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7/1/26: Leaked Oct 7 Hannibal Directive Tapes, Colombian Elections, Major New Brain Discovery · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Saga and Crystal here.
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  Speaker 4: Let's talk about Israel.
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  Speaker 5: Ryan a new video from October seventh, including this Bankavir
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  Speaker 5: right right.
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  Speaker 6: Ben Gvier is showing up in this video, and we'll
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  Speaker 6: kind of read some of the because it's it's in Hebrew.
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  Speaker 6: So there's a documentary crew who's or news crew who's
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  Speaker 6: in there filming on the morning of October seventh, as
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  Speaker 6: the army is putting together its plan for a counter
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  Speaker 6: attack and for the then and then a counter attack.
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  Speaker 6: So let's let's roll this and then we can kind
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  Speaker 6: of read it for you right now, one person says,
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  Speaker 6: I would bomb the entire Gaza border, hit them with
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  Speaker 6: a blow so they'd have a real problem. It looks
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  Speaker 6: like they're on it. Somebody else says, I wrote this
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  Speaker 6: to a mirror. They're not even getting fighter helicopters. I said,
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  Speaker 6: no on Gaza, break it all apart, along with the
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  Speaker 6: soldiers who were abducted like that. That and the helicopters
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  Speaker 6: were then were dispatched, and you see a lot of
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  Speaker 6: the result of what those helicopters did. And then Ben
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  Speaker 6: Giverer comes in and says, wait, wait are you filming me?
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  Speaker 6: You could film when I give you permission, So they
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  Speaker 6: that's that's when they.
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  Speaker 7: Shut that down.
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  Speaker 6: We know we have other evidence of there being hostage
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  Speaker 6: situations in a kibbutz where they just with a tank
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  Speaker 6: shell everyone in there killing, killing the Israelis and inside
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  Speaker 6: as well, there's all these you know, infamous photos of
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  Speaker 6: cars that have uh that were fleeing the the.
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  Speaker 7: Nova rave just completely burnt to a crisp.
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  Speaker 6: And we also know that the Palle Stadium fighters came
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  Speaker 6: across the border with you know, a K forty seven's yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: not the kind of thing that could torch like an
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  Speaker 6: entire row of cars, like there was shelling in the morning,
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  Speaker 6: some shelling from gods that could could if you if
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  Speaker 6: a shell directly hits a car, okay, but an entire
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  Speaker 6: highway filled with cars, and there has been some footage
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  Speaker 6: of from the from the apaches of them hitting hitting cars. Unsure,
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  Speaker 6: unsure whether or not there were hostages inside.
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  Speaker 5: I thought the government actually admitted or seated that in
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  Speaker 5: a small way.
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  Speaker 6: So in a small way, now we have this footage
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  Speaker 6: of them basically saying, just do it and if you
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  Speaker 6: and if you hit the people who these Raelis were abducted.
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  Speaker 7: That's the part of it.
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  Speaker 6: This is the so called Hannibal doctrine, which says that it's.
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  Speaker 4: Better explain that because that's what's saying that.
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  Speaker 6: The Hannibal doctrine says that if there is a potential
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  Speaker 6: of a hostage situation or a prisoner of war situation,
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  Speaker 6: that it is better to kill all the Palestinians and
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  Speaker 6: the Israeli they're trying to take hostage, then get into
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  Speaker 6: a place where you're negotiating a prisoner exchange. So it
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  Speaker 6: is more important, according to this doctrine, for the Israeli,
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  Speaker 6: the Israelis to continue to hold men, women and children
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  Speaker 6: in administrative detention in torturous conditions than it is to
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  Speaker 6: let an Israeli live, and then enter into negotiations in
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  Speaker 6: which some of those people that you're holding without charge
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  Speaker 6: and torturing on a daily basis are released.
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  Speaker 4: And this is of course, as Israeli.
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  Speaker 7: Elections are twenty sixteen, they said they were no longer
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  Speaker 7: that the Handibal doctument. It's too is bad, We're not
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  Speaker 7: doing that. It's terrible. Clearly they're still doing it.
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  Speaker 5: And again we're coming up on three years since October seventh.
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  Speaker 5: Then now that there's an election around the corner in Israel,
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  Speaker 5: I don't think it's I would be surprised if it
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  Speaker 5: was coincidence this was dropping at that this time, wonder right,
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  Speaker 5: because I mean Natanya, whose coalition is that including Ben
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  Speaker 5: Gavir and Smotritz and the like, is one of the
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  Speaker 5: biggest complaints about nt YAHOO, and so it seems like
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  Speaker 5: that would be timed in a particular way to.
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  Speaker 4: Hurt the election.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know what.
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  Speaker 4: I would imagine this will this will.
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  Speaker 6: You would hope, you would hope there are people on
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  Speaker 6: the Israeli right who support this policy.
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  Speaker 4: Certainly.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I mean Nashanya, who has a lot to
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  Speaker 5: answer for on October.
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  Speaker 6: Seventh, right, Yes, focus on October seventh is not great
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  Speaker 6: for him period, not not whatsoever.
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  Speaker 5: Meanwhile, Ryan's eager to get your take on this because
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  Speaker 5: the publisher over at drop site has been informed she's
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  Speaker 5: no longer a member of the Committee to Protect Journalists.
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  Speaker 5: We can put the next element up on the screen,
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  Speaker 5: and a lot of this is going once again right
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  Speaker 5: back to Israel, Palestine.
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  Speaker 4: What the heck is happening here?
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  Speaker 7: So the.
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  Speaker 6: CPJA is under has been under a lot of pressure
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  Speaker 6: to redo the way that it counts journalists who've been
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  Speaker 6: killed in Gaza by Israel, and so there was this
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  Speaker 6: internal debate over how they're going to do this, and
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  Speaker 6: at the core of the core of the debate is
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  Speaker 6: what about a journalist forever. The way that CPJ has
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  Speaker 6: done it, and they're more restrictive than other organizations, has
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  Speaker 6: been to say what you do is what matters. If
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  Speaker 6: you are performing journalism, you're not fighting, you have a
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  Speaker 6: video camera, you have pen and paper, you're writing or
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  Speaker 6: producing video for a news outlet or for freelance, you're
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  Speaker 6: a journalist.
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  Speaker 7: And if and we are.
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  Speaker 6: The Committee to Protect Journalists, and we are here to
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  Speaker 6: protect you. What Israel has been arguing is that there
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  Speaker 6: are certain news organizations that are linked to what they
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  Speaker 6: say are terror groups and what the US and Israel
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  Speaker 6: designated is terror groups. So pretty much every pretty much
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  Speaker 6: every political faction in Gaza is designated as a terror
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  Speaker 6: group by either Israel or the United States or both.
