked up in the
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  Speaker 7: Poles that the summary of all of the poles. The
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  Speaker 7: poles are the poles, if you like, but also the
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  Speaker 7: ones that I've been closely monitoring, because with the poles,
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  Speaker 7: you know, you have to pick the one that you
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  Speaker 7: think is the most reliable, which I've done, and you
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  Speaker 7: have to break it down to how it's going to
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  Speaker 7: impact because you can look at a swing against the
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  Speaker 7: Labor Party of say two to three percent, and it's
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  Speaker 7: now looking more like four percent, an average that out
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  Speaker 7: across seats and assume they all swing the same way,
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  Speaker 7: but they don't. Typically the swing is four to five
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  Speaker 7: percent of the average, So you're looking at a range
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  Speaker 7: of swings of up to twenty percent. And the big
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  Speaker 7: impact for them, Chris as you as you called it
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  Speaker 7: is the cost of living Now that affects everybody. So
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  Speaker 7: does the decline in primary health care, So does the
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  Speaker 7: increase in the price of energy, and those sorts of things.
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  Speaker 5: They affect everybody.
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  Speaker 7: So you're getting this broad brushed downturn in support for
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  Speaker 7: the AOP and relation of those key issues, and the
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  Speaker 7: kind of voters that are impacted the most are those
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  Speaker 7: who are hard pressed in the early years of mortgage
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  Speaker 7: repayments with a couple of kids. So what we're seeing
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  Speaker 7: when we look at the Ranger swings is that the
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  Speaker 7: Coalition is picking up in a lot of the outer
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  Speaker 7: suburban seats, which traditionally determine who wins and who loses
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  Speaker 7: Australian elections.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Peter Dutton will be looking to galvanize that support,
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  Speaker 3: lift his vote as voters fall away from Labor. You'll
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  Speaker 3: be looking to sort of polarize the vote between the
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  Speaker 3: major parties and minimize the numbers going off to independence.
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  Speaker 3: A double barreled question to finish up, is it all
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  Speaker 3: about New South Wales and Victoria in this election? Is
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  Speaker 3: that where the crucier number of seats to change hands
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  Speaker 3: will be? And secondly, do you think the Coalition can
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  Speaker 3: claw back at least a few of those till seats.
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  Speaker 7: I think when your primary vote increases by three to
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  Speaker 7: four percent, as it is at the moment for the Coalition,
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  Speaker 7: it becomes very difficult for the Teals to hang on
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  Speaker 7: to some of those seats that they won by very
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  Speaker 7: tight margins last time. And I'm looking in particular at Curtain,
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  Speaker 7: but also Goldstein and perhaps couyon. It also gives the
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  Speaker 7: Coalition a chance of picking out one or two of
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  Speaker 7: the seats that they lost to the Greens last time.
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  Speaker 7: I'm looking at Ryan here and a Brisbane in particular.
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  Speaker 7: So yeah, if your primary vote goes up in this
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  Speaker 7: sort of situation and Labour's primary vote has a two
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  Speaker 7: in front of it, then there's a lot of potential
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  Speaker 7: games for the Coalition there. And bear in mind Tier
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  Speaker 7: Chris that the Greens vote has flatlined. The evidence is
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  Speaker 7: it's gone backwards in a number of its strategies to
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  Speaker 7: additionally safer seats in which was hoping to perform well
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  Speaker 7: this time and win some from the ALP. Well, that
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  Speaker 7: hope has now gone and the votes that they've lost
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  Speaker 7: basically mean that it's.
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  Speaker 5: Lost the cream of its ebb, it's base vote.
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  Speaker 7: It's picked up some votes in some working class areas
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  Speaker 7: in inner western Sydney, which is going to hurt the
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  Speaker 7: Labor Party, but it's not going to save the ALP
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  Speaker 7: this time as it has done in elections past.
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  Speaker 3: John, I've always respected your analysis when I've heard it
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  Speaker 3: and read it, and I really appreciate you joining us tonight.
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  Speaker 5: That's a pleasure.
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  Speaker 3: John Black their former Labor senator for Queensland. He knows
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  Speaker 3: this stuff backwards and you heard it from him. The
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  Speaker 3: election is there to win for Peter Dutton if he
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  Speaker 3: can maintain this momentum. Let's go to Dave Sharma, Liberal
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  Speaker 3: Senator for New South Wales, join us live from the
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  Speaker 3: Sydney CBD.
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  Speaker 1: Good to speak to you, Dave. That'll be encouraging news.
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  Speaker 3: For you, but I don't imagine you'll be buying into
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  Speaker 3: the polling debate too foursomely.
