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Beyond the Iceman: The Human Wake of a Serial Killer · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: Consuming true crime is it's often a lot like watching
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a hurricane on the local news. You know that feeling, right, Oh,
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absolutely yeah, Chris. You're sitting safely in your living room,
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the TV is glowing, and you are just mesmerized by
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the sheer, terrifying power of the.
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Speaker 2: Storm, right, the spectacle of it all.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. You're watching the wind speed telemetry, you know, tracking
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the storm surges. You're staring at this aerial footage of
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roofs just being ripped off buildings and trees snapping in
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half like twigs.
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Speaker 2: Because it's fascinating, I mean in a morbid.
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Speaker 1: Way, totally morbid, but we are naturally drawn to that destruction.
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We want to know exactly how big the storm is,
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what category it hit, the exact path of devastation it carved.
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But then you know, eventually.
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Speaker 3: The storm passes, when U cycle moves on right.
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Speaker 1: The helicopters fly away, the anchors pivot to the next
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breaking story, and the rest of us just go back
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to our perfectly normal, dry lives. But today, for this
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deep dive, we are not looking.
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Speaker 3: At the storm.
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Speaker 2: No, we are definitely not.
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Speaker 1: We are focusing on the people who are left behind,
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the people trying to like sweep up the glass and
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rebuild their houses after the hurricane has completely passed, the
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people who still have to live in the wreckage decades
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after the public has turned off the TV.
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Speaker 2: And honestly, it is such a profound shift in perspective
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and frankly, an incredibly overdue one for the true crime
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genre as a whole. Yeah, I agree, because society just
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spends this enormous amount of time and energy analyzing the
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mechanics of the destruction, you know, the psychology of the killer,
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the timeline, the gritty forensic.
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Speaker 1: Detail, all the stuff that gets adapted into movies.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, but we completely ignore the permanent generational alteration of
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the landscape that's left behind, the blast radius, basically.
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Speaker 1: The blast radius. That's a perfect way to put it.
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Speaker 2: That is the true cost of violence, and it's just
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it's almost never quantified in the popular narrative.
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Speaker 1: Well, the storm we are looking at today has a
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name that anyone's familiar with true crime or you know,
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nineteen eighties mafia lore, or even premium cable docs will
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recognize immediately.
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Speaker 2: Richard Koklinsky, infinously branded by the press as the.
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Speaker 1: Iceman, the Iceman and We are basing today's deep dive
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on this profoundly moving article. It was published in Rolling
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Stone on June twelfth, twenty twenty six. Written by Brenna Erlick.
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It's titled The Iceman Survivors, a serial Killer's Children Speak.
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It's a heavy read, It's incredibly heavy, and our mission
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today is very specific. We are not here to rehash
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the gory details of a famous killer's rap sheet.
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Speaker 2: Right, he doesn't need another platform, exactly.
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Speaker 1: We are not giving him yet another posthumous platform to
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brag about his exploits. The goal here is to basically
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shatter the myth. We're going to look at that massive
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blast radius you mentioned by examining the lives of his children,
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his wife, and the undercover agent who actually dedicated his
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life to catching him, Which is such.
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Speaker 2: A necessary correction to the historical record. I mean, really,
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when society turns real life, visceral violence into popcorn entertainment,
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the actual human beings who survived that violence get totally sidelined.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they become extras in their own trauma.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly it. The people who were in the room,
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the kids who lost their fathers, the cop who wore
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the wire, they get relegated to the background. So by
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focusing our lens entirely on the survivors today, his son Dwayne,
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his daughter Merrick an atf agent Dominic Polfrone, we are
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recentering the narrative on reality.
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Speaker 1: Real life, not the polished Hollywood stuff, right, rather than.
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Speaker 2: The Hollywood mythos that Koklinsky himself just works so incredibly
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hard to build.
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Speaker 1: And to understand just how suffocating that Hollywood mythos really is,
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you have to look at how it literally just walks
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right into the everyday lives of his survivors today, like
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right now, in the present moment.
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Speaker 2: That opening anecdote in the article is just it's staggering.
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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. So the Rolling Stone piece opens with this
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deeply unsettling story about Dwayne Koklinsky, Richard's youngest son. The
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scene is January of twenty twenty six. Dwayne is fifty seven.
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Speaker 3: Years old, just a regular guy, just a guy.
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Speaker 1: He's working on a loud, busy construction site. He's doing
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his job, mining his own business, and he notices a
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worker staring at him, and not just a passing glance,
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right like really studying him exactly, really eyeing him up,
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clearly trying to place his face, and finally the guy
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just walks over to Dwayne and says, you look just
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like the Iceman.
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Speaker 2: And you really have to picture Dwayne in this moment
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exactly as the author describes him. He has these piercing
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brown eyes, a neatly trimmed goatee, and a very imposing,
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solid physical frame.
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Speaker 1: He's a big guy, right.
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Speaker 2: He bears this striking, undeniable physical resemblance to his father.
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It's the kind of genetic copy paste that you just
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can't hide, no matter what heart had or a highve's
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vest you put on, you know.
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Speaker 1: So this coworker is casually comparing him to this towering,
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terrifying figure in New Jersey history, the hit Man, the
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man convicted of five brutal murderers back in nineteen.
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Speaker 2: Eighty eight, the guy who literally froze.
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Speaker 1: A body, right, the guy who earned the nickname the
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Iceman because he froze a victim's body in an industrial
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freezer for over two years just to obscure the time
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of death and confuse medical examiner.
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Speaker 2: Which is just the level of calculation is chilling.
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Speaker 1: It really is. And he was this famous theatrical Braggart.
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He's sat in front of cameras and claimed to have
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killed hundreds of people. He was literally a nightmare made
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manifest in the Tri state area. Yeah, so, the coworker
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points out this resemblance. He's probably expecting a chuckle, right,
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or like a shared joke about a crazy, macabre coincidence.
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But Dwayne just pauses his work, looks the guy dead
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in the eye, and casually replies, yeah, well that's my dad.
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Speaker 2: Oh man, you can almost hear all the oxygen just
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instantly lead that construction site.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
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Speaker 2: The coworker initially laughs, assuming it's this dead pan joke. Yeah,
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but then the laughter just abruptly dies in his throat
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when he realizes Dwayne's face is completely serious.
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Speaker 1: He's not smiling at all.
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Speaker 2: Right, he isn't smiling. The absolute reality of that statement
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just crashes down on this random guy in the middle
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of a Tuesday work day.