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  Speaker 6: And pretty much every party has a news affiliate, just
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  Speaker 6: like Israel has state media. Israel has Israeli Army Radio,
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  Speaker 6: which is has employs a lot of journalists. The BBC
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  Speaker 6: is owned by the UK. There's NPR and PPS, but
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  Speaker 6: I guess that's there's state money going. Maybe the federal
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  Speaker 6: government doesn't fund them as much as they did, but
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  Speaker 6: you get the idea. There's RT for instance Russia today,
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  Speaker 6: there's fun fund of it. There's Turkish state media.
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  Speaker 7: Like the idea.
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  Speaker 6: Of state media or affiliated media is a is a
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  Speaker 6: very common thing, and so organizations like CPJ have always
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  Speaker 6: drawn a very bright line that have said just because
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  Speaker 6: you have a problem with Turkey, or with Britain, or
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  Speaker 6: with the United States or with Israel, does not mean
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  Speaker 6: you have license to kill a journalist who works for
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  Speaker 6: an affiliate of the of the British government or the
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  Speaker 6: American government is Raetly government or or Hamas, or Palestinian
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  Speaker 6: is lama Jahad or PFLP or like Palestine today, like
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  Speaker 6: just because you write for a news organization that is
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  Speaker 6: affiliated with Palstini is lama Jahad or in Southern I'm
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  Speaker 6: going you recently had several journalists that were killed because
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  Speaker 6: they said, well, you're working with You're working for a
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  Speaker 6: news organization that's affiliated with hesbelow or has sympathies with Hesbelo. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: And the distinction has always been no, if you're a journalist,
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  Speaker 6: doesn't matter if you work for RT. Like Ukraine, for instance,
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  Speaker 6: would not be allowed to kill a journalist for RT
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  Speaker 6: simply because they work for RT. You can disagree with that,
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  Speaker 6: and Ukraine might try to kill them. But if you're
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  Speaker 6: the Committee to Protect Journalists, your job is to protect
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  Speaker 6: the journalists, not to defend what they say. Who they
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  Speaker 6: say it on behalf of whether or not there their
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  Speaker 6: columns that they write are are good or fair or
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  Speaker 6: even accurate like that. It's not for CpG, it's determine.
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  Speaker 7: It's like it's that was it the Voltaire quote?
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  Speaker 6: You know, I don't agree with what you say, but
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  Speaker 6: I'll defend your right to say it. But applied to journalists,
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  Speaker 6: I don't. And so what they're what what Israel's saying? No, No,
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  Speaker 6: if they're affiliated with any of these terrorist organizations that
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  Speaker 6: we call terrorist organizations.
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  Speaker 4: Non state that's what they would say.
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  Speaker 5: It's different than Russia, Ukraine, it's a non state terrorist.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I think Ukraine would say it's not like that.
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  Speaker 6: They consider Russia to be terrorists, right, So why should
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  Speaker 6: then Russian journalists be, which.
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  Speaker 4: Is what's harry about CpG then.
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  Speaker 7: And the other.
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  Speaker 6: Nika made the point in internally.
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  Speaker 7: That the a n C was considered considered a terror group.
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  Speaker 6: The African National Congress, Nelson Mandela's group was designated a
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  Speaker 6: terrorist group until like two thousand and eight or something like.
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  Speaker 6: And of course they had a journalist, they had a
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  Speaker 6: media wing.
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  Speaker 7: So if the.
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  Speaker 6: You know, white South Africans considered Nelson Mandela's organization to
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  Speaker 6: be a non state terror group, should they then be
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  Speaker 6: able to kill journalists like bombajournalists ten and kill everyone
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  Speaker 6: in it because there's one person that writes for the
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  Speaker 6: a n C linked organization. The civilized world has settled
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  Speaker 6: this question with a resounding no, no, we're not doing this.
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  Speaker 6: And so now there's real pressure on CPJ. Nika asked
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  Speaker 6: for a vote on this internally, that's uh. And then
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  Speaker 6: they responded by saying, oh, by the way, we have
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  Speaker 6: your term is up, and she's like, well, I resign
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  Speaker 6: and protests anyway.
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  Speaker 7: Convenience can't can't fire me.
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  Speaker 6: I quit right right, So, you know, and good for
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  Speaker 6: Nica for you know, standing up for the kind of
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  Speaker 6: essence of what CPJ is supposed to do protect. It's
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  Speaker 6: in the name, it's a committee to protect journalists.
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  Speaker 5: And as we can put what Middle East Monitor is
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  Speaker 5: reporting here, this is going to be yeah, D three.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: This comes obviously as they report Israel has killed more
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  Speaker 5: journalists than any other modern conflict. And I think that
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  Speaker 5: is a reference to CPJ's numbers. I think that's per CpG.
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  Speaker 6: They have actually lower numbers than some of some other
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  Speaker 6: organizations because they have a tighter they have a tighter definition.
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  Speaker 6: You've also now, if now, if somebody wants to say
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  Speaker 6: this particular journalist was actually a fighter and they want
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  Speaker 6: to present evidence to that, okay, fine, present which they
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  Speaker 6: have in in case, and then go ahead and present
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  Speaker 6: that go ahead and present that evidence is that's different
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  Speaker 6: than saying all journalists who work for any news organization
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  Speaker 6: that's affiliated with somebody you don't like are fair game
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  Speaker 6: to be killed. Some people have responded by posting photos
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  Speaker 6: of Israeli journalists sitting on tanks, wearing military uniforms, holding weapons,
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  Speaker 6: because almost every Israeli journalist has served in the idea
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  Speaker 6: of at some point. Some are in in the reserves
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  Speaker 6: as they're doing it, and others have on air participated
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  Speaker 6: in firing weapons and detonating civilian homes, like they'll film
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  Speaker 6: themselves like pressing the button.
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  Speaker 7: And the contrast between that.
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  Speaker 6: And what they then accused the Palestinians of is so stark.
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  Speaker 6: There's also something about there's also a dehumanizing element to it.
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  Speaker 6: Like one of the journalists that they killed, who was
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  Speaker 6: legendary journalists for twenty plus years, he visited a a
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  Speaker 6: I think it was a Hamas kind of training camp,
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  Speaker 6: and with a bunch of other journalists reported on it
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  Speaker 6: and while there took some photographs like with the Bazuka.
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  Speaker 6: That's the kind of thing that every American journalist when
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  Speaker 6: they go to visit a military base they do that
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  Speaker 6: go look at any American journalists like Twitter.
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  Speaker 7: Basically they'll like sit on a tank.
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  Speaker 6: They'll like pose with the soldiers, like it's almost childish,
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  Speaker 6: like they think it's kind of cute and cool to
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  Speaker 6: like get these little souvenir photos of themselves, like sitting
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  Speaker 6: on a tank. But we understand, because we understand that
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  Speaker 6: they're human, that that's that's just what it was. They
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  Speaker 6: were in their journalistic capacity, they were visiting an American
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  Speaker 6: military base, took a picture.
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  Speaker 7: On a tank.
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  Speaker 6: That does that. That does not make them a tank commander.
