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Soul-driven Sorceress with Pam Cardaro · The Bridges and Beacons Podcast

• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to another fantastic episode of the Mystic Nerd Squad Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Kelly Meyerson here, the original Mystic Nerd, and I am joined today by my friend in the virtual space, Pam Cardaro.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let me tell you a little bit about her.
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  SPEAKER_00: She is a certified life coach, optimism oracle, and soul-bridging sorceress.
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  SPEAKER_00: She is passionate about helping other women create soul-driven lives so they can feel whole, empowered, and at peace.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome, Pam.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I love that bio, by the way.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, this is a delicious woman to spend time with.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm very excited.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you, Kelly.
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  SPEAKER_02: I appreciate it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm really excited to be here.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm so excited for you to be here too.
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  SPEAKER_00: We met, I think, a couple months ago, um, in a in a mutual um group with some fantastic women.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um I feel like we just totally hit it off as just feeling very soul aligned, very purposed driven in a similar way, working with women.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I I love the energy that you put out into the you know, the interwebs.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I really felt like we clicked um and had so much in common.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, both of us kind of coming being science geeks and then being kind of woo-woo, and yeah, it it just really felt right.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's so much fun.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I it's my favorite thing about being on social media um in the past couple years, being able to expand your circle and meet new people and finding people who are just like willing to nerd out on any topic is so much fun for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this is this is like I feel like it's our playground and we get to play and have fun and meet new kids every day.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and it's so true because I I can geek out just about anything if it's in those two topics.
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  SPEAKER_01: You you've got you've got me.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yep, yep, Mystic Nerds, here we are.
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  SPEAKER_00: So give us a little bit of your background story.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, um, you you referenced before kind of starting in one place in your life and shifting into something different.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, I can completely relate to that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So so tell us a little bit about your story.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um well I started at as a as a kid, I was always really science-oriented, but I was also kind of geeky, um, kind of into the mystic, and I didn't really fit in with my family.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh, and you know, as kids we want to fit in.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I kind of had let some of that go.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I um got doing things.
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  SPEAKER_01: I got into telecom, I was in big business, I was doing really well.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um when the tech bubble broke, I switched gears and um went to do something that was not that didn't take my time away from my son.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was my husband at the time kind of was very I I want you to to be closer to home.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was working long hours, I had a two-hour commute, um, I was making great money, but um, I had no family time.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I stopped um and took uh took like a hundred thousand dollar pay cut.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was great until he passed away suddenly.
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  SPEAKER_01: And all of a sudden I had all of these bills and no money to pay them, and I ended up um literally flat broke and homeless.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I lucked out.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had great um friends and family who nurtured me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I was terrified of doing anything by that point.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was so in it was something like 17 months.
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  SPEAKER_01: My husband died, our only child moved to Minnesota.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, my mom died, I lost three jobs, and then I lost my house.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was really gun shy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and what I found, family took me in, I started over, and everybody kept asking me, Well, what do you want to do?
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: What do you want to do now?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I literally had no clue.
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  SPEAKER_01: I could not remember what my dreams were, what it was that um I wanted out of life.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I had to do a lot of of really soul searching, and that's kind of where I started with this whole soldier and sorceress thing because when I reconnected with that, so many things became apparent.
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  SPEAKER_01: And life just got easier.
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  SPEAKER_01: I met people who liked the liked me for the the science geek and the mystic um side of me.
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  SPEAKER_01: They didn't like one or the other, they were acceptance of both.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's kind of where I kicked this off with um wanting to help other women go through that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I've had a lot of adversities in my life, but it turns out I'm a 6'2 um in human design, so that's kind of a natural thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and my job is to learn from that and to then teach others how to get through that, and that's what I want to be doing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, that is such an incredible story, and you know, some people face one small piece of the adversity that you said you faced, and it it's like soul crushing.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I I really resonate with what you said about people asked you what you wanted to do, and you literally had no clue.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like there was no, you could were completely detached from that part of yourself and being able to feel like, well, what do I want to do?
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I I I'm not sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've been there.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like a weird place to be.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, I really have no answers.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it you get, I think we we end up getting so um, and particularly sensitive women, um, because we're such we can be such people pleasers.
