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Talks to Paul Dunn about his choice of Revenge of the Cybermen (2/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  The. The welcome back to a hamster
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  with a blunt pen knife. The Doctor Who Commentary
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  Podcast. My name is Paul and I'm here
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  with King Hammer himself, Joe Ford.
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  Hello. Hello.
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  I feel. Like you've been doing.
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  That for years. Sorry, I feel like you've been
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  doing that for years. That's very confident you're
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  looking for a job. Well, always so.
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  I mean, are we enjoying Revenge of the side, Menjo?
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  Oh. Well, I'm enjoying it with you.
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  Yes, I. Mean I'll watch it.
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  Earlier in the week on my own, I wasn't having half as much fun
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  as I am today. Oh, that's good.
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  I mean, there's actually something to be said for
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  watching something in a crowd as well, isn't it?
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  I mean, I know two of us isn't a crowd, but you know, if you go
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  to the BFI or something and sit and watch it, you laugh at bits
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  you didn't even realise were furnished. 2 is enough to have
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  fun though, right? Oh, apparently so.
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  I mean those BFI events are great, but did you ever watch
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  like do viewings at conventions? Yeah, I mean, back in the day,
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  because it was cheaper to sit in the video room all night to book
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  a room at the hotel, so. So you sat in there all night?
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  I have done on occasion, yes, yeah.
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  And I, I remember the Sontaran experiment being on and I
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  remember watching Creature from the Pit because I remember
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  watching that from when I was a kid and really loving it, you
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  know, So, you know, it was quite interesting to watch it as an
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  adult. I remember watching an episode
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  of Tomb of the Cybermen with Fraser Hines doing a commentary
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  on it in a very small it was the Utopia convention.
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  It was one of the Phantom Ones. And afterwards you probably
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  wouldn't notice about me. But I'm not great in crowds.
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  Like I'm not great in talking in front of a lot of people.
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  I get very nervous. And afterwards they were like,
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  has anyone got any questions? And everyone was going, Oh yeah,
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  Joe, Joe, Joe always ask questions for commentaries.
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  I could have just crawled into a hole and died.
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  I just. Couldn't think of a thing just.
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  No, and and you know, it just was like the and someone said to
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  me, you always ask questions, you always do commentaries, but
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  crowd things just aren't me. Oh dear.
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  Oh. No, I mean, do you thrive in a
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  crowd? Not really, no, no.
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  I'm better in a smaller group to be honest.
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  So I've actually. It could be a bit overwhelming
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  sometimes. It can, yeah.
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  Oh. Well, well, there we go.
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  That's my therapy session. Good.
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  I'm glad I saw it out. I'll send my bill in for you.
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  How much do you charge? Oh.
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  Wow. You made that sound disgusting.
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  Should we watch episode? I think we should.
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  Are you counting in this time, Jen?
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  How much do you charge? Wow.
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  OK, I will. I will in 321.
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  Off we go, and we're off again. Right.
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  Well, where were we at? What was happening?
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  Well, Sarah was arriving about with a big silver thing on her
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  neck. That's right.
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  Yeah, actually in a minute, you know, when she's sort of doing
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  the the writhing actor, but like the heavy breathing.
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  Yeah, it's really. Convincing, I think.
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  Yeah, yeah. I mean, she's a support actress,
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  isn't she? I mean you, you really buy it
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  all. When you look at her
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  autobiography, she came away from acting to have Sadie and
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  bring up her family. Yeah.
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  I think she, like Barry, let's always say she could have had an
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  incredible career if she'd have really thrown herself into all
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  the past that she could do. Yeah.
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  She didn't, did she? She held back a bit.
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  No, but it wasn't it lovely that she sort of had a career, a bit
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  of an Indian summer. Oh, gorgeous.
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  Yeah. Did you like the Sarah Jane of
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  edges? Oh yes, Because I felt that was
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  more like Doctor Who. But I used to watch, so I quite
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  used to like the 25 minutes and, you know, cliffhanger.
