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M&M Extra For 05.06.25 - The Passing of Ted Turner · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 3: And so it get to be comfortable and relaxed. Because Mark,
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  Speaker 3: It's it's different here at the podcast space, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: It's out back steakhouse, no rules, just right, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the blooming onion of the podcast space. And here we
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  Speaker 2: are with with because I mean, just sitting here right now,
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  Speaker 2: I kind of know I want to dwell on a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of the riffing that you I've both done
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  Speaker 2: already this morning about the ascendancy of Marco Rubio. I
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  Speaker 2: know we need to talk about the passing of the
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  Speaker 2: iconic Ted Turner, who has been in our lives. If
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  Speaker 2: you don't think Ted Turner has shaped your media life
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  Speaker 2: or your sports life, you just got to really appreciate
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  Speaker 2: that he has passed away today at the age of
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  Speaker 2: eighty seven. Thank god, a Texas Jerry gave the death
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  Speaker 2: penalty to the case you've covered nationally on the death
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  Speaker 2: of the little girl Athenis Strand. So I know that's
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  Speaker 2: some of what I want to get to, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't know to what extent we will or what other
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  Speaker 2: things we will, And if we don't get to something,
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  Speaker 2: there's always another days it is. It's just liberating, man,
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  Speaker 2: it's so fun.
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  Speaker 3: It just feels like we're on constant on the playground,
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  Speaker 3: just having so much fun. Let's just take a moment
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  Speaker 3: and talk about the death penalty that this guy received yesterday,
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  Speaker 3: the killer of Athena Strand. I always waste time asking
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  Speaker 3: why you and I spent some time this morning talk
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  Speaker 3: about the teacher in Frisco and how stupid she was
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  Speaker 3: to post a you know, a pro assassination meme about
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump, And I say why, because I want so
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  Speaker 3: badly to get into their heads, into their hearts. I
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  Speaker 3: want to talk to them. I'd like to talk to
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  Speaker 3: this monster and say, what would compel you to look
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  Speaker 3: at this beautiful little girl who you were delivering a
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  Speaker 3: barbie doll to what would make you think that it
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  Speaker 3: would be a it would be a good thing to
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  Speaker 3: try to break her neck? And I don't even want
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  Speaker 3: let's not get graphiced. So I'm glad. I'm glad he's
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  Speaker 3: getting the death penalty. But I guess it's back to
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  Speaker 3: the existential age old question why does evil exist? And
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  Speaker 3: you always say to me, you can't You can't even
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  Speaker 3: begin to try to figure it out, because if you
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  Speaker 3: try to figure it out, you'll go mad.
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  Speaker 2: It's a circular argument. It exists because it exists. Part
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  Speaker 2: of the definition of evil is there is no why.
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  Speaker 2: And it's funny you'd referred to it as a time waste. Well,
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  Speaker 2: first of all, nothing is around here. We can do
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  Speaker 2: anything around here this part, And it's kind of like
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  Speaker 2: being in what I call the seventies dorm room, where
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  Speaker 2: just anything's on the tables like men. Why does evil exist?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know anything is worth examining intellectually, And so
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  Speaker 2: if you want to take a couple of minutes, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if there can be good without evil. There
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  Speaker 2: have to be polar opposites. We're not just all operating
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  Speaker 2: in a moral soup. Over this side is the definition
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  Speaker 2: of good. The opposite of that is the definition of evil.
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  Speaker 2: We have God on one side, we have the devil
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  Speaker 2: on the other. For those who believe in the personified
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  Speaker 2: Satan or whatever concept one gives that, so they simply
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  Speaker 2: both in order to have what you might call balance
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  Speaker 2: in the universe. They exist, They're going to exist. It
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  Speaker 2: is part of the human condition that evil will exist
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  Speaker 2: and it will crop up. I won't say in all
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  Speaker 2: of us, because I don't think you and I are
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  Speaker 2: going to kill anybody. But there are people watching listening
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  Speaker 2: right now who have cheated on their taxes, maybe cheated
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  Speaker 2: on their wives, maybe shoplift at candy bar when they're ten,
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  Speaker 2: maybe Stoleakar last week, some violation of some commandments. It
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  Speaker 2: is in all of us to do it, and the
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  Speaker 2: shields we have up against it are the measure of
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  Speaker 2: the lives we lead. I don't think it's a waste
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  Speaker 2: of time at all, all at me, as long as
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  Speaker 2: we recognize that there will be no day here on
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  Speaker 2: the podcast, on any of our shows, or ever where
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  Speaker 2: we will go. Oh that's why. Or if we get
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  Speaker 2: to this monster and he answers your question with some
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  Speaker 2: sentence and then you go, not that you get it,
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  Speaker 2: agree with it, but you but it's like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: now I understand why he did it.
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  Speaker 3: That day will never come. It was not going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: And I do think I have to do a better job.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a little bit of a glitch that
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  Speaker 3: I have. You seem more resolved on the issue of Look,
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  Speaker 3: good exists, evil exists. Evil is real. But ask you
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  Speaker 3: why somebody commits an evil act? Is his feudal is saying, well,
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  Speaker 3: why is somebody inherently good? Why is somebody a good person? Where?