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  SPEAKER_01: We end up getting really attached to helping other people do what they want to accomplish that we forget what we want to accomplish.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I literally, when that happened, I was like, I, you know, I'm no longer an executive, I'm no longer a wife, I no longer need to be a mother.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what my identity is any longer.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but one of the fun things I did was I took that opportunity and I got um assistance and I went back to college and I decided I was gonna geek out and do something that I wanted to do, and I went and got a degree in forensic science.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, which everybody was like, how you're you're like a sensitive, how can you be looking at dead bodies?
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  SPEAKER_01: But I was, you know, the because we had a whole course that was manner of death with it, it literally the textbook was what they teach medical examiners from.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um I was able to detach myself um when I was looking at that and doing it.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, I I loved the opportunity to go back to school and um learn and it it really built up my writing skills and um other things that had nothing to do with, you know, getting a degree in in criminal justice with a you know a side bent in forensics, but um yeah, it was it was fun and it was something that I I did totally for me.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like one of those first steps that I took that was okay, I'm gonna go do something that I want to do.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love that.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's I'd figure it out.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it sounds like you followed your curiosity, like no matter what it was.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you were like, I'm I'm interested in forensics, and even though people were like, Pam, where is this coming from?
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: And you're like, I'm just interested.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: I want to go check it out.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's do this.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I did a lot of that, and I think that's I I think um we don't do enough of that, um, people in general, because those interests that we have, I think they come from our soul.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: There's a reason why we're supposed to be focusing on them.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I I I literally say in one of my um one of my emails that I had sent out that I went everything from you know uh A to Z.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: I if I was interested in it, I went and explored it.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, crystals and wizardry and witch uh Wiccans and Buddhism, and I I went and looked and I and I played around with it, and then I found the parts that really resonated with me um from that curiosity, and I found things that I was like, eh, you know, not so much interested in.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: But um we I I think all of that has come to where I am today, and it's stuff that I'm meant to be using as I go forward.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, that is so juicy.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like my my inner nerd is jumping for joy when you said forensics, and I was like, ooh, I'm leaning in, this is interesting, you know, and I'm like envisioning like remember when uh CSI first came out and like they would show all like the slow motion, like figuring things out and how thing I I loved a mystery like that, like let's figure out what actually happened and and the forensics piece of that.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um so that to me is like that's super cool.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was that I think that was where my um my curiosity is was be taking that and going.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: And really my idea had been to get that science background and then use some of my I'm I I don't like to call myself a medium, um, but I do have connection with other that other plane.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I thought it would be a great way to kind of turn that into working coal cases and doing that.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: But when I got into my law enforcement agency, because I work uh a lot of people don't maybe don't know this, but I work as a law enforcement agency dispatcher.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that's my full-time job while I coach on the side.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully that will flip at some point.
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  SPEAKER_01: But um I was kind of hoping to kind of parlay that into that, but then I got in there and I had to have gone, I had to go to the police academy and I had to spend so many years on patrol before I could even get to detective to do that.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I was uh like 4950 when um I started with them, and I was like, I do not want to go compete with 21-year-olds.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um you know, I that that's not no, mm-mm.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I kind of stuck with the dispatch, which um I really thought was my heart-centered work that I was supposed to be doing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um about three years ago, I kind of got a kick in the tail from Spirit that says, Yeah, that was good for a while, but that's not what you want to be doing now.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_01: And this is where sensitive women rock got kind of born was I went to um I set up an appointment, I was seeing a cardiologist, um, and she left the practice.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I went to a new cardiologist, and the cardiologist is like, I want to run a EKG or um echocardiogram on you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they came back and basically said, Um, you have a uh we think we have you have a hole in your heart.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh my goodness.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, okay, and they were like, so we want to do this other test.
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  SPEAKER_01: So a month later, um literally it was like I I went in January, in February, they did the second test, and it turned out I had a really, really big hole in my heart.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was seeing the surgeon the next week, and by April I was having open heart surgery.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh my goodness.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they said to me that more than 50% of my oxygenated blood never made it to my body, it just went back and forth between my heart and lungs.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, never fed my body.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they I think they were really surprised I was still alive and and and and had been athletic and you know, was uh as a child and all of this because I literally had hardly any separation.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: Your your top your chambers of your heart are supposed to be separated.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: My top two chambers were not separated at all.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your whole life, my whole life, apparently um, yeah, it was like really fast, very shocking, you know, kind of one of those smack in the faces, and you're like uh what?
