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Being Spiritually Smart: Navigating AI · Pass The Rock: Real Talk

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_02: What's up, Brian Daly?
• 0:01
  SPEAKER_02: Good to see you.
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  SPEAKER_00: What's going on, L?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, looking forward to our conversation about how to be spiritually smart.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_02: Last time we talked about going for gold, we're talking about how to be spiritually smart.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_02: So, hey, start off with a prayer, bro.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: God, uh, we thank you for another beautiful day um in St.
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  SPEAKER_00: Louis, Missouri, as well as Pullman, Washington.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for um all you do that we don't always appreciate.
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  SPEAKER_00: The sun coming up, um, the you know, us being far enough that we don't freeze to death from the sun, but close enough, not too close that we we melt, God.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for a roof over our heads, clothes on our back, food to eat, uh, family, our spouses, our kids, our dogs, what you teach us with our dogs, God.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for sport, for the word.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: Allow us to tap into some some topics that are important to our world today, important to faith and sport, important to sport as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: We love you.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's in your son Jesus' name we pray.
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  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
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  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_02: Bro, I love your prayers.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_02: So you made me think how intelligent God is, that everything has a specific design, distance from the sun.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, I got I got a C minus in college chemistry, so I'll so but the balance of nitrogen, hydrogen that we breathe in every day is so intelligent, so smart.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, going off that man, being spiritually smart, how important is it?
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  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, LeBron's got minded game.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love that podcast.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we talked about last time at the highest level of basketball, physically is fast, but mentally is fast as well, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Does God want us to think spiritually and be intelligent as well?
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  SPEAKER_00: Man, I feel like this is an important topic because one thing that's growing in our world is AI.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and whether it's CLOD or Chat GPT or whatever else is out there, um, I'm currently in a program at Baylor and it's theology and sport.
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  SPEAKER_00: And one of the one of the projects that have stemmed from that is what we're doing now.
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  SPEAKER_00: But my professors are are, you know, it's interesting because they're like, we would rather have your organic thoughts um unedited without any AI influence, and even with some errors, than have it just come from AI.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_00: And so um I think when it comes to our wisdom, you know, Proverbs teaches us a lot about wisdom.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can find a lot of wisdom throughout the throughout the Bible, but I think God wants uh our wisdom to be organic from us um and not just you know produced by something else like a computer um and just put out there as if it's as if it's ours.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, can we let me sit on that for a little bit because AI does produce perfect language?
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  SPEAKER_02: I put it, I put some stuff in there for my job, and it's like yeah, professional, perfect.
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  SPEAKER_02: Why would God rather have something personal than perfect?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I think when it's personal, there's relationship.
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  SPEAKER_00: And part of you know, father-son relationship is hey, is seeing our sons grow and learn and being a part of that process.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so without that, you know, I think when I think about how do we grow, how do we learn?
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we make mistakes, um, we do have God's grace, we don't want to waste God's grace, we want to learn from our mistakes and grow and be inspired by God's grace to get up and do it again and and train in different areas of our life, and then through that experience, our relationship grows with God.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so a lot of times our our strength we find in our weaknesses because we have to rely on on Jesus versus, you know, oh, I got this.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, I already know what I'm doing.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't need your help.
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  SPEAKER_00: God, I don't need your help.
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  SPEAKER_00: I got this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's something, you know, and I'm gonna tie this into basketball players.
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  SPEAKER_02: It makes me think of Psalm 139, how we're fearfully and wonderfully made.
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  SPEAKER_02: God knit us together in our mother's womb in secret places, so we're so unique.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, to your point, in which your professor and your master's program is teaching you, I'd rather have your original real thought because that it's you, that's your authentic self versus manufactured thought.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_02: I can't help but think of AI and Kevin Garnett.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay, ball players that are just this is who I am the player AI, not the artificial intelligence.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: We're talking about Alan Iverson, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not that smart to make that kind of a pun or the joke, but yeah, yeah, but it works.
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  SPEAKER_01: Original AI, yep.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: Original AI, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So Alan Iverson, great way to clarify, bro.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Kevin Garnett, super raw, yeah, real.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_02: Alan Iverson tattooed braids, crossover.