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  Speaker 11: Well, you never want to count your chickens until their
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  Speaker 11: hatch christeners, as many often say, you know, the only
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  Speaker 11: pole of matters is that on election day. But look,
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  Speaker 11: you know, certainly as I go around the country or
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  Speaker 11: the state rather than New South Wales, if I've been
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  Speaker 11: with a couple of our candidates in key seats over
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  Speaker 11: the last week, you know there's a lot of frustration
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  Speaker 11: with the alban Eezy government. There's a lot of frustration
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  Speaker 11: that they're not dealing with fundamental challenges, whether it's cost
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  Speaker 11: of living, personal security, antisemitism on our streets. And I
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  Speaker 11: think you know you can feel that that's palpable.
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  Speaker 3: Now when it comes to cost of living, I think
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: energy is right up there because it plays into the
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: cost of everything else and also fuels inflation. And that's
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: something Donald Trump's been talking about since resuming the presidency.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Here he is in his inauguration speech last week.
• 19:50
  Speaker 12: The inflation crisis was caused by massive overspending and escalating
• 19:55
  Speaker 12: energy prices. And that is why today I will also
• 19:58
  Speaker 12: declare a national energy emergency. We will drill, baby, drill.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Now, Dave, you understand the political situation in the US
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: better than most. You've worked in Washington for the Australian Embassy.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Of course, the issues don't directly translate to Australia, but
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: this one in particular, perhaps along with the one Flag issue,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: these are obvious issues where your narrative is enmeshed with
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: with what Donald Trump is doing.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: In the US.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Their energy prices are a lot cheaper than ours, yet
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: he says they're too high, and the way to reduce
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: them is to generate more electricality through gas primarily, but
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: also nuclear.
• 20:40
  Speaker 11: Well, I think you know, around the world people have
• 20:42
  Speaker 11: discovered that the energy transition promised by the clean energy
• 20:46
  Speaker 11: activists has not been all the smooth sailing that we've
• 20:49
  Speaker 11: been told. I mean, you know, we've seen much higher
• 20:53
  Speaker 11: prices in Australia, concerns about reliability, massive costs in the
• 20:58
  Speaker 11: building of transmission infrastructure, huge environmental concerns about where some
• 21:02
  Speaker 11: of these solar and wind onshore and offshore are being built.
• 21:05
  Speaker 11: And I think that's why we're proposing as a coalition,
• 21:09
  Speaker 11: you know, more gas in the energy mix, nuclear power
• 21:11
  Speaker 11: of the energy mix as well. Yes, we'll continue with
• 21:13
  Speaker 11: renewable energy, you know, where it makes commercial and environmental sense,
• 21:17
  Speaker 11: it should be part of the energy mix, but we
• 21:19
  Speaker 11: need to have multiple different assets in our energy portfolio
• 21:24
  Speaker 11: helping to keep the lights on the grid stable and
• 21:26
  Speaker 11: prices low.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Now you've been prominent in this country in the debate
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: about anti Semitism and about Australia's position, our diplomatic position
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: on the Middle East. I mean, I've been highly critical
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: of labor. They've been so pathetic, they've effectively abandoned Israel
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: over this past year or so. Yet we get this
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: from the Attorney General, Mark Drefus.
• 21:47
  Speaker 13: It's been grotesque I use that word again to see
• 21:50
  Speaker 13: the rise in antisemitism since October the seventh. But it
• 21:54
  Speaker 13: has been equally grotesque to see attempts being made to
• 21:58
  Speaker 13: politicize either commemoration of the Holocaust or combating anti Semitism.
• 22:05
  Speaker 13: We need to get politics out of this.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: I've got to get your reaction to that, Dave Shama.
• 22:14
  Speaker 11: I mean, if Mark, Anthony Abernezi, Pennywong, and the senior
• 22:18
  Speaker 11: labor ministers were doing their job, were combating anti Semitism,
• 22:23
  Speaker 11: had been on the front foot, had not been morally
• 22:25
  Speaker 11: equivocating about this, had not been trying to create a
• 22:28
  Speaker 11: false equivalence the whole time, then there wouldn't be much
• 22:31
  Speaker 11: political debate about this. I think we've been united, but
• 22:34
  Speaker 11: while we've been critical, not just us, the Jewish community,
• 22:37
  Speaker 11: religious leaders, Catholic leaders, are Christian leaders, the Hindu community
• 22:41
  Speaker 11: have all been highly critical of this government's handling of
• 22:44
  Speaker 11: anti Semitism because they've neglected, ignored, sorts of diminished and
• 22:48
  Speaker 11: discount the problem throughout from the very beginning. And now
• 22:52
  Speaker 11: we're dealing with something of epidemic proportions in Australia the
• 22:56
  Speaker 11: likes of which we've never seen before in our history.
