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The Kenny Report | 25 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Lone from the Skoing New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 3: The Immigration Minister Tony Burke welcomes dozens of migrants from
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Speaker 3: Hummus controlled Gaza, but he keeps it all on the lowdown.
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Speaker 3: That exclusive story as the immigration debate heats up. Also
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Speaker 3: Labour's United Nations indulgence. How can they justify having the
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Speaker 3: PM and three senior ministers in New York all week
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Speaker 3: for this love in The nuclear debate is not going
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Speaker 3: away either. We'll cross to the UK to find out
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Speaker 3: how the US and UK are ramping up nuclear energy,
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Speaker 3: including with small modular reactors. Also Alexander Downer on Trump's
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Speaker 3: barnstorming UN's speech, Mark Robinson on Grand Final Week, I'm
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Speaker 3: here in Melbourne and the Brownlow controversy. Plus Tim Blair
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Speaker 3: and Mark Nicholson on selfies, bear hugs and please explain
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Speaker 3: the movie. Let's get cracking. First to night, our exclusive
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Speaker 3: report about the latest influx of Palestinian refugees welcomed from
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Speaker 3: Hummas controlled Gaza into Australia on Friday night. No publicity,
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Speaker 3: no fanfare, no announcement, even though yet this, even though
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Speaker 3: the Home Affairs.
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Speaker 1: Minister was there to greet them.
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Speaker 3: This was the scene as about forty Palestinians from Gaza
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Speaker 3: arrived at Sydney Airport last Friday, into the arms of
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Speaker 3: friends and family. According to one of the immigration agents involved,
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Speaker 3: some of these migrants were part of the initial three
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Speaker 3: thousand visas revealed by the government more than a year ago.
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Speaker 3: Others have been granted visas since. Most were approved initially
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Speaker 3: on tourist visas, but most now have been transferred to
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Speaker 3: longer term humanitarian visas.
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Speaker 4: We are here just you see of some evacuees are
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Speaker 4: from Gaza.
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Speaker 1: The vae.
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Speaker 4: The evacuation was organized by the Australian government.
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Speaker 3: Mister Darud had two clients among the group, and he's
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Speaker 3: hoping to bring.
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Speaker 1: More, he told me today.
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Speaker 3: These migrants had their visas approved while still in visa,
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Speaker 3: while still in Gaza, and they were facilitated out of
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Speaker 3: the war zone with the help of Israel week before
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Speaker 3: traveling overland to Jordan, where they had medical checks and
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Speaker 3: presumably some sort of security vetting. He is critical of
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Speaker 3: the Albanese government for not doing more sooner.
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Speaker 4: Again, it's too little, but there are forty or fifty
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Speaker 4: people from Gaza living to the air evacuated because their
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Speaker 4: kids are Australians and government Australia.
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Speaker 3: It's hard to think how Australia could do more from
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Speaker 3: the other side of the world, where our own prime.
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Speaker 1: Ministers were not a key player.
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Speaker 3: We are taking in the highest numbers of refugees from
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Speaker 3: Gaza compared to any other country around the world. It's
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Speaker 3: believed a total of fifteen hundred Gazans have arrived so far,
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Speaker 3: and yes there to meet them was none other than
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Speaker 3: the Home Affairs and Immigration Minister Tony Burke. A personalized
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Speaker 3: high level government welcome, but strangely there was no public
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Speaker 3: or media announcement from the minister. The overall intake of
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Speaker 3: refugees from Gaza has been criticized repeatedly because of potential
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Speaker 3: issues with providing adequate security checks. It's believed that most
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Speaker 3: of the arrivals are relatives of Australian citizens. This intake
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Speaker 3: comes as the immigration debate has hit white hot levels
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Speaker 3: around the country. Coalition frontbencher Andrew Haste has posted on
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Speaker 3: social media about how in the past two years we've
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Speaker 3: added nearly a million extra people to our population, with
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Speaker 3: hasty saying Australians are feeling the impact of Labour's immigration policy.
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Speaker 3: He went on to say that we're starting to feel
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Speaker 3: like strangers in our own home. This brought a sharp
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Speaker 3: response from Tony Burke.
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Speaker 5: Today, mister hasty one needs to decide whether he's whether
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Speaker 5: he's happy with modern Australia or not. Secondly, if he
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Speaker 5: doesn't seem to acknowledge the fact that net overseas migration
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Speaker 5: has already come down forty percent.
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Speaker 3: It's true that numbers have started to creep down from
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Speaker 3: the record highs of the past two years, but they're
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Speaker 3: still much higher than promised, and much higher than they
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Speaker 3: were before Labor came to power.
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Speaker 5: I love Australia. I see so much strength in what
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Speaker 5: so many people from around the world have brought here.
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Speaker 6: We're a better.
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Speaker 5: Country for it. And it's one thing to just sort
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Speaker 5: of give these emotional ah but this is bad and
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Speaker 5: total numbers. He's actually the shadow Minister, so give us
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Speaker 5: some specifics, which visa programs.
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Speaker 7: Would you come?
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Speaker 1: We can expect to hear much more on this debate.
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Speaker 3: But if Burke is so proud of his record, we
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Speaker 3: wonder why he didn't announce the cohort from Gaza that
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Speaker 3: he welcomed on Friday night. Indeed, why has he refused
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Speaker 3: to answer straightforward questions about the Gaza arrivals that we've
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Speaker 3: put to him via his offers. We've asked who the
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Speaker 3: group was, why the minister was there, why there was
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Speaker 3: no announcement, what security checks the arrivals have been through,
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Speaker 3: and how many in total had now arrived from Gaza
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Speaker 3: and how many more would come, and we invited the
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Speaker 3: minister on for an interview. The minister's media spokesman responded
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Speaker 3: with a line saying that they've got nothing to say,
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Speaker 3: just refused to answer.
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Speaker 1: Extraordinary.
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Speaker 3: The point here is that even the government has admitted
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Speaker 3: that immigration levels have been too high, and they've promised
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Speaker 3: to reduce them substantially, and they simply.
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Speaker 1: Haven't followed through.
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Speaker 3: And while they rail against hasty, their own behavior conductive, conducting,
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Speaker 3: secretive welcoming seramise for immigrants from Gaza of all places,
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Speaker 3: a war torn, HMAS run terrorist bad land, Well that's
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Speaker 3: not going to fill the public with any confidence at all.
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Speaker 3: And refusing to answer questions about it. Who do they
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Speaker 3: think they are? Getting a visa to come to Australia
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Speaker 3: is the golden ticket in life? Anyone would be mad
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Speaker 3: not to grab one if they could. That's why the
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Speaker 3: government has to manage migration carefully for the good of
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Speaker 3: the country as well as the good.
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Speaker 1: Of the migrants.
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Speaker 3: Keeping secrets about bringing people in from this hummus bad
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Speaker 3: land of Gaza is not keeping faith with the Australian people.
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Speaker 3: So we had that barnstorming speech at the United Nations
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Speaker 3: yesterday from Donald Trump, giving this sclerotic organization and the
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Speaker 3: many problematic nations gathered there a wake up call, a
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Speaker 3: reality check on war and peace, on the UN's role
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Speaker 3: on immigration, and on climate and energy. Well, we got
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Speaker 3: the polar opposite today and it came from our own
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister.
