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The Vanishing Pages: Did the DOJ Withhold Trump-Linked Epstein Records? · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. If you listen to the DOJ and the
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Trump administration, they'll tell you that they're the most transparent
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administration and DOJ in the history of the country, and
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that as far as Jeffrey Epstein goes, there's nothing left
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to see here and it's time to just move on.
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And in fact, the whole entire thing is nothing but
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a hoax. But at the same time, the DOJ and
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the administration is not only with holding files that are
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related to President Trump, they're deleting files that have already
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been released that are related to President Trump. And if
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you're wondering why people are calling it a cover up,
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this is why the DOJ and the administration. They're not
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doing themselves any favors. Every time you turn around, it
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looks like they're advancing their cover up a little bit
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further and laughing at us the whole entire time. So
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in this episode, we're going to dive into an article
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from NPR discussing how these files have been withheld and
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some of them removed. Headline Justice Department withheld and removed
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some Epstein files related to Trump. This article was authored
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by Stephen Fowler. The Justice Department has withheld some Epstein
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files related to allegations that President Trump sexually abused a minor,
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an NPR investigation finds. It also removed some documents from
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the public database where accusations against Jeffrey Epstein also mentioned Trump. Now, look,
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I've said from the jump that we haven't seen any
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real evidence here anything that would hold up in court
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that point us to Bill Clinton or Donald Trump actually
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engaging in abuse. Now, there have been some allegations against
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Trump that have been made, and frankly, I don't trust
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the FBI when they say they investigated, because how can
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you at this point. But that said, it's about what
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we can prove in court, and certainly there's nothing here
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that we've seen so far that we could use in
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court and say, hey, look so and so was doing
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this at this time, at this place, to this person.
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But there's certainly a bunch of allegations, and there is
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no way that those allegations should be hidden, especially if
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it's a court case, a court document, something that was
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you know, set under oath, or if it was a
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statement given to the police or the FBI. Certainly something
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that should be looked at. Now, does that mean I
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believe everything that comes in most certainly not. I've told
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you from the beginning, not the fall for side quests,
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but the DOJ and Donald Trump himself, they're not doing
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themselves any favors when they hide documents, when they pull
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things down, all you do is further the suspicion, right,
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because the biggest problem for Trump right now is that
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this is an act of cover up. And how many
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times have we seen people go down for the cover
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up instead of the crime. So that's certainly something that
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Donald Trump needs to keep in mind and everybody in
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the administration honestly, because if you think that this is
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going away and that questions aren't going to be asked
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of people that we're in the middle of this, during
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this cover up, you're crazy. This is only just beginning.
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And I know that Donald Trump and the administration and
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all the stands want it to be over and want
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us to move on, but we're not going to. Some
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files have not been made public despite a law mandating
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their release. These include what appears to be more than
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fifty pages of FBI interviews and notes from conversations with
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a woman who accused Trump a sexual abuse decades ago
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when she was a minor. Well, according to the law,
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that should be released. Her name should be redacted, and
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it should be released. But the DOJ thinks they can
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do whatever they want. Oh well, just you know, go
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in here and we'll get rid of Trump's name every
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single place we possibly can. Did they think they were
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going to get away with that? No, they knew they wouldn't.
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They didn't care. That's what it comes down to. And
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I think that's what makes me so mad. These mforts
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are literally looking us in the face and given us
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the double middle finger. MPR reviewed multiple sets of unique
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serial numbers appearing before and after the pages in question
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stamped onto the documents in the Epstein database, FBI case records, emails,
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and discovery document logs in the latest tranch of documents
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published at the end of January. MPR's investigation found dozens
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of pages that appear to be cataloged by the Justice
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Department but not shared publicly. And they'll have some explanation, right, Oh,
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it's national security. Oh we couldn't tell you about this
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or that. But that's not what the law says. And
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at some point the people who decided to do this
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are going to be held accountable. The Justice Department declined
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to answer NPR's questions on the record about these specific files,
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what's in them and why they're not published? Oh, why
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would they Why would they give you any kind of
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inside book, especially in the middle of a cover up.