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Speaker 1: And here's the detail. It really got me. Dwayne tells
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the journalist later that the coworker actually came back him
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a little while later and apologize. And the reason he apologized,
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and this is a direct quote from Duwayne, was because
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he was scared. The coworker was visibly genuinely terrified to
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be standing next to him.
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Speaker 2: Let's break down the psychology of that coworker for a second,
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because his reaction is utterly fascinating and just entirely tragic.
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Speaker 1: It really is.
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Speaker 2: Why as a grown man working a blue collar job
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suddenly gripped by fear in the middle of the day.
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Look at Dwaine. He is fifty seven, He is a
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construction worker. He has never murdered anyone.
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Speaker 1: Never.
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Speaker 2: As Brenna Erlich notes in the article, when Dwayne smiles,
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he doesn't look like he is going to eat you.
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He's a normal human being. But the cultural weight of
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his father's legacy is so immense, so deeply ingrained in
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the public consciousness, that a completely innocent man is genuinely
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feared simply for sharing a genetic lineage.
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Speaker 1: I mean, think about your own life or your own workplace.
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Have you ever instantly judged someone or felt a literal
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shiver down your spine just because of a famous last
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name or a passing resemblance. Is one infamous?
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Speaker 2: It happens all the time, it does.
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Speaker 1: If Dwayne is just a guy in a hard hat
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who has never heard a fly, why the visceral fear.
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What does that say about the cultural programming of the
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true crime genre.
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Speaker 2: We've totally blurred the line completely.
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Speaker 1: We have blurred the line between a fictional movie villain
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and a real life human being. Kuklinsky has become this
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larger than life bogeyman. You know, you can walk into
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any bookstore and find paperbacks about him.
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Speaker 2: And liss internet forums too, Oh.
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Speaker 1: The forums are wild just dissecting his claims. And of
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course there is the twenty twelve feature film Michael Shannon
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playing Kuklinsky when Nona Writer as his wife. He has
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been elevated from a street level thug to the actual
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status of local folklore. I mean, the article even draws
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a direct comparison between his legend and the Jersey Devil.
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Speaker 2: And that comparison it's incredibly revealing about how society processes
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trauma at a distance. How so, well, the Jersey Devil
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is a myth, right, It's a campfire story. It's a
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cryptid designed to a list at a very safe, contained
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kind of fear. You tell the story, you get a
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little scared, and then you go to sleep knowing the monster.
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Speaker 1: Isn't real, right, it's not going to actually come through
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your window exactly.
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Speaker 2: But when society elevates a real life flesh and blood
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murderer to that exact same cryptid status, they are actively
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stripping away the grim, ugly reality of the violence. They
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replace the blood and the greathing widows with this cartoonish,
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terrifying but entertaining caricature.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, that makes so much sense.
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Speaker 2: So that coworker wasn't reacting to Dwyane the human being.
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He was reacting to the ghost of the Jersey devil
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that society has basically projected onto Dwayne's face.
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Speaker 1: And for Dwayne that means he can just never be
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an anonymous guy pouring concrete.
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Speaker 2: Never. He is perpetually a walking, breathing trigger warning for
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the public's morbid imagination.
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Speaker 1: Put yourself in his work boots for a second. Imagine
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being judged entirely, instantly by the absolute worst thing your
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parent ever did.
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Speaker 3: It's an impossible burden, it's insane.
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Speaker 1: Now imagine that worst thing was magnified, broadcast on HBO,
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adapted into Hollywood screenplays, and consumed by millions of people
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as like evening entertainment. You can never escape it. Your
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own face in the mirror is a permanent reminder of
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a horror movie that other people eat popcorn to.
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Speaker 2: That's a brutal way to put it, but it's completely accurate.
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Speaker 1: But to truly understand why Dwayne's quiet, blue collar reality
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is so far removed from that glitzy Hollywood myth, we
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really need to look at where he came from. We
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have to contrast the public perception of the glamorous, unstoppable
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iceman with the suffocating, claustrophobic reality of what it was
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actually like inside their family home.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to move from the very public, cinematic
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stage of the mafia hit man to the private, unseen
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terror behind the split level walls of suburban New Jersey.
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Speaker 1: Because the contrast is where the real horror of this
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story lives. Absolutely, it's so hard to reconcile that monster
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with the guy like mowing his lawn in the suburbs.
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Let's look at how he weaponized that normalcy. Because the
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dichotomy of Konklinsky's life in the nineteen sixties and seventies
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is just jarring.
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Speaker 2: It sounds completely fabricated, it really does.
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Speaker 1: He is living this double life. On one hand, he
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is commuting into Manhattan, he's working at a film lab
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secretly copying and selling bootleg pornographic movies. He's claiming to
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be running errands for the Gambino crime family and building
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this syndicate of street level criminal, a real underworld figure, right,
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But then he drives home. In nineteen sixty one, he
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marries a beautiful, wick, smart blonde woman named Barbara. They
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have three kids, Merrick, Kristen, and Dwayne, and they are
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living in a tidy, tan, split level home in leafy
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Accluent Dumont, New Jersey, Bergen County. Yes, this is Bergen County.
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This is wealthy, comfortable, safe spaburbia.
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Speaker 2: It's the ultimate American camouflage, Honestly. The split level home,
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the manicured lawns, the affluent neighborhood, it all provides this
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thick veneer of respectability.
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Speaker 1: It's a shield, exactly, a.
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Speaker 2: Protective shield that is entirely at odds with his actions
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in the criminal underworld. But the tragedy isn't just the
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contrast between his public crimes and his suburban address. The
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real tragedy is that the camouflage worked way too right.
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Speaker 1: Nobody knew.
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Speaker 2: The real horror was what was happening inside that split
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level home behind closed doors with the neighbors couldn't see
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a thing.
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Speaker 1: So what is actually happening inside that tanhouse? I mean,
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it is essentially a hostage situation disguised as a nineteen
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eighties family sitcom.
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Speaker 2: That's horrifying.
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Speaker 1: You're living in this wealthy neighborhood. You are presumably waving
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at the neighbors, the mailman probably knows your dog's name.
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But inside the walls, the reality is pure unadulterated terror.
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The childhood trauma detailed by his kids in this text
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is just staggering.
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Speaker 2: It's hard to read.
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Speaker 1: Dwayne the Youngest admits that he actually doesn't remember a
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lot of his early childhood, which in itself is terrifying.
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Speaker 2: Well, it is a classic trauma response, really just blocking
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it out. Yeah, absolutely, When a child's environment is consistently unbearable,
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the brain employs dissociative amnesia as a literal survival mechanism,
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really blocks out the memories to protect the psyche from
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completely shattering under the weight of the abuse.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: So the fact that Dwayne has these massive gaps in
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his memory is a testament to the severity the environment.
