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Dr. Brian McKeon - Sweethearts & Heroes · Aired Out

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Speaker 2: All right, here we go, new day, new week, new month,
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Speaker 2: Welcome to July. Of course, we've got some new laws
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Speaker 2: to celebrate here in Vermont. We're gonna be talking about them.
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Speaker 3: At some point.
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Speaker 2: I know Smuggler's Notch is just one of them, but
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Speaker 2: there's a few others here, and I've got to post
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Speaker 2: it up on the page if you haven't had a
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Speaker 2: chance to have a look.
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Speaker 3: Yes, lots to get to, lots to talk about.
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Speaker 2: This morning, deb Phillips is kicking off our Wednesday Morning
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Speaker 2: from the world. What's Fresh, What's New?
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Speaker 3: Debt?
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Speaker 4: Well, good morning j D. So we have We're hoping
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Speaker 4: everyone has a safe and enjoyable fourth of July. In
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Speaker 4: this week's paper, we have the Randolph schedule. Last week
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Speaker 4: we had the Woolster and the mont Pilier schedule for
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Speaker 4: the event. So if somebody missed that, we do have
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Speaker 4: the digital version of the paper up so that you
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Speaker 4: could go back and then look at that schedule. One
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Speaker 4: thing that we have is really exciting is the simply
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Speaker 4: Vermont's Summer Guide, forty eight pages events and things to
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Speaker 4: do around Barrymont, Pilier all through Washington County. That's an
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Speaker 4: insert in this week's paper. And we also have money
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Speaker 4: saving coupons. You can save on oil changes, four tire changeovers,
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Speaker 4: carpet and flooring, a whole lot more. And at the
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Speaker 4: same time, we're congratulating the Hardwood Boys lacrosse d two
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Speaker 4: state champions. Yeah, big, big deal there, very good. And
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Speaker 4: in addition, we have like Corey Works is going to
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Speaker 4: Coreyworks Theater is presenting a Grand Night for Singing a
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Speaker 4: Rogers and Hammerstein Musical review July ninth through twelfth and
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Speaker 4: July sixteenth through nineteenth, and all their performances are free
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Speaker 4: and very worthwhile to go and see.
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Speaker 2: Deb I know that last week you had a bunch
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Speaker 2: of fourth of July stuff in their schedules for tounds
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Speaker 2: like well, of course Montpelier, but also Cabot and you
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Speaker 2: said Randolph Is We've got that schedule out in today's paper.
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Speaker 4: Yes, okay, and off is in today's paper. And last
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Speaker 4: week we had also.
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Speaker 2: Wooster oh oh that was the other one, Yes, yes,
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Speaker 2: yeah boy and one of the best, one of the
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Speaker 2: best fireworks shows right there.
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Speaker 4: Definitely, definitely all and very worthwhile to go and see
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Speaker 4: and enjoy.
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Speaker 2: Deb thanks for coming on and thanks for presenting aired out.
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Speaker 2: We appreciate and love you and Gary and the rest
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Speaker 2: of the team over there so much.
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Speaker 4: All right, thanks so much, Jady.
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Speaker 2: Look for the paper. It's out today. The world's getting
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Speaker 2: distributed everywhere. Quick notice here on the boil water notice
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Speaker 2: for Barrytown. It was lifted yesterday for Barrytown. Easy to
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Speaker 2: get that confused with the whole Graniteville thing. But that
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Speaker 2: water main break on Websterville Road that has been repaired,
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Speaker 2: and the boil water notice for Barrytown again lifted. But
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Speaker 2: Graniteville still under a boil water notice as it's related
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Speaker 2: to a separate issue. If you didn't see that on
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Speaker 2: the page yesterday, that is the case, and that will
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Speaker 2: be in place until this afternoon probably. I want to
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Speaker 2: make sure we get that out there. Also another public
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Speaker 2: service announcement here with the heat and the heat indexes
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Speaker 2: being insane in Vermont over the next couple of days,
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Speaker 2: the humidity playing a huge role here in those temperatures,
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Speaker 2: and we just want to say, please be safe, check
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Speaker 2: on your neighbors. I note that the Berry City Fire
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Speaker 2: Department is going to be spraying the fire hoses over
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Speaker 2: in Curier Park, getting the kids and the families out
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Speaker 2: there and having fun with that.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be an amazing night tonight.
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Speaker 2: Hopefully you'll be able to come out and endure the temperatures,
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Speaker 2: maybe cool off a little bit for the farmer's markets,
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Speaker 2: the food trucks and the concerts in the park every
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Speaker 2: single Wednesday. There's also some cooling shelters up at the
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Speaker 2: Bury Auditorium here. Over the next couple of days, we're
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Speaker 2: going to be paying attention to what's on the Berry
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Speaker 2: City page, the aired out page. We'll be posting up
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Speaker 2: and sharing that information as much as possible. But water
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Speaker 2: and cooling shelters up at the Barry Auditorium. I have
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Speaker 2: with me this morning a guest who I am so
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Speaker 2: much looking forward to having on, Doctor Brian mckeeon Sweethearts
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Speaker 2: and Heroes are next Resident Philosopher. I think is what
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Speaker 2: you're being referred to?
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Speaker 3: Is that? Do I have that right? My friend? Is
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Speaker 3: that correct?
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Speaker 5: That's my current official title?
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Speaker 2: Man, I am I've never met you. I am honored
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Speaker 2: to have you here in the studio, but I gotta
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Speaker 2: tell you, man, before we even get started, your son
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Speaker 2: is such an amazing guy and has brought so much
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Speaker 2: to the airwaves here to this platform over the last
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Speaker 2: couple of years. And You've done one hell of a
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Speaker 2: job raising him.
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Speaker 6: Man, I appreciate it. I wish I could take all
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Speaker 6: the credit, but I can't. But I'm proud of all
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Speaker 6: my sons. Actually, I think you've had Joe as well.
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Speaker 2: I have, Yes, I have. It's been a while since
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Speaker 2: I've had Josiah on. But man, these two guys are
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Speaker 2: just they they bring the goods man, and you know,
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Speaker 2: and they've they've talked about you as as has has Tom.
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Speaker 2: It just said, yeah that you know, it's one thing
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Speaker 2: to have Brian on, but when you get Brian Senior on,
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Speaker 2: look out, Tom's saying that that I shouldn't be light
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Speaker 2: on you this morning. We're just gonna let it go.
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Speaker 2: We're just gonna have a conversation here. You and and
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Speaker 2: I've got another good friend of mine, Paul Brody, who's
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Speaker 2: on the couch right across from me, who's a therapist
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Speaker 2: that specializes in Druggnnette alcohol treatment. Lots to unfold here
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Speaker 2: and uncover, but for the July weekend, right in front
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Speaker 2: of us alcohol consumption food consumption, the burgers, the hot dogs,
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Speaker 2: the sodium, throwing a lot of alcohol in there, and
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Speaker 2: then and then let's have the great idea of lighting
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Speaker 2: off some fireworks. It's a culmination of a lot of
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Speaker 2: things that aren't necessarily great for us, but nonetheless, we
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Speaker 2: celebrate two hundred and fifty years of independence, and this
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Speaker 2: is how we act. Paul and I were just chatting
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Speaker 2: before we went live here this morning, and Paul was like,
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Speaker 2: ask him, Let's ask him right now. The most dangerous
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Speaker 2: substance that we as humans can put in our bodies?
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Speaker 3: Is it? Is it alcohol? Is it food? Is it drugs?
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Speaker 3: What say you? M?
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Speaker 5: I think it has to do with the volume of
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Speaker 5: those substances that you put in.
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Speaker 6: I have an addiction to red Bull, and I've calculated
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Speaker 6: it once I can't remember.
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Speaker 5: I think I've had I.
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Speaker 6: Don't know how many eight thousand and eighty thousand gallons
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Speaker 6: of red Bull, some large amount, and it'll eventually kill me.
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Speaker 6: And when you drink three or four a day, it's
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Speaker 6: not good for you. So I think a lot of
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Speaker 6: it has to do with how much we put into
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Speaker 6: our bodies, and any of them could kill you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I want to just Paul.
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Speaker 3: Anything on that.
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Speaker 7: I want to ask all kinds of Red Bull questions,
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Speaker 7: but the.
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Speaker 3: Time, Yeah, no, ask him. Now, I want to know.
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Speaker 2: I want to know if Brian knows what every ingredient
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Speaker 2: is in Red Bull, if he's memorized it.
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Speaker 5: No, I didn't memorize them. All I cared about was
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Speaker 5: the touring.
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Speaker 6: And in fact, the first time I had a Red Bull,
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Speaker 6: it tastes disgusting, but I figured if I persisted, I
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Speaker 6: eventually get good at it.
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Speaker 7: That's the people that people.
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Speaker 6: That's true for smoking and alcohol and everything else.
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Speaker 7: So I was I was curious that, like I'm Paul.
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Speaker 7: By the way, Hi, Brian so JD had sent me
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Speaker 7: a link to a podcast that you've done, I think
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Speaker 7: from your from the school you work a year or
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Speaker 7: so ago. So listen to that, and I was really
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Speaker 7: impressed with the way you describe lifetime learning and your
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Speaker 7: approach that and and the things that you've done. And
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Speaker 7: so that's interesting to me from my alcohol and drug
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Speaker 7: counselor so I work with addiction and so looking at
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Speaker 7: the different things that get people in, like or what
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Speaker 7: the origin point is for the addiction. So, like you
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Speaker 7: describe yourself as this addiction with red Bull. How do
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Speaker 7: you how like the understanding you haven't in your background
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Speaker 7: in biology, so you understand those chemicals and impact on
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Speaker 7: your bodies, Like, how do you what?
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Speaker 3: What?
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Speaker 7: How do you defeat the cognitive dissonance that must come
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Speaker 7: up with that?
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Speaker 5: Well, I'm a hypocrite.
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Speaker 7: You're humans, so you know we all got that right, So.
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Speaker 5: I'm really good at that.
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Speaker 6: It's interesting because I have learned over the years that
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Speaker 6: I guess I'm not.
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Speaker 5: Quite like other people.