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: What I have to have open heart surgery, what um yeah, and then they when they did the testing, I literally had nothing else wrong.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: I had no blockages, I had no artery disease, nothing at 55.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, there's a reason this is happening.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I was in tune enough with with spirit, and I was like, 55 is all about change and transitions.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, this is something about my heart, so it must be a heart-centered transition I'm supposed to be making.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: And when I sat back on that, that's how sensitive women rock was born, because I realized that I was supposed to be doing coaching and helping other women lead soul-driven lives so that they felt whole and empowered and could be a piece, like I had found um when I started doing it.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: And a year later the business was born.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, wow, wow.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: Pam, that's such an amazing story.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: It was so crazy.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I mean, I and it literally happened, um, God bless my husband.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because uh I had met him, that was one of the things I manifested was this man who um actually has no qualms about the fact that I call myself a witchy woman.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um he buys me things that say witchy woman.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um but we had met, we had just moved his parents up.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we just got married, moved his parents here, and they moved we moved them here in November, and I had my surgery in April.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so he really had he all of a sudden he was like really having to step up.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um and he took an entire month off to be with me for the first month after my surgery.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: So you when you start living your life from your soul, you you really draw in the right people.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, that's so wonderful.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's amazing, you know, that commitment to to be there for you through that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And through, you know, when you when you said, now I'm going to do this.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: It was like, I'm gonna buy you things that say that.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm in support of this.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: This is fun.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um I I'm so incredibly amazed at the moment that you, you know, a lot of people would hear, I have a hole in my heart that's been there my whole life.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not getting enough oxygen in my body.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: I have to have surgery, like this is life-altering, and would be like, why me?
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: And instead, you were like, hmm, so why now?
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: You weren't like, why me?
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: You were like, why now?
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: And what does what how can I make this have a higher level of meaning in my life?
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: I think that that takes a really special person to be able to face another moment of adversity and say, How am I gonna use this?
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: How am I gonna grow from this?
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  SPEAKER_00: How is this gonna make my life more meaningful and purpose-driven?
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: And how am I gonna give to other people?
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: So you you didn't get too stuck in that, like, oh, woe is me.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: I've gotta have heart surgery.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: You were like, This is this is a moment for me.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna take it and I'm gonna run with it.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I mean, uh I I think I was shocked.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but you're right.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: I never kind of said, you know, uh, oh my gosh, this is, you know, I I think I did have the, you know, oh my gosh, I might die on the table because we went out and we immediately did a will and um and things like that.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh thank God for my my lawyer, because he literally turned it around because it was a short period of time.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: He literally turned around my will and my um um power of attorney and all of that in like a week before me.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah that we were covered.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, uh and I've kind of done that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't do that right after my first husband died, but um, as the other stuff kind of came through, and you know, it was it was difficult to deal with, but I never lost my faith that there was something else coming.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's what happens with people.