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  Speaker 6: But because we don't see Palastinians as fully human, we
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  Speaker 6: just see this flat portrait. If we see a Palestinian
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  Speaker 6: on a tank, or we see a Palscinian holding a weapon,
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  Speaker 6: we say, oh, terrorist, obviously terrorist. Doesn't matter when they
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  Speaker 6: held it, why they held it, what's going on Because
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  Speaker 6: there's no full portrait of the person as a person.
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  Speaker 6: It's just oh, Palstinian, probably a terrorist. Oh now we
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  Speaker 6: have a picture of them with a gun, and then
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  Speaker 6: you'll have these like Aton Fishberger and others like we'll
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  Speaker 6: post that picture of the person on Twitter until they
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  Speaker 6: are hunted and killed with just completely decontextualized and then
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  Speaker 6: when they're hunted and killed, they'll repost that phone and
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  Speaker 6: be like, look we got we got another terrorist.
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  Speaker 7: It's like you, no, you didn't.
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  Speaker 6: You killed an unarmed civilian journalist who at one point
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  Speaker 6: in his life was neuro weapon.
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  Speaker 7: That's all.
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  Speaker 5: Of course, it's been hard for us to even know
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  Speaker 5: what's happening in Gaza because the journalists that are there,
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  Speaker 5: people are observing it there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, of course.
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  Speaker 6: And it's the goal for us to not know what's
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  Speaker 6: what's being done.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, at this point, unfathomable lack of access.
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  Speaker 5: That's also inexplicable from just a if you really cared
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  Speaker 5: about people having the ability to document and observe and
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  Speaker 5: see what's happening on the ground because you think it
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  Speaker 5: suits your purposes, you think it makes your argument look correct,
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  Speaker 5: then this decision makes no sense.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Well, let's move to Columbia Ryan, where one d Vide
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  Speaker 5: Rojas is reporting. We're joined once again by one David Rojas.
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  Speaker 5: He has a columnist at unheard as am I, by
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  Speaker 5: the way, so that's a fun little unheard reunion here.
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  Speaker 5: One David Rojas, thank you for joining us from Bogota,
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  Speaker 5: where you have been covering the Colombian election, although we
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  Speaker 5: just asked you what the vibe is like in Bogata
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  Speaker 5: and you said World Cup.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, a lot of excitement about all the games. Everyone
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  Speaker 8: watchs in every single game, so it's exciting.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sure it is electric down there now. Gusava
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  Speaker 5: Petro obviously is on his way out in early August.
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  Speaker 5: August seventh, here's just a little clip of Gusava Petro
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  Speaker 5: from recent days. He's let's just put this. I'm just
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  Speaker 5: gonna roll it.
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  Speaker 4: Let's let's roll this. This is e one. There he is.
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  Speaker 4: You can see him looking like.
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  Speaker 5: Well, he's a rapper, I guess Ryan, which is oddly
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  Speaker 5: appropriate because the man who's going to be replacing him,
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  Speaker 5: Abbalardo de la Espriea, has some of his own music
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  Speaker 5: videos that we would be remiss if we also show.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is two.
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  Speaker 5: You can see the new incoming Colombian president who defeated
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  Speaker 5: Petro's would be air in his own music video, looking
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  Speaker 5: as Colombian is I think a person can look as
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  Speaker 5: fair to say so, Juan da vide Rojas, what the
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  Speaker 5: hell is going on?
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  Speaker 4: Petro?
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  Speaker 5: Obviously, Petro's party obviously loses De las Brio, now referred
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  Speaker 5: to as the Colombian Bukele, who also has I think
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  Speaker 5: a pretty interesting Malay streak tossed into the Bukele streak.
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  Speaker 4: What is going on in Colombia?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, so Columbia just had its presidential runoff like a
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  Speaker 8: week ago and it was the closest election in Colombian history.
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  Speaker 8: The difference between both candidates was about two hundred thousand votes,
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  Speaker 8: and de las Vieja narrowly defeated the governing party candidate,
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  Speaker 8: Evan sib close ally of Petron. Oh boy, yeah, where
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  Speaker 8: does star with this guy? In a way. Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 8: kind of a right wing version of Petro. He's really eccentric.
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  Speaker 8: He's actually they're both from the Columbia's Caribbean coast. This guy,
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  Speaker 8: you know where to start, Like he's a mob lawyer.
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  Speaker 8: He made millions representing like drug dealing, dealing right wing
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  Speaker 8: Narco paramilitaries, Maduro loyalist businessman Alex Saab, who was extradited
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  Speaker 8: to the US a month ago in May, and former
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  Speaker 8: president I Actually he represented the leader of the auc paramilitaries,
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  Speaker 8: said Mancuso, who said that him and i Lado were
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  Speaker 8: childhood friends. He was also extradited to the US and
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  Speaker 8: served time abroad. So yeah, this guy, like, you know,
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  Speaker 8: I've compared him. He's clearly taken influences from three people, Trump, Milay,
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  Speaker 8: and Bukele. So with Bukeal, it's like his appearance, the
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  Speaker 8: tough on crime stuff. You know, crime is a serious
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  Speaker 8: problem in Columbia. From Trump, like the fact that he's
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  Speaker 8: an outsider businessman. He says, as soon as he's sworn
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  Speaker 8: into office, he's gonna you know, you know, put it has.
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  Speaker 8: He has a raft of executive orders that he's gonna
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  Speaker 8: put through to like deregulate and like privatize a bunch
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  Speaker 8: of stuff. But from me, Lay, I think he's most
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  Speaker 8: similar to me Lay because just like Melay, before he
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  Speaker 8: ran for president, he was like an elite libertarian. He's
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  Speaker 8: very socially progressive on a lot of issues. His favor
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  Speaker 8: of abortion used in Asia adoption for same sex couples.
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  Speaker 8: He was an open atheist. But then you know, he
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  Speaker 8: had to conservatize himself because that only appeals to like,
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  Speaker 8: you know, a narrow slice of the population. So like
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  Speaker 8: now he's like an ultra Catholic Colombian patriot. His slogan
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  Speaker 8: was firm for the homeland, which is kind of farcical.
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  Speaker 8: He's a tri citizen of Italy, the US and Colombian,
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  Speaker 8: hasn't lived hasn't lived in Columbia for the past ten years,
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  Speaker 8: so it's it's pretty sad.
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  Speaker 6: Then his wife says something like the best part about
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: this is if we lose, we just go back to
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: Miami exactly.
• 19:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah, if they lose, they can go back to their
• 19:05
  Speaker 8: mansions in Florence and Miami. He loves Trump. He said
• 19:09
  Speaker 8: that he donated Marii Avidas campaign, the Miami representative, and
• 19:14
  Speaker 8: he says he's a registered Republican in the US had
• 19:16
  Speaker 8: voted for Trump. So it's like, wow, this is this
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: is a lot. I've called him literally a US asset.
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: So right, So okay, so how on earth do if
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: you're the Colombian left you lose to this guy? And
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: compare it to the Moranum Party, Compare it to the
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: Mexican left, which is dominant, which has one, you know,
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: huge swass of the middle class over to its over
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: to its side. Claudia Scheinbaum's popularity, you know, stratospheric. Why
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: is she doing so well compared to the Columbian left
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: which lost to a gangster's attorney from South Florida.
