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Talks to Simon Hart about his choice of The Aztecs (2/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm so drunk. Welcome back to deliver blunt
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  penknife the doctor commentary podcast.
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  We're back for episode 2 of the Aztecs aren't we?
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  Joe we are we were riveted and educated during episode 1
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  lutely. Actually I do have a question
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  few straight now. I have sort of a Trivial Pursuit
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  educational. Doctor, Who do you think?
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  Do you think Doctor Who should educate or entertain?
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  Because I only ask you this because I feel like they dropped
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  the educate over time. Yes.
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  And Lenin to entertain. Yes.
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  I think it some of the best stops who can do both in time,
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  but you can do it, two, different levels.
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  So it depends what you want to do with your sword.
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  This one very much educated. It's I think but it really
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  entertained as well because you can have the drama plus the
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  education part as well. So as long as you've got the
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  drama working, then that's that's fine.
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  The education can come out of that.
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  What I mean is there's a fact that's a nice comedy in this as
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  well as. Yes a lovely character work
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  alongside good but there is a list of facts as well.
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  Yeah but it's when your story stops so that someone can
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  explain lots of facts to you. Are you talking about the
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  sareng, a country that could count particularly, okay.
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  But there aren't, there are examples all through Doctor, Who
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  ain't? You've got sequence in the Dalek
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  invasion of Earth where they're talking about something and it
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  feels like it's plunked in the educational remix whereas
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  sometimes in and again sometimes in the Pertwee era where the
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  doctor is explaining things to Joe it's just like a barrage of
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  Of yaks. I find as well like there's like
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  a lots of moral lessons in. Yes, they end up planning on the
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  dollhouse. Don't run with scissors.
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  Joe. I do wish.
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  Like, I would love to have seen more historical Z.
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  Yeah, Pat routes time. Yeah.
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  I think it's a real, it's a real shame that the historical part
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  of Doctor Who is dropped, because they say, they're not
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  popular, and I'm going to say something potentially
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  contentious now, okay? I don't think that it so I
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  obviously, they brought back historical roles in new?
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  Who, yes, in a fairly big way. Yes.
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  And I think there are a couple In Rusty, Davis, and Steven
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  Moffat it's time. I'm going to point out fires of
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  Pompeii. Yeah.
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  Especially the latter half of that human nature and Vincent
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  and the doctor. Yeah, there are serious enough
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  and and they have a bit of gravity about them, but I don't
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  think it's until Chris chibnall came back that the historical is
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  really started taping of the heart.
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  No no no. I'm having a Loss of impacts,
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  Rosa. And demons of the Punjab are two
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  of my favorite stories from series 11 Mighty.
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  And yeah, and he, taking Doctor Who to different parts of
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  history as well. And it's not British history
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  based on reports and 12. I was just wondering that as
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  well. It's Nicholas has not yet era
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  which is very much entertaining. Yes.
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  So although there was some education in there as well.
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  Oh, I suppose as parts of stifle to Yes.
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  Yeah of course yeah so yeah. And then obviously in the flux
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  he's and there's a very secret. Yes.
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  Vote. But that's not necessarily
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  history, that's gone. Wrong history perverse which is
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  yeah. But do you
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  have had Some kind of alien threats.
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  I think. I think, I think they might be,
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  they should they should be brave enough to know.
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  They could have taken kraskow Alrosa.
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  Yeah. And it would have been just as
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  good and they could have taken out the memory creatures in
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  demons, the Punjab, and that story had enough drama in it
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  without Dash as well. And job is it is that it is?
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  Yeah that's a really great episode more.
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  I think about that the more. I like it, but that's what, you
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  know. They're kind of the Lush
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  production. Value of Punjab.
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  Yes, that's what the Aztecs would look like.
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  If it was made. Exactly, you know, they would go
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  and filming in the temples in, Mexico, that place?
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  Yes. That one
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  Okay. Yes.
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  Yes, just failed history. What did history a level?
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  But we never did the Aztecs house.
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  Yes, it's a very long time ago where you found the Aztecs -.
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  Education inform is not to be confused with the other dogs at
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  home. That's Jason Miller.
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  It is because your doc oh ho and he's doctor Dr. Opposed our
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  fucking original idea these days as well.
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  Yes. Their religion.
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  Yes. It's a 2-0 away from Doctor Who?
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  Yes, I've seen a few things he's done.
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  I never say I hear he did a phenomenal performance.
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  In Brighton Rock. I've never seen their boards a
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  lot, but it's not the kind of story.
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  I do like side gangsters and gangs in our writer.
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  Yeah, it's just down the road. You see here how?
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  He's upset her. Yes.
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  And now he Comforts. Yes.
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  And that shows how much his Doctor has mellowed over, which
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  kind of poison. Oh, well, yeah, for sure.