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Speaker 8: The reason this institution has endured, it's because it belongs
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Speaker 8: to all of us, because it has been built and
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Speaker 8: shaped by all of us, and it is up to
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Speaker 8: all of us to bring new strength to the United
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Speaker 8: Nations enduring mission.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, our dewey I Anthony Albanesi, the man who is
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Speaker 3: a member of the socialist Left faction and used to
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Speaker 3: protest against Israel on the streets, The man who says
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Speaker 3: Humas will just walk away from any role in Gaza
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Speaker 3: or a future Palestinian state. The man who says renewable
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Speaker 3: energy is reliable and.
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Speaker 1: Cheap and will change the weather.
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Speaker 3: The man who says record immigration has nothing to do
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Speaker 3: with the housing crisis in his own country. The man
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Speaker 3: who says Donald Trump is scary and then scrambles to
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Speaker 3: get a humiliating selfie with him.
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Speaker 1: Well, I guess with all that in.
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Speaker 3: His record, it's hardly surprising that Anthony Albanesi thinks the
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Speaker 3: UN is the future.
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Speaker 1: He's so all in on the United Nations that he.
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Speaker 3: Wants to spend tens of millions of your dollars and
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Speaker 3: lord knows how many tons of carbon hosting the annual
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Speaker 3: UN Climate talkfest in Adelaide next year. And he's even
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Speaker 3: topped that now, announcing that what will no doubt be
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Speaker 3: an even more expensive bid to grab a temporary spot
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Speaker 3: on the United Nations Security Council, a bid that's likely
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Speaker 3: to cost not just dollars but also foreign policy compromises.
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Speaker 8: This is a platform for middle powers and small nations
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Speaker 8: to voice and achieve our aspirations, and that is why
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Speaker 8: Australia is seeking a place on the UN Security Council
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Speaker 8: in twenty twenty nine thirty.
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Speaker 3: I hate that term middle power that he uses for Australia.
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Speaker 1: We're no middling power.
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Speaker 3: We are a significant nation and should behave like a
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Speaker 3: significant nation. And anyway, this deference towards the UN, this
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Speaker 3: throwing our lot in with the UN, was taken to
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Speaker 3: extraordinary lengths this week by Labor. Normally you'd send the
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Speaker 3: Foreign Minister to the United Nations General Assembly.
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Speaker 1: I did it many times when I worked for.
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Speaker 3: Alexander Downer, and if the Prime Minister needed to go, well,
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Speaker 3: then the Foreign Minister didn't. But this week in New
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Speaker 3: York we have had the PM strutting his stuff.
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Speaker 8: This is a place for the global spotlight to shine
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Speaker 8: on suffering and struggles that might otherwise be forgotten, and
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Speaker 8: for the international community to work together to advance our
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Speaker 8: shared interests and to tackle challenges we cannot meet alone.
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Speaker 3: And he's been aided and a bettered of course by
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Speaker 3: his mate, the ambassador, the former Prime Minister.
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Speaker 9: I am utterly optimistic about how we navigate the future
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Speaker 9: of the Australia US relationship and that's why we were
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Speaker 9: delighted to have the White House confirm this morning that
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Speaker 9: the PM will be back in the United States on
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Speaker 9: the twentieth October. To meet with the President the United
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Speaker 9: States in Washington, d C.
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Speaker 3: And the Foreign Minister and her team have been there
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Speaker 3: just all of those same efforts.
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Speaker 10: And we continue and we call for the establishment of
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Speaker 10: a Palestinian state, which Australia recognize this week for the
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Speaker 10: first time in over seventy years.
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Speaker 3: And then with all the climate grandstanding going on, the
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Speaker 3: Climate and Energy Minister and his team couldn't stand to
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Speaker 3: miss out.
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Speaker 11: There are remarkable opportunities, not just the jobs that can
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Speaker 11: be created in large scale wind and large skull solar,
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Speaker 11: as important as that is, but each and every day
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Speaker 11: a revolution being undertaken in our suburbs and our regions.
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Speaker 3: But wait, there's still more trying to take the lead
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Speaker 3: on social media bands. Not even the Communication Minister could
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Speaker 3: skype into the UN She decided she had to turn
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Speaker 3: up in the flesh too.
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Speaker 10: We want kids to know who they are before platforms
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Speaker 10: assume who they are.
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Speaker 6: We are on the sides of families. We are on
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Speaker 6: the side of kids.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's not as if there are any problems back
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Speaker 3: home with telkos. This is a ridiculous overkill, of course,
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Speaker 3: an alarming demonstration of Labour's priorities.
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Speaker 1: And of course, the taxpayer funded.
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Speaker 3: Broadcaster was there in force too, as I pointed out
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Speaker 3: the other night, spears, tingle and lions, because no doubt
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Speaker 3: the usual US crew couldn't possibly handle covering these stories.
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Speaker 3: I guess if you're talking climate action and demonizing Israel
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Speaker 3: and nanny state laws, everyone from the ABC was champing
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Speaker 3: at the bit to be there. The sad joke is
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Speaker 3: that you and I all have to pay for this.
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Speaker 3: We pay for this with the millions of dollars spent
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Speaker 3: on this indulgence, of course, but we also pay for
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Speaker 3: it with a government that's lost sight of the cost
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Speaker 3: of living crisis and its day to day responsibilities. It's
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Speaker 3: fallen for the sirens, song of the un crowd, global
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Speaker 3: talk fests, first class travel and fancy hotels. Lucky they
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Speaker 3: don't worry too much about their carbon footprints. Now, Liberal
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Speaker 3: Senator for Victoria Sarah Henderson will be joining me in
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Speaker 3: just a moment. But first up, when it comes to
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Speaker 3: the immigration debate and a lot of the controversially circling
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Speaker 3: around Liberal frontbencher Andrew Hasty, I want to show you
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Speaker 3: what he said about the party, about the issues and
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Speaker 3: about leadership on Sydney Radio this morning.
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Speaker 12: I support Susan. Anyone who's speculating otherwise is being mischievous.
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Speaker 12: My main concern is that the center right is fragmenting.
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Speaker 12: We've seen the rise in the One Nation vote and
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Speaker 12: other micro parties, and having us fragmented on the right
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Speaker 12: is very strategically advantageous for labor, and so I hon
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Speaker 12: simply saying what people out on the street are looking
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Speaker 12: for in their political leadership. I'm simply during this policy
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Speaker 12: development phase, building principal positions where I think we should go.
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Speaker 3: Andrew Hasey there, Sarah Henderson joins me now Live and
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Speaker 3: this year I good to see us.
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Speaker 1: Sarah, Chris great coverta thank you. I'll come back to
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Speaker 1: Andrew Hasty in a moment.
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Speaker 3: The first up, let's look at the government bringing in
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Speaker 3: refugees from Gaza. The Immigration Minister, Home Affairs Minister Tony
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Speaker 3: Burke there to welcome them. Wouldn't you normally talk about
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Speaker 3: that public will lea tell the public what's going on,
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Speaker 3: put out a media release, even answer our questions.