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  Speaker 3: Where did that come from? Was that their upbringing? Was
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  Speaker 3: that there was that their faith was that there was
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  Speaker 3: Is that in their dna? Is it genetic? Is it
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  Speaker 3: something you have to learn? Do you have to learn
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  Speaker 3: to become good? Do you have to learn to become evil?
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  Speaker 3: You know? Evil? And I just think it's true, Mark,
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  Speaker 3: it's probably biblical that these both of these things just
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  Speaker 3: just to exist. That's what it's good is there? Evil
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  Speaker 3: is there, and there is a God, there is a devil.
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  Speaker 3: There is good in the world, and there is evil
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  Speaker 3: in the world. And this guy who thankfully, now here's
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  Speaker 3: the problem with the death penalty. This guy is going
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  Speaker 3: to have years and years of appealance.
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  Speaker 2: I I will die of old age and maybe he
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  Speaker 2: will too before we get to that. Do you know
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  Speaker 2: what you just did in the last two or three minutes?
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  Speaker 2: Tell me, do you know how many? Do you how
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  Speaker 2: many talk shows you lit up just with with a
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  Speaker 2: casual sentence, because I don't know that they are polar.
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  Speaker 2: They are polar opposites, but I don't know if they
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  Speaker 2: are equivalent in the following way. Evil is what can
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  Speaker 2: happen when there is a void, a vacancy, a godlessness.
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  Speaker 2: Not that atheists are going to be evil, can, as
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  Speaker 2: Jennis Brager famously observed, can an atheist be a moral person?
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  Speaker 3: Of course?
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  Speaker 2: It's just harder because when you've got a concept of
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  Speaker 2: God holding you accountable, it's like, okay, better, you know,
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  Speaker 2: to blunt, I think you phrased something I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to put wordering him of about somebody exploring why someone
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  Speaker 2: is inherently good. I don't know if anyone is inherently good.
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  Speaker 2: I do not know if humanity, by its nature is
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  Speaker 2: inherently good. They are more good people than bad people.
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  Speaker 2: Thank for the moment, please, I think we're all kind
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  Speaker 2: of a blank slate. There's no such thing as an
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  Speaker 2: evil four year old. But by the time calls from
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  Speaker 2: coming in. But I think once you get to by
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  Speaker 2: the time you're ten, fifteen, twenty, twenty five, thirty, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if there is an innate goodness in humanity
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  Speaker 2: at all. If you gather me one hundred good people,
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  Speaker 2: I think every single one of them are good because
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  Speaker 2: of either good parenting, good coaching, good experiences, being in church,
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  Speaker 2: being around there. There's a reason for goodness. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it just happens.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's the kind of deep thinking you get here
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  Speaker 3: on the M and M Extra podcast. I'm Mike, He's Mark.
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  Speaker 3: Let's talk a little bit about Ted Turner's passing eighty
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  Speaker 3: seven years old. He was ill for a long time, right,
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  Speaker 3: didn't he have was it dementia? Do you have Alzheimer's?
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  Speaker 2: I think so. I'd heard that It's funny how many
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  Speaker 2: people can you keep in your personal brain file of
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  Speaker 2: how are they doing? And I had ray. We had
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  Speaker 2: Randy Travis's birthday the other day, legendary Randy Travis who
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  Speaker 2: had a stroke like in twenty thirteen, and so I
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  Speaker 2: just had to kind of refresh myself on what's going
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  Speaker 2: on there. But I believe you're right about Ted Turner,
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  Speaker 2: who passed away today at eight.
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  Speaker 3: I go back to listening watching. When I was a
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  Speaker 3: young kid in Ohio, I used to watch TBS because
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  Speaker 3: that was one of the first superstations. Ted Turner, in
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  Speaker 3: addition to founding CNN, founded you know, TBS, the Turner
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  Speaker 3: Broadcasting System, and it was it was a channel, it
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  Speaker 3: was it was a local station in Atlanta. And what
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  Speaker 3: he did was he nationalized it. He made it go national.
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  Speaker 3: And I used to watch Atlanta Braves baseball games because
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  Speaker 3: the most colorful broad broadcast announcers I ever listened to,
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  Speaker 3: Skip Carrey and Ernie Johnson hold on back in the day,
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  Speaker 3: Harry Well, Harry was Stiff's father. Now he was the
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  Speaker 3: Chicago Cubs. But Son superstation, superstation confusion. This was a
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  Speaker 3: heyday of life. It's the eighties. I had my first
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  Speaker 3: morning talk show in Jacksonville, Florida. So I'm done at ten.
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  Speaker 3: Still had other stuff to do, but.
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  Speaker 2: Was I available every afternoon and this is why we
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  Speaker 2: became I've always been kind of an American guy. Grew
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  Speaker 2: up with the Senators and the Orioles. But we became
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  Speaker 2: a National League country because it was the Braves on TBS,
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  Speaker 2: it was the Cubs on WGN, and it was the
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  Speaker 2: Mets on wr WR, big afternoon of nothing but baseball.
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  Speaker 2: So correct, Skip Carrey in Atlanta continued.