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Speaker 6: I never really exercised and and generally my health has
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Speaker 6: been fine. All my wives have sent me to the
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Speaker 6: doctor repeatedly, and the doctor says I'm perfectly healthy in
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Speaker 6: every way. So I think I'm one of those anomalies
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Speaker 6: that just got lucky in my genetics. Unfortunately, that's not
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Speaker 6: true for everybody, right, and I'm sure there's something out
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Speaker 6: there that that could easily kill me. But so for me,
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Speaker 6: I think it's about all of us finding finding our
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Speaker 6: own way in that sense.
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Speaker 5: And so far those things haven't beaten me down yet.
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Speaker 6: I figured I would keep going until they started to
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Speaker 6: make me sick, and then I switch it up.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Like Alan Wattson, I'm familiar with him. But he was, Yeah,
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Speaker 7: so he's a big spiritual teacher, and and some people
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Speaker 7: would often ask him about his use of tobacco and
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Speaker 7: alcohol because and he said, well, I want to enjoy life.
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Speaker 7: And so even though he has this spiritual proach, and
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Speaker 7: you think, this guy's got to figure out he's living
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Speaker 7: in zen all the time, but then he's still engaging
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Speaker 7: these behaviors that are killing his body. And so but
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Speaker 7: for me, I guess my understanding that is kind of
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Speaker 7: like the balance the en and young of it is
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Speaker 7: that so he's he's so into the spiritual energy, but
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Speaker 7: he's also in the physical. He's just not giving into
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Speaker 7: the physical cravings or sensations. But I guess it is
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Speaker 7: kind of a sensory experience. So it's a it does
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Speaker 7: seem to have, like we I guess.
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Speaker 3: There's a balance.
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Speaker 7: So I don't know if that that makes any sense
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Speaker 7: for you and your experience.
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Speaker 6: And oh yeah, I mean I've spent a lot of
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Speaker 6: time studying Daoism and young Ying and actually listening to
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Speaker 6: Alan Wats quite a bit, and there is an interesting.
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Speaker 5: Phenomenon of this balance.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 6: And so certainly that I think is probably how he
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Speaker 6: saw it. He saw it his balance. In that sense,
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Speaker 6: you have to have the light in the dark. You
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Speaker 6: can't just have one or the other.
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Speaker 7: That's just interesting stuff.
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Speaker 2: You. You are a man of much knowledge, my friend.
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Speaker 2: You have a couple of a couple of degrees you've
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Speaker 2: spent something. Can you tell us what are some of them?
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Speaker 2: You're an assistant professor of biology at Penn College.
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Speaker 5: I was, you were.
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Speaker 3: I was for more than twenty years.
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Speaker 6: Twenty years at Penn College, and then I had four
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Speaker 6: years at Broome Community College in two years at Penn
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Speaker 6: State Erie.
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Speaker 5: So twenty six years as a professor total.
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Speaker 3: Wow, what are we talking about for degrees? For you?
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Speaker 6: So I got my bachelor's in biology with a minor
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Speaker 6: in chemistry, and I was going to go to med
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Speaker 6: school and actually.
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Speaker 5: Kind of interesting. I had applied.
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Speaker 6: And everything, and then Brian was born January of my
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Speaker 6: senior year in college, and I held him and I
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Speaker 6: realized that A he didn't have to be born and
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Speaker 6: be that if I went to med school, I'd never
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Speaker 6: see him, and I figured that wasn't fair to him.
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Speaker 6: So I'm not blaming him, but like, I'm happy. Actually
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Speaker 6: I made the right choice. And I said, well, I
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Speaker 6: guess I'm not going to med school.
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Speaker 5: Now what do I do? I spent four years trying
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Speaker 5: to do it.
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Speaker 6: So I ended up going to get my master's at
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Speaker 6: Ducane University and I got that in molecular biology, and
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Speaker 6: then I got a job working at Penn State Erie.
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Speaker 6: I was a lab coordinator and I did some teaching,
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Speaker 6: but you can't I was working with all the PhDs,
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Speaker 6: and you know, if you don't have the same level
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Speaker 6: of degree in that sense, then you can't quite do
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Speaker 6: all the same things. So I ended up we moved
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Speaker 6: to Binghamton, which was closer to family, and I got
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Speaker 6: my While I was working in teaching, I got my
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Speaker 6: doctorate in philosophy of mind.
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Speaker 5: I didn't realize it until.
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Speaker 6: Talking to a philosopher a bit at Penn State Erie,
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Speaker 6: but I found out I was a philosopher at heart.
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Speaker 6: So I got mine in philosophy of mind, actually with
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Speaker 6: a concentration in medical ethics because I was doing a
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Speaker 6: lot of that microbiology, anatomy and physiology, that sort of thing.
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Speaker 6: And so that's when I got the job at Penn
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Speaker 6: College in Williamsport, which is the littley Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 6: And while I was here, I wanted the perks the
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Speaker 6: job was that family members could take classes for free,
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Speaker 6: and I could take classes for free.
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Speaker 5: So I'm fortunate.
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Speaker 6: All my sons got to go to Penn College and
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Speaker 6: take classes for free, which I was happy about, which
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Speaker 6: is good because the degrees they got are not the
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Speaker 6: ones they're using. So but while I was there, because
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Speaker 6: I got to take classes I would take. I took
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Speaker 6: six credits a semester for the twenty years I was there,
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Speaker 6: so I have over three hundred and thirty credits total.
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Speaker 5: I got a paralegal degree while I was there.
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Speaker 6: I got to work with the district judge here, Judge
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Speaker 6: Brand for the Middle District of Pennsylvania. I was an
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Speaker 6: ex turn for him for six months, and then I
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Speaker 6: got my chemical I actually got a chemical defendency certificate.
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Speaker 5: While I was at Penn College.
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Speaker 6: And then I was taking other classes as well, just
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Speaker 6: classes I was interested in. And it was nice because
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Speaker 6: I got to say to the students, look, I'm in
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Speaker 6: class too, so I understand what's going on with you.
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Speaker 5: I also got to see how my.
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Speaker 6: Colleagues would teach and I would take ideas from them,
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Speaker 6: so it was it was a good time for me.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Paul and I were chatting a little bit ago about
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Speaker 2: what you were saying on this on this podcast about
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Speaker 2: automatic memory moments. Yep, speak to that a little bit
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Speaker 2: of of what this is about, Paul. You were saying,
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Speaker 2: flash bowl memory.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, that's what I'm familiar with some psychology classes,
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Speaker 7: like the flash ball memories, like you've mentioned nine eleven.
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Speaker 7: Everyone remembers where they were, and that's okay to mind,
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Speaker 7: But you were calling them automatic memories.
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Speaker 2: I think where, yeah, and where we were when when
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Speaker 2: Kennedy was shot. You know my mom My mom would
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Speaker 2: also always tell me, you know, exactly where she was
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Speaker 2: when she find doubt that Elvis Presley died.
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Speaker 3: So you speak to that doc if you would.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, automatic memories are I don't know if that's an
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Speaker 6: expression I came up with. I don't remember anyone else
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Speaker 6: saying it, but it was I thought the easiest way.
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Speaker 6: I've always been into trying to simplify things, make them
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Speaker 6: as simple as possible so that people could understand them.
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Speaker 6: I had, you know, all freshmen students and news to science,
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Speaker 6: that sort of thing.
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Speaker 5: So that's been my habit.
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Speaker 6: But from the very beginning, I've been into edutainment, where
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Speaker 6: we where we really connect, you know, with the students
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Speaker 6: in that way. It's not just rote and boring and dry.
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Speaker 6: And so I always wanted to create automatic memories. And
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Speaker 6: I thought, if each lecture could have one automatic memory,
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Speaker 6: something where they just couldn't forget it, h.
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Speaker 8: Then from there you're going to go ahead and build
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Speaker 8: off of that memory once you remember the I routinely
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Speaker 8: would in the beginning of the semester when I was trying
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Speaker 8: to show balance it's for anatomy physiology. I'd get up
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Speaker 8: on the desk and I'd stand on the desk and
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Speaker 8: I'd tell them about which muscles are moving and all that.
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Speaker 5: Sort of thing.
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Speaker 6: McKeon stood on the desk, and from there that automatic
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Speaker 6: memory triggers.
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Speaker 5: Oh and then after that we talked about this.
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Speaker 6: So my feeling was if we could have one automatic
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Speaker 6: memory per lecture, that was always my goal.
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Speaker 5: Everything else would just be review after that.
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Speaker 6: You wouldn't have to work super hard at getting those
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Speaker 6: memories back from lecture. So that was always my plan,
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Speaker 6: and so I did a lot towards that. I ended
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Speaker 6: up early on realizing that I grew up a superhero fan,
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Speaker 6: which is funny where I work now, But I wore Superman, Batman,
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Speaker 6: I wore superhero shirts to lecture every day.
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Speaker 5: I never dressed up. It just wasn't my thing.
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Speaker 6: And so you know, in all those ways, I try
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Speaker 6: to make it so that the students felt really comfortable
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Speaker 6: with class, felt comfortable with me.
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Speaker 5: But if they had those.
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Speaker 6: Automatic memories, then it would be a lot easier for
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Speaker 6: them when they's outing for exams.
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Speaker 3: Fascinating.
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Speaker 7: That's also it's like anchoring points and something else that
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Speaker 7: you would and I don't keep perferring back to this
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Speaker 7: other podcast and there's no point and ever he's gonna
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Speaker 7: ever go listen to that. But I don't want to
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Speaker 7: double up and everything. But like so with the automatic
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Speaker 7: memories that the anchoring points you talked about, you'd go
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Speaker 7: from one when you were taking your other classes. So
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Speaker 7: you're teaching classes, you're also in classes as a student yourself.
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Speaker 7: And so when you're in one class and you're learning something,
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Speaker 7: it might be unrelated to the topic that you're teaching,
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Speaker 7: but you found ways to draw analogies or to bring
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Speaker 7: it in because and so that expands your ability to teach.
