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INTERVIEW: Neil deGrasse Tyson Talks New Book 'Take Me to Your Leader', Alien Abductions, What 'Intelligent Life' Truly Mean + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Hold up. Every day I wake up. Wake your ass up.
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  Speaker 1: The Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 2: Y'all finished or y'all done? Morning, everybody.
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  Speaker 3: It's DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are
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  Speaker 3: The Breakfast Club. Lola Rose is here as well. We
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  Speaker 3: got a special guest in the building.
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  Speaker 2: One of my favorite people to listen to. One of
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  Speaker 2: my favorite people to hear talk, man.
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  Speaker 4: That's right. And you from the Bronx, right?
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  Speaker 1: Bronx in the house.
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  Speaker 4: The Bronx. Neil deGrasse Tyson.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome, brother. Yeah, it's the East Bronx. East Bronx. Castle
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  Speaker 1: Hill Housing Project.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Over there near... near the Whitestone Bridge. And then my,
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  Speaker 1: that was a middle income housing project. Then my father's
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  Speaker 1: income went above that level. So they'd kick you out
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  Speaker 1: because it's rent, you know, it's rent controlled there. So
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  Speaker 1: then we moved to Riverdale. And so actually most of
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  Speaker 1: my years went Riverdale, the Bronx.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 1: Where Riverdale? Well, I grew up in Skyview Apartments. 333
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  Speaker 1: Henry Hudson? No, it's Arlington Avenue. Okay. Higher up, higher
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  Speaker 1: up than that. And I didn't realize growing up, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I was interested in the universe since I was nine.
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  Speaker 1: And the name of the building I grew up in
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  Speaker 1: was Skyview Apartments. So I only put that together later
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  Speaker 1: because it's just a name. I didn't parse it. But
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  Speaker 1: maybe it was preordained.
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  Speaker 4: Did you go to Bronx High?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, you did. The reason I said that is, you know,
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  Speaker 4: growing up.
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  Speaker 1: In New York. My answer to be official, yes. My
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  Speaker 1: answer is yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes.
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  Speaker 3: Growing up in New York, if you're in the public
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  Speaker 3: school system, the best schools that you wanted to go
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  Speaker 3: to was Brooklyn Tech.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 4: Bronx Science. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Stuyvesant was the other one.
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  Speaker 4: What was the other one? Stuyvesant. Stuyvesant was the three.
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  Speaker 1: These are public schools.
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  Speaker 3: These are public schools, but they didn't just take every student.
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  Speaker 3: You had to be tested to get into it. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't make it in, but you had to be tested
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  Speaker 3: to get into it. And those were the kids that
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  Speaker 3: were the top of the top of New York City
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  Speaker 3: back then when we were kids.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. In fact, my high school, it brags, it has
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  Speaker 1: eight Nobel laureates among its graduates. That's more than the
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  Speaker 1: country of Spain. So that's kind of wild. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I always say the craziest people in America come from
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  Speaker 2: the Bronx and all of Florida.
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  Speaker 1: You need a little bit of crazy to do something different,
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 3: So for people that don't know who Neil is, Degrassi Tyson,
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  Speaker 3: can you just break down some of the things?
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  Speaker 2: You don't have time to talk to those people. They're
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  Speaker 2: under a rock.
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  Speaker 1: Break it down quickly.
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  Speaker 2: If you can.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. I was born and raised in New York City.
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  Speaker 1: Discovered the universe in a first family visit to the
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  Speaker 1: Hayden Planetarium. Right there. It's part of the American Museum
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  Speaker 1: of Natural History. We all went there as kids.
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  Speaker 2: Of course.
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  Speaker 1: We had dinosaurs and things. But there's also an attached planetarium.
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  Speaker 1: And I was hooked. In fact, I kind of think
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  Speaker 1: the universe chose me. I was like starstruck under that sky.
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  Speaker 1: The lights dim. The stars come out. And I just
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  Speaker 1: like the immensity of it.
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  Speaker 2: And.
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  Speaker 1: And how much we didn't yet know. That intrigued me.
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  Speaker 1: Many people have to have answers at every moment, but
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  Speaker 1: if you learn to love the questions themselves, then your
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  Speaker 1: life becomes one of, it's a journey, a discovery.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I like about you, though, because you are
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  Speaker 2: an expert, but you don't act like an expert. Oh!
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  Speaker 2: Because you're always a sense of discovery with you.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, no, it is!
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  Speaker 1: Your whole thing is, just show me the facts. Because experts,
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  Speaker 1: I know everything, just ask me everything. But, no, I'm a,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a, I'm a, I'm as curious as an adult
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  Speaker 1: as any of us were as kids. And I kind
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  Speaker 1: of think that a kid who retains their curiosity, especially
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  Speaker 1: through middle school, that's some tough years in middle school.
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  Speaker 1: If you retain your curiosity, I think you become a
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  Speaker 1: scientist because the world is your petri dish. That's nasty. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but the world... It's a oyster. It's a petri dish.
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  Speaker 1: It's hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: Can you sing.
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  Speaker 1: In the shower, I can say.
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  Speaker 2: Because I don't know why.
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  Speaker 3: As soon as you walked through the door, I was like,
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  Speaker 3: you just give like, you can sing.
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  Speaker 1: 70s R & B act?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: He looked like he could really sing.
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  Speaker 1: So I got this. I got this. I put on
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  Speaker 1: my planetarium voice. Welcome to the universe. Welcome. Yeah, I just,
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  Speaker 1: in the shower, I sound real good, but outside the shower, no.
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  Speaker 1: Don't ask me.
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  Speaker 4: I want to jump right into it. Are there aliens?
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  Speaker 4: Have you seen them? Have we discovered them? Should we
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  Speaker 4: be concerned? Should we be scared?
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  Speaker 2: As much as he don't like the Russian and stuff,
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  Speaker 2: you're just going to jump into that?
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: You're not even going to talk about his book, Take
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  Speaker 2: Me to Your Leader.
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  Speaker 1: But that's the why. Take Me to Your Leader. You're
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  Speaker 1: not going to say, hey, when you were.
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  Speaker 2: In the Bronx in Skyview and you looked up, what did.
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  Speaker 1: You think was up there? See, this is your lead
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  Speaker 1: into it.
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  Speaker 4: See, that's how that works.
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  Speaker 2: If aliens came to the Bronx, would they leave? No.
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  Speaker 4: Aliens definitely wouldn't come to the Bronx.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, they would.
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  Speaker 5: No, they wouldn't.
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  Speaker 1: No, get the ass whooped.
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  Speaker 2: What did you think when you were younger?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so when I was, well, when I got my
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  Speaker 1: first telescope when I was 12, and I'd be out
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  Speaker 1: there alone. And odd, I only ever thought this when
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  Speaker 1: I was alone. If people were with me, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: have this thought. Alone, looking up, I wanted to be
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  Speaker 1: abducted by aliens. Like, since I was a kid. Just
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  Speaker 1: have the beam of light come down, take me away.
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  Speaker 1: Not that I wanted to leave Earth, but I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to see what else was out there.