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Speaker 13: It's a very strange thing for Tony Burke, the Minister
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Speaker 13: for Home Affairs, to be doing going out and greeting
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Speaker 13: refugees at the airport, rather than addressing the big issues
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Speaker 13: combating the illegal tobacco and vaping industries, of course, giving
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Speaker 13: Australians a proper explanation about what's going on in bringing
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Speaker 13: Isis Bride back to Australia and also being open about
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Speaker 13: the one hundred thousand people in this country who've had
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Speaker 13: their asylum seecret applications rejected and they're still here and
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Speaker 13: we know no further information about whether they're going to
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Speaker 13: be leaving this country. And then of course there's the
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Speaker 13: immigration disaster in this country. So really I think Tony
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Speaker 13: Burke needs to stick to his day job rather than
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Speaker 13: swaning around out there with refugees, particularly when we don't
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Speaker 13: even know the circumstances under which they've arrived.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we don't know about security checks and the
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Speaker 3: honest we're very wonderful to see families reunited.
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Speaker 1: We all know that everybody would love.
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Speaker 3: To get out of that situation to be here, but
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Speaker 3: Australia's taking far more than any other country.
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Speaker 1: Why and what security checks are in place? Are we vulnerable?
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Speaker 13: Well, we don't know, other than we can only assume
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Speaker 13: this is for blatant domestic purposes. There were some three
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Speaker 13: thousand Garsands that have come to this country. There's been
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Speaker 13: very big concerns raised by the Coalition in relation to
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Speaker 13: the security checks. The average security checked time for each
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Speaker 13: person was about an hour. So we have very grave
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Speaker 13: reservations about these people who've come from Gaza because, of course,
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Speaker 13: let's not forget Chris, Gaza is controlled by Hummas. Hammas
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Speaker 13: is a terrorist group. Hummas is responsible for the terrible
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Speaker 13: atrocities right now in the Middle East between Israel and
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Speaker 13: so this is just not good enough from this government.
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Speaker 3: Well, Tony Burke flat out refuses to answer our questions.
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Speaker 3: So hopefully the opposition, through Senate estimates and the like,
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Speaker 3: might be able to get some answers on this. Related
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Speaker 3: to that, I want to get to your thoughts on
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Speaker 3: what else I opened the program with, and that is
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Speaker 3: the UN Now, as you know, I used to work
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Speaker 3: for the Foreign Minister.
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Speaker 1: I know how it works over there.
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Speaker 3: It is extraordinary to see the Prime Minister and three
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Speaker 3: other cabinet ministers.
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Speaker 1: All in New York all week, all swanding around. This
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Speaker 1: is the job for one person.
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Speaker 13: Well, they're swanding around primarily talking about our policy, and
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Speaker 13: that is the social media ban. That was a policy
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Speaker 13: announced developed by the coalition led by of course Peter
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Speaker 13: Dust when he was the leader, and we are very
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Speaker 13: proud of that policy. But now Labor of course is
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Speaker 13: forgetting history, grabbing the work of the coalition and now
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Speaker 13: swaning around in New York. I have to say, you know,
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Speaker 13: pretty disappointing effort all around, particularly when you think about
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Speaker 13: the cost so many people going across from the government
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Speaker 13: rather than focusing on the big issues here in this country.
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Speaker 3: Now we're just talking about immigration. That brings us back
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Speaker 3: to Andrew Hasty. He's gone out there with strongly worded
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Speaker 3: comments on Instagram. There's been sparring back from Tony Burker publicly.
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Speaker 3: Do you think that Andrew Hasty is placing himself as
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Speaker 3: a leadership contender within the Liberal Party?
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Speaker 13: Well, I think what Andrew is doing is raising the
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Speaker 13: issues that so many Australians care about, immigration, housing, energy policy, families,
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Speaker 13: the ability to buy a house. I mean, it's never
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Speaker 13: been worse than it is now under this government. So
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Speaker 13: he said, he's been a little bold in talking about
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Speaker 13: these issues, but he's prosecuting the issues that we should
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Speaker 13: be prosecuting every single day as we look at how
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Speaker 13: this government is failing our country, whether it's immigration, whether
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Speaker 13: it's housing, whether it's economic management. Debt is going up
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Speaker 13: to a trillion dollars and of course the terrible decision
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Speaker 13: that the government has made in relation to prematurely recognizing Palestine.
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Speaker 13: So this government is letting down Australians in so many respects.
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Speaker 13: So we are working very hard to be an effective opposition.
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Speaker 13: We know we've got to be challenged, we know we've
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Speaker 13: got a long way to clime.
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Speaker 1: How are you working hard enough?
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Speaker 3: This is the question, because I agree with you the
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Speaker 3: things that he's been saying are going to be ahead
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Speaker 3: nod for people around the country. It's the sort of
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Speaker 3: thing the opposition should be saying. But Susan Lee has
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Speaker 3: been invisible and there's this policy review and supposedly no
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Speaker 3: one's got any policy to advance. This is the point,
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Speaker 3: isn't it That the opposition needs to take up the fight,
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Speaker 3: and too few in the leadership are actually doing that well.
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Speaker 13: We've certainly made very strong policy announcement in relation to
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Speaker 13: rejecting Labour's regressive and horrendous twenty five thirty five climate targets.
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Speaker 13: We've made a very clear policy announcement about, of course
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Speaker 13: reversing the decision in relation to Palestine. But we are
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Speaker 13: going through a policy development phase and of course that
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Speaker 13: does bring with a chris some.
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Speaker 1: Frustration, creates a bit of a vacuum.
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Speaker 3: There's a little bit.
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Speaker 13: Of a vacuum. And look, I'm not kidding anyone. We
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Speaker 13: are going through a difficult time. We need to do
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Speaker 13: a lot of hard work to rebuild the faith and
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Speaker 13: trust of Australians. And there's no doubt the leadership has
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Speaker 13: got a lot of hard work to do.
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Speaker 3: And before you do that, as a Gelong supporting it
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Speaker 3: were open for the cats to get up on.
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Speaker 14: Go cats Cats.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Sarah, I appreciate it. Sarah Henderson,
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Speaker 3: their Liberal senator for Victoria. I want to get back
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Speaker 3: to one of the issues the Liberals need to keep
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Speaker 3: focusing on, and that is the energy debate. Labor keeps
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Speaker 3: ch championing net zero, but we'll know, of course, no
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Speaker 3: one's going to get anywhere near net zero without nuclear
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Speaker 3: power lagging.
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Speaker 1: Behind the rest of the world.
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Speaker 3: Of course, just look at the United States and the
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Speaker 3: UK now they've just signed a deal to build up
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Speaker 3: to twelve reactors in northeast England.
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Speaker 1: He is Donald Trump during his UK visit the other week.
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Speaker 15: The deployment of modular nuclear reactors across the UK, all
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Speaker 15: across the UK. It's been in the wind for a
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Speaker 15: couple of years and now we're getting it done, generating
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Speaker 15: more than fifty billion dollars in economic value, creating up
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Speaker 15: to two thousand, five hundred jobs, empowering one point five
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Speaker 15: million homes.