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Speaker 7: And I always like that. And that's that's along with
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Speaker 7: the automatic memories. If you're if you're able to create
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Speaker 7: anchor points to something that someone already knows and they're
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Speaker 7: able to remember it better. So if you can, that's
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Speaker 7: where like, if you can bring in the mundane and
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Speaker 7: everyday experiences and apply it to whatever the topic is
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Speaker 7: that you're talking about, then it'll be easier for them
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Speaker 7: to remember. So you're giving him these these flashbolt memories,
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Speaker 7: something exciting and new and very unique that excites the
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Speaker 7: brain and so jumping on the table and ex planning
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Speaker 7: how that what's going on, and they're gonna remember that
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Speaker 7: if they're not paying attention, all of a sudden you
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Speaker 7: stand on the table, they're gonna pay attention. And then
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Speaker 7: if you can bring it into you know, tie it
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Speaker 7: into something that's every day perfunctory, then they can it
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Speaker 7: anchors that new idea into that. There's a Dexter Holland,
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Speaker 7: the singer from The Offspring, he studied I think he
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Speaker 7: was a microbiologist. He's viral biology or microbiology something that
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Speaker 7: he's got a master's degree in that when he was
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Speaker 7: in the he was doing his master's program when he
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Speaker 7: wrote the song come Out and Play I'm going to
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Speaker 7: say Keepers Separated. That was written on the hood of
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Speaker 7: the like the chemical vent hood in his lab they
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Speaker 7: saw keep him separated. And that's that's what we wrote
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Speaker 7: that song based on. It's about like gang violence and stuff.
20:37
Speaker 7: But this is a cool origin story for that. But
20:39
Speaker 7: that's that anchoring point. He's tying taking something that he
20:41
Speaker 7: knew and turning it into you know, taking something like a
20:43
Speaker 7: punk rock song and now you can apply that to
20:45
Speaker 7: your lab chemical lab work.
20:48
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, fine, Yeah, that's very cool. Yeah.
20:50
Speaker 6: I like taking different classes because I always said when
20:54
Speaker 6: I was teaching ethics and sociology those sorts of things,
20:57
Speaker 6: I always had students in different majors and being able
20:59
Speaker 6: to use the lingo from their majors certainly I think
21:04
Speaker 6: gave me some credibility and allowed them to also, as
21:07
Speaker 6: you said, make those connections, which that's how we learn, right,
21:11
Speaker 6: We have to build on something. That's why we have
21:14
Speaker 6: analogies and metaphors in our language, because we need them
21:16
Speaker 6: to understand new things, and so I tried to bring
21:19
Speaker 6: those in as often as possible.
21:21
Speaker 3: Do you look at yourself, Brian, as kind of a
21:25
Speaker 3: modern day Da Vinci or maybe a polymath.
21:31
Speaker 6: Probably polymath. I never thought of myself as da Vinci.
21:34
Speaker 6: He was far more autistic.
21:36
Speaker 5: But the idea for me really is that I got
21:41
Speaker 5: bored easily and somewhat unfairly.
21:45
Speaker 6: I don't have a full photographic memory, but it's pretty close.
21:49
Speaker 6: I remember most of what I read the first time.
21:51
Speaker 6: So I routinely wanted to keep learning. Knowledge was my thing,
21:57
Speaker 6: and after a while I started to get bored or not.
22:01
Speaker 5: Like, I never wanted to be a teacher.
22:02
Speaker 6: My dad was a teacher, and I remember his last
22:04
Speaker 6: couple of years that I was home. He came home miserably,
22:07
Speaker 6: had some rough students, and so I'm like, I'm not
22:09
Speaker 6: teaching never twenty six years later. But it ended up being,
22:14
Speaker 6: you know, good for raising and family. But because I
22:17
Speaker 6: never want I didn't want to teach, because I didn't
22:18
Speaker 6: want to get bored, and so I had to find
22:20
Speaker 6: ways to keep my mind activated taking classes I'm studying
22:25
Speaker 6: on my own. Of course, there are a ton of
22:26
Speaker 6: things I've studied that I haven't taken any classes in.
22:29
Speaker 6: And eventually I got to a point where I was like, well,
22:31
Speaker 6: I want to see you know what my limits are?
22:33
Speaker 6: Are there things I can't do? So I kept trying
22:36
Speaker 6: new things and even now you know, I'm doing Sweethearts
22:40
Speaker 6: and Heroes? Is it something I can do that? I
22:42
Speaker 6: just like the challenge of new things. I had Actually
22:45
Speaker 6: before this, I had applied. I took my LSATs and
22:50
Speaker 6: applied and got into law school. I was going to
22:52
Speaker 6: go to Penn State Dickinson, but circumstances changed. But I
22:56
Speaker 6: was supposed to do that this year, and I ended
22:58
Speaker 6: up changing my mind. But it's you know, can I do?
23:00
Speaker 6: What can I accomplish?
23:01
Speaker 2: You ended up changing your mind? And yeah, with you know,
23:06
Speaker 2: and and Paul and I talk about this all the time.
23:09
Speaker 2: Just going with the flow, allowing yourself to to change
23:13
Speaker 2: your mind, to have an open mind, and to explore
23:18
Speaker 2: different different things, different different music. You know, Paul and
23:24
Speaker 2: I have discussions about this all the time. Try it,
23:27
Speaker 2: you know, and and be fair and true to yourself.
23:31
Speaker 2: If it's something that that you're good at, that you enjoy,
23:34
Speaker 2: continue doing it. But if if you if it starts
23:37
Speaker 2: to get boring, or if your your your thoughts and
23:41
Speaker 2: your interests change, allow allow that to happen naturally, and
23:48
Speaker 2: just go with it. Don't push against it, don't paddle
23:50
Speaker 2: against the stream, right, Paul.
23:53
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, very dabash, right, go go with the flow.
23:57
Speaker 6: I've my one chief concerned throughout my entire life has
24:02
Speaker 6: been truth. I've wanted to know the truth. And I
24:04
Speaker 6: think I know I frustrated some people because you know,
24:07
Speaker 6: they want to name me down. What do you believe
24:08
Speaker 6: exactly on this? And what do you believe exactly on that?
24:11
Speaker 5: And routinely I'm saying, well, this is what I think
24:14
Speaker 5: right now.
24:14
Speaker 6: But you know, if you present some good evidence, some
24:16
Speaker 6: good arguments, and I think about them for a while,
24:18
Speaker 6: I could easily change my mind.
24:20
Speaker 5: I don't mind being wrong.
24:22
Speaker 6: I don't mind that yesterday I thought something different. And
24:26
Speaker 6: Emerson said, you know, we shouldn't worry about contradicting ourselves.
24:29
Speaker 6: We should speak the hard truth today what we believe,
24:31
Speaker 6: and then tomorrow we should speak the hard truth again,
24:33
Speaker 6: even if it contradicts yesterday.
24:35
Speaker 5: I think he said this is his essay self reliance.
24:37
Speaker 6: He said, don't carry around the corpse of your memory
24:40
Speaker 6: of yesterday, which I think is pretty funny.
24:43
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a great analogy. Yep.
24:47
Speaker 3: You say it's the question that drives us.
24:52
Speaker 5: That's correct.
24:53
Speaker 3: It's good to question stuff.
24:57
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think when you have to question everything, not
25:01
Speaker 8: just it's easy to question others.
25:05
Speaker 2: What we see, what we hear in the news, what
25:07
Speaker 2: we hear, what's coming down the pipe onto our phones,
25:12
Speaker 2: whether it's politics or anything else. But to question yourself
25:20
Speaker 2: is much more challenging. That's next level.
25:26
Speaker 6: I never found it difficult, but I've come to realize
25:29
Speaker 6: that a lot of people don't do that, and it
25:32
Speaker 6: could go back to a security thing.
25:34
Speaker 5: Right, It's interesting we're wired to pass on our DNA.
25:38
Speaker 6: We don't really think about that that way, but that's,
25:41
Speaker 6: you know, genetically, how we're wired.
25:42
Speaker 5: In order to do that. We have to live.
25:44
Speaker 6: We have to survive, so we worry about survival, but
25:47
Speaker 6: we don't typically think about that. So what do we
25:49
Speaker 6: think about We think about safety and security a few
25:52
Speaker 6: levels up.
25:54
Speaker 5: And I think that feeling safe and secure.
25:57
Speaker 6: We don't realize it's ultimately so we can pass on
25:59
Speaker 6: our DNA, but feeling safe and secure is really what
26:04
Speaker 6: drives us in a lot of ways, and belonging is
26:07
Speaker 6: part of that. We want people to think the way
26:09
Speaker 6: we do because then we feel safer.
26:11
Speaker 5: So I think we have these innate biological drives.
26:14
Speaker 6: Again, our culture has evolved a lot faster than our DNA,
26:18
Speaker 6: so we have these biological drives for when we were
26:21
Speaker 6: on the savannah and the planes and living in much
26:25
Speaker 6: less secure scenarios, and that hasn't changed fast enough.
26:30
Speaker 5: Compared to the security and safety that we have now.
26:33
Speaker 6: So I've always been interested in the truth and willing
26:38
Speaker 6: to like none of that really bothered me.
26:40
Speaker 5: But I think that.
26:43
Speaker 6: If you feel like you are insecure, if you don't
26:46
Speaker 6: have that security, that safety that we don't realize it's biological,
26:51
Speaker 6: but I think it leads to us, then no, I
26:53
Speaker 6: have you know, I've got to have one thing to
26:55
Speaker 6: stick to and I can't change my mind, and I've
26:57
Speaker 6: got to get.
26:57
Speaker 5: You to think the way I do, because then I
26:58
Speaker 5: feel safer. Yeah.
27:01
Speaker 7: Absolutely, is that the And it's all based on our
27:05
Speaker 7: preference or like our preferences the things our past experience
27:07
Speaker 7: is to determine what we feel safe with, what we
27:09
Speaker 7: don't feel safe with, and then what our need for
27:11
Speaker 7: feeling that security is. And so if we're insecure inside
27:14
Speaker 7: because we've had experiences that have left us uncomfortable in
27:17
Speaker 7: some way, it didn't go the way we wanted it
27:18
Speaker 7: to based on our previous experiences, or it's just something
27:20
Speaker 7: that's not pleasant to us, and we don't want we
27:22
Speaker 7: don't know how to handle it, or we don't want
27:24
Speaker 7: to handle it, and so we're uncomfortable, and so we're
27:26
Speaker 7: seeking to avoid that I from Ember happening again, either
27:28
Speaker 7: or something that's good and we want to we want
27:30
Speaker 7: to repeat that. So then we're that becomes our survival
27:32
Speaker 7: instinct in a way. Again, we don't think about it
27:35
Speaker 7: in that context, but we're trying to repeat the things
27:37
Speaker 7: that felt good and prevent the things that didn't feel good.