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But the fragments he does remember paint a devastating picture.
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Speaker 1: He remembers the violent rages, the sudden exclusive anger. He
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remembers his father just smashing things around the house. He
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remembers the family constantly trying to get him out of
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the house, like manufacturing errands or excuses just to keep
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him away from them.
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Speaker 2: Just trying to manage the threat level.
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Speaker 1: Right, there were no typical father son moments. Dwayne explicitly
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notes that they never went to a single baseball game together.
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You didn't even want to ride in a car with
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him because you never knew what would set him off.
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Speaker 2: Walking on eggshells constantly.
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Speaker 1: Worse than eggshells. Yeah, because there is this detail that
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just stopped me in my tracks. Dwayne actively stashed weapons
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around his childhood bedroom.
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Speaker 3: To protect himself from his own father.
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Speaker 1: From his own father, he kept a baseball bat leaning
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by the bedroom door, and he kept a hatchet right
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next to his bed, a hatchet just in case his
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father came for him in the middle of the night.
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Speaker 2: Let's really analyze the physiological reality of that detail, because
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it is immense. We are looking at a young child
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living in a state of chronic, unending hypervigilance.
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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine trying to sleep like that.
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Speaker 2: You can't. A home is supposed to be the one
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environment where a child's nervous system can regulate. You know,
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It's a place where they can feel safe, let their
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guard down, and simply develop normally. For Dwayne, his home
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was literally the most dangerous place on earth, and the
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apex predator he was hiding from was the man whose
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name he shared God. Sleeping with a hatchet by the
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bed means your brain is never truly resting. You are
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perpetually locked in fight or flight mode. Your cortisol levels
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are permanently spiked.
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Speaker 1: Which has to ruin your health too.
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Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely, the psychological toll of living like that for
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years rewires how you perceive trust, how you perceive safety,
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and how you engage with human connection for the rest
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of your life.
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Speaker 1: And Dwayne wasn't the only child carrying that unimaginable burden. Merrek,
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his eldest sister, took on a completely different, but equally
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devastating role in the house.
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Speaker 2: She became the caretaker.
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Speaker 1: She became the manager of her father's rage. Much of
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Koklinsky's violence was directed at their mother, Barbara, and Marek
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basically took it upon herself to try and keep.
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Speaker 3: Her mother alive, which is not a child's job.
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Speaker 1: No. She describes this routine of calling home from a
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school payphone three times a day. Imagine being a young
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girl at school. You are supposed to be worrying about
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a math test, or passing notes, or like who you
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were sitting with in the cafeteria.
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Speaker 3: Normal kid stuff, normal kid stuff.
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Speaker 1: Instead you are hoarding coins in your pocket, waiting for
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the bell to ring so you can run to a payphone,
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just to ensure your mother hasn't been beaten to death
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while you were in a homeroom.
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Speaker 2: In psychology, we call this parentification. It's when the roles
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within a family are completely reversed and the child is
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forced to act as the emotional or physical caretaker for
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their own parent.
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Speaker 1: It's just so unfair, it is.
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Speaker 2: Marek was forced to take on the responsibility of the
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physical survival of her entire family, she says in the article,
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And this quote is so revealing about her daily reality.
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She says, there's something terribly wrong with that amount of rage.
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It's just a lot of rage, an unbelievable rage, uncontrollable, unbelievable, horrible.
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Speaker 1: She just repeats it unbelievable, horrible, right.
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Speaker 2: Because she is witnessing a level of volatility that is
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entirely unpredictable. It's like living on the slope of an
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active volcano and trying to measure the tremors every.
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Speaker 1: Single day, and that volcano eventually erupts in a way
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that forces a confrontation. When Dwayne is sixteen years old,
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so this is towards the end of Kouklinsky's run. Shortly
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before his arrest, Dwayne witnesses his father violently slap his
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mother the breaking point, the breaking point, and for the
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first time in his life, Dwayne intervenes. He steps forward,
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he puts himself between them. Kuklinsky stops, he grabs his
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son's arms, looks at them, and says, I knew this
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day would come. He lets go, leaves the house and
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is arrested shortly after.
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Speaker 2: That specific confrontation is incredibly layered.
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Speaker 1: Any this day would come, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That sentence implies that Koklinsky recognized on some deep, subconscious
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level that his reign of domestic terror had an expiration date.
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He knew that eventually the son he was terrorizing would
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grow large enough and brave enough to physically challenge him.
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Speaker 1: He was waiting for it.
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Speaker 2: But the profound tragedy here is what it cost Dwayne.
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Dwayne had to sacrifice his entire childhood, living in a
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constant state of fear with a hatchet by his pillow,
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just to reach the physical maturity required to stand between
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his mother and his abuser.
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Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking, it really is. And to add to that
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psychological complexity, the trauma they experienced wasn't just a straight,
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unbroken line of constant abuse.
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Speaker 2: No abuse rarely is right.
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Speaker 1: It was confusing. It was mixed with these bizarre, fleeting
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moments of attempted normalcy. Marek shares a memory in the
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article that is just permanently etched into her brain half
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a century later. She remembers a rare, seemingly normal father
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daughter trick to the mall. Right, at the Paramus Mall,
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they went to a shoe store. They went to buy
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a new pair of Mary Jane's. He ended up buying
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her the Mary Janes and a new pair of boots,
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and they grabbed lunch together on the way home. If
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you just look at the itinerary, it sounds like a
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lovely typical suburban Saturday.
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Speaker 2: It does On the surface, it sounds like the camouflage
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working perfectly, but the internal reality of that memory is
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completely poisoned by the context of who he was. Merrick
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remembers getting the shoes, yes, but what she remembers just
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as vividly, perhaps even more so, is the physical sensation
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of clutching the door handle On the car ride home.
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Speaker 1: She was terrified, absolutely.
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Speaker 2: Terrified, every time another driver came close, every time someone
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cut them off. She braced for her father to fly
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into a homicidal fit of road rage. The material gift
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of the shoes, the boots, the Mary Janes, the lunch,
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it was entirely overshadowed by the psychological torture of the journey.
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Speaker 1: She actually tells the reporter that she loved him, but
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she would have glared badly warn the cheapest shoes in
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the world, just for one normal day, just one single
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day without that suffocating dread sitting in her.
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Speaker 2: Chest, Just one day of peace.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you hear all of this. You hear about
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the smashed furniture, the desperate payphone calls, the hatchet by
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the bed, the white knuckle car rides, And you have
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to ask yourself, how did this chaotic volatile, terrifying domestic
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abuser manage to craft this cool, calculated, unstoppable iceman persona
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that the public so eagerly consumed.
