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Hello and welcome to the Eat More Carbs podcast.
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My name is Jenna Fischer and I'm here with my Co host Riley
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Beatty. Today I'm going to be talking to
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Riley all about her journey from being AD one athlete to becoming
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a sports dietitian. Before we get into some of the
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questions for Riley, what's your high and low?
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So my low this week is the weather.
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It is P soup outside in Charleston right now.
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I'm not a fan. Like, I do not know how I was
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running around playing soccer in this weather, you know, 15 years
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ago because it is like 85% humidity outside.
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And I I just, I'm not, I'm not strong enough for it these.
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Days. That's fair, especially when
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it's already warm out and then you add humidity on top of that.
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It's just the worst combination. I think the worst part about it
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is I have like a false sense of like hope because I look at the
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weather and I'll be like, it's 75° out and I'm like, yes, I
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love this temperature. And then it'd be like, but it
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feels like 98 because we have 85% humidity.
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So my hopes are just crushed on a daily basis.
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And it's hard to do anything when it's just like hot and slow
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and muggy outside well. I think that one of the big
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issues I have, and I've shared about this on a different
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podcast, but like every time I go outside and like I start
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sweating and then I'm like soaking wet and then I have to
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change my outfit and it's this whole ordeal.
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I'm going through like three or four outlets per day.
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What about your high? So my some people might think
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this is a low, but it's it's not bad because I love food.
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But something that you and I have talked about on previous
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podcasts is that I sometimes, because my mom brain now, I
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forget my highs and my lows. So I've been writing them down.
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I noticed that a lot of my highs, if not a majority of my
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highs are related to food. And that's not a bad thing
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because we love food. But I thought it was interesting
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that a lot of the highs are like food related.
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Like I tried a new food or a new flavor came out or something
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related to food. I also love that this is a
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reminder that food is not just fuel, but it's something for
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enjoyment. It's clear based off of my high
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list. Or even like Charlie, trying new
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foods. She just tried beans.
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Does she? You like them?
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Yeah, we did like some like some like unsalted refried beans and
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I like mixed some milk with them to like, make a paste.
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And she's like, like everything that she's had.
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That's awesome, yeah. What about you?
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What's your high in your? Low.
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I'm going to start with my low this time of year, same as
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Riley, kind of like with the increase in temperature when I'm
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trying to do any type of cardiovascular exercise during
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this time of year when it is so much hotter out, my heart rate
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is so much higher than it is in cooler temperatures.
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And I don't know that much about that correlation, but like I
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know that there is something there and how much harder it
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feels to exercise, especially for me cardiovascular wise this
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time of year. So if you're like me and you're
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kind of getting discouraged by seeing like it's harder to run,
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it's harder to keep up with pace, it's harder to keep up
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with time and all those things. Like it might simply have
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something to do with like the environment that you're running
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in. It's not necessarily that like
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you're making regression in your training or things like that.
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So it's a low for sure. But at the same time, like a
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good reminder that like that doesn't necessarily mean that we
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aren't progressing in our training and things like like
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that. So that's my love for the week.
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That's a good reminder because I will say that my time is going
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down because of the weather. Thank you.
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Yeah, My high is that we officially know that we are
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going to be staying in Arizona for a little bit longer.
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So everything is official. Everybody knows now what's going
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to be happening with us. And that was mostly to do with
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my husband's job. But I'm really happy to know at
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least for an extended period of time where we're going to be.
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I'm really excited not to have to move again this year.
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I feel like I've moved once every year.
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That's what that feels like, me being very dramatic and I'm
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really excited to be staying in the same place, to not have to
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kind of pick up and start over again.
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Very excited. Huge high.
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Yeah, yeah. That's so exciting.
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Thanks. We're excited for sure.
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Today we're going to be talking all about your journey from D1
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athlete to Sports Rd. So First off, if you didn't
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know, Riley played Division One soccer at NC State.
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Why soccer this is? Such a great question because
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when I first started in sports, I don't think soccer was the
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move really. Yeah, I first started off
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playing soccer. I guess my first memory of me
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playing soccer was like YMCA. There's like 20 kids on the
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field. Like everybody's running around,
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like chasing the soccer ball. And like, I was not into it.