• 19:56
  Speaker 8: Perfect question. It's gonna take me a while to get through.
• 19:59
  Speaker 8: So I will say, like Petro did a lot of
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: things that I think were objectively really good, and they're
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: similar to what Amlo and Shinbam did. He raised the
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: minimum wage around like forty percent in real terms. Actually
• 20:11
  Speaker 8: this year, in nominal terms, the minimum wages raised twenty
• 20:14
  Speaker 8: three percent, the most for a single year in Colombia's history,
• 20:17
  Speaker 8: and this created a panic from the media the opposition
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: that this would spike inflation and create unemployment. None of
• 20:23
  Speaker 8: that happened, and Petro was actually due to leave office
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: as the most popular Colombian president since you with his
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: approval writing it was like close to fifty percent. Now,
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: admittedly there's like a low bar, pretty low bar for
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: recent Colombian presidents. He passed the labor reform, or reduced
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: the work week to forty two hours from like forty six.
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: Workers also have like more overtime like before, Like would
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: you cut that so that like on holidays you only
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: got like seventy percent as opposed to like one hundred
• 20:50
  Speaker 8: percent of overtime. There's an agrarian reform to like restore
• 20:56
  Speaker 8: land lost to people from the armed conflict were displaced
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: by violence. I interviewed a guy who clips were posted
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: for drop site this Petro support was a former soldier actually,
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: and he said that his hometown in rural Columbia had
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: really been transformed by Petro's government, which I found really inspiring.
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: So that's the good. What's the bad. Well, we'll start
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: with security. I like to make a difference. They're related,
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: but there's a difference between like common crime, you know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: just like muggings, burglary, cel phone theft, stuff like that,
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: and like big cities and like organized crime dealing with
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: like these militarized cartels, insurgent groups, right wing paramilitaries in
• 21:37
  Speaker 8: the countryside and so on, like the common crime front.
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: Petro like really came at this from like a progressive
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: like criminal justice reform ideal, which I think is a
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: little dumb. Like he condemned building prisons because he didn't
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: want to perpetuate mass incarceration, and it's like, dude, you're
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: the president of the you know, the Land of Pablo,
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: for the love of God, you need to throw you know,
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: criminals in jail. There was this youth influencer Westcode who
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: asked him and they las Brieta, Hey, if like a
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: you know, criminal broke into your house, would you do.
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: Petro gave this long philosophical answer that you know, criminals
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: are victims of society and you know he has a
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: family like whatever. The Las Piedia was just like do
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: with him as us te fit. So it's like anyway
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: on on like organized crime. H he had this interesting
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: idea I supported at the time. I just think the
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: execution was terrible. Total peace which was the you know,
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: the government would negotiate peace deals or terms of surrender
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: with multiple arm groups at the same time the e
• 22:40
  Speaker 8: L n uh fark dissidents offshoots of the AUC and
• 22:45
  Speaker 8: there were a lot of problems with this. The follow
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: through really wasn't there a lot of these armed groups
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: like just kind of took advantage of the government to
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: fortify themselves and sat Baila actually was the architect of
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: this policy and unfortunate like on the campaign, like you know,
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: he was like, I'm the peace candidate, I will never
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: say no to peace, which is fine, but you know
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: he never said like if he'd really make any changes
• 23:09
  Speaker 8: to the policy, take a harder line with some of
• 23:11
  Speaker 8: these groups that really haven't shown an interest towards peace,
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: like the ELM. And then the other important thing, in
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: my opinion is on energy. Petro is what I call
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: a climate fundamentalist. He thinks that, you know, we have
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: twelve years to save the planet, and so he completely
• 23:27
  Speaker 8: destroyed the state owned oil company Eco Petro, which is
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: the number of the largest company, the single largest company
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: in the country, with the largest union too. And I've
• 23:38
  Speaker 8: argued this actually caused like stagflation. In his first few years,
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: there was really high inflation and really low economic growth.
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: You know, it would make sense because there is a
• 23:48
  Speaker 8: huge driver of growth in the country. Around half of
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: government revenues come from the oil sector, and Petro just
• 23:58
  Speaker 8: said there will be no more oil exploration. He put
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: a bunch of like climate academics and like degrowth types,
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: this super corrupt crony as the head of the Eco
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: Petro's board. And so this was just a complete disaster.
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: I talked to like one taxi driver who was like,
• 24:16
  Speaker 8: he's destroying the jewel of the republic, and it's like, dude,
• 24:19
  Speaker 8: you're a leftist. You're supposed to defend state companies, not
• 24:23
  Speaker 8: destroy them. And so that's a really important difference with
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: like Mexico. You look at like what I'm loo and
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: shinebam I've done. Claudia is a climate scientist and she's
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: actually expanding fracking inside of Mexico to show up the
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: country's energy sovereigntry. Petros called that a crime against humanity,
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: but look like the data is in, it's been You know,
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: there's a lot of fears about water, understandably so, but
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: if you do things correctly, a contamination of water tends
• 24:50
  Speaker 8: to be pretty minimal. It's just a lot of like
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: environmental propaganda in my opinion. So another thing of this
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: is the last thing, Shane bar I'm actually Inner Security
• 25:01
  Speaker 8: Minister of hard Foods. They've taken a really aggressive policy
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: against crime has gone up a ton.
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: Let's get let's get that crime in a second.
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: Let's get to get to that in one mon when
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: don't it so unpack what you said about the the
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: energy policy. So what is what was the effect of
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: Mexican energy policy on what you know, middle class and
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: working people in Mexico paid for energy, And what was
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: the effect in Columbia of Petro's energy policies on what
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: people people they're paid, because I think that that's what
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: probably matters to people in the end is what they're
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: what they're seeing kind of flow out of their their accounts.
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly. I mean, you know, there were points during
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: Omlo's term where like there were Americans going to Mexico
• 25:47
  Speaker 8: to fill up across the border because it was cheaper
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: over there. And uh like Mexico used to import all
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: of its gasoline from the US. That's actually gone down
• 25:55
  Speaker 8: to ton like fifty Unfortunately, uh natural gas around three
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: fourths of Mexico's natural gas still comes from Texas, and
• 26:03
  Speaker 8: that's a big reason to expand fracking, you know. And
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: and Shanebom says she wants to do that responsibly, which
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: I load. But in Columbia, on the other hand, like
• 26:13
  Speaker 8: you know, gas prices have gone through the roof. And look,
• 26:17
  Speaker 8: I believe in climate change. I think that an energy
• 26:19
  Speaker 8: transition is important, and I think that's good. It's good
• 26:22
  Speaker 8: that Petro has you know, invested in like solar panels
• 26:25
  Speaker 8: and stuff like that, but it can't come at the
• 26:27
  Speaker 8: expense of workers. And so I would just say that,
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: you know, both sides of the political spectrum, especially in
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: the US, don't demonize a particular like energy source, don't
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: demonize renewables. I think what like the Republicans did with
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: the IRA was completely dumb, especially after like invading Iran
• 26:44
  Speaker 8: at the same time, like, don't demonize fossil fuels and
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: like try to shut down pipelines. We need energy, period,
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: And I think about this holistically.