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  SPEAKER_01: We start to lose faith that there's something behind that, and there always is something else that's going to come and help you and work with you.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's the universe doesn't want us to be miserable.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they it wants us to be happy.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: We're designed here to be happy, but we've lost our touch in our we're no longer in touch with our us at a soul level, which takes us out of touch with you know, spirit or the universe, God, however you want to call it.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um it kind of takes us out of that, and then we lose that faith.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: That there's there's if not a reason behind it, there's meaning, a reason behind because I don't like that.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: Some people would say, Oh, it was karma that you know my husband died had to be like like that.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: And um there for a while I I believed it, but I had a a comment um come through one day meditating, and Spirit said, No, I gave you these things so that you could um learn from them.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: So uh just recalling it, it was like, I gave you bad eyesight so you could see with your heart instead of your eyes.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I gave you bad teeth because my teeth were horrible when I was a kid.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: I had was in braces for six years.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um I gave you bad teeth so you chewed on things more thoughtfully and then I put you through what you your the death of your husband because I I wanted you to learn that there was another way to handle it than how your mother handled uh the death of your father.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I was like, oh, this doesn't make sense because um I I did handle it very different.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: One of the things I've noticed is a lot of times my life mirrors something else that happened.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: So um my father died when I was just about 16, and um, you know, my mom was left trying to raise two kids, and then my husband died, and my son was 17.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: Our son was 17.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, and I was, you know, in the same boat, and we handled it totally differently.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um so I think even though there's not necessarily a reason, there's something that we can learn from.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: From all of that.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: That's tremendous advice.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: Which is is worth taking from you, Pam, because you you've always risen to the occasion and and surpassed it and grown and moved forward.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean that that just in the first 20 minutes, you you've amazed us with what you've come through, grown through, and then now you're giving to other people.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: You're you're offering your wisdom to help unlock other people's wisdom.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's that's incredible.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: I hope so.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: I hope other people see it that way.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's I I really do believe that when we live from our soul, um good things happen.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: And not everything's gonna be good.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: Life's not that way.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um you know, there's there's are always gonna be lessons that we need to learn.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: There's always gonna be things that we have to kind of go through to grow, but having faith that you can move through that, um, and just attracting the right people, the right experiences, because you're not pretending to be something that in your heart you really aren't.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I I can't tell you the number of women who say who I've heard say, I really would like to be doing this, but I'm so afraid that it's not mainstream enough.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I did this instead.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, no, no, no, no.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and those are the people I want to get to, those are the people I want to teach that that you're you're holding yourself back because somebody else made you believe that you had to be the same as everybody else, and we're not meant to be that way.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: We're meant to be different.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I agree, I agree, I feel that so deeply.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I think every time we make the choice to be more authentic and live from our authentic voice and power and actions, we're we're giving permission to other people to do the same.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I I literally just put out a thing that said, I don't filter my photos, um, I don't edit my videos.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: Because I want people to know it's o one, it's okay to look the way you look, um, and not worry about what other people think because so many of my coworkers now granted, I'm I'm 30 years old than older than most of my co coworkers, the people I work with regularly on a day-to-day basis.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: But if you saw them with their makeup on and with their makeup out, you wouldn't recognize them.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: So uh and I I'm just not comfortable with that.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I I want I want people to see the real makeup.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: This is no makeup.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um I just I want people to feel comfortable being authentic.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: And the thing is, is when you are authentic, then you attract the right people.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: When you're not being authentic and you're going kind of against what it is, or you're following somebody else's ideal of what you should look like or how you should act, then you're gonna attract people who are that energy, yeah, and it's not gonna be fulfilling for you.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: There's gonna be a part of you that's gonna be frustrated um and unhappy because they don't they don't see the real you, but you're not giving them the real you, yeah, yeah.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: I I feel that too, and um I think for me it's I don't have the time to waste waiting until everything is perfect for me to to get started and do something.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm much more likely to show up as I am than spend the time doing my hair, doing my makeup, you know, and putting on a face.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: How I look is how I look.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I this is it.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I think you know, you get the people filtering people filter the hell out of things anymore.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: But we do everybody a disservice when we when we do that because we're not showing up for real.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um but you know, everybody and then we we kind of force this ideal of perfectionism out there, and it gets in the way of all sorts of things, not just that.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: I I sometimes when I take my um I'm I'm doing training videos and I'll take them and I'll I'll do them a couple of times and I finally will get to the point is like I'm not gonna there's no way I'm ever gonna be satisfied um because it's not perfect, and I I will I literally just go good enough and I hit the hit the button and I was like it is what it is.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah because we can we can get on a hamster wheel of perfectionism and we never get started.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I will say that for a year after sensitive women rock, that was exactly what I was doing.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: I could not put my I was not putting myself out there.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um everything had to be perfect, so it or you know what I thought perfect was, and I never put it out.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, you know, you can't run a business that way if you're not getting out there and you're not selling anything, um, or giving coaching or giving advice that because you're afraid of how you're gonna come across.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: And so now I'm just like, eh, but you know, whatever, it's good enough.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: My my cats walk through my videos, you know.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: The last one I had, they had a fight right at my feet.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: It is real life, right?