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  Yeah. And compare that to how we was
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  in, in the first story. It's really, really interesting
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  to see how he's he's realized how to do this.
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  And so funny thing about that. Yeah, he's honest on The Voyage
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  of Discovery as much as everyone else.
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  That's really interesting point as well because I think in any
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  future iterations of the doctor, the development comes with the
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  actor softening in the role. Very Try one try out and finds
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  his feet. I find around the moon base.
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  Yes, where he's worked out. What hasn't worked?
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  Not really. He's, he's really pitching.
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  What he's doing with the character with / way.
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  He's a bit of a prick until Katie many comes along and even
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  then, it's still a. Yeah?
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  And then, but then he softens, yeah, sort of ten thousand
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  eight, nine and ten. And that's just the actor being
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  comfortable in the role again and asking for his moments of
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  child. But I think they're specifically
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  developing these carrot. Yeah, I think over the First
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  first season there is definite development and change in all of
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  them. And when you get that lovely
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  scene at the start of the sentence rights, where they're
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  laughing about, where they've been, and if so, that's quite
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  the spirit of Adventure and officer program,
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  The brand the console together and then the end of that story.
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  Yeah. And brilliantly a few years
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  back. When, when, if you're about to
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  tell me you've had sex with me in college.
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  Okay? Cool.
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  Scholar audios. We just finished our first
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  series with Brendan and unfortunate.
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  Brendan went back to Australia Road really isn't?
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  Yeah, absolutely but a couple of hours we were putting Mark, he
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  messaged us on Twitter to say what is another part for me?
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  Seriously, seriously, you know, find all videos so he was he was
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  local to me. He was in some of the next town
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  and never told me this before, but to save my story.
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  The blade 60s, early 70s, and they showed a couple of episodes
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  and he did a live commentary again in Camberley.
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  And I wish I'd gone to that would have been really
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  interesting to see but yeah what a lovely man?
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  That's really good. Love profiting stories, Daniela
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  stack up and say we're not here for your educational.
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  You're here for the town. The topic of this at school and
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  just thinking, I don't get on with this one because I didn't
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  know how to pronounce the names of the characters because I the
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  Topsail. Yeah, but it's written down with
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  teas and eggs is a Nails all over the place.
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  Yeah, I had no idea in the story.
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  Um, it's a very brief novel. Yes, I read it this year and it
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  just didn't seem to have the complexity of how and I think
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  it's the performance that you're missing.
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  Yes, on the pages are bitch, right?
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  Yeah but the performances of really rooted particularly John
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  counteracts Jeong Runa. I love him being aware.
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  He's like smoothies so many media lady ever had the power
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  behind everything this to me. Small mining.
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  Yeah. When he's in the background of a
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  scene, he's watching everything and watching everyone's
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  reactions and you can see him thinking the whole time, it's
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  Robert Ash. Yeah, it comes down in the
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  Smugglers as well. It's he is.
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  We think the tax really collect. Oh yeah.
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  Can I tell you something? That you cannot lie right in the
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  DVD extras on the outside. Yeah, he's being interviewed
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  along with burn. Okay.
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  Yes. Are being super nasty about
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  William Hartnell? Yeah, it's not.
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  Yeah, it's not pleasant saying that backdrop again in the
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  temple. I just love it.
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  Beautiful. It's not.
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  What I love is that they've done it.
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  So it looks like the sunlight is here.
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  Yeah, the ramparts are stacked like yeah, it's beautiful, isn't
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  it looks 3D. Yeah.
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  Is that your background just eavesdropping?
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  The pictures were he's not got the way bulb.
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  That's how he looks. Oh no.
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  Look, you can see the corner of the settlers yours and mine will
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  never be. And I think that sums up Hot
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  Wheels doctor, doesn't it? Look at that small.
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  He's he's gonna be fucking everybody.
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  We talk a lot. You don't get every day.
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  Someone has made the attacks of costume.
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  No. Yeah with the big sunflower hat
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  and she looked resplendent. It was absolutely brilliant.
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  There's also Frazier a quark. Well someone may have for
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  someone might call at the Utopia.
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  Yeah went to in Bristol someone made a wind up quark and it adds
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  a like you know yeah awkward thing at the back end.
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  Do it is, aren't when. This is one of those stories
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  where I really wish you we can see in color.
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  Yes, it's wingspan. Its vibrant.
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  I think there are a few color. There are color photographs on
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  there. That just looks so beautiful.
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  Oh this is fabulous because he uses the doctor doesn't need to.
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  Yeah, worry down. Ian.
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  Yeah. In order to gain access to it.
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  So it's a lot. It's all this dangerous.
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  Yeah, exactly. It's it's like a political drama
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  but it's just that in the Aztec time.