27:39
Speaker 7: And then it's just we've become so distracted by seeking
27:42
Speaker 7: to make a comfortable environment that we lose lose sight
27:47
Speaker 7: of what is really going on inside of us. We're okay,
27:50
Speaker 7: You're okay in every moment, and it's just if you don't,
27:53
Speaker 7: if you get distracted by the external things, you forget
27:56
Speaker 7: that you're okay inside, and then you're in survival mode
27:59
Speaker 7: instead of creative mode. And so once you've got that, uh,
28:02
Speaker 7: if you will face those things, if you'll go and
28:05
Speaker 7: ask yourself, why am I uncomfortable in this situation? What
28:07
Speaker 7: is it that I want to have happen? Is it okay?
28:09
Speaker 7: If it doesn't happen the way I want it to?
28:11
Speaker 7: Can I be okay, even if I don't get my way,
28:13
Speaker 7: which is really good. That's what I've come to recently
28:15
Speaker 7: is that every problem is the root of it is
28:17
Speaker 7: that we're not getting our way. So we're all two
28:19
Speaker 7: year olds throwing the tantrum in the store because because
28:21
Speaker 7: mom will buy the candy bar for you in every situation.
28:24
Speaker 7: Can boil it down to that.
28:26
Speaker 5: Once you get that I said it, I didn't mean
28:31
Speaker 5: just agreeing with you. I think I think you're right.
28:33
Speaker 7: Yeah, and so, and that's that goes to that. So
28:35
Speaker 7: like with JD's talking about, like do we question ourselves
28:38
Speaker 7: and if we're insecure inside, we're not feeling the safety
28:41
Speaker 7: and security. So we're trying to make We first need
28:43
Speaker 7: to make everything outside us the way we want it
28:45
Speaker 7: to be so that way we can ask those questions.
28:47
Speaker 7: But if we manipulate the outside to ask those questions,
28:51
Speaker 7: we're not actually asking the real question because we think
28:53
Speaker 7: then that if if I'm doing if I have this job,
28:56
Speaker 7: I have this relationship, if I have if I achieve
28:58
Speaker 7: this goal, then I'm okay. We're never actually facing the
29:01
Speaker 7: inside stuff, which is why are you chasing those things
29:04
Speaker 7: in the first place. Are you okay with the job
29:06
Speaker 7: without the job.
29:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, you're exactly right. We're not very good at
29:10
Speaker 5: asking questions.
29:11
Speaker 6: There's a great book called A More Beautiful Question by
29:13
Speaker 6: Burger that changed my life a decade or however long ago.
29:16
Speaker 5: And we have to ask those questions.
29:19
Speaker 6: The question our quote you just used that I had written,
29:24
Speaker 6: that's actually from the Matrix right where Morpheus says to Neo,
29:27
Speaker 6: it's the question that drives us. But ultimately I think
29:32
Speaker 6: it's you know, passing on your DNA safety. And then
29:35
Speaker 6: really what's conscious for our semi conscious, I guess, is
29:38
Speaker 6: this idea of belonging. You're right, we need to feel
29:41
Speaker 6: like we belong somewhere, and I think that's part of
29:42
Speaker 6: our safety. If I belong here, then I know what
29:45
Speaker 6: I'm doing. Most people don't like the discomfort. I really
29:51
Speaker 6: have taken on sort of the marine attitude. I was
29:54
Speaker 6: never a marine, but I've known a few. But this
29:56
Speaker 6: idea of you know, embracing discomfort, right, and in fact
30:02
Speaker 6: I try to. It's kind of like exposure therapy, right,
30:05
Speaker 6: where you put yourself in an uncomfortable situation and see
30:07
Speaker 6: what happens, and eventually, over time those situations when you
30:10
Speaker 6: don't die your your neolithic brain stem says, oh, I
30:16
Speaker 6: didn't die, so this isn't actually dangerous, right.
30:18
Speaker 7: It's how you got used to the red bull too.
30:21
Speaker 7: This tastes terrible, but let me see you try.
30:24
Speaker 6: And I think that's how you get used to drugs
30:26
Speaker 6: and alcoholics, until you get used the smoking. It's how
30:28
Speaker 6: you get used to anything. It's this exposure therapy. And
30:32
Speaker 6: we don't really talk a lot about that. It's amazing
30:35
Speaker 6: to me, for all of the information we have available
30:37
Speaker 6: to us in our society, the basic features of humanity
30:43
Speaker 6: are something that we miss a lot of. We just
30:46
Speaker 6: don't see them, we don't understand them.
30:48
Speaker 2: Right, speaking of drugs and alcohol and we talked about
30:54
Speaker 2: this a little bit last week. I was not familiar
30:56
Speaker 2: with is it?
30:57
Speaker 5: Is it?
30:57
Speaker 3: Johann Hari, Yeah, tell us about about this. It was
31:03
Speaker 3: a journalist, right.
31:04
Speaker 7: Yea journalists in England. Have you read those books, Brian?
31:07
Speaker 5: I have not Chasing the Scream.
31:09
Speaker 7: And Disconnection, I think is the other one Chasing the Screen.
31:12
Speaker 7: He's got a couple of them. But Chasing the Scream
31:14
Speaker 7: is about He goes into the history of opiate addiction
31:16
Speaker 7: and the War on drugs, and he speaks on the
31:19
Speaker 7: war drugs. It's really fascinating. But and then his book Disconnection,
31:24
Speaker 7: was more about depression, but basically the same topic. In
31:27
Speaker 7: both cases he's he's citing disconnect so like, kind of
31:30
Speaker 7: what you're talking about with the belonging, this need for
31:32
Speaker 7: belonging or this drive for belonging, the disconnection is what
31:35
Speaker 7: leads to depression and addiction. So my personal feeling is
31:40
Speaker 7: that addiction is a symptom of something else. It's never
31:43
Speaker 7: the root, cause it's always because like you said, like
31:45
Speaker 7: it's this exposure therapy approach. I like that. I'm gonna
31:48
Speaker 7: probably think more and use that kind of language with
31:51
Speaker 7: people because I think that's a good way of looking
31:52
Speaker 7: at it. Is you have an experience is uncomfortable, and
31:56
Speaker 7: so you seek to make it less uncomfortable, and so
31:59
Speaker 7: you might do that with alcohol. Now, sure it makes
32:01
Speaker 7: it less uncomfortable in that moment, and so you find
32:04
Speaker 7: relief and so oh this worked, and so on some
32:07
Speaker 7: maybe cellular level or you know, or conscious or a
32:10
Speaker 7: subconscious level, but you feel like this worked, I'm going
32:12
Speaker 7: to do this again. And then even though the next
32:14
Speaker 7: day you might feel hungover or down the road, that
32:17
Speaker 7: you have the health problems or legal problems or relationship issues,
32:21
Speaker 7: and there's so many different negative impacts that result or
32:24
Speaker 7: consequences from alcohol use when it gets to a problematic level.
32:28
Speaker 7: But if it fixed, fixed, right, But like if it
32:32
Speaker 7: resolves some of the discomfort in the moment, then you
32:35
Speaker 7: continue to go with it and you keep going back
32:37
Speaker 7: to it, and it's like that becomes that form of connection.
32:40
Speaker 7: But the more times you have an experience where you
32:43
Speaker 7: get what you want out of it, if you are
32:47
Speaker 7: disconnected from in different use of the word, if you're
32:49
Speaker 7: disconnected from the consequences, and I think that's how the
32:51
Speaker 7: addictions form. But it's always something that's traumaous. Depression is anxiety,
32:55
Speaker 7: which basically all the same thing as a body responding
32:58
Speaker 7: to something, whether or imagined. That alert puts you into
33:02
Speaker 7: this threat mode and then you're uncomfortable and you're trying
33:05
Speaker 7: to resolve that, and that's all, that's all survival.
33:08
Speaker 3: I gotta see I gotta see this Ted talk. Man.
33:10
Speaker 3: I I still haven't seen it.
33:11
Speaker 7: But I told you about this years ago. I know
33:14
Speaker 7: you can sit here and talking to you about this
33:16
Speaker 7: guy and his books.
33:17
Speaker 3: Shame on me, Shame on you.
33:19
Speaker 5: Regard he was the guy first time.
33:21
Speaker 7: So I'm no shame on Brian, shame on JD.
33:25
Speaker 2: This was the guy that was saying the the opposite
33:28
Speaker 2: of addiction is connection. Yeah, which which Will eberately was
33:32
Speaker 2: in here talking about the other day.
33:34
Speaker 3: Fascinating stuff.
33:35
Speaker 7: They're really good books. Johan Hary is a good writer,
33:38
Speaker 7: and and but the topics and his research, I think
33:41
Speaker 7: it's pretty sound. So he goes into a lot of details.
33:43
Speaker 3: Brian, you want to you want to weigh in on that.
33:46
Speaker 6: Yeah, I like what you said, and I think it's interesting.
33:50
Speaker 6: We see this interesting pattern. And I just was thinking
33:53
Speaker 6: about this pattern as you were telling me about that.
33:56
Speaker 6: What do we do as humans? We were inventors. We
33:59
Speaker 6: come up with it and we say, hey, I invented this,
34:01
Speaker 6: let's try it out. And we do a great job
34:04
Speaker 6: at that, and then twenty years later we find out, oh,
34:08
Speaker 6: taking steroids isn't really good for you.
34:10
Speaker 5: Who knew? Oh, giving kids smartphones isn't really good for them?
34:14
Speaker 5: Who knew?
34:14
Speaker 6: Right, So we invent these things and they solve one problem,
34:19
Speaker 6: but we totally ignore all the other side effects, or
34:21
Speaker 6: we don't know about the side effects long term.
34:24
Speaker 5: And so I think you're right.
34:25
Speaker 6: I think with alcohol, with drugs, we're trying to solve
34:28
Speaker 6: a problem, an emotion that we're uncomfortable with, something we're
34:31
Speaker 6: not dealing with in that moment, and it works. But
34:35
Speaker 6: then you have all the side effects long term, and
34:37
Speaker 6: it's easy for us. Well, I don't have them now,
34:39
Speaker 6: I'll be fine.
34:40
Speaker 5: Me and red bull. Eh, it'll probably kill me.
34:43
Speaker 6: One day if I don't change my ways, right, But
34:47
Speaker 6: I feel good now. So we're doing well, and we
34:50
Speaker 6: tend to do that. And I think we simplify things.