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I was not into it, which is like kind of crazy because I'm so
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competitive. The only memory I have is like,
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running around in like a penny. That was like way too big for
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me. And my mom told me the last game
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of our season. This is so random that I
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remember this, but the last game of our season that if I scored
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two goals, Please remember that. I have not scored any goals the
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entire season. I don't think touched the ball.
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If I scored two goals that she would buy me a banana split from
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Dairy Queen. Like that is my memory with
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soccer and I did not score two goals.
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I think I might have touched the ball in like that last game
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because I was so motivated to get the banana split.
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I didn't get the banana split because my mom was like, you
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didn't score two goals, but I wasn't going to.
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I think I just I just always loved being outside and as I
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like started to get older, I would play outside and soccer I
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feel like is what everybody plays.
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And then I slowly got into soccer when we moved from
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Minnesota, where I started soccer, to North Carolina, which
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is now where I claim I'm from. My dad became my coach.
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I don't know. I just started really liking it,
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became one of the better kids on the team.
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And I just, I've always really liked it.
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And I did try other sports like basketball and volleyball and
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things like that, which I really liked volleyball, but I'm short.
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But I've never succeeded. I didn't like basketball because
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they blew the whistle at you too much.
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I felt like, yeah, I just like, always liked soccer.
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And then it kind of just like my love for it grew as soon as I
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got in middle school, high school, I was like, I'm playing
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in college, like that's what I'm going to do.
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And my parents like didn't push me or anything.
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It was all it was all self motivated.
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So you already knew, even in middle school and in high
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school, that like college soccer, collegiate soccer was
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your goal. Was it college soccer something
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that you felt was like just the natural next step?
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Or did you feel like you needed to like, work really hard to be
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a collegiate soccer player? I think it's super interesting
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because now working with athletes, like these days when I
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was playing, there was not a pro option.
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So the highest you could go was college sport for women.
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And they've even seen that transition, like working in
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college sports, like over the last, you know, 5-10 years where
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almost every single guy that comes in like would come into my
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office, baseball, football, soccer, basketball, they were
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like, I want to play pro, I want to go to the league.
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And that was never an option. Like that wasn't something that
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you did as a woman soccer player.
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That dialogue is now changing a lot, which is really cool
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because now we see, you know, these women athletes coming
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through and being like, I want to play pro and, you know,
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different sports. So so I think for me, I thought
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I want to play college soccer because that's the highest
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level. Yes, there was like the US team,
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but that wasn't that wasn't happening for me.
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I wanted to play because I just wanted to be the best because I
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was competitive and I knew that college soccer was the way to do
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that. I also just really loved the
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sport. You weren't ready to walk away
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at the end of high. School and I think was really
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interesting too, is we were talking about how the
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environment around you like shapes you and because of the
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teams I was on, it was almost like an expectation that you
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were going to play. They call it soccer like that's
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why you were on the team. It's like to play soccer in
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college. We've talked a lot about your
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fueling once you got to college, like ice cream in NC State, and
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that being something that was a regular staple for you.
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But did you feel at the time when you were playing in college
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that your fueling was adequate to support your training?
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No, I think that started early in high school as well, because
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I don't think I understood the importance of nutrition.
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Then it started to really affect my play and my body composition.
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And there was some negative things said to me during that,
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like recruiting process kind of when I was going through
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puberty, when I was kind of figuring myself out in high
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school, all that really fun stuff.
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I started to develop, you know, really negative behaviors and
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thoughts about food. I wouldn't say it was like a
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conscious thing. I would still like eat ice
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cream, but then I would skip dinner so I could eat the ice
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cream. So there was a lot of like rules
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I had made-up and a lot of like good foods, bad foods, things
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like that where I was probably overfueling if you want to look
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at it from like calorie perspective.
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But then I was under feeling for the athletic demand I was
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putting on my body. What are some things that you
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wish you could go back and change about that time and
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feeling like what would be the number one thing?
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I really think that I wish I just had more education around
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it, especially at a younger age, because if I had better
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education around it and if I had more positive messaging, I think
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that would have really helped some of my behaviours going
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forward because that foundation is just so important.