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  Sometimes it was better than the new series.
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  Sometimes, yeah. When this is going to be
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  controversial When series 5 of Doctor Who and series 4 of Sarah
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  Jane came out at the same time, I prefer series 4 Sarah Jane.
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  Really. Yeah, it's a.
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  Great year. Nightmare man out of time.
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  Oh yeah, yeah. Brilliant.
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  Is that the one that's got the thing with?
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  Because the Clyde Langer is that that's it.
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  That was the last series, that was the 5th, but that was a
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  banger as well. That was a good one, wasn't it?
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  Yeah. And the one with Matt Smith as
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  well. And Joe?
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  Oh yes, with the giant turkeys, yeah.
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  They called the Shan chief. Was that it?
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  I think so, yeah. We'll go with that.
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  But yeah, I mean, oh wow, it's always lovely.
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  See Katie Manning, isn't it? So.
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  Have you met her? Yeah, she's lovely.
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  She always gives everyone like 5 minutes.
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  That's why I owe you so long. You get the best hugs, don't
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  you? She's a very generous woman with
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  her time. She's lovely, yeah.
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  Although you know what, she's getting £20 a time so should be
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  like. Well, that's right.
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  She owns it though. The stakes are pretty high now,
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  though. Right before it was a plague and
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  we're sort of mildly invested now.
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  Sarah's infected. So they're going to send it down
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  to the surface. So what is it?
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  I mean, I've not been paying attention.
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  What is it on the surface that's going to stop the infection?
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  Is it the gold? No, I think he says that by
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  putting her through the beam it can isolate the poison and
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  extract it, so when she lands the poison won't be there
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  anymore. OK.
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  Because not a scientist, all right, but when you sort of get
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  turned into bits, don't. You're in a transporter bee.
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  Oh. Yes, that's right.
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  You sort of disperse and go back together again.
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  Yeah. So I'd like to imagine when
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  Sarah and Harry were in bits, they were sort of like a laser
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  gun go getting all the poison and then they were fine when
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  they were put back together again.
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  Very scientific. Yes, it is.
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  He's up to no good. What's going on there?
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  Oh, there's a great bit now where Tomas to put the two wires
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  together. Oh, he does that really well,
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  doesn't he? He.
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  Gets a shock like right in the face.
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  Yeah. That is nasty, that poison.
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  He looks, yeah. You ever been that poorly?
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  Did you ever have COVID? I never had COVID once, I had it
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  twice. So did you.
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  Yeah, it didn't look like that, but it felt like that.
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  Yeah. Paul, I've got another question
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  for you. Skyrocket of voruses?
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  Yeah. I mean, what is going on with
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  the design of the spaceships this week?
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  Well, I mean, well, yeah, it's got to be that shape because
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  it's aerodynamic, isn't it? Oh, that's right.
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  Yes. OK, scientific rationale.
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  Thank you very much. What about and it looks like a
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  penis It. Does look like a yes, that was,
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  that's what I was going for, yeah.
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  I mean, is this the most bling city we've ever been to?
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  It's very nice. Well, it's gold, isn't it?
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  Everything's gold. So just laying about with, Harry
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  said. You'd get a bit bored with it
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  though after a while, wouldn't you?
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  Yeah. But I mean, obviously it's not
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  much good really on Voguer, is it?
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  Because there's lots of it, so it's not actually worth
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  anything. What's your only worth value if
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  you take it somewhere? What's what's not valuable here,
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  though, Like gravel? Would be.
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  Yeah, maybe that's right. I mean.
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  Salt. Mud.
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  Mud. Yeah.
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  What? Let's do an exchange.
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  You have some muds. We'll have some gold.
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  Thank you very much. Fair enough.
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  Oh, that's right, they're going after Kelman now, aren't they?
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  Oh, because they think he's got the bit that will allow the
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  transporter to. Work to go.
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  Yes, Yeah. I mean, this is quite tense
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  because, I mean, you know, are they going to get, I mean,
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  obviously they are going to get a down there, but yeah, Oh dear.