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: So what happened in Columbia, like to energy prices, Yeah.
• 26:57
  Speaker 8: That's another thing. Petro like he restored them towards the
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: end of this term, but you also cut like energy subsidies,
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: so gas prices shot up. He actually said something like, oh,
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: the poor don't drive, so what does this matter? And
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: you know, there's this there's this thinking that it's like
• 27:13
  Speaker 8: if you make like driving more expensive, then people will
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: be forced to like buy electric vehicles. There's some truth
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: to that, but you also cause a lot of pain
• 27:21
  Speaker 8: to people.
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: So it feels like similar to the mistake that McCrone
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: made in France that a yellow ves protest where they
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: were they kind of led with lead with the climate
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: and told people to kind of suck it up for
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: the for a good purpose saving the planet, you know,
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: saving you know, the place that humanity will needs to thrive.
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: But in the short term, I think most people, as
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: the Yellows protest and other protests around the world showed,
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: people don't necessarily believe I think that you're actually saving
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: the planet. They think people are just getting richer with
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: the money that you're the extra money that you're spending
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: on energy prices.
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: So is that to you? Is that how significant.
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: A distinction between Mexican left wing success and Colombian left
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: wing failure? Is it to say that under the Mexican
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: left they drove down, they made things more affordable for people,
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: and Petro, at least in some circumstances did not.
• 28:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's absolutely correct. It's undeniable. I mean, actually,
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: you look at like energy prices overall, for instance, like
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: for homes, and they've been pretty stable in Mexico, which
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: is rather remarkable.
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: Okay, so then you wanted to talk about the crime
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: difference between kind of Mexico and Colombia.
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: So when I cut you off, go ahead, Well.
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: On security, Yeah, Claudia and she has the superstar. They're
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: calling him Batman. It's funny. In Mexico, they're like selling
• 28:58
  Speaker 8: towels with like, oh my god, such's likeness. On like
• 29:02
  Speaker 8: these shirtless muscular bodies that they like sell dolls of him.
• 29:07
  Speaker 8: He's actually talked about as a contender for Mexico's next president.
• 29:11
  Speaker 8: Is extremely competent, probably the best security minister that Mexico's
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: ever had. And I mean Mexico's homicide rate has gone
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: a ton, but not just that, like the Mexico's incarceration rate.
• 29:23
  Speaker 8: The country's prison population has gone up a ton. And
• 29:26
  Speaker 8: to quote a mutual friend of ours who will remain anonymous,
• 29:31
  Speaker 8: the problem is, like the progressive method just it doesn't work.
• 29:35
  Speaker 8: Incarcerating people if it's of criminals, like you know, not
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: of minor offensives, but like actual criminals is a good thing.
• 29:41
  Speaker 8: And so in my opinion at least, and you actually
• 29:45
  Speaker 8: see there there's a there's a progressive opposition party in
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: Mexico and they criticize the government a lot because they
• 29:52
  Speaker 8: think that, you know, they've gone too hard on crime.
• 29:55
  Speaker 8: If you can.
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: Believe that, no I can believe that. So what has
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: been politically? How is that party fared with that criticism?
• 30:04
  Speaker 8: You know, the Mexican opposition, they're really screwed because it's
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: just kind of this octopus that's extremely incoherent there's a
• 30:12
  Speaker 8: there's may say Antos, which I just mentioned, there's the
• 30:15
  Speaker 8: right wing Bond and there's like the centrist uh PRI
• 30:19
  Speaker 8: and so like the Bond wants to go even harder
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: on crime, MC wants to go softer on crime. The
• 30:25
  Speaker 8: PRE is just corrupt and so they don't really know
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: what to do. They're really in a in a difficult bind.
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: And that also helps the the governing coalition a lot.
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: All Right, Wanda vid Rojas, always always a pleasure to
• 30:38
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• 30:51
  Speaker 4: Thanks, We'll take anyone last thing I'll say really quick.
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: This guy he's certainly fail similar like with think on
• 31:00
  Speaker 8: like energy on the left and stuff like that with progressives.
• 31:03
  Speaker 8: He's completely behold in the like market fundamentalism. He wants
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: to like privatize most state companies who knows, maybe even
• 31:10
  Speaker 8: Echo Petro and like fire forty percent of state employees.
• 31:13
  Speaker 8: This is going to lead to mass protests in a
• 31:15
  Speaker 8: few months. How do I know this because this is
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: exactly what's happening in all the other right wing.
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: Governed countries, and in the meantime, US tax payer money
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: will be bailing him out, and US oligarchs will capitalize
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: on the privatization of those assets. So thanks want to
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: be well for telling us what both is happening and
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: what will happen exactly.
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: All right, talk to you later.
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: I don't really know how to describe this segment that
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: we're about to do, other than that it might change
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: the way that you think about a lot of different things.
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, let's go with that.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: This is Pete Rangram.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: Like if you look at the bottom bar today, it
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: says mk ultra hannibal brains.
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: So joining us is Shalenbot from Georgetown Medical School. I
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: you did two years in medical school since then even
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: taken a couple of years off because of the discovery
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: that you made as a medical student, which was just
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: now published in what is it, the Journal of.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Cellular and Molecular Neurobiology, and Ryan.
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: Reads every day I read I'm thumbing through this and like,
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: this is fascinating stuff, but it's shaking up our understanding.
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: I think of the way that the brain interacts with
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: the rest of the body and has some interesting raises
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: interesting questions about Western versus Eastern medicine, even that you
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: may have that some of the things that you've discovered
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: may actually suggest that those the Easterners might have been
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: onto something more than we thought. And then they've been
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: doing it for thousands of years, not because they're crazy,
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: like maybe we're the crazy ones.
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: So, first of all, welcome.
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: I know you've you've been watching the show for a
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: long time, and we've been communicating for a couple of
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: years now, because when you first discovered this, you reached.
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: Out, You're like, you know, I complete what I've found.
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: I'm like, I've doesn't make a lot of sense to
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: Maybe you've successfully explained it, I think over the years.
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: But so it's a pleasure to have you on here.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on. Yeah.
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so you've you brought some props too, Yeah, I have.
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: So what I found fascinating was that, for the most part,
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: science medic and medicine kind of believes they've discovered everything.
