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The Abdominal Brain with Dr Sabine Hazan, Consultant Gastroenterologist – Part 1 · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to another UK column interview. Well we
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  Speaker 1: are what we eat and my name is Debbie Evans,
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  Speaker 1: and for those of you that don't know me, I'm
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  Speaker 1: a trained nurse and I'm joined today by our great
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  Speaker 1: friend Cheryl Granger, who many of you will know, who's
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  Speaker 1: an independent pharmaceutical training consultant. And I'm also joined by
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  Speaker 1: Dr Sabine Hassan. And before I introduce doctor Hassan, I
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  Speaker 1: just want to make a few points because doctor Hassan
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  Speaker 1: is a gastro enterologist and she's based in the USA,
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  Speaker 1: so she's got up very early to speak to us.
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  Speaker 1: So thank you so much, and thank you also to
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  Speaker 1: our producer Stephanie Sinclair for facilitating this interview as well.
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  Speaker 1: But before I start, I want to say that the gut,
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  Speaker 1: it's a huge subject, so we'd already decide I did that.
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  Speaker 1: We we've really got such a big topic to discuss.
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  Speaker 1: This is going to be the first interview of two
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  Speaker 1: and we hear much research at the moment, don't we
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  Speaker 1: of the brain and the heart and other systems in
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  Speaker 1: the body. But how many of us really know that
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  Speaker 1: we've got two brains? Yes, really two brains. We've got
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  Speaker 1: an abdominal brain as well, and it's known as the
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  Speaker 1: enteric nervous system. And many of you might think, yeah, actually,
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  Speaker 1: you know what that gut feeling. I get that gut feeling.
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  Speaker 1: I go with my gut feeling. You might be worried, sick,
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  Speaker 1: you might have butterflies in your tummy, or you might
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  Speaker 1: go with your gut. So your gut is connected to
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  Speaker 1: your brain in your head, and it's incredibly important in
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  Speaker 1: the biggest scheme of things because when we talk about
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  Speaker 1: the immune system, where is the immune system? What is it? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think we're going to find out that a lot
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  Speaker 1: of it is in the gut. We've got ten millions
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  Speaker 1: of microbes in our gut that doctor Hasan is going
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  Speaker 1: to talk to us about because she has a wealth
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  Speaker 1: of experience in many areas that some of us might
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  Speaker 1: not quite trust as much as we did, perhaps in
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  Speaker 1: the old days, genomic sequencing, for example, laboratories, clinical trials.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Hasan is expert in all of this, and yet
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  Speaker 1: she has literally sacrificed everything, literally everything, in order to
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  Speaker 1: speak the truth. And we're just delighted to be able
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  Speaker 1: to welcome to welcome you both. So, first of all, Cheryl,
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  Speaker 1: welcome again. Thank you so much for agreeing to join us.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Debbie and Tello.
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  Speaker 3: Sabine, it's lovely of you to join us today, and
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  Speaker 3: we're looking forward immensely to what you have to tell us.
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  Speaker 1: We absolutely are, and Sabine, let me bring you on
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  Speaker 1: screen and say thank you so much for agreeing to
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  Speaker 1: talk to us. If you could just give us a
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  Speaker 1: little introduction as to who you are and why we're
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  Speaker 1: here today.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a gastr entrologist by trade that started doing clinical trials.
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  Speaker 4: I actually got into GI doing my first year of
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  Speaker 4: fellowship in research, and I kind of kept on with
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  Speaker 4: research and clinical trials over the last three decades to
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  Speaker 4: the point that when clinical trials became a capsule of
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  Speaker 4: poop and we didn't really understand the microbiome, I kind
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  Speaker 4: of stepped into the microbiome to understand it and doing
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  Speaker 4: clinical research, and essentially here we are today thanks to
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  Speaker 4: the microbiome telling the story and my genetic sequencing lab
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  Speaker 4: for GENA biome has been spear adding a lot of
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  Speaker 4: research and has published a lot of data on COVID,
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  Speaker 4: A lot of it that was censored, but I think
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  Speaker 4: it kind of demonstrated the corruption of science and research
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  Speaker 4: right now and medicine really and why we're not advancing
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  Speaker 4: or finding cures. There is a big problem going on here.
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  Speaker 4: We are, That's what I'm doing here.
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  Speaker 1: We are, indeed, and you've found out a lot of
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  Speaker 1: solutions which we're going to come onto and protocols that
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  Speaker 1: we're going to come on to. But I also want
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  Speaker 1: to tell people of your book. Let's talk sh exclamation
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  Speaker 1: mark T and that's really what it's all about and
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  Speaker 1: what we're talking about today. But Sabine, before we talk
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  Speaker 1: about what you've found out, which is fascinating when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to in inverticomas COVID, the gut is massive. I
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  Speaker 1: mean basically it goes from your teeth, doesn't it right
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  Speaker 1: down to your a nurse, your rectum. So which part
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  Speaker 1: of the guts? I know that we've got a diagram
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  Speaker 1: which we're going to be showing our viewers of the
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  Speaker 1: guts and it comes from it comes from your book, actually,
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  Speaker 1: So which part of the gut will we be talking
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  Speaker 1: about today?
