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Demonic interference, and Teaching the Word of God in Modern Times | Chuck Konzelman & Cary Solomon · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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  Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the podcast. Everybody, here we are. I'm with
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  Speaker 2: two very special guests, Chuck Klnsman and Kerrie Solomon, and
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  Speaker 2: they are the producers directors of the new movie Nefarious.
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  Speaker 2: But before we go there, which again I would love
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  Speaker 2: to want to get to the details of that kind
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  Speaker 2: of help our audience understand some of the other movies
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  Speaker 2: which I'm sure they'll recognize that you guys have been
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  Speaker 2: part of.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, we started off in the kind of the mainstream industry,
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  Speaker 3: and then we about fifteen years ago, we got a
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  Speaker 3: call from the Lord. We felt were guys from Jersey,
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  Speaker 3: New York, so it wasn't subtle. The Lord kind of
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  Speaker 3: hit us over the head with a mallet. Well like, okay, Lloyd.
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  Speaker 3: The first film we did in that arena was a
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  Speaker 3: little film called What If. That was the first film
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  Speaker 3: for Dallas for a successful film for Dallas Jenkins, who
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  Speaker 3: went on to do The Chosen.
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  Speaker 1: It was a really cool little woman.
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  Speaker 3: It was a cute little thing. And then we did
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  Speaker 3: It's Not Dead, which performed beyond everyone's expectations.
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  Speaker 1: Good too, we did we did, do you believe do
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  Speaker 1: you believe finding Normal? Yeah, Daniel, and those were for
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  Speaker 1: pure flicks at the time. We provided their content. And
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  Speaker 1: then the Lord called us out to go. He said,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to raise you up. I want you to separate,
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  Speaker 1: and I want you to come over here and do
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  Speaker 1: and we did. The first movie we did was Unplanned,
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  Speaker 1: which was the pro life movie, which rattled the left.
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  Speaker 4: We had all sorts of resistance against that. We had.
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  Speaker 3: Google wouldn't accept our ads. They invented a reason the
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  Speaker 3: marketing people had never heard before Twitter. On the night
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  Speaker 3: of our open, our theatrical open, which is critical, they
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  Speaker 3: shut us down completely.
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  Speaker 1: We had all kinds of interference. They wouldn't take our
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  Speaker 1: advertising money. They tried, they tried to kill the movie.
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  Speaker 4: We couldn't buy advertising.
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  Speaker 3: We couldn't buy it on CA, we couldn't buy it
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  Speaker 3: on HGTV, Discovery, Disney.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, there's just any of their affiliated companies.
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  Speaker 1: One hundred other things that they did. But the Lord,
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  Speaker 1: being sovereign, he's the king of the universe. Right out
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  Speaker 1: of nowhere, he creates a way for us to take
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  Speaker 1: the movie into the theater. Is he literally gives us
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  Speaker 1: a distribution company. He creates it and gives it to us,
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  Speaker 1: and we were able to get it on you know,
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  Speaker 1: sixteen eighteen hundred, so that we cannot do that, and
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  Speaker 1: now we have that company, and so now we take
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  Speaker 1: other Christian content or controversial conservative content, and so what
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  Speaker 1: they cancel we take and show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So this it seems that the Lord is in
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  Speaker 2: all this is making the way, providing the way for
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  Speaker 2: what you began to experience now with this movie nefarious.
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  Speaker 2: So let's let's talk about that where you're being equipped
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  Speaker 2: and give the background of how this kind of came
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  Speaker 2: about and whether you wanted to do the film or not,
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  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I mean, again, spiritual batterleirl. That's
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  Speaker 2: the Mason thing that I want our listeners to know.
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  Speaker 2: We all believe it. If he's in six twelve, right,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, we wrestle. There's a wrestling match. If
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  Speaker 2: Hesian's five to eleven, then we're to expose evil. We
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  Speaker 2: all say this, we all believe it, but we don't
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  Speaker 2: sometimes don't really believe it exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's the problem that we've what we saw.
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  Speaker 1: The movie solves that problem because if you're in conversation
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  Speaker 1: with the average person, they'll go, yeah, yeah, yeah, of
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  Speaker 1: course I believe that, but they don't really believe it
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  Speaker 1: because it's not happened to them, or they haven't had
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  Speaker 1: a demonic interference or oppression or you know, something hasn't
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  Speaker 1: flying across the room. And when they see it and
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  Speaker 1: it starts to affect them, then they get very very
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  Speaker 1: serious about because they realize, oh boy. And so the
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  Speaker 1: movie reveals that. I mean, it's it's a powerful thing
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  Speaker 1: because you know, it's believes we're told these things are real.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, you just live your life, right, That's
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  Speaker 1: that's what everybody does. But then it happens, and this
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  Speaker 1: movie points, i mean, puts a light on it, and
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  Speaker 1: so people then see the truth. And once you see
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  Speaker 1: the truth, you can't not know the truth. So they
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  Speaker 1: have to kind of rearrange their life in a certain
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  Speaker 1: way where I got to stop this. I gotta stop
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  Speaker 1: playing with tarot cards or going to yoga or reiki
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  Speaker 1: or heart reading horoscopes. I mean, the occult is so
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  Speaker 1: prevalent in our society now.
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  Speaker 3: Ouiji boards are the Ouiji boards are absolutely the gateway
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  Speaker 3: drug for possession. And this it's over eighty percent of
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  Speaker 3: the possession cases that exorcists are dealing with, and deliverance
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  Speaker 3: ministries are dealing with.
