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Thursday Night Sermon & Behind-the-Scenes Roundtable | Meditation, Spiritual Growth, Community Building & Honest Conversations · Eye Opener Society

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  Hello, everyone. Welcome back to our Thursday night sermon.
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  This is Eye Opener Society. We want to welcome you on board.
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  We want to thank everyone who tunes in, listens, downloads, plays us back,
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  or joins us live. And I just want to let everybody know that starting next week,
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  we're going to do a trial run.
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  Facebook, YouTube, and TikTok. So if you are on TikTok and been wondering where
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  we were, we're going to take a shot or a stab at the live.
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  And with that, too, after the sermon, anyone who's listened that would like
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  to join us for kind of a little roundtable talk amongst the ministers, join us.
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  We're welcoming you with open arms and we really would like to hear from you.
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  So that's next week. But this week we are live right now.
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  And let's start this. So, this is summer, and what's important with summer,
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  and the reason I'm bringing it up is also due to the fact that Lizzie and I,
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  when we do our regular Monday show.
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  We were on kind of a bye week because I was getting ready for the new season, season of summer.
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  And we have our episode coming up this coming Monday and we're hoping that everybody tunes into that one.
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  But seasons are important to me. See, I live on the East Coast and I run through
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  all four seasons and I've lived on the East Coast my entire life.
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  So I go through all four seasons.
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  And summertime has always been my favorite.
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  And the only reason for it, and it's not so much weather, because whether we
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  could either like a certain type of weather or not like it, I like the seasons,
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  and I'm not sticking in the weather portion of it.
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  Reason for this is summertime to me and in the whole spiritual world, this is life.
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  When everything comes to life, the trees, the bugs, all the reptiles,
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  all of life, anything starts to emerge and come out much more. Everything is greener.
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  There's so much more activity when it comes to life.
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  And that's what I love so much about it. You see, we go into spring,
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  spring is like the emergence, the younger stages of life when we're just happy and free
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  and everything's starting to come to life and everything is visually exciting as it comes to life.
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  And then we move right into that adulthood of summer where everything now is
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  experience and it's beautiful and everything is wonderful.
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  Fall is the older age of life as it starts to crumble little by little as we
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  get older and we're holding on so desperately to the last of our leaves on the trees.
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  And then winter signifies death. And I always say, especially here on the East
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  Coast, winter is the longest season.
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  And that means death is the longest season. We have a very short timeframe of life.
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  And that's why spring and summer is a time to celebrate and enjoy.
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  And we take everything that we embrace and embody with ourselves and we enjoy it.
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  Now, of course, we could do that during wintertime too. There's nothing against it.
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  But it's just the representation of these seasons.
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  And moving forward with this summer, I know I have a lot planned and I've been
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  going outside a lot more and I've been doing more of my meditations outdoors
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  because I love to do my meditations. You all know that.
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  But doing them outdoors hits me even harder. And most recently,
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  I was out and I have some little videos on TikTok where I just have my little
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  inspirational quotes. But I was in a spot that I had found that was so amazing to me.
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  It was so amazing because the moment I got into it, I achieved,
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  and after all this time of meditation, I finally achieved complete mind silence.
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  Most people say, well, if you've been doing it for so long, shouldn't you already
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  be able to do that? No, it doesn't come. It comes to certain people in certain
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  ways, and it's all in how you practice.
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  But that complete mind silence is going to come when it's ready.
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  It was ready for me. And I believe it had to do with where I was.
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  This particular little spot on
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  the planet, stuck in the middle of a wooded area. No one knows where I am.
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  And I was able to find that peace.
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  Everything around me changed everything in me.
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  And I experienced something that I was seeing. And then Lizzie throws a wrench in it.
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  But when I talk to her about it, it's like, how do we see that experience?
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  See, that experience, I'm experiencing it, but I'm experiencing it through the experience.
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  And it was a mind-bender for me. And I started to think about it.
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  And I kept pondering on it.
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  Are we living in an experience? And are we seeing it through the eyes of the experience?
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  Or are we seeing it through the way we are experiencing it?
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  And I like this. I like this conversation. And I like having it inside my own
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  mind. Because this takes me into deeper states of meditation.
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  And I also taught that when you are meditating, if you cannot quiet your mind,
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  start questioning things, ponder things that seem so out there,
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  you know, philosophically, theories, anything that is so hard to explain and,
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  play it over in your mind, in your head, because that will help quiet all the
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  other noise that's going on.
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  And you get to have a conversation that's very deep, that brings you deeper
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  into a meditation, that allows you to start experiencing the experience from the experience.
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  This has been something that I took, the takeaway from this,
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  from this experience that I had, just made me even more thrilled to do meditation.
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  And it's even more thrilling to know, hey, this weekend it's going to be warm
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  again. I'm going to go out to that spot.
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  I may try to find another spot. And I'm going to start playing with the idea
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  that certain areas will bring me a certain experience.
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  And this is what I'm going to start to do over the summer.
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  I try to explore new little places I have not been into, try meditating in them
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  and see what type of experience I get to have in those places.
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  And I'm going to start documenting all of this. And I might even record it too.