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The last thing they want to do is talk about it.
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Other file scrub from public view pertaining to a separate
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woman who was a key witness for the prosecution in
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the criminal trial of Epstein's co conspirator, Glenn Maxwell, who
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is serving a twenty year prison sentence for sex trafficking.
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Maxwell is seeking clemency from Trump. What I thought would
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never happen probably will now, with the way Trump is
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going and how there is some support for his nonsense
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amongst his most ardent supporters, I wouldn't be shocked to
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see Trump release Glenn Maxwell, followed directly by a PR
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campaign by the very same people who were given those
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white binders. That's the kind of life we're living, that's
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the kind of reality that we're living in. And these
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people are shameless. How many of those people that got
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those binders give a goddamn about any of this? How
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many of them have ever talked to any of the survivors,
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have read court documents, have done anything that would warrant
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them being given those binders in the first place. And
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I told you at the time it was a sy op.
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I knew it was the beginning of the end. And
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those will be the people that come out the loudest,
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the strongest, and with the most passion in their voices
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to defend Donald Trump. If he pardons Glenn Maxwell, and
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I wouldn't even be shocked to see Glen Maxwell hit
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the circuit and get on the podcast Benny Johnson's new
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co host Glenn Maxwell. It would be fitting right, Or
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maybe Glean Maxwell can head out with Nick Shirley on
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his next investigation. And I'm only half kidding when I
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say that some of those documents were briefly taken down
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and put back online last week, while others remain hidden.
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According dan PR's comparison of initial data set from January
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thirtieth with document metadata of those files currently on the
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Justice Department's website does not name victims of sexual abuse.
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Well that's a good idea. Maybe the DOJ should take
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some notes from MPR. When asked for comment about the
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missing pages and the accusations against the president. A White
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House spokeswoman told MPR that Trump has done more for
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Epstein victims than anyone before him. Yo, this is just
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too much. What exactly has Donald Trump done? I mean,
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he sent out Luna to drop a hand grenade in
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the middle of everything and call all the survivors traffickers.
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And she still hasn't clarified her statement yet. She's out
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here talking all kinds of crazy about this. That the
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other thing, she has no idea what she's talking about.
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Then again, we shouldn't expect anything from somebody who thinks
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that there is quote unquote interdimensional beings that are aliens,
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literally what she believes. But sure she's gonna get us
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to the Promised Land when it comes to Epstein and
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this investigation. It's truly bizarre. This lady has no idea
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what she's even talking about, and she's out here framing
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everybody as a human trafficker. And she made those comments
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not on the congressional floor, So she opens herself up
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to a lawsuit if these survivors want a sewer, and
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they'll tell you what. If I was a survivor, I'd
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think about it. Because her commentary has led to a
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bunch of morons running with it and saying a bunch
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of reckless bullshit, just as President Trump has said he's
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been totally exonerated on anything relating to Epstein, White House
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spokeswoman Abigail Jackson told NPR in a statement, you know,
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if you believe that you're dumb as the day is long,
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all Trump has done is implicate himself in the cover up.
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Is Abigail Jackson? Okay? Did she fall and hit her
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head before giving this interview? Was she hanging out in
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the sauna with Hillbilly Vanilli? I mean Kid Rock and RFK,
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rocking some jeans and taking a dip. Because I don't
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know where you come up this kind of ludicrous statement
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unless you're suffering from CTE. And by releasing thousands of
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pages of documents, cooperating with the House Oversight Committee subpoena request,
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signing the Epstein Files Transparency Act, and calling for more
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investigations into Epstein's Democrat friends, President Trump has done more
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for Epstein's victims than anyone before him. Meanwhile, Democrats like
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Aqim Jeffries and Stacey Plaskett have yet to explain why
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they were soliciting money and meetings from Epstein after he
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was a convicted ZEX defender. Well, she's not wrong about that.