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  Speaker 2: Was it before or after you heard about the anal problem?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, way before. Now, let me comment on that, okay?
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  Speaker 1: Let me comment on.
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  Speaker 2: The anal problem.
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  Speaker 1: Okay? Think to yourself, How big is your ego that
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  Speaker 1: you imagine aliens crossing the galaxy to come look in
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  Speaker 1: your butthole?
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: How big must your ego be? I'm just saying. That
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  Speaker 1: your butthole be that interesting, you got a whole biodiverse
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  Speaker 1: earth here, And they want to look up your butt.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Neal. Oh, man.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know what Neal came in.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm leaving.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: That's good.
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  Speaker 4: But when you, so what got you into it?
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  Speaker 1: I better put on my hat because you all got hats.
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  Speaker 1: You had a hat. I have a hat.
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  Speaker 4: So he talked about, you know, wanting to get abducted
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  Speaker 4: by aliens.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. That's my first two sentences of the book. It's
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  Speaker 1: Take Me to Your Leader.
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  Speaker 2: That's the title of the book.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just perspectives. on your first alien encounter. Just
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  Speaker 1: to get you ready for that. Because I don't think
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  Speaker 1: people are ready. What are you going to do? Who
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  Speaker 1: are you going to show them to? Are you going
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  Speaker 1: to hide them in the closet? Are you going to
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  Speaker 1: be afraid? You want to shoot them first? And by
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  Speaker 1: the way, if they came here in a spaceship, shooting
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  Speaker 1: is going to have no effect. That's like a pop
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  Speaker 1: gun or something. If they have that level of technology,
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  Speaker 1: just go home.
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  Speaker 2: You know, all the YouTube conspiracy theorists think that you're
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  Speaker 2: part of the propaganda machine in regards to a disclosure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they have to think that. Otherwise, they can't
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  Speaker 1: continue to believe what they do. That is the anatomy
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  Speaker 1: of a conspiracy theory. Think about it. It's there's information
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  Speaker 1: missing or there's information that does not agree with what
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  Speaker 1: they know is true, which means it's what they believe.
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  Speaker 1: And in those gaps, they have to say it's a cover-up.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Or someone is preventing. That's the only way they can
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  Speaker 1: stitch together their narrative. And so it's the anatomy of
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  Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory.
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  Speaker 3: So why would the government hold all the information about aliens, extra...
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  Speaker 3: Why would they hold that from the American people?
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  Speaker 1: I have a couple of comments related to that. If
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  Speaker 1: you do that, this is quite a cover-up. If the
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  Speaker 1: government is holding actual aliens and a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: have to be in on that secret. So I have
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  Speaker 1: to say a couple of things. First, Benjamin Franklin in his,
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  Speaker 1: in his, what is it? Almanac, poor Richard's almanac. He's
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  Speaker 1: quoted it saying three people can keep a secret if
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  Speaker 1: two of them are dead. Okay. So he's known, he's
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  Speaker 1: known you can't have legions of people keeping a secret
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  Speaker 1: that just does not work ever. That start there. Second,
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  Speaker 1: often the same people who are certain that, the government
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  Speaker 1: is masterminding a coverup. These are the same people who
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  Speaker 1: say the government is a bloated, inefficient bureaucracy. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: giving you both of those, okay? If the government is
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  Speaker 1: big and inefficient and doesn't know what his left hand
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  Speaker 1: is doing from his right hand, and it's going to
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  Speaker 1: manage a conspiratorial coverup, they don't comport. So pick one, okay?
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  Speaker 1: And so my... perspective here. But I still want to
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  Speaker 1: tell you what you should do when you meet an alien.
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  Speaker 1: That's still a real thing to think about. But you
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about what's actually going on out there.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like having to believe in what other people
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  Speaker 1: believe in order for it to be true. Okay? Like,
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  Speaker 1: do you believe in elephants?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. I mean, I know they're true.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, you don't have to... I know they're true.
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  Speaker 1: You've seen elephants.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay? So it's not a... You don't believe in elephants.
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  Speaker 1: The elephants are there.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Okay? But imagine only a couple of dozen people in
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  Speaker 1: the world had ever seen an elephant. Just imagine. And
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  Speaker 1: no one else had seen it. And they start describing it.
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  Speaker 1: And they're under oath in Congress. You got to believe me.
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  Speaker 1: These huge animal weighs six tons or however many. And...
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  Speaker 1: It's got two big teeth sticking out. And it's got
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  Speaker 1: a big rubbery nose that can pick stuff up. And
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  Speaker 1: it's got ears the size of bed sheets and legs
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  Speaker 1: the size of tree trunks. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And then,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's like... You really want me to believe that? Okay. Well,
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  Speaker 1: can you draw it? And nobody can draw as well, right?
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  Speaker 1: So they draw it and it looks completely crazy. And
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  Speaker 1: so the world would part, the world would split between
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  Speaker 1: those who believe the people who believe in elephants and
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  Speaker 1: those who just can't even know. No such creature like
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  Speaker 1: that could exist in this world. You can make a
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  Speaker 1: two hour documentary on testimonies and interviewing people who believe
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  Speaker 1: and who don't believe you could do that or you
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  Speaker 1: can just walk the elephant out of the back shed
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  Speaker 1: and there it is and what we're done here that's
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  Speaker 1: a Instead of a two-hour documentary, that's a five-minute documentary.
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  Speaker 1: One minute to show the elephant and four minutes for
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  Speaker 1: the rolling credits. So here's all. Now, I only wrote
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  Speaker 1: this book. I only wrote this book.
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  Speaker 2: Take me to your leader.
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  Speaker 1: Take me to your leader. When it wasn't just the
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  Speaker 1: farmer talking about what landed in his back 40 or
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  Speaker 1: the revelers at 2 a.m. after the bar closed. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't just those folks. These are high-ranking people. From the government,
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  Speaker 1: from intelligence agencies, from the military. Under oath. Highly believable.
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  Speaker 1: When they started testifying, I said, okay, where are the aliens? Well,
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  Speaker 1: we have them in the back. And we have reverse
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  Speaker 1: engineered technology. Okay. I make the popcorn and I'm watching
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  Speaker 1: it and I'm waiting for them to bring out the alien.
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  Speaker 1: And that hasn't happened. So until that happens, it's going
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  Speaker 1: to remain a belief system.
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  Speaker 2: That's smart.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: I get what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: What's smart, that they don't bring out the alien?
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  Speaker 2: No, what are you saying? He can't say he knows, but.
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  Speaker 1: Like the elephant. We have seen elephants. Bring to me
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  Speaker 1: the alien, then we're good here.
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  Speaker 2: But do you... You have to personally believe they exist, right?
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  Speaker 2: Not whether you can prove it, but based on everything
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  Speaker 2: you know about the universe, would you bet that we're alone?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so that's a different question. Okay. Okay, you study
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  Speaker 1: the universe. The universe is vast and old. And do
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  Speaker 1: you realize the ingredients of life on Earth are the
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  Speaker 1: most common ingredients in the universe? Hydrogen, carbon, oxygen, nitrogen.