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  Speaker 4: Start with a WIGI board.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, for the people that are even playing with that,
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  Speaker 3: if you have it in your house, I would challenge
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  Speaker 3: you if you if you own one. This question was
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  Speaker 3: asked by an exorcist that I lectured saw forty years
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  Speaker 3: ago and I never forgot.
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  Speaker 4: He said, where's the word would you come from? And
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  Speaker 4: no one in the audience knew.
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  Speaker 3: You know where it comes from. We French freees, yah,
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  Speaker 3: German freees. And he said, what you're doing is this
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  Speaker 3: was actually a technical consultant on the original Exorcist film.
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  Speaker 3: He said, you're saying yes yes to a voluntary demonic possession,
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  Speaker 3: and you're hoping it's temporary, and the team is hoping otherwise.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, it really is about permission. And so
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  Speaker 2: so let's uh okay. I told you guys this before.
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  Speaker 2: I'm an extreme fan of the Screwtape letters, you know,
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  Speaker 2: written the study guide on it for years, and when
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  Speaker 2: I first watched the Nefarious movie, I said to myself,
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  Speaker 2: there's no way, there's no way that this script is
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  Speaker 2: unaware of letters. So coming to find out kind of
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  Speaker 2: give us the background. Then of how in a general
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  Speaker 2: way or as specifically, how how has C. S. Lewis
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  Speaker 2: contributed to this this whole C. S.
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  Speaker 4: Lewis is baked into the cake, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if we if we're gonna, if we go
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  Speaker 3: even outside the story itself, I mean one of our
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  Speaker 3: part of our operating system to borrow from Lewis's We
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  Speaker 3: don't need more Christian movies.
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  Speaker 4: We need more movies made by christ And that's really
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  Speaker 4: what we're looking to do.
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  Speaker 3: I think, like all filmmakers on our side, we had
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  Speaker 3: always wondered about, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, screwtape letters. It would be so great.
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  Speaker 3: Aside from the rights acquisition issue, which would be tough,
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  Speaker 3: how would you actually present it on film? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's one party writing letters and you don't even see
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  Speaker 3: the person reading a level.
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  Speaker 4: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: And Steve Dace on the other side, Steve Dace political commentator,
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  Speaker 3: unique in that he approaches everything from he postes politics
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  Speaker 3: from a theological viewpoint.
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  Speaker 4: That's his whole mission. He was in a.
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  Speaker 3: Shower, I believe, and he got struck with it. He
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  Speaker 3: was thinking about screwtape letters and he got struck with
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  Speaker 3: words along to the point along the lines of to
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  Speaker 3: the fact of I would the demon as though he
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  Speaker 3: was speaking to someone I'd like to thank all of
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  Speaker 3: the useful idiots who made this possible, and he was
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  Speaker 3: thinking about the decline and fall potentially of Western civilization.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Screwtape proposes a toast? Is this kind of like
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  Speaker 2: the Yes, it really is that he comes up and
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  Speaker 2: he's thinking his coharts, but he's saying, look at what
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  Speaker 2: we've done in the culture. So it's I like, Screwtape
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  Speaker 2: proposes to toast kind of as an addendum to the Screwslaters,
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  Speaker 2: because it does that exact thing, kind of a summary,
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  Speaker 2: look at what we've done, So that that's that makes
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  Speaker 2: perfect sense.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and and and and Screwtape proposes a toast to
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  Speaker 3: kind of celebrates the ignorance of humanity more so then,
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  Speaker 3: more so than more.
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  Speaker 4: So than the rest of the piece.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, so so you know that that mindset is
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  Speaker 3: baked into the cake. But obviously you know Screwtape Letters
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  Speaker 3: was for a particular place in time. It's it's there's
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  Speaker 3: quite a bit of humor, and it's lighthearted, and it's
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  Speaker 3: it's it's concerned with the day to day banality of
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  Speaker 3: how we do things without thinking and how we heard
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  Speaker 3: those around us in our lives and the rest of it.
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  Speaker 3: We needed something a little more, uh sure, high octane, high.
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  Speaker 4: Octane for for a motion picture.
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  Speaker 1: So we always wanted to do it. I mean we
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  Speaker 1: we for years spoke about it, and but then all
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  Speaker 1: the pieces fell into place and we had to create
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  Speaker 1: the story. So, okay, if you're going to do some thing,
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  Speaker 1: do it right. And you know, the Lord brought the spirit,
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  Speaker 1: dropped the spirit on us, and there were profound things
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  Speaker 1: that happened, scenes that came out of nowhere which were divine.
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  Speaker 1: We never thought of it, but we figured that, okay,
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  Speaker 1: two guys in a room and one's a demon, one isn't,
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  Speaker 1: and one is a non believer. And so this motif
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  Speaker 1: all the contemporary societal things that we address. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it was all got. The whole thing is the Lord,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it was a cry out to people.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when we did Unplanned, I will tell you this.
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  Speaker 1: We've noticed that we had the rights from Planned four
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  Speaker 1: or five years before we actually shot it. And the
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  Speaker 1: day we got the rights, which is impossible because there
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  Speaker 1: was the best selling book.
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  Speaker 4: You don't get a bestselling it told happening copies of hardcover.
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  Speaker 1: So we got the rights for that, which is impossible,
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  Speaker 1: and that was miraculous. If we had more time to
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  Speaker 1: tell you how we got that. But we're about to
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  Speaker 1: go to work on that, and the Lord says not yet, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and so I hear in my head not yet. I'm
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  Speaker 1: like I said to him things one doesn't want us
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  Speaker 1: to do it. We were literally had ready to go.