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  Speaker 3: And then and by the way, Skip Carrey, as somebody
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  Speaker 3: pointed out on my show earlier today, produced Chip carry
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  Speaker 3: his son, who also carried on the legacy. So the
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  Speaker 3: whole Carrey family, a trio of broadcasters.
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  Speaker 2: Is Drew Carrey involved. I think that's spelled differently.
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  Speaker 3: That's the price is right, the whole different thing. But
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  Speaker 3: you know, back back to Ted Turner, I often think
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  Speaker 3: about what he I don't know what condition he was
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  Speaker 3: in for the last five or ten years of his life,
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  Speaker 3: because I do believe he was ill and was suffering,
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  Speaker 3: But I wonder what he thought of what his baby,
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  Speaker 3: CNN became. You think about this, Look at what they
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  Speaker 3: are right now. I mean, it's a mess, it's they're
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  Speaker 3: a hot mess. They can't figure out their identity. CNN
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  Speaker 3: used to be the go to cable news network. And look,
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  Speaker 3: I've worked in this position they were in. They were
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  Speaker 3: the only ones, and they were the ones that covered
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  Speaker 3: all the news breaking stories. Uh, CNN was everywhere. Fox
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  Speaker 3: News came along, and I'll tell you what. You look
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  Speaker 3: at the ratings these days of the top twenty watch
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  Speaker 3: shows and cable news, nineteen of the twenty are always
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  Speaker 3: Fox News Channel. It's crazy how they dominate. The verdict
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  Speaker 3: is in, well, it's true, it's absolutely true. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: they're a dominant, dominant player in that space. And CNN
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  Speaker 3: the rest of them, they're just they're just posers, they're wannabes.
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  Speaker 3: But I wonder if Ted Turner regretted seeing the sort
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  Speaker 3: of political animal that CNN became.
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  Speaker 2: Well what was Ted? What was Ted? I don't think
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  Speaker 2: Ted was a doctrinaire conservative. He's married, he's a libertally democrat,
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  Speaker 2: So wouldn't that have been relatively pleasing to him?
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  Speaker 3: They took watching his their button get kicked by Fox.
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  Speaker 2: The politics might not have bothered him, The ratings might
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  Speaker 2: have here.
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  Speaker 3: The business ends, Yeah, the pragmatism.
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  Speaker 2: In twenty eighteen, on CBS Sunday Morning, Ted Turner revealed
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  Speaker 2: his diagnosis of Louis body dementia. Know what, Robin Williams said,
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  Speaker 2: that's what? And then in January of twenty five, he
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  Speaker 2: was hospital January. He was hospitalized with pneumonia. So he's
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  Speaker 2: had a bit of a tough ride before TBS. Before
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  Speaker 2: the local station in Atlanta, it was Turner Outdoor, it
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  Speaker 2: was he was a billboard company, Matt and he took
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  Speaker 2: that over in March of nineteen sixty three after I
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  Speaker 2: forgot about this, after his father's suicide. It was worth
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  Speaker 2: a million. Then he bought some Atlanta UHF stations, turned
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  Speaker 2: the Braves into a nationally popular franchise. For you wrestling fans, here,
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  Speaker 2: here's an entire segment of eminem We could do Jim
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  Speaker 2: Crockett promotions that then became word Old Championship Wrestling.
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  Speaker 3: W c W.
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  Speaker 2: So that all of these, these are the ways in
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  Speaker 2: which the amazing Ted Turner has had impact in life.
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  Speaker 2: And so just you know, remember that I remember your
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  Speaker 2: fly on the wall of that household.
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  Speaker 3: Well again, I think he was no conservative, I don't think,
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  Speaker 3: but he definitely had an incredible impact and a legacy. Incidentally,
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  Speaker 3: you mentioned wrestling. Did I tell you about the Hull
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  Speaker 3: Cogan documentary The short entries No, watch this, It's on Netflix.
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  Speaker 3: It's four parts, and wow, what what a story they
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  Speaker 3: tell about hul.
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  Speaker 2: Cogan, what do we what are we giving? Give me
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  Speaker 2: a couple of things we learned that you didn't know before.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it was the inner workings of sort of that
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  Speaker 3: world of professional wrestling and Vince McMahon. It's fascinating and
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  Speaker 3: and it's a huge business, I mean, and hul Cogan
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  Speaker 3: put him on the map, and and then of course
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  Speaker 3: he and it's the kind of the trajectory he was
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  Speaker 3: on about the starting out as a good guy forever,
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  Speaker 3: and then he was he was a bad guy. He
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  Speaker 3: was a heel for a while and then he went
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  Speaker 3: back to being a good guy. But his body was
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  Speaker 3: utterly broken at the end, and you know, he could
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  Speaker 3: barely walk. They showed him. And what's cool about the documentary,
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  Speaker 3: what's fascinating is that they he gave access to a
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  Speaker 3: documentary film crew, to him and his family and right
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  Speaker 3: up to almost when he died. So you're you're seeing
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  Speaker 3: haul Cogan in the months before he died, talking about
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  Speaker 3: his life, his legacy, his relationship with Vince and all that,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, it's just a.