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  Speaker 4: I concentrate on feces in the colon. So that's the
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  Speaker 4: part of the gut that we're going to talk about
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  Speaker 4: is really the colon because that's what I analyz as
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  Speaker 4: I analyzed the microbiome, which is really the feces. So
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  Speaker 4: not a very sexy topic, but a very important topic.
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  Speaker 4: And I think most people you know, tend to, you know,
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  Speaker 4: notice things when it comes to that region and definitely
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  Speaker 4: has been the number one complaint in the GI doctor's office.
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  Speaker 4: So I think something that we, you know, forever we're
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  Speaker 4: kind of like looking at the body the coll in,
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  Speaker 4: but we never really looked at the feces themselves to
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  Speaker 4: give us.
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  Speaker 5: An idea on the disease. And this is the.
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  Speaker 4: Path that I'm spearheading, that I'm looking at, and that
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  Speaker 4: i'm you know, trying to find solutions essentially.
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  Speaker 1: And solutions is exactly what you what you have found,
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  Speaker 1: and we're fascinated to know about the gut microbiome. And
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  Speaker 1: at this point, I know Cheryl is champing at the
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  Speaker 1: bit literally to ask you some questions. So I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to throw across to Cheryl to start off all the
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  Speaker 1: questions about what you've found.
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  Speaker 3: Out a lot of people, like you say, they don't
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  Speaker 3: like talking about who you know, it's something you don't
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  Speaker 3: talk about. They associate bacteria with illness. They don't expect that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, because they have got a healthy diversity and
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  Speaker 3: number of bacteria in the good that gives them health.
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  Speaker 3: They don't get that at all. So I think we
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  Speaker 3: need to go into that in more detail to explain
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  Speaker 3: to people that it's a good thing to have the
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  Speaker 3: right bacteria, the right type of bacteria in the right
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  Speaker 3: place at the right time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: No, absolutely, And I think what we've learned from COVID COVID,
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  Speaker 4: you know, was those were you know, there was a
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  Speaker 4: time in my life anyways that was extremely scary, I
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  Speaker 4: think for most people, and there was there were a
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  Speaker 4: lot of unknowns, but I think there was also a
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  Speaker 4: light at the end of the tunnel from COVID, and
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  Speaker 4: the light is really understepped.
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  Speaker 5: From me anyways.
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  Speaker 4: It was taking the courage to treat people, and in
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  Speaker 4: treating people, in achieving improvement of.
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  Speaker 5: Survival of one person after another. It was really a way.
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  Speaker 4: To understand the microbiome better because through treatment, I got
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  Speaker 4: to see how a virus was in the stools, how
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  Speaker 4: a virus was eradicated.
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  Speaker 5: In the stools with treatment, how.
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  Speaker 4: The power of the microbiome allows some people to survive
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  Speaker 4: COVID and some people to not survive COVID, and.
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  Speaker 5: I think that was, you know, that was the light
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  Speaker 5: for me, and also a lot of a lot of interesting,
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  Speaker 5: you know.
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  Speaker 4: Facts on this for a lot of people, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 4: because nobody really even thought to look at Wait a minute,
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  Speaker 4: my poop can like support me, can help me? If
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  Speaker 4: I have a solid poop, I can survive a virus.
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  Speaker 4: How does that make sense?
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 4: I'm having an infection in the lung. To this day,
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  Speaker 4: people are saying to me, well, you're a gas ter entrologist,
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  Speaker 4: why are you even treating a long problem? And I
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  Speaker 4: have to laugh because these people are complete, are completely
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  Speaker 4: ignorant to the fact that the lungs are connected to
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  Speaker 4: the colon, so you cannot fix the lungs without you know,
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  Speaker 4: having to deal with the poland to begin with, and
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  Speaker 4: having to deal with altering the microbes in the poland
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  Speaker 4: to make sure that you know, half happens.
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  Speaker 3: I think we've all been educated to think that we
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  Speaker 3: go to a specialist for one particular problem and that's it.
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  Speaker 3: And the specialists don't look at the whole body. They
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  Speaker 3: look at just their specialism. And that has been a
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  Speaker 3: downfall because obviously we need to talk about complete body health.
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  Speaker 3: So tell us some more about this microbiome, tell us
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  Speaker 3: about the functions of it, tell about the balance that
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  Speaker 3: we have to have in it. And then obviously the
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  Speaker 3: interconnections with immunity. Really, I think is the important bit
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  Speaker 3: we need to know about.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think we're going to end up finding out
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  Speaker 4: that immunity is in the gut. It starts in the gut,
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  Speaker 4: It is in the gut. It is those microbes in
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  Speaker 4: balance that's going to be the future. The future is
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  Speaker 4: really looking at these microbes and saying, you've got too
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  Speaker 4: much of these kinds that are not so good, and
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  Speaker 4: you've got too little of these kinds that are good.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe we need to up the good and drop the bag.
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  Speaker 4: It's really, you know, the problem with this is that
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  Speaker 4: it's not a necessarily a product. It's not necessarily a
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  Speaker 4: consumer product, right, And it's really the art of medicine.
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  Speaker 4: It's how do you fix someone that has an imbalanced microbiome?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 4: And especially since the technology is really not there yet, right.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, there's a lot of labs out there that
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  Speaker 4: are doing that, but they're not really validated and they've
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  Speaker 4: not really normalized their samples to even know, and also
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  Speaker 4: there's no clinical data right on it. That's what we're doing.
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  Speaker 4: That's what we're doing. We're looking at the clinical data.