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  Yeah, the way he grabs his face. Yeah, but it works.
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  Tom does pain extremely. You remember that bit in Terror,
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  the Cycles when he does the electric shooting?
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  Through it he's screaming yeah. Because is that where he holds
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  onto the 2 nipples and he sort of that's.
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  That's the bit, yes. That's the bit.
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  And he does it, does it convince me in Perimus the Mars as well,
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  doesn't he? So oh.
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  Well, he's. Pushed against.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's he is a terrific.
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  I think we forget because he's so charismatic and he's so
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  funny. You forget just what an
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  effortless actor he is. He.
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  Is that's right. This is all rather lovely, isn't
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  it? When I get down to the service
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  and she and she's like stop calling me old thing and.
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  This is the interaction everyone loves, isn't?
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  It Yeah, Harry, I mean, would you like to think to the state
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  for another series? Yes and no.
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  It's a tricky 1 because yes, because I think their
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  interaction is fabulous. No, because I think Sarah gets a
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  ton of agency next year and load like like I I wouldn't want to
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  put another companion in Caesar Doom.
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  I think she's fabulous in that. Yes.
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  It's a tricky one. What about you?
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  I'd like to have seen him do another year.
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  I'm slightly disappointed with the last story he did do the
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  Anvil invasion because I didn't think he was very well served.
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  I mean, I know he was playing the facsimile of himself, but as
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  it's the last time they see him, you would have thought they
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  would have made a bit more of him going away.
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  But you know. He's just there, isn't he?
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  In Android Invasion he doesn't really have an active role.
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  No, no, he's just gone, isn't he?
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  As for Benson, poor old Benson. Oh, well, he Yeah, that's right.
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  He's. So weird, isn't it?
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  The second you go on film in these caves, it feels like we're
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  in a really expensive production now.
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  That's right. Now these little boats, is it?
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  Is this not one of these things that this Slayden was on?
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  She nearly went down the little owl at the back and some the
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  stuntman had to jump in to rescue.
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  Yeah. She tells the story in
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  autobiography. She goes, I told Michael Lee
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  Bryant that that was too dangerous and he said, no,
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  you'll be fine, you'll be fine. They said it's fine and then
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  obviously she fell in, nearly died and then he didn't see, he
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  scarpered. The health and safety people
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  looked after her and she saw him in the pub later that night when
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  she'd had a bath and everything and she tore his head off.
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  Well, I'm not surprised. I mean, I mean, you just
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  wouldn't do that now anyway, would you, with your principal
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  actors or? I think there's just a lot of
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  safety rules now, isn't? There, Yeah.
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  Oh, look at this stand off in the corridor.
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  Machine guns there. Oh.
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  Right, what's going to happen? I'm not sure why this all seems
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  so much more gripping when I'm watching it with you.
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  Well, I mean, that's my natural charm, isn't it, I?
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  Must. Be oh hang on, I've got a bit of
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  a problem. My iPlayer has gone off.
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  Oh, Oh my God, hang on. Hang on a minute, sorry.
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  Pause. Pause, everybody.
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  Well, there we go. We're going again.
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  We're. Going OK, right.
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  Oh, let's just assume we're in the same place.
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  We'll be roughly in the right place.
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  I've got Vogans sort of going down the corridor now.
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  Yeah, well, they're getting on their little train now.
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  That's. Right, that's quite nice
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  actually. Is that the same train from
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  Genesis to the Daleks? I think so.
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  Isn't that the the thing they use in the studio to do the?
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  Is that right? What to do Like tracking shots
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  and. Things.
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  Yeah, yeah, I think so. Or the thing they used to sort
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  of transport scenery about well. That's a good use of.
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  Something resources, yeah. OK, the doctors now figuring it
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  all out. He's a clever man, right?
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  I'm going to kick you in with another question if you're ready
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  for this. Yeah, go for it.