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  And that was the thing that brought me to TikTok. I was so profoundly woken up,
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  by that experience that I had to break myself out of it to open up my phone,
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  and go live on TikTok for the very first time just to reach more of an audience,
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  to let them know what I was experiencing.
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  I felt I had to let everybody know about that.
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  So now I get to have my sermon where I get to tell you, I'm not lying when I
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  say you need to meditate.
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  It's going to help probably in so many ways.
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  To me, I think meditation embraces everything in life and we get to embrace
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  those things when we're doing it. So if you have not done it or ever done it
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  before, now's the time to start.
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  Start fresh in this season. Every season, we should start something new.
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  Every season, we should change up the way we do things.
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  Keep life interesting.
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  And that's what I am preaching to you today. Meditation can help you so much.
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  You can always reach out to me, churchofeos at gmail.com if you'd like to work
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  with me on a Zoom session where we can get together and do a meditation session together.
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  I would like to start getting some group sessions together.
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  And I think that would be an amazing thing to do. And Lizzie and I,
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  we're both working on ways to,
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  Bring more of the community to us So that we can all start working together,
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  And as we get these things aligned and in place We're going to start letting
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  you know how to do it And we wish to see you Because this is the whole purpose,
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  of a community And this is something we're very excited about So we could start small,
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  And then we could expand into such a large, wonderful, beautiful community and
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  we could do it at the start of a season, the middle of a season, the end of a season.
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  But we need to start.
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  If we have ideas, if you have ideas, start them, start your season,
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  start it in a way that's going to be refreshing and it's going to empower you. I felt empowered.
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  I still feel empowered all because of one little meditation session where I've
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  experienced something completely new.
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  And this is what I wish for everyone. We all need to have that sort of.
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  Excitement to build up, our energies to flow into such a beautiful and creative way.
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  We need to stop being scared. We need to silence out those that are telling
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  you no and no, you cannot.
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  You can, you will, and you definitely should. And now's the time to start. This is a new season.
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  We need to embrace it and we need to move on and we need to go forward as wonderful
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  human beings that we all are. My name is Gary Dean.
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  This was my sermon. I'm going to turn the microphone over now to our cosmic fairy princess.
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  I know she's going to have something wonderful to say, and I love sitting back
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  just like you in the audience where I get to hear her. Lizzie, it's all you.
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  Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay. So today, if I had a title for my sermon,
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  it would be to just say the weird thing.
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  And to understand this, I have to take you all the way back to the beginning here. So,
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  Okay. Originally, I thought it was very, very funny the way that my dad and
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  brothers were grossed out by my period.
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  And that inspired me to tell them all about it because I don't really understand
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  the whole thing about being silent about it.
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  And as their shock faded and their understanding about it expanded,
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  I realized that that maybe is a big problem in the world is that most men just
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  frankly don't know about your period. And this isn't all about your period, just so you know.
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  But through this experience, I decided to take this with me.
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  And as I moved into high school, all of my guy friends learned all about my
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  period with me because they have girlfriends and they're going to have daughters one day.
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  And I want them to not have to be the first person to tell this person about
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  a normal body experience.
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  And as I went through this, I also noticed that a lot of the women also never
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  heard anybody else say a lot of the things that they're going through.
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  And I won't even list them here because you can go on Google and there's like 300,000 of them,
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  which is why sometimes it feels like a unique experience because that one or
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  two people you felt close enough to give that TMI to had experienced all of those experiences.
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  And as time goes on and I start working with clients as a massage therapist,
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  I'm working very closely with their body.
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  And the amount of shame that people feel about their cellulite or when they're
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  on their period, different things like this, it just it kind of blows my mind.
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  And as time goes on and I keep the same mindset, I was reminded just the other
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  day while Gary and I were recording how beautiful of a concept it actually is
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  when you tell people all about the thing.
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  Because this has multiple parts here.
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  On the one perspective, as a woman, when you are on your period,
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  your hormones change so drastically, so quickly, you're not really entirely the same person.
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  And that has to kind of be acknowledged. And there's a lot of people who've
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  written so many magical books about tracking this and being able to utilize this to your advantage.
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  But really, for me, it just comes down to half of it.
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  I'm excited for the world and downloading information and exploring everything.
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  And the other side, I'm deconstructing everything, which comes off a little
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  bit like an argument sometimes because maybe that's just my flavor.
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  But so the thing is, is when you talk to people about something that you experience
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  regularly, even if you think it's TMI,
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  that means that people close to you, when you say something so simple,
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  so this is where it comes back to our conversation,
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  the flow is just different.
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  Nothing wrong with it. We were having just a good time, but the flow is different.
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  And I think we were both trying to figure out exactly why and like catch ourselves
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  onto the same page, the same flow.
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  But the moment I said, oh, I started my period today, the flow was now on the
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  same page. And I watched it. It was very interesting because he didn't speak to me any differently.
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  But like we both understood where I was standing now because he knows exactly
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  how I am. Oh, when I start my period, because he's my friend.
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  And so he gets to hear all about it.
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  But the thing is, is this goes just way beyond just your womanly cycle or the
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  womanly cycles around you.
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  The thing is, is as an energy worker, I find this also.