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Stacy Plaskett needs to answer some questions. I mean, there's
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no doubt that Stacy Plaskett and Jeffrey Epstein were very
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close and that Jeffrey Epstein was giving her a ton
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of money. And that's just reality, folks. So it has
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to be uniform, right, if we're going to go after
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one person, everybody, every single person that was involved, every
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person that enabled this, every co conspirator, and everybody covering
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it up, all those people have to be and I
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assure you nobody has been exonerated. The White House has
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previously appointed to a statement from the Justice Department that
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says Epstein files contain untrue and sensationalist claims about the President. Well, yeah,
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I'm sure there are some, no doubt about it. Donald
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Trump isn't you know, Satan himself, And this isn't all
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about Donald Trump. But the cover up portion is he's
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the one behind the sticks, right, He's in control of
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this whole cover up. And in my opinion, that's gonna
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be Donald Trump's undoing when all is said and done,
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and there's a real investigation into this, there is no
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doubt that it's gonna find that this has been covered up.
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But make no mistake, this isn't just Trump's cover up.
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This goes all the way back to Clinton. Clinton knew
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what Jeffrey Epstein was. I don't care what he says now,
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we can't prove that, but he knew. Maria Farmer told
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everybody in ninety six. So don't tell me they didn't know.
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They knew, they didn't care. That's what it comes down to,
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and that's my biggest problem. The federal government has never
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done the right thing here. They've never stepped up, they've
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never investigated, and they've never held anyone accountable. So nobody,
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including President Trump, is exonerated. In a letter to members
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of Congress on February fourteenth, first reported by Politico, Attorney
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General Pambondi and Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche insists that
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no records were withheld or redacted on the basis of embarrassment,
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reputational harm, or political sensitivity, including to any government official,
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public figure, or foreign dignitary, which is a lie. Like
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they just continue to lie to us at this huge clip,
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and there's no repercussions. Nobody can do anything, nobody can
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stop them, and they just have unchecked power, I guess,
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And I know people don't want to hear that shit,
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but it's true. Not only are they breaking the law,
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they're laughing at us. In the last two weeks, as
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lawmakers have begun to view unredacted copies of the Epstein files,
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members of both parties have criticized the way the Trump
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administration has handled the release of the files. They have
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also continued to accuse the Justice Department of violating the
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law and operating without transparency in redacting information. And I
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think all of that's true. I think all of that's true.
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And the fact that they keep hiding it and they
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keep obfuscating the actual truth just adds more credence to
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the fact that, in my opinion, this is nothing but
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a giant cover up. According to the newly released files,
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the FBI internally circulated Epstein related allegations I mentioned Trump
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in late July and early August of twenty twenty five.
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The list, collected from the FBI's National Threat Operation Center
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included numerous salacious allegations. Agents mark most of the accusations
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as unverifiable. Or not credible. And look, I'm sure the
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vast majority were not verifiable or credible. I'm sure of it.
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But why are you redacting the information? Why aren't you
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releasing it to the American public. That's the question. That's
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what the law called for, not for you to hide shit,
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not for you to obfuscate, and not for you to
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tell us what we can and can't see. But one
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lead was sent to the FBI's Washington office with the
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purpose of setting up an interview with the accuser. The
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lead was included in an internal PowerPoint slide deck detailing
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prominent names in the Epstein and Maxwell investigation last fall.
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The woman who directly named Trump in her abuse allegation
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claimed that around nineteen eighty three, when she was around thirteen,
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Epstein introduced her to Trump, who subsequently forced her head
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down to his exposed penis, which she subsequently bit. In
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a response, Trump punched her in the head and kicked
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her out. Now, look, I have no idea if any
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of that's true, no clue. But what I will tell
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you is this, if it's part of the files, we
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should have seen it. There's no excuse for keeping that out.