• 22:59
  Speaker 11: Because this government has failed at their job, and to
• 23:01
  Speaker 11: say that somehow they should be a mean from criticism
• 23:04
  Speaker 11: for failing to do their job properly. I think it's
• 23:06
  Speaker 11: a complete misunderstanding of Westminster domestic political system.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Spot on, Dave Sharma, thanks for joining us. I appreciate it.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Liberal Senator for New South Wales, Dave Sharma. They had
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: the reshuffle last week.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: While I was away.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Pitty Dave didn't get a promotion. Pretty good reshuffle. We'll
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: talk about that later, but Dave Sharma should be headed
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: for that ministry at some time in the future.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Now we'll take a break.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: On the other side of that, I'm going to speak
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: with one of the Australian newspapers Australians of the Year,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Deborah Conway, about anti Semitism in this nation. As we
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: saw earlier, the official Australian of the Year award often
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: goes to political activists or people chosen to advance political causes,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: so I think the Australian newspaper usually does a better
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: job highlighting the right people for it's Australian of the
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Year award. Happily it's a bit different this year because
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: I think the official choice is fantastic. Danaher was a
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: champion footballer and a brilliant coach, but his courage and
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: brilliant since being diagnosed with motor neurone disease has been remarkable.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Not only has he spearheaded a massive fundraising drive for research,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: but he's also demonstrated leadership and generosity and inspiration to
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: everyone touched by this dreadful disease. So well done on
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: that choice, and congratulations to.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Neil Danaher and the entire dana Her family.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: But The Australian's choice this year was also spot on,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: naming three people who've led the fight against anti Semitism.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: There's former Treasurer Josh fried Berger, who presented a documentary
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: on this topic the Sky News and who I've spoken
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: to about these issues often on the program. And also
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Jewish community leader Alex Rivchen who's been a regular guest
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: on this program discussing anti Semitism. And also singer songwriter
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Deborah Conway, who I spoke with today and I started
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: by noting it must be a bitter sweet award for
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: her because she never went looking for this fight and
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: sadly it came looking for her.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, Chris, it is an extremely more bitter
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: I think than sweet, to be honest.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: Look, it's a win.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: I suppose for the whole targeted community and broadly, more broadly,
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: still a win for Australians who are so shocked by
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: the lack of the lack of authority that's kind of
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: stepped in to kind of.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: To quell these activities.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: You know, we really have all been really bewildered and
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: surprised by the ferocity of what happened on October ninth, and.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: Nothing, you know, once the genie is out of the bottle.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: Of course, sorry to use a cliche, but it's pretty
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: hard to put it back.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is pretty grim at the moment.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: It's very, very depressing for many people around the country.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Now, you were targeted by.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: A doxing exercise that was used to trying to expose
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: any Jewish people or Israeli sympathizers in the creative arts.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: So in many respects, you're taking up a fight that
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: was personal for you, but it's also on behalf of
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: the Jewish community. But I want to thank you and
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: I want to get your thoughts more broadly on the
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: fight that you and Josh and Alex Ritchan and others
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: have been involved in is actually one defending Australian values.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: You're defending the Australian community values and the attacks that
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: could come at any time on other so called minorities
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: within this great country.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: We've all signed up to the multicultural way of life
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: here and for the most part, it works pretty well.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: But for some reason, Jews don't appear to be under
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: that same umbrella of being appreciated as part of the
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: rich multicultural tapestry.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: That we have in this country.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: And it's not like we want special treatment, really, Chris,
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: we're not asking for any special treatment. In fact, we're
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: asking for the same treatment as everybody else, just you know,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: to be left alone, to get on with it and
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: you know, express whatever political views we feel in bolden
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: to express like everybody else. In some senses. I doxed
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: myself a long time ago. I mean I've come out
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: as a Jew a long time ago, and I've come
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: out as a Zionist as well, and so that doxing
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: incident didn't didn't affect me in the same way that
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: it did others, but it did absolutely affect a lot
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: of people, and it was really shattering.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Indeed, I've seen you perform with a Star of David
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: and proudly display your Jewishness, But that phrase you just
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: used to come out as a Jew, to come out
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: as a Zionist. Why on earth should either of these
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: be things that should be hidden.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: It was just a strange thing for me.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: You know, I've been a musician for more than forty years,
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: but in you know, back in about two thousand and
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: age or nine and ten, and we started writing these
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: songs that were I guess we're kind of the first
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: bridge between being Jewish and being musicians. From twenty thirteen
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: of my nervousness putting out stories of ghosts and really
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: publicly publicly standing up there and saying, yes, I'm a Jew,
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: my father changed his name.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: I'm not really a Conway. There's no Irish blood in.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: Me, you know, twenty twenty three, ten years later and
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: really being you know, side swiped by this, you know,
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: completely full, fully formed, fire breathing dragon that exploded.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: Forth on October ninth. Quite shocking.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: I have been staggered by the level of ignorance and
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: the level of hatred on display in Australia.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Has it frightened.