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Speaker 2: It's a huge disconnect.
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Speaker 1: How do you go from terrorizing your daughter over a
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pair of Mary Jane's to becoming a mafia legend.
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Speaker 2: This is a crucial pivot in understanding the phenomenon of
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the iceman. We have to examine how the killer actively
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manipulated his own narrative.
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Speaker 1: He wrote his own script, he really did.
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Speaker 2: We have to look at how he deliberately transitioned from
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a pathetic domestic terrorist within his own walls to a
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mythological anti hero in the public eye.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's track the claims he made over the years
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because they are objectively wild. The narrative old to crime writers,
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specifically guys like Anthony Bruno, who wrote the Definitive twenty
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twelve book. Was this incredibly cinematic, sympathetic origin story.
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Speaker 2: The story a lot of people bought into totally.
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Speaker 1: The police and the public largely accepted it at the time.
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Koklinsky claimed he was a severely abused kid growing up
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in the bleak projects of Jersey City. He said the
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other neighborhood kids relentlessly bullied him, taunting him with names
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like Hobo, Richie and Richie the Ragboy.
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Speaker 2: Painting himself as the ultimate victim.
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Speaker 1: Right, and according to Kouklinsky, this childhood torment finally pushed
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him over the edge. He claimed he murdered his very
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first victim, a childhood bully, in nineteen fifty, when he
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was just fourteen years old. He said he waited for
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the kid in an alley and beat him to death
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with a wooden closet rod.
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Speaker 2: Let's look at the structure of that story. It is
19:48
the classic comic book villain origin story, a joker or
19:52
something exactly. It is the narrative of the bullied outcast
19:55
who finally snaps, turning his victimization into ruthless, unstoppable power.
20:01
It is a narrative specifically designed to elicit a twisted
20:04
kind of sympathy, or at least a psychological understanding from
20:07
the audience.
20:08
Speaker 1: It gives him an excuse, right.
20:10
Speaker 2: It frames his extreme violence not as the sociopathic choices
20:13
of a grown adult, but as an inevitable, tragic reaction
20:16
to a cruel world. It's a way of saying, society
20:20
made me this way.
20:20
Speaker 1: But are we sure about any of this? Because from
20:22
that initial closet rod murder, the claims just get exponentially
20:26
bigger and more extravagant. Let's look at the actual, verifiable facts.
20:30
He is eventually arrested and convicted in nineteen eighty eight
20:33
for five murders, five, not one hundreds five. And I
20:36
want to put names to those victims, because that's the
20:38
whole point of what we are doing today. George Malban
20:41
in nineteen eighty, Paul Hoffman in nineteen eighty two, Gary
20:45
Smith in nineteen eighty two, Louis mas Gay in nineteen
20:49
eighty three he's the one whose body was famously frozen,
20:52
and Daniel Deppner in nineteen eighty three.
20:54
Speaker 2: Those are real people.
20:55
Speaker 1: Those are five horrific, real documented murders that destroyed five
21:00
real families. But five murders wasn't enough to secure the
21:03
legend Kuklinski one.
21:04
Speaker 2: No, it didn't fit the supervillain narrative.
21:06
Speaker 1: So between nineteen ninety two and two thousand and three,
21:08
he films three separate wildly popular HBO documentaries from inside prison,
21:13
and in these specials he is just bragging to the
21:16
cameras he claims he tortured animals as a kid. He
21:18
claims he left men tied up in caves in Pennsylvania
21:21
to be eaten alive by rats.
21:22
Speaker 2: Eaten by rats. It's just absurd.
21:24
Speaker 1: He brags about rampant, bloody road rage killings across the country,
21:28
and he confesses to murdering high ranking, famous members of
21:31
the mafia, claiming he was the ultimate mob hitman. He
21:34
basically looked straight into the camera lens, doing his absolute
21:37
best movie mobster impression and claims he killed hundreds of people.
21:40
Speaker 2: Nothing haunts me, he said.
21:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing haunts me, he says in the nineteen ninety
21:45
two special, No murders haunt me. Nothing. I don't think
21:48
about it.
21:49
Speaker 2: The bravado is staggering, but the reality, according to actual
21:52
law enforcement intelligence, is vastly different from the script he
21:55
was reading. While five murders is an absolute atrocity, criminal
22:00
profilers and task force members estimate his actual kill count
22:04
is somewhere between ten to fifteen people. Ten to fifteen,
22:07
not hundreds, Not a sprawling nationwide mafia hit squad campaign,
22:11
just a local thug pretty much. The friends psychiatrist Parkedets,
22:16
who extensively interviewed Kuklinsky for the two thousand and three
22:19
HBO doc provides a crucial analysis. Here, Deeps states definitively
22:23
that Kuklinsky was a pathological liar who could not be
22:26
taken at his word about anything regarding his criminal history.
22:29
Speaker 1: Deets gives a perfect verifiable example of this too. Kuklinsky
22:32
told the cameras this elaborate, gory story about a road
22:35
rage incident in Georgia where he supposedly killed an entire
22:39
car full of men who disrespected him. It sounded like
22:41
a scene from an action.
22:42
Speaker 2: Movie, pure Hollywood, but Deets.
22:44
Speaker 1: Actually did the legwork. He contacted the state police in Georgia,
22:48
ran the dates, ran the locations, and they had absolute
22:52
zero record of any such killing ever taking place. No bodies,
22:57
no missing persons reports matching the description. Nothing. It was
23:00
a complete top to bottom fabrication.
23:03
Speaker 2: This raises a fundamental question about the psychology of the offender.
23:07
Why does he lie so extensively, especially when he's already
23:10
caught and serving life in prison? Why bother exactly deeds
23:14
points to two main factors, profound self aggrandizement and the
23:19
utilitarian need for intimidation. Think about his environment when you
23:23
are stripped of your freedom, stripped of your suburban camouflage,
23:26
and placed in a maximum security prison environment. The only
23:29
currencies you have left to trade on are attention and fear.
23:32
And he was a big guy, massive six foot four,
23:35
two hundred and fifty pounds. He used that physical stature,
23:38
combined with his theatrical, gravelly delivery, to cultivate this aura
23:42
of untouchable menace in a prison setting. Being universally recognized
23:46
as the scariest guy in the room is a highly
23:48
effective survival tactic.
23:49
Speaker 1: Nobody's going to mess with the guy who feeds people to.
23:51
Speaker 2: Rats, exactly. But for Kuklinsky, it went beyond survival. It
23:56
was an ego feed. He embraced the role of the
24:00
supervillain with absolute zest because attention seeking was the only
24:04
form of power he had left.