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  The thing about shame is any emotion that you feel shameful for is something
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  that you think you're the only one or like that you're not supposed to,
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  like people can't know about you.
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  I find oftentimes healing is on the other side of whatever you think is TMI
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  of sharing with the other person.
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  Now, of course, this does have to be consensual of the other person.
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  You can't chase people around and tell them about your digestive cycle.
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  I mean, you could. I'm not even going to get into it.
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  My point is, is the more that I share my experience and the way that I've done
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  things in like full honesty, even the TMI things, the more I find I'm able to help the other person.
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  And the more I find that I am talking to people who actually have experienced
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  that added extra detail that I normally might leave out in fear of being TMI.
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  And so I just, Sorry, my thing says it's muted. I hope you guys can hear me. I don't know where my...
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  The thing is, is whatever you think is a unique experience likely is not a unique
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  experience as you think it is.
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  A lot of the times the other person too just thinks it's TMI.
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  And when that little piece of information gets left in the ether of secrecy,
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  then that means that neither person got to learn what the other person has done so far about their TMI.
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  And that's pretty much the summary of my speech today. Thank you so much for listening.
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  Cool. Thank you so much, Lizzie. Thank you. We really appreciate having you.
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  And we appreciate everybody for joining and listening to us.
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  Just want to remind everybody next week, again, we are going to try something
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  a little bit different. We're going to be recording on this platform,
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  but we are going to be on TikTok as well. At least we're going to hope so.
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  We're going to give it a shot. We're going to see how that all works out.
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  But we want to thank you for joining us, and we wish you all the best.
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  Thank you so much for joining us. We'll see you soon.
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  Is my mic muted right now? No, I heard you. I saw you freeze up.
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  It's a big block right in the middle of the screen that says your mic is muted.
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  But then down at the bottom, it does not say muted. And I was like,
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  oh, my God, I've just been talking for who knows how long. I know you can hear
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  that. Like, it's not like I completely lost.
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  I'm so sick of typing. My God, Gary, like, it's crazy. It's fine.
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  Well, this is, well, this is why I'm worried because like I said,
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  we do next week because I need to record these so that they go on our regular platform.
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  So I'm going to have to have this set up just the way it is now,
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  but that also means you're going to have to have yourself on the phone.
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  So what I'm thinking, we're going to primarily just do everything on TikTok. It will be a TikTok live.
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  We'll be focused on that. I'll be focused on doing it on the phone,
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  but I'm going to have to set up so this way we can actually record this as is. So what I might do.
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  Instead of doing it over this restream, I just might set up the Zoom and we'll
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  just this way will just be a regular recording, but we're live on TikTok.
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  So I'll figure that one out. I'm going to see how I could get.
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  You know, you know, and it could be something like so I kind of forgot about
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  that, that you don't necessarily put it out at a specific time.
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  We just recorded at the specific time and it goes out later tonight. Right.
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  And so I was thinking about that and what we really could do.
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  So if we start recording seven year time, we could do at eight o'clock.
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  There's like a 30 minute conversation where we do it on Zoom.
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  Maybe we put both links out everywhere.
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  And then whatever, like the conversation is maybe on topic of last week's,
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  you know, that came out and maybe on topic of like whatever it is that they
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  felt like talking about.
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  I love that. And the reason I'm getting a little bit excited about TikTok is
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  only because, like I said, we had no listeners tonight or viewers tonight.
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  No big deal. Like I said, once we put it, you know, the recording out,
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  people listen like crazy. Okay, no big deal.
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  But with TikTok, we are probably going to get over 100.
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  I guarantee it. Especially if we're running a 20-minute show,
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  we're probably going to get close, in my prediction, about 200 listens all at once.
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  Most of them are probably going to be freaking snide, snipey little fuckheads,
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  and it'll piss me off, but I'm going to try to ignore that.
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  Well, I don't want to do the sermon on TikTok.
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  I thought we were doing, like, the conversation on TikTok.
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  I was thinking of trying the sermon on TikTok. This way, during that sermon,
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  we could start dropping the link for the after.
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  And then we, this way. True, but I don't want to do church while people are
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  essentially walking through.
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  Does that make sense? It does, but it's kind of.
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  I mean, that's what's happening with this. We just don't have, you know,
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  you know what I mean? I don't know how, because that's what we're doing here,
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  essentially, with this.
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  Well, right, but we. We just don't have people walking through because we don't
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  have the viewers, you know, as much as we would on TikTok.
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  I feel like on TikTok, because of the foot traffic, it takes away from it being
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  a church thing because there are going to be a bunch of comments and stuff.
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  Does that make sense? And so I feel like it's more fun for like a conversation
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  or something like that versus...
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  Does that make any sense? It makes sense, but it won't work jumping from the
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  platform to the other platform.
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  Because here, essentially right now, let's just say next week we get a thousand
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  views on this, what we're doing right now, right? It's going to be the same
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  thing. There's going to be traffic.
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  We're just not experiencing that yet because there's nobody,
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  you know, joining us to the extent that it would on TikTok.
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  Well, correct, but it's an energy thing.