34:53
Speaker 6: I like to simplify things and under to understand them.
34:56
Speaker 6: But I think as humans again, our survival. If I
35:00
Speaker 6: look on the planes, I'm out there and I see
35:02
Speaker 6: a blade of grass moving, it's probably the wind, But
35:06
Speaker 6: all of our ancestors just said it's just the wind
35:08
Speaker 6: got eaten, right, And all of our ancestors it said,
35:11
Speaker 6: oh my god, that could be a lion and ran away.
35:13
Speaker 5: Whether it was or not, they lived.
35:14
Speaker 6: I mean, we're we're descended from people afraid of their
35:17
Speaker 6: own shadow, and so these tendencies that we have are
35:22
Speaker 6: quite interesting there there. We have to make split decisions
35:26
Speaker 6: on very little information, and that's part of survival. But
35:29
Speaker 6: when you translate that to the modern world and all
35:32
Speaker 6: the things we have access to that does not work
35:34
Speaker 6: in our favor.
35:35
Speaker 7: Absolutely we would. I'll so the people who see the
35:40
Speaker 7: blade of grass blows says the wind, they get eat
35:42
Speaker 7: and the people who say it's a lion and run
35:44
Speaker 7: away even if it's not his, survived. So what do
35:45
Speaker 7: you think about, Like this is a little tangent, but
35:47
Speaker 7: like this making I'm going on, I don't know, this
35:50
Speaker 7: is interesting to me. Like, so, like from natural selection
35:52
Speaker 7: or for survival of the fittest, how did they both survive?
35:55
Speaker 7: So obviously the ones who didn't think it was a
35:57
Speaker 7: lion got eaten, so they didn't survive. But we still
35:59
Speaker 7: have people that do that today.
36:00
Speaker 6: So it's like, yeah, because there wasn't always a lion there, right,
36:05
Speaker 6: So it's not that every single one that thought there
36:07
Speaker 6: wasn't a lion there got eaten.
36:09
Speaker 5: It was lucky the draw but.
36:12
Speaker 6: A significant portion of us, I would say, predominantly we
36:16
Speaker 6: you know, we derive from people who are afraid of
36:18
Speaker 6: their own shadows.
36:19
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was the thing. And also like if if
36:21
Speaker 7: we go into that's where society comes that society is
36:23
Speaker 7: gonna protect certain people like that and when we see
36:25
Speaker 7: that in our culture today. You know, there's there's people
36:29
Speaker 7: who are working and you know, surviving based on their
36:34
Speaker 7: own merits, and there's people who are not, and some
36:36
Speaker 7: of them can or can't. You I have a brother's autistic.
36:38
Speaker 7: He cannot if he was left to his own devices,
36:40
Speaker 7: he'd be dead in a week. So he needs someone
36:42
Speaker 7: to take care of him. So there are people that
36:44
Speaker 7: have physical limitations and stuff like that. So I'm not trying
36:46
Speaker 7: to say one anything's better or worse than an other.
36:48
Speaker 7: It's just this is the way it is. But like
36:50
Speaker 7: in that society, we can then have the people who
36:52
Speaker 7: are afraid of the wind rustling when there's nothing there,
36:55
Speaker 7: and the people who treat it as a legitimate threat,
36:57
Speaker 7: and the people who do survive the lion attack, you know,
37:00
Speaker 7: and somehow get away with that, you know. So there's
37:02
Speaker 7: like society that allows all of these different types to persist,
37:06
Speaker 7: even if not interesting.
37:08
Speaker 6: Art of society and it's language, right, what sets us
37:11
Speaker 6: apart from everything else as language and language is really
37:15
Speaker 6: the so so in the matrix to the architects, as
37:19
Speaker 6: the neo that hope is the quintessential human emotion, it's
37:24
Speaker 6: simultaneously the source of our greatest strength and our greatest weakness.
37:27
Speaker 6: I think language is the source of our greatest strength
37:30
Speaker 6: and our greatest weakness, because with language we can look.
37:33
Speaker 5: At all the things we've created and all the things
37:34
Speaker 5: we've done.
37:35
Speaker 6: But with language we can talk ourselves into some really
37:38
Speaker 6: bad places as well. But language is the reason why
37:40
Speaker 6: we say to ourselves, Oh, maybe there's a thing called ethics,
37:44
Speaker 6: and maybe that means that for those who can't take
37:47
Speaker 6: care of themselves, we help them, we take care of them,
37:49
Speaker 6: and we think that that's.
37:50
Speaker 5: The right thing to do. That's all language thing. I've had.
37:55
Speaker 6: We had puppies a few years ago, and one of
37:59
Speaker 6: the couple of puppies actually weren't doing well. And the dog,
38:03
Speaker 6: you know, wouldn't feed those puppies that weren't doing well.
38:06
Speaker 6: I couldn't tell that they weren't doing well or why
38:08
Speaker 6: they weren't, but she sensed it.
38:10
Speaker 5: There was no thought.
38:12
Speaker 6: In my dog's mind, oh man, I'm doing the wrong
38:15
Speaker 6: thing by not trying to save this one. She figured
38:18
Speaker 6: it wasn't going to survive, and she wasn't going to
38:20
Speaker 6: waste any of the milk on the Puppyes, that wouldn't
38:22
Speaker 6: survive and the animal kingdom is just vastly different from
38:24
Speaker 6: how we live. And I think the key difference is
38:27
Speaker 6: with language, we can talk ourselves into thinking different ways
38:32
Speaker 6: apart from what we're biologically wired for.
38:34
Speaker 7: Absolutely. Wow, it reminds me of the Four Agreements. I'm
38:38
Speaker 7: sure if you've come across that book. But he talks
38:40
Speaker 7: a lot about the power of the word being, being
38:43
Speaker 7: impeccable with your word, and how we speak everything into existence.
38:47
Speaker 7: So language really is that that is the root of
38:49
Speaker 7: all of that. And the Bible in the beginning was
38:51
Speaker 7: the word, you know. So a lot of different cultures
38:53
Speaker 7: that have that emphasis on language.
38:58
Speaker 6: Yeah, my first semester in college, I can't remember the name,
39:01
Speaker 6: but in English class or lit class, the professor showed
39:07
Speaker 6: a video of someone and this is on VHS and
39:10
Speaker 6: the video was from the eighties or seventies. But the
39:14
Speaker 6: woman said, language does our thinking for us. That changed
39:16
Speaker 6: my life right there. I've not ever let.
39:19
Speaker 5: Go of that.
39:19
Speaker 6: I don't know that she originated that expression, but I
39:22
Speaker 6: think about it all the time.
39:23
Speaker 5: Language does our thinking for us.
39:24
Speaker 6: In fact, as we have these conversations, by the end
39:27
Speaker 6: of this conversation, I will think slightly differently than when
39:31
Speaker 6: we started the conversation, because when you asked me questions,
39:33
Speaker 6: I hadn't thought of I'm going to have to generate answers,
39:36
Speaker 6: and then as I think about those answers, I'm going
39:38
Speaker 6: to think later on, yeah, I think I do believe that,
39:40
Speaker 6: or I'll think later on, boy, I don't really believe that.
39:43
Speaker 5: I wonder what I actually think on that. So language
39:45
Speaker 5: is quite interesting.
39:46
Speaker 6: A lot of times we talk ourselves into thinking something
39:49
Speaker 6: as we're answering something verbally.
39:51
Speaker 5: I find that quite interesting.
39:53
Speaker 7: I've done that a bunch of times. I remember I
39:55
Speaker 7: had this conversation with a friend's friend one time in college,
39:59
Speaker 7: and I was doing that as I as I say
40:03
Speaker 7: things out loud, then I hear myself saying it and
40:05
Speaker 7: it sounds different, and then I would I would change
40:07
Speaker 7: my mind mid conversation and I think, oh, you know what, No,
40:10
Speaker 7: I don't actually I don't think that that. I just
40:12
Speaker 7: like it was like I was having my own little debate,
40:14
Speaker 7: and I proved myself wrong. So I listened to as
40:17
Speaker 7: Thowis as a separate voice and so and she said
40:20
Speaker 7: that she said I was schizophrenic in my thinking or
40:23
Speaker 7: something like that, and I was, you know, twenty three
40:25
Speaker 7: year old kid trying to explain things or whatever, and
40:28
Speaker 7: so I said, maybe, but I don't know. You know,
40:30
Speaker 7: it's like if I if I hear something like you
40:32
Speaker 7: said before, when you're presented with new information, do you
40:34
Speaker 7: draw new conclusions or do you stick with what you
40:36
Speaker 7: believed before? Do you stay stuck in your rut because
40:39
Speaker 7: that's what's comfortable and familiar, back to the idea of
40:41
Speaker 7: survival and security and stuff like that. Stay with our
40:43
Speaker 7: beliefs because they're familiar to us. I grew up Mormon.
40:46
Speaker 7: I left the church about seven years ago now, and
40:49
Speaker 7: so talk about being stuck. You know, when I was
40:51
Speaker 7: in that very strong belief that I was raised and
40:54
Speaker 7: I had no reason to question it, and I fully
40:56
Speaker 7: believed it until I've obtained information about the church's history
40:59
Speaker 7: that said, oh, well, if this isn't true, then how
41:01
Speaker 7: is any of the rest of this stuff true? And
41:03
Speaker 7: so I finally took that approach, like, well, if I
41:05
Speaker 7: have new inform, Not finally, I mean it was my
41:07
Speaker 7: whole life. I was building up to this, being able
41:09
Speaker 7: to open up and to take a new information. I
41:10
Speaker 7: was always doing that, but like that for the big
41:12
Speaker 7: piece for that, that one final belief element. It was
41:16
Speaker 7: can I take new information and make a new decision
41:18
Speaker 7: and think? Can I be different? And so I allowed
41:21
Speaker 7: myself to do that and to transition. So yeah, absolutely,
41:23
Speaker 7: every every moment we're new. And so same thing with me,
41:26
Speaker 7: Like after this conversation, I will be a different person
41:28
Speaker 7: than I was beforehand. And that's great. That's that's the
41:31
Speaker 7: whole point, right.
41:32
Speaker 5: For me, anyway, I think.
41:33
Speaker 2: So, yeah, we get a comment here saying that's the
41:36
Speaker 2: difference between open and closed mindedness.