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  So they're all stabbing each other in the back and all trying
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  to get one off on each other. But this is a world away from
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  like I don't know, Mariners. It's like the moon base and
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  things like that. Where it's just yeah the
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  monsters attacking and we need a big weapon.
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  Stop them and it's as simple as that.
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  It's so simple yet. So, is this has got layers?
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  Yeah, this is not twist, you know, and substance.
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  Yeah. And this is where your
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  historicals give a contrast to your science fiction stories.
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  But this is where my argument comes in where people go.
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  Why has it kind of evolved into that?
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  So kind of pure entertainment in order to survive but this is
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  really entertaining. It's great TV.
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  Yeah, it does and suddenly you've got bigger shadows and
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  things like that because you can light it differently and it's
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  not one great big long lighting. Oh yeah you'll be told who to
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  marry. This is a good thing.
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  This is a good story for Susan. Yeah I can often get a lot to do
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  but she gets really interesting material.
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  I would be told who to marry Like, which is what they are.
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  Yeah, my brother is my begins with J deep in.
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  So in Dart language, cat helmet on external.
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  Yeah, fabulous. That's really great.
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  Isn't it? Look at that.
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  I think I could use that, you know, some kind of sexual right
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  side. That's your furry side coming
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  out, I'm sorry to do this live on a recording.
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  Pretend to be dogs and they put on the dog masks and they go on
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  their doors and they have sex with each other, like dogs. how
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  to push your head to answer that because if I say yes, I do know
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  that then Poison of the plant.
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  Yes. To poison his friend.
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  Do you know which tree has poisonous?
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  Sap, which street has poisonous a Laburnum tree?
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  Do you know how I know that Mark?
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  The problem is that pops up? You feel like you've wasted your
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  life? Do you think this is the
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  strongest historical? Oh well I yes I do actually, I
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  mean I'm going to make a punt from the things that different
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  one. Okay.
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  And you may disagree with me, I think it's terribly boring.
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  I think the massacre of st. Bartholomew's Eve is, all you do
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  that. The full name of?
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  Wow. I think it's pretty much
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  Peerless as a script and I've almost willing to bet, Patty
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  Russell's duration of that was incredible.
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  I struggle a bit with that. I've been bit Because of on the
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  audio, everyone sounds the same, okay?
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  And I've been, it just confuses me about which character is,
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  which because it's not always clear to me.
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  I think seeing it would be a completely different experience,
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  but I've always, yeah, Peter Purvis is never better than in
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  that saw reheating. He is leading the series of that
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  your voice is him. And That's yeah, that's that's
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  one, but it's not a favorite. It's a bit drive.
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  From, I like a bit. This has, this has fun as well,
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  and they were comedy moments. And, and just frankly, like I
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  was going to comment about this sequence and the lighting in
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  this, see ya? It just looks amazing, you know,
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  and you can't see them a scar and that is that yeah that makes
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  that makes it more difficult. I would say, isn't it from the
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  land? It's quite quite a lot to drop
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  on somebody and this then really affects all lot to extend where
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  he like that. Yeah he has the doubt because of
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  her and has to take himself off. Okay.
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  Bye. Bye by throwing him into an
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  epistemological quandary. Wow!
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  No! No, I got that line from Paul.
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  Alright, throwing him into goes off into the hills, doesn't he?
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  And he will and he's not killed by Cortez.
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  Yeah. So she's done.
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  What happens in the fires of Pompeii?
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  She has saved someone yes. Just one.
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  One person that it's nice. That that's inadvertent in it.
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  Yes, it has not done today. You've got to do it, you know,
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  although I love that scene as well, I'm telling you that's up,
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  take the, how awful what I think it is?
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  It Taps into the gala profound good for your people.
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  Blood pressure. These feel great.
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  I love them. They always have like their own
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  little character subplot that. Yes, I got.
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  It's the balance of power between a high place of
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  sacrifice and the hybrid sort of knowledge, and that's the sad
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  again, the central argument, its knowledge versus watching a
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  minute when they set the guards on Hartnell.
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  He loses his shit. Yes, not having any of it.
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  I'm sorry. I'm bringing my see game today.
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  I figure. We look at is resisting arrest.
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  When he's got it. He froze it and remember in the
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  Roman. Yeah.
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  Tosses that guy out of it. Yeah.
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  All the time. If he ever has to hit anyone
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  with his walk, he when you get to them, when there's a
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  suggestion that robot doctors going to take out from him, then
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  the trace, he gets his Cane and he whacks him.
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  You wouldn't believe I can still do it.
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  I can remember the Locking. Don't bring in a dad, so nothing
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  like me. So so is going to get his hero
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  moment with a big fight. He gets compliments.
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  He does. Yeah.