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  Oh, well, that's why I'm always been turned off by TikTok I was thinking about
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  doing the live right across TikTok,
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  And this platform as well It'll go across But we don't have to pay attention
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  to any of the comments And I think, if I'm not mistaken We might be able to
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  turn them off, too Until it comes time where we want to sit, you know,
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  And have conversation then we could probably turn them on.
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  That could be. So like where we have right now, anybody who scrolls through
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  is kind of looking for this kind of content, correct?
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  Completely lost connection. Okay. Are you back? Yeah. You disappeared for a
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  second. Yeah, lost connection.
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  I just forgot what I said. Okay. We were talking about the foot traffic and the whole energy of it.
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  And I was saying, well, right now we're the same way. But right now,
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  people, foot traffic, scrolling through, they're looking for this specific kind of content, correct?
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  Not necessarily because if
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  it's going out, it's just being broadcasted across YouTube and Facebook.
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  So anybody that stumbles upon it can join.
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  Now, the only problem we have is the fact that.
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  We don't get anything because Facebook doesn't put, I don't even know anything
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  about YouTube or how they do it. But when we go live, that's it. It just goes live.
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  Like on my Facebook, people know that it's coming up or they should know,
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  but they don't get to see that either. That's fucking Facebook.
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  That's why I'm trying for TikTok.
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  But we are just basically open air. Anybody can join in at any time.
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  So even if somebody pops in, I've seen like last week, one person popped in
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  for like a couple minutes and then left.
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  That's just foot traffic that's coming in those people have the ability to start
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  sending messages and we'll see them on the screen here if it happens,
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  we're not getting any of that because we're just not getting the foot traffic
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  and that's what I want I want the foot traffic because then I could tell the foot traffic,
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  if you're connecting with this join us for the after our conversation because
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  otherwise no one's going to know if we're doing it here no one's going to know
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  to join us afterwards if nobody's following us on here.
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  If they're following us, if we're getting 200 people on TikTok and then we're
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  telling 200 people, join us for the after show kind of thing,
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  we're going to have 200 people out of that.
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  Maybe eight would say want the link and I could send those links out and then
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  they could jump on here and then we could record a separate session.
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  But if we do that here, like we just did, there's nobody watching us. One person popped in.
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  That's it. So that one person might not even be interested. So we're not going
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  to get the audience or tell the audience, hey, come join us for the show if nobody's watching.
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  That's why I want to try TikTok because TikTok, then we can try,
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  which is something we're going to have to get over anyway. If we want a community
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  and if we want to reach out to them, we're going to have to deal with that foot
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  traffic. I could do the whole show without paying any attention to the comments at all.
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  I just do my show and then I could go back and start jumping in there and seeing.
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  What people had said, and if there was something important, we could address it.
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  So when you're, so people live comment on YouTube that you see right now? Mm-hmm.
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  Let me see, I didn't know that. YouTube and Facebook. Yeah, YouTube and Facebook.
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  And nobody's commenting because nobody's in here.
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  We had a couple shows where we had two people sitting in, but nobody said anything.
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  But they can if they wanted to.
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  And like I said, if by chance we had like 30 or 40 people, there'd be like 30
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  or 40 comments coming across.
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  It'll show up on the side on our chat screen.
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  I'm trying to figure out why I feel so differently about TikTok because that
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  just doesn't feel the same, which is interesting. I'm not sure why.
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  I'm still going to have to ponder that one.
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  Yeah, ponder because it's the same thing with me. I don't like TikToks live. I don't.
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  But what I do like about it, there's actually people watching us.
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  There will be, and there will be a lot of people watching us.
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  What we're doing right now is what we wanted to have people so this way people
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  can join, but there's nobody joining because we're dealing with YouTube and
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  Facebook, which kind of suck because they don't bring in what they used to.
• 26:49
  Maybe it's because I'm not focused on the amount of foot traffic.
• 26:52
  My focus is on trying to get like the repeat people, which I know you are too.
• 26:57
  I wasn't saying that you weren't.
• 26:59
  But so I think that's the only reason why I want to get on TikTok.
• 27:02
  And I do just kind of hate the concept of TikTok live with like the vibe that's over there about it.
• 27:11
  Like all the messiness about it and all of that. You know what I mean?
• 27:16
  Yeah. Maybe that's why I say it. Well, yeah, and that's, like I say, I can focus.
• 27:22
  I deal with that all day long. I can focus on what I need to do.
• 27:26
  And that's why I was thinking, we do exactly what we're doing here.
• 27:31
  And then at the same time, we'll have our phones up that are connected to TikTok.
• 27:36
  So we can just focus right on this platform. Well, I can only do one.
• 27:42
  Oh, well, then it won't work then that way.
• 27:45
  Because, do you remember, I can't get my laptop to connect to the internet consistently
• 27:50
  for any sort of live. That's why I've been doing it on my phone.
• 27:54
  Gotcha. Yeah, then that won't work. So it's like one or the other.
• 27:59
  Well, then what we're going to have to do is just keep doing what we're doing.
• 28:04
  But we're going to have to skip any kind of after talk unless we get people.
• 28:09
  And we're not getting people on here. So we either do...