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  Speaker 2: What a what a life well he has it's almost
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  Speaker 2: been a year. He died on July twenty fourth of
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, right, and the last memory I have
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  Speaker 2: of him is at looking very vigorous at the twenty
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  Speaker 2: four convention, and I saw it was that a pretty
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  Speaker 2: abrupt I was there south for.
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  Speaker 3: Him healthy, I was there, No, he was, he was
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  Speaker 3: He could perform even when he was limping around and
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  Speaker 3: all that. When he got on camera and on stage,
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  Speaker 3: it's like the adrenaline kicked in. A lot of my
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  Speaker 3: friends saw him backstage and he was in good spirits
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  Speaker 3: and yeah he was. Remember he ripped off the shirt
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  Speaker 3: to show his Trump band's shirt. That was so cool.
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  Speaker 3: That was really neat. So that was That's a documentary
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  Speaker 3: well worth watching.
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  Speaker 2: The definite the name of it occurred to you, I can,
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  Speaker 2: I can find it if I have to.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Hulk Hogan. Look up Hogan. It's a four part
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  Speaker 3: series on Netflix.
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  Speaker 2: You go, how about Hulk Hogan, Real American, Hulk HOVI,
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  Speaker 2: Real American.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a great document.
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  Speaker 2: For two for two minutes or twelve, your choice, because
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  Speaker 2: it just doesn't matter. Everything we do, especially here in
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  Speaker 2: this environment, this is either good or bad. We're gonna
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  Speaker 2: find out. It's like, oh there's a squirrel, okay, wrestling
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  Speaker 2: We just talked about it to what degree. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm an appreciator. It's entertainment. I've never been a fan
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  Speaker 2: of that nonsense. I'm not I don't denigrate it at all.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, listen, when I'm ten or eleven years old,
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  Speaker 2: we're visiting my grandmother in Alabama, my mom's mom, and
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  Speaker 2: she and my granddad had divorced. She remarried a gentleman
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  Speaker 2: who my step grandfather, who was known to me forever
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: as mister Bird. This is on a farm in Hertford, Alabama,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: by Dothan in southeastern Alabama. So it's nineteen sixty six
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: sixty seven, and he had a little he had a
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: little black and white TV that he would put on.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, the real TV was for other things. But
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: he loved him some wrestling. And this is mid sixties wrestling.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: And he was also deaf as a stone. So my
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: memories are sitting there with mister Bird, and he was
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: he was probably seventy at the time, and he got
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: so just so energized by it. And though so it's
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: an ear splitting volume so that he could hear it,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: I didn't care. I'm ten watching wrestlers like and I'll
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: never forget this name. Bruno sam Artino all I remember
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Bruno mars as fresh as today's headlines named kind of
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: for him because they was real name is it and
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: something else? But he picked up the nickname the stage
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: name because somebody thought young Bruno looked like that. But
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: so it is. It has entertained generations upon generations. Uh
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Andy Kaufman went through a whole thing about whether it
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: was the weird comic, was it real or not? Did
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Heraldo confront a wrestler about is it real? And didn't
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: the wrestler go is that real? Is that real? Was
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: that Heraldo? Or do to have that wrong?
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: I don't think it was heralda but that's happened a
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: few times.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: John John Stossel.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: John STOs Yeah and so and sued the guy that was,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: and properly so, because don't hit a guy. But when
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: I was when I was a sports, when I was
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: a sportscaster in Ohio, and I took a little detour
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: and did TV news for a few years, and I
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: did sports and I interviewed. I was sent to Hara
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Arena to interview Andre the Giant, and I remember Lordie.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: I hope their tapes.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: I was terrified because I had never seen a human
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: being that big in my life. I was in an
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: office and he walked through the doorway mark he could
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: barely get through the doorway. I I mean he had
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: to duck. He had to. I thought, how does this
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: guy get through life? How do you fly anywhere? He
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: was the biggest human I just I was. I shook
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: his hand. My whole hand got enveloped by this giant
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: hand of his. But it's my kid, My oldest son,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Brian is a wrestling fanatic, and he loves this stuff
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: and he lives for it. And I'm kind of like you.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, I found it entertaining. I used to back
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: when as a kid, I did. Look. There was Randy
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Macho Man Savage and hul Cogan and uh there was
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: the Iron Taker. Oh yeah yeah, and they and the
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: narratives are always kind of cool because sometimes they would
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: tap into like national patriotism. You know, they had the
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Iron Chic. He represented I think Iran, right he was.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: I think he was from Iran. Supposedly he's probably from Cleveland,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: but on stage he was from Iran. And then you'd have,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: you know, a good all American wrestler that would you know,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: give him the piled driver and all of that.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know too much about this. Such are the
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: rabbit holes here on M and M. Extra Sorry, let's.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Let's let's talk about Brandon Gill for a moment because
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: you and I both talked to him.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Dude, my congressman.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Let's go. He's congress He's such an impressive guy. And
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: something happened this week. You and I touched on this yesterday.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: And by the way, thanks to people who are watching
• 20:33
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• 20:36
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• 20:39
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• 20:42
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• 20:44
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• 20:46
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• 20:48
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• 20:54
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• 20:56
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• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Maybe we get some more, Maybe we get some more
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: live viewers. And this is why I love it. You.