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  Speaker 1: The top four ingredients, chemically active ingredients in the universe.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: So if we're going to find life elsewhere, it's probably
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  Speaker 1: made of the same stuff. Okay? Start there. And the
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  Speaker 1: universe is big. Life got started really quickly here on Earth.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't all long drawn out. So... But question, isn't
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  Speaker 1: that if only.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't that only apply if we're looking for life that
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  Speaker 2: is like us?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Life as we know it, is when you say that. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we think if it's like us, it'll be like us chemically.
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  Speaker 1: But the idea that aliens are going to have two eyes,
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  Speaker 1: a nose, a mouth, ears, head, shoulders, legs, and walk
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  Speaker 1: on two feet? That's weird. Do you realize that humans
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  Speaker 1: and bananas share 25% identical genes? Humans and bananas. So
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  Speaker 1: if you're an alien from another planet with no DNA
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  Speaker 1: in common with us at all, or no DNA at all,
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  Speaker 1: You gotta look at least as different from humans as
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  Speaker 1: humans and bananas look from each other. And they're always
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  Speaker 1: coming off with two legs, kneecaps, hips, nose, and that's
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  Speaker 1: just bad creativity in Hollywood.
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  Speaker 2: Well, maybe God created the same model, just different features.
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  Speaker 1: Well, God did. What about all the other life forms
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  Speaker 1: on Earth? How about the octopus and tarantulas and oak
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  Speaker 1: trees and worms and snakes? Snakes don't even, they don't
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  Speaker 1: have arms and legs, okay? And they can eat things
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  Speaker 1: five times bigger than their head. How about eagles that
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  Speaker 1: can soar? So you want to say God had a plan. Well,
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  Speaker 1: on Earth, you know, primates look like us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No other branch of life looks like us.
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  Speaker 2: Everything you just said is the reason why I believe
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  Speaker 2: in the diversity of the universe when it comes to life.
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  Speaker 2: Because of the diversity of Earth.
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  Speaker 1: I think, yes. Yes. The universe has to be at
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  Speaker 1: least as diverse as this one planet's portfolio of life.
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  Speaker 1: It's got to be.
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  Speaker 2: It's got to be.
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  Speaker 4: Since you studied, what do you think an alien would
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  Speaker 4: look like?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I can.
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  Speaker 1: So in here, this is a slim book, but it's
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  Speaker 1: chock full of... So what I do is I say,
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  Speaker 1: how have people imagined aliens in our pop culture? And
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  Speaker 1: so you can go down the list.
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  Speaker 2: E.T.
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  Speaker 1: Men in Black.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, E.T.
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  Speaker 1: Men in Black is quite creative, actually. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: bringing that up. And because they're aliens, they tried hard
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  Speaker 1: to think of different... Like one of them is... Has
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  Speaker 1: bugs in him or something. Yeah. You remember that one? Nasty. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And so they try to break the mold.
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  Speaker 2: They diversify.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. You know what does it best is in the
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  Speaker 1: cartoon Rick and Morty. Rick and Morty.
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  Speaker 2: See, I never really got into that.
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  Speaker 1: Just watch one episode. It's all you need to. You
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  Speaker 1: don't have to get into it. One, maybe two episodes.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a whole other exploration of ways of being
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  Speaker 1: alive in life. the universe. And so, in fact, on
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  Speaker 1: the internet, on the geekosphere, there are people always ranking
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  Speaker 1: the top 10 aliens from Rick and Morty. Because he's
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  Speaker 1: a brilliant scientist and he opens a portal and he
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  Speaker 1: moves through space and time and visits other planets and things.
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  Speaker 1: So it's very fanciful. By the way, you know what
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  Speaker 1: it's like? Rick and Morty is like Doc and Marty
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  Speaker 1: from Back to the Future. Yeah, because Rick is kind
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  Speaker 1: of a crazy, smart guy. And Morty is his nephew.
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  Speaker 1: And they go on these trips. Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: What about Futurama?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 4: Futurama.
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  Speaker 1: Well, so all collectively... The Jetsons. Well, so here's something
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  Speaker 1: the Jetsons got wrong. Okay? You remember the Jetsons?
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. I did.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: You remember the maid? Rosie.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: Rosie.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: Rosie. Rosie was a robot. What they didn't figure out
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: back then was there's Rosie using... A vacuum cleaner. No
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: one occurred, didn't occur to anyone that the vacuum could
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: be the robot. He gets in a flying car. He
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: drives the car. It didn't occur to anyone that the
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: car could be a robot. Everyone is thinking a robot's
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: got to be, you know, look humanoid. No, there's nothing
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: sacred or perfect. are particularly potent about how our human form.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Just look at all the other physical forms that are
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: out there that are not human, that are getting along
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: just fine. So life as we know it is chemically
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: life as we know it, but life as we know
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: it isn't just our humanoid form. Because life as we
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: know it includes all these other animals, fish and the like.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: In the book, you talk about how aliens might communicate
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: with us. And you say mathematics and physics... maybe the
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: universal language we use to communicate with aliens. And I
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: was like, that's brilliant, because we always say math is
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: a universal language.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. So you want to speak to Spanish? In Spain,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: you learn Spanish. You go to France, you learn French.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: You want to speak to the universe? You learn mathematics.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: And I'm asserting that it's their language, too, because it
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: figures stuff out across the universe. I mean, it is
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: a highly potent way of organizing things. information and discoveries
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: and showing how they relate to one another. E equals
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: MC squared. That is happening in every star across the universe.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: And it's not E equals MC cubed. It is E
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: equals MC squared. That is it. We know it. It's
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: experimentally verified. It's the foundation of bombs, nuclear bombs. It's
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: not just some fanciful thing that Einstein pulled out of
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: his ass. So there's that. And... I have this fantasy.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I want to keep a... Remember the periodic table of
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: elements from your chemistry class?
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. Okay. So that is every element in
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: the universe and then some. Because after element 92, we're
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: up to 118 now. We manufactured all those other elements.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: So we've gone beyond what the universe itself could create.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: And the way it's organized is very deep. It relates
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: to quantum physics. And so I just show an alien
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: the periodic table. They'll have different symbols, of course, but
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: they'll see the layout and they'll say, wait a minute,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: look at my table. And they put them together. And
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: so this would be a starter conversation.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: You started the show with saying.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Hold on, I do got to follow up real quick.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: What if the alien's intelligence is so different from ours
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: that even our understanding of communication doesn't apply?
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: Perfect.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: So there's a whole chapter in that called Alien Intelligence.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: I went there. So here's just, you want the good
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: news or the bad news?
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Both.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. Not bad, harmful, but just bad, hopeless. So
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: what's the closest animal to us genetically in the world?