• 28:15
  I think we're just thinking about this very differently Because I'm going on
• 28:19
  the concept That like you build it and they will come,
• 28:24
  Okay yeah and we've been building it We're doing it right now As we're building
• 28:28
  it And so we you know So people are downloading it and stuff right,
• 28:34
  Well so let's look at it like this then When we go Yeah it's just I get it I
• 28:41
  get it I love you too I love you too, Lizzie.
• 28:49
  Here's what we need to then consider. Maybe we should just do a Thursday recording.
• 28:53
  We won't go live because we're not getting anybody live.
• 28:56
  And I know we're saying, well, we're building it in consistency.
• 28:59
  But again, it's the two platforms, especially Facebook.
• 29:03
  It's not putting our content out there. So nobody's seeing it.
• 29:08
  So nobody's going to join us on the live. So if we recorded this only,
• 29:13
  just do a regular recording and put it out immediately, this is a Thursday sermon,
• 29:18
  put the messages in there,
• 29:20
  and then people can, since more people are listening to the recordings anyway,
• 29:25
  then we can figure out what we're going to do as far as an after show if people want to join us.
• 29:31
  It's easier though to pull people into an after show if it's live if they're
• 29:36
  watching us live and they're connecting to us and we're chatting with them hey
• 29:40
  join us for this after show we'll get people that way that's the way this is going to work.
• 29:50
  Yeah, we're just looking at it working in very different ways.
• 29:54
  Yeah. And here's my, I'm sorry, I don't mean to control us.
• 30:00
  I just want to be completely honest. This right now, the way we're doing it,
• 30:06
  it's fine, but it's a failure because we're not getting an audience.
• 30:10
  And that's exactly what the sermon needs, is an audience.
• 30:16
  We don't have an audience. We don't have an audience. We've never had an audience.
• 30:20
  I'm going to be completely honest.
• 30:21
  Two people jumped in for a couple of shows.
• 30:25
  And then the last one, one person stayed for 23 seconds. Today,
• 30:28
  somebody stayed for 10 seconds.
• 30:31
  So we're not getting an audience. TikTok will give us an audience. That's the difference.
• 30:37
  Right. But I'm not, I don't view it as a failure.
• 30:42
  I don't view it as a failure either. I'm just explaining that we are not getting
• 30:46
  an audience. And that's where I think where the confusion is.
• 30:49
  We could do this every single Thursday for the next 20 years,
• 30:53
  and we may only, due to the fact that it's Facebook, we may only get one or two people live.
• 30:59
  And that's just the cold, hard reality of this.
• 31:02
  TikTok is where it's at for a live audience. But I thought people were downloading it.
• 31:09
  They're downloading it. They are, but they're not downloading it live.
• 31:13
  I'm downloading it, and I'm putting it on the platform, the recorded version,
• 31:17
  and people are listening.
• 31:19
  But nobody's responding to anything we're telling them in the synopsis even
• 31:23
  live nobody's reached out and sent an email saying oh i would like to join you
• 31:27
  how do i join no one's doing all they're doing is listening to us,
• 31:32
  they much rather hear us on a recording rather than live is basically the feel
• 31:37
  i'm getting unless we're on a platform that has an audience well that's because
• 31:42
  gary we're still building it. There's not really anything.
• 31:45
  There's no benefit right now to watch it live.
• 31:50
  If it is going to be available tomorrow in my life, I will never even fucking
• 31:55
  try to watch it live if there's not a benefit because, like,
• 32:00
  I got to plan my whole day around that, you know what I mean, just as a listener.
• 32:04
  But, like, if it's live and then they're hopping in at the end,
• 32:08
  I think that's going to be very different.
• 32:10
  In my opinion, if people are listening to it later or now, that is equally an audience.
• 32:16
  It doesn't I don't think of that as like a different thing until we're looking
• 32:22
  at them coming in and joining us in much like now when we start these conversations,
• 32:27
  a lot of times it might just start out just me and you.
• 32:31
  And then we're just having a conversation about whatever it is that we want.
• 32:34
  Maybe we record it, you know what I mean, and put it out.
• 32:37
  If other people join, you know, you, me and one other person get to have a really
• 32:42
  in-depth conversation.
• 32:44
  That person is going to feel so much more connected and likely to keep coming
• 32:48
  back and share than anybody else who's just coming into a live.
• 32:53
  Does that make sense? That's the perspective that I was coming at it for.
• 32:59
  But if the amount of people who are live seeing it is something that's really
• 33:04
  important to you, I'm super open to exploring that.
• 33:07
  I can work on my rejection of the the tick tock sermon if if that's something
• 33:13
  that you wanted i'm not arguing against it.
• 33:15
  Oh i i got you i know it's not an argument i i think i'm just missing which
• 33:20
  do you want a live audience.
• 33:23
  I don't really give a shit.
• 33:26
  I want i don't if they're unless they're joining in on like a conversation then
• 33:30
  it doesn't really make a difference to me whether it's live or or not well then here's what we do.
• 33:39
  Instead of waiting for the 7 o'clock period of time and nobody joining,
• 33:43
  because, again, my thing is, and I'm trying to stress, what we're trying to
• 33:48
  do is not working on these social media platforms. This is just not working on them.