• 21:02
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• 21:06
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• 21:09
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• 21:11
  Speaker 3: I just I just reposted you Live Now, episode three
• 21:14
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• 21:18
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• 21:20
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• 21:21
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• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Good luck with that. You could you could get I
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: could do a tonsil transplant easier than trying to figure
• 21:34
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• 21:38
  Speaker 3: we're having a lot of fun doing it anyway. So
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: welcome to YouTube viewers on the Mike Gallagher Show YouTube
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: page today and thanks for tuning in. Brandon gil He
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: reacted to a magistrate judge named Zia Farquey. Now, this
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: is a judge in DC who is hearing the case
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: of this Cole Allen, the would be presidential assassination at
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: the White House. Correspondence did the arth don't speak his name.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Don't speak his name, I know, but it's he's a
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: you knows on that, yeah, but but you know I
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: tend to do that too. But this is prominent, and
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: this is It's like, did not say Leah Harvey Oswald?
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Do you not say Sir Hans, Sir Han. I mean,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: you know, some of these guys are are part of history,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: whether we like it or not. Anyway, the judge expressed condolences,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: he apologized practically, or he did apologize to this guy
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: because the guy apparently requested a Bible and that was denied.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: The judge didn't like the fact that he was in
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: a jail cell without windows. In other words, he actually
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: seemed sympathetic to some degree to a man who wanted
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: to wipe out the president and his cabinet at the
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: White House correspondence dinner. So Brandon Gill went on Jesse
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Waters last night, and I want to play this clip
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: because this kid, this on a kid, this young man,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Brandon Gill, who's Dnesha Sues' son in law, which is
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: even more fascinating even of Danielle Zoe's. And she's a
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: great podcaster too. Here on sale and podcast Network. Check
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: out what Brandon Gill said to Jesse yesterday last night
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: about what message that judge is sending in exhibiting any
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: degree of sympathy whatsoever for this would be presidential assassin.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: The economist Adam Smith said it best that mercy to
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: the innocent is cruelty. Mercy to the guilty excuse me
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: as cruelty.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: To the innocent.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: And that's what you see right here. The message is clear.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: You have left wing politicians in Washington who are referring
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: to Republicans as Nazis and the Gestapo, who are talking
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: all the time about the horrible things that Republicans are
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: doing to destroy democracy. And then you have judges who,
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: whenever bad guys act on that rhetoric, give them a
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: slap on the wrist.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: That's a problem.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: The message is that violence against Republicans is okay. And
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: I think that that's my affinity for political violence is
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: rising on the left in a way that it's not
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: on the on the right.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Isn't that smart? Isn't that a great take because he's
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: what he's saying is the judge is kind of subtle,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: thirty two years old. He's sending a subtle message, this
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: judge is that it's okay to commit political violence against Republicans.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Isn't that The takeaway here that that that.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Needs the residence absolutely is And I I have an
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: answer to your question because you I'm also part of
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: it's speaking of things on the fly. I'm getting myself
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: back mixed minus or whatever that is.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Half second. Yeah, something just happened to audio guys. I
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: don't know what's going on here, but look something we'll
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: get a handle on. There we go.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: So you so I think I have an answer to that,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: because here we go. You mentioned Cole Allen and I said,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: don't speak his name, and he is, and then you
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: kind of opened around table briefly. And here's so I
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: got to thinking, Okay, I think Mike has a point here.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: It's not like he did kill Trump or anybody. It's
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: a little bit performative on my part to say, let's
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: not mention the names of these people who I think
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I mean it when I say let's not mention the
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: names of these people, let's not read their manifestos. Blah
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: blah blah. You have a point that there's something. I mean,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: how many syllables do you need the guy who sort
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: of got into the White House correspond Center. If you
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: say Cole Alan you do know we mentioned Luigi Mangoni.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: He shot a wait, there wasn't a president. I think
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I have mentioned his name a couple of times, and
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: you had a really good point about Lee r. Vy Oswald.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, because if you're going to kill a president,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: you're going to be in history, and obviously that reference
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: will exist. I will never speak the name of the
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: monster who killed that little girl A phenis strand, So
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: I guess it kind of it's kind of case by case,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: but you have a very interesting point, sort of case
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: by case, on how to handle the whether those of
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: us in this business mention the names of these people
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: and to what degree not that you saying Cole Allen
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: make somebody think, hey, oh, you know, take a shot
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: at Trump tomorrow. But I think I am very sensitized
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: to the degree to which a lot of these people
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: are looking for or looking for attention from wherever they
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: can get it. And my other takeaway from when you
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: set that up is one of the things he was
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: denied he wanted a Bible? Did he really? Maybe if
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: he wanted a Bible a little more in the weeks
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: and months leading up, maybe he wouldn't be in such trouble.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Well, the Luigi man Gione example is the best one,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: because if I'm following this case the right way, or
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: if I'm understanding, and he wanted the attention. He wanted