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Even if you can kind of change your beliefs at an older age, I
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feel like there's always going to be some struggles that you
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inherit from those negative experiences earlier on.
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When you graduated, did you know that the next step for you was
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to become a dietitian? Was that the goal?
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I actually want to go to medical school, which is kind of funny
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now because I always joke that if I had gone to medical school,
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I would probably be in the same position I am now because I have
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such like a entrepreneurial heart where I would have
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probably just started like a medical practice and done
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something similar to what I'm doing now, but just in a
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different space. I had to go to medical school
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because to become a dietitian, you have to take a ton of
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science classes. When I first went into
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undergrad, my main priority was to play soccer and my dad
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actually suggested nutrition because I like to eat.
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But again, right, that kind of goes back to like, I loved food.
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I was eating all this food I didn't understand.
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I had like, it was this, I was stuck in this like weird love,
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hate relationship with food. I was like, OK, maybe I'll, you
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know, studying nutrition with nutrition, you have to take all
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these science classes. I was doing well and I, I was
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like achieving in the science classes.
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So when you start to get good grades and like biologies and
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chemistry's and things like that, people sort of push you
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that medical route. And there was not really such
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thing as a sports dietitian yet. So my options were kind of like
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physical therapy or maybe go orthopedic surgery wise so you
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could still be around sports. I was like kind of toying
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between those areas. And then I decided to go the
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physician route just because again, I was doing good in the
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science classes. I going that route, I took the
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MCAT. I actually interviewed at a
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couple places throughout that journey and then paired with me
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touring, tearing my ACL first game I'm senior year, I really
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started to understand the importance of nutrition and
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realized that the medical route wasn't for me.
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I used to be like, oh, I love nutrition, so I'll just
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incorporate it into my practice as a physician.
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And like now I know that's would have never happened.
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Kind of throughout that journey, basically getting hurt,
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understanding the importance of nutrition, starting to actually
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face some of the maybe bad behaviors I had and some of the
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negative thoughts that I had and seeing how wrong those were.
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And then coupled with becoming a big girl and having to find a
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job and figuring out what you really wanted like outside of
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athletics. Once you made the choice to
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become a dietitian versus becoming a physician, you were
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then getting your master's degree in nutrition and exercise
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Physiology from San Diego State. And then after you had obtained
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your master's degree is when you chose to apply for the Dietetic
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internship. What did you take away from your
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master's program and then as far as like your application process
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to UNLV to matching with your Dietetic internship, what was
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that time like? I think during that time it was
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actually very interesting because we always talk about how
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like you either get into nutrition because you love food
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or you fear food. And I think I initially started
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getting into nutrition because I loved it, but then I also like
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subconsciously feared it. I think when I started my
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master's program, a lot of those fears like came to the surface
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and that beginning to learn about nutrition and then also
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being retired from sport, I think was a dangerous
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combination that may be fed into some of these more dangerous
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behaviors. Lots of body dysmorphia, lots of
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restriction. Kind of through my education,
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through my own personal journey, I think that's where my
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perspective on nutrition really changed because this isn't
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against anybody or isn't supposed to say anything bad
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about anybody, but we don't really learn a lot about like
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positive nutrition in our undergrad or in our DPD work.
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We don't necessarily learn a lot about sports nutrition in our
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undergrad work. So a lot of it is about disease
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states, about the negative sides of food.
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And I think I really had to do a lot of like, self work to kind
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of like rework that mindset, yeah.
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Totally agree with you. I know that you and I both were
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interested in UNLV because they said as we applied that there
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was a sports focus of UNLV's internship.
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They gave you as much sports rotations as they possibly
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could, but that was still very limited and shallowed in
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comparison to the amount of work that we were doing in a hospital
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where you're doing a lot of medical management of disease
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through nutrition, I guess is the best way to say that where
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we're kind of playing like, OK, this has happened now what do we
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do with food versus how can we use food in a positive way to
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enhance performance? Which I'm thankful that we did
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have the experience that we did, which included meeting one
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another, but also to be able to have some exposure to sports
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nutrition during our internship because a lot of people don't
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get that experience in their internship.
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But you had a lot of like sports nutrition experience before the
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internship. You were working with the
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Olympic team in Southern California and kind of doing a
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couple other things there. Would you say that that's really
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where your idea for becoming a sports dietitian came from?