• 33:54
  Because, like I said, no one's listening. And the only reason no one's listening
• 33:57
  has nothing to do with you and I. I guarantee you we could get a lot more viewers,
• 34:00
  but Facebook is not pushing this out to people.
• 34:05
  I'm still just confused what you're saying. We don't have any listeners.
• 34:09
  Because I feel like you just You tell me all the time that we're like Okay So
• 34:14
  it's something that's really important To you that people are Viewing us live.
• 34:21
  Yes, because when we get live randos, those are more people that might say,
• 34:27
  holy shit, what have I been missing all this time?
• 34:30
  I mean, the whole purpose to get a community, what would it be if they saw it
• 34:37
  in three days and then they say, oh, wow, what have I been missing the whole
• 34:40
  time? Like, what makes the live special?
• 34:43
  The live special is the energy that we put out, that we are doing a sermon.
• 34:48
  You see, the whole purpose of the sermon is to do it live, which is kind of
• 34:51
  technically required for 501c.
• 34:54
  So if we're putting out a live sermon, we need an audience.
• 34:58
  We're not getting an audience due to the fact that Facebook is not pushing it out there.
• 35:03
  Okay, so we're doing it live because we technically have to,
• 35:07
  even if people don't watch it live.
• 35:09
  As we build a community and people are joining us afterwards,
• 35:14
  they probably will start joining live.
• 35:17
  No, they haven't yet. That's where I'm getting at. But that's what I'm saying.
• 35:20
  We haven't even started a place for them to build a community with us yet.
• 35:26
  Well, we have. Come to our live. Join us. See, that's what I'm saying.
• 35:30
  But they're coming to join as a listener. That's not a community.
• 35:35
  It is because that's the start. That's the foundation. Because if you never
• 35:39
  knew about Eye Opener Society, you're going to want to sit around and listen
• 35:43
  to this more. But you need to discover us.
• 35:46
  And discovering us live and saying, oh, what are these people talking about?
• 35:50
  Wow, this is a great grand concept. I want to follow them. Where do I follow them?
• 35:55
  We're getting that live sense. Somebody will then start chatting.
• 35:59
  Oh my God, who are you? Wonderful fucking people.
• 36:01
  And then we can say, hey, we are the wonderful eye-opener society. Come join us.
• 36:05
  We're doing a sermon, but we're doing a sermon, which means we're not going
• 36:10
  to be live responding to their comments. Yeah.
• 36:14
  Well, no, we won't. I mean, I will afterwards, not during my sermon.
• 36:20
  I'm not breaking my stride.
• 36:22
  But if people have questions or anything on there, I'm going to see them and
• 36:26
  I'll hold them to the end of the thing and say, hey, you know,
• 36:29
  I'll answer from there because that brings people in.
• 36:32
  So I think we're missing, both of us, you and I are missing each other's ideas
• 36:38
  because really all we need to do on Thursdays, fuck all the live shit.
• 36:44
  And just record a sermon, put it out immediately. Here's the thing.
• 36:48
  And then whoever winds up listening, listens on the podcast platforms.
• 36:52
  And if they want to join us, we'll wait forever for it.
• 36:55
  Or we could be exciting and genuine and swallow our fears with TikTok.
• 37:02
  Go live on TikTok.
• 37:04
  Do the sermon on TikTok.
• 37:06
  And bring fucking people in because then we'll have an audience.
• 37:10
  I mean, that's the whole difference between a sermon. Because otherwise,
• 37:13
  this is nothing more than just another podcast that we're doing,
• 37:15
  which is fine. I don't care.
• 37:17
  Like I said, we get the listens on the podcast, on the recordings.
• 37:22
  So they're picking it up tomorrow or even later on tonight.
• 37:26
  But when you and I are here talking live, we're not getting anybody.
• 37:31
  And again, it's not us. It's the stupid platforms we're on. That's what I've
• 37:35
  been trying to. But the thing is, it's not the stupid platforms.
• 37:39
  We create the algorithm.
• 37:42
  No uh see i and i think that's where you're missing it we don't create that
• 37:47
  algorithm facebook has been blocking me forever,
• 37:52
  it does not push ever since hannah and i stopped doing the show our live show,
• 37:58
  it stopped pushing any of my content,
• 38:03
  out to anyone right but but gary.
• 38:08
  We're a quantum pool of nothingness.
• 38:12
  Yes, we are. We create the algorithm. We create what's sent to.
• 38:17
  We create when people come and work with us. And people are going to come and
• 38:22
  join when they're ready to.
• 38:24
  And I know that you, like, the thing is, is the live, if, yeah,
• 38:29
  if you're on TikTok, people are going there to watch live. A lot of other places, people are not.
• 38:35
  But honestly I don't I really don't think the amount of people who see us live
• 38:40
  matters as much as the people overall
• 38:43
  and building the community is going to bring people in live I'm I'm super happy
• 38:48
  to go to TikTok to do it live if that's where you want to try it like I'm not arguing that,
• 38:54
  I was pondering and arguing my own rejection of it if that makes any sense but I just um I just Now,
• 39:02
  I just I feel like we've got a very black and white thinking on what works,
• 39:07
  what doesn't, how things happen and things like that.