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  Speaker 4: We're looking at what does Alzheimer's look like, what does
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  Speaker 4: Parkinson's look like?
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  Speaker 5: What does autism look like? Right?
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  Speaker 4: You know, so I think ultimately, you know, the microbiome
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  Speaker 4: is a complex organ and it is an organ it
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  Speaker 4: is where immunity starts. But at the same time, it's
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  Speaker 4: the wild, wild West, and it's a new frontier that
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  Speaker 4: we need to explore because there's so many things we
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  Speaker 4: don't know.
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  Speaker 5: And here's the other thing.
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  Speaker 4: We've we've trusted animal studies to guide us in this field. However,
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  Speaker 4: the animal studies do not reproduce human beings, and so
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  Speaker 4: you know, that's another challenge that we have. And every
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  Speaker 4: individual is different, so we can't even compare each other.
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  Speaker 4: One person that may think that they're healthy compared to
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  Speaker 4: another person is really you know, not necessarily only healthy, right,
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  Speaker 4: So you know, they may have the same microbiome, but
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  Speaker 4: the or not necessarily the same microbiome, but the same
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  Speaker 4: relative abundance of microbes. One person could be halfy with
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  Speaker 4: those microbes, and another person could be unhealthy so those
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  Speaker 4: are the challenges that you know are in the field.
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  Speaker 4: In my opinion, I think a.
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  Speaker 3: Lot of people don't understand that we've got about five
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  Speaker 3: pounds of body weight of bacteria living with us, and
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  Speaker 3: we couldn't exist without them being there, and therefore it's
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  Speaker 3: very important to look after this quite a large body
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  Speaker 3: of microorganisms, and so we kind of outnumber the number
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  Speaker 3: of bacterial cells we've got compared with our own body
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  Speaker 3: cells about ten to one. So hopefully people know that
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  Speaker 3: it's a big, big help. It's a big, big organist,
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  Speaker 3: you've just called it. So we need to understand that
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  Speaker 3: this is very important to us.
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  Speaker 1: I do because I've read your book, Sabine, and it's
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  Speaker 1: absolutely fascinating. It's really easy to read. It's for ordinary people.
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  Speaker 1: There's there's no language that you won't understand. And what
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  Speaker 1: I love about the way that you've written it, and
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  Speaker 1: in other interviews you've said that actually you are a
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  Speaker 1: gardener because the gut is like a big garden and
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  Speaker 1: it tends it should have beautiful flowers in it and
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  Speaker 1: it should be flourishing. But sadly, some of those fields
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  Speaker 1: and gardens end up as weeds, which is why they
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  Speaker 1: microbiome is so important. But when we when you first
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  Speaker 1: heard of COVID, and I say that in inverted commas,
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  Speaker 1: you were seeing patients as normal, right, and you were
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  Speaker 1: they were coming into your surgery and they were poorly
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  Speaker 1: and that's when you started to realize that there was
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  Speaker 1: much more to this than met the eye. What were
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  Speaker 1: your findings when you were seeing patients, because some of
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  Speaker 1: them were coming in and they were pretty sick, weren't they.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So, you know, I stepped in the front line
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  Speaker 4: really not really thinking that carefully, right, I just you know,
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  Speaker 4: you step into you know, you step into the frontline
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  Speaker 4: as a physician, like you're stepping into a fire, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and you're just trying to like throw water onto the
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  Speaker 4: fire and helping the neighbors to remove, you know, to
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  Speaker 4: stop houses from burning.
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  Speaker 5: Really, that's what it was for me.
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  Speaker 4: I just went in with complete faith, and I just
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  Speaker 4: went in with, you know, I'm just going to do this,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm going to do the research, and I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to see what I see, and if I don't see anything,
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  Speaker 4: then at least I'll have tried, Right, So I didn't
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  Speaker 4: really think thoroughly of what I was going to find
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  Speaker 4: and what was going to happen? I was, to be
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  Speaker 4: quite honest, you know, I think the pandemic for me
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  Speaker 4: was really witnessing miracles because when you see one person
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  Speaker 4: that should have died and doesn't die on.
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  Speaker 5: Your shift, you go, wait, what's going on here? Right?
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  Speaker 4: And then you have another one and another one and
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  Speaker 4: then they're hypoxic and there you know, oxygen is seventy
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  Speaker 4: And then you realize.
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  Speaker 5: Way you're giving the treatment that you believe is the
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  Speaker 5: treatment that's improving the gut and killing the virus, and
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  Speaker 5: somehow these people are surviving. How did that happen? Right?
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  Speaker 4: And so when you look back, you know, so the
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  Speaker 4: first instinct and I always said that, you know, from
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  Speaker 4: the beginning during the pandemic, we should have just turned
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  Speaker 4: off the fire. We should have like used as many hoses,
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  Speaker 4: as many buckets and just turned off the fire. And
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  Speaker 4: then said, okay, let's look back and see what has helped, right,
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  Speaker 4: And so in retrospect, when you look back, and which
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  Speaker 4: is what I did, you see the power of the microbiome.
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  Speaker 4: You see the power of diffitobacteria. You see that when
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  Speaker 4: you treat COVID, the one thing that you notice is
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  Speaker 4: you have a virus in the stools, and then you
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  Speaker 4: treat it and the virus disappears, and then you notice
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  Speaker 4: the bacteria that you were You know that put those
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  Speaker 4: people at risk of catching COVID to begin with, you know,
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  Speaker 4: start growing back after treatment, you know, a long time
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  Speaker 4: after treatment.