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  SPEAKER_02: But if he wasn't his authentic self, history, the game wouldn't have be where it's at today.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Kevin Garnett, and we can go down the line, your favorite ball player, Magic Johnson, at the time where six feet plus guys weren't really point guards and behind the back and showtime.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_02: So there's something to you being original can create opportunities for others and evolve how things are supposed to be.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: Right, absolutely, yeah.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's well said.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right, so I guess we'll go through here.
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  SPEAKER_02: So God wants us to think just like basketball, mind the game, right?
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_02: You gotta think it.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_02: So can you tell me a story, bro, of professional D1, whatever?
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe you yourself or maybe a teammate that was in the game forgot to play, and like maybe coach got on them, or yeah, is there a funny story that you can share about a player for giving the play?
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  SPEAKER_00: Man, so there's a there's a ton I can think of.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: I think my last year, uh, actually, this will have been my first year coaching at Missouri.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was a grad assistant coach, and so one of my roles was record all the plays.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we had uh our coach Quinn Snyder, who's coaching the Atlanta Hawks now, and so this is you talk about like a basketball genius.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that's Coach Snyder, and we had a lot of plays, and so he would often uh I think we had over 80 plays when I was writing them down, keeping track, offense and defense, and then uh people record uh your games, and so they have scout on you, and so he would tweak the plays so that whatever people saw um one week it would change the next week.
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  SPEAKER_00: So trying to learn the plays was was wild.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so I remember if you were, you know, you had to learn from different positions as well, and so uh ultimately what would happen is you you might like there's levels of learning.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: One is you see it written down in a notebook or on chalkboard, and the next one is you run it five on oh, so skeleton.
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  SPEAKER_00: The next one is you scrimmage it with live defense, and then if you can do it in all those situations and levels, now you can do it in the game, and so um, once you're in the game, it's live and um bullets are flying, and so if you make a mistake and someone runs a wrong play, you just gotta adjust on the fly and go for it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, um, and so I I think that was the biggest thing I saw was man, it it is really tough to memorize all the plays.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then in a game, uh, when someone runs it wrong, you just have to make do and go with it.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_00: But that um for some reason, the first story that comes to mind though is as a coach, I was coaching my son's team.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's like fifth grade, and so we put in, I think we have four or five plays.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're just gonna run four or five plays, we'll press most of the game.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: But we call the first play, and he's point guard, and his teammates went to the wrong spot, and so he just picked up the ball and he just goes, You guys aren't running the play right, you're going to the wrong spot, and it's like defenses all over him, you know, jump ball, turnover.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think the the idea I take from that, and I know that's not the professional uh league or college level, but I do think it's similar spiritually, is like you know, Tyson might have been the wisest words Mike Tyson ever said.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone's got a plan until you get punched in the face.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, spiritually, I think it's like that.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_00: You you have a plan, you're like, hey, I'm gonna be able to just go through my day and I'm not gonna have any issues.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: But then when bullets start flying and it doesn't go exactly how you planned, yeah, how do you respond?
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, bro.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for sharing that.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_02: Shout out to your son Luca.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, what scares me about modern Christianity is that so many people are just focused on situations, but not the daily practice of reading their Bible, staying connected with God, really knowing Him.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_02: So they think, Oh, when I get in the situation, I'll know what to do, but you don't even know what the Bible says about some of these situations, so you can't even pivot or even adapt.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_02: You're thinking is oh, God will just forgive me, or hey, I can do all things with Christ, which is true.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, but how do you handle these specific situations?
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think so many people because they don't know God's word, but and some they're so deceived, that's the easy way of saying they're they justify they don't even know the game is going on, you know, so they're not even in the game.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_02: So so bro, I guess my question to that is how do you know if you are in the game or not even in the game?
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_02: How do you you know how can someone spiritually know if you're prepared to be in the game or not?