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  I think it's worth pointing out. That William Russell is
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  extremely handsome. Yes, he really is and there's
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  something I didn't realize till I was older.
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  What? I'll take it?
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  Yes. Um, the fight is pretty good.
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  Yay. Yeah, it's a bit slow but that's
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  fine because it's it's a different kind of combat.
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  It's not a No II. Don't know why I think I feel
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  like it's quite destructive, but then when they come to blows,
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  yeah, things are actually being destroyed as they come around.
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  So I feel like it's got a bit more of a to it and some time,
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  let me know which stays Acadia ever week and the fighting that
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  honestly not dancing around. The music was dating.
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  Someone recently do this. Yes.
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  What was that all about? I don't know because I forgot to
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  listen to it because I'm a big fan of Doctor Who incidental
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  music and that would be exactly what I forgot.
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  For this one. There are no no not on that
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  floor, your life, it's someone before but only one because he
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  was an asshole. I Define the train station once.
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  So I started my two friends or and so I kind of jumped in and
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  then my two friends got on the train and left me and they kick
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  the shit out of me. Oh, we're not friends anymore.
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  That is a very very sick. Make sure everyone knows exactly
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  what's going on there. Any one of us home you'd get
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  stage Direction, the last. I think I'm James script.
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  All right, I'm just speaking of characters in terms of the
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  verbal. It's yeah.
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  Looking in agony at their hand with I've got a Ford in my head
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  and they explain things in such death is like, as you can see,
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  the first mcgahren did not switch off his translator.
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  Nice. What do you need?
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  Just have a hug. We still got the chop.
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  Yeah, he's not gonna last much longer.
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  Is he? See there's another very 60s
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  move in a minute where the socks all comes in and it's like, you
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  are detection, 7, save him. Is that a massive clothes off?
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  It's going down. Okay, I see what you mean a
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  little bit slow. Yeah, this the dragging.
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  This out the third time to go through, you know?
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  Yeah. I false goddess.
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  My Barracks destroy. It always comes.
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  Don't mess with Barbara especially when it comes to
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  weird. If you are your taxes?
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  Yes. Has he been blacked out up?
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  I don't think you that. I think they've just done.
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  I love you big whore. I've only have to watch the next
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  episode and just make sure now. So I mean I was watching the
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  diet's master plan the other day.
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  Yes, and there's clearly some blacking out going on.
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  That Marv exchange. Yeah, because I'm slightly
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  unfortunate. I'm going to do.
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  I'm going to put you in an awkward position now and ask you
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  God's, if that is an acceptable practice of time or is it
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  something that is a deal-breaker with you watching?
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  Because I know it is for some people?
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  It's well I don't think it would it should ever be looked at as
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  an acceptable practice. However, much it was an Accepted
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  part of how you did things at this time, there are many
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  egregious examples of this Doctor, Who Crusade next year,
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  is not good. And that's tell us when China
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  obviously. Yeah.
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  But you said that in right with the breath.
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  Yeah, I'm not going, I'm not doing that argument but
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  Everything is a product of the time.
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  It is made it like a naivety to it is.
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  Yes. Like it's not an insult, it's
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  not meant to be a fin. It's not actively offensive.
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  It's actively offensive now. Yeah.
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  And it's just the level to which you can accept something as a
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  product of the time it's made in or whether you've built that.
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  That that is unacceptable in any Case.
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  Do you think both? I think you can see it from both
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  things. And I think there there is,
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  there is worse stereotyping of cultural competence, but there
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  is more stereotyping of cultures and types of people.
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  Yeah, in Doctor Who that is worse than a little bit of
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  blacking up. In date.
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  Yeah, and I do think like, you and I, we've made the argument
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  in the past with phrase out, that approaching Doctor, Who is
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  a personal choice. I they're all views are
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  subjective, awesome fact. And so, I think it is okay to
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  say that it's acceptable to watch it and it's okay to say,
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  it's not. Yeah, absolutely.
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  I think both are perfectly fine. It's not, okay, I'm going on
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  right now, sorry, it's not okay, to point at somebody who can
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  watch it and say you are a racist cashing this because
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  you're not less, you are. Yeah, you've got hope that for
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  that. So that's a different argument
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  again, as well. Just by watching tones of when
• 33:04
  trying doesn't make you racist but how you if you can
• 33:09
  understand I'm going to get into this argument and a common but
• 33:15
  if you sometimes you need to consider how things were made.
• 33:19
  And doesn't necessarily mean you have to approve of how it was
• 33:22
  made. And just that little bit of
• 33:26
  awareness is I think you can take a very adult overview of
• 33:32
  looking down on this thing and saying that that's not okay.
• 33:36
  And still say this is a perfectly entertaining.
• 33:38
  This question.