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: A monkey. Monkey. A chimpanzee.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Chimpanzee.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: This man said a dolphin, yo.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: Dolphins are very smart, though.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't say how smart they are. I said genetically. Oh, genetically. Oh,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. What do you do after hours? Where do
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: you swim? I probe the dolphins. Anyway, oh my God.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: You an alien to the dolphins.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Show me your blowhole.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Take me to your blowhole.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I know, right? Where'd you get this guy? I don't know.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Whose show is this? A quick thing about the blowhole, though.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Oh boy.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Just a quick thing. Dolphins eat through their mouths and
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: breathe through the blowhole.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Which means they will never choke on a ham sandwich.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I knew it.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Why do you choke? You choke because you breathing through
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: the same hole that you eat. And if it goes
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: the wrong way, it blocks your air channel.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Do they eat ham, though? I'm just kidding. How did
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Mama Cass die?
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Wasn't it a ham sandwich? I mean, you figured out
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: the science of gag reflex? So there is no gagging
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: because it's two separate entries.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: This is a joke, right?
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: No, I'm joking. You're true with that.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: No, I'm joking with the ham sandwich, but I'm saying
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: a dolphin never choked on its food. Yeah. We, some
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: number of people per year, humans, choke on our food
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: and die. Come on, Neil. Focus.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Aliens.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: And die. Okay? You mentioned dolphins. You mentioned dolphins.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Blowholes and gaggers.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: Okay?
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: That's what you said. You said the closest to a human.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Chimpanzee.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Chimpanzee.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Okay. Can we meaningfully communicate with chimpanzees? It doesn't look
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: that way. If you had a pet chimp and you say,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go into town and get some bananas,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to stop by and get a cup
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: of coffee, and I'll be back in an hour. What
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: is the chimp here? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Bananas, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: You can get them to recognize bananas. All right. That's
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: the closest species to us. We are 98% identical DNA
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: to a chimp. And we cannot have a meaningful conversation
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: with it. Imagine an alien that's 2% beyond us, the
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: way we're 2% beyond the chimp. A smart chimp does
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: what our toddlers can do. Smart chimp can stack boxes
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: and reach up bananas hanging from the ceiling. It can
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: figure that out. Our toddlers can figure that out too.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: That's kind of it. Imagine some alien species 2% beyond us.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: we might be so stupid compared to them that they
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: cannot figure out how to communicate on such a low level.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Because we can't communicate with gyms. So the smartest human,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: let's say they exhume Stephen Hawking and roll him for
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: his head. This human is slightly smarter than the rest
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: because he can do astrophysics calculations in his head. Like
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: little alien Timmy over here who just came back from preschool.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Toddler Timmy, all right? Oh, what'd you have? Oh, I
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: just composed a sonnet and I just derived the principles
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: of calculus. And oh, but put on the refrigerator door.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: It might be that we are so stupid compared to
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: the alien, they won't even figure out how to communicate
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: with us. So the audacity of us to say, let's
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: go out and look for other intelligent life. Oh my gosh.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: So how would we establish that we're intelligent human beings
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: to them?
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Well, I have some suggestions in here. I would show
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: a triangle. with three squares coming off of each side
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: of the triangle, just show that to them. Then they would,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: if they're smart, they would say, oh, that is the
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Pythagorean theorem. You learned that in ninth grade or whatever
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: it might've been. They would see that. And maybe in
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: that way, they won't kill us because there's some hope
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: that we have some intelligence. And that's something that just
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: uses symbols. It doesn't require language or anything.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you say in the book that we could
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: end up being their pets.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, pets.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. And that sounds like, I don't
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: want to be anybody's pet. However, do you realize in
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: the United States we spend $ 150 billion a year on
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: our dogs and cats? And the government spends how much?
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: $ 20 million a year? Way less than that trying to
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: alleviate the homeless problem. You know, homeless humans who don't
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: have food, who don't have love, and don't have shelter.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: So our priorities are clear how we treat our pets.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: So it might be that the aliens, we'd be better
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: off their pet than anything else.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: But isn't that a comfortable way of just describing the
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: loss of your freedom?
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. But if the alternative is they'll just eat us,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, being eaten I think is worse
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: than just getting killed, right? This is why all the
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: children's fairy tales, it's all, they might get eaten by
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the wolf, by the, you know, the bears, the wolf,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: the bear. It's, you might get eaten. That's terrifying. It's not,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: you might get pushed off a cliff. That doesn't scare
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: any kid, you know? So someone taking bites out of you.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: And I think that's why when someone bites you, the
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: pain is way greater because than what the actual damage is, right?
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: And so we're trained to not want to get eaten,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I think, in that, in our payments.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: But I think they wouldn't have been, wouldn't they have
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: been like, ate us already?
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: If they wanted to, sure, yeah, why not? Yeah, yeah.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: And it was an episode of The Twilight Zone.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, y'all used to watch that. I'm watching
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: X-Files right now.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: So The Twilight Zone, there's aliens that came to Earth,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: and they improved our crops, right? They helped us because
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: we didn't know if they are the enemies or are
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: they friends. And they gave us new recipes and everyone
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: was at peace. There was no war. And then they said,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: do you want to come back and visit our planet?
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: And so people are getting on the ship and they
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: stand on a scale first, which makes sense because what
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: the weight limits are. They don't want fat people up there.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: But no way. But wait. What the hell? But wait.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: They accidentally left a book behind that the cryptographers translated
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: and it says to serve man. And they said, oh
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: my gosh, but they can't read anything else in it,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: and the cryptographers are trying hard. And they said, well,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: what could go wrong here? And then while people are
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: boarding the ship, they realize what this is. Oh, shit.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: So wait, we. That's why they're weighing us because they. Right.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: And that's why mental food was available.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Damn.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Okay. Wow.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: So you did say earlier in the conversation, we cut
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: you off.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Jesus.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: You said the conversation we should have if we ever
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: meet an alien is what?
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: What should we do first? Well, if you can figure
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: out how to communicate. If they're really smart. Maybe they'll
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: figure out how to speak English because we ain't going
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: to figure out how to speak alien.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: That's for damn sure. So, cause once again, they got,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: they crossed the galaxy in a spaceship. Okay. We just
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: until recently, we hadn't left low earth orbit in 50 years,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: not since 1972. So if that's all we got to
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: show for ourselves, as proud as we are of our
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: space program, they're crossing the galaxy. So just listen. Let's
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: get real here.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: We can't sit with them.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: It's basically me. Basically, because he's letting us know how
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: dumb we are.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I'm just being, just getting real here. So if they speak,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: so the question is, who do you take them? Do
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: you take them to your leader? You're going to take
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: them to the White House.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I think everybody's answer to that is going to be
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: a no. I'm kind of thinking. Whether or not you
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: voted for the man, I don't think the president should
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: be your first choice. So I recommend you call the
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: National Academy of Sciences. This is a science discovery. It's
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: not a political discovery. It's not a, and in fact,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: when they interviewed Obama, when he opened his new library,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: the subject of aliens came up, and I forgot how
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: and why, but he said, you know, if we meet
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: an alien, I want to be on that greeting. I
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: want to be in that entourage. And that would be
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: useful if there was a political dimension, a geopolitical dimension
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: to the aliens' visit. But if it's pure science, leave
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: the politicians out. OK.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: Isn't this why it's important? I mean, I don't know
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: if I believe in aliens or not, but listen to
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: what you're saying. If the White House did what they're
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: supposed to do and we could get all those classified
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: files and all that stuff about the aliens, we would
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: basically have a roadmap. If this thing ever were to
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: really happen, how you would even know it's science or
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: just a regular visit.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Right. Well, so so this is what Trump announced. He
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: did this rollout. Why didn't bring it all out at once? Yeah,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: because it it's helpful to him. if you can strategically
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: release them politically. So they make a fascinating distraction from
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: whatever else is going on. So you spread it out
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: and they are releasing the files and they're fuzzy videos.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: It's weird that people, the fuzzier the video, the more
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: confidence people have that they're actual aliens. Which is kind
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: of weird. We all have smartphones, don't we? That can
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: take high resolution High resolution photos and video. Do you
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: realize six, the latest number, six billion photos are uplifted
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: to the internet every single day? And a million hours
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: of video? And none of them have a sharp image
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: of aliens. There's always a fuzzy thing in the sky.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: So you know what scares me is the possibility that
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: maybe the aliens are actually fuzzy. These are sharp pictures
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: of fuzzy objects.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: What about the sharp video we do see and then
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: nowadays they just tell us that's A.I.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Well, now it's tough. So the bar of proof is
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: much higher now because AI can just do anything, right?