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Speaker 1: Let's bring in Lincoln Hill.
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Speaker 3: He's the director of Policy and External Affairs at the
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Speaker 3: Nuclear Industry Association in the UK.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Lincoln. Tell us what's at the
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Speaker 1: heart of this deal?
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Speaker 3: What you expect this deal to lead to when it
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Speaker 3: comes to nuclear energy in the UK.
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Speaker 7: Well, what the deals about is working together to deploy
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Speaker 7: advanced nuclear really to reindustrialize Britain. You look at two
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Speaker 7: of the core deals in it. You have an American
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Speaker 7: advans reactor developer signing a deal with one of our
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Speaker 7: big utilities to deploy advanced reactors in an area that
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Speaker 7: was a big industrial cluster. They had a lot of steelmaking,
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Speaker 7: chemicals industries which suffer from higher electricity prices, and they said,
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Speaker 7: what do we need to do.
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Speaker 6: We need to get advanced nuclear.
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Speaker 7: So they have the clean, reliable twenty four to seven
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Speaker 7: energy cut. Those energy prices bring back the jobs to
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Speaker 7: these areas, and that's really the key of the nuclear
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Speaker 7: offer is to bring back the jobs along with the
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Speaker 7: energy to the places that really need them. And you
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Speaker 7: look another deal that was signed at a utility American
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Speaker 7: Events developer to build a power station at the site
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Speaker 7: of an old coal fire station and you get a
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Speaker 7: data center in their power The data center so advanced
22:35
Speaker 7: nuclear connecting the economy of tomorrow, getting as those growth
22:39
Speaker 7: opportunities while reviving some of the areas have been left
22:42
Speaker 7: behind by the economic changes.
22:43
Speaker 6: The last thirty and forty years.
22:45
Speaker 7: And so that's really the unique selling point of nuclear
22:47
Speaker 7: here and why we've gone with this deal.
22:51
Speaker 3: And of course in the UK you're going big on
22:53
Speaker 3: wind in particular. When it comes to renewable it's not
22:56
Speaker 3: so much solar. You got to out a call a
22:58
Speaker 3: long time ago, different reasons. Really, you got a lot
23:02
Speaker 3: of access to guess. But the key is getting to zero.
23:05
Speaker 3: It's just impossible for any developed country to get anywhere
23:09
Speaker 3: nearing that zero without large quantities of nuclear energy.
23:13
Speaker 1: How does it stack up when it comes to costs.
23:17
Speaker 7: Well, our challenge is to bring down costs. But the
23:20
Speaker 7: key is here that we know how to do it.
23:22
Speaker 7: What we've got to do is we've got to keep building.
23:24
Speaker 7: You know, we stop for twenty five years. A lot
23:26
Speaker 7: of countries did. You've got to keep building, keep your
23:28
Speaker 7: expertise fresh, keep your workforce active. And then there are
23:31
Speaker 7: other things you can learn proven all over the world.
23:34
Speaker 7: For the model of how you do nuclear cheaper, you
23:36
Speaker 7: get your design simple, operable, buildable. You set that design
23:40
Speaker 7: before you build. You empower your project leadership. You make
23:43
Speaker 7: sure you plan well so that everybody's incentives are to deliver.
23:46
Speaker 7: But these are things which aren't actually unique to nuclear
23:48
Speaker 7: they're common to all civil infrastructure projects. And what I
23:51
Speaker 7: say to people out there who are skeptical about it is, look,
23:54
Speaker 7: we've proven this before. We've proven this before all over
23:57
Speaker 7: the world, all over the developed economies. We can do
24:00
Speaker 7: nuclear cheaper. We need to get back to the formula.
24:03
Speaker 7: And that's actually easier to improve project delivery than it
24:06
Speaker 7: is to change the physics. You try to defy the physics,
24:08
Speaker 7: you'll be on to a loser. You'll end up building
24:11
Speaker 7: competing parallel, redundant systems. It will cost you much more,
24:14
Speaker 7: and it's not something that humans control. Guess what humans
24:17
Speaker 7: control how well we deliver nuclear projects. And if we
24:20
Speaker 7: learned the lessons that we already did forty years ago,
24:23
Speaker 7: will be on to a winner.
24:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just makes so much sense.
24:27
Speaker 3: If you had a design that's tried and tested, then
24:31
Speaker 3: the regulators know what they're approving, everybody knows what they're
24:34
Speaker 3: going to get, and you're going to get it at
24:35
Speaker 3: a better cost as well. So all powers you are
24:38
Speaker 3: in that regard because it does make sense now, even
24:41
Speaker 3: in the UK.
24:42
Speaker 1: Of course.
24:42
Speaker 3: The latest big, big nuclear project that's been delayed and
24:47
Speaker 3: had cost over runs, the Hinklely Sea Reactor, I think
24:50
Speaker 3: it's called. This is the classic case that people will
24:53
Speaker 3: point to where you have a massive reactor, it's taken
24:57
Speaker 3: far longer than was expected than the cost has doubled
25:01
Speaker 3: I think, or certainly huge over runs. Is the ants,
25:05
Speaker 3: the nuclear reactors, the small modular reactors that could be
25:11
Speaker 3: essentially made on a factory assembly line and plugged into
25:15
Speaker 3: smaller sites all around the world.
25:17
Speaker 1: How close are we to having.
25:18
Speaker 3: Them rolling off the assembly line at Rolls Royce, for instance.
25:23
Speaker 7: Well, I hope we're close, but I think you will
25:26
Speaker 7: need a mix of both large and small scale nuclear
25:28
Speaker 7: and Inkley points C has taken a lot of stick.
25:31
Speaker 7: But you know what those guys took on the CHIN
25:32
Speaker 7: is reviving a completely dormant nuclear new build industry in
25:36
Speaker 7: the UK. You know, twenty five years we hadn't built,
25:39
Speaker 7: so we didn't have the workforce yet, we didn't know.
25:41
Speaker 6: The supply chain and those guys, to their credit, had
25:43
Speaker 6: to take on the task of reviving all that.
25:46
Speaker 7: Which further large scale projects, further small monulor reactor.
25:50
Speaker 6: Projects will all benefit from.
25:52
Speaker 7: And to the point you mentioned a little bit earlier
25:53
Speaker 7: about regulation, again, they had to wade through a design
25:57
Speaker 7: that was in progress in France and Finland. Here we
26:01
Speaker 7: made a bunch of changes to it that really added
26:03
Speaker 7: to the cost, didn't make any difference of safety. France
26:05
Speaker 7: and Finland know what they're doing on nuclears of safe design,
26:08
Speaker 7: but we made changes that ended up adding billions. I
26:11
Speaker 7: don't really think for much value, but small MALEGUS reactors
26:14
Speaker 7: have great promise to be part of the mix. I
26:17
Speaker 7: think because they can be deployed in more locations, smaller
26:20
Speaker 7: sites that you can be located close to industry, as
26:22
Speaker 7: you're seeing with this deal with the Americans. You help
26:25
Speaker 7: with the industrial decarbonization but also the industrial revival, so
26:29
Speaker 7: we keep some of these heavy industries that have been shedding.