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Out of more than three million pages the files released
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by the Justice Department in recent months. This specific allegation
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against Trump only appears in copies of the FBI list
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of claims and the DOJ slide show, But a review
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of FBI case file logs and discovery documents turned over
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to Maxwell and her attorneys in the criminal case against
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her zero point to one place the claim could have
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come from and how serious investigators took it. The FBI
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interviewed this Trump and Epstein accuser four times. That is,
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according to an FBI serial report and a list of
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non testifying witness material in the Maxwell case that were
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also released under the Epstein Files Transparency Act. Only the
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first interview, conducted July twenty fourth, twenty nineteen, is in
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the public database, and that interview doesn't name Trump. Of
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fifteen documents listed in a log of the Maxwell discovery
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material for the first accuser, only seven or in the
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Epstein Files database. Those missing also include notes at a
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company three of the interviews. The discrepancy in the file
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for the Trump accuser was first reported by independent journalist
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Roger Sallenberger. According Dan Prre's review of three different sets
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of serial numbers stamped onto the files, there appear to
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be fifty three pages of interview documents and notes missing
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from the public Epstein database. Oh I wonder why. I
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bet you if those documents named Bill Clinton, Oh, we'd
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have them right. But since they named Donald Trump, forget it.
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You can't even see it. In the first interview document,
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the woman discussed ways Epstein abused her as a girl,
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and in identifying him to investigators, showed a crop photo
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of the disgraced financier. Her attorney said it was cropped
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because she was concerned about implicating additional individuals, and specifically
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any that were well known, due to fear of retaliation. Well, yeah,
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that's been something that's been on the table. How many
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of these women were retaliated against a whole lot? How
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many of their lives ruined a whole lot? The FBI
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agents noted it was a widely distributed photograph of Epstein
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with Trump. A woman whose biographical details and descriptions of
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Epstein's abuse found in the FBI interview also line up
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with details from a victim lawsuit. In the December twenty
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nineteen filing Jane do four does not mention Trump, and
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the woman voluntarily dismissed her claims against Epstein's estate. In
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December of twenty twenty one, attorneys for this accuser declined
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to comment. So, look, is it verifiable? No? Is it
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something that could have happened? Maybe, But I'd say that
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this is one of those side quests. There's not enough here,
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certainly not enough for us to dig our teeth into,
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at least from the perspective of what the law allows.
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But as far as the cover up, I think it
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proves it. At the very least, it gives a lot
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more ammunition. You have all these documents that are not
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good for Trump, and they just magically disappear. They just
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end up not in the file case. I mean, come on,
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it's obvious that this is a cover up. Now, with
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that said, there's a lot of slacious information in here
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that is not verifiable and probably just not true. But
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that's all part of the sy op. And I told
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you that from the beginning you have to be able
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to discern what's real and what might be fantasy. And
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my suggestion is lock into the stuff that we can prove,
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or the stuff where there's evidence that leads to a
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certain destination, and then from there the walls will fall
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in because people will start talking, people will start rolling,
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and before you know it, you're getting to the meet
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in the potatoes. But there's no doubt that a lot
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of this is added as side quest missions to confuse
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people and make people think that everything's just a bunch
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of bs, and it's been very effective. There's a lot
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of people that point to these kinds of allegations in
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the Drop as evidence that everything inside this drop is bunk,
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which is wild because as outlandish as this allegation might sound,
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we don't know how it ended up. And that's because, well,
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there's a cover up. So if people have questions and
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people don't believe the official narrative, then that's cool too.
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I get it. And that's also on the DOJ. They
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created that nonsense when they tried to confuse people by
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dumping all this stuff together and not giving any kind
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of context about what's what. And they know that it
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causes confusion, and that was the whole point, right to
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confuse everybody and make it seem like this is just
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absolutely asinine, that this is all just made up, and
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like Trump said, it's a gigantic hoax. But I think
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they've done the opposite, and I think the vast majority
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of Americans have reached their tipping point. It's one thing
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to lie to us about, you know, politics, It's another
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thing to steal from us on a regular basis, like
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every politician does. But this is a step too far.
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Hurting children, hurting women, trafficking people, god knows what else,
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and then covering it up. That's a step too far,
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and I don't think the people are going to accept it.