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  Speaker 5: But you see that that tendencies, right, you see what happened,
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  Speaker 5: you know with the treatment, what happened after the treatment?
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  Speaker 5: Long term? You notice like what how do people go
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  Speaker 5: to being long haulers?
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  Speaker 4: You know long haulers. We published is loss of bifit
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  Speaker 4: of bacteria. It's a microbound this biosis and I think
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people have discovered that and have talked
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  Speaker 4: about it. But also vaccine injury is loss of bifit
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  Speaker 4: of bacteria. We showed that the vaccines affect the microviolement kills.
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  Speaker 5: The bifit of bacteria.
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  Speaker 4: Is that what's happening when people keep getting COVID covid
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  Speaker 4: covid after vaccination because they've killed their vifit of bacteria
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  Speaker 4: every time after you know, how many of your friends
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  Speaker 4: have had the shot and said, you know, I noticed
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  Speaker 4: that I got COVID a week after. Are they immuno
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  Speaker 4: suppressed now? And therefore the virus comes in. You know,
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  Speaker 4: there's so much to this that I think the pandemic
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  Speaker 4: really you know, opened our eyes to that is important.
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  Speaker 1: Sabine, you mentioned biffido bacteria. Could you explain to everybody
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  Speaker 1: what because I know it's a really big it's a
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  Speaker 1: big agenda for you and it's been groundbreaking what you've
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  Speaker 1: found out, but can you tell people terms how important
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  Speaker 1: it is.
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  Speaker 5: So bifital bacteria is the bacteria.
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  Speaker 4: That is in your probiotics.
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  Speaker 5: It's that industry of I.
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  Speaker 4: Think it's probably up to a trillion dollar industry of
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  Speaker 4: probiotics by now. So that bacteria is very present in
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  Speaker 4: newborns and it basically disappears with the aging process.
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  Speaker 5: So essentially you're.
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  Speaker 4: Born with a lot of microbes and you die of
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  Speaker 4: a lot of good microbes and you die with very little.
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  Speaker 4: So there was a thought that possibly this bacteria could
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  Speaker 4: be you know, significant in health, right and thus the
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  Speaker 4: billion dollar, trillion dollar industry of probiotics. When you look
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  Speaker 4: at the microbiome of people that have disease, when you
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  Speaker 4: look at chrome's disease, when you look at all sort
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  Speaker 4: of collidis, when you look at invasive cancer line patients,
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  Speaker 4: those people have zero bifito bacteria. So you have to
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  Speaker 4: ask yourself, is the beginning of the disease the loss
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  Speaker 4: of biffito bacteria? And is this why it's a chain reaction?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 5: Everything in life is action leads to a reaction.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you eat a hamburger that where the cow
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  Speaker 4: is full of antibiotics and vaccinated galore, and then you
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  Speaker 4: get sick with postertium the facill you know, that bacteria
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  Speaker 4: starts secreting toxins, gives you diarrhea, and then eventually what
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  Speaker 4: happens is you need an antibiotic to kill that bacteria,
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  Speaker 4: but then you're killing off the whole microbiome. So a
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  Speaker 4: microbe doesn't just sit on an island. A microbe, you know,
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  Speaker 4: starts the chain reaction where action leads to a reaction.
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  Speaker 4: So that's really what I think the bifido bacteria.
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  Speaker 3: Can you say a little bit more about that, What
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  Speaker 3: is that's achieving in the body when it's imbalanced and
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  Speaker 3: it's actually you know, doing what it's supposed to do.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think we're at the beginning of all that, right.
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  Speaker 4: I think we're just right now we're studying that it's
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  Speaker 4: absent in certain diseases. We're studying how to increase it,
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  Speaker 4: how to sustain it, how to because if you notice
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  Speaker 4: a lot of because people would have a disease and
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  Speaker 4: would take these probiotics and say, oh, well, you know
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  Speaker 4: that would fix the disease.
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  Speaker 5: Why is that not happening?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 4: Why is it that people can take probiotics and not
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  Speaker 4: fix their chrome's disease or their lime disease because the
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  Speaker 4: probiotic doesn't either one, reach the colon. Two, it's probably
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: not real. In other words, there's no probiotic. There's no
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: bivito bacteria in that probiotic. Three, it's probably dead.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: These microbes are very sensitive. So if you grow them
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: in a lab and then you put them in a
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: capsule and you expose them to air. Remember, you know
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: most of the microbiome lives in the colon, which is
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: not exposed to oxygen, right, So it's living in an
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: anaerobic format, right form, So what is that What are
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: you doing when you're exposing all that to the air, right,
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: all those microbes to the air.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: So and then the other thing is how does it reach?