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: So that's unfortunate. But AI is not manufacturing physical objects, okay?
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: So if you get abducted and they probe you, whatever
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: orifices they find intriguing, what you do while you're laying there,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: just snatch something off the shelf. an ashtray or whatever.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: So they can eat my arm. No, no, no, no.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Just do one without looking. Say, look over there and
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: then snatch it.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: And then you come out and I say, look what
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I got off the spaceship.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: What do you remember being on the ship?
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Well, if they block your brain. But you know what
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: you can do? While they're walking towards you, you can
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: video that. And I think post-George Floyd, you have live
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: upload so that you don't have to store it. Because
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: then they just zap it if you store it. You
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: can live upload. your video to a safe place and
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: so we don't have that either and But I.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: Don't know if I'm going to be able to concentrate
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: on that while I'm getting probed.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: No.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: No, before you even get to that point, just start
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: getting the video.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: If they let you film the probing, that's even better.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Yes. That shit will go crazy on OnlyFans.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: OnlyFans.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Human, alien.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: God paid for.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: This in space.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Why did you quickly think of OnlyFans?
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: What?
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: That.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: Because he's still thinking anal program.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: You know what y'all talking about?
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: You keep referencing spaceships, right? I'm sure you heard Representative
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Luna from Florida.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: No, tell me.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Anna Paulina Luna, she said on the Joe Rogan podcast
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: that they have evidence of interdimensional beings that operate through
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: time spaces that we currently have.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: So I talk about higher dimensional aliens in here under
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: the chapter Alien Powers. So I just look at all
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: the ways aliens might have powers that we don't have
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: and powers that still fit the laws of physics in
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: the universe. Because the laws of physics that we discover
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: here on Earth, turns out they apply across the universe
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: and across time. Because we see them playing out in
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: planets and galaxies right up to the Big Bang itself.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: So We can speak with confidence what laws of physics
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: apply everywhere. And so to say we have the evidence
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: but then not show the evidence, that's back to the
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: we got the aliens but I'm not going to show
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: you the alien. So if you're higher dimensional, it's fascinating.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Is your brain ready? I can tell you what a
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: higher dimensional thing would be. You ready? Okay. So let's
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: say we all lived in a flat surface and we're
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: just kind of moving around. We don't know up or down.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: We just know left and right and forward and back. Okay?
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden a dot appears. Where
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: did it come from? It's mystical, magical. I don't know.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: And then the dot becomes an ever-growing circle. And then
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: it shrinks back down to a dot and then disappears.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: We'd be scratching our head wondering, what is this? I
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: What?
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: This is a very simple explanation. You know what that is?
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: That is a sphere, three dimensions, passing through your two-dimensional world.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Because all you see is a two-dimensional cross-sections of this
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: three-dimensional object. It didn't exist, then it appeared, and then
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: it disappeared again. It is coming from its dimension, passing
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: through your dimensionality. So a four-dimensional being can pass through
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: our three dimensions. And then come out the other side
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: with not a trace. Gotcha. Okay. No, it's fun. It's
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: really fun to think about. So if we have higher
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: dimensional aliens, we would see only the three dimensions of
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: them that occupies our space as we walk through it. So,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: but she said we have evidence to bring out. Testimony
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: in science does not count as evidence. Evidence is. Evidence
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: is evidence. Give me material substance.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I got you.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Now, we always talk about aliens visiting Earth, right?
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: What makes us think they'd even be interested in us?
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Not only that. You're an earthling.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Have some pride in your planet.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: Sorry, sorry, sorry.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Let me regain my composure. Okay, we are so interesting.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: We are so interesting. If they landed in the Bronx,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: there's some things going on out there. Okay, so here's
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: what will happen. Imagine some scenarios. They come down here
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: and they see that the, quote, dominant species, well, we
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: think of ourselves as the dominant. Maybe they'll also think
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: that or maybe not. Do you realize you have more
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: microbes living and working in a half inch of your
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: intestine than the total number of people who have ever
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: been born? Oh, wow.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: Hmm.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: And we think we're in charge, but if you disturb
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: those microbes, then they're in charge because you're going to
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: want to know where the nearest toilet is, okay? When
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: they take over your digestive tract. So the aliens might
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: think the microbes are in charge because they're everywhere. They're
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: on your skin and your gut. They ferment fruit. They're everywhere.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: So we have such a bias, a brain bias here. And, okay,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: you want to have a brain bias? Go ahead. The
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: biggest brain in the world is the whale. Second biggest,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: the elephant. Third biggest? Dolphin. That was his cue. He
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: caught on, he caught on. Fourth biggest, humans. I remember learning, well,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: we don't have the biggest brains, so are we at
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: the top of that list? No. So you do some
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: math and you say, let's take the ratio of the
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: weight of your brain to the weight of your body.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: So you do some fancy math there. Then we're at
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: the top because whales are huge. So that lowers them
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: in this list. Okay. Now we're at the top. But
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: they were lying to me or to all of us.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: You know why? That's only for mammals. Do you realize
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: certain mid-sized birds have a higher brain to body weight
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: ratio than humans do? For example, crows, magpies. Have you
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: seen the video of the magpie? Black and white bird,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe a foot tall. There's a container of,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: you know, one of those half liter plastic containers of water. Okay,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: give me that right here. Okay, there it is sitting there.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: And the magpie, it's up to the top with water.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: The magpie goes and drinks the water. As the magpie
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: drinks the water, what happens to the water level? It drops.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Now his beak can't reach the water. What does the
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: magpie do? It goes to the side, grabs a pebble,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: drops the pebble in, raising the level of water and
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: drinks again. He does this four times. It's a video.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Look at it. This is before AI, so AI had
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with this. So there's a magpie using
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Bernoulli's principle of buoyancy, okay, or displacement, to drink water.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: That's crazy because if I did that, y'all get me 5150.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? If I did the exact
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: same thing, you'd be like, okay, we got to commit.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: So I'm just saying other animals on Earth will have
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: their versions of intelligence that an alien might value. Let's
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: get back to your question, which was, oh, why would they,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: what might they value? I worry that we have so
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: many satellites orbiting now Elon alone has three quarters of
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: all satellites that are orbiting the Earth.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Like 78% of something crazy.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's up. And we have like
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: 14,000 satellites orbiting the Earth. And we have debris orbiting
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: the Earth, dangerous debris. If that stuff hits you, going
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: 18,000 miles an hour, that's orbital speed. That's five times
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: the speed of a rifle bullet.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, we are out.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Okay? So that can blow apart other satellites just with
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: the kinetic energy. so they might see that and say
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not coming near this place because that's dangerous to
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: even land so that could be why we've never been
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: visited or they visited looked around and saw that humans
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: carved up the world by who what creator of the
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: universe they believe then they worship it or what is
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: their skin color or what is their height or who
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: they sleep with, or what foods they eat, on what
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: day they eat the food, what time of day they
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: eat what they, they'll see this. And then they'll see
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: people kill one another because of these beliefs that are
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: different from one another. And I'm convinced at that point,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: when they see the war and bloodshed over things as
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: shallow as what creator of the universe you pray to,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: they'll run home and say, there's no sign of intelligent
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: life on Earth.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Now, what I hope happens is they land in San
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Diego during Comic-Con.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: That would confuse them.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: No, no. Then it was like, then they phone home
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: and say, they're just like us. And Comic-Con people are
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: very friendly, you know. No judgments. You know, if you're
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: a little overweight, you're a little this, you're a little that,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: a little gimpy, nobody's judging. They'll judge your costume. That's it.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: But it is pure love for everyone with a shared interest.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: And.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Fantasy storytelling.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: That would be hilarious if the aliens came down, went
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: to Comic-Con, and then accused us of cultural appropriation. That
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: would be hilarious. Now, could the stigma around studying extraterrestrials
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: actually be slowing down scientific discovery?