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  Speaker 3: We never had so much material source material for any project.
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  Speaker 3: We two hundred pages of single space type and notes.
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  Speaker 3: But that was and it was just a question what
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  Speaker 3: do we show and what do we withhold?
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  Speaker 1: And so the Lord says not yet. We mope around
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  Speaker 1: for a week, feeling bad, sorry for ourselves, and then
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  Speaker 1: on the Saturday following Saturday, the Lord says, not yet
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean no, it means not yet. All of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: we got, All of a sudden, we got excited, like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna be able to do it. Okay, this is cool,
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  Speaker 1: And we got busy. We did God's Not Dead and
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  Speaker 1: some other stuff that he wanted us to do. Five
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  Speaker 1: years go by, give or take whatever the number is.
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  Speaker 1: We're sitting in a room. I kid you, not just
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  Speaker 1: like we are now across from each other, we're both working.
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  Speaker 1: We look up at you other and we knew. We
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  Speaker 1: both said at the same moment, now, and we we
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  Speaker 1: were not talking about it, but we knew he said now.
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  Speaker 1: And then we watched literally as it marched through completion
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  Speaker 1: to coming out at the exact perfect time. And then
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  Speaker 1: we went on tour. And while we're on tour, I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: in front of the crowd, you're going to see the
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  Speaker 1: the end of Roe V. Wade. It's going to get flipped.
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  Speaker 2: I come off within two years.
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  Speaker 4: And he was saying this routine within two years.
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  Speaker 1: And he said to me, he said, would you come
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  Speaker 1: over here for a second.
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  Speaker 3: And he says, on this should be saying now, this
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  Speaker 3: is this is the dividing line between us. He's prophetic
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  Speaker 3: and I'm not. So occasionally I got to take the
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  Speaker 3: back seat. But I said, I just don't see any
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  Speaker 3: rational basis for that. Why are you saying I'm not
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  Speaker 3: sure you should be saying that.
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  Speaker 1: And I said to him, I don't know why I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: I just it's just coming out of me.
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  Speaker 4: So happy to be wrong.
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  Speaker 1: But eighteen months later, this movie flipped Roe V Wade.
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  Speaker 1: We got it to the Supreme Court justices. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's a long story among the other people.
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  Speaker 3: We sent a personalized letter with a copy of the
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  Speaker 3: DVD to every active and retired Supreme Court justice, every
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  Speaker 3: and the clerk for every and retired Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 4: When you just watched this, Yeah, that's what we basically.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, we sent it all over the world. I mean
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  Speaker 1: we send it dan Outica. You think we're kidding. They're
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  Speaker 1: a military Basutica. Three people. Well, so they're bored obviously,
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  Speaker 1: so we knew we'd see them. The only problem is
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  Speaker 1: they were all men. But that doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 4: We still want the same area. Yes, there are three
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  Speaker 4: bases in Antarctica, and all three of them got a copy.
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  Speaker 1: But so we knew the timing. So then when the
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  Speaker 1: farest we were told to do no forest, I said, okay,
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  Speaker 1: And we went through the same thing, the same issue,
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  Speaker 1: time wise, and he brought it out. Well what does
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  Speaker 1: that say, Because I'm telling you he uses us as
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  Speaker 1: his tool, He uses everybody as his tool. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the bottom line, we are his hands, we are his eyes,
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  Speaker 1: we are his mouth, right and the bottom line, so
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  Speaker 1: the movie comes out at the perfect time.
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  Speaker 3: I was struck very strongly during during I know there's
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  Speaker 3: millions of people out there that are hoping and are
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  Speaker 3: praying for revival, And during the filming of Unplanned, I
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  Speaker 3: remember getting struck very strongly with we can have revival
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  Speaker 3: and the blessing of the Lord, or we can have abortion,
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  Speaker 3: but we cannot have both. Yeah, So it's just so hopefully,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously we have a divided country with respect
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  Speaker 3: to this thing, but hopefully the Lord takes the overthrow
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  Speaker 3: of that evil, that wickedness, as a sign and enough
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  Speaker 3: of a sign that we will not lose his blessed.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, the devil is not idle. On these movies,
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  Speaker 1: Like in the Forest, we were under a siege every
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  Speaker 1: day twenty four hours. I mean, the stuff we went
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  Speaker 1: through was crazy, night and day.
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  Speaker 3: During the physical production of Unplanned, marketing was a problem,
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  Speaker 3: But during the physical production of Unplanned, we.
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  Speaker 4: Had a perfect hedge of protection around us.
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  Speaker 3: It was amazing. We were in the Aya and we
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  Speaker 3: were here here in Oklahoma. We went to still Now,
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  Speaker 3: we did reasonable things. We shot under a pseudonym was
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  Speaker 3: cold redeemed. We had security on set. We you know,
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  Speaker 3: we shot in stillwater, so not exactly. You know, a
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  Speaker 3: town of thirty thousand people when college is not in session. Right,
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  Speaker 3: But we tried to keep a low profile, but we
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  Speaker 3: were in a perfect perfect We're in the eye of
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  Speaker 3: the store Nefarius whole different. We were in the twister
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  Speaker 3: for all the way through.
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  Speaker 2: So I wanna, I want to I want to get
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  Speaker 2: to some of that because first though, give us the
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  Speaker 2: again people haven't seen maybe some people haven't seen it.