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: How does a probiotic reach from the stomach all the
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: way to the small vout to the sekum right. So
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: you know, it's it's a complex science. It's not one
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: that I can say, you know, I never put myself
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: in the rabbit hole of saying what it does what
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: it doesn't do. I just discuss my research that I've
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: done that validates others in the field, because unfortunately, the
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: microbiom is really about validation. It's about I did a research,
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Now prove me wrong, and if somebody proves me right,
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: then that research is valid, verified and reproducible. So you'll notice,
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: like I talk a lot of things, and I do
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: a lot of you know, hypothesis, they're not.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: Necessarily right until somebody else proves me right.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: And that's in danger as a scientist and as a physician,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: in my opinion, to say with certainty this is this
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: micro does and this and you should take this because
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: this way, because it improves this disease.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: I think it's a mistake. You know, all we can
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: say in science and research is you know what I mean.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: In my case with COVID, I you know, I've treated
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: thousands and I've lost no one. Okay, so that's a
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: step in the right direction to show well there's something
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: there right, maybe my protocols, maybe my way of treating
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: COVID was the way, and maybe we should kind of.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: You know, reproduce those ways. Right. It's the same thing
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: with Alzheimer's.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: I treated a case of Alzheimer's where the patient improved
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: his memory, and all I did was give him the
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: stools of his wife into his colon, and all of
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: a sudden he could remember his.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: Daughter's date of birth.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: So something happened when I changed the microboome of that
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: patient for that one case. Now, can I say fecal
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: transplant is the answer to Alzheimer's, No, absolutely not, because
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: this is an end of one. That end of one
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: needs to be reproduced, and then that end of one,
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: you know, may not be reproduced in all the Alzheimer's patients.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: Maybe Alzheimer's is a microbiome disorder in some Maybe it's
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: a neurological disorder in others. Maybe it's the pathway between
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: the brain and the gut. Maybe it's the stem cells.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's the you know, hype, you know, any any
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: of the components that are linked up with the brain,
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: you know, from the blood to the nerves, to the
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: lymphatics to everything. So you know, to get back to
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: you know, what was said before. You know, the body
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: is a complex organ that is all connected.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: So I don't think. I think a lot of the.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: Answers today you're going to have from me is probably
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: we don't know, and you know, we can guess we
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: don't know.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I think that's very fair, actually, and I think that's
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: what a hypothesis is about. And I know that you
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: have submitted hypothesis and they've been pretty much refuse. But
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: perhaps we can. We'll go on to that, and we'll
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: also go on, I think, to talk about fecal transplant
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: because I'm sure people's ears are pricked up and they thought,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: what fecal transplants? So we will we will come back
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: and talk about that. But one thing that I did
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: want to say very quickly was you brought up the
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: subject there of probiotics, because now that we've told people
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: what Biffodo bacteria is, many people watching are going to
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: be saying, well, we want to increase hours. Well we'll
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: give it a go. What do we have? And of
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: course I know that you did your own little study,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: didn't you on probiotics and you just went to your
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: grocery store and you analyzed what was in your grocery store.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: And I think it's a very sobering reality for people
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: that are watching now that are maybe thinking about doing
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: their supermarket shop and they're going to pick up a
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: load of probiotics. What did you find in your study?
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: I had killed my bithelo bacteria and I was drinking
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: a leader of Kiefer every day, and I couldn't find
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: bifilo bacteria in my gut from that leader of Keifer.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: So I tested the Keifer in my fridge and basically
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: noticed there was no bifito bacteria, even though it said
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: on the label Biffito bacteria. So I was curious because
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: here I am telling all my patients to drink Keifer.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: Of course it's not going to improve their microbiome with
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: mine didn't even improve. So I went to my grocery
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: store in Malibu and picked up a whole bunch of
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: yogurts and a whole bunch of drinks that said biffitobacteria
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: in them. And then out of the drinks, out of
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: the twenty six drinks, only three of.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: Them had bifit of bacteria.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: And it was shocking because here I am telling patients, well,
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: go get Keifer and improve, go pick up a drink
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: that has bifito bacteria. It was shocking to find out
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: that actually so many drinks didn't have bifito bacteria. It
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: was also shocking to find out that out of the
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: drinks that didn't have Biffit bacteria, not only did the
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: drinks not have Bifito bacteria, but even the probiotics, let's
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: say Biflo bacteria, didn't have a Biflo bacteria in there.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Sixteen out of seventeen probiotics on the market have zero
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: Biffito bacteria. It's just a gimmick. They don't put Biffito
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: bacteria in there. So consumer beware because that's the problem.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: You are thinking you're taking on some some probiotics or
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: some drinks that is improving your gut, and it's not
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: necessarily improving your gut.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Well, the next question, and I know that if our
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: audience could say this, they'll know that Cheryl and I
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: are both we've got our hands up asked because we
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: want to ask so many questions. And before I throw
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: to Cheryl for another question, can I just ask you
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: them for people that are watching. If we go to
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: our supermarkets and we're picking up probiotics that have no
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: biffodo bacteria in them, complete waste of mind. What can
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: we do to make sure that we are increasing our
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: bifodot bacteria. I mean, I've heard Saur Kraut mentioned, is
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: that what do you put in your diet, for example,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: to increase your by bacteria.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: So the first thing that I put in my diet
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: are vitamins.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: So you know, don't underestimate the power of vitamin vitamin C,
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Vitamin D increases the bifidobacteria, Zinc increases the firm acuities.