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I think so, and the government knew that, which is
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: why they rebranded UFOs to what?
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know the word. UAPs.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: UAPs, so Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon. They're talking about the same thing,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: but it rebranded it, and once you bring these high-level
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: people in, and not the drunkards coming out of the
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: bar testifying that they've been abducted. So I think it's
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: become a serious topic.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: So what do you believe those pilots are actually seeing
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: now that they've rebranded it? I don't know.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, they could be aliens. I just need better
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: evidence than your testimony or a fuzzy photo.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: So what specific evidence would you need?
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: The alien! Didn't I say that 20 minutes ago? Were
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: you paying attention? He's still in the blowholes. He's stuck
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: on blowholes. Yeah, he can't get the chicken.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: What if alien life looks nothing like anything we've ever seen?
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: We might encounter ETs and not even recognize them.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: So first of all, what would surprise me most is
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: if in Congress they finally go into the back shed
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: and bring out the alien. and it looked humanoid. That
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: would surprise me the most. If it walked out on
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: two legs, you know, how many creatures in the world
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: walk on two legs, right? Just think about that. If
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: it walked out on two legs, it had a head
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: and all of this, all right? Even in Steven Spielberg's
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Disclosure Day, okay? You know, they release all these videos, right?
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: At the end, you don't need any of that because why?
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: They had the alien. They brought out the alien. So
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I don't care about your videos at this point. Bring
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: the alien out. Bring out the alien. Is that too
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: much to ask? I don't think so at this point.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I think we're ready for it.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: You think within the alien species, because you said we're
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: all divided up and everything like that, you don't think
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: that there's any divide at all? Like there's just one big.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Species? It could be. I don't want to claim to
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: know their social order. which is really what you're addressing there. Uh, but, uh,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: by other animals do have social orders, but nothing so, uh,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: discriminatory or evil as we are upon one another that
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: I've been able to determine. But, um, what could it
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: look like in 1958? There was a movie called the
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: blob starring Steve McQueen, the, an alien came to earth.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: It was a, A blob. It was an invertebrate blob.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: It didn't have arms or legs or bones or exoskeleton.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: And it came towards you and it consumed you until
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: there was nothing. By the way, when the blob landed,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: it was a transparent gel. After its first victim, it
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: was red for the entire rest of the movie. And
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I thought that was gangster right there. Okay.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: So that's a creative alien, I think.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: You know, in UFO folklore, they talk about the reptilians
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: always going to war with the greys.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Because the greys don't like how the reptilians manipulate.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: So in here, I have a list of the alien archetypes. Okay.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: So the greys, those are perhaps the ones most familiar.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: They're grey, pale grey with big eyes and a big
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: head and.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: This sort of thing. Yeah. Seriously. Oh, okay. That is
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: such a predictable question.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: A clown.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: No, it's not. You never even heard of the Greys, though,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: just now. No, but it's an alien costume. Did you
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: let Neil talk?
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: What is interesting is the aliens never have, like, full
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: heads of hair. I always thought that was interesting.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Actually, you ate that down.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: No!
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not the only person in here that doesn't have
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: a full head of hair.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: It'd be cool if the alien came down and had
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: your hair. That'd be cool. It's like, go sister!
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Come down to the.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: As soon as I take it off, I'm like, oh, hey,
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: what's up?
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Right, right. Yeah, so another thing, I'm intrigued that all
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: of our representations of aliens and flying saucers, they always...
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: come out on a ramp. You ever notice that? They're
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: never climbing downstairs. There's a ramp. That meant that they
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: had accessible boarding long before we ever figured that out.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Before we had the ADA rules. Aliens, you know. Their
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: wheelchairs could go.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Their wheelchairs?
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that that was... Aliens were ahead. Ahead
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: of us.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: You ever think of aliens and listen to what we're
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: saying and be like, these guys are full of shit.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I think they would be enchanted that we would be
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: giving this much attention to what they could be like.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: Have you ever seen a person that you'd be like,
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: he looks kind of like an alien?
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: You know, in... No, no, no. In Men in Black.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: In Men in Black....
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: When they went to the headquarters, right? And there's a
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: big video wall of the aliens on earth that they
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: were tracking. These are people who just look a little
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: different from other people. Do you remember some of the
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: people who were on there? Michael Jackson was on there.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, yes. It goes by fast, so you have to
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: just watch. Right. Michael Jackson doesn't look entirely of this earth, right?