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: So, like if you're a player versus a spectator, yeah.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_02: How do you know?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you're the man in the arena, or man, you you out the lunch, you know, you're not even in the you're not you on the wide road, yeah.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, that's good, man.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's a great question.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that if you're going, if you're going through your day and you prepare, so you you pray, you do spend some time in your word, but you have a thought of I want God's will to be done, you are going to face opposition.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_00: You'll face opposition in your house, you'll face opposition in your classroom, on campus, on the court, in your sport.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: So are you aware that there is opposition, right?
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh there is a there's a lion, Bible refers to Satan as a lion prowling around, just waiting to devour you.
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  SPEAKER_00: So are you aware of the opposition?
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  SPEAKER_00: And then I think you're in a situation where there is like, you know, hey, we got defense and we're trying to run a play here.
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  SPEAKER_00: What's going on?
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's there's confrontation with my spirit and my sinful nature.
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  SPEAKER_00: So in this confrontation, which one am I gonna follow?
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then those are your battles on a on a you know, as a Christian, you'll have daily battles.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so as you you're living your life and you're confronted with evil or with your sinful nature, how do you respond?
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  SPEAKER_00: And the reality is you're gonna have some wins, you're gonna have some losses.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, true, and so you know, it's funny, mistakes are a part of Christianity, um, but also learning from them, yeah.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like uh Magic Johnson reference, uh hot take Magic Johnson reference, but he led the league in assists most years and turnovers.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: Huh.
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  SPEAKER_00: So as a Christian, when you turn it over, when you make the mistake, do you learn from it?
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: Do you grow from it?
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I think when we live our life saying, All right, I want to follow God's will, I'm gonna make mistakes, I'm gonna learn from them, I'm gonna train and grow.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: Now my life's gonna look much different, yeah.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: Than if I just had no idea there's opposition, not trying to follow the Bible, not reading the Bible to your point, then I'm just a spectator, I'm not even in the game.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, I appreciate that.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, because you're right, we're all gonna mess up and fail no matter how much we prepare for whatever situation it may be.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, this is a good opportunity, I think, share a quick story about myself.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_02: So, man, in my situation, you know, I'm not really of a liar.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_02: Before I became Christian, I used to lie about a bunch of stuff.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_02: But when I became a Christian, my main sin was other stuff, but not lying.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_02: Well, there's a situation that happened with my job, and I didn't want to get in trouble.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_02: So I white lied and wasn't honest about something, and I used the situation to cover up.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_02: I won't go into all the details, but long story short, I covered the situation up, right?
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_02: So I lost that battle.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_02: But biblically, I know what the Bible says about hey, when I sin, or especially when I deceive, what to do with those situations.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_02: So I got open with some brothers and shout out to one of my guys.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_02: He was like, Lawrence, why did you lie?
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, dude, here like but I went to my manager and I turned myself in.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_02: Talks about repentance, eagerness to clear yourself, Second Corinthians about godly sorrow.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, you know what?
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_02: I gotta take responsibility, whatever consequence comes, it may cost me my job, but let me turn myself in.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: My manager of the situation, and long story short, Lawrence is not a big deal.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_02: You know what?
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_02: Next time I move on, yeah.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: But but to your point, but if we don't have, if we don't know what the Bible says on what to do when we mess up, do you're so you're gonna make things worse.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but being smart, being no, okay, what should I do with situations and how do I handle it?