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: So you know, vitamin C, D and zinc.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: That's why all my protocols throughout the pandemic had this formula.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: You know, was very important.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: It was really I cannot emphasize how important it was,
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: especially as that was the key vitamin that I gave
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: all my patients. So and the problem is even in
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: the vitamins, there's a lot of you know, I ended
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: up making my own vitamins during the pandemic because I
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: didn't trust what was out there, and they're just vitamins
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: for our research, you know what I mean. But unfortunately,
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: if you look at the majority of vitamins products out there,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of fillers in them that actually make
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: them obsolete. They don't even help. So you could have
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: a person taking vitamin C, vitamin D zinc and it
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: didn't improve them. Then I would go back and say, well,
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: probably your vitamin had a lot of you know, stuff
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: in them that basically was not good you know, for
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: your microbiome. Okay, so that's one two, And this is
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: why you kind of like see a doctor do a research.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of doctors that I've trained
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: over the pandemic on the biome squad that I've you know,
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: helped out. So you know, anybody that wants to know
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: a doctor in the area, We've trained a lot of
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: doctors on how you know to treat et cetera.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: Saying that the grocery stores.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Now know, or at least the companies that make these
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: probiotics and make these probiotic drinks now know that there
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: is someone watching, right, And what we've learned from the
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: pandemic is word of mouth pr So when something works,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: it goes viral. Right like you saw ivermectin went viral
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: because it worked because people couldn't breathe. They were shorter
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: breath they took it and then all of a sudden
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: their chest opened up. What was the mechanism of that?
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: You know, by what why did this happen? Because actually
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: they increased their biffit of bacteria with ivermectin. But ivermectin
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: only does short term increase a bifit of bacteriity. There's
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: no data on it increasing bifito bacteria long term. So
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: how do you increase your bifit of bacteria when you've
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: lost it? You go back to a normal to your
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: diet that if you were healthy before, go back to
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: what you were eating. Increase fermented foods, vitamins, decrease the stress,
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: decrease the alco I actually tell all my patients one
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: glass of wine helps the.
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: Biffit of actor. However more than that doesn't.
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: But as you're building your bifito bacteria, it's probably not
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: a good idea to drink because you're trying to increase
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: those microps drugs.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: You got to be careful what drugs you're taking. If
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: there's some drugs that you're taking that are suppressing the microbiome, foods,
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: if there's you know, meat that you're taking that's suppressing
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: your microbiome, you know everything. You have to be kind
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: of a detective, and it's not easy. It is not
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: easy to grow what you have killed. So the best advice.
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: Is to stop the killing. Why I was so adamant
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: and why I was so strong. You know why I was.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: Such a voice during the pandemic with these vaccines is
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: because I was noticing they were killing the biffito bacteria
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: and one. And it's fine in those people that basically survived,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: and you know, they have a resilient microbiome and they
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: bounce back and their bithito bacteria comes back after the vaccine,
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: but it's not okay for those people that do not
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: bounce back, where they constantly stay. And believe me, I'm
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: treating a lot of those patients and you know, it's
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: like a flatline. You're trying to resuscitate them. It's not
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: easy to necessitate what has been killed. So you got
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: to be careful and you got to stop the killing
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: to begin with, and you got to stop drugs that
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: are killing. You know, when you think about a drug
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: like hydroxychlork when that was like deemed you know, you know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: it was great for like people that were severe COVID zero,
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: bivito bacteria, people with arthritis and people that have already
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: killed their gut. You know, that's a great drug for
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: those people, but for people that are healthy, that's not
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: a great drug because it kills your microbiome.
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: So you know, same thing with antibiotics. Antibiotics are good
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: for someone with a.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Pneumonia that's in the hospital, that's dying, or an infection
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: that requires an antibiotic, but it's not necessarily good for
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: that young kid with a strong, resilient gut. Now you're
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: giving him an antibiotic and you're risking dropping his bit
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: of the bacteria and him not coming back up again.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: That's really what the problem is.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: I think the confusion for people is that we are
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: food isn't as good as it was, Our diet isn't
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: as good as it was. You know, you've been drinking
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: all that CAFA for all that time, and then obviously
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: it's not been doing you any good at all. Really,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: it's not solving your problem.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: So you're blind.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: No, you don't know what you're taking.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: No, you're absolutely blind.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: And unfortunately that's what's happening, and it's the blind eating
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: the blind, right because here you're blind, and then another
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: person trying to sell their product. An influencer is selling
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: a product, and now they're in the limelight selling this.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: Product and they don't even know it hurts them.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, how many influencers have I treated that were
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: using their own products that they were, you know, raising
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: awareness on and actually that product ended up killing their
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: guts and then they killed the gods of others. So
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, we have I think people need
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: to be vigilant. I think we need to stop the
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: influence of healthcare. We really need to bring it back
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: to the doctor's office. We really need to have that
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: doctor patient relationship, and we need to educate our doctors
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: to understand the microbiome better, to step out of the guidelines.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: We need to encourage our doctors to.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Step out of those guidelines, to be brave, to innovate.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: You know, we've lost our medical feel And when you
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: lose your doctors, good luck when you're the patient, right,
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: because who are you going to go when you have
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: a doctor that's scared of giving.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: You a safe drug.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: So what we saw during the pandemic is a bunch
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: of scared doctors afraid to defy the government. As the
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: government is the doctor, right, So I mean at some
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: point we all got to keep our hats on to
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: realize who we are, what degrees we trained for. You know,
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: I would never you know, trust a plumber on you know,
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: on a colonoscopy just because he deals with the same
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: thing I deal boop, Right, So I think we have
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: to be you know, we the people need to stand
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: up for what's happening. Yes, you're right, we're blinded. But
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: here's the wake up call now that says we need
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: to demand of our agencies to have clean food. We
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: need to demand of our agencies to test these yogurts.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: We need to.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: Demand of our government to test these products. If it
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: says vital bacteria, it needs to have vivital bacteria. I'm
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: not the government. That's not my job. My job was
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: to do the research. I showcased something that's really important.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: Sixteen out of seventeen probatists on the market have fake label.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: Twenty three out of twenty six products with probotics on
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: the market have fake labels. They're fake. There's no bit
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: of a bacteria in there. It's up to the government.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: It's up to the agencies to step it up and say,
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: you know, we're going to start testing the product. Stop
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: testing the paperwork. You know, I've been in the clinical
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: trap business for years and almost three decades or three decades,
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: and I got to tell you, you know, the one thing
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: the FDA always looks at is the paperwork. Stop looking
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: at the paperwork. Hire an independent lab to test the product.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: You know, how do I know what's in that product?