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  Speaker 2: Give us the plot line as best as you can,
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  Speaker 2: and why again, this is such a tremendous opportunity to
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  Speaker 2: present biblical truth here.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, So the setup for the film is that there's
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  Speaker 3: a condemned serial killer played by Sean Patrick Flannery. He's
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  Speaker 3: sitting in Oklahoma State Reformatory here in granted Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 4: Let me just sure he deserves an award.
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  Speaker 2: Hasn't got on. His acting was phenomenal.
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  Speaker 1: So sorry, by the way, we put him in for
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  Speaker 1: an Academy award, and uh, they won't even look at
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  Speaker 1: the paperwork. I'm and there's and I can guarantee you
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  Speaker 1: some ding dong is going to get the Academy Awards.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody who no one knows and because they fit a
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  Speaker 1: certain category or whatever, and hear this guy. This guy's
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  Speaker 1: performance is earth shadow to me've never seen it absolute.
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  Speaker 2: I remember looking going this guy is amazing. So what's
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  Speaker 2: the amazing? Give us the give us the float line. Convicted.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, so he's a convicted serial killer.
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  Speaker 3: It's the day of his schedule for his execution, but
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  Speaker 3: his previous prison psychiatrist has just committed suicide, calling all
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  Speaker 3: of his findings recent findings into question. Well, the state
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  Speaker 3: cannot execute you if you're not insane. They want to
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  Speaker 3: execute someone who's insane. So a court order is an
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  Speaker 3: eleventh hour examination of sanity by psychiatrists. Well, the psychiatrist
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  Speaker 3: arrives at the prison, a new one, yep, a live one,
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  Speaker 3: and the warden warns him. He says, look, this guy
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  Speaker 3: knows what's coming. He's going to get inside your head.
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  Speaker 3: If you let him.
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  Speaker 4: By the time you're done, you'll think you're the killer,
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  Speaker 4: not him. Just don't let him do it.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to try and convince you he's crazy, because
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  Speaker 1: then we can't fry him.
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  Speaker 4: So the shrink says, basically, look, I get lied to
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  Speaker 4: you for eleven I'll figure this out.
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  Speaker 3: He's a social intellectual, he's genius social ags and an atheist.
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  Speaker 2: That's important that the way he's presented, he's what you
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  Speaker 2: would say, is is the epitome of professional again, progressive,
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  Speaker 2: successful and atheist.
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  Speaker 4: He is the man of the world.
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  Speaker 2: He's the man of.
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  Speaker 1: The world designed him that way.
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  Speaker 3: And he walks in and he sits down across from
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  Speaker 3: the serial killer, and in short order, the killer tells him, look,
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  Speaker 3: you've got this all wrong. You think I'm trying to
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  Speaker 3: avoid execution. I want to be executed. I am a
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  Speaker 3: demon in full possession of this human being. And we're
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  Speaker 3: done with him now, it's time for him to go
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  Speaker 3: to hell. And then what happens is two guys across
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  Speaker 3: a table about this size where we are, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a three and a half foot table. One of them
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  Speaker 3: is chained to the table, and a gripping conversation for
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  Speaker 3: the next ninety minutes.
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  Speaker 1: We've reached the gospel for the next ninety minutes, but
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  Speaker 1: people don't realize that we're rereading. This is the most
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  Speaker 1: Christian movie we've ever done. But one of the problems
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  Speaker 1: at which we did I just.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: Wanted to rip for one thing too too.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: Then the demon ups the stakes and he says, by
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: the way I know you don't believe me. I know
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: you don't believe it what I'm saying, but I promise you,
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: before our time together is over, you will have committed
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: three murders.
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: And the psychiatrist dismisses that as.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: How can that happen? Right? And one of the problems
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: that we did is we the trailer and the poster
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: were too extreme. We wanted to bring in the fifteen
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: to twenty nine year old audience because they're so these
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: kids are so obsessed today with the horror movies, and
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: we wanted we wanted to clean them to show them
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: the truth.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: Problem was we scared away the church because they saw
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: the poster with the demonic head and the trailer makes
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: it look like a horror For those people listening. By
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: the way, you got nothing to worry about. I mean,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: this is this is not even the only reason it's
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: an r is because that was political.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: I would show as a pastor, I would show this
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: to the junior high Yeah, that's exactly what.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: That's exactly right. It's not over the top.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: I mean there's no head spinning and doctor Jeremiah looking on.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: Walls and doctor Jeremiah Johnston who's down at Preston Wood
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Baptist down in Dallas, said was one of the earliest
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: people who saw is. He's an Oxford trained theologian. He
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: loved the film and he said, we're showing this to
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: our youth group, and I would recommend it to any
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: youth group. And he's not just everybody, at least a minimum,
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: but he would take it down to that level.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: And the funny thing is now the church is finding
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: out about it. We were the number one Bible study
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: in America. And at the same time, the sales on
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: the movie you know that you can get on Amazon, Apple, whatever, anywhere,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: and the bottom line is that those sales are lifting
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: because the church is just saying Church, I got to
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: see this.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: Licensing is taken off.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they didn't judge the book player.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: Its cover No and and just as an Easter egg
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: for you know.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: The poster for those who haven't seen it, it's a
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: kind of a scary looking demon head, you know, of
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: our lead and he's he's got three faces. That poster
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: was actually designed by Jason Pearson, who did the poster
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: for the Passion of the Christ. He's a total sold
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: out believer. It was done with the best of intentions.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: We we got we guided it a for f for thinking.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: It's kind of like Lloyd, you know what you wrot.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: We're your dummies, so you know whatever you want us
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: to do. We thought we were supposed to go do that,
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: so that's what we did.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: But but noil again in that reson, have you heard
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: about responses in that demographic, in the sense of the
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: target demographic.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean what amazes me is that a fifteen
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: year old nowaday can't stay off their phone for ten seconds.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: They can't not be texting, they can't not be on TikTok,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: they can't. I mean, they're the most active generation in history.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: There's no downtime, right, even when they're sleeping, they want