26:31
Speaker 6: So many jobs.
26:33
Speaker 7: And what you're seeing now is this big wave of
26:35
Speaker 7: interest in the UK and the US from some of
26:37
Speaker 7: your big tech companies, some of your big industrial players
26:40
Speaker 7: that they can privately finance the projects because they're a
26:42
Speaker 7: bit smaller, easier, a bit to bite off and chew them,
26:45
Speaker 7: so to speak. And all over the world there's a
26:47
Speaker 7: huge opportunity to deploy these if we get that standardization,
26:50
Speaker 7: and if we get the developed economies who shared this
26:53
Speaker 7: goal of energy abundance, lower energy builds and industrial revival
26:57
Speaker 7: to work together to roll it out.
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Speaker 1: Fantastic stuff, Lincoln, thanks for joining us.
27:03
Speaker 3: We'll keep in touch because this debate isn't going to
27:05
Speaker 3: go away in Australia either. Thanks for joining us, Lincoln
27:08
Speaker 3: Hill there from the Nuclear Industry Association in the UK. Now,
27:12
Speaker 3: coming up after the break, I'll catch up with former
27:14
Speaker 3: Foreign Minister Alexander Downer and talk about the contrast between
27:17
Speaker 3: Donald Trump at the UN and our own Anthony Albanezi.
27:24
Speaker 3: As I mentioned, I'm in Adelaide, I'm in Mouthlade going nuts.
27:28
Speaker 1: I'm in Melbourne Grand Final weekend. I look at the
27:30
Speaker 1: mug I've ended up with here or thorn mug of course,
27:33
Speaker 1: so they knocked.
27:34
Speaker 3: Adelaide out of the finals. They didn't get much further.
27:36
Speaker 3: It's all about the cats and the Lions this weekend.
27:39
Speaker 3: But I want to get back to what I spoke
27:41
Speaker 3: about at the top of the program and the Alberenezy
27:43
Speaker 3: labor goverment with that mammoth contingent of ministers, advisors and
27:47
Speaker 3: staff at the United Nations in New York this week.
27:50
Speaker 3: Apart from the PM, there was the Foreign Minister, the
27:52
Speaker 3: Climate Minister, the Communications Minister, and of course former PM
27:55
Speaker 3: Kevin Rudd Noow as the ambassador. It was un overkill
28:00
Speaker 3: and the centerpiece for Anthony Alberanezi was recognizing a non
28:04
Speaker 3: existent state.
28:06
Speaker 8: This week Australia recognized the state of Palestine because, to
28:13
Speaker 8: quote from the Charter that forms the very foundations of
28:17
Speaker 8: this institution and reflects the very best of its idealism,
28:23
Speaker 8: we are determined quote to save succeeding generations from the
28:29
Speaker 8: scourge of war.
28:31
Speaker 3: Just the pinnacle of gesture politics. I asked former Foreign
28:35
Speaker 3: Minister Alexander Downer what he made of all this.
28:39
Speaker 14: Well, it's typical of the ideology of the Labor Party,
28:43
Speaker 14: which believes in multina lateralism for its own sake, whereas
28:49
Speaker 14: I suppose the center right of politics, it's much more
28:52
Speaker 14: enamored with the promotion of the national interest. So if
28:56
Speaker 14: you are a practical common sense person, you would know
29:00
Speaker 14: that the United Nations has been spectacularly unsuccessful in addressing
29:06
Speaker 14: any of the really big issues the world faces today.
29:09
Speaker 14: I mean, it's done nothing about literally nothing about ending
29:14
Speaker 14: the war in Ukraine, and that's been going on for.
29:17
Speaker 6: Some years now.
29:18
Speaker 14: It is completely played out of any negotiating role in
29:23
Speaker 14: the Middle East, I mean the Israelis and that Hummas
29:28
Speaker 14: people use the Kataris as their negotiator, not the United Nations.
29:35
Speaker 6: And when you think of.
29:36
Speaker 14: The conflicts around the world, the United Nations has almost
29:41
Speaker 14: no involvement in trying.
29:42
Speaker 1: To resolve any of them.
29:44
Speaker 14: So I'm sorry about this because I work for the
29:47
Speaker 14: United Nations myself for six years, but they really have
29:54
Speaker 14: been reduced to just a house of virtue signaling and
29:57
Speaker 14: nothing more.
30:00
Speaker 3: Well, when you talk about virtue signaling or gesture politics,
30:04
Speaker 3: that's Anthony Alberizi's approach when it comes to the war
30:07
Speaker 3: in Gaza are along with Britain, Canada and many other countries,
30:12
Speaker 3: recognizing a non existent state, they say is the path
30:15
Speaker 3: to peace and a two state solution. Donald Trump yesterday
30:19
Speaker 3: was far more pragmatic and realistic.
30:21
Speaker 1: Have a look.
30:22
Speaker 15: But instead of giving in to Homas's ransom demands, those
30:26
Speaker 15: who want peace should be united with one message, release
30:31
Speaker 15: the hostages.
30:32
Speaker 1: Now.
30:33
Speaker 15: Just release the hostages.
30:35
Speaker 16: Now.
30:36
Speaker 1: He's dead, writers in the Alexander. That's the way to.
30:38
Speaker 16: End the war.
30:40
Speaker 14: He's dead, right, if they release the hostages and stop
30:44
Speaker 14: the fighting. If Hamas stopped the fighting having released the hostages,
30:50
Speaker 14: everyone would thank them and the war would end. The
30:53
Speaker 14: war is continuing because they're holding the hostages and their
30:58
Speaker 14: can continue to fight the Israelis and shooting at in
31:04
Speaker 14: one way or another Israeli soldiers, So that is.
31:08
Speaker 6: Continuing the war.
31:10
Speaker 14: What is disgraceful is the way the United Nations and
31:15
Speaker 14: some left wing Western governments place all the onus on
31:21
Speaker 14: the Israelis to end the war, Israel should give up,
31:26
Speaker 14: Israel should surrender, Israel should leave the hostages there, and
31:31
Speaker 14: Israel should leave Gaza in the hands of people who
31:34
Speaker 14: want to eliminate Israel from the face of the earth.
31:38
Speaker 16: That is the request that.
31:39
Speaker 1: Is being made.
31:40
Speaker 14: And you can be one hundred percent sure that the
31:44
Speaker 14: Israelis are totally deaf to this pleading. It is absolute nonsense.
31:51
Speaker 14: It is performative virtue signaling, symbolic nonsense. It has no
31:59
Speaker 14: practical common sense value at all.
32:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, the left so often try to portray Donald Trump
32:08
Speaker 3: as the madman, but he must have felt like he
32:10
Speaker 3: was the only sane person in the room yesterday because
32:14
Speaker 3: the other issue where he spoke just common sense, an
32:17
Speaker 3: area where he's got a strong record, but where so
32:20
Speaker 3: many world leaders seem unable to even confront the problems right,
32:25
Speaker 3: let alone deal with them, is immigration.
32:27
Speaker 1: Have a listen to this.
32:30
Speaker 17: Not only is the UN not solving the problems it
32:32
Speaker 17: shured too often, it's actually creating new problems for us
32:36
Speaker 17: to solve. The best example is the number one political
32:40
Speaker 17: issue of our time, the crisis of uncontrolled migration.