24:06
Speaker 1: I really have to pause and ask our true crime
24:09
audiences basically getting scammed.
24:11
Speaker 2: In many ways.
24:12
Speaker 1: Yes, are millions of people tuning into HBO to get
24:15
duped by a guy who just wanted prison clout because
24:19
he is manipulating the public from a six x nine cell.
24:23
There is this incredible, almost darkly comedic detail in their
24:27
article from the publisher of Weird New Jersey magazine or.
24:30
Speaker 2: This Story's wild, It's so crazy.
24:32
Speaker 1: They put out a special issue about local New Jersey
24:34
heroes and villains, and of course they include a write
24:37
up on the Iceman. Someone inside the Trent And State
24:39
Prison gets a copy of the magazine shows it to Kuklinsky,
24:42
and he absolutely loves it.
24:43
Speaker 2: He is thrilled his ego was stroked.
24:45
Speaker 1: He literally makes a photocopy of the magazine article about himself,
24:49
autographs the photocopy, and mails it back to the publisher.
24:52
He's literally autographing his own myth.
24:54
Speaker 2: It is the ultimate distilled display of narcissism. He is
24:59
entirely disconnected from the reality of the pain he caused
25:01
his own family and the families of his victims. He
25:05
is solely focused on the preservation and expansion of his
25:08
own brand.
25:08
Speaker 1: His brand Wow.
25:10
Speaker 2: But what is perhaps deeply unsettling is not that a
25:13
killer lied to make himself look tough. It is how
25:16
complicit the media and the public were in helping him
25:19
build that brand. We bought it, We bought it, hook
25:21
line and sinker. We have to look at the cultural
25:24
context of the nineteen eighties and nineties. This was the
25:27
era of the mafia obsession, Goodfellas, the Godfather Legacy, the
25:32
Rise of the Sopranos. The public had a massive appetite
25:35
for mobster lore, and there was a cultural vacuum waiting
25:38
for a real life supervillain to fill it, and he
25:40
stepped right in. Koklinsky recognized that demand, and he simply
25:43
provided the supply.
25:44
Speaker 1: And the media complicity is staggering when you look back
25:47
at how the press handled his crimes in the nineteen eighties.
25:49
The Rolling Stone article points out that the local press
25:52
often treated his murders with this bizarre, almost farcical levity.
25:55
Speaker 2: Which is so disrespectful of the victims.
25:57
Speaker 1: Incredibly, For example, when he murdered Gary Smith, a real
26:01
human being whout a family and people who loved him,
26:04
Kouklinsky claimed he did it by secretly smearing cyanide inside
26:08
Smith's sandwich. When the story broke, the Daily News, a
26:12
major respected paper in New York, ran a massive front
26:16
page headline that screamed, in all caps.
26:19
Speaker 2: Burger, murder Burger.
26:21
Speaker 1: It is hard to overstate how damaging that kind of
26:24
editorial choices.
26:25
Speaker 2: It's disgusting.
26:26
Speaker 1: It reduces a brutal, calculated assassination to a catchy punchline.
26:30
It strips the victim, Gary Smith, of his humanity and
26:33
his dignity, and it turns a profound family tragedy into
26:37
a digestible, entertaining sound bite to sell papers.
26:39
Speaker 3: On a newsstand just for a few coins.
26:41
Speaker 1: When the media engages in that kind of sensationalism, they
26:44
are directly enabling the killer's narcissistic mythmaking. They are providing
26:47
the exact platform and validation that the abuser craves. They're
26:50
essentially telling him, yes, your story's entertaining, you are a star,
26:53
give us more. It's gross. It is physically revolting to
26:57
think about Gary Smith's family walking past a news stand
27:00
and seeing their loved ones murder reduced to a fast
27:03
food pun. And while the public is eating up these
27:05
headlines and the mafia folklore, the family in Dumont is
27:09
living in terror and law enforcement is putting their actual
27:13
lives on the line to stop him.
27:15
Speaker 2: Which is a whole other side to this story.
27:17
Speaker 1: Exactly, which brings us to the hunt and the immense
27:20
unseen collateral damage it caused. Taking down this mythological figure
27:25
required someone to actually step inside the monster's world, and
27:29
that carried a massive personal cost that definitely didn't make
27:32
the HBO documentary.
27:33
Speaker 2: No, they leave that part out. This is where we
27:35
shift our focus from the myth of the criminal to
27:37
the reality of the pursuit. We look at Operation Iceman,
27:41
and specifically the role of ATF special agent Dominic Polofrone.
27:45
Speaker 3: The guy who caught him, The guy who caught him.
27:47
Speaker 2: His involvement is a testament to the extreme grinding lengths
27:51
required to bring a predator like Koklinsky to justice. It
27:54
wasn't solved with a neat fingerprint or a DNA swab.
27:57
It required a total descent into his world.
28:00
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Dominic Polphrone. He is eighty years old now.
28:04
The article describes him, still sporting a leather jacket and
28:07
slipped back silver hair, looking exactly like the seasoned old
28:11
school cop.
28:12
Speaker 2: He is straight out of central casting, totally.
28:15
Speaker 1: Back in nineteen eighty five, authorities are connecting the dots.
28:18
They realize Kouklinsky is likely the very last person to
28:21
have seen at least five missing men alive. So a
28:25
joint task force forms. But Kuklinsky is paranoid and he
28:28
leaves very little traditional evidence. He's careful, very careful, So
28:32
Paulofrone is enlisted to go deep undercover. He adopts an
28:35
alias Dominic Provenzano. The backstory is that Provenzano is a
28:40
mob connected weapons and drug runner, and the commitment this
28:44
took is just staggering to think about it really is.
28:47
He spends eighteen months hanging out at a place called
28:49
The Store in Patterson, New Jersey. This was a known
28:52
gritty spot for low lifes, thieves, and hitmen to hash
28:56
out deals. Paulofrone just sat there day after day waiting
28:59
to his st aablish his reputation on the street and
29:01
make contact with the iceman.
29:03
Speaker 2: Eighteen months. Think about the psychological endurance required for that
29:06
kind of operation, I'd lose my mind. What does that
29:08
actually feel like? Day to day? For a year and
29:11
a half, Paulafrone has to wake up and live a lie.
29:15
He is constantly surrounding himself with dangerous, volatile criminals. He
29:19
is separated from his family, working impossible.
29:22
Speaker 1: Hours, constantly on edge.