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: Has it frightened me? I guess you know who was
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: sort of.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: I just felt like we were living again through some
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: sort of historical moment. Late nineteen thirties Berlin. You know,
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: I've read a bit about that and it felt it
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: felt familiar what was going on. And it's because because
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: no one in authority has really stamped it out, has
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: really said okay.
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, only.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Recently have these events been called terrorist incidents, and only
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: recently has there been sort of serious steps to kind
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: of to arrest people, to pass laws that make this
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: kind of thing be on the pale. But there are
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: laws in place, they just haven't really been enforced.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: It has taken a long time because we were calling
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: out some of this weakness on October the eighth last year,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: in October the ninth because of the immediate reaction of
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: some palace any and sympathizers and Islamist groups in Australia,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: but state premiers and Anthony Abernezi have been slow. So
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: slow and so weak are they culpable.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: I'm not suggesting for a moment that people who are
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: in positions of authority in this country are anti Semitic.
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: That's not what I'm saying.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: I'm just I'm just saying I don't believe that they
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: have read history correctly, and I think that they thought
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: that if we just ignore it it'll go away. As
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: an observer, as a very interested observer, it seems to
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: me that a lot of this could have been avoided
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: had there been some very strong actions taken right at
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: the beginning and nipped it in the bar and said
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: we will not tolerate this in our country and then
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: gone about enforcing the laws that would make that very
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: untenable for people.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Has this shaken your faith in your fellow Australians and
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: in our political leadership?
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: You know, there's so many any of my fellow Australians
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: that have been so supportive, and I see that, you know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: when they write letters and they see that in the
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: social media. You know, it's like, you know, I get
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: I put up a social media post and you know,
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: I get, I get ten lovely comments and then you know,
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: three really nasty comments. But then other people kind of
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: come in and they they counter you know.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: What the what the very nasty people have said. Nasty
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: is a very mild word for it.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Yes it is. It is, as as I go. Yeah, now,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: just finally, then ignorance. I think ignorance plays a huge
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: role in this. And and look, I'm.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Known to be a critic of other forms of media
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: but surely the media in this country must be culpable,
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: for I think circulating what in many cases amounts to
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: hummus propaganda rather than real news and real history.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: Well that's what I'm hearing having you know, looking across
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: the broad spectrum of mainstream media. Yes, that's I would
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: have to agree with you. They have parroted the Hamas
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: Ministry of Health figures.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: Which are then you know, what's the word.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Launded by you know, our international institutions. It has been terrible,
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: absolutely dreadful for the gardens as well, and we all
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: know that. But I think the point is you can't
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: solve the Middle East conflict from Australia. You can't solve
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: the Middle East conflict with a spray can walking around Willara,
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: spreading hate or fire bombing kindergartens or synagogues. You can't
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: solve the Middle East crisis by canceling Jewish artist, sculptors, writers.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: This is not the way that wars end, and it's
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: not it's not a fair representation of that war.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: Is to our nation's media consumers.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Deborah Conway, Congratulations on the way you've been an advocate
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: on this issue. Congratulations on the Australian of the Year award,
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: and thanks for talking to us.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: It's okay, Chris. Thanks.
• 33:18
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Well, I remember when she burst onto the scene, leading
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: away in many respects for strong female singer songwriters in
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: this country.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Now she's leading the way on this issue, brilliant staff.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: And because the haters and the bigots are trying to
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: cancel her, let me just give her a bit.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Of a promotion.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Not for her latest music, although you should check that
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: out as well, but Deborah Conway's put out a book,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: a memoir of her life. It's called Book of Life.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: It's available in good bookshops right get around the country there.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: And I haven't read it yet, but I know jem
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Aton Uni has and she recommends it very very highly.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: So get out there and read about to Debraah Conway's
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: amazing life. Now on Holocaust Remembrance Day and across to
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Sophie R'sworth after this break, she's at the eightieth anniversary.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Of the Liberation of Our Switch.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: As I mentioned, today globally is Holocaust Remembrance Day. Because
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: it's the eightieth anniversary of the Liberation of Our Switch.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: A commemoration service is going to be held overnight our
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: time with King Charles to attend by our Foreign Minister
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Penny Wong and Attorney General Mark Drefus will represent the
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Australian government after a lower level delegation was USURP last week.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Let me cross now Toupoland and catch up with News.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Corps Europe correspondent Sophie Ellsworth in crack Our Thanks for
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: joining us, Sophie.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: What an incredible event for you to be covering.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: What a horrendous chapter of human history at a timely
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: reminder about it and given the anti semitism we're seeing
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: around the world right now.