41:39
Speaker 7: Yeah, fixed and uh fixed and growth mindsets you get
41:43
Speaker 7: about another podcast.
41:46
Speaker 5: Yeah, growth mindset is really important.
41:49
Speaker 3: You know.
41:49
Speaker 2: I wanted to tell you guys that I just got
41:54
Speaker 2: back from a Monday night Carlos Santanta concert.
41:57
Speaker 7: Who cares JD. We're talking about important ha.
42:00
Speaker 2: Haal, don't do that now, come on now listen Carlos Santana.
42:06
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody knows unless you're really young like you, Paul,
42:11
Speaker 2: and we've never even heard heard of Carlos, unlike Brian
42:16
Speaker 2: and I. I mean this, this guy is the shaman
42:20
Speaker 2: of the music industry really, and to hear him come
42:24
Speaker 2: out on stage and speak to how so many of
42:28
Speaker 2: us are living our lives without discovering our inner light
42:34
Speaker 2: and our connection to others. That we're walking around with
42:39
Speaker 2: this facade. It's a big show. But rather to just
42:46
Speaker 2: be quiet, and I mean, here's a guy who is,
42:49
Speaker 2: you know, shredding on a guitar, but just to be
42:52
Speaker 2: quiet and listen to our inner voice was amazing and
42:56
Speaker 2: it just got me. It got me thinking about all
43:03
Speaker 2: of the possibilities of what you can accomplish in your
43:06
Speaker 2: life if you have an open mind. Look at Brian.
43:10
Speaker 2: So it it when we left the concert. It gave me,
43:16
Speaker 2: gave me a different perspective to think of, like the
43:23
Speaker 2: question I mean, Brian, Brian says in the matrix, of course,
43:27
Speaker 2: it's the question that drives us. What It's the question
43:30
Speaker 2: of what if?
43:32
Speaker 3: You know?
43:32
Speaker 2: Brian says, what if I took a culinary course at
43:38
Speaker 2: Penn College. What if I were to do this with
43:43
Speaker 2: this knowledge that I have, whether it's a degree on
43:47
Speaker 2: paper or not.
43:48
Speaker 3: What if?
43:49
Speaker 2: So, you know, I just got thinking, I'm like, what if?
43:55
Speaker 2: What a what a broad question that is, but what
43:57
Speaker 2: if our priorities changed? What if what's important to us
44:03
Speaker 2: today is not important to us at all a year
44:06
Speaker 2: from now? What if you're worrying about something that you
44:12
Speaker 2: look back and realize that you never needed to, that
44:15
Speaker 2: it was wasted time, wasted wasted energy. You know, what
44:21
Speaker 2: if what interests you today doesn't interest you at all
44:26
Speaker 2: a couple of months from now. I mean, Brian is
44:30
Speaker 2: our example of that. I mean, he's he's just you're you're,
44:35
Speaker 2: you're fluid.
44:38
Speaker 5: I try to be.
44:40
Speaker 6: I think I was influenced by a lot of different
44:42
Speaker 6: things over time, but I think it was.
44:46
Speaker 5: Was it Renee de Kart?
44:48
Speaker 6: I think therefore I am, uh, well, he got there
44:52
Speaker 6: because he's decided, well, I need to figure out what
44:56
Speaker 6: it is I actually believe, and I think I want
44:58
Speaker 6: to start from scratch. And he did discarded every The
45:01
Speaker 6: story is he discarded everything he believed, and he says, Okay,
45:05
Speaker 6: what do I know for sure? Well, he knows he's
45:07
Speaker 6: having thoughts, he's having experience of thoughts, and therefore he
45:11
Speaker 6: knows he exists, right, And I thought about that. I thought,
45:16
Speaker 6: how hard is that? Can you possibly discard everything you
45:19
Speaker 6: believe and start over? So that's what I tried to
45:22
Speaker 6: do in my early twenties, is I discarded everything I
45:25
Speaker 6: believed and I tried to start over and build from there.
45:28
Speaker 6: And there's an interesting tension. And I don't use this
45:33
Speaker 6: term lightly or with disrespect, but you mentioned, you know,
45:36
Speaker 6: your friend saying you were acting like you're a schizophrenic.
45:41
Speaker 6: I'm not a clinician, but in a sort of common
45:44
Speaker 6: everyday sense, I feel like all of us are somewhat schizophrenic.
45:49
Speaker 6: And the reason is we have what we were raised with.
45:52
Speaker 6: I call them knee jerk reactions.
45:54
Speaker 3: Right.
45:55
Speaker 6: I'm very philosophical, and I believe this is the way
45:58
Speaker 6: we should raise children. And then this happens, and without
46:01
Speaker 6: thinking about it, my knee jerk reaction is to act
46:03
Speaker 6: like my dad, right, whether I agreed with that moment
46:06
Speaker 6: or not. And so I'm constantly feeling like I have
46:11
Speaker 6: multiple minds on the subject because there's what I was
46:13
Speaker 6: raised with, and those neurons are so strong, so deeply entrenched.
46:18
Speaker 6: I'll be fighting them the rest of my life, the
46:20
Speaker 6: things I don't like that I developed as a kid
46:23
Speaker 6: or that I saw as a kid. And then you know,
46:25
Speaker 6: I'm trying to do that again through language, by by
46:29
Speaker 6: reanalyzing myself constantly. I think for me, I've never had
46:35
Speaker 6: a problem with that I wanted again because my goal
46:37
Speaker 6: was truth, then I want.
46:39
Speaker 5: The truth, no matter what it is.
46:40
Speaker 6: If I'm completely wrong, then I want to get rid
46:42
Speaker 6: of what I believe, and I want to believe in
46:44
Speaker 6: what is true. And so I think that's probably why
46:48
Speaker 6: I've been more fluid than maybe other people. But yeah,
46:52
Speaker 6: the fluidity, I think is a big deal. It certainly
46:57
Speaker 6: very Taoist.
46:58
Speaker 5: It allows you to handle any situation that comes at you. Theoretically, well, so.
47:06
Speaker 7: Can truth exist? Then? With an open mind? Can what?
47:08
Speaker 5: What? How?
47:08
Speaker 7: How do you know truth?
47:10
Speaker 5: Yeah?
47:10
Speaker 6: So this is interesting, right, truth does exist. Whether or
47:15
Speaker 6: not we can know it is another matter. We're finite,
47:19
Speaker 6: we have finite information. We will never know one of
47:24
Speaker 6: any truth. And I usually think about this. If you
47:27
Speaker 6: and I are on opposite sides of a mountain, I
47:30
Speaker 6: may describe the mountain as having a nice slope and
47:33
Speaker 6: it's got trees on it and it goes up really high.
47:35
Speaker 5: And on the other side of the mountain, you say, no,
47:37
Speaker 5: that's not the mountain. I'm looking at the mountain I'm
47:39
Speaker 5: looking at.
47:39
Speaker 6: It's got steep rock faces, and you know, you could
47:42
Speaker 6: climb on it, but it's anything but easy to walk.
47:45
Speaker 6: We're describing two sides of the same coin as the
47:47
Speaker 6: expression goes. And so our perspective is quite interesting. Because
47:51
Speaker 6: it's finite. It really hampers us. It's very hard to
47:55
Speaker 6: move beyond our finite experiences and our finite interpretations. And
48:02
Speaker 6: so as a result, the truth exists. We think there's
48:07
Speaker 6: obviously some truth of reality. At the very least, I know,
48:10
Speaker 6: I'm having experiences, and you all could just be in
48:12
Speaker 6: my head, right if I'm a slipsyst and so you
48:15
Speaker 6: could just be in my head. And the only thing
48:17
Speaker 6: I know for sure is I'm having experiences right now.
48:19
Speaker 6: The past, those memories could have been implanted, they could
48:23
Speaker 6: just be made up. The future doesn't exist. All I
48:26
Speaker 6: know is I'm right here, right now, having experiences. I
48:29
Speaker 6: don't even know that you're real. I had this argument
48:31
Speaker 6: for quite a long time with students.
48:33
Speaker 5: I don't know that you're real at all. I just
48:35
Speaker 5: know that in my head, I'm having these interaction.
48:37
Speaker 7: Experiences right because you can have a dream state where
48:40
Speaker 7: you are you're interacting with people, having a conversation, and
48:44
Speaker 7: is that any more or less real than this conversation
48:46
Speaker 7: right now, or you sitting in person with your class.
48:48
Speaker 7: I use that two sides thing all the time, like
48:50
Speaker 7: the mountain, you know, usually with a chair in my office,
48:53
Speaker 7: I'll say what do you see? And then I'm at
48:55
Speaker 7: a different angle and say, well I see this, and
48:56
Speaker 7: like we're not describing the same thing. But yeah, thats
49:00
Speaker 7: Ruiz does that with the Four Agreements. He talks about
49:02
Speaker 7: that that's the truth. The truth is in the thing.
49:04
Speaker 3: He said.
49:04
Speaker 7: There is truth, whether or not we can put it
49:06
Speaker 7: into language. Again, back to language, and that's what in
49:10
Speaker 7: the Four Agreements.
49:11
Speaker 5: He uses that.
49:11
Speaker 7: He's like, there's a tree and you might call it
49:14
Speaker 7: a beautiful tree, and I might call it an ugly tree.
49:15
Speaker 7: I think it's an evasive species needs to be cut
49:17
Speaker 7: down and destroyed, and you think it's beautiful. I love
49:19
Speaker 7: the way it looks. I want to keep it there forever.
49:21
Speaker 7: And so which one is true?
49:23
Speaker 5: Well?
49:23
Speaker 7: The tree, well, but he calls it our bowl because
49:26
Speaker 7: he's he's a Spanish speaker, native Spanish speaker, so he
49:28
Speaker 7: calls it our bowl. I call it trees, Like, so
49:29
Speaker 7: what is it then? Is it our bowl? Or is
49:31
Speaker 7: a tree? What is the truth there? So the truth
49:32
Speaker 7: is in the physical structure of that tree. But then
49:37
Speaker 7: as soon as we start to put language onto it.
49:39
Speaker 7: We've lost them, lost some of its truthfulness.
49:42
Speaker 6: And again are we talking truth or fact? Right, there's
49:45
Speaker 6: a fact. It is so truth in fact or two
49:51
Speaker 6: different things. And so that leads us into issues as well.