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I completely resonate, and I think, you know, sometimes we can get so stuck in how it's supposed to look or how it's supposed to be, and it becomes like what does it look like versus what it what the content is and what the what the mission is and what you're driven to do, and that becomes like your how it looks to everybody becomes the overriding factor, and then like it's you want the meat and potatoes.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I think you said a key word there was suppose.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: What it's supposed to look like.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, who comes up with suppose?
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: Because suppose means that somebody else has influenced you, and so that's one of the things that uh I I'm starting to click with is if I ever say the word suppose, I stop.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, who taught me that that was how it was supposed to be, or how I I was supposed to be?
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, is that accurate?
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: Is or is that somebody else's belief?
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: And nine times out of ten, it's somebody's belief that I've learned.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: That I need to leave that conditioning, yes, keeps showing up all the time, right?
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it does.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yes.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'll be 60 next year.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter how old you get, you still learn.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: There's still lay we're all layers, and uh, you know, I think I lead a pretty soul-driven life, but uh I started doing my um my journal that I put out and that everybody will, you know, if they want a copy, can get here.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: I started doing it myself, and I'm finding layers that it was like, uh I I still have work to do.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yes.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yes.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and and I think that's where you're right on where you were saying, like, I'm still learning, I'm still growing, like this is not this is not done, you know.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think it'll ever be done.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I think we learn up until we uh up until the day we die, and even on that day, we've we probably learned something.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's also making me think the the pressure to have like a certain image and to fit in and that sort of that conditioning out there, um, it doesn't leave much room for like a unique look or aging process being a normal natural thing.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: And like, can we celebrate like living to a certain age versus like looking like we didn't age?
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's it's a it's a blessing to be here and alive, no matter what your age is.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like, let's spend some time celebrating that versus how we look, right?
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: And um it's really funny because I'm going through this with my mother-in-law, she will be 87 in November, but every week we take her to get her hair done, and she gets her hair dyed, and I'm letting mine turn, I don't know how well it shows up, but I'm letting mine turn gray.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: And she keeps looking at me and saying, Aren't you gonna dye it?
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, No, these are my wisdom highlights, they're staying.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so but it's funny because she, you know, it's it it's literally every time that she can see the gray in my hair, she makes a comment about it.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: How funny, you know.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, and that's maybe the conditioning for her, but she's 87.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she's 87, and dad will be 80 uh will be 90.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, they're a full-time job.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: Understandable.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I have three full-time jobs now.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: So it sounds right.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: Don't we all?
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: This is sort of our our lot in life, and like how do you juggle them?
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: How do you stay centered?
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: And and for me, it's always about how do I continuously put myself back up at the top of my list so I am available for everybody.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: We and uh that's a perfect thing because so many of us don't.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we keep ourselves down at the bottom of the list, and then I I was having this conversation with somebody, and I was like, but then you're not giving them the best care, quality care or quality of you if you're not taking care of yourself.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: Totally.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: The airplanes have it right.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: Put your oxygen mask on first, then help somebody else.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, yeah.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: And we do a lot holding our breaths and hoping the oxygen comes, you know.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's like take care of yourself first, yeah, then take care of everybody else.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I have to remind myself of that one too.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's really hard when you have so much going on, you just finding the space for yourself.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I it's it's so easy to get lost, and you know, forget why you're on your path to begin with and why you're doing what you're doing.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I know for me, the I have to continuously come back to stillness and silence and journaling and meditating and tune back in.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, am I am I doing what's authentically for me and moving forward for me?
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: Or am I pulling in?
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, you were talking about earlier uh you're you're a six-to- love human design.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: I get totally nerded out on it.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: I me too.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: Totally geeked.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: I like sound and explains so much I cannot sing the praises of human design at stuff at this point.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I have a fully open head in Ajna.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: Me too.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so, like, and no, no, nothing even defined, no gates, no channels, like it's completely disconnected, you know, and which makes sense for a lot of my life, but it means that I have so much coming in all the time, like I can get very exhausted very fast.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm a manifesting generator, so I do have a lot of energy, but not if I get lost in like silencing the noise.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: But for everybody at home who who is obsessed with human design like you and I are, what is your full human design?
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_00: Mine?