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: The FDA needs to know they have the right formula.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: They need to test that, and they need to retest
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: it what's in once.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: It's in the market. Because here's the problem.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: A lot of products do great in the research and
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: clinical trials and then they get to the market and
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: it's a substandard product and we're having complications. What happened
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: from the clinical trials to the market, the product change,
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: the transportation change, the temperature change of these products. You know,
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: is that why these products are no longer working? You
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: know what we saw with you know, we're stepping into
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: the microbiome world right now and fecal transplant, as we
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: said before, fecal transplant. When we do fecal transplant, as
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: gastrentrologists for SEEDEDIFF, a condition called seededf and we take
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: fresh poop from a family member or a sibling or
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: a stool bank that we trust, and it's fresh, that
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: patient has ninety two to ninety nine percent success in
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: resolving Postridium difficil bacteria that causes diarrhea. Okay, when we
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: saw the pharmaceutical product, even though they showed some great data, well,
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: guess what, the data on the frontline of medicine using
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: those products not as great as my fresh group. Something
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: is happening, something's changing. So you know, we need to
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: evaluate better, and we need to make sure that these
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: products that are out there are actually doing what they're
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: supposed to do in the AfD and needs to test
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: these products.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Obviously people turn to different things.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: You're talking about Ibamactin is a filente product anyway, so
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: that perhaps is one of the advantages of it. But
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: you've got things like your vitamins. As long as you
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: get the right ones that are obviously made in the
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: right way, how.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: Is that helping?
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: How is that helping the bifido bacteria? Does it make
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: it multiply more or what effect does it happen?
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: What we noticed is the vitamin C, for example, we
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: publish that paper increased bihilobacteria within twenty four hours, the
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: vironmin C increase the bifhilobacteria. So that's what we notice.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Now does it increase it long term? Do you have
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: to keep at it forever? Those are the studies we're
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: still doing and looking at all that. So we have about,
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: you know, sixteen hundred patients that have been on item
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: on a vitamin product that we were testing to see
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: what is that doing to the microbiome long term?
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: Short term? Does it increase?
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: You know, I've I have patients that I tested, you know,
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: basically that I tested before and after vaccination, before and
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: after vitamin C, and those patients I continue to.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: Follow them and continue to follow their tools.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: So it's interesting to see, you know, there's something to this,
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: but it's still in the beginning. You know, we're there's
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: only you know, there's only a few of us doctors
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: and scientists that progena biome. You know, we need to
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: we need funding, we need you know, all these tool
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: samples are extremely expensive. You know, I don't stop myself
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: from looking at things. So if somebody tells me, hey, cuman,
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: for example, cuman improves inflammation, and then I'll be the
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: first one to say, you know what, let me test
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: those tools before and after in fact, we're doing cuman.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I'm the first one to test if somebody
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  Speaker 4: tells me, hey, this this product is. I'm working on
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  Speaker 4: a product right now with a gentleman which is going
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: to be a new drug with a gentleman from Switzerland,
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: and it's going to be a new product for als
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: and cancer.
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  Speaker 5: And let me tell you, it's.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: Unbelievable what it's doing to the befito bacteria. So I'm
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: very excited for this guy about this product because when
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: it comes out, when it starts in the clinical trials,
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: we'll have the data not only about the clinical trial
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: the efficacy because right now, actually that product is in
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: a phase three clinical trial. So there are pharmaceutical companies
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: that are doing it the right way. They're totally legit,
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: and they're trying to help patients along the way and
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: they're righteous, you know. And usually those are companies that
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: are owned by physicians because.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: They have a code of ethics for the most part.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: And so you know, this compound was in a phase
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: three trial and what we noticed is it actually.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: Increases the befito of bacteria by twenty percent.