49:54
Speaker 6: Our symbolic representation of something is not the thing. Alan
49:57
Speaker 6: Watt says all the time. You know, we shouldn't confus
50:00
Speaker 6: this symbol of the thing for the thing itself. Plato
50:03
Speaker 6: talked about the forms, right, that the desk that we
50:06
Speaker 6: see here is modeled after an ideal desk.
50:09
Speaker 5: So quite interesting.
50:11
Speaker 6: Language gives us all these problems, great powers, but all
50:15
Speaker 6: these problems as well, these difficulties. And language not only
50:18
Speaker 6: does our thinking for us, but it makes it feel real.
50:20
Speaker 6: If I can describe a unicorn, and I can draw unicorn,
50:24
Speaker 6: it feels real even if I've never seen one. So
50:29
Speaker 6: language makes things feel real. So if I say to
50:31
Speaker 6: you this happened, or that this event is true, or
50:34
Speaker 6: that I believe this, it feels real to me and
50:36
Speaker 6: now it exists exactly. So if I think in my head,
50:39
Speaker 6: oh man, JD just gave me a look. He's mad
50:41
Speaker 6: at me, Now it's real to me because of the
50:44
Speaker 6: language that I used.
50:45
Speaker 7: Exactly, that's what epigenetics is like Joe Despenza and into
50:50
Speaker 7: the epigenics. He talks about that if you say I
50:52
Speaker 7: am depressed, you're commanding your body to be depressed. So
50:55
Speaker 7: we're giving ourselves. We give ourselves labels and symbology. And
50:57
Speaker 7: then I just forgot the other fine thing. I thought
51:00
Speaker 7: you said something that's made me think of something I
51:02
Speaker 7: forgot already.
51:03
Speaker 2: And then the next thing, you know, we're a hypochondriact
51:06
Speaker 2: because we're self diagnosing.
51:09
Speaker 5: You're a hypochondriac if you're afraid of all those things. Yes,
51:12
Speaker 5: it's to embrace the fact that this is life.
51:14
Speaker 6: That I'm gonna break a leg, I'm gonna you know,
51:18
Speaker 6: I'm gonna lose money, I'm gonna get cheated. People aren't
51:21
Speaker 6: always like if we accepted our experiences of reality for
51:26
Speaker 6: what they were without judging them, then we wouldn't become
51:29
Speaker 6: necessarily hypochondriacs.
51:31
Speaker 2: I want to ask you, but I ask you both
51:33
Speaker 2: about ADHD. I mean, so many of us are saying
51:38
Speaker 2: I have ADHD, but a doctor has never told us
51:43
Speaker 2: that we've were just under this very strong assumption by
51:48
Speaker 2: the way we think we're self diagnosing. Do you think
51:52
Speaker 2: is do you believe in what I'm saying, is that
51:57
Speaker 2: something that you share that same opinion on Brian.
52:01
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, ADHD is an interesting one. So as an
52:05
Speaker 6: evolutionary biologist, right, the things that we have are traits
52:09
Speaker 6: that have survived for some reason. And I can't remember
52:13
Speaker 6: the article now, but in the last couple of years
52:14
Speaker 6: an article came out and they suggested, well, look, ADHD
52:18
Speaker 6: is a survival mechanism. The hunter gatherers that went to
52:21
Speaker 6: gather berries, if you were focused and you were going
52:24
Speaker 6: to do your job well, and they were berries, you
52:26
Speaker 6: get the low hanging berries.
52:27
Speaker 5: But then as you try to go for fruit higher up,
52:29
Speaker 5: it takes more and more time. The ADHD hunter gatherer
52:33
Speaker 5: would grab the litw berries. Oh there's more over here,
52:35
Speaker 5: Oh there's more over here.
52:36
Speaker 6: Before you know it, they're back at their camp with
52:39
Speaker 6: their berries. The other guy's still trying to finish the
52:41
Speaker 6: one tree. So I think ADHD. Actually, I think that
52:46
Speaker 6: mental health issues, as we refer to them, I think
52:49
Speaker 6: a lot of them are really just survival mechanisms that
52:53
Speaker 6: have persisted. ADHD is a great survival mechanism in keeping
52:58
Speaker 6: us moving. Great survival because then you're harder to track
53:02
Speaker 6: because you're always moving around, you're using less energy because
53:05
Speaker 6: you're getting the low lying fruit, so to speak. I
53:08
Speaker 6: don't think there's anything wrong with having ADHD as part
53:12
Speaker 6: of your makeup, and even self identifying is that, and
53:15
Speaker 6: then it's a matter of using that to your advantage.
53:19
Speaker 6: Cure Guard wrote a long time ago an article called
53:23
Speaker 6: the Rotation of Crops, and he said, look what we
53:27
Speaker 6: ought to do is we ought to work on something
53:29
Speaker 6: and then you know, we can move on to something else.
53:32
Speaker 6: If you continue to go with you know your nature
53:36
Speaker 6: in that sense, you can keep your attention longer. So
53:39
Speaker 6: I don't think that. In fact, I don't think the
53:42
Speaker 6: mental health issues that we see in our society are
53:44
Speaker 6: necessarily bad. I think that they were survival mechanisms for
53:48
Speaker 6: different periods of time that have stuck around and we
53:51
Speaker 6: just don't know how to handle them properly.
53:53
Speaker 5: Absolutely, they're just inconvenient in society, is what I should say. Right,
53:57
Speaker 5: That's why we lost, because they're inconvenient for us because
54:00
Speaker 5: more time well, and.
54:02
Speaker 7: It doesn't it breaks down that everything makes sense perspective.
54:07
Speaker 7: If somebody wants to have everything be familiar and be
54:10
Speaker 7: everything needs to be in its place so that I
54:12
Speaker 7: can be okay. You go into someone's house and you
54:14
Speaker 7: start moving around their little trinkets of their furniture and
54:16
Speaker 7: stuff like that, they might get uncomfortable because you've shifted
54:19
Speaker 7: their environment and they're not comfortable with that environment, so
54:21
Speaker 7: they want to put it back the way it was.
54:23
Speaker 7: Does it matter if the sofa is on this side
54:25
Speaker 7: of the wall? That wall punctue would say it does?
54:27
Speaker 7: There is some there's some thought in that. I'm not
54:29
Speaker 7: studying that enough, but you know, but realistically, if you
54:32
Speaker 7: move around the figurines on someone's mantlepiece of their pictures
54:34
Speaker 7: on the wall, they might feel uncomfortable. You don't feel
54:37
Speaker 7: it because there's no meaning to you. But if that's
54:39
Speaker 7: the environment that they've created, this is where I feel safe,
54:41
Speaker 7: and then you start to mess with that, then they
54:43
Speaker 7: feel unsafe. And because they're not fluid, they're not going
54:45
Speaker 7: with it, they're not open to it. And so maybe
54:48
Speaker 7: that's part of it. We get we have all these
54:50
Speaker 7: anomalies and society and society two hundre years ago, a
54:52
Speaker 7: hundred and fift years ago put people in asylums, So
54:54
Speaker 7: let's just take them out, you know, And for whatever
54:56
Speaker 7: I don't I wasn't there, So I can't say what
54:58
Speaker 7: their reasoning was for that, but it was to hide
55:00
Speaker 7: the anomaly, take the people who aren't fitting in the
55:02
Speaker 7: way we want them, to get them out of the way.
55:04
Speaker 7: Or was it the best care they could provide. I
55:06
Speaker 7: don't know, but I guess in this line of thinking,
55:08
Speaker 7: maybe if we're just if we're trying to keep everything
55:11
Speaker 7: sameness so that it's familiar, so it's comfortable. So it's
55:14
Speaker 7: Main Street USA, everywhere is the same franchises, every McDonald's
55:18
Speaker 7: is supposed to be the exact same thing, so that
55:19
Speaker 7: you have this sense of comfort whenever you travel, you
55:21
Speaker 7: can go into the same restaurant whether whatever it is,
55:24
Speaker 7: and it's going to be the same thing it is
55:25
Speaker 7: in your hometown. And they that's the thing that humans like,
55:28
Speaker 7: that comfort. And so maybe just by identifying all these
55:32
Speaker 7: things as problems, it's a way to try and force
55:35
Speaker 7: that sameness. And I don't know that anybody's doing that
55:37
Speaker 7: on purpose or consciously trying to make everybody cut all
55:41
Speaker 7: the tall blades of grass so everything's the same level.
55:43
Speaker 7: It's just something that society does maybe because it's more
55:45
Speaker 7: comfortable or familiar.
55:47
Speaker 5: Well it is again I think we go back to safety.
55:49
Speaker 6: But Harari points out in his Sapiens book, and we've
55:53
Speaker 6: known this for a while, that genetically we're wired for
55:55
Speaker 6: groups of fifty to one hundred and fifty. You cannot
55:59
Speaker 6: if you think about the relationships if you had fifty people,
56:03
Speaker 6: that's what twelve twenty five relationships. There's me and you,
56:07
Speaker 6: there's me and JD, there's just you two, right, if
56:10
Speaker 6: you add up all the relationships.
56:12
Speaker 5: And so.
56:14
Speaker 6: When you look at that, we can't keep track of that.
56:17
Speaker 6: We just don't have the bandwidth for it. And so
56:20
Speaker 6: we're wired for these small groups and we're not wired
56:23
Speaker 6: for large groups. Well, what evolved over time for large
56:26
Speaker 6: groups was religion, government, and money, and so those were
56:30
Speaker 6: the great unifiers. And now what we try to do
56:34
Speaker 6: is we've gotten into this habit of well, we don't
56:38
Speaker 6: realize that we're wired for small groups, but we want
56:40
Speaker 6: to feel like we're safe and we want to feel
56:42
Speaker 6: like we belong, and so we try to force this
56:44
Speaker 6: large group society, this nationalism, to pervade again from our
56:50
Speaker 6: desire to feel safe and secure and belong. Rather than
56:54
Speaker 6: recognize it, we just don't talk about it. But we
56:55
Speaker 6: should recognize it. It's okay that I'm only close with
56:59
Speaker 6: a couple people and we can follow basic rules in
57:03
Speaker 6: this society so that we're not hurting each other and
57:05
Speaker 6: that sort of thing. But I don't have to agree
57:07
Speaker 6: with your political views. I don't have to agree with
57:10
Speaker 6: your religious views, and that's okay. One of the things
57:13
Speaker 6: I love about philosophers typically is that we'll disagree vehemently
57:17
Speaker 6: about ideas and then you know, when we're done talking
57:19
Speaker 6: about it, we'll go to the pub and we'll get
57:21
Speaker 6: a drink and we'll laugh and joke. Because our disagreement
57:25
Speaker 6: doesn't mean you and I can't be friends, but for
57:28
Speaker 6: most people that I have experienced with it, it does
57:30
Speaker 6: mean we can't be friends.