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: I am a mana emotional manifester and a 6-2 profile.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, I love that you're a manifester.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's so exciting for me.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I have I'm not totally open, but I also have open um head ajna and an open root.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, both my power centers are there.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: Surprisingly, I have a defined heart.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: That is not surprising, that makes sense.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's a little weird.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: So um, and one of my channels is between my heart and my um uh is not solar plexus.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it is solar plexus.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: Sacral?
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yes, I think it is.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's the what the emotion one all of a sudden my mind went.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: But um your emotion.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: I say that all the time.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, it's not there.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, so funny.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I I think I when I started to live more in alignment with my design, like, you know, just going off of like I'm a one-three, so the one being like deep dive research loves to get into things, but then three being like the experimenter.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: So I learn deep dive, figure things out, but then I'm really good at teaching them.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like I can give all the tips and tricks and shortcuts to people because I figured out like that just comes to me really fast.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: I I like with the six, um, because I with the six, you have those three defined kind of areas as you move through life.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: And there for a while, I was like, oh my god, I'm like trying to do all this stuff at the you know, in the my end years of life, but it's it's exactly how I'm designed to work.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it makes complete sense.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: Is it I'm trying to remember, I'm I'm not so up on all of them, but is it is it 30-year periods or 20-year periods?
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah what is I think it's um it's 30 year uh well the first one's between 20 and 30 years, the second one's between is more 20 uh 20 years.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: So between um I guess it's between um born and uh like early 30s, you're kind of your life kind of goes one way where you're kind of absorbing everything.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: And then from 30 into 50, you kind of take a step back and you're you watch everything.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of like a doing and then a watching how the world works and everything, and then from 50 on, you're kind of taking everything that you've learned from before, um, and then your job is to teach it to others.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um so I really just when I saw that, I was like, oh my, you know, it makes sense.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then when I looked at some of the emotional things, like one of my I have a channel.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, one of my channels basically says I'm a chaos magnet.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh my life.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: Well that makes sense, right?
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and for years I was like, oh, I you know, I must have done something in a past life that I'm that karma is kicking my ass for.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but you know, now I look at it and I was like, anytime something comes up, that that thing that I was doing kind of automatically now makes total sense.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh, what's the lesson behind because there's a reason I'm going through this, I need to learn a lesson so I can teach other people.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: And now I it it clicks with me, where you know, before it was kind of like eek, you know.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I did it automatically because I it happens to be an unconscious channel, but um, you know, I I didn't get why I was doing it, and now it's like, oh well, it's all meant for for this, for being able to help other per other people through, through how do you get past adversity and with grace and a a sense of humor.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so yeah, well, see what the next challenge like wants to throw at me is gonna be.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think okay.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's that's inviting the chaos for sure.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's that's definitely been a challenge, particularly when you're trying to do all like I'm trying to do the tech myself, and it's like, oh wait, something's broken, it's not working.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_01: What where do I go fit?
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: Where do I go figure it out to fix it?
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: It it's definitely been an experience.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, always, right?
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's so yeah, I so resonate with that.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_00: How do I fix this technology problem?
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: There's people for this.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: So this Google is my friend.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, for sure.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: Do the research.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um this feels like such a good point to talk about your business and what you're building and what you're offering.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I would love for you to share some of what's coming up for you.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um well, I have a couple of ways people can connect that I'm giving I'm gifting today.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_01: So um one of them is a coupon to a free reading where you uh um I basically do a Zoom call, we get together, um, I pull cards, and you get to meet three of your um spirit guides.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_01: So one's either a goddess or an angel, depending on which deck you prefer.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: Some people are not so into the goddess, so I I do an angel deck, um, an animal, and an ascended master.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: And um, the coupon is basically you get that for free if you if you want to take advantage of it.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the other thing that I'm getting is my um free Discovering You journal and prompts, and that's what we talked about earlier.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm doing it myself, I'm and I'm even learning from it.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_01: So it basically helps you reconnect to who you were at a at a soul level before all of the BS came in into play, um, and people started shooting you and and coulding you, and you you need to be this.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um so you know, it'll it'll walk you through what are your likes and dislikes, um, are you doing them?