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Or was it like somewhere along the way you decided that being
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in sports and coupling those things together was the route
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you wanted to take? I feel like it's almost a
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perfect storm because in 2014 when I graduated from undergrad,
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that's when the deregulation of feeding happened in the NCAA.
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And if people are not familiar with a deregulation of feeding,
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but this air quotes and very simplifying legislation, but it
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allowed universities to spend as much money as they wanted.
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Again, air quotes wanted could on feeding their student
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athletes. When this legislation passed, it
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really helped the sports dietitian career path expand
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because now universities were spending money on feeding their
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athletes and they needed people to help them do that.
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Therefore, sports dietitians really came into play here.
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That wasn't really an option. Like we had a sports dietitian
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who was awesome at NC State, but she was very limited.
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She had all these teams. We're also really restricted on
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like what she could provide us. There was a protein limitation
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on certain things. They couldn't provide protein
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powder. You have to, I can't remember
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what it was, but I believe the legislation was like you could
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only provide products that were less than 30% protein by weight
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because then it was like a supplement and you have to be
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really careful about like you have to even the playing field.
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She was really limited on what she could do.
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So there wasn't a lot of interest in the sports nutrition
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space and becoming a sports dietitian before this, like
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deregulation of feeding. So this deregulation of feeding
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happened and then all these places started to bring
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awareness to sports nutrition and they needed people to help
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them out, like with interns and things like that.
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And throughout that process, that's when I really realized
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that like, this is where I was meant to be.
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At the time, you and I met with after you had already matched to
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UNLV. Obviously we've talked about
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before we were interns at the same hospital.
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We spent so much time together. But the thing you would always
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say was when people would ask you what do you want to do with
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your career? What do you want to do as a
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dietitian? And you would say, I want to be
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a sports dietitian and I want to make athletes big and strong.
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Like, I will never forget that. That's always been like kind of
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your motto when you approached sports nutrition.
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And about halfway through our internship, you were one of the
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very first interns in our cohort to receive a job offer.
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Can you talk a little bit about that and like, what you had to
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do during that time to set yourself into that position?
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Because that was one of the things that you did really well.
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And that was one of the things that I didn't do as well was set
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myself up for success, like during the internship with a
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potential job outside of it. Obviously, like my career
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interest at the time wasn't necessarily sports, but what did
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you do to make sure that that was an option for you at the end
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of the internship? This is actually really
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interesting, and I want to come back to this because I think
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it's really interesting how we took very different approaches
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to the internship. Because I actually used to
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really be jealous of you because I thought it was such a great
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approach that you took. Because you came in and I
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remember you being like, I want to try everything because I
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don't necessarily know exactly what I want to do.
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So you came in with a much more open mind than I did because I
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came and I was like, everybody get out of my way.
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I'm being a sports dietitian. I match that, you know, V
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because it's like one of the shortest internships possible.
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I don't have any clinical experience.
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I need clinical experience. So now I can go work in sports
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and I was kind of never minded with that.
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And I also it worked out, but I just want to give you like props
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because I was I remember being like, Dang, maybe I should take
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her. I think that's really
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interesting because there are definitely pros and cons to each
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because from my perspective, I was like, Oh, shoot, I, I wish I
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had the ability to walk in to rotation and tell that preceptor
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like this is what I want to do. I want to spend extra time here.
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I want to have, you know, my elective rotation here and all
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those things. But at the same time, there is
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benefit to, to not knowing exactly what you want to do
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because then you can walk into every single rotation in the
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mindset of is this what I want to do with my career?
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And like, give it everything you've got to figure out if it's
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what you really like. And I didn't have a ton of like
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exposure to a lot of different things.
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Even if you are already to be walking into a opportunity,
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whether that be the actual Internet or not.
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Just like view it as a potential for what your life could look
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like and like. Try to envision yourself as best
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you can like in that position if you are in a situation more
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similar to mine. So even if you don't have
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everything as figured out as Riley.
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I think I was like so gung ho on it though, because I am a little
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bit obviously like I'm a little bit older than you.
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Like that's, that's not a bad that's just facts.