57:32
Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, that's that's huge think. I think that's the
57:35
Speaker 7: most important things for us to take in is you
57:39
Speaker 7: can disagree with someone, but not that it has nothing
57:42
Speaker 7: to do with you.
57:43
Speaker 6: It's not pretre but it interferes with our feelings. Safe
57:46
Speaker 6: exactly if we could bring that information to people so
57:49
Speaker 6: they recognize, hey, it's again exposure therapy.
57:52
Speaker 5: You're safe. It's okay. We don't have to or agree
57:55
Speaker 5: in order for you to be safe.
57:58
Speaker 2: Paul and I I've said to Paul before, We've had
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Speaker 2: arguments about this. I'm like, Paul, how, how how is
58:08
Speaker 2: it possible that you you don't like strawberry shortcake.
58:12
Speaker 7: One time he hit me with a table, He broke
58:15
Speaker 7: a table across my back because because he didn't he
58:17
Speaker 7: didn't agree with my.
58:19
Speaker 2: I just can't understand how anyone Brian could possibly not
58:27
Speaker 2: love I didn't say like I said, love strawberry Shortcake
58:31
Speaker 2: the fourth of July.
58:32
Speaker 7: Come on, Paul, Yeah, you have to. I did too.
58:37
Speaker 7: JD's actually insane. He doesn't know what he's talking about.
58:40
Speaker 7: This one of the fever.
58:41
Speaker 2: Dreams because I got ticked off because you didn't like
58:44
Speaker 2: Strawberry Shortcake.
58:45
Speaker 3: I don't understand that.
58:46
Speaker 7: I'm so uncomfortable with the idea that people think that
58:48
Speaker 7: I don't like Strawberry Shortcake that I can't even go
58:50
Speaker 7: along with the ruise anymore. I can't. I can't go
58:54
Speaker 7: along with a skit because I like Strawberry Shortcake.
58:58
Speaker 3: Is the uh.
58:59
Speaker 6: I want you to know that you should feel accepted
59:01
Speaker 6: in love regardless, thank you, even if I don't everybody.
59:05
Speaker 5: You just need a couple of people to love you.
59:07
Speaker 7: That's right. That's always my way. I don't I don't
59:09
Speaker 7: care if I gotta, if I gotta, I don't even
59:10
Speaker 7: need anybody. I don't know. But if I have a
59:12
Speaker 7: few few people I can connect with it, I'm happy.
59:14
Speaker 2: Listen Brian, your your connection with Sweethearts and Heroes and
59:19
Speaker 2: how you how you met Tom and your son, Brian,
59:23
Speaker 2: who is just such an amazing guy. Tom is blessed
59:28
Speaker 2: to have all of you as a member of his
59:31
Speaker 2: Sweethearts and Sweethearts and Heroes team and family. What is
59:37
Speaker 2: it that you're you're hoping to and I'm I'm sure
59:41
Speaker 2: you've had some pretty deep conversations with with Tom. What
59:45
Speaker 2: is it that you're hoping to to bring is it?
59:49
Speaker 2: Is it perspective to a different perspective for the staff
59:54
Speaker 2: or or you looking to get to the audience of
59:58
Speaker 2: Sweethearts and heroes and speak to them directly.
1:00:03
Speaker 5: Probably a combination.
1:00:06
Speaker 6: I have obviously lots of experience at the college level,
1:00:10
Speaker 6: and I think that bringing Sweethearts and Heroes to colleges
1:00:14
Speaker 6: is a big deal, and so that's one thing I'm
1:00:16
Speaker 6: working on.
1:00:16
Speaker 5: I'm working on.
1:00:18
Speaker 6: Brian's done a great job writing the Brave program, and
1:00:22
Speaker 6: so I'm simply coming in. I've been, you know, making
1:00:25
Speaker 6: some minor tweaks here and there, just to help it
1:00:29
Speaker 6: maybe flow better or to really we've been working lately
1:00:33
Speaker 6: on tracking, you know, connecting the Brave program to New
1:00:36
Speaker 6: York State Portrait of graduate to the SEL components so
1:00:39
Speaker 6: that teachers can see, Oh, if I do this, then
1:00:41
Speaker 6: it meets this requirement for graduation.
1:00:46
Speaker 5: I would love.
1:00:48
Speaker 6: The part of PAT teaching that I loved was being
1:00:50
Speaker 6: in front of the classroom. I was like acting, so
1:00:51
Speaker 6: I loved bringing difficult concepts to people and explaining it
1:00:55
Speaker 6: to them.
1:00:55
Speaker 5: So being in the classroom was the best. Hated grading.
1:00:59
Speaker 6: Wasn't a fan of all my administrative duties here and there.
1:01:02
Speaker 6: So Sweetheartans and the Heroes is really ideal for me
1:01:05
Speaker 6: because it's the parts of teaching that I loved and
1:01:07
Speaker 6: none of the parts I didn't like. So and then ultimately,
1:01:11
Speaker 6: if I could be involved, I've done a little bit
1:01:14
Speaker 6: of traveling already, but I'd like to be involved in
1:01:16
Speaker 6: bringing circles to places.
1:01:17
Speaker 5: When Tom feels I'm ready, so I'd like to do
1:01:20
Speaker 5: all of it.
1:01:21
Speaker 6: I again get bored easy, so I need to do
1:01:23
Speaker 6: computer work and hands on.
1:01:26
Speaker 2: Amazing to have you on this morning. Thank you ever
1:01:29
Speaker 2: so much, Brian, pleasure, hope to meet you.
1:01:34
Speaker 5: We all come up sometime.
1:01:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for coming on so much. We'd love to
1:01:40
Speaker 2: have you. We got room for you on the couch
1:01:42
Speaker 2: here anytime.
1:01:43
Speaker 3: Man.
1:01:43
Speaker 5: Yeah, sounds good. I appreciate it.
1:01:45
Speaker 3: Fascinating stuff. Thank you so much. Doctor Yep, all right. Wow,
1:01:51
Speaker 3: what do you think Paul's cool?
1:01:54
Speaker 5: I like him.
1:01:54
Speaker 7: I could talk to him.
1:01:56
Speaker 3: I know you could and you did. Yeah you did.
1:02:00
Speaker 2: Wow, good stuff man, great stuff. Listen that the cooling
1:02:07
Speaker 2: with the fire department where they're going to be spraying
1:02:10
Speaker 2: people with the water hose.
1:02:11
Speaker 3: You are not going to go down for that.
1:02:13
Speaker 7: No, I'm not going to be there.
1:02:14
Speaker 3: Really, but it's going to be hot outpost.
1:02:17
Speaker 7: It's like sixty degrees in my office. Oh but the
1:02:19
Speaker 7: Ace Clantard building does an amazing job. It's so comfort Yeah.
1:02:25
Speaker 7: I walk in and I'm sweating, and then I change
1:02:28
Speaker 7: into sweatpants and the sweatshirt. When I get in my office,
1:02:31
Speaker 7: I'm freezing. The back of my head is cold, my
1:02:34
Speaker 7: ears are freezing. And I walk out of there and
1:02:36
Speaker 7: it's sweating again.
1:02:37
Speaker 3: Wow.
1:02:37
Speaker 2: And they're going to be turning on the fire hoses
1:02:42
Speaker 2: between one and three point thirty today.
1:02:44
Speaker 7: If they're turning on the ice cream hoses, you let
1:02:46
Speaker 7: me know. I'll be there for that.
1:02:48
Speaker 3: That's different.
1:02:50
Speaker 2: They're also going to do it from noon to two tomorrow.
1:02:53
Speaker 2: So get on out, get the family over Currier Park.
1:02:57
Speaker 2: The food trucks, the farmer's market, the live music, and
1:03:03
Speaker 2: the fire hoses are all going to be happening.
1:03:05
Speaker 7: That sounds so chaotic.
1:03:07
Speaker 2: Doesn't it. Well, there's ice cream involved too. You can
1:03:09
Speaker 2: get some ice cream too. Better eat it fast.
1:03:11
Speaker 7: Watch out those those fire hose operators.
1:03:14
Speaker 2: Gill frisky, and don't flight the cooling shelters up at
1:03:19
Speaker 2: the Burry Auditorium.
1:03:21
Speaker 3: They're also given out free water as well. Here.
1:03:23
Speaker 2: Over the next couple of days, the heat index is
1:03:27
Speaker 2: right anywhere from ninety five to like one hundred and
1:03:31
Speaker 2: ten across Vermont. And I'm not joking. That is that's
1:03:35
Speaker 2: serious heat. Please check on your neighbors if you can,
1:03:40
Speaker 2: whether no matter who they are, whether you even like
1:03:44
Speaker 2: them or not, if they're especially if they're disabled or elderly.
1:03:49
Speaker 2: Check on your neighbors. Mountaineers going to be in action
1:03:53
Speaker 2: this weekend. There's a lot happening. Fireworks everywhere, a thunder
1:03:58
Speaker 2: Road of course tomorrow and tomorrow night, and then also
1:04:04
Speaker 2: Shaggy is going to be performing at the Lake Mory
1:04:09
Speaker 2: Summer Concerts Series all night.
1:04:12
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you know I was afraid you were
1:04:14
Speaker 3: going to say that.
1:04:15
Speaker 7: What else MNNA say? Who's Shaggy?
1:04:18
Speaker 3: Paul? You know what?
1:04:21
Speaker 8: What?
1:04:22
Speaker 3: There's hope for you?
1:04:22
Speaker 4: Bub?
1:04:24
Speaker 3: Why there is?
1:04:26
Speaker 7: Are you applying it? There's something wrong with me?
1:04:27
Speaker 3: No, not at all.
1:04:29
Speaker 7: Sounds like you are.
1:04:30
Speaker 3: No, not at all.
1:04:31
Speaker 7: Sure, seems like you are.
1:04:33
Speaker 3: Not at all.
1:04:35
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