• 34:56
  Speaker 14: Absolutely, Chris, it is remarkable to be here in such
• 34:59
  Speaker 14: a special day, a very important day, particularly in light
• 35:03
  Speaker 14: of recent events and the rise of antisemitism that we
• 35:06
  Speaker 14: have seen back home in Australia. But world leaders are
• 35:10
  Speaker 14: descending on Poland today to attend the commemoration event for
• 35:14
  Speaker 14: the eighteenth anniversary. Incredibly important event and one that many
• 35:19
  Speaker 14: people from around the world.
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: Will we watch increase?
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now, Penny Wong is going.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Last week it was revealed that only a senator that
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: most of Australia had never heard of was going to
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: lead the delegation. They've added in now Mark Drevis the
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Attorney General and Penny Wong, the Foreign Minister, and she's
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: had this to say, if.
• 35:38
  Speaker 11: We really mean never again, then we need to work
• 35:40
  Speaker 11: together across politics and across faiths, and I have confidence
• 35:44
  Speaker 11: Australians can do that.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the right attitude. The trouble is seen so.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Much criticism of the lack of strength from labor at
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: home when it comes to anti Semitism and the way
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: they've abandoned Israel in the current war under ceasefire now
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: with Humma. So this must filter through the whole global
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: debate there right, because so many countries who will be
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: there to remember the horrors of the concentration camps have
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: really been weak in supporting Israel over the past fifteen months.
• 36:16
  Speaker 14: Well, that's right, Chris. And when we spoke to Penny
• 36:18
  Speaker 14: Wong yesterday and Mark Drafus, who are here in Poland,
• 36:22
  Speaker 14: they were pretty defensive because they hit back at the
• 36:24
  Speaker 14: attacks that they have received, saying that they haven't been
• 36:27
  Speaker 14: doing enough to support Israel and to fight against anti Semitism.
• 36:32
  Speaker 14: Mark Dreyfus said, it's quite grotesque the politicking that's going on.
• 36:37
  Speaker 14: He said, now is not the time for this I
• 36:39
  Speaker 14: also asked Penny Wong, why isn't Prime Minister Anthony Alberanzi here.
• 36:44
  Speaker 14: She batted away that question and said, both her and
• 36:47
  Speaker 14: mister Drapus are here and they are very senior members
• 36:50
  Speaker 14: of the Labor government.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I tell you what.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: He's got the bit of chrism criticism for his overseas travel.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: But this would have been a brilliant opportunity for Anthony
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: Albanezi to go to Israel, then to go to the
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: inauguration of President Trump, and then to be here at ours.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Which what are we expecting to unfold later in the
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: day your time, about two thirty in the morning our time,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: will there be a tour of the facilities?
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: What's the official ceremony going to entail? So all the.
• 37:19
  Speaker 14: Leaders will descend on ourspitch Later today at four o'clock
• 37:23
  Speaker 14: local time, Chris, the actual service begins that go for
• 37:27
  Speaker 14: about ninety minutes. Interestingly, no politicians or government officials will
• 37:32
  Speaker 14: speak at all. The focus will be firmly on the
• 37:34
  Speaker 14: Holocaust survivors who will be speaking about the atrocities that
• 37:38
  Speaker 14: did take place. I expect it to obviously be an
• 37:41
  Speaker 14: incredibly moving service and one that many people will be
• 37:45
  Speaker 14: watching and also Sky will be airing it at three
• 37:48
  Speaker 14: o'clock on Tuesday afternoon for those people who are not
• 37:51
  Speaker 14: watching it during the evening.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Fantastic Stef Thanks so much, Sophie.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: Appreciate your report now and look forward to your reporting
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: over the next twenty four hours. So if you was
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: worth their live from Crack our shout out to Sky
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: News Cameron and Nick Phillips there shooting that he went
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: on there. He was with us in Washington and he
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: flew on to be there and make sure we have
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: this well covered for Sky News in Poland. What a
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: horrific chapter that the world certainly does need reminding about.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: We're going to take a break down on the other side.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Gemutine Uni and Caroline de Russo join me. We'll talk
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: about how Trump's victory is changing the world. Let's sort
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: the world out now with our great mates Gematon, JENNI
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: here on the desk with me and CAROLINEA were so
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: over in Perth. I want to first out get your
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  Speaker 3: quick thoughts here on this carrow.
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  Speaker 1: Was Australia day better this year? I got the sense only.