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: to work and check their messages. Right, and yet they've
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: come into this movie, sit there for two hours, come
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: out of the movie, and we thought we were gonna
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: have problems. They're not bored. They're ranting and raving about it, saying,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I got to show this person, that person is a
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: great movie, and so on. People have seen this movie five, six,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: seven times. I know a person sorted thirteen times. So
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: the whole neighborhood.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you this that I mean, it has such
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: an interest in it, so I think it has something
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: for everybody. And let's see, I have somebody that's not
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: a not a Christian, doesn't understand theology at all. Just
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: the riveting back and forth, it's enough. I mean, like
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: it or not, the world is attracted to the occult.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: So the idea of a demonic presence of a sun plan,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: that's interesting to then, so they'll stick around and listen
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: at least to the conversation. But then if you bring
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: the theological side for a Christian, yet I'm not interested
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: in the occult. I'm interested in the scriptural truth. But
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: yet I look at this and go it was truly.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I mentioned this about Bob, you know, or our partner here,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: that he falls asleep in every single movie I've been.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: We went to Guardians in the Galaxy. Five minutes he
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: was out this one riveted.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Yep, he did not, he was.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: He goes, mom, I've never been anything like it. As
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: soon as it started, that conversation began.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Truly, most difficult thing to do in a movie. Two
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: guys in a room in one room, coming table.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Everybody's tried it. Nobody's there and it's not because of us.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: It's because of the spirit, the spirits sitting there dancing.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: It's it's performing in front of you. It's telling you
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: the truth.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: I think we were allowed a glimpse at diabolical brilliance. Agreed,
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: and that's what resonates. There's a father, Carlos Martins, who
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: has the Exorcist podcast. It's always in the top five
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: faith podcasts. He's his only job is he's an exorcist.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: He lives in a seminary, but he's the only job
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: as an exorcist. He goes to two hundred fifty cities
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: a year. He came to a Premierre he said, this
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: is the most realistic portrayal of what I face on
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: a daily basis that I've ever seen. And Father Chad Ripperger,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: who is Ripperger, who is another again full time exorcist.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: He's like, we actually had listened to some of his stuff,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: and there's some little stuff of his in the film.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: He's like, this is exactly the way it works.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: So if you want to say, if you're a Bible
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: believing person and you want to get a little bit
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: of a glimpse of what the operating system of the
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: demonic is and you're just talking about it. By the way,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: it's not spinning heads and nobody's It's about the demon
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: explaining what the adversaries agenda is and what they intend
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: for humanity.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: This is it.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I think what people forget is in First tim of
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: They four one, it talks about in the last days,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: people will give over, give themselves over to doctrines of demons,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: and demons are teachers. I mean, these are doctrines, These
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: are theological truths that are meant to deceive right, so
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: they understand and even in the film you guys mentioned
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: that he says, I know more theology than the right
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: because they live it in the reality. But there is
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: a total system of demonic teaching or instruction or deception.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: And so what I saw here was how they seek
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: to deceive mankind through what we're seeing now. Again with
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: all the talk about how you guys included, which I
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: thought was brilliant, all the woke stuff, I mean.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Well, that was that was okay, that was a that
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: was a little bit of private fund for us. We'd
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: actually prayed deeply. We'd asked the Lord, you know, how
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: much political stuff do we put in here in the
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: state of the.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: World politically not just and what we got back with
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Carrie particular, got back in pros a little bit.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: And so what happens is we have about so we
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: had to make it as good as we get a
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: minute and a half where we let it rip and
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: I know Steve Daisiel and your and a lot of.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: People that's their favorite sequence. Yes, the whole thing all
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: we did is we looked at what's going on. I mean,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: it's said we pointed a finger right at what's happening
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: in the I mean, there's nothing we said to this.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: And I will tell you what you said before about
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: how do non believers take this movie. We're finding that
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: it's sending them to church, and it's sending them that
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I you know, one guy comes up and he says,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: you know, my friends are Christian. I'm gonna go talk
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: to him about this, you know. And so the non
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: believers this is a thing, they don't see it as gospel.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: By the way, this is a This is one of
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: the things that really profoundly affected us until the bad guys,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: the studios and the critics said and started to go
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: with the agenda of say it's a Christian film. No
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: one who went to see it in the first month
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: or six weeks said it was christ realm. I had
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: people coming up to me saying that wasn't Christian. That
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: was amazing, And I'm thinking of myself in my head,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking that was the most Christian thing we've ever done.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: But because we didn't hit it on the note, because
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: it's a psychological thriller, it doesn't play as horrid plays
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: as a psychological thriller. I would say to your audience too,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: this is the movie where if you're gonna watch this,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: you're gonna rent this, You're gonna look at a DVD
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: you want to have next to you, your family member
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: or your friend walked away from the face.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Yes, you want them on the couch next to you.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: They'll be absolutely entertained.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: The Gospel, as you mentioned, is gonna be is woven
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: through everything in there. We know that Satan speaks a
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: lot of theology, but he seeks to twist it, and
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: all of it's in there. And again the way that
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: the way that you guys did it with the carpenter
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: and the enemy, you know, never uses the name of Jesus,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: never uses God's just I mean and it's just so
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: it's so attractive, it draws you in and be like
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: the carpenter, I imagine that. I don't believer it's gonna
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: go what does that mean? But it's it's going to
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: draw him in to ask well, why why? Who's the carpenter?