29:23
Speaker 2: He has to remain hyper vigilant because he knows that
29:25
a single slip up, a single misplaced word, a slight
29:29
hesitation could expose his true identity as a federal agent
29:33
and get him killed immediately. He is swimming in the
29:36
exact same dark, violent waters as Kuklinsky, patiently waiting for.
29:40
Speaker 1: A bite, and the bite finally happens when Kuklinsky comes
29:43
looking for a very specific item his weapon of choice, cyanide.
29:47
Word gets to Kuklinsky through the grapevine that this guy
29:50
Provenzano can get it for him. This leads to what
29:53
has to be one of the most incredibly tense cat
29:55
and mouse meetings in law enforcement history.
29:57
Speaker 2: The dunkin Donuts meeting.
29:58
Speaker 1: Yes, taking place at a local dunkin Donuts. Put yourself
30:02
in that diner booth for a second. The bright, unforgiving
30:05
fluorescent lights humming overhead, the smell of cheak coffee and
30:10
old crullers and polophron is sitting across a small laminate
30:13
table from a six foot four, two hundred and fifty
30:16
pound killer who is wearing large orange sunglasses so you
30:19
can't even see where his eyes are looking.
30:21
Speaker 2: The steaks in that dunkin Donuts booth are absolute life
30:24
and death, oh completely, and Kouklinsky, being naturally paranoid and
30:29
seasoned in the underworld, doesn't just ask for the cyanide
30:31
right away. He wants to test the waters. He wants
30:33
to see if Provenzano as a cop or a real player,
30:36
so he throws out a test question instead of poison.
30:39
He asks Pauloprone if he can get his hands on cocaine.
30:42
Speaker 1: Polofron knows the game, He knows he has to play
30:45
it perfectly cool, so he adopts this street level bluster.
30:48
He tells Kouklinsky he can get a kilo of coke
30:50
for about thirty thousand.
30:52
Speaker 2: Dollars standard negotiation, right.
30:54
Speaker 1: Koklinsky immediately counters, testing him again and says, well, I
30:57
can get it for about twenty eight Zone's response. Here
31:00
is an absolute masterclass in undercover bluffing. He looks at
31:04
this giant, known murderer and says, dismissively, if you can
31:08
get it for twenty eight go with your guy, brilliant.
31:10
Koklinsky pushes back, trying to maintain control. Well, I don't
31:13
know if I can trust him. And here is where
31:15
Poulofrone risks absolutely everything. He leans in, looks Kuklinsky dead
31:20
in the eye and says, you must be an explitive jerk.
31:23
I wouldn't deal with anybody I didn't trust.
31:25
Speaker 2: Let's break down the anatomy of that bluff, because it
31:27
is a phenomenal psychological maneuver.
31:29
Speaker 3: It's so gutsy.
31:30
Speaker 2: Why call a killer a jerk to his face? If
31:33
Polofrone had been eager, if you try to negotiat the
31:36
price down or begged for the deal, Koklinsky would have
31:39
smelled a rat immediately right.
31:40
Speaker 3: Cops are eager, exactly.
31:42
Speaker 2: Cops are eager. They want to make the bust. Real
31:44
criminals are cautious, cynical, and highly protective of their margins
31:48
in their time. By insulting Koklinsky by aggressively walking away
31:52
from the deal and calling him a jerk, Polophrone asserts dominance.
31:55
He establishes absolute authenticity.
31:58
Speaker 1: He speaks his language.
31:59
Speaker 2: He speaks to Kouklinsky in the only language Kouklinsky respects aggression,
32:04
but the reaction from Kouklinsky is terrifying.
32:07
Speaker 1: Polophrone describes the immediate aftermath as the longest five seconds
32:11
you could possibly imagine. Kouklinsky turns around and hits him
32:15
with this dead eyed, unblinking glare through those orange glasses.
32:19
Speaker 2: Just staring into his soul.
32:21
Speaker 1: Poulofren said he felt like Kouklinsky was trying to reach
32:23
right into his soul, and in that five second eternity,
32:26
Polophone truly believed his cover was blown and he might
32:29
be killed right there next to the napkin dispenser. The
32:32
tension is unbearable, and then slowly Koklinsky leans back in
32:35
the booth and says, you're right.
32:37
Speaker 2: He passed the test.
32:38
Speaker 1: Wow.
32:39
Speaker 2: By showing absolutely no fear and mirroring Kouklinsky's own abrasive,
32:43
hostile reality, Polophrone cracked the armor. That single interaction, that
32:48
incredible display of nerve, paved the way for the climax
32:52
of the entire operation.
32:53
Speaker 1: Which happens at the Vince Lombardi service station right off
32:56
the New Jersey Turnpike. Over a series of meetings there,
32:59
Polofrone is where a wire and he gets Kouklinsky to
33:02
confess to everything on tape. He gets it all the murders,
33:05
freezing Louis Musque's body to fool, the corner, the cyanide
33:08
and the sandwiches, the strangulations. He gets all the brutal
33:12
details straight from the horse's mouth. This mountain of audio
33:15
evidence culminates in a massive, dramatic arrest on December seventeenth, nineteen.
33:20
Speaker 2: Eighty six right at his house.
33:22
Speaker 1: They take him down right in front of his tidy,
33:24
split level home in Dumont, with his wife Barbara sitting
33:27
right next to him in the passenger seat of the car.
33:29
It is a massive, historic victory for law enforcement. But
33:33
then the Rolling Stone article forces us to pivot to
33:36
the tragedy of it all. Paulopron is incredibly pride he
33:40
caught him, but the toll it took on his own
33:42
life is immense.
33:43
Speaker 2: And this is the collateral damage we almost never discuss
33:46
in true crime narratives.
33:47
Speaker 1: We just want the happy ending, right, the.
33:49
Speaker 2: Heroic cop gets his man. The credits roll, But Paulophron
33:53
says in the article, I missed a lot with the
33:55
kids growing up. You can't get that back. It's a
33:57
full time case. In order to save society from a
34:00
monster who was actively destroying families, Paul Throne was forced
34:03
to sacrifice precious, irretrievable years with his own family.
34:07
Speaker 1: He missed everything.
34:09
Speaker 2: He missed the birthdays, the baseball games, the quiet evenings
34:12
at home. The heroism of the arrest is undeniable, but
34:15
it is heavily shadowed by profound personal loss. The blast
34:20
radius of Richard Kuklinsky didn't just hit his victims and
34:23
his children. It extended out and hit the agent who
34:26
locked him up.