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  OK, Andy Parkinson asks. I've always liked this story.
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  I'd rather watch Revenge of the Cyberman than The Genesis of the
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  Daleks. Where does this sit in your
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  Cyberman story rankings? It's although I really like it.
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  I mean, there's no way you can say it's on a par with Earth
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  shock, for example, or, or do you know what?
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  I really love that. I know this is not popular, but
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  I really love the moon base. I think the moon base.
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  I actually prefer moon base, the tomb at the side and then.
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  I I do understand that like I like Tomb because it is a bit
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  like a bee movie, is stylish as hell.
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  The moon base. Oh yeah, yeah, I love the moon
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  base. And I mean, I love the fact they
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  think you can sort of stop the air getting out by putting the
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  tea tray over a hole. But.
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  Jason Thompson assures me that is scientifically.
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  Accurate. Oh, is that correct?
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  That can. Be done.
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  He would know, all right. I wouldn't question.
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  Him on the science. Fair enough.
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  Yeah. So this is like a mid range
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  sideman story. I mean, I've put silver Nemesis.
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  Underneath this. Yes.
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  So what I think what we'd have to have is we'd have to have
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  Earth shock, the invasion, the Moon base 2 this and then Silver
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  Nemesis down the bottom. Oh no, I quite like Attack on
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  the Sideman action, so that'd be some.
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  Attack above or below this. I'd be above this.
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  OK, now I'm going. To the episode want to be above
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  this Episode 2 be below this. I'm going to throw a few more,
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  but new series sideman stories about you now.
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  All right, You've got to say above or below Revenge of the
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  Sideman. All right, OK.
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  Rise of the Cybermen, Age of Steel.
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  Slightly above her Oh. OK, closing time.
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  Below. Ascension of the Cybermen.
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  Below. Power of the Doctor.
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  Oh, it's a great story. It's not a great sideman story,
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  but it's a great story above, I say.
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  I love him bursting through the walls, you know, when T was
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  trying to get away. That's so great.
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  Oh, shoot, you never met him, did he?
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  Oh. Oh.
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  Well, enough of time. The Doctor falls.
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  Oh wow. Above above.
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  Yeah, everyone loves that one, don't they?
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  OK, Paul Arthur here asks. Would revenge be better loved if
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  it was in a weaker season? I mean, Hinchcliff doesn't
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  really have a weak season, does he?
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  You don't want to ask me that question.
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  I'm not as crazy on Hinchcliffe as other people.
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  I think 14's fairly weak, but OK, that's fair enough.
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  To say, yeah, it'd probably be more popular in a weak season,
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  yes, that's correct. It's a bit like Android
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  Invasion, isn't it? I think if you put Android
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  Invasion in a weak season it would stand out more than it
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  does in 13. Yeah, I mean, the problem with
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  Android invasion is it doesn't stand up to too much scrutiny,
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  does it? Well, especially when you get to
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  Episode 4. I don't know what's going on in
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  that last episode, the first episode.
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  Oh, that's brilliant. I mean, that's almost Avengers,
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  isn't? It OK, Daniel Knight, this will
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  be my last question for the episode.
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  All right, OK then, because the side men are about to arrive.
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  We need to talk about that. Daniel Knight says rank the
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  David Colling. He says rank the David Colling
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  performances. So Voris, Paul and Mordrin from
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  Mordrin Undead. OK, so Paul's going to be first.
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  I knew you were going to say that.
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  I mean, it's got to be, hasn't it?
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  I mean, that's a really good performance.
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  Paul Moldrin at the bottom. And for us in the middle.
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  Oh no, no, sorry for us at the bottom and Moldrin in the
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  middle, because Moldrin is actually quite a good
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  performance. Yeah, I think he's pretty great,
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  although Paul is the best, right?
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  Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, Paul must be the
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  best. Yeah, the whole Robophobia
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  thing's brilliant. God, when he sees that blood on
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  the hand, Jesus Christ. Oh, and Daniel also asks, let's
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  finish aside, would David Collins have been a good on
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  screen doctor? I think so.