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: About the body that there is to be discovered. Yeah,
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: you found out that that's not exactly true.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So the thing is is that a lot of
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: what Western medicine is. Bilton is at least in the
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: anatomical sense. It's what a lot of anatomis did like
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: way back in the day, right, like especially like in Europe,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: you know, where they just had the cadavers out onto
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: tables and they just dissected. And so for the longest time,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: we just kind of thought, like, we know what's in there.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: You know, people have gone through everything, you would think, so, yeah,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: you would think, you would think, I don't know. I
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: just I have a tendency for like hyper curiosity. I
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: guess someon would call it. And so when I was
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: in I guess my first two years in medical school,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: I was a TA in the anatomy lab. Right, so
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: there's a bunch of cadavers, but we use the term
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: like donors just to you know, be respectful. There's a
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: bunch of donors, like already in the anatomy lab. And
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: so something that was really interesting. One of my buddies
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: actually showed me a paper and it was a discovery
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I think in I want to say twenty twenty four
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: January twenty twenty four, and it was in rats they
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: found this drain that sits like right behind your nose
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: and it drains cerebrospinal fluid, which is just the juice
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: that your brain sits in. But it doesn't drain it
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: into blood, which is like the you know, the notion
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: that medicine is kind of built on. It actually drains
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: into these other vessels that are called lymphatic vessels.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: And so they thought it drained into blood. Yeah right,
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: you it was found in the rats, is that it
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: was draining into lymphatic vessels exactly, right, So the that's significant.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, And so the idea is is like, oh,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: like medicine's built on this idea that there's no quote
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: unquote lymphatic connection to the central nervous system. And so yeah,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: that's where I kind of all started from that paper.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm really interested in this. My friend
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: was like, but you can't find it, and like, you know,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: we're just like went on from there.
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: So this gets into the autoimmune world.
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: So what's what's the lymphatic Like describe for us, what's
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: the lymphatic system and what is its relevance to how
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: our body functions?
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah? The long story short, I would say, is that
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: it's just like immunology, right, like it's where your immune
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: cells travel, right, Like I would say, like if from
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: your immune cells like had some kind of freeway to
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: hop on to get from one point to the audience Jones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: they would, Yeah, they would use the lymphatic system. And
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: you know, the lymphatic system has a bunch of connections
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: to a bunch of you know, different organs, Like you're
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: blean your gut, that's probably a significant one, like gut
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: associated lymphatic tissue GAULT for short. You know, the potential
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: idea of like immune connections from your gut to your brain,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: the gut brain axis. You know, all these like kind
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: of emerging ideas might be related to this.
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: And so your buddy says, Okay, we found in rats
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: that the brain is draining to the lymphatic system. Yeah,
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: I bet you can't find it in human sure.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And so you took that challenge.
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: You took that challenge. So, like how did you go
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: about looking Yeah?
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: So it started off. You know, there was a lot
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: of like trial and error kind of ways to look
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: for exactly like you know, is this connection real or not?
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of like research, like background research you
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: have to do online to see like all right, what
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: did these anatomists do back in the day, Like what
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: kind of methods you know, can we do? Basically, the
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: long story short is like after a bunch of trial
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: and error and like a lot of help from peers
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: and a lot of help from like like mentors, you know,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: we developed this like dissection protocol that really just boils
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: down to like die and hydrogen peroxide. You know. The
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: there was this idea that like, oh, you can't inject
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: stuff into formal and fixed donors because I'm sorry, you
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: can't inject stuff into emphatics in formal and fixed donors
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: because the vessels are like super tight. But we just
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: used hydrogen peroxide because it like bubbles, right, So it
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: just like opens up the vessel a little bit and
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: let the dye kind of just like travel up to
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: the brain and see like all right, where is it going?
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: But you held like the bodies like upside down a
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: little bit.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Like there's a there was like a block underneath the thorax, right,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: and so like once that injection's in the head's like
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: kind of back a little bit. So the dye just
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: like travels back. You just you know, leave the die
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: overnight kind of thing, and it just like gravity does
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: all the work, if that makes sense.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: Obvious question, But why hadn't anyone else probe that potential
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: connection before? And what response did you get as you said, well,
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: we're going to look into this.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really good question. So I think it's
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: too There's two kinds of aspects to this, right. One,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: these vessels are like super tiny, right, like if we
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: were to operate on them in real life, like literally
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: that is called microsurgery, right, And I just I don't know,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I like dissecting small stuff, right, and so among us right,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so I think that's the first thing, right,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: is that like when you're like looking at stuff in
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: a human body, Right, there's really small vessels and there's
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: stuff that you can miss, right, that's surrounded in this
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: like adhesive tissue called fashion. That's like a word that's
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: thrown around a lot. I feel like what was the
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: second part of your question?
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: Just what response did you get as you said, I'm
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: looking into this, Because what's interesting to me about that
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: is there was this sense that we knew it wasn't
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: we don't know what we don't know. It was that
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: we kind of thought we knew how something.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Worked, and you said, well, actually maybe it's different.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think, yeah, there's two different responses, right.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: I think people who are interested in this area they
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: found it like extremely interesting, right, They were like, oh wow,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: this is this is like really interesting stuff and like,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's kind of like an emerging space, right,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: So people are like excited about it. So that was
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: on one hand. On I guess, like another hand, probably
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of like people being like, I don't know,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: maybe this med student's getting a little too excited, which
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: is like reasonable, I am pretty excited about this stuff, right,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to deny that, but you know, there's
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: always and this is something I'm still learning, like right,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: like to not like overclaim anything and stuff like that,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: and so like I don't know, at someone at my age,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: when you're like, oh I think I found something, it's
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: like is this kid okay? Like we don't, like we
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: don't really know, and yeah.
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: So yeah, so you've got some you got some props
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: here for us, Yeah, I do.
• 39:53
  Speaker 8: So.
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: Originally people believed that the blood drained into the it's
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: the real fluid into the blood into blood vessels, yeah,
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: which has particular implications for how we treat all sorts
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: of brain related and immune you know, immuno related disorders. Yeah,
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: now you find out that's not true that it drains
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: into the lymphatic system, Like what Yeah, is there a
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: way to like demonstrate this with what you brought in?
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: And like, then what does it tell us about medicine
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: in the body that what possibility does this open up
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: for people with autoimmune disorders?
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Sure?
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah, or Alzheimer's or anything else?
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Sure yeah. Yeah. So the first thing is that, uh,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: you know, this entire kind of I don't know a bit. Uh,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: it's still like like CSF still drains into blood, right.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: This idea that I introduced called the cerebral hypothesis. Right,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: it has this idea of like CSF not only drains
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: into blood, but it's blood and lymph and there's probably
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: different diferent functionalities, right, like like the drain like one
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: one set of pipes is for one day and one
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: set of pipes is for another thing.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I introduced a hypothesis in the discussion of
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: this paper, and it's called the cerebral and hypothesis, And
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: it's just essentially like the anatomical network of where CSF
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: is produced all the way to draining out into the body. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: So go ahead up said again, so you just so
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: what's the hypothesis.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: So the hypothesis is called the cerebral and hypothesis. The
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: it's basically an anatomical framework for where CSF is produced. Right.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: So it's actually this thing right here, right, So this
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: is the ventricular system. Uh, It's produced in the chloroid plexus,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: which is this like little red streak. Right, So there's one,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: there's there's right here, and then there's like right here,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: and then right here and then down here, right. So
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: CSF is produced there and this is essentially like the
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: deepest part of your brain.