34:27
Speaker 1: Which brings us to what I think is the most
34:29
unsettling part of this entire deep dive. It is the
34:32
part that points the finger directly at us, the audience,
34:36
not Kouklinsky, not the unerkreubled talks us, the audience, the
34:40
consumers of this media. We have to ask, how do
34:43
we treat these real tragedies Because the bizarre fan culture
34:46
surrounding Koukolinsky today is deeply, deeply disturbing.
34:49
Speaker 2: It forces us to confront a very uncomfortable ethical dilemma
34:53
at the heart of true crime fandom. When does a
34:55
legitimate interest in the psychology of crime or the mechanics
34:59
of justice cross the line into the dark, twisted veneration
35:02
of a killer.
35:03
Speaker 1: Well, listen to this reality. Dwyane, the son who literally
35:06
slipped with a hatchet to survive this man's rage, says
35:08
he currently has between four hundred and five hundred friend
35:11
requests sitting in his Facebook in box from random strangers
35:13
who idolizes Dad.
35:15
Speaker 2: That is sickening.
35:16
Speaker 1: Let that sink in for a moment. Hundreds of people
35:18
reaching out to the victim of severe child abuse, to
35:21
fanboy over his abuser. They treat Kuklinsky like he is
35:25
a real life Tony Soprano, a cool, untouchable anti hero.
35:30
Dwayne is just an absolute disbelief over it. He asked
35:33
the reporter, why would you want that to be your
35:35
role model? And it gets worse, and honestly, it gets worse.
35:38
Agent Paulofrone, the federal agent who risked his life to
35:41
stop the murders, actually receives hate mail from these fans.
35:45
They write letters to an eighty year old man and
35:47
tell him that he should have been killed instead of
35:49
arresting Kouklinsky because Kuklinsky was a good guy who only
35:53
killed bad people.
35:54
Speaker 2: It is a stunning display of cognitive dissonance and moral inversion.
35:58
Speaker 1: Seriously, what is run with people?
35:59
Speaker 2: These fans are so deeply emotionally invested in the cinematic
36:03
myth of the cool hit man, the myths that Kuklinski
36:06
himself built and the media propagated yea, that they actively
36:09
resent the reality that interrupted it. They prefer the movie exactly.
36:13
They are treating real, visceral violence, violence that left real
36:17
bodies and oil drums and traumatized real children, as if
36:21
it were a fictional movie where the actors just go
36:24
home to their trailers after the director yells cut. When
36:27
fans attack the police officer for arresting the murderer, they're
36:31
demonstrating that their allegiance is entirely to the entertainment value
36:35
of the villain, not to justice, and certainly not to
36:38
human life.
36:39
Speaker 1: And the author of Rolling Stone article, Brenna Erlick, does
36:41
this brilliant, transparent meta commentary right in the middle of
36:45
her own piece. She's actively wrestling with this exact ethical issue.
36:49
As she writes. She mentions that early in the year,
36:52
an immersive serial killer exhibit opened up, offering a VR
36:55
investigation that places you at the crime scene.
36:58
Speaker 2: Ugh VR crime scenes.
36:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, center the link, assuming she'd love it because she
37:01
writes about crime. She declined. But while reporting the specific story,
37:05
while trying her best to focus entirely on the victims
37:08
and the survivors, she receives an email from a victim's
37:11
family member, and the family member feels completely revictimized by
37:14
her reaching out for an interview.
37:16
Speaker 2: Because to them, it's all the same machine exactly.
37:19
Speaker 1: To them, the journal is trying to write a nuanced,
37:22
corrective piece looks exactly the same as the people building
37:26
the gross exploitative VR exhibits. They accuse her of profiting
37:30
off their family's pain.
37:31
Speaker 2: That is a devastating, sobering critique for any journalist to receive,
37:36
and it really highlights the impossible tightrope of reporting on
37:40
historical trauma.
37:41
Speaker 1: You can't win.
37:42
Speaker 2: Eric actually writes that she strongly considered dropping the story
37:45
entirely after receiving that email. She realizes that the very
37:49
act of bringing Kuklinski's name back into the public sphere,
37:53
even if her explicit goal is to criticize his myth
37:55
and center the victims, inevitably causes fresh pain to the
37:59
people who lost love ones to him. It is a paradoxical.
38:02
Speaker 1: Loop, right, You cannot correct the myth without saying the
38:04
killer's name, but saying the killer's name inherently causes harm.
38:08
I really want us to debate this ethical not because
38:11
it is so tangled. Let's say Erlik drops the piece
38:14
if she is worried about revictimizing people. Isn't writing the
38:18
article still feeding the true crime machine just by us
38:21
having this deep dive right now, aren't we giving his
38:23
name more oxygen in the algorithm?
38:25
Speaker 2: It's a valid question.
38:27
Speaker 1: But on the flip side, and this is what I
38:28
struggle with. If we don't tell the stories of people
38:30
like Dwayne and Merrick and Agent Polofrone, doesn't the killer's fictionalized,
38:36
brag heavy legend become the absolute only history we remember.
38:40
If good ethical journalists walk away from the subject, the
38:44
only narrative left behind is the nineteen ninety two HBO
38:47
documentary where he falsely claims he's a mafia god. Don't
38:50
we have an obligation to set the record straight?
38:52
Speaker 2: That is precisely the tension at the heart of historical
38:55
record keeping. If you choose silence to avoid causing offense
38:58
or pain, you effectively to render the historical record to
39:01
the abusers' lives.
39:02
Speaker 1: You let them win, you do.
39:04
Speaker 2: The only counter narrative to Kuklinsky's self aggrandizing myth is
39:08
the painful, unglamorous, factual truth of his survivors. But telling
39:13
that truth demands reopening old wounds. There is simply no clean,
39:18
painless way to engage with this material.
39:20
Speaker 1: It's just messy.
39:21
Speaker 2: As the article notes, for the families of the victims.
39:23
There's very little information out there in the world about
39:26
their fathers or brothers that isn't entirely defined by their
39:29
horrific deaths. Their loved ones have been reduced to mere
39:32
plot points in Kuklinsky's story. The journalistic attempt to reclaim
39:36
that narrative is noble, but the process of reclamation is
39:39
inherently painful for those involved.
39:41
Speaker 1: Which perfectly transitions us into looking at how these survivors
39:44
are actually living today, decades after the arrest. How do
39:47
you actually heal from being at the epicenter of this.
39:50
Speaker 3: Kind of destruction.
39:50
Speaker 2: It's not a straight line.
39:52
Speaker 1: No, because the answer provided by Dwayne and Merrick in
39:54
the text is messy. It's imperfect, but it is ultimately deeply,
39:59
deeply human.