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  Yeah, he's great at sapphire Steel, isn't he?
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  As when he's playing. Oh.
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  Yeah. I can't think what's it what's?
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  He's not. He's not.
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  Silver is. He he's, yeah.
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  He's. Silver, yeah.
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  Gold's that big bloke, isn't he? Yeah, yeah.
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  And you could, you could see him being Doctor Who, can't you?
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  In that in that part, he's called.
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  Charismatic in that. Isn't he?
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  Is he's he was a superb actor anyway.
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  I mean, did you ever see him at a convention?
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  No, I haven't. No, I mean he lovely bloke, he
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  couldn't remember a thing about anything.
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  He looks a bit amused as to why he was there.
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  Really. I've got no anecdotes, but buy
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  me a drink. Come on.
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  Toby said that he did an interview with him and everyone
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  went, oh God, he's the life and soul of the party.
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  You'll love him. He said he just clammed up
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  completely and gave him nothing. But he said to his wife after he
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  died, he said, oh, I tried to interview him, but and he was
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  she went. That really surprises me because
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  he was, he talked to anyone. Paul, can I ask you, have you
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  seen cheaper looking stalagmites and tights as the ones that are
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  in the room with Sarah and Harry?
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  Never, but they are pretty. I mean, it kind of lets it down
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  a bit when you go from location to the studio on the planet,
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  doesn't? It that's frequently the case.
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  Well, yes, I mean. But you remember in Planet of
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  Evil when you you're on film in that jungle and then suddenly
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  you're in the studio. Yeah, and let's be honest, the
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  jungle's the best thing in that, isn't it?
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  Yeah, Are you sure your name isn't Sigh Heart?
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  Oh, Planet of Eagle is boring. Oh I don't mind it.
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  People get turned into desiccated skeletons.
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  Well, I suppose that's quite fun, yeah.
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  Oh, it's just Kevin Stoney now, Is it the old?
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  Man, Yeah, that's it. Yeah.
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  The Trapple is right is they've almost glued his mouth together.
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  He can barely get a word out what's going on?
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  You can't even see his one key eye, can you?
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  And you know, those are some serious eyebrows they've got as
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  well. They are.
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  Yeah, I don't know if the Vogans rank as one of the better Doctor
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  Who. No, I feel not.
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  I mean, oh, here we go. He's about to insult her calves.
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  I'm going to play another game with you.
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  All right? OK.
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  I'm going to name Doctor Who races and you tell me if they're
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  better or worse than the Vogans. All right?
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  Right. OK.
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  The Jacondens. Design wise, they're better.
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  Oh OK, the band rules. Worse.
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  The Vervoids. Are better.
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  OK Oh the the Shimmerans from Terror and the Bannermen.
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  Oh yeah, I got no worse. The new series Zygons.
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  Oh, worse. Not a found.
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  No, I mean they look so much better in the 70s when they look
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  a bit sort of glistening and moist.
• 19:54
  I mean they look, they look like a bloke in a rubber suit, don't
• 19:56
  they? And.
• 19:57
  Yeah, it's weird, isn't it? How all that money?
• 20:01
  And they can't do it. Rubber suits look faker the more
• 20:04
  money you have. All right, last two the zombie.
• 20:09
  Worse. And finally, oh, the mutants
• 20:13
  from the mutants. Oh, they're quite good, aren't
• 20:15
  they? Yes, I think they're better.
• 20:17
  OK, so the Falcons are sort of mid range then?
• 20:20
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they they just look like
• 20:26
  they've got an arse on don't they really, Even with the sort
• 20:28
  of mouth being exposed? It's what Hinchcliffe says,
• 20:32
  isn't it? Is that I, I think his instinct
• 20:36
  to start the story with, can we do this?
• 20:39
  If we can't do this with, then we won't write it, you know, And
• 20:43
  because he was handed the scripts for this season, wasn't
• 20:46
  he? They were Barry and Terence
• 20:49
  basically sorted out the scripts for this season.