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So I had spent a year trying to figure my like ish out and I
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knew I was passionate about sports nutrition because so many
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people told me that I was never going to become sports dietitian
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work, especially like in my master's program and things like
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that. People are like you like
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electrolytes, like you should work in renal, like not many
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people are become sports dietitians.
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And I think I had such a chip on my shoulder of like, I'm gonna
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prove you all wrong. So I was like, this is what I
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want to do with that. And kind of going back to your
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original question, before I vented, I went tangent wise.
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I had a lot of experience with like volunteer work and I tried
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to do whatever I could to get a leg up, try to get as much
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experience as I could because especially in the sports world,
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it's super, super small. Everybody knows each other.
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Getting experience is going to help differentiate you from
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somebody else who's just, you know, doing well in their
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science classes. Another thing too is because I
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had experience in different areas, then I really reiterated
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and reinforced where I wanted to work in sports nutrition.
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Because a lot of the time we think that we want to work in a
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certain area of sports nutrition and then we do not have
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experience in it and we jump into it and we're shocked by
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what it actually entails. So my recommendation would be
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making sure that you're getting experience in different areas of
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sports nutrition because you don't necessarily know what
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you're getting yourself into. It's really important to to get
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additional like feedback basically.
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What is your advice like? Final pieces of advice for
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someone who wants to become a sports dietitian.
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I think there's two big things here.
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One of them probably isn't UNPOT.
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Actually, they might be both unpopular opinions, but the
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first one is reiterating the importance of getting
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experience, trying out different areas.
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I hear this all the time from interns who are like, I want to
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work pro sports, great, let's do it.
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If you're working pro sports, you can't tell me that you only
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want to work 40 hours a week. You can't tell me that you want
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to work nine to five. You can't tell me that you want
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to have your weekends off because you're going to be
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working those weekends. You're going to be working off
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hours. If you come and tell me I like
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to do education and team talks, it's probably not happening at
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the pro level. And I think what so many people
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do is they're too focused on the maybe the type of athletes that
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they want to work with and they should be focused on the
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environment. That they want to work in.
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So figuring out what's important to you, like your why, and then
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looking at jobs, not just looking at like the type of
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athlete or the team or things like that.
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Because I think that's a mistake that a lot of people make as
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they get to tunnel vision on trying to work with an athlete
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at a certain level. I think that's such great advice
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because it's really easy to get caught up in the glamour of the
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idea of working for a specific team, especially if it's one
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that you have, you know, maybe followed for a while or you find
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they're fueling like a great program or whatever it is.
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But really thinking about like the environment and whether or
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not that fits your life. And the second one is going to
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be kind of controversial, and it's probably an unpopular
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opinion, but I think it needs to be said.
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I'm actually kind of nervous saying this, but if you're
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somebody that is going into nutrition because you fear food,
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you have to solve your own issues first before you can help
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other people. If you feel like you are
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struggling with nutrition, struggling with body image, you
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really have to make sure that you do the inner work first
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before you can help other people because you do not want to be
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projecting onto other individuals.
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And I feel like that's a little bit of a hard and harsh take,
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But I had to go through that journey.
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And I can tell you that if I was trying to help people 10 years
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ago when I was not in a good space, I would have not been
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providing quality care. And I think that is again
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something that you have to consider if you want to work on
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nutrition. I think that would go for
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probably all areas of nutrition. And it's not like you have to be
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completely healed, right? Like, there's hard days,
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there's, you know, things like that.
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You cannot protect your problems onto your clients or your
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athletes. I think there are so many great
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things that you've just shared as far as your journey, not only
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as AD one athlete, but also your journey to becoming a sports
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dietitian. I feel like it's really common
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and really popular for those who have been previously involved in
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sports to have some type of a career that's in some way
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connected with sports, whether that be nutrition or something
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like physical therapy or even a physician who works as you know,
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a team doc, sports doc, something along those lines.
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Thank you so much for sharing all of this.
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I think it's incredibly valuable just to talk about your journey
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because because there are so many people who are interested,
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not just about your background as AD one athlete, but also like
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what's it take to become a sports dietitian?
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If you have additional questions for Riley and I, especially
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about becoming a dietitian, becoming a sports Rd. you can
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