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: And this looks like a struck, sure, but realistically it's
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: not like it's it's walls of a pocket of juice. Right.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: So it's produced here, then it exits kind of down
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: here where we call the median and lateral apertures. That's
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: just a fancy term for holes.
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: So from the holes, it goes into the space that's
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: like around here, right, and that's called the subarachnoid space.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: And where does that map onto the.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is actually where it drains after the subarachnoids.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: On the head towards the bottom. Yeah, okay, so that
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: makes sense.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the significance is that before it before
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: the CSF exits here and then you know, drains into here.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: It goes through this system that was recently discovered by
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: doctor Mike and Nttergard. And this is this system is
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: called the glomphatic system, and the glomphatic system essentially just
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: cleans your brain. It like runs through your brain and
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: cleans the entire thing. And then this is what drains it. Okay, right,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: and the like the pictures that I sent right, like
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: the pictures of the fountain.
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: Right, Oh yeah, let's put that up.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So this is just cup one, right, and then
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: it exits into cup two, right, which is the subarach
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: space and lymphatic system, and then the Maningoo lymphatic vessels,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: which is also a recent discovery. That's that's this prop right,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: this prop that is just like an open head. And
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: then the stuff that we found in anatomy lab is
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: the fourth one, the nerve adjacent lymphatic vessels exiting foramena,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: we didn't show any proof of like CSF exiting right,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: So this is literally just a hypothesis. But from there
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: you have your peripheral lymphatic circulation, which is like all
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: that stuff I was talking about earlier, like your gut
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: associated lymphatic tissue and whatnot.
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, into Ryan's question about how this might open
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: up frontier for autoimmune treatment.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: What is that going forward?
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: What were we doing that might change whether it's you
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: were talking about Alzheimer's as well.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Alzheimer's is probably the biggest one. So Alzheimer's is
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: built on the amyloid and like Tao hypotheses, right, And
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: these are been hypotheses for decades and a lot of
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: like the infrastructure you know, for research is kind of
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: built around these things. The thing about amyloid and taw
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: is that they describe the protein build up that occurs
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: in your brain. Right, So they just describe like this
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: protein that just like appears in your brain and then
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: causes the neurodegeneration.
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: That's their theory.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right. So that a lot of money has
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: been you know, going into that, A lot of money
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: has been like poured into that. The thing about I
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: guess those hypotheses is that they explain the proteins really well, right,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: And it's like there's been a lot of really great
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: work that's been done about Alzheimer's. The issue is is
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: that there's there's there's not a lot being talked about
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: the flow of those proteins and like the drainage of
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: those proteins, and the idea of introducing something like cerebral
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: lymph is if we look at both the protein build
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: up and the drainage system, we might be able to
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: get somewhere closer to Alzheimer's, like something crazy like plastic
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: surgeons doing surgeries for Alzheimer's in the neck.
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: Right, But is that just because there's it's traveling in
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: different pathways.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Effectively exactly right, and it's just like improving that kind
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: of like connection, Like that's the dream essentially, you know,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: is that for something like that to be a possibility
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: one day?
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: So how does something like acupuncture fit into this?
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really good question. So acupuncture is really
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: interesting and I think I think it's kind of emerging too.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: A lot of the stuff we do is like we
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: look at like traditional practices and then we just like
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: validate them even though people knew about them, you know,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: for a long time. But there's two really interesting peer
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: review studies, one about like acupuncture helping long COVID patients,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: and long COVID has a lot to do with like,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: you know, brain stuff, right, and it also coincidentally it
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: helps with like things like lymphiedema and like the brain
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: fog that comes up like during lymphiedema. So there you
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: have like two completely different things, right, like long COVID
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: and limphiedema, right, which is just like your limbs like
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: swelling up because you're not getting good drainage. But it
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: kind of goes back into the hypothesis of like, all right,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: maybe there's just like a build up in this like fountain.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if the zign makes sense.
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you know, Eastern medicine is always
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: talking about the bodies flow. Yeah, exactly right, and you're
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: like you're like, actually, quite literally, this stuff is needs
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: to flow, and if it's not flowing, that could be
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: producing the brain fog.
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: And and also like Alzheimer's just like an extreme form
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: of brain fog.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like protein just building up, right, It's like
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: the sink the saying is probably just clogged.
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: So yeah, so then the idea would that be, so
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: acupuncture and others like somehow it works to like help
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: unclog the sink. But then Western medicine could come in
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: and say, well, here's how we're going to brute force
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: clean this.
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: Think like, so, what what.
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: Are the potential Oh yeah, I see is that could
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: come around?
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: I think I think realistically it's like you know sometimes
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: in life when uh, you know, people have already gone
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: to a certain point where it's like, all right, this
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: protein's like building up. Right, These like Western interventions are
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: really important, right, really important to make sure that like
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: all right, like we got to fix your drainage, we
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: got to fix whatever is going on, right, But there's
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: something to be said about maybe a lot of these
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: practices maybe preventative. Right, Like we talk about things like
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: exercise and exercise and like good diet, right, Like obviously
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: that's good for you, right, But maybe the reason that
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: they're good for you is something about improving flow. You know.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's just.
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: A hypothesis, like if you keep the body in motion, yeah,
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: and you know, you keep your nutrition.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: It's like if you if you let's say, for example,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: if you exercise, you're literally getting your blood pumping, right,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: and then you know if we put that fountain back
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: on them.
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: Like the reflecting pool, right, Like you need to keep
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: the water circulating to prevent the algae bloom.
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: Right, you throw that one back on that, that little fountain.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: This is the algae bloom.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: If you're exercising, right then, like that's good for cup two, right,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: because you're getting blood flow into your brain, so it's
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: like your your heart rate's going up, you're cleaning more
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: of your your perivascular space, which is just like the
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: space that's right next to the blood vessels.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: The whole the whole point of it is like saying like, okay,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: well exercise improves flow. Meditation, for example, increases flow in
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: cup two, perhaps, right, meditation that Yeah, it's a really
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: good question. I don't know except I saw a paper
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: on it. Okay, but it does yeah, yeah, mindfulness meditation,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: it does increase. It does increase like the flow of
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: like cup to from from my understanding, I could be
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: wrong on that, but yeah, but yeah, it's it's.
• 49:15
  Speaker 7: Just you get things moving.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you just get a lot.
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: A lot of people will say that they just they
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: feel better if they have worked out that day, and
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: some people say, well, it's the endorphins or whatever, but
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: what you're saying is that it could also just be
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: the general your body is just getting cleaned, cleaning itself out.