32:44
Speaker 1: It's uncontrolled.
32:46
Speaker 17: Your countries are being ruined.
32:49
Speaker 3: Again, Alexander, He's so right when you look at the
32:51
Speaker 3: problems in Europe, in the UK, with the problems that
32:54
Speaker 3: Australia got on top of twice, and the problems there
32:57
Speaker 3: now that the US have finally gotten on top of.
33:01
Speaker 14: Well, I can tell you from long experience that when
33:04
Speaker 14: we stopped those boats coming to Australia bringing people illegally
33:10
Speaker 14: courtesy of people smugglers. Amongst those who were posed US was.
33:14
Speaker 6: The United Nations.
33:16
Speaker 14: They were vitriolic in their opposition to what we were doing.
33:21
Speaker 14: They've tried to stop their best they could try to
33:24
Speaker 14: stop the British from stopping the boats coming across the channel.
33:28
Speaker 14: They've chastised the Germans because when they let a million
33:33
Speaker 14: people in there was a huge public reaction to that,
33:37
Speaker 14: and the Germans have clammed down on illegal immigration. And
33:43
Speaker 14: where are the public hat in the UK, In France,
33:48
Speaker 14: in Italy, in Germany and all those countries. There has
33:53
Speaker 14: been a mass public revolt against illegal migrants pouring into
33:59
Speaker 14: their countries and they have British have been very successful,
34:04
Speaker 14: but those countries have at least started to crack down
34:07
Speaker 14: on it. But whereas the United Nations, it's encouraging this
34:12
Speaker 14: mass flow of illegal migrants. So no wonder Donald Trump
34:17
Speaker 14: is fed up with the United Nations, not just because
34:20
Speaker 14: the escalators was turned off when he and his wife
34:23
Speaker 14: were on it, which I thought was a little bit dissperty.
34:29
Speaker 1: Yes, who knows, who knows.
34:31
Speaker 3: There's a whole investigation into what was behind that. But
34:34
Speaker 3: just finally, on energy, Donald Trump again said he's in
34:37
Speaker 3: the cheap, reliable energy that's been the foundation of modern civilization.
34:41
Speaker 3: Yet today is Gigi Pink beams in from China and
34:45
Speaker 3: he pretends that China, the largest emitter in the world,
34:48
Speaker 3: that's still growing, a place that's building three hundred coal fire.
34:51
Speaker 1: Generators as we speak.
34:54
Speaker 3: Gigi Pink says they're going to start winding back their emissions,
34:57
Speaker 3: and the whole route applauds. I mean, this is again
35:00
Speaker 3: is nonsense, isn't it.
35:02
Speaker 14: It is nonsense because China, the world's biggest emitter, is
35:07
Speaker 14: continuing to build coal fired powerstations, gaspard power stations. So yes,
35:15
Speaker 14: they're they're sending out a message that they're moving towards
35:20
Speaker 14: the you know, greater dependency on renewables.
35:25
Speaker 16: But they are a.
35:27
Speaker 14: Huge emitter, a huge emitter, and of course they don't
35:32
Speaker 14: set themselves the kind of I mean unrealistic virtue signaling
35:38
Speaker 14: targets that are country like Australia, which produces one percent
35:42
Speaker 14: of global Coeo too, emissions that Australia sets itself. I mean,
35:47
Speaker 14: the Chinese may be Chinese Communist Party, maybe a lot
35:51
Speaker 14: of things, but it's certainly not mad. It's not going
35:54
Speaker 14: to sacrifice Economico and the living standards of its people
36:00
Speaker 14: on the altar of some United Nations target.
36:06
Speaker 3: Now they say what people want to hear, and the
36:09
Speaker 3: fools applaud them.
36:10
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us again, Alexander. A pleasure, Alexander.
36:16
Speaker 3: Downer all over it as usual and there's been plenty
36:18
Speaker 3: happening in New York City this week. We got to
36:20
Speaker 3: take a break because there's plenty happening in this city
36:23
Speaker 3: of Melbourne. In the days ahead, I'll catch up with
36:26
Speaker 3: Mark Robbo Robinson to discuss this week's AFL Grand Final
36:30
Speaker 3: and of course the week that was with the Brownlow
36:32
Speaker 3: controversy too. Let's get back in the footy properly now
36:40
Speaker 3: and preview the Grand Final. I've been sorted out now
36:42
Speaker 3: that Hawthorne mugger's gone. My son's helped me out here
36:46
Speaker 3: with a Crows mug it's much better fit for me.
36:49
Speaker 3: Let's catch up with Harold's son, former herold Son, chief
36:52
Speaker 3: footy writer and of course AFL three sixty hosts Mark
36:55
Speaker 3: Robbo Robinson joins us so Robo, we've got to I
36:57
Speaker 3: got to get your take on the Brownlow. First you're
36:59
Speaker 3: told last week it was Dakos and then then Daylight.
37:02
Speaker 3: I tell you what, He's very popular, well, the two
37:05
Speaker 3: of them, the Daikai as we call them, are very
37:07
Speaker 3: popular in Victoria.
37:08
Speaker 1: But surely a worthy winner in Maddie Raw. No much
37:13
Speaker 1: you were going to mention that. I knew in all
37:15
Speaker 1: week that you were going to bring it up. I
37:17
Speaker 1: thought I was rapped for Maddie Rail.
37:20
Speaker 18: Maddie Rail is the kind of player that's hard to ignore,
37:23
Speaker 18: and he's so ferocious at the contest and if you're
37:26
Speaker 18: run piring his games, he doesn't back chat. He plays
37:30
Speaker 18: a ball at all times. He's last up, given the
37:33
Speaker 18: ball back to the umpire, often makes a lot of tackles.
37:37
Speaker 1: He's he's as the.
37:38
Speaker 18: Per player very much in the mold of Patrick Dangerfield.
37:42
Speaker 18: We saw Patty last week in the primary final was
37:45
Speaker 18: best on ground by that far. But there's a few
37:49
Speaker 18: calling with people winching about Nick Dacos. I wasn't I'm
37:53
Speaker 18: rap for this young man?
37:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. I think he does all
37:58
Speaker 3: that work right under the umpire's nose. He'll throw someone
38:01
Speaker 3: to the ground and rip the ball out of their
38:03
Speaker 3: hands and take off with it. He's an absolute hard
38:05
Speaker 3: ball winner and that's great to see someone like that
38:08
Speaker 3: get the Brownlow. I want to talk about though, this
38:10
Speaker 3: fascination for the DAYCAI because it is a bit rare.
38:14
Speaker 1: It's big in Victoria especially of course.
38:16
Speaker 3: So have a look at this little radio exchange from
38:18
Speaker 3: South Australia where they talked about Brownlow Middle Night.
38:22
Speaker 19: Something else that was really interesting on Brownlow Night, and
38:25
Speaker 19: something our listeners have keenly had a look at, was
38:28
Speaker 19: the acceptance of the award. Richard Goider came out and
38:31
Speaker 19: before he even mentioned Maddie Rown, he had this to say.