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: It's chum on the water, it's where it's how you
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: bring the shocks, you drop blood on the water. And
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: one of the best lines I thought that was amazing
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: is you actually see the demon say the cross was
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: our greatest, greatest mistake, and you understand exactly. Now, wait
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: a second, they're in battle. Another line that we get
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: people bring up all the time is he says that
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: people love is that I didn't realize this was a fight,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: and that's.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: Because you're losing, because that's why you're losing.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: That's why you're losing. So we don't realize it's a fight.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: That's what really we started this conversation on. You know,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: people believe, but do they really.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Because in the film, the whole goal of the demon
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: is he wants to be executed, but on his way down,
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: he wants to destroy the psychiatrist.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: He wants to take that soul with him before.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: He leaves well in the TV show that we're planning
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: to do with this, because we're going to do instead
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: of a sequel to a movie, we're going to do
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: a multi season TV show. The agenda of what the
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Demon and the Devil is really after will come out
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: over the series. But what we're going to do in
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: the TV show I shouldn't say this, but is that
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: as James is pursued some characters and we're talking to
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Jim Covizl who played Jesus, he wants to be in
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: the show as well, whether we can set up the
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: timing and stuff, but he said, I want to be
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: in it. Uh, so we'd have him, Sean Patrick Flannery, Covisel,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Sean Patrick Flannery, and Jordan Belfie. But as we pursue
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: the psychiatrist in the series, we're actually slowly pulling the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: audience to conversion. They don't realize it because he will
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: eventually come to realize that it's all real. Because we
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: get asked all the time, but why didn't you have
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: him convert at the end of the movie, because it
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: would have made it a Christian movie, and that's not
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: what we were looking to do. A Christian should know
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: when somebody has seen a demon, he's gonna become a believer.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: And he even says, I'm having a hard time wrapping
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: my head around a butt. Of course he's got no
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: free but in the series, he will, of course become
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: a believer because it's the only defense against the dogs.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, you can't give away all of it,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: but you know in the sense of even the way
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: that you can't, you're not gonna you know, you're not
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: going to kill a demon.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: So the demon is he's not gonna dis bear, don't die.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: He moves on right, and but he's still watching, and
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: he's still following.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: They can't be cast into the abyss will eventually and
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: then sometimes I'm sure that he puts some of them
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: away because they maybe break a rule or whatever it is.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: But it's gonna be a very very interesting show because
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: people are gonna come to watch the show because it's
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: gonna be interesting, cool and fun like every other TV show.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: What's a time frame on it?
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Uh, well, we're trying to raise funds now, so uh,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: once that happens, yeah, she would think. But from now,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: you know, I think it's gonna be great because realistically,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: what we're doing is the same way we snuck the gospel.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: We God smuggled And when a God smuggled through the TV,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: and the TV affects so many people that it's gonna
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: be conversions in mass here.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: That's the that's the goal.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Faith is the caramel and the Snickers bar. If you
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: eat the bar, you've eating the caramel. You don't really
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: think about it as a separate thing, but you're gonna
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: wind up taking it in.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: That's that's how we And again it's there's this you know, uh, incrustation.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: That's that's you know again, that's you see this little
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: talks about all the time, this pleasure. But that's that's
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: hardens people to not hearing things. And so if you
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: can come alongside and weave it in without coming, like
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: you said, straight on the nose, that then their guard
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: is down and uh, and it works.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: The mirror of the soul. And what when a person's
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: in a movie theater, you know, we did an unusual thing.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: We were shown this in the beginning of our career.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: If you're in a movie theater, imagine a movie theater,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: everybody's looking at the screen right. Well, if you're a
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: movie maker, and you really want to see if you're
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: had an effect. What you do is you let everybody
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: you start the movie. Then you walk down the length
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: the aisle all the way to the screen the side aisle,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: and you turn and look at you or don't watch
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: the movie. You've seen it. Watch the audience, and you'll
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: see that people react in a movie theater unlike any
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: other way that they because their God is holy, so
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: they're very animated. The hands are on their face, they're shaking, No,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: don't do that. And you never have these extreme movements
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: like you know, and it's amazing experience people. The power
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: of the media is so influential, and that's why we
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: do what we do.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: It's this is not a new thought.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: It's twenty five hundred years since Plato tried to ban
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: drama from his idea of the Republic.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: He said, it's too powerful power. It has people react
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: and act in life, in real life, based on emotion
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: rather than logic.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: And rational Lenin Stalin Hitler, MAO, all the great not great.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I don't use that word. All the really really bad
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: guys all said the same thing. If I can control
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: the movie theaters, yep, I can control.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: If you look at it again, not in the sense
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: of well, you could say the left if you want to.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: But what I see is just the the exaggeration, the
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: emotional inflammation or the inflammatory comments that people make. It's
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: it's not based on truth. But if you can get
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: people to get a reaction, then they're not going to
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: think through things and you can control them that way.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, well, I think look at Lennon Hitler maw Right,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: like I just said, now, compare it to what the
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: media is doing to America right now. There it's propaganda.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: It's propaganda, and propaganda works. Otherwise they wouldn't do it exactly.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: And the problem is if you control the propaganda machine,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: which is Hollywood, then you bring out your philosophy. And
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: unfortunately the devil controls Hollywood, which is why we left Hollywood.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: But that's all my mother strong.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Well kind of as the last part here if you
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: don't mind, which I think is I think people would
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: want to hear. This is again we acknowledge again all
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: of us spiritual battles real. We walk out. I get
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: in my car, but I'm walking out not only there,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: but it's here the spiritual battles real. So here you
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: guys are getting ready to film or you are filming,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: and I imagine it was just super easy, no spiritual.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was just a breeze, just a breeze.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I mean never had more fun between that and Hawaii.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm going to set, which.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Is not the case. Kind of give us a couple
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: examples of how the true enemy did not want you
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: guys filming this and sought to interrupt.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: From the beginning, literally every single thing, every step of
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the way.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: Well, the right was terribly difficult then were creating.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: The project was insane.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: He knew what you guys were, he knew where you
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: were heading. Yeah, and so the enemy sought to interrupt it.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it took a year for us to
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: do the script, which normally takes us ten weeks, twelve weeks.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: So we came to Oklahoma to start shooting. We had
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: we were ten days from shooting, and of our fifteen
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: department heads, nine went down with COVID. Carrie spent eight
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: days in the hospital because apparently seven days of hospital food.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: But I will tell you I never felt that was
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: gonna die. It never came to my mind. I felt
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: to spurred on me. The whole time since this was
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: done for some reason. I think it was we were rested,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: but that's a whole nother Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So our health was kind of shattered for a while.