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  Speaker 4: So this is something that I can put, you know,
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  Speaker 4: my company behind because I say, hey, you know what,
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: I tested this product, then it does what it's supposed
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: to do. Listen, there's a lot of products in the
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: market that actually increase the birth of the bactuity, none of
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: them that I can say on this podcast or say publicly,
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: because unfortunately it's not my job. Right the data needs
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: to be written first before it gets talked about, and
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: so that's that's the way it's always been and that's
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: the way it will be.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: This is such a big subject because the gut is
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: a very big organ and we're not talking enough about
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: what we're eating and where it's going. Because what goes
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: in has got to come out. So we're going to
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: be talking very much about your experiences with COVID and
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: your protocols and your work in the Senate in part
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: two of this interview, and just before we finish part one,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: and I did warn everybody this is a big, big subject.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Before we go to your last word on this particular
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: part of our interview, I just want to come back
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: a little bit on the fecal transplants because people will
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: be thinking, really really, doctor hasan you're taking fresh poop
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: from a family member in a like in a test
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: tube or in a syringe, and you're literally implanting it
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: in somebody else's colon in order to grow back that
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: beautiful garden of microbes. And I get that, And I
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: think my question will be, after the injection with mRNA
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: and spike proteins, etc. How would that affect? Because I
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: know that people are very wary about blood transfusions and
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: about whether things are being body products, bodily fluids are
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: being checked. Equally, I would say, will people be worrying
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: now if they want to go down the fecal tr
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Trump's plant routes as to how safe that is in
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four.
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Those are the This is one of those things that
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know if the mRNA stays
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: in the stools. I don't know if the mRNA stays
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: alive for that long.
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: I don't know. You know that those are That's a
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: good question. We don't know.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: I think we will know from like these products that
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: are on the market already and their success rate and seeing, well,
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: why aren't they as successful as before the pandemic? You
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: know what is changed. Right, If eco transplant, you know,
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: doesn't work as well using a family member or fresh donor,
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: then one wonders, maybe there is something in the stools.
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: We are developing a stool asset to look for spike protein.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: I think that's important.
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: We are, you know, and here's the thing.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: You know, when we process these tools, you know, I
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: mean some of us use the lab you know from
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: University of Minnesota or a fecal bank that's available for
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: doctors and also and those are processed very well. You know,
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: my lab, we do families and we have patients you know,
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: that want to know who their donors are.
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: So we do very extensive testing. We test for COVID
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: in the stools.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: That's why we're developing this spike protein assay to look
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: for spike in the stools before we transplant, because we
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: want to make sure we transplant a quality microbiome and
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: not just poop, right, because otherwise anybody could do that
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: in their kitchen counter. But if you do that in
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: your kitchen counter and you're implanting a micro dot's toxic,
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: you're pretty much could kill yourself, right, So you know,
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: there is a process of sterility within the poop, right.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's not just like we're taking fresh poop
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: and we're just planting it. It doesn't work like that,
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: although we do make it seem like we're just taking stools,
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: put it in a blender, you know, like the south
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: Park episode that you all saw where you know, they
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: take the poop, they put it in a blender, blend it
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: and put it in a pone. You know, it does
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: appear like this is how we do it, but you
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: know there is more to that, and it is kind
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: of a you know, semi sterile procedure.
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: And I always joke because you.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: Know, my staff, in my lab, everything is sterile, you
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: know when we do these transplantations.
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: And I always joke because I go, you realize we're
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: sterile when we're dealing with poop, right, But you know,
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: here it is. Here's the thing. It is an organ.
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: It's an organ.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: You have to start thinking of it as an organ.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: It's like a kidney, it's like a heart. Why wouldn't
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: you do a transplant if you have a gut that
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: if you have a microbound that's out of whack completely,
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: and you have a disease, why wouldn't you take a
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: healthy organ and implant it into human We actually put
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: are publishing data that's going to be coming about what's
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: in the poop, so you know, it's not only poop
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: that you're transplanting. So it's important for people to understand.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: You know, you've got blood vessel, you've got blood in
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: the stools, you know, so you've got to do the
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: proper workup to make sure that it's the bacteria that
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: you're transplanting and not the poop. Right, So you know,
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: that's an important concept that when we talk about and
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: It was named in a way. It was called fecal transplant,
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: but I think it should have been you know, and
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: doctor Alex Caruz says that it should have been called,
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: you know, microbiota transplant because it is the microbiome that
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: we're transplanting.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Not the poop.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: So you know, the poop is with the fibers and
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: the food and the blood and all that.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: So but we just are taking these tools.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Well, I want to thank you for that because I
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: know if you you're in the UK, our government is
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: very keen to have our pooh. Most of the population
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: have been sent bowel tests and they're very very keen
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: to have that, so perhaps we can talk about that
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: in part two. But do to you for your word,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: and I am super super grateful for your time. I
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: just want to give Cheryl the opportunity to come back
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: before we go to your last word, Cheryl, is there
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: anything you would like to add to this before we
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: end this interview and head for part two.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: I just hope that what we've said so far as
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: welcome people look to how important your gutzah and in
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: particular you call on and in particular the microbioon within it,
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: and whatever they learn about themselves to try and improve
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: that they should do it because it's a main part
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: of continuing with health. So hopefully we've got that message across.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and thank you, Thank you Cheryl for joining us.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: And if you like what the UK column are doing,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: and if you found this interview helpful, please share our
• 46:08
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• 46:12
  Speaker 1: details of where to find her and details of her
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: book will be in the article that will be directly
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: beneath this interview. So on that note, Dr Hassan, for
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: the end of part one, I would like to thank
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: you enormously for joining us and to give you the
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: last word.
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: Thank you again, well, thank you, thank you for having me.
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: And I think the.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: Last world is the last word. That would be hope
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: for peace and microbiome and save the Biff. That's my mission,
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: that's my path for increase awareness on beffelobacteria and make
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: sure that we still have it in this planet.