• 39:10
  And that really just, I think, limits where we can take it and the opportunities that does come.
• 39:19
  Well, we can forget really the TikTok because, like you said,
• 39:25
  we still need to record it.
• 39:26
  So since you can't use two platforms, then we can't do unless we just did TikTok
• 39:32
  only and not worry about recording.
• 39:33
  We'd do a separate recording and do a TikTok. But I'm with you.
• 39:37
  Listen, and here's the thing. And I get where you're feeling because I don't
• 39:41
  want to be involved in the TikTok thing either because of what I've seen happen.
• 39:46
  But at the same time, I wanted to throw that dart and see if it hits a bullseye.
• 39:52
  I'm still the type. Listen, I'm
• 39:53
  all quantum physics and I'm all fucking spiritual, but I'm also the type.
• 39:58
  Where if it benefits us, we might as well try it. That's just where I come in with it.
• 40:04
  For sure, for sure. That's why I say, like, I'm not arguing it.
• 40:08
  I just think that a TikTok live conversation or even like a speech,
• 40:13
  like we can still do like a sermon type thing.
• 40:16
  But like our Thursday night sermons, I don't know. I just, I feel like.
• 40:23
  So what you're saying, we keep our Thursday night sermon, but we do something
• 40:27
  separate on TikTok where we build a community there just for discussions, right?
• 40:33
  No. No? I'm lost. I was just saying, if you wanted to try the TikTok live,
• 40:37
  I'd be down for that for just another conversation.
• 40:41
  Yeah, okay, that's where I was missing it. Okay, I get that.
• 40:45
  We'll think about it because I think of all...
• 40:49
  I think TikTok still is not right for us.
• 40:56
  So that's what, but again, like I said, I tried it and I noticed what a five
• 41:02
  minute conversation where I had like fucking 25 people there,
• 41:06
  you know, that's what we're trying to do with this.
• 41:10
  But it's never going to work as long as Facebook is behind the shit,
• 41:13
  you know, we can get people, we could get, but Lizzie, how long are we going
• 41:17
  to wait? That's the question.
• 41:20
  But the question is, why do you think we're waiting?
• 41:23
  Because. People that are engaging are engaging on the recordings only because
• 41:32
  they're podcast listeners.
• 41:33
  They're not people willing to jump on board for the church. They are podcast listeners.
• 41:40
  Because all of this is going out on podcast platforms and people are seeing
• 41:44
  something come across their screen. Oh, this seems interesting. Oh, cool conversation.
• 41:48
  But they have no interest in our community and joining that eye-opener society.
• 41:53
  We need to get that out somehow on a different platform, a different way of live or something.
• 41:58
  That's why doing this, the way we do it, would work beautifully if it was pushing
• 42:04
  our shit out there. It's just not pushing it out there.
• 42:07
  I have no control over that. We don't have any control over that.
• 42:12
  But with TikTok, because TikTok right now is the de facto when it comes to audiences,
• 42:19
  it will give us an audience. It will give us new people.
• 42:21
  It will give us people who are going to connect because they're looking for
• 42:24
  that sort of thing, you know.
• 42:26
  But we could scrap the whole idea because I think we're in two different planets
• 42:30
  on this one, I really think.
• 42:31
  No, actually, I think this is really good for us, just for the record.
• 42:35
  I know I look at everything so weird, but I was just like waiting when we were done.
• 42:39
  I was gonna thank you for lovingly working through this friction with me because
• 42:44
  i know it sounds like we're arguing but the thing is you and i are just such a polarizing people,
• 42:52
  the the fact that we're gonna come through these points where we think so fucking
• 42:57
  differently about it and truthfully whatever the answer is is probably a blend
• 43:01
  of both of ours and i just i love that we have this opportunity to lovingly find
• 43:06
  whatever like sparks irritation or you know like i like i wanted to reject tiktok
• 43:13
  like why did i want to reject tiktok that's so interesting i wanted to go tiktok live since i've
• 43:18
  been on tiktok i've had it i have had the option for over a year like i why
• 43:23
  don't i do it like why do i reject that that's so interesting you know so i
• 43:27
  just thank you for being you you're totally welcome
• 43:32
  and no never never an argument like i say it's just
• 43:35
  i think the viewpoints and really i think what it is.
• 43:39
  The only common factor in all of this is just the fact that we're both fearing
• 43:43
  tiktok just because of that reason you know i don't think it's going to be great
• 43:48
  but i just think we may get one or two more people in there,
• 43:52
  we're just having an audience to But if you think it's not going to be great,
• 43:57
  those one or two people are going to be a waste of our time.
• 44:01
  Yeah, and that's fine. I can keep doing exactly what we are doing.
• 44:08
  I have no problem with that. And more than likely, that's what we're going to do.
• 44:12
  If one day our algorithm fucking kicks in and we start to get more people,
• 44:17
  hey, no big deal. I think we'll do better with that.
• 44:20
  But as long as we're doing this, we have a recording. And like I said,
• 44:25
  people are listening to the recorded version of it. They're just not listening live.