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: That was after the surgery.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Of course, but this is, yeah, I mean, Men in
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Black was after Michael Jackson turned white, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: and his surgeries. And Al Roker is on there.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: I've never seen Al Roker.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Al Roker was on Men in Black? No, no, no.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: His video image.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: You're going to the headquarters.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: These are the aliens they're tracking. But Michael spoke to them, though.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Michael actually.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: I don't remember that.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was part of the movie. Michael was actually
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: part of the film.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I don't remember that.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: It was on the screen.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I don't remember. Al Roker Wells. No, just some other
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: people who would just look a little different from other people.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Shaq might have been up there, I don't know. But
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying. So here's the thing. So I talk
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: in here how you would test for that. If they
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: try to become humanoid and fit in, then, oh, I
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: didn't get back to the warring between the reptiles. But
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: if they try to fit in and look humanoid, they
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: could do that until they had to go to the doctor.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: And any doctor with a stethoscope would know instantly that
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: if they were not human, okay? Because why would the
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: heart be in the same place and sound the same
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: way with the same heartbeat? And if they were able
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: to duplicate all of that, then what's the difference? Call
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: them human and get on with life, right? They're no
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: longer an interesting alien if they're exactly human. That's what
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. So.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: We need to see the aliens.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Thank you. This is a never ending. There's so many possibilities.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Right, right. And to say, oh, do you believe that
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: these are, like I said, I'm just waiting. I'm still
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: eating my popcorn, waiting for the alien to walk out.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Of the bag.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: So the different types. The reptilians and greys. So there
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: are others. There's the greys. There's the reptilians. There's the. Anunnaki. Yes.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: And I have a whole list in here. So these
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: archetypes are from people's testimonies. Okay. There's a whole chapter
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: in here called alien evidence, which is what people bring
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: forth as what they call evidence. They're testimony. So some
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: are Nordic. Okay. So they're blonde hair and they're beautiful
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: and all that. That's a whole archetype. So I don't
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: know that they were warring with each other out there,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: but if they're going to have battles among themselves, don't
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: bring it to earth. like in the Avengers and Thor
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: and these, you know, don't mess up my planet. Go
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: to another planet and have your fight.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: So what do you say to people like Senator John Kennedy?
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: He was on Will Kane's show, and he literally said,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: the leadership of Iran, China, Russia, and North Korea are
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: part of a colony of reptiles. That's what he said.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, when you hear... Okay, now that man is
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: famous for some famous... quotes, okay?
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: But that's very specific to say those individuals are reptiles
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: and part of a colony of reptiles. That's feeding into
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of conspiracy theories.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I'd say I'd want better evidence
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: than the senator's testimony on this. Yeah, yeah, that's it.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: And so, it's a fun subject. So in here, I
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: used Hollywood's attempt to portray aliens as starting points for
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Is That Even Possible?, is that the xenomorph has its
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: own taxonomic name, the xenomorph from Alien with Sigourney Weaver.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: That alien has properties. Do you remember the alien in
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: the Flintstones? Who's old enough here to remember that one?
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: I don't remember the alien in the Flintstones.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: I remember the Flintstones, but not an alien.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: The Great Kazoo. Okay, the reason why you might not
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: remember is because it was in the last season and
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: they might have jumped the shark by then. This is
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Stone Age family.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, he had a great kazoo, yeah, yeah, yeah. I
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: don't know why I didn't think of him.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: As an alien. Because he's an alien. He's green and
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: he's got antennas. He's an alien.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: Oh, yep.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, and he pops in and out of existence. So
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I talk about popping in and out of existence. You
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: can do that if you're higher dimensional and you pass through.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: But you can't just take all of your matter and
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: get rid of it without it turning into energy. That
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: would create a massive explosion. So I give authentic analysis
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: of people's efforts to think about the powers that aliens
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: would have, like up and down, TV. There was even
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: a musical called Fear the Hobbolinks, or Here Come the Hobbolink,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: the Globolinks, the Globolinks. It is not a music, it
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: is an opera. an opera. The globolinks is an alien
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: that comes to Earth and it goes to terrorize this
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: school of children, but it's a music school. And it
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: turns out the globolink is completely different distressed and cannot
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: stand melodies and harmonies. And so, what a setup for
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: an opera, right? So the kids start singing and the
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: globbling withers. But when they stop singing, then he tries
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: to attack them. So it's reached even the operatic stage.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: How old is the universe?
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: About 13.8 billion years.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: And Earth is what?
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Earth is four and a half billion. What matters... It's
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: less than half that age. What matters for Earth is, right,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: if you start the clock, when we could have had
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: life at all, how long did it take life to
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: get here, to form? About 100 million years, which is
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: not that much time. 100 million years ago, the dinosaurs
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: were here, right? So it's not that much time. And
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: we spend a lot of time being single-celled organisms, single cells.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: That's not interesting. That's not interesting. Half a billion years,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: we started getting appendages, eyeballs and legs and locomotion. And
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: then we're off to the races. And so here's something
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: to think about.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Hold on, but isn't it possible that there's civilizations that
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: are way older than us that possess technology so advanced
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: that our scientific instruments couldn't even detect it?
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Here on Earth?
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: The reason why I think it's unlikely is we see
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: sedimentary layers this is where we get the ancient fossils, okay?
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: If there was an entire advanced civilization, I'm thinking they
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: would leave something, if not their bones, they would leave
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: some bits of their technology.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: How do we know they didn't, though?
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: No, okay, then you have to say it's there, but
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: they've left no trace. Then that's not a conversation we
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: can have. You're going to say, oh, there's a completely
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: advanced civilization on Earth, but they vanished without a trace. Well... Okay,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: that again is the realm of a belief system because
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: if they've answered without a trace, there's no hope of
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: even getting evidence to support it. But if apocalyptic earth
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: and all of our cities submerged and then there's some
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: civilization afterwards, something's going to stick out. You blew it up,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: you damn dirty apes. What am I?
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: Hey, yo.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: I didn't know they was white, Neil.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: This is the end scene of the Planet of the Apes.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: With Charlton Heston, he sees evidence of a previous civilization.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: And what is that evidence? The Statue of Liberty sticking
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: out of the water. Don't you remember this dude?
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Well, you said Charlton Heston. I'm thinking about the Mark
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Wahlberg one, man. But even that one, he ended with,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: it was the Abel.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, that was the, right. When they redid it. Right, right.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: I'm old school here. I'm sorry. Oh, okay. So, yeah,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: so you would see some evidence, some of the metal,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: some of the engineering. You'd see bridges. You'd see things.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: So we don't see any of that. We just see
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: older and older fossils.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Unless you believe in the whole reverse engineering thing and
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: a lot of this technology that we use.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, I have a comment on that. I have a
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: comment on that. People don't really understand exponential growth, okay?
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Everyone who is on an exponential growth curve, no matter
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: where you are, believes that they're living in special times.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: They believe this, okay? That's what exponential growth is. It's
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: changed so rapidly, you think you're special.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, so like all of the technocrats, basically. Elon Musk.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is, when you have a free
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: society and discoveries and engineering can cross-pollinate, oh my gosh.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: We went from the Wright brothers in 1903 to 45
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: years later, we're breaking the sound barrier. To 11 years
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: after that, the Boeing 707, the first commercial jet, its
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: wingspan was greater than the distance flown by the Wright brothers.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: So that was 65 years later. Two years after that,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: we're walking on the moon. You would think, oh my gosh,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: this must be alien technology. You are underselling human ingenuity there.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Ooh.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: That is what we do. And the whole history of
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: technology is precisely that.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: So what do you think of the theory that some
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: extraterrestrials are actually time travelers who are humans that are
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: 100 years in the future, so they're using their technology
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: to come back to this time?
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I like the time travel hypothesis, but how
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: are they getting back? I mean, do we see the
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: time machine? Do they just will it and then they can?