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_02: You gotta have an A, B, C plan, you know.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: I love that, man.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think that process, look, I've been there many times, L.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know me, I've got simple nature, I make mistakes, but the the the courage it takes to go um own it, confess it, whether it's to someone in our house, our kids, our wives, or whether it's to an employer, that is the piece of Christianity.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: That is the amazing grace you experience when you say, I did this, it was wrong by God, and and you know, grateful they had grace on you, and we know God has grace.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: But then that that inspires us to grow from it, to not do it again.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: It does, you know, and I I think that gives us God's way gives us a north compass, a north star to go after.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas we, if we just go off our own and we're not guided by the word or we're not guided by Jesus, we make mistakes.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, and so does uh so does AI, you know.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: And so I was in this workshop and was talking about have use AI as a tool.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, don't find yourself just asking AI questions and doing what AI tells you, but use AI as a tool.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I think three things I took away were AI is wrong over 50% of the time with its answers.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: Secondly, AI speaks in a way that is confident as if they're right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, to your point, they the grammar is gonna be great, they're gonna present something really well, but uh they speak very confidently, but half the time it's incorrect.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: And then the third thing is I don't know if this is new or not, but I use chat GPT, and so I use it um as a tool for some of the work I do day in, day out.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: And at the bottom of the responses on my chat GPT, it says, please make sure to check the answers.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: Chat GPT can be incorrect.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow, and it's kind of slick because it's not in big black bold font, it's small in a light gray font.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I screenshotted it, I I copied and pasted it, and I was like, dang, we've got to check whatever information we're taking in to make sure it lines up with the truth, yeah, and that's God's word, amen.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, basing our opinion based off the Bible.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_02: What you said made me think God could have easily sent his angel or a supernatural being or something directly to humans to teach him, but he doesn't right over and over in the Bible, he always sends people.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: Great point, you know.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_02: So there's something about human interaction that God prefers over even him directly coming, yeah.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_02: And so we can talk about you know, we got a hard stop in two minutes, but there's a part of me that wants to explore that next time.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, what is it about having teammates and a coach that's so important to players, but also spiritually?
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, dude, I love that because so if you guys don't uh don't know, we don't always broadcast this part, but I'll say, hey, let's talk about this next week, and then Lawrence will kind of take that idea and develop it, and then throughout the week, I'll be like, Hey, what do we say we're gonna talk about?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: But man, there was a great question in one of my classes, L.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: And this comes up when we study the Bible with people and we teach them uh the scriptures and we look at scriptures together.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: This question comes up, and so I think it'd be great because one of the differences is people have a soul.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: And the question that I love that came up one of my classes was how do you define soul?
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: So chat GB doesn't have a soul, Claude doesn't have a soul, AI doesn't have a soul, but people do, yeah, as you said, God sent people, yeah.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: So that is one of the major differences.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: No matter what chat does, it won't have a soul.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_02: Nope, I'm getting goosebumps.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_02: There's something about reaching what's deep inside, and something about relationships forces you to explore what do I really think?
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_02: But if you just use AI, it just gives you an answer, it turns off what's inside, and so yeah, I love that.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_02: There's something about relationships that forces you to examine your soul, your inner being.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_02: So, yes, next week we're talking about that.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_02: What is in the soul and why does God, why are teammates so important?
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: Amen, amen.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: I love that, and I will just say this to anyone that's coming up in the ministry.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: If you for your job use chat GPT, whatever it is, make sure you check it because the the biggest nightmare would be you just take an answer from chat, you put it in a sermon or a lesson or your paper, and then it gets checked and it's wrong.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so you know, I'm inspired by the Bereans.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: You can read about them in Acts 17, but it it describes the Bereans with the three E's, they were eager every day.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, they examine the scriptures to see if what Paul was teaching was true, and um, and yeah, they were eager every day and examine the passages to see if what Paul said was true.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I just want to encourage everybody do that, don't just take chat GPT, even your spiritual answers.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, check the Bible.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: If it says certain words are in the Bible a certain amount of times, it's worth it to check.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so use AI as a tool, don't get used as a tool for AI.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_02: Ooh, I like that.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_02: Don't get used.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody wants to be a sucker.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: So nope, nope.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: All right, let me say a prayer, brother.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: We close out.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: Cool, cool.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_02: God, we love you.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_02: Help us to think, be smart, not be dependent on AI or other devices, but man, let that be a tool to serve us.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: But more importantly, God, help us to be smart spiritually, God, that we're prepared each day to uh to fight our spiritual battles, but to find you, to love you, God.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_02: And when we do fail, God, that we we think of what's the best and right response instead of just our emotions control.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: But help us to be smart, Father.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_02: Bless our time, bless everyone who's less than God.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: We need you so much.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: In Jesus' name we pray.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_02: Amen.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: Amen, bro.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: Peace.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: Love you.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: Love you, bro.