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like this, this less cluttered.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Right, This flow mechanism is literally like cleaning your brain out, right.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: And so a lot of what you know, uh medicine
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: has been built on and it's don't get me wrong,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: it's incredible work, right, but it's been very neuron only right,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: like neuronal focus, right. And I guess what all you
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: mean by that? Like, I guess what I mean is
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: like when you picture a neuron, you picture like the
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: electrical currents of a cell, right, like you picture you
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: just picture like the electricity, right, all these like networks,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: these neural networks, but none of this is really neural networks.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: This is like the structure. Yeah, Like this is all
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: just like flow right like, and it's flow that has
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: This is i think, for the first time, giving flow
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: like way more defined structure than it has in the past.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Instead of just saying, oh, there's a pool of pool
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: of csf right that your brain just sits in, this
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: is more saying like, this is a flow that starts
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: here and ends here, and I don't know, let's see
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: if it's right or not.
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: Does this raise any questions about consciousness or any new
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: frontiers in that question of what it means to be
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: consciously thinking?
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: So consciousness is really interesting because a lot of what
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: consciousness sciences is built on neural networks, right, and like
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: it makes sense. I actually published a theory a couple
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: of months ago. Right, It's like it's such a it's
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: like a long name that I kind of laugh at now.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: But it's called glimpho vasomotor field theory GVF for short, Right,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: I just say GVF. I look back at that, I'm like,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I wish I don't know if I wish I had
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: named it that. But GVF theory is essentially just a
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: theory that you can, like, people can read it if
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: they're interested in it.
• 51:08
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: But the long story short on that theory is that
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: when you have fluid flowing that has ions in it, right,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: those ions will make a current.
• 51:19
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: And this is just like outside of you know, outside
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: of brain stuff.
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: So all this is really saying, all the GVF theory
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: is really saying is that if you're having ions in CSF, right,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: and that CSF has a structured flow, then maybe maybe
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: there's an electromagnetic field, right, and maybe those fields affect
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: the neurons maybe. Right, it's just like a theory slash hypothesis, right,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Like who knows.
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: And that could be the production of consciousness.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Potentially it could affect it, right, it could scaffold it. It
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: could scaffold those like neural networks, right, because they sit
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: right next to each other, right, like all these drainage systems,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: like they all sit very like close to each other.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: And that's what EMF is measuring.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, I'm not sure.
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, how does that interact with artificial intelligence?
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a really good question. So this
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: is something I could go on, you know, hours about this. Right,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: artificial intelligence is neural networks at that's all like artificial
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: intelligence is, right, it's neural networks that are learning and
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: building on themselves. Right. There's ongoing debates about whether or
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: not AI is conscious or not, Like we have no
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: idea and some people say that AI is conscious and
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: then other people say AI isn't conscious. This framework, I think,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: if validated, right, would be a significant step in saying
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: that AI probably will not be conscious, right, because consciousness
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: is more than just neural networks, right, Like, there's there's
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: an inherent flow that is present in our bodies, right
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: that not just you know, humans have like all the
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: biology has, right that I can't really replicate, you know.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: So I would say that's probably the biggest thing.
• 53:14
  Speaker 6: Why couldn't it replicate it with some type of fluid
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: that has electro.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: Rock in here and then some.
• 53:23
  Speaker 6: Synthesis, some ionic intervention.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: That's a question for people. I have no idea.
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: I mean, at the end of the day, it would
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: still be I suppose a like a synthetic version if
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: you if you like, tried to recreate a human network.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: It's a good conundrum, though. Yeah, it's a it's an
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: interesting I see what you're saying, Like it is. It's
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: a fascinating like what if? But I don't know, it's
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: also kind of scary. So I don't know, Maybe maybe
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: we shouldn't talk about it.
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: And so so what are the have you talked anybody
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: yet who is exploring how to take this discovery and
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: turn it towards therapies for anything long covid Alzheimer's Yeah,
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: like autism anything.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Sure, Like science is like science is a relatively slow institution,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: you know, and I don't know, the reality of my
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: situation is like now that this is kind of all
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: published and wrapped up, I have to like be a
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: medical student, you know, like I have to study for
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: boards and like do things like that.
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: Right you start in the in the fall again with your.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: March March, Yeah, sorry, March, So like, you know, realistically,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: what I'm hoping is that this now that this paper
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: is published, and people can you know, see the hypothesis
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: the like scientific community, can you know see like whether
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: or not this is like a reasonable thing, and then
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: and then go from there. I think ideally though, the
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: the in the perfect kind of world, you know, scientists
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: look at this, and clinicians and physicians look at this
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: and kind of a new emerging space like comes out
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: of it. That would be like, you know, the dream.
• 55:12
  Speaker 6: It seems like it might Have you heard from Huberman
• 55:16
  Speaker 6: or any of the other popularizers of this kind of thing, No.
• 55:20
  Speaker 7: No, no, maybe maybe he watches let's see watching. We'll
• 55:25
  Speaker 7: connect him.
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: We really, we really appreciate you coming in here. And
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: I all started because you were emailing back and forth
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: with Brian.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah right. I appreciate you guys having me and like
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: just being able to share all this because I think
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, this stuff is it's
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: really important, I think, but it's also kind of slow,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: you know, and so it's like one of those things
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: where like to have you know, people out there care
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: about this, it's it means a lot.
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: I think it also brings people to trust, like medicine science.
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: When you're here explaining to us how you arrived from
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: shore at a point b like, it's it's super interesting,
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: and I think it gives people an insight into the process.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: That means a lot. Yeah, that really means a lot.
• 56:02
  Speaker 7: Thank you, Well, thanks for coming Yeah, well thanks for
• 56:03
  Speaker 7: coming by.
• 56:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah all right, and we'll in our newsletter, which everybody
• 56:07
  Speaker 6: should sign up for at Breakingpoints dot Com will put
• 56:09
  Speaker 6: links to the paper. But also the more digestible for
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: a lay audience. Was is a neuro daily.
• 56:17
  Speaker 7: I think it's.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Called yeah, Daily Neuron.
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: But Daily Neuron wille that article regular, yes, reading it,
• 56:24
  Speaker 6: reading it every day obviously and well so yeah, fascinating
• 56:28
  Speaker 6: stuff and we're gonna we'll keep up with this because
• 56:30
  Speaker 6: I hope that I hope that some money starts flowing
• 56:34
  Speaker 6: to this, to this area, because there seems to be
• 56:37
  Speaker 6: it seems to be ripe for you know, serious breakthroughs.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: I you know that's the dream.
• 56:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm getting old, so hurry up.
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: Well, thank you for joining us.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: We appreciate it, of course. Yeah, thank you for having me.
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: That does it for us. On today's edition of Breaking Points, Ryan.
• 56:56
  Speaker 7: It was of the show.
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: We went on a journey.
• 57:01
  Speaker 7: We did indeed.
• 57:02
  Speaker 6: All right, Well, crystalin soccer back tomorrow or are you
• 57:04
  Speaker 6: in Emily? Crystal Emily tomorrow? What do you guys call that?
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: It's the gardening Show, the Garden of the show, going.
• 57:11
  Speaker 7: Back for the gardening Show. I guess I'll see you
• 57:13
  Speaker 7: guys on Friday.
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: Sounds good to see you guys then