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: And why would they do that? What are they trying
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: to do? Are you suggesting maybe- That'd be fine. Are
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: you saying they have future technology that they're sharing with us?
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: But if they're humans, that's still our technology, right? There's
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: still stuff we came up with. You know, give us
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: some damn credit here for what we can invent and
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: figure out and explore. This is what exploration is all about.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: So the time travel is ourselves. I'm not as convinced
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: by that. Plus time travel is really dangerous. You can
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: time travel to the past. You could totally mess with
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: the future order of the universe in ways that you
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: don't know. And good sci-fi stories have attempted to portray that.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: We've seen them back in the future.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Exactly. So here's an example. There's a hypothetical particle called
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: a tachyon, which is a particle that exists faster than light.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: And if you go faster than light, time goes backwards
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: for you. We've never found it. We don't think it's
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: out there, but we can talk about it. So I
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: imagine an app, a messaging app, where you can message
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: someone with tachyons. That would be fun, okay? But watch,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: here's a scenario that I think would play out. Your
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: friend is walking down the street and slips on a
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: banana peel and gets hurt. You say, wait a minute,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: I have a tachyon messaging system. I can send a
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: message and say, watch out for the banana peel. You'll
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: get it before he slips on the banana peel. So
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: you're techie on that message. The person's walking down the street.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: They pick up their phone. While they're reading your message,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: they're not looking where they're stepping, and they slip on
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: the banana peel. Damn. So, in fact, you caused the
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: slippage on the banana peel.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be honest with you.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: I don't believe in people slipping on banana peels. I
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: ain't never seen that shit except for in cartoons. Okay.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: I've never seen it in my life. Neither did I
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: until I tested it.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: You just randomly slipped on, come on, man.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, I tested it. No, dude, you gotta
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: test these things. So you put a banana peel, there's
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: nothing slippery about a banana peel unless it falls face
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: down and all of the peels are facing the surface.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: So it's gotta be the peel.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: So like the inside is on the peel. The inside
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: is pointing down. And you put it on a smooth surface. Now,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: you step on that thing, your ass is on the
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: ground one and a half seconds later. I tested this.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: You went all the way through with the test. No,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: I stepped on it.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: No, when I was a kid. I was a very...
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: You wanted to fall. I saw all the banana peel things, right? Yeah,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: I got you.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: You made yourself fall, Neil. No, no, no.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I stepped on it. It quickly slipped out from under me.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: And it was like, wow, this is slipperier.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Were you a fat kid?
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: No. And it don't matter.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Shout out to all the fake kids out there.
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: But I was just saying.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: I was actually quite athletic. Oh, I know.
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I was athletic. You slipped? No, no, I'm saying it
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: was an experiment. I stepped on it to see how
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: slippery it was. It's the slipperiest thing my foot has
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: ever stepped in.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: And you from New York? Ice? Black ice, Neil?
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: It is slipperier than that.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: I don't believe you.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: I don't believe you. So here's the good thing. Here's
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: the good thing. The good thing about science is it's
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: true whether or not you believe in it. Hold on.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: I looked you up as a college student.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: This you right here? You were a college athlete?
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Let me see.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was wrestling. Yes.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Okay. You slipped.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: How did you slip?
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: What I'm saying is I put my foot on it
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: to test. In here. I also danced. What? You just
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: went into my hand. I was, no, no. You're speaking
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: as though I accidentally slipped on the, this was an experiment.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: How slippery is the banana peel? I put it down.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: flanged it out the way they do in the cartoons.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: I stepped on it with one foot and my foot
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: slid out. You ain't gotta explain it, Neil.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Why am I gonna explain it?
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Bring out the banana peel. I speak truth here. The
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: good thing about science.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: This is my last question.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: What if discovery... You.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: See the picture, I was also a performing member of
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: three different dance.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Looking at this one.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Dance company.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, Neil.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I was a completely coordinated kid. Okay. I was completely coordinated.
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Okay. What if discovering ETs is the one thing that
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: finally makes humanity realize we're all one people?
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: So.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: in fact, in here, believe it or not, I quote
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, when he was talking about the Cold War?
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Exactly. He's addressing the UN. And I would look it up,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: but I'll paraphrase it. He's addressing the UN, joint session. 1987,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: we're still in the Cold War. The wall hasn't come
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: down yet. He says, remember he's from Hollywood, right? So
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: he's got a little bit of wiring left over from
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Hollywood storytelling. And he says, I can imagine that one
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: thing that could unite us all would be aliens coming
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: to invade Earth. And then we would put down all
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: of our differences and come together.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: As one. Now, that would only happen if the aliens
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: were evil and wanted to harm us. So I'd rather
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: that not be the case. And this whole thing about
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: evil aliens, here's what I worry about. We don't know
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: what aliens, how they would behave with their super duper technology.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: But we do know how humans have behaved when one
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: higher technology encounters a culture that has lower technology Or
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: no technology at all. We know how that plays out.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: They're either slaughtered, imprisoned, they're enslaved. And throughout the history
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: of colonization, that's how that's played out. So I think
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: the trope of the evil alien is not based on
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: what we think aliens will be. is based on how
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: we know we would treat us in exactly that situation.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: So we're going to be animals.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: We're going to be people's pets. Neil deGrasse Tyson. Wow.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: That's a silent E, by the way. That's a silent E.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: Neil deGrasse Tyson.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Neil deGrasse Tyson.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: It's French.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: It's French.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: Well, thank you so much for joining us.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: Take me to your leader perspectives on your first Alien Encounter.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: It's available everywhere you buy books now. Always a pleasure
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: talking to you. And tell them the podcast, too. Oh, yeah.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Thanks. I got a podcast called Star Talk.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: Star Talk.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: And we talk about science as it relates to our
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: culture and pop culture. And I have a co-host who's
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: a comedian. And so we just have fun. A scientifically
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: literate comedian, Chuck Nice.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Chuck Nice.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Chuck Nice, yeah. So we have fun bringing science down
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: to earth. There you go. Every week.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: Don't be a stranger, man. You're in New York, man.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: Come to the Breakfast Club. Listen, I saw you at
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Jay-Z's premiere. And that's when I figured out my man
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: has his own podcast. And he doesn't call. He doesn't write.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: He doesn't think. So I grabbed his lapel. We were
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: all in tux. And I said... Put me on your podcast.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: I always tell you, Neil, we're waiting on you.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: You sound like the aliens.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: Nail the grass, Tyson.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: You don't call this a podcast. This is like a show.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: This is radio.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: We come on morning radio, 6 a.m.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: To 10 a.m. You're on radio, on iHeartRadio. We're in
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: 130 markets.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: And then we put out a podcast daily.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: And we broadcast interdimensionally as well. Interdimensionally.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. And there's nothing I
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: can say about that because I don't have access to
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: those dimensions.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: I know. That's right.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: Well, it's The Breakfast Club. It's Neil deGrasse Tyson.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: One of the dimensions is called Netflix.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: Hold up. Every day I wake up.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Wake your ass up.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: The Breakfast Club.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: Y'all finished or y'all done?