38:34
Speaker 18: I know, I speak on behalf of everyone in this
38:36
Speaker 18: room in congratulating Nick Dakos on another magnificent year.
38:40
Speaker 1: Nick Vodan.
38:43
Speaker 16: What what heck?
38:47
Speaker 1: Why didn't he thank the third person? Matt? Yeah, well
38:50
Speaker 1: here you go.
38:50
Speaker 6: It's an interesting one.
38:51
Speaker 20: It's Matt Round's one that think it's a tad disrespectful
38:55
Speaker 20: towards him.
38:56
Speaker 1: What do you reckon? Robo? I agree with that. I
38:59
Speaker 1: was surprised.
39:00
Speaker 18: I was actually very surprised.
39:02
Speaker 1: We all like Nick Daekos. He's a wonderful player, and
39:06
Speaker 1: he possesses champion.
39:08
Speaker 18: He possesses such skill and finesse, and it's a much
39:13
Speaker 18: class that he draws. So many young people and old
39:18
Speaker 18: people are just.
39:19
Speaker 1: Amazed at how we can play. But he came running round.
39:23
Speaker 18: Now there is a fascination with the Daekos family and
39:28
Speaker 18: a lot of it I understand.
39:29
Speaker 1: But this wasn't Nick Dakos's nine.
39:32
Speaker 18: This was Matt Ral's night, and Matt Rail deserved all
39:35
Speaker 18: the accolades, and I mean.
39:37
Speaker 16: All of them.
39:41
Speaker 1: Yeah.
39:41
Speaker 3: Well, of course Nick Dakos and his brother Josh fantastic
39:45
Speaker 3: father son, recruits for Collingwood and will be for many
39:48
Speaker 3: many years to come. Let's talk about the Grand Final.
39:51
Speaker 3: Then they got the Asscroft brothers and talking about brawdlaw medallist,
39:55
Speaker 3: they got Lucky Neil. Now he's worked hard in a
39:57
Speaker 3: hyperbaric chamber and all the rest of it.
39:59
Speaker 1: Does he on Saturday?
40:01
Speaker 18: Absolutely he plays. I did an eighty minute training session
40:05
Speaker 18: today here at Carlton and boil reports went flat knacker.
40:11
Speaker 18: So he'll be playing. The question mark will be whether
40:14
Speaker 18: he starts as a sub or he starts on the ground.
40:17
Speaker 18: I think'b be tempted to start him on the ground
40:20
Speaker 18: and play Brish rebel in that role as the sub.
40:23
Speaker 18: He got a two times Brownlow medalists. He wouldn't put
40:26
Speaker 18: his hand up if he thought he was going to
40:29
Speaker 18: hurt the football club. So I'd be very surprised if
40:33
Speaker 18: he's sub and I'm expecting him to be in the
40:36
Speaker 18: Senate square at the first bounce.
40:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what.
40:42
Speaker 3: Like, he's getting a lot of attention, not for playing foot.
40:44
Speaker 3: He has actually been to the g and had a
40:47
Speaker 3: crack at snapping a couple of goals. It's the halftime entertainment.
40:51
Speaker 1: Snoop dog with a double g have a look.
40:56
Speaker 16: Kids, No way, No.
41:10
Speaker 3: You got to hand it to him, Robbo. He did
41:12
Speaker 3: kick the goal. That's well done for a first time.
41:14
Speaker 3: But he's been a controversial choice, hasn't he.
41:18
Speaker 1: Yeah he has. I understand why he is a controversial choice.
41:22
Speaker 18: I might be the wrong person to ask for I
41:24
Speaker 18: don't know any of his songs. I think some of
41:28
Speaker 18: the international acts of the recent years, starting all the
41:31
Speaker 18: way back with Lionel Ritchie and then Robbie Williams, and
41:35
Speaker 18: I've been on the ground and there was sixty seventy
41:37
Speaker 18: eighty thousand people singing the song.
41:39
Speaker 1: And I think if you're going to play.
41:41
Speaker 18: A musicians, play music that people can bounce along too.
41:46
Speaker 1: I don't know how many.
41:46
Speaker 18: People will be singing Snoop Dogg songs on Saturday.
41:51
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know any Kenny, because I don't.
41:55
Speaker 1: I don't mate, you cut me cold. I know James Bolt,
41:59
Speaker 1: so I know James Bolder. You probably know as well.
42:01
Speaker 1: He's a big Snoop.
42:02
Speaker 3: Dogg fan, but I've never heard him walk around the
42:05
Speaker 3: corridors singing any of these tunes.
42:08
Speaker 1: I liked him in Tasky Nuts and that was it.
42:14
Speaker 1: Great stuff, Robert Well. I enjoy the weekend.
42:16
Speaker 3: There's going to be a cracking game and we'll see
42:19
Speaker 3: we'll see who comes out on top of Mark Robinson
42:21
Speaker 3: there live for us from the country Victoria on what's
42:26
Speaker 3: just going to be a superb Grand Final it always is.
42:28
Speaker 3: We're going to get to a break on the other side,
42:30
Speaker 3: We're going to catch.
42:30
Speaker 1: Up with Martin Nicholson and Tim Blair.
42:32
Speaker 3: We're going to talk about Albo and Selphie's and bear Hugs.
42:35
Speaker 1: And all the rest of it.
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Speaker 3: Okay, it's time to call an official meeting of the
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Speaker 3: National Cabinet. We're joined again by Tim Blair from the
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Speaker 3: Daily Telegraph joins us from Western Victoria and here on
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Speaker 3: the set with me Mark.
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Speaker 1: Nicholson from step Mac Studio. Is good to have you
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Speaker 1: both on board. Look, there's lots.
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Speaker 3: Of stuff to poke fun up, but let's poke fun
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Speaker 3: up in this segment. But let's start off with a
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Speaker 3: very serious issue, and that is the crime wave, the
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Speaker 3: high levels of crime that are troubling the whole country,
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Speaker 3: of course, but especially in Victoria, and especially these machette crimes.
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Speaker 1: I'm about to show.
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Speaker 3: You a Channel seven report of the latest incident from
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Speaker 3: last night.
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Speaker 1: A warning though this is pretty confronting viewing.
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Speaker 20: Police have confirmed they're investigating yet another machete attack here
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Speaker 20: in Melbourne, just four weeks after the ban came into effects.
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Speaker 20: Seven News has obtained this exclusive vision which shows two
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Speaker 20: groups of men armed with machetes trying to stab at
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Speaker 20: one another in the car park a broad metto Is
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Speaker 20: Central around five o'clock yesterday. One person was hurt and
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Speaker 20: taken to hospital, but no arrests have been made.
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Speaker 3: Cheapest creepers, Mark, you're living in these suburbs.
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Speaker 1: Is frightening, isn't it.
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Speaker 3: I Mean, we're joking about handing in the machetes to
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Speaker 3: the bin, but the people are going to misuse them
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Speaker 3: won't be handing them in.
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Speaker 21: That's why I deeply regret putting my machete in the bin.