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: the notoriety. He wanted to draw attention to what he
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: felt were the problems in the healthcare insurance industry. He
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: allegedly had all kinds of health problems, a back issue
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: or something, and he was furious at how badly the
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: healthcare insurance industry treated him. And so by killing Brian Thompson,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: or so the narrative goes, he was bringing much needed
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: attention to the deficiencies in the healthcare insurance system. And
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: so you're so right. It's why, in a in a
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: perfect world, we would never give him the notoriety that
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: he craves. And I mentioned it, and it's got the
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: whole thing. I mean, what a catchy name, Luigi Mangione.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: And he's a good looking kid, you know, and he's
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: he's got all these fans and girls that are you know,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: love him and lift him up. Somebody. I saw another
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: podcast a couple of months ago where somebody said, if
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Luigi Mangione was ugly, would he would he have the
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: following and the support that he currently not, not.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: As much, but he would still have some Sure, this
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: guy's no cover model, but but but he'll probably get
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: some fan mail in jail. Oh yeah, see, there you go,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Because I think it is one way the the Boston
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Marathon bomber.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: He was on the cover of Rolling Stone a good
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: looking guy.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Another good looking guy, and I mean marriage proposals in jail.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: So in a weird way, our odd broken society to
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: kind of talk about these guys because of the weird
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: way in which society reacts to them and sometimes fawns
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: over them.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: You know, we talked on my show earlier today about
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: political violence, and that led to a big discussion about
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: January sixth, because, as you and I both agreed, this judge,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: who has been very harsh with various January sixth defendants,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: not likely he's going to express any sympathy to the
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: prison conditions of any of the January six ers. Having
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: said that, I pointed out on air today, Look, I've
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: never given quarter, never given any any support to the
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: people who behaved violently that day on January sixty to
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: a lot of damage. Boy does that tick people off.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Mark people don't like to hear that because they almost
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: feel like the whole thing was a false flag and
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: it was all Antifa, and it was staged. It was not.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: There were Trump supporters who behaved very badly that day,
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: and for us to pretend otherwise seems foolish to me.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: It is a welcome to a couple of minutes we
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: need to spend on the subject of nuance here on
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: eminem extra nuance is where you have stuff over here
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: that has merit, you have stuff over here that has merit,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: and truth is found with some combination borrowed from both.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: So listn't we got a minute, let's do it. January
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: sixth was horrible, and before I even get to the rioting,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, January six was horrible because there should have
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: been a pause button hit on that entire process. Mike Pence.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: We didn't.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: We weren't calling on him to wave off the results
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: or render them invalid. Just dog on it, please stop
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: the train, because that election result was flawed in a
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: hundred different ways. So more on that later. So, since
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: that didn't happen, and it appears that we were just
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: being we were being force fed an electoral result that
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: was dissatisfying two millions, there's a smidge of those millions
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: who couldn't quite internalize that in the way that we'd
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: like President Trump spoke to them and said, and what
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: did he say, Mike, let us march?
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: What?
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: What was the adverb let us march pea? Wonder if
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: does anybody really know that? Because those words don't get
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: attached very much. And the idea was to maybe ring
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: the capital with thousands of people to say, we're watching,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: we're watching, what's happening here is wrong. Let us let
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: us send this to the courts, let us do something
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: to try to resolve this. Nope, gotta go, gotta go,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: gotta go, gotta go. And people went nuts, so to
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: the to the to the left, and to the Trump haters.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: It was as bad as nine to eleven. It was
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: as bad as the Civil War. It was the worst
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: thing in the world. And because of that overreaction, there
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: are people on our side. Let's just say, who want
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: to kind of underplay it and go, eh, not so bad,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of a tourism gone gone wild. It's like,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: wait a minute, what so I think you have I
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: think you have the right finger on the spectrum of
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: of what.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: It was and what it was now, and and I
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: don't I just don't think we can ever try to
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: pretend that those folks did a lot of damage that day.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: And I don't mean the broken windows, and I don't
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: mean carrying around Nancy Pelosi's podium. Whatever stupid stuff they
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: were doing. They gave our political opponents a big weapon.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: They gave them an opportunity to bludgeon us with that
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: kind of resistance or protest or whatever you want to
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: call it. And look, I don't without January sixth, they
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: got nothing. And by the way, speaking of having nothing,
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: I had a great exercise on the show today. You
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: ought to try it with your audience tomorrow on six
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: sixty am. The answer I asked the audience, name one
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: policy the Democrats present as we get nearer and nearer
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: to the midterms, name one single policy that is better
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: than anything that is being implemented by the Republican leadership
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: today in Washington, DC.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: You got a gift. You got a gift.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Did anybody try did you get? What'd you get? Head?