• 44:29
  But we get a lot more people on the recording. But again, like I said, it's podcast people.
• 44:35
  It's just no different. Like when this gets recorded and I put it out to all
• 44:38
  the platforms, it's a podcast platform. So it's just people.
• 44:43
  And if they're looking for the spiritual side, they're going to see us,
• 44:45
  even if they're a first-time listener.
• 44:48
  I'll say, okay, yeah, this is pretty cool. And then some people,
• 44:50
  they download like fucking 300 episodes all at once. And I'm like,
• 44:53
  fuck yeah. But nobody reaches out.
• 44:56
  They got the addresses. They know how to...
• 45:00
  People right now we're still building it you got you got it oh no no like i i,
• 45:06
  i went so hard into it like so hard into this earlier and like the thing is
• 45:12
  is like i've really fucking learned that it doesn't matter,
• 45:15
  specifically with energy work people like they like when you're ready like like just like,
• 45:23
  we're we're i think we're doing way better than you think we are in my opinion,
• 45:28
  and i think that's where we're missing the communication because i'm not disagreeing
• 45:32
  with that i know see that's the thing i know we're doing,
• 45:37
  we're doing what we're supposed to be doing but if we're going to take you know.
• 45:42
  A leap to try something else it's no different than you wanted to try the discord
• 45:47
  right it's it's another platform now and i say okay well we'll try that too what's so funny,
• 45:54
  what do you think we're married or something over here no i was just i was thinking so i,
• 46:02
  my my most recent video i put on the fight song by rachel platonist because
• 46:07
  i've been really pondering like i'm a fucking argumentative person
• 46:11
  when i'm in my ego i'm still like fucking fight me like you know what i mean
• 46:16
  and the thing is is every time i like work through this and I let go of those parts of my ego
• 46:22
  I find deeper and deeper that it's just in my soul
• 46:25
  I am an argumentative person this is part of my soul flavor I came here to argue
• 46:31
  and so I'm playing with the idea that my problem is not that I'm arguing everything
• 46:36
  I'm always trying to like not argue things right
• 46:39
  but the concept is is that we are just like working out friction we're learning
• 46:44
  we're blending we're all these things but it's just like um,
• 46:47
  I was laughing so hard because this,
• 46:50
  is just like circling around and it was just it was just,
• 46:54
  I'm just such a weirdo. I'm loving this almost argument with you.
• 47:01
  Lizzie, here's to fuck the thing. I'm not even arguing. If you want me to get
• 47:06
  argumentative, holy shit, you better be ready.
• 47:09
  Between your energy and my energy, holy shit.
• 47:13
  You and I'd never be able to argue. We just, we're going to have to walk away.
• 47:18
  Yeah, yeah, holy shit. I know your intent.
• 47:23
  But you and i normally agree on everything like we just we flow so good and so it's just,
• 47:31
  this probably our first experience not flowing like the way that we normally
• 47:37
  do and i wouldn't say that we're
• 47:39
  arguing i wouldn't say we're flowing against each other we're just like not
• 47:42
  quite catching the other person's drift and i just i find that,
• 47:47
  fun i guess in my perspective from where we're standing.
• 47:52
  I guess I'm just a weirdo. I don't know.
• 47:57
  But I wouldn't want you any other way. So whatever. I think what the problem
• 48:00
  is here, let's shift all the blame on TikTok. You want to do that?
• 48:05
  Okay, sure. Keep all the pressure off of us? Well, TikTok made me do it, okay?
• 48:11
  There you go. That's it. We'll shift the blame to TikTok and we'll yell at TikTok
• 48:16
  and we'll argue with TikTok.
• 48:17
  That's all it is. It has nothing to do with you and I.
• 48:22
  I think it's beautiful I think it's beautiful And I think that we'll probably
• 48:26
  ponder this And we'll both probably
• 48:27
  come back with new perspectives Later That seems to always be when,
• 48:32
  I catch these with people where we just don't quite Communicate It's like it
• 48:37
  just comes in later I don't know,
• 48:40
  Fun things in life I guess the question is, are we still recording this?
• 48:45
  No, this was so shut off when we ended. Did you want to do a recording?
• 48:49
  I was like, this would be so funny to put it out, actually. I think it would be.
• 48:54
  We should have caught it. See, my phone, I don't know what it's doing,
• 48:57
  but see, it said live the whole time. We're still counting live.
• 49:00
  And it says your mic is muted.
• 49:03
  Yeah. I don't like this whole time. I can't see your eyeballs.
• 49:08
  I like I'm talking to you from like here down.
• 49:15
  I think it's just the way it's Well, you know, it's funny It says It's asking me to end the stream,
• 49:23
  And I did end the stream Last time, so maybe we are Still live,
• 49:27
  which is even better Because if it is, I'm putting this up tomorrow morning,
• 49:32
  If this recorded, feel free I think this was actually beautiful It's a piece
• 49:37
  of art It's a piece of art today, Gary,
• 49:42
  It is, and here, I'm going, just to satisfy my craving on this one,
• 49:46
  I'm going to hit end stream.
• 49:48
  If it allows me to end it, then it recorded, and we're going to be freaking
• 49:51
  happy, all right? Let's see.