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Speaker 21: I'm one of the very few people that put their
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Speaker 21: machete in the bin.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 21: It's shocking about this, by the way, is the bins
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Speaker 21: of his It didn't work. The Victorian government, they didn't
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Speaker 21: get it right. That's shocking. Shock did it not work?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Well, and the police minister apparently it's pretty hard to
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Speaker 3: find at the moment.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I don't know what he's doing is grabbing
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Speaker 1: some bins together, to.
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Speaker 21: Be honest, did for getting out of here anytime soon?
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Speaker 1: Sim what are you hearing?
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Speaker 3: Are people seriously concerned about across Victoria and especially in Melbourne?
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Speaker 2: Of course, oh absolutely. But one of the main feelings
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Speaker 2: is the reflects on the absolute naivety of this decision,
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Speaker 2: Like if we put bins out there, these people who've
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Speaker 2: previously been using machines to chop each other up will
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Speaker 2: voluntarily surrender them. Of course, they will no harm, no foul,
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Speaker 2: it is. It's I mean, Marcus struggling for good reason
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Speaker 2: not to laugh, because it is ridiculous even as we
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Speaker 2: see the brutality that we're we're listening there. Perhaps the policing,
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Speaker 2: and you know, it's not the fault obviously of the
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Speaker 2: duty cops, it's the fault of their direction. Perhaps the
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Speaker 2: aim should be to maybe stop the people from using machelles.
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Speaker 2: Machetes by themselves are just bits of metal and plastic
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Speaker 2: and work the people wielding them altogether different different situation.
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Speaker 3: Arrest criminals, Arrest criminals, prosecute them, you know, come down
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Speaker 3: tough on this stuff.
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Speaker 1: Now it's old fashioned. The reason it's old fashionist because
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Speaker 1: it worked.
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Speaker 3: It's just that drives you nuts. Let's go to something
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Speaker 3: even more to pressing. Really, when you look at the
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Speaker 3: level of national leadership in this country, I wonder if
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Speaker 3: we can draw back to what Anthony Albanezi once said
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Speaker 3: about Donald Trump when he didn't think Donald Trump was
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Speaker 3: going to get back to the White House. He described
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Speaker 3: his attitude to Donald Trump, and this is what he said.
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Speaker 1: We have an alliance with the US, We're going to
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Speaker 1: deal with him.
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Speaker 8: But that doesn't mean that you're uncritical about it.
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Speaker 1: He scares out of me. Yeah, he scares. There's something
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Speaker 1: out of our bow.
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Speaker 3: Yet when Alback got the chance in New York to
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Speaker 3: run across are out of a reception, he went for
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Speaker 3: the selfie.
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Speaker 1: You have a look at this. I mean, how humiliating
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Speaker 1: is this? What do you reckon? Mark?
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Speaker 21: It's so low status.
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Speaker 1: Look at him. He looks like a fanboy.
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Speaker 21: He's blocked him off on the way to the Dunnies
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Speaker 21: and said, hey, can I grab a quick photo with you?
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Speaker 1: Look at that? Look at it? He looks like the
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Speaker 1: sort of like what do you reckon? Trump said on
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Speaker 1: the way out, I reckon? I reckon that blokes.
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Speaker 21: Mum had a few tile and I was back in
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Speaker 21: the day.
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Speaker 3: Actually there's a there's another selfie that that Albow got recently.
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Speaker 3: If you look at this selfie with Sam Mitchell, the
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Speaker 3: coach of the Hawthorne footy Club, I think sam Mitchell's
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Speaker 3: reaction might be pretty similar. Tim Blair I think pointed
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Speaker 3: this out to what Trumps might have been.
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Speaker 1: Mitchell who wants that man? Apparently he's the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: Tim is it's humiliating, isn't that? This Plug is not
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Speaker 3: some fanboy? He's the Prime Minister of our nation and
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Speaker 3: the first exchange he has face to face with Trump,
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Speaker 3: he goes for the fanboy selfie.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's following a bit of a tradition recently of
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Speaker 2: you know, prime minister or fanboy selfie. Noess, we've got
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Speaker 2: to ban the selfie for PMS Martholm Turbul was terrible
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Speaker 2: at it. Kevin Rudd was with a fanboy obsessive. There's
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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of them, crosses both sides. But with
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Speaker 2: the current occupant of the lodge. I mean you mentioned
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Speaker 2: didn't he say before the term that sorry that Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump scared the whatever out of him. Well, if that
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Speaker 2: was the case, there wouldn't be a lot of Albi
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Speaker 2: elbow left, were there.
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Speaker 1: Really, we'll having a go.
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Speaker 3: Albo also didn't didn't like the Tories apparently remember what
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Speaker 3: he used to say about Tories.
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Speaker 8: I I like fighting Tories.
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Speaker 16: That's what I do. That's what I do.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there was a Tory Prime minister in number
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Speaker 3: ten Downing Street.
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Speaker 1: To have a look at Albo. He's all over Boris Johnson.
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Speaker 1: He didn't want to fight this story, apparently checking out.
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Speaker 2: He's so incredibly insincere, like Albo is basically the perfect
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Speaker 2: modern politician.
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Speaker 1: All talk.
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Speaker 2: He speaks directly to his wording to no one outside
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Speaker 2: of that, and it's nonsense. There's literally no follow up
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Speaker 2: to it. He says that he's scared of Trump and
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Speaker 2: then then poses for him with selfies.
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Speaker 1: He's scared.
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Speaker 2: He says that he's going to punch tories out or
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Speaker 2: fight tories, and then he shakes hands with them. He
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Speaker 2: is totally bogus, and you know, apparently that works these days,
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Speaker 2: so you know, there you go.
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Speaker 3: Yes, inauthenticity, it's a bit of a problem.
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Speaker 1: Now we haven't got much time.
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Speaker 3: I've got to ask you about Please explain the movie.
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Speaker 3: It's out there, Paul and Hanson's talking about it.
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Speaker 1: You're the man.
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Speaker 3: How many voices do you do? Or have you got
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Speaker 3: stars coming in to play them?
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Speaker 21: So we're getting plan starts. We've got a voice for you,
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Speaker 21: Chris look in there as well. I've got to get
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Speaker 21: all the boys in the film. We've got to get
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Speaker 21: it in there now. It's it's a huge opportunity for us.
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Speaker 21: This is we're working our guts out on this one.
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Speaker 21: This is a huge opportunity. And if it wasn't for
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Speaker 21: Paul Aine full to give us the funding, the trust,
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Speaker 21: the space to be able to do it screen. Australia
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Speaker 21: weren't giving us the money. I only funded one other
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Speaker 21: film in South Australia. It was called Lesbian Space Princess.
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Speaker 21: So a couple of white fellows doing a conservative film didn't.
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Speaker 1: Can you give us a line? If you go on
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Speaker 1: an outbow line, you can just give us a preview
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Speaker 1: off I made off the top of my head.
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Speaker 21: In the beginning there was nothing except aboriginals.
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Speaker 1: Of course, that's how.
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Speaker 3: It's the start of the mole explain.
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Speaker 1: Thanks very much for joining us.
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Speaker 3: Mark Nielson and Tim Blair will catch up with you
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Speaker 3: all next week.
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Speaker 1: Enjoy Grand Final weekend. I'll see you then