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Elsewhere in the release files, someone in the FBI wrote
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on July twenty second, twenty twenty five, before the list
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and slide presentation were compiled, that Trump's name was in
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the larger case files and that one identified victim claimed
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abuse by Trump but ultimately refused to cooperate. Well, I
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wonder why is it that she wasn't telling the truth
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or or was she intimidated. Well, that's out of the
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realm of possibility dealing with these people. The other woman
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who's mentioned a Trump made the DOJ's presentation appears in
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maxwell discovery for files released last month in what's known
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as Testifying Witness thirty five hundred material list. The first
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interview of six with the FBI conducted between September twenty
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nineteen and September twenty twenty one, the second woman detailed
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how Epstein and Maxwell's abuse began while she was around
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thirteen years old attending the Interlocan Center for the Arts,
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and described how at one point Epstein took her to
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Trump's mar Alago club to meet him. Epstein told Trump,
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this is a good one, huh, the interviewer report reads.
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In a twenty twenty lawsuit against Epstein's estate in Maxwell,
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the second woman added that both men chuckled and she
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felt uncomfortable, but at the time was too young to
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understand why. So her testimony was used to put Maxwell
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in prison. My guess is she's a reliable witness. Do
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with that as you will. The interview was removed from
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the DOJ's public files sometime after initial publication on January three, thirtieth,
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and was republished February nineteenth, according to document metadata. The
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Justice Department told MPR the only reason any fil that
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has been removed is because it has been flagged by
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a victim or their council for additional review. Multiple FBI
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interviews with other people refer to the second women's meeting
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with Trump while she was a miner and being abused
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by Epstein. One interview with the fleeting mention of Trump
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was removed from the public database and subsequently restored last week,
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while another interview with the woman's mother is still offline.
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In that conversation, the mother recalled hearing that a Prince
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and Donald Trump visited at Epstein's house, which made her
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think that if they are there, then how could Epstein
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be a criminal? According to MPR's copy of the file
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that was first published, that was part of it. Epstein
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wanted to build that respectability, build that nexus around them,
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so nobody suspected anything. Right, send your kids to Epstein,
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no big deal, and unfortunately a lot of people fell
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for it. The possible omission of files that mentioned these
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women particular allegations against the president come as the Justice
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Department has warned about other documents it is published in
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full that include what it calls untrue and sensationalist claims
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about Trump. So there were only sensationalist claims about Donald Trump,
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nobody else, okay, good to know. At the same time,
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the Justice Department has removed and re uploaded thousands of
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pages in recent weeks to fix in properly redacted victim names.
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That includes documents related to the allegation from these two women,
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who separately say they were around thirteen years old when
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Epstein first abused them. Robert Lassman, who represents the woman
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who testified against Maxwell, sharply criticized the Justice Department's handling
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of the Epstein files. This whole thing is ridiculous, he
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told MPR. The DOJ was ordered to release information to
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the public to be tras transparent about Epstein and Maxwell's
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criminal enterprise network. Instead, they released the names of courageous
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victims who fought hard for decades to remain anonymous and
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out of the limelight. Whether the disclosures were inadvertent or not.
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They had one job to do here and they didn't
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do it. I think that really sums it up. They
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had one job to do and they didn't do it.
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And now they want to cry that this is just
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a big nothing burger, that nobody has anything to see here,
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that we should just move on. No way, not going
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to happen. A DOJ spokesperson told NPR that the department
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is working around the clock to address concerns from victims
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and handle additional redactions of personally identifiable information that has
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been flagged in view of the congressional deadline, all reasonable
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efforts have been made to review and redact personal information
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pertaining to victims other private individuals, and protect sensitive material
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from disclosure. The statement read that said, because of the
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volume of information involved, this website may nevertheless contain information
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that inadvertently includes non public, personally identifiable information or other
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sensitive content, to include matters of a sexual nature. Look,
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I don't believe anything the DOJ is telling us about
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this situation, and I fully believe that we're watching maybe
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one of the biggest cover ups in American history. And
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the wildest part is we're watching it in real time.
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And not only that, but they're doing it in such
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a brazen manner that it certainly doesn't look like they're
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going to deviate from this course anytime soon. In fact,
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it looks like they're gonna double down. So like usual,
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we'll keep an eye on this one as well as
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that swim through all the muck continues. All of the
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