• 20:52
  So I don't think he had a lot of say here.
• 20:53
  No, I think they thought because they really know who's Doctor
• 20:57
  was going to be, they're just line up the old favourites,
• 20:59
  didn't they? But I mean, Hinchcliffe
• 21:02
  definitely puts his own twist on it, doesn't he?
• 21:04
  Because Genesis as Daleks is much better.
• 21:07
  Is much. It's in his style, isn't it?
• 21:10
  More than. It's a lot darker than Planet of
• 21:13
  the. Daleks, yeah, although.
• 21:15
  I do have a fondness for Planet of the Daleks.
• 21:18
  Oh I like Planet of the Daleks. It's like a Daleks greatest hits
• 21:20
  isn't it? It's got an Ice Kano in it, for
• 21:23
  God's sakes. It has.
• 21:24
  You get all that shooting down the coral, ain't it?
• 21:28
  Look at this zoom in on Tom's face.
• 21:30
  He knows it's the Cybermen. I wonder if even the Doctor was
• 21:35
  a bit disappointed it was this. These Cybermen though, you know.
• 21:39
  Yeah. What's that line he has about
• 21:41
  them being pathetic? Oh, a load of Tin pop skull
• 21:45
  soldiers skulking around the Galaxy before they try to shake
• 21:48
  him to death, isn't it? Yeah.
• 21:50
  It had to be the Simon and the rubbish ones at that.
• 21:52
  That's right. Oh look, I turned the CSO on it.
• 21:56
  Oh, yeah. Is it?
• 21:57
  What? Just a backdrop there.
• 21:58
  Yeah. Like, credit to Michael Bryant.
• 22:02
  Like, I know these aren't the best sets in the world.
• 22:04
  He he's trying to make it visually interesting.
• 22:06
  Yeah. It just jars, doesn't it,
• 22:09
  between Oh, I've got a question for you actually Joe, when you
• 22:12
  were a kid and you were sat watching Doctor Who, my mum
• 22:16
  could never see this. When I point out to her when it
• 22:18
  went from studio to location I could see a difference.
• 22:21
  I could too, yeah. But I'd say to them, look that
• 22:24
  looks different to that and she'd be like.
• 22:26
  No, I wouldn't even bother saying that's my mum because she
• 22:30
  was so TV illiterate. Now, that's not to say she
• 22:32
  didn't like TV. She did, but she had no interest
• 22:35
  in sort of the nuts and bolts of the production of Telly.
• 22:39
  But I mean, I think you'd even say this to some people now and
• 22:42
  they go, no, it's a picture what you're talking about.
• 22:45
  Yeah, it's it just has a smoothness about it, film,
• 22:49
  doesn't it? And there's a sharpness to
• 22:52
  video. Yeah.
• 22:55
  It's like, have you ever seen keeping up appearances?
• 22:58
  Yes. The book here is the well, I
• 23:01
  don't think that's dated because that's shot on video mostly on
• 23:05
  location. And so it just looks like
• 23:07
  something's shot on location now, whereas if you watch stuff
• 23:11
  that's done on film in the 80s, it looks old.
• 23:15
  Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah.
• 23:19
  Oh, that spaceship. Oh, oh.
• 23:22
  Extreme down, yeah. Do you know?
• 23:27
  What's great, I think it's going to insert itself into the Ark.
• 23:30
  Well, at least into the docking Bay, Yes.
• 23:32
  Oh, I mean, what would you do if you saw that coming towards
• 23:36
  your? Good grief, we can't hear the
• 23:40
  music, but Carrie Blighton's going a bit crazy right now.
• 23:43
  We all we love a bit of Carrie Blighton, don't we?
• 23:47
  This is the one, isn't it, where Philip Hinchcliffe insisted on
• 23:51
  electronic music added to the score?
• 23:54
  I think so, yes. Is this Kerry Blighton's last
• 23:59
  one? I think it is, yeah.