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  Speaker 3: Got back into the country early yesterday morning, but I
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  Speaker 3: was here all day yesterday and I just said, sure,
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  Speaker 3: there's the usual protest that is on one side or
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  Speaker 3: the other.
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  Speaker 1: But most people just enjoyed it, didn't they.
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  Speaker 5: I think they did.
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  Speaker 9: And I noticed here in Perth there were a lot
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  Speaker 9: more Australia Day flags and have been out than in
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  Speaker 9: recent years.
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  Speaker 1: And look I did.
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  Speaker 9: I did what I do every Australia Day. I made
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  Speaker 9: a pavlover. And I mean, you know you live in
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  Speaker 9: the lucky country when a child of migrants can use
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  Speaker 9: her nonin as famous Pavlov recipe to make the best
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  Speaker 9: cake in the country, and you know you're living the drink.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I took my thirteen year old because I missed
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  Speaker 3: his birthday.
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  Speaker 1: We took him for a snitty at the pub. So
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  Speaker 1: that was pretty Australian, very Australia. Do you reckon? I'm right?
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  Speaker 1: Have you got that same sense?
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  Speaker 3: We're getting a little bit more open about just celebrating
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  Speaker 3: the day.
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  Speaker 15: I feel like there's this collective permission to sort of
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  Speaker 15: push back and say, you know, this is a fantastic,
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  Speaker 15: imperfect country. And I was in Melbourne for Australia Day
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  Speaker 15: and walking through the city on the way to meet
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  Speaker 15: friends for lunch there was obviously, you know, the biggest
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  Speaker 15: protest in the country there and I actually thought, you
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  Speaker 15: know what, it's a function of democracy. It's a function
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  Speaker 15: of democracy.
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  Speaker 1: No matter how much attention you paid to it. Right,
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  Speaker 1: there's that.
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  Speaker 15: And also it is just not the reflect of everyday Australians.
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  Speaker 15: It really isn't. And I was so happy to see
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  Speaker 15: people in and amongst it with Australian when I say
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  Speaker 15: in and amongst it broadly Australian flags, celebrating and just
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  Speaker 15: saying what I personally love about it is all of
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  Speaker 15: the stories about this is where we came from, this
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  Speaker 15: is where our family came from. Some people are like, well,
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  Speaker 15: you know, this is my pan I've got conflict, convict families,
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  Speaker 15: all of that.
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  Speaker 1: Sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 15: We are a rich country and it's wonderful to see
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  Speaker 15: us celebrating.
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  Speaker 3: I went down to Bondai icebergs because I think Australia.
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  Speaker 3: I had to get my dip in right straight back
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  Speaker 3: from the freezing cold, and there were so many people.
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  Speaker 3: There are women in the Australian flag bikinis. I couldn't
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  Speaker 3: post those online because and there are others from all nationalities,
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  Speaker 3: some obviously visitors, some different ethnic backgrounds here posing for
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  Speaker 3: photos with Australian flags, but are fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: You got to love it. Now, let's talk about Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump changing the world.
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  Speaker 3: If you don't think he's changing the world, have a
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  Speaker 3: listen to this Israeli hostage after she was released.
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  Speaker 16: Thank you, President Trump for everything you are doing for
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  Speaker 16: our hostages. If anyone can bring world peace, it's definitely you,
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  Speaker 16: and you are confident and we are confident you will
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  Speaker 16: do whatever it takes to get us to get us there.
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  Speaker 3: Now, Jemma, it sickens me this whole protest process, sorry,
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  Speaker 3: the exchanges with the terrorists being freed, and the fact
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  Speaker 3: that not all the hostages are out yet, the fact
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  Speaker 3: that so many we know are dead. But it's so obvious,
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  Speaker 3: isn't it that none of this would be happening if
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  Speaker 3: not for Trump.
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  Speaker 15: Not a chance, not a chance, would be happening without him.
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  Speaker 15: I mean, look what happened over the last fifteen months.
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  Speaker 15: Absolute you know, obfuscation and silly shallying around and just
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  Speaker 15: can I say, best time wasting? And you know he
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  Speaker 15: drew a line in the sand before he'd even taken office,
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  Speaker 15: and now we have progress. And as he said, it's
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  Speaker 15: an awful deal for Israel, but they are committed to
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  Speaker 15: getting these people back. But honestly, it's like, it's the
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  Speaker 15: analogy I like to give. It's like when you're a
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  Speaker 15: kid and your mum might say you wait till your
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  Speaker 15: dad gets home.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, all of.
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  Speaker 15: A sudden, Dad's home and I've got his belt. I mean,
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  Speaker 15: I'm a generation X. This is the analogy that works
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  Speaker 15: for me best. But it is literally like the world
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  Speaker 15: has been without a schoolmaster. This is what strong leadership
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  Speaker 15: looks like.