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  Speaker 4: We had to We had already built our set.
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  Speaker 3: Our hero set, and so it was in the Oklahoma
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  Speaker 3: former former arena of the Oklahoma Thunder. So it's you know,
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  Speaker 3: fifty thousand feet or whatever, twenty thousand seat arena. But
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  Speaker 3: we have to keep that set standing for five months
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  Speaker 3: while we're not using it.
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  Speaker 1: And they were less than an understanding. Of course, they
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: had us and they knew it. So that's the beginning.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Every every cell phone, every email, every text, always confusion
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: and not working and not sending or not answering.
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  Speaker 4: Multiple car accidents.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Electronics always getting electronics always failed. We had twelve car crashes,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: all totaled where the person should be dead, not a
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  Speaker 1: scratch on. Anyway.
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  Speaker 3: We had two prayer teams, a husband and wife minister
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  Speaker 3: and his wife who were on set, and they pray
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  Speaker 3: all day. By the way, so they start it starts
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  Speaker 3: with a fifteen minute fifteen minutes before first call, we
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: have a voluntary prayer session and so they conduct that.
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  Speaker 3: We have an exorcist, trained priest for the Catholics. He
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: on about day six or seven after saying Mass. Four
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  Speaker 3: hours later he's undergoing an emergency up in deck tomy.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: His appendix bursts during removal and the surgeon tells him
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: if you came here an hour later, you'll be dead.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. We have the roof of our post facility caps
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  Speaker 1: studios in the whole roof, and I'm talking, there's not
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  Speaker 1: a small building in a rain storm. The rainstorms, yeah, train, yeah, Okay,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: the roof gets ripped off and the building gets filled
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  Speaker 1: like Noah's Ark upside down. But it happens, and that's
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  Speaker 1: all electrical. It happened with the with all the footage.
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  Speaker 3: It happens as best anybody can figure out three o'clock
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  Speaker 3: at two or three o'clock in the morning on a
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  Speaker 3: Saturday morning over the weekend, so no one figures it
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  Speaker 3: out for hours.
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  Speaker 1: So by Monday we're in big trouble. So we had
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  Speaker 1: to evacuate out of there and Troy fun on the place.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: We had uh, our booking agent. The night of well,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: let's go to the night of our theatrical premiere. We
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: had two two demonic two distinct demonic manifestations.
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  Speaker 4: I'll go with the lesser one.
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  Speaker 3: We had planned on having a right of excess formal
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: right of exorcism of place done before the before the showing.
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  Speaker 3: In the half hour before the excess arrived, we had
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  Speaker 3: two women in separate incidents either full or get thrown to.
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  Speaker 1: The lobby, thrown face down right.
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  Speaker 3: There were like, yeah, but this is a totally flat floor.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: There's an enormous floor at Cinemark's world headquarters. There's no
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: reason to fall, there's no.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Lips, no big holes in the ground.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: But the one that was really crazy.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: So we have an interview sweep back at the hotel.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: We're interviewing the stars, we're interviewing the producers and so forth,
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: and all the equipments starts malfunctioning. The sound mixing machine
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: starts dying. The electric is flickering, the light swamp.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Lights are going on and off. But like by the way,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: like a short but like almost like it's in cadence
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: or sequence, but they're roll in a differentate, a weird but.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: It starts getting a little out of hand with the couch.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: There's a voice coming from the couch, so.
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  Speaker 1: No voices coming from the couch.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was voice singular, but yes, it says
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: a voice coming from the couch. I've never seen a
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: tech talking couch. So we called Father Carlos Martin's back
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  Speaker 3: and he had just been interviewed an hour before.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, I know what this is. So he
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: shows up. He's in the door. Looks like a scene
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: out of the Excessus. The door opens because the interview
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: room is dark, so dude lighting. He's in the light
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: in the door. We framed. He's got the black he's got.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: The purple stole, he's got the Latin book, he's got
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: the he's got a Benedictine crucifix with it.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: That that's the Catholic. So he comes in. We're on
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: the fifth floor in this hotel room.