• 24:01
  I don't think Barry Let's or Philip Hinchcliffe liked what he
• 24:04
  did. Actually, oh, look, you might
• 24:07
  know the answer to this. I suspect this is Kerry
• 24:09
  Blighton. But Barry, let's have somebody
• 24:11
  who kept bothering him to do the music on all of them.
• 24:14
  Convinced. I am convinced that that is him.
• 24:17
  Yeah, yeah. I mean, come on.
• 24:26
  Doesn't he? And that is terrible.
• 24:30
  How does that one go? It's.
• 24:36
  Very bad. Actually, they don't look too
• 24:38
  bad on film. The Vogans.
• 24:40
  No, of course with film you can get a bit high, can't you?
• 24:45
  And death. I don't want to be to camp, but
• 24:50
  are those glitter guns that they've got?
• 24:53
  Like they love glitter guns. Because that's what Tom says
• 24:55
  later, isn't it? They invented the glitter gun.
• 24:59
  That sounds like the campus battle in history.
• 25:02
  They just glitter each other today.
• 25:05
  Actually, that's a good question I'd like to ask you.
• 25:07
  Yeah. How much camp can you handle in
• 25:10
  Doctor Who? I'd be a lot, you know.
• 25:12
  You know, I love camp, but where's your limit?
• 25:15
  Because Doctor Who can be very camp.
• 25:18
  I think I love Cat. I mean, there's, there's room
• 25:21
  for everything and Doctor isn't there, so I don't mind camp.
• 25:24
  Do you prefer it when it's a bit grittier?
• 25:28
  Though I do, I mean, I loved so I loved Caves Vans Rosani
• 25:32
  because that was really gritty and then so I love season 22 as
• 25:35
  a result. I mean, I think they slightly
• 25:38
  overdid it in every story. But you see, I quite like Mark
• 25:43
  and the Rani, I mean and that's a bit more camper than, but then
• 25:48
  timing around is far too calm performance.
• 25:52
  OK, I'm gauging it now. But then having said that, I
• 25:55
  absolutely love Doubt and the banner men and that's campus
• 25:57
  tits isn't it? So that.
• 25:58
  Is the campus thing I've ever seen.
• 26:02
  Hang on, you couldn't handle time in the rally, but you like
• 26:04
  they're on the bannermen. I mean when that Navarino goes
• 26:10
  through that scanner and turns into a person.
• 26:12
  Oh, that's brilliant, isn't it? Oh, it is fabulous there in the
• 26:17
  Banner men and So what? What tips time in the Ronnie Too
• 26:21
  far then? Is it all the pantomime stuff?
• 26:24
  I think so. And I'm not very keen on
• 26:26
  Sylvester Sylvester's pratfalls and I, I just feel, I mean, I
• 26:32
  enjoy watching it and it's fun, but but yeah, it's a bit too
• 26:37
  calm for me. I so.
• 26:39
  You've never been, you know, running across an evil genius
• 26:42
  laboratory and tripped over Paul.
• 26:44
  No, strangely enough. You what?
• 26:46
  You managed to stay on your feet.
• 26:48
  Yes, mind, your hand just regenerated so you know.
• 26:51
  Well, may I say it's a fabulous new body that you got there.
• 26:55
  Thank you very much. Who was you before?
• 26:59
  Oh, I was less good looking. Other members of the Ham fam?
• 27:04
  Yeah, I understand. Oh God, the side men are here.
• 27:08
  How did I miss this? Oh look, they're firing from the
• 27:10
  heads as well. I quite like that when they can
• 27:12
  shoot from the top of their heads.
• 27:14
  I mean, it does appear that they've just murdered Tom Baker.
• 27:18
  Yes. In his first season.
• 27:22
  It's always slightly odd when they do that because I mean,
• 27:24
  that's and they're never going to kill off their lead man, so.
• 27:28
  What when the cliffhanger is, is the Doctor?