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  Speaker 1: He's prepared to use his power. An incredible story exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about Colombia.
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  Speaker 3: Get your thoughts on this, Caroline, because Columbia had rejected
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  Speaker 3: two plane loads of illegal Colombian immigrants to America. They
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  Speaker 3: were flown back down to Columbia. They rejected them, refused
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  Speaker 3: the rights for the planes to land. Trump says, we'll
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  Speaker 3: slap tariffs on you, will send other Colombian citizens home
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  Speaker 3: who are legitimate, and Columbia has rolled over.
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  Speaker 1: Now they'll take their illegal immigrants back. Yeah, they will.
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  Speaker 9: And you've got to ask yourself a question. If your
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  Speaker 9: country of origin doesn't want to take you back there,
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  Speaker 9: maybe you are the bad hombres that Trump all ways
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  Speaker 9: spoke about like you would think that your own people
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  Speaker 9: might want you home. But essentially, when you think about it,
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  Speaker 9: and there's been some commentators who are like, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 9: the previous administration had such a good relationship with the
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  Speaker 9: Colombian government. The previous administration was an empty chair. The
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  Speaker 9: previous administration was an old bloke sitting in the sun
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  Speaker 9: with a warm cup of milk. So who even knows
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  Speaker 9: who had this relationship with the Columbian president. But now
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  Speaker 9: boundaries have been set, Boundaries have been set as to
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  Speaker 9: what is and isn't acceptable, and look broadly something like this,
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  Speaker 9: most fair minded people would say, well, look, if you
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  Speaker 9: haven't entered legally, you either do it properly or off
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  Speaker 9: you trot home. Finally, people are starting to see what
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  Speaker 9: it actually looks like.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's incredible just to see the speed of the action.
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  Speaker 1: That'll be problems in the end. There's going to be
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  Speaker 1: some legal challenges and the like.
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  Speaker 3: Trump is making it clear what he wants to do,
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  Speaker 3: and there's this executive order from last week. The next
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  Speaker 3: item here is the withdrawal from the Paris Climate Treating.
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  Speaker 3: Cheers all round and from some in Australia, Gemma, why
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  Speaker 3: are we still in this thing if the biggest economy
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  Speaker 3: in the world has seen through it and is out again.
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  Speaker 15: Well, I think it would be politically untenable for the
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  Speaker 15: coalition to withdraw or to state an intent to withdraw.
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  Speaker 15: That's just the practicality of this situation. My own view
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  Speaker 15: on climate change, as you know, is the climate is changing.
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  Speaker 15: There is no emergency. There is no evidence of an emergency.
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  Speaker 15: Thank you Al Gore for coming, you know, thank you
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  Speaker 15: mister Flannery for coming all of that stuff that we know.
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  Speaker 15: Our response has to be responsible as a citizen, proportionate
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  Speaker 15: to our responsibility and without putting Australians into energy property
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  Speaker 15: be parros. Back in the Motherland, in Perth, where last
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  Speaker 15: week Premier Roger Cook said, sorry about the rolling blackouts.
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  Speaker 15: Just renewable. It's not an answer. That is my late
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  Speaker 15: father would not have coped forty degree day, multiple comorbidities,
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  Speaker 15: amputee in a wheelchair without air conditioning. Sorry, no, he
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  Speaker 15: wouldn't have.
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  Speaker 3: Lack of power is not an option. I agree with you, Jimmy.
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  Speaker 3: I think that analysis is right that politically has seen
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  Speaker 3: is untenable to withdraw from Paris. But I would point
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  Speaker 3: out that a lot of people said that had been
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  Speaker 3: untoutable in the US too, that Trump couldn't get away
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  Speaker 3: with it, and Caroline that the point here is, as
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  Speaker 3: Jemma says, you've got to do something to reduce some missions,
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  Speaker 3: even if you're just doing it from an insurance point
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  Speaker 3: of view. But there is no issue on the planet
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  Speaker 3: where the United Nations has proven to be an effective
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  Speaker 3: policy implementer. So forget the United Nations to do this.
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  Speaker 3: If you want countries to do something about emissions, it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be through country to country agreements or their
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  Speaker 3: internal actions.
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  Speaker 1: Forget the UN.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, I mean why I even't bother talking about
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  Speaker 9: the UN.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it's just a.
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  Speaker 9: Money hole and I'm not even really sure what it's
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  Speaker 9: still there for. It is well passed its use by date.