40:00
Speaker 2: Healing is rarely the linear, triumphant, cinematic journey we wanted
40:04
to be. Often it is just about finding a pragmatic
40:08
way to carry the weight without letting it crush you completely.
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Speaker 1: We see a stark contrast in how the two siblings,
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Dwayne and Merrick, have navigated their adulthoods in the shadow
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of the iceman. Let's look at Dwayne first. He is
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very honest, He admits to having what he calls his
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lost years in his twenties. He was a self described
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high school burnout. He struggled, and he ended up getting
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arrested at age twenty.
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Speaker 3: Seven, which is completely understandable given.
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Speaker 1: His childhood, given the hatchet and the beatings. You would
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entirely understand if he blamed his father for every single
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mistake he ever made in his life, But he explicitly,
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forcefully refuses to do that. He tells the reporter, how
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much do you take responsibility for your own actions?
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Speaker 2: That statement is a remarkable demonstration of resilience and personal agency.
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Speaker 3: He owns his stuff, He really does.
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Speaker 2: Dwayne is actively rejecting the victim narrative. He acknowledges the horrific, abusive,
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and vice he was raised in, but he refuses to
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let it serve as a permanent excuse for his own
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behavior as an adult. He's drawing a hard, bright line
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between his father's sins and his own choices.
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Speaker 1: And his ultimate redemption. The thing that finally grounds him
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comes twelve years ago, with the birth of his own son.
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Dwayne says that holding his son for the first time
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changed his entire world because it was the first time
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in his life that something was more important to him
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than himself.
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Speaker 2: That's beautiful.
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Speaker 1: He straightened his life out, committed to his construction work,
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and built a stable, quiet life. But the most powerful thing,
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he says, the quote that defines his victory is this,
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My biggest failure in life would be if my son
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feared me because I feared my father, and I would
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never want that.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: His victory isn't writing a tell all book or becoming
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rich or famous. His victory is simply ensuring that the
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cycle of terror stops with him. His son does not
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fear him. He won.
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Speaker 2: It is a quiet, profound, generational victory. He took the
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trauma he inherited and deliberately refused to pass it down.
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But we have to contrast that clean, decisive break with
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his sister Merrick's experience, which illustrates a much more complicated,
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unresolved form of grief.
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Speaker 1: Marrek's reality is jarring in a completely different way. The
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article describes her as a proud mother and grandmother. She
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has bright blonde hair. She is very friendly, very welcoming,
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but she keeps her father's ashes in a gray marble
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urn right.
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Speaker 3: On her mantelpiece on the mantelpiece.
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Speaker 1: The man who terrorized her mother, the man whose violent
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rages made her call home three times a day from
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a school payphone, the man who murdered at least a
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dozen people and destroyed countless families. His ashes are sitting
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in a gray urn in her living room.
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Speaker 2: It's hard to wrap your head around.
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Speaker 1: And when the reporter asks her why she keeps them,
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her answer is crushingly simple. No one else wanted them,
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even her mother. Barbara, requested that when she dies, her
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ashes must be kept in a completely different room from Richard's.
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Speaker 2: That image, the gray marble urn sitting on the mantlepiece
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of a friendly sixty one year old grandmother is the
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visual embodiment of complex trauma.
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Speaker 1: It really is.
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Speaker 2: She says in the piece that she was the only
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one who loved him. It highlights the deeply confusing, contradictory
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nature of abusive parental relationships. He was a monster, yes,
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but he was also the man who bought her boots
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and Mary Jane's at the Paramus Mall.
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Speaker 1: He was still her dad, right.
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Speaker 2: A child's biological imperative is to seek attachment to their parent,
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even when that parent is demonstrably dangerous. Marek is holding
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onto the ashes not to honor the killer, but perhaps
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because she is still on some deeply ingrained psychological level,
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the little girl trying to appease her volatile father, trying
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to manage the situation and keep the peace because no
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one else wanted them.
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Speaker 1: Marek sums up her internal life with a quote that
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I think about constantly now. She says, it's an ongoing nightmare.
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No one would know seeing me. I'm very friendly. I
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can keep all of this in my filing cabinet, in
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my brain filing cabinet. So often in our culture, we
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think trauma has to look like a cinematic breakdown or
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someone crying in a corner. But sometimes, maybe most of
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the time, crama looks exactly like a friendly grandmother with
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a tidy house who just happens to keep the ashes
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of a notorious serial killer on her mantlepiece because he
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was still dad.
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Speaker 2: And that connects directly back to the core theme of
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this entire discussion. The true crime entertainment machine, whether it's
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a podcast or a movie, demands a satisfying conclusion. A
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gavel begging loudly in a court room, a dramatic arrest
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at a Turnpike service station, or a death in a
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prison hospital in two thousand and six. The neat ending right,
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the credits roll, the music swells, and the audience feels
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a sense of closure. But for the survivors, real life
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continues for decades in these quiet, painful, incredibly complex ways.
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There is no need episodic conclusion. For Merrick, or for Dwayne,
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or for the families of the victims. There is just
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the long, ongoing, untelevised process of living in the aftermath.
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Speaker 1: Which brings us to the core takeaway from today's deep dive.
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The true crime genre loves a neat, terrifying villain and
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a heroic, cinematic takedown. It sells books, it drives millions
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of clicks. It inspires Hollywood casting.
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Speaker 2: It's an industry.
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Speaker 1: It is an industry. But the reality of Richard Kouklinsky,
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when you strip away the mobster cossplay, the orange sunglasses
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and the prison bragging, is just a wake of profound,
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senseless destruction. He tore apart the families of his victims,
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He deeply traumatized his own children, to the court where
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his son slept with a hatchet, and he demanded immense,
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life altering sacrifice from the law enforcement officers who had
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to give up their own families to catch him.
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Speaker 2: The myth of the iceman is a lie we tell
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ourselves to make the violence entertaining. The reality is the
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blast radius. It is the collateral damage that spans generations
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and alters lives forever.
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Speaker 1: Think back to that hurricane analogy from the very beginning
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of our conversation. For the last hour, we haven't been
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watching the spectacular storm footage on the news. We've been
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walking through the quiet wreckage. We've met the people who
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survived the winds and are still trying to put the
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pieces of their lives.
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Speaker 3: Back together, the survivors.
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Speaker 1: And as we wrap up, I want to leave you
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with the final though, building on that VR serial killer
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exhibit mentioned in the article, the next time you queue
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up a true crime documentary, or scroll past a meme
46:08
about a famous killer, or hear someone raving about a
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mobster movie based on real events, ask yourself whose story
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is missing from this narrative. Are we accidentally cheering for
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the monster while completely ignoring the people who are still
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quietly sweeping up the glass