• 27:30
  Being dead, I mean. Well, maybe they weren't happy
• 27:33
  with the performance. You know they're.
• 27:35
  Like, well, could have been get. Rid of him now.
• 27:37
  Now may I do one more question before we out the episode?
• 27:40
  Please do. OK, it's on the subject of
• 27:44
  Carrie Blighton. Well, we've just.
• 27:45
  Been. Oh, yes, yes.
• 27:47
  So, Fraser, everyone wants you to rank everything today.
• 27:51
  I think. I think they're trying to figure
• 27:53
  out sort of where your doctorate is.
• 27:55
  Yeah, yeah. Well Fraser, I love to dominate
• 27:58
  is my friend. Oh boy, another one OK.
• 28:03
  Anyway. What, he asks is can you rank
• 28:06
  the Carrie Blighton scores? Yeah, in 3rd place, the
• 28:11
  Sirorians, in 2nd place this, and in first place it has to be
• 28:18
  the classic that is Death to the Dark.
• 28:24
  I mean, joking aside, it's nice to have a change from Deadly
• 28:28
  Dudley, isn't it? You know, it's like.
• 28:31
  It is. It is the only.
• 28:33
  I don't think it's a really good scores, but it's just nice to
• 28:36
  have that contrast. The only like deviation I think
• 28:40
  they're really like. It doesn't work for me.
• 28:43
  It's the mutants because it's all those weird sort of
• 28:45
  electronic bleeps and blobs. Yeah, that's very.
• 28:48
  Strange, isn't it? It's sort of ambient sound.
• 28:52
  That's right. Very strange.
• 28:55
  Yeah, yeah. Who else used to do music in
• 28:58
  this period? Because.
• 29:00
  Because Douglas Cowfield wouldn't use Jeffrey.
• 29:05
  Yes, that's right. Great music.
• 29:07
  Yeah, that's really good. Yeah, he did too, didn't he?
• 29:10
  But he went on to do some great work after that as well.
• 29:13
  And it was mostly Dudley, wasn't it?
• 29:15
  Yeah, it was mostly Dudley, Yeah.
• 29:17
  But I think maybe he did his best scores under Hinchcliffe.
• 29:20
  Like Pyramids is a great. Score.
• 29:22
  Yeah. I love the Brain of Morbius
• 29:25
  score as well. Yeah, Yeah, that's a good one.
• 29:28
  I mean, do we, do we think his definitive score would be
• 29:31
  sitting at death? Because I think that's.
• 29:33
  Yes. I know I heard him at a
• 29:35
  convention playing at on the hotel bar.
• 29:37
  Really. What Dudley playing here?
• 29:39
  Yeah, will not be calling Manchester in the early 2000s.
• 29:43
  He was a guest and he was up there.
• 29:46
  No, there he was banging out on the piano and the manager in the
• 29:50
  hotel came up and told him he wasn't allowed.
• 29:52
  To oh. Said he wasn't allowed to be on
• 29:55
  there. Do you know who I am?
• 29:57
  All right. This is the best Doctor Who's
• 30:00
  scorer of all time. Yeah.
• 30:01
  Oh, my God, that. I mean, if that happened now,
• 30:03
  everyone's iPhones will be out in a second.
• 30:05
  Yeah, it was magical. Brilliant, that sounds great.
• 30:09
  I was on the fan scene. I only came in to Doctor Who
• 30:14
  fandom when I started the podcast.
• 30:17
  This is how I've met all these wonderful people.
• 30:19
  But before then, Doctor Who tended to be a pretty solitary
• 30:22
  affair for me. So I feel as if I missed out on
• 30:25
  a lot of great events in the day.
• 30:29
  Ah, well. Well, look, would you care to
• 30:32
  now skip on into episode 3 and to listen to more Carrie Blight
• 30:35
  and music? And I think we're going to have
• 30:37
  a lot of side man action this episode.
• 30:39
  Excellent. That's what we like.
• 30:42
  I'll cut it there. I will cut it.
• 30:44
  Right there.