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, how how did you um what did you enjoy as a child, as a kid, because that can be really key to who you are, and it kind of walks you through how how are you taking care of yourself, who um influenced you, things like like that.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a it's a good way to kind of do that first reconnect um with you at that level.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: And um beyond that, I'm getting ready to put out a coaching program that I'm really excited about.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's um I it's basically doing something how I wish it had been done for all of the times I go and try to do coaching.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: So it's gonna be a bunch of little mini courses and um assessments and workbooks and things like that, but you have access to them always.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: So one of my pet peeves is you know, I'm really busy and I want to join, you know, um uh I don't know, um master course or something.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: And they'll do I I can never join live, never fails, it's always on the day I work a 12 hour shift.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_01: But they only leave a replay up for 24, 48, 72 hours.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I never get to that either.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: So um I I'm basically designing it so It it's yours.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_01: You have access to it whenever you want.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_01: There's no time limit.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: It it'll be self-study, is where I'm starting out with.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: But there'll be self-study courses you can take whenever you want.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then I'm planning on bundling them.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um at least some of them.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: And may I may do a membership.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to work out the technology side of that.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: So right now I have one course up, um, and I have four more in the works.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, two are almost ready.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_01: I just need to tape.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: Two others are there, but um, I call it mini movement magic because we're gonna just take little tiny, you know, it's little tiny steps to get you to being what I call a sort soul-driven sorceress, which basically means you create your life.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_01: And um they're gonna be they're gonna be separated by what I I'm calling cauldrons because I I'm with you.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_01: I like I like that terminology.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_01: Love it.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: Categories, but I like calling them cauldrons.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_01: So one is a cauldron of wholeness, one is a cauldron of empowerment, one's a cauldron of peace.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: And they'll be you know, divvied up.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_01: And the great thing about it is you get to design it yourself, so there's no set path that you can go through because we're all different.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I call it like baking a cake or making a spell.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_01: I give you the basic um recipe, and then if you want chocolate cake, you pick the ingredients for your chocolate cake or your spice cake or your whatever.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna do a whole video on this, but um you'll get to pick and choose what it is that you want to work on as you go through.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_01: So the first one is uncovering your unique magic, and it's about how you um why you're different um from everybody else, why you're unique, and then how you can go explore that.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: And everything is going to be the entire um every class or course will entirely be an hour or less.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, most of them will be 30 minutes or less, but all of the modules will be 30 minutes or less.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I I'm really excited about it.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm hoping after this I'm gonna actually tape the introduction to the program and um and put it, you know, put it out to um my followers and give them an idea that it's coming, um, and then maybe tape some of the segments for the the courses that I have in the works.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_01: I've got everything done except for actually taping the um the presentation.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_01: There I I I just wanted something I like I said, I I I like learning, but it never fails that I sign up for something and I can't get to it in time.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I want something where people can one, it's not cookie cutter, and two, it's available whenever they're available.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I totally get that.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's there's a lot of us out there who are doing multiple things, full-time job, family, you know, side hustle, passion work.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_00: So anything to to be able to still do the work in in less time, and yeah, I think that's incredible.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I I I I hope people get as geeked about it as I'm geeked about it, because I I I really am geeked about it.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_01: And um, you know, there's my inner critic.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_01: My hard part is actually doing the videos.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_01: I I love the design.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_01: I've got the I've got beautiful um presentations already made up and workbooks and journals to you know to help you walk through stuff.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_01: And my I fall I fall down when it comes to actually taping the the um because like I said, my inner critic gets in the way.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, we're all still doing the work, right?
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_00: We are very good.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, everybody, you want to connect with Pam.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_00: She has an amazing free community on Facebook.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: She has tremendous posts that are inspirational, funny, fun, witty.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and if you resonate with Pam's story as much as I know I did, then you're gonna want to check everything out that she has going on.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: And we'll just look forward to everything coming out because it sounds amazing.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, your story is really inspirational.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate it.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I had so much fun being here.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: We always have fun when we talk, but yeah, it was great.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_01: And um, I really do.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_01: I hope I hope people do resonate.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: I hope they um they find it interesting, and I really do hope that you take the time, even if it's not with me, if it's with somebody else, go create your own life, be your own soul-driven sorceress.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna end it right there because that was perfect.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_00: All right, everyone.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for joining us on the Mystic Nerd Squad podcast.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: And remember, stay curious.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_00: Take care, everyone.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_00: Have a great day.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: Bye.