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  Speaker 9: When it comes to what we do here in Australia,
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  Speaker 9: and the most important thing actually is energy security, We're
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  Speaker 9: all very well across the coalition's nuclear policy. I thought
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  Speaker 9: it was astounding last week Jemma mentioned it. Roger Cook
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  Speaker 9: said to us that rolling blackouts were part and parcel
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  Speaker 9: of the energy transition. Now if that there is part
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  Speaker 9: and parcel of the energy transition. That's not particularly a
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  Speaker 9: transition I'm interested in. I love the heat, but I
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  Speaker 9: also love my dishwasher, so I expect it to work,
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  Speaker 9: and in a first world country, we should expect it
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  Speaker 9: to work. But like with anything, Chris, there has to
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  Speaker 9: be strategy behind things. Sometimes you do things immediately and
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  Speaker 9: sometimes the best thing to do is nothing and to wait.
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  Speaker 9: So look, I'm sure that this has been considered very
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  Speaker 9: well at the highest levels within the Coalition and the
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  Speaker 9: nuclear policy and a whole range of other policies. Is
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  Speaker 9: is designed to make sure that we have energy security
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  Speaker 9: and that should absolutely be our number one priority.
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  Speaker 1: We've destroyed that.
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  Speaker 3: Un has to say, we've destroyed our energy affordability and
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  Speaker 3: reliability in this country in pursuit of the Paris goals.
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  Speaker 1: It's national self harm. As you know, I've said for
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  Speaker 1: time and time again, and.
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  Speaker 3: Roger Cook what he's done is said the quiet part
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  Speaker 3: out loudly. We all know that it's the renewables causing this.
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  Speaker 3: He's actually been honest about it. Bowen and our but
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  Speaker 3: easier denying it. It's outrageous. Let me go to one
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  Speaker 3: other issue, because we've talked about the polls tonight, they're
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  Speaker 3: very encouraging. Now the News poll, which is the most
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  Speaker 3: respected pole, very encouraging for the Coalition and Labour's polling
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  Speaker 3: is the trajectory's just downwards and downwards thirty one percent primary.
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  Speaker 1: Now the big.
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  Speaker 3: Trick for the Coalition is to really consolidate the voting
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  Speaker 3: around them up to thirty nine.
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  Speaker 1: They need to get higher.
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  Speaker 3: So we're starting to see a bit of a focus
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  Speaker 3: in their advertising.
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  Speaker 1: I'm the leader, have a look at this.
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  Speaker 17: As a minister, I learned the wrong economy and a
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  Speaker 17: safe community are central to everything that you sometimes need
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  Speaker 17: to stand up to vested interests and always make decisions
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  Speaker 17: in our national interest. The right decisions aren't always popular,
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  Speaker 17: but I'm not interested in taking the easy path because
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  Speaker 17: we live in the best country in the world and
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  Speaker 17: I'm determined to get Australia back on track.
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  Speaker 3: Running out of time about thirty seconds each selling Peter
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  Speaker 3: Dutton going to work okay.
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  Speaker 15: I think people are getting to know him and that's
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  Speaker 15: the thing. And I also think that the Labor parties
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  Speaker 15: revolting personal attacks on Dutton and his wife and broadly
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  Speaker 15: the Coalition. People are sick of it and they're also
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  Speaker 15: sick of it because it's what Albin Easy promise they
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  Speaker 15: wouldn't do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, Caroline, your thoughts.
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  Speaker 9: People want solutions. People are suffering. People aren't interested in,
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  Speaker 9: you know, future prime ministers or opposition leaders doing editorials
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  Speaker 9: for Vogue and what have you that will not fix
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  Speaker 9: their problems. They want someone who is centraded on the
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  Speaker 9: main game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff.
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  Speaker 3: As you will know Peter Dutton, he's a ripping bloke
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  Speaker 3: and as people get to know him as well, they
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  Speaker 3: make up their own mind, glossy ads or not. I
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  Speaker 3: think they'll see him as a strong conviction politician for
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  Speaker 3: our times. GEMUTONIENI Caroline to a rosso, Thanks for joining
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  Speaker 3: me just a little bit of time to share some
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  Speaker 3: of your feedback from what we told you about in
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  Speaker 3: the US last week and Donald Trump's new sense of optimism.
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  Speaker 3: One viewer says, common sense has come back to America.
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  Speaker 3: I can feel it when I look around. Another viewer says,
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  Speaker 3: I've never been more optimistic in my life.
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  Speaker 1: I hope he delivers. And one last one.
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  Speaker 3: Trump is the kind of leader most Western countries definitely
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  Speaker 3: including Australia need today. A lot of people want him,
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  Speaker 3: but they haven't got him.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see what impact he has in Australia and around
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  Speaker 1: the world. Thanks for joining me. It's good to be back.
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  Speaker 1: Here's Peter Quidlin.