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: One guy, this crank from Atlanta, Peter and he when
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: he was babbling about ice, I mean, it was the
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: stupid ice argument. He said, we're going to yeah. And
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: and by the way, this was a great exchange I
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: had with him about Ice because he said they murdered.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Two people were killed. I said, hey, Peter, do you
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: happen to know what the disposition was of the officer
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: who was standing in front of the car when renee
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Good hit the accelerator. And of course he didn't know.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: You know why he didn't know, because most people don't know.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Why don't most people know because the mainstream media barely
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: touched on it. You know what happened. He was cleared
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: of all charges, There was no criminal And incidentally, that
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: was in Minneapolis, wasn't exactly in Grapevine, Texas, correct, So,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: so if the system was ever going to be rigged
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: against a cop, it would be there. The the dirty
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: little secret is he was. He was thoroughly exonerated. But
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: the anti ICE people don't even know that those two
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: people who were killed were killed because of their own stupidity,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: their own reckless, violent behavior, and the world knows it.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: But isn't it funny how the media has a way
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: of bearing stories that they don't want people to see,
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: and of trumpeting and heralding stories that they do want
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: to shove down our throats. And this antagonistic caller couldn't
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: even didn't even know that the truth about how that
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: officer was cleared. But back to my question, no nobody
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: could because there are none. What policies.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: You've posed the question again, because as you posed it
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: the first time, it occurred to me how somebody might
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: try to answer it good.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: I want you to do that. So I want you
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: to be Devil's advocate. You pretend to be a purple
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: haired liberal from Portland, Oregon. I want you to give
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: me a hypothetical answer. What is one policy to day's
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Democrat Party offers that would be better than any policies
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: that are currently being implemented in America under Republican leadership.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Just one policy.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Here's the asterisk. Where as they say in Maryland asterisk,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: these are answers that come from the Democrat lexicon.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: Here you go.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: The answer would be like allowing women reproductive freedom.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Well, they'd say that's better if your pro licens not
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: better baby killing.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: It's the way, So let me let me try, because
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: let's play that. See see what I mean? It would
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: be like uh, not kicking millions of people off Medicare,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: or it would be a way of spinning everything.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: That's not a policy, that's not a policy. I'm talking
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: about a proactive, tangible policy policy, because a mass deportation
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: policy is a policy. You know, the America voted for that.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Trump promised it. Here we are. What's their policy? Will
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: they say, well, we will stop that. Well that's not
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: a policy. So what's your policy? Democrats? What idea do
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: you have? For example, everybody who's wallowing about affordability right now,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: supposedly that's a big deal, right gas prices are too
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: high because of the war in Iran, we get it.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: What economic policy do the Democrats offer that will lead
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: us to better affordability?
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: At that point, I have nothing? And which.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Crickets? Crickets? There are none, There are none, And that's
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: what that and and I had a lot of good
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: feedback incidentally on X, people saying that that's a brilliant
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: thing to keep reminding people there are no policies. Uh,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: there's a I got to tell you about this l H. Gray.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: This lady is a beast. You know anything about this
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: woman on X, You're going to.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Know all about her.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: You're going to know all about her. When l H.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: G R E Y she writes essays that are worthy
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: of Socrates. Now here's the problem with L. H. Gray.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: She's filthy. I mean, she is a beast, but.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: She's oh yeah, I'm just reading the Twitter bio and her.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: But you can't get past the bio because you see
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: the bio, you're like, okay, But you should read her
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: work mark. She's on Substack and she writes essays also
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: on X.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: They are so good. She eviscerates the Left. She is
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: a master at just taking them down with eloquent essays.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you, Winston Churchill can't touch this woman. The
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: stuff she writes is so good and so rich. And
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: her point is he wrote today about last night in Indiana,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: which is you and I talked about it today, about
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: this great victory for Republicans who are saying enough with
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: the status quo. She says, the Democratic Party as its
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: staggered toward the twenty twenty six midterms, is not merely losing.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: It is structurally, psychologically and philosophically finished, a once formidable
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: machine reduced to a necrotic loop of obsession, fantasy, and
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: self sabotage. And the Republic is not mourning the loss,
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: it is moving on without them. Her work mark is brilliant.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: But she can write and I think you're reading from
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: the essay the title, the title of which I can
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: see in one of her posts, the Democrats Electoral Apocalypse,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: zero strategy, pathological obsession and the map that buries them alive.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Exactly point made read her and again.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Just just follow her and I expect to be enlightened,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: and she might.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: She followed me back. I mean, I'm I'm listen. I'm
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: scared of her. I don't want her to get that
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: at me. You should read, I mean, she is. This
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: is not somebody you want against you L. H. Gray,
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: g R. E. Whine. If you follow me on on
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: X or follow Mark, you'll see where we followed her
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: and I repost her stuff a lot. But I'm but
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: I'm reluctant to tell anybody about it on the on
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: the talk show because I'm afraid I'm gonna have little
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: old ladies exposed to her calling herself the C word
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: and all that stuff.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Well, here's a whole category. You and I have talked
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: about shows, limited series on Netflix or movies or something
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: like that you enjoyed or I enjoyed, And I guarantee
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: you there are there are shows, and I've listen. You
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: know what we probably need to do an episode on
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: the then diagram between our radio shows and this. I
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: know it's not exactly the same. We had a kind
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: of a bit of fun a minute. That was it
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: yesterday or I almost laid out the B word. And
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: I just don't want to yet. I'll warm up to
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: it if it's necessary. I don't want to do it
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: for to be gratuitous. But there are shows that that
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: you and I have seen and spoken of and thought
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: this is great, and we have said can't can't mention
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: this on the on the air, and.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: Why is that?