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  Speaker 3: He goes and stands with his back to the French
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  Speaker 3: doors of the balcony. It's a very small balcony, no
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: bigger than this table. He begins to write in Latin,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: and he's going through and we and he goes through
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: the whole thing. Ten minutes later he's done and he
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: says to he yes, there was some disturbance. He said,
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: while I was doing it, behind my right ear, I
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: could hear female demonic voice changing. He says, I couldn't
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: identify the language. That wasn't clear. I couldn't discern it.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: He said.
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  Speaker 3: It continued until I got to the part of the
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: right where I declare, bow now before the Holy and
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Terrible name of Jesus. Terror in the archaic sense of
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, she knocked it off and disappeared.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: After all the voices, the couch stopped talking, the voices
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: in the ear, the lights, everything goes back to normal.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: But I will tell you that palpable the power when
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: the Lord his authority is not debatable. In other words,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: they flee immediately, they tremble, and they know and they
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: and it's ironic. Think about this. We have a world
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: where people do not believe, and demons believe, and they
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: all know. And that's the great deceit. That's why we
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: made the movie to show people. Look, God loves us.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: The devil is the bad guys. So when something bad
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: happens that God doesn't do that, it's the devil. There
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: is good and there is evil. I mean, it's a
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: very powerful when you come to that realization.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: The thing over and over that comes up in deliverance
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: ministry regardless of denomination. The degals are the demons are
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: incredibly legalistic, and they're absolutely aware of authority, who has
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: it and who doesn't. And if the power and authority
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: of Jesus Christ is brought to bear.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Them, it's the hammer of God. A lot of trouble.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: It's telling the Book of Acts. The Sons of Skiva, right,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: you know, they go around, well, we're we assure you
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: in the name of the Jesus that Paul preaches and
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: and he gets he gets whipped. The guy gets beat
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: up and strip naked. But for those because he knows
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: those that truly live in the authority, that are followers
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: of Jesus and those who just are professors.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Of it's amazing, amazing. It's an amazing thing when you
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: see power or you see something like that that was
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: supernatural and then you see the result. It strengthens your
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: faith because you suddenly realize, Oh, God is the creator
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: of everything. He created the angels. So like we saw
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: a thing, uh picture of Jesus and the devil uh
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: doing it arm wrestle. Well, that's blasphemy really, because the
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: bottom line is the devil is not on Jesus. They're
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: not fighting God is God. The devil is an angel.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: The angel could be fighting another angel, a good angel, right,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: that's totally different. Devil can't just can't. He can't even
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: touch the Lord.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: They're they're not They're not equal, and says that they're
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: not equal opposites. He says that if you look at
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: the opposite of Saintan probably Michael. He describes that on
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: the screw tree, blowter is the same thing. But so
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: in that regard, yeah, would there I picture Jesus having
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: all this and then there's one little baby arm trying
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: to arm break.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: He's the creed, the two year old.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: So you know, so let's wrap it up here in
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: this sense, what what do you guys want people to
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: get from this movie? I mean, I hope that continues
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: to go far and wide, and of course you know
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: we offer here at the ministry, where do you guys
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: want people.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: To deepen or renew a sense of commitment to Christ
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: and UH that will protect them, that will protect them
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: in this world and maybe equip them to go out and.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: Bring others to the Father. It's the whole the whole
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: goal on everything we do ultimately is we're not looking
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: to be filmmakers. We're looking to try to conquer the
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: culture for Christ, and we use film and media to
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: try to.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Go do that.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: This is our ministry. So if you can profoundly affect
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: one person, save one soul, then obviously that goes on
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: your resume. You go up to the Lord, he says, Okay,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: you did good, You're in well right. But ultimately, when
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: you make something like this, you also have a message
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: you're trying to bring out. And the message I think
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: really is, like I said before, is Look, God loves
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: you in a profound and powerful way, but he he's
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: not going to force you to love him back. You've
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: got to turn to God, and you've got you've got
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: to plead with God. You've got to he he wants
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: to fulfill you, he wants to save you. And no
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: matter by the way, I mean, we've all heard this
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: before that if Judas had come to the Lord and
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: said to me, forgive me, he would have forgiven Judas.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: So there's nothing anyone is done that goes to that level. Right,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: But Judas didn't turn into him. So that's what we
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: want people to know. Look, there is a God, he
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: loves you, He's merciful, but there is a devil, there's night,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: there's day. There's heads and there's tails, there's white and
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: there's black. There are angels and there are demons, and
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: the demons are very active. And I would say to
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: anyone right now, when you come out of your house
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: in the morning, is everything like it was five or
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: ten years ago? Can you feel it in the air?
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: You can feel that there's something terribly wrong with what's
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: going on in the world. I mean, Israel gets attacked.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: What's going on here? Okay, that's never happened like that
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: before God, what do we know biblically? Bad will become good,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: good will become bad, and it's a sorry time. I
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: believe that this is all happening because the devil knows
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: his time is just here. He comes. We know who's coming.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: We know we win. We do these movies to save
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: as many souls before that, because it's just a matter
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: of the toll that you know, we know we win,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: but how many people are going to get lost? Let's
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: lessen that amount if we can't by preaching the gospel.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Chuck and Cary appreciate you guys time so much for
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: having us on. Yeah, there's listening I encourage you to
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: go to our bookstore and get nefarious. You will not
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: to be disappointed, and I promise you you'll watch it
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: more than once. I guess it's tremendous, so appreciate your
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: watching this week and catch us next time.