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Is it? But because of that quintessential the grandma listening
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: to you in the upstate of South Carolina, who will
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: call you after? I mean, maybe I think this actually
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: happened when I spoke well of the Americans the limited
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: series on FX. It was like six seasons. It's as
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: good as television gets. Matthew Reese and his partner, the
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: actress Kerry Russell. It's so incredibly good, and there's a
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: ton of there's a goodly amount of sex and violence.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: And I think somebody and I spoke well of it
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: on the radio show and I heard from a lady
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: and she was almost like she was wounded, because while
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: I have clearly you do too have the ability if
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: the plot is good and the acting is great, and
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: it's just such a great work of art. It's maybe
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: not our favorite thing to have gratuitous things on screen,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: but maybe I'll sometimes fast forward a little bit. But
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: it's not going to be a disqualifier for us. It
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: is for some people. And she was genuinely disillusioned with
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: me for having spoken of it on the air. But
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: he said, Mark, I tried to watch that. I was like, God,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: what's you literally said Mark, I thought you liked Jesus?
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Oh Lord, great, thanks so you feeling me here.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Many years ago I raved about the Sopranos. Would mine
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Denise would make on Sunday nights when we left. We
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: had our house in Keller. She would make bake zd
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: in honor of the Sopranos, and the kids would come
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: over and we would all gather. Denise and I built
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: our dream house in Keller, Texas. And you know, the
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: the extravagance that we added to the house was a
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: little movie. We had a little theater. We had home
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: theater up over the garage, and we had the We
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: got the comfortable seats and the big widescreen TV and
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: the whole bit, and we Sunday nights, we would all
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: gather as a family and watch The Sopranos and the
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: kids just adored it, and I couldn't get enough of it.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Denise even loved it, and she wasn't a big fan
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: of gratuitous you know, violence and all that, but she
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: loved We just loved the Sopranos, and I would talk
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: about it on the show. I got a call from
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: a little old lady one day on the show, a lady,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: it's a little old lady, never forget it. I will
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: close with this image of this little old lady in Akron, Ohio,
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: who called the Mike Gallagher Show, and she said, she
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: explained how she went through hell to order HBO because
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: she had never had HBO before, but she wanted to
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: get that show that Mike Gallagher was always talking about.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Because she loves Mike, and Mike has values and believes
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: in things.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: That and Mike loves a show that is about a
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: church choir called The Sopranos. She thought it was about
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: a church choir, and so she ordered HBO. She spent
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: twenty nine to ninety nine a month, and she had.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: She listened to you. Actually, she just heard the name
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Sure, the show was called The Sopranos, and they thought
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: it was.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Here anything else because apparently here comes the test, because
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: apparently you didn't reveal the episode where Big Pussy got whacked.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that there is. Know they going blue on
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: the podcast. Yeah no, man Pushy did get away.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Matt Lower, who's dead to the world, said that to
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Katie Kurrk the following morning, and that was when the
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Big Pushy got wet.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Yes, well, especially what they knew about Matt Lower at
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: the time. They thought, boy, you know he's gone right,
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: he's gone public with his behavior. Anyway, this poor little
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: old lady was so disillusioned with me, and she shall
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: I will never forget, she goes. I sat down last
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: Sunday night to watch this show. The filth, the violence,
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: the sex, the language. She's not wrong was right there.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: So it's in there. It's on here on eminem extra.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: All right, all right, here you go, here's late latest rap. Listen,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: there's always a rabbit hole. Here we go. You mentioned
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: the theater room that you and Denise built, right, Yep,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: How often did okay? Was it wasn't the only TV
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: in the house?
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Did you have like? No, no, no TV?
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: It was a special occasion. We'd go often. How often
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: did you use it? Once a week? Twice a week
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: maybe at the most, at the most, I'm not kidding you.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: The Sopranos, I was the night we'd go up there,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: but not a lot. And did you have to go?
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Was it upstairs? It was upstairs? It was over the garage.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: It was a room over the garage. We had a
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: two car garage and we built the house and we
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: had the movie theater designed over. Yeah, it was went
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: up up a flight of steps.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: We've lived in our current house for eighteen years. Yeah,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: it has a theater room. Yep, it's the last time
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: we were in there. It's a theater room. It is
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: completely empty. It's just a big room. We got some
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: furniture in there. I stuck a foosball table in there
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: for Ethan when he was a kid. We've never ever
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: hung a screen in there, and never did anything because
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: in this day and age, we got a pretty good
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: sized TV in the living room. And I looked at Lisa,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: and Lisa looked at me and said, in what universe
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: would we necessarily trump upstairs to look at a screen
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: and watch that's that's twice a day. How big is
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: your by the way, how big is your screen in
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: the living room? Seventy or eighty? I mean, you know, yeah, rediculous, Yeah,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: that's what I well, that's pretty big.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Eighty five big up. I think mine's eighty five eighty
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: five inches.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: First World, First World Podcast.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: First World Problems, First World Problems. All right, happy day.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: There we go, Episode three in the can. Let's get
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: out of here. Let's let's call it, call it a day.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: All I could take this out. It's easy. See you tomorrow.