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Bonus Episode – Obsessions, Earworms, and RIP Sly Stone · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
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Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking
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Speaker 1: about this week's full episode subject on York. We are
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Speaker 1: previewing the coming episode on the Who and the Riverfront
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Speaker 1: Coliseum disaster, talking I'm so obsessed with you, Blues, and
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Speaker 1: we go through your voicemails, text DMS emails and as always,
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Speaker 1: a whole lot of rosie. Al Right, this goes, let's
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Speaker 1: get into it. So Ricardo Lopez was obsessed with York
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Speaker 1: and nearly killed her, as we just heard in this
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Speaker 1: week's full episode. Mark David Chapman was obsessed with John
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Speaker 1: Lennon and did indeed kill the coolest Beatle. Nathan Gale
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Speaker 1: was obsessed with Pantera, and he shot and murdered their
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Speaker 1: guitar player dined by Daryl when Dyne was on stage
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Speaker 1: with his other band, Damage Plan. Coincidentally on the same
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Speaker 1: date that John Lennon was murdered December eighth, also the
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Speaker 1: same day that Jim Marson was born. Anyways, this theme
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Speaker 1: of obsession got me thinking about musicians and their obsession,
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Speaker 1: so flipping it. So these everything I just talked about
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Speaker 1: was about fans being obsessed with rockstars. This is about
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Speaker 1: musicians who are who themselves are obsessed. Okay, And I
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Speaker 1: thought about how obsessed Kurt Cobaine was with Courtney Love.
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Speaker 1: It's something that I don't think gets enough coverage, but
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Speaker 1: I found it when I was researching Nirvana. For the
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Speaker 1: two episodes that we did in Nirvana, you could see
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Speaker 1: it's clear as day the dude was obsessed with her.
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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of his writings that depict his obsession.
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Speaker 1: So some people would ask, was Kurt even obsessed with Courtney?
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Speaker 1: And the answer I think is absolutely yes he was.
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Speaker 1: Here's an example in one journal entry of Kurtz, he
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Speaker 1: writes about Courtney Courtney, this is a quote, Courtney, when
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Speaker 1: you're not around, I literally can't breathe, I can't think.
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Speaker 1: I feel like a lost child looking for its mother
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Speaker 1: in a department store. I ache for you. I need
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Speaker 1: you so fucking bad it scares me. I want to
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Speaker 1: crawl inside your body and live there now. Of course,
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Speaker 1: Kurt Cobain was a total mess when he died, aside
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Speaker 1: from his relationship with Courtney Love that depending on who
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Speaker 1: you talk to, will be described to you as being
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Speaker 1: toxic or damaged at the time or it's hard to
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Speaker 1: depict that relationship without negativity there at the end. And
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Speaker 1: Kurt was of course depressed and heavily addicted to drugs
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Speaker 1: and had been for some time, and that means, you know,
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Speaker 1: his brains were kind of like oatmeal. But all that said,
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Speaker 1: I often think what would have happened if Kirk Cobain
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Speaker 1: didn't kill himself. How would it have gone for Kurt?
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Speaker 1: And in this context, I'm thinking how would his obsession
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Speaker 1: with Courtney Love have played out, not just in his
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Speaker 1: relationship but in his career. I have thoughts, none of
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Speaker 1: them are good, But I want to keep going down
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Speaker 1: this obsession rabbit hole with you guys. And where the Nirvana,
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Speaker 1: where the Kirk cobeine of it all led me? There
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Speaker 1: aren't any Nirvana songs that I can think of the
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Speaker 1: deal with the type of obsession that we're talking about.
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Speaker 1: Maybe there were I didn't really research. I was just
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Speaker 1: thinking off the top of my head, but it could
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Speaker 1: be thinking, what are some of the other tunes of
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Speaker 1: some other songs of obsession from artists that are bordering
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Speaker 1: on the creepy okay? Songs of obsession that are bordering
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Speaker 1: on the creepy okay? Well, speaking of John Lennon, there's
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Speaker 1: Run for Your Life with it's I'd rather see you dead,
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Speaker 1: little girl than to be with another man now. John
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Speaker 1: Lennon later said, of course, that he regretted writing that song,
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Speaker 1: and I always saw the song as sort of a
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Speaker 1: product of the times. And if you're going to indict
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Speaker 1: anyone here, I'm not letting John Lennon completely off the hook,
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Speaker 1: but you got to indict the times. Okay. John said
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Speaker 1: he regretted it. He always said he regretted that song.
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Speaker 1: And again, I think it's more about the time that
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Speaker 1: the songwriter was working in more than it is an
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Speaker 1: actual statement about a woman that the songwriter was thinking about.
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Speaker 1: And again I'm not excusing John Lennon. I'm not excusing it,
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Speaker 1: but we got to take a new context the era
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Speaker 1: that lyric I'd rather see you dead little girls than
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Speaker 1: to be with another man. It is hardly I want
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Speaker 1: to fuck you like an Animal by Trent and Resnor,
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Speaker 1: which I'm not sure if obsession was on Trend's mind
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Speaker 1: when he wrote that lyric or not, but one could
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Speaker 1: sure as hell make the case. I love that song,
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Speaker 1: by the way, but you know, taken literally kind of
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Speaker 1: fucked up. Also, I'm pretty sure Marilyn Manson claims that
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Speaker 1: he wrote that lyric, that he gave Trent that idea.
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Speaker 1: That's a whole other wormhole. But let's stay in the
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Speaker 1: creepy obsession song wormhole for a minute. Okay, And thinking
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Speaker 1: about this, I came a I don't know why, but
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Speaker 1: Sarah McLaughlin just she cracks me up.
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Speaker 2: I don't know why.
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Speaker 1: She's like the most self serious, least funny person out there.
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Speaker 1: Although she was in an episode of PORTLANDBIA, so I
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Speaker 1: gotta give her some credit. But anyway, Sarah mclochlin, check
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Speaker 1: this out. This is so fucked up. Sarah maclachlin had
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Speaker 1: a super fan, an obsessed fan, a computer programming fan
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Speaker 1: from Canada. Okay, so I'm assuming a nerd and he
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Speaker 1: wrote her all these creepy letters, very very disturbing stuff.
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Speaker 1: Sarah McLachlin then took some of the Stalker's own words
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Speaker 1: from those letters and used them in a song that
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Speaker 1: she wrote about obsession called Session the Stalker. This is
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Speaker 1: where it gets weird. The Stalker then sued Sarah McLachlan
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Speaker 1: for plagiarizing his words, which she admitted she had done that.
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Speaker 1: She didn't admit plagiarism, but she admitted she used the words.
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Speaker 1: Wasn't like she was plagiarizing on purpose, trying to pass
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Speaker 1: it off as her own work, you know, to kind
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Speaker 1: of get by on people. She was blurring her life
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Speaker 1: with her art in a pretty awesome way, I would say,
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Speaker 1: and also obviously very creepy in a good way. But
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Speaker 1: to make the story even weirder, the case that was
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Speaker 1: brought by the Stalker against Sarah McLaughlin was never resolved
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Speaker 1: because the stalker killed himself. Super Dark, Super dark, Sarah
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Speaker 1: McLaughlin Dark the music's dark too, or shit's dark really
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Speaker 1: is for somebody so innocent looking. By the way, there's
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Speaker 1: a fantastic video going around the internet of these two
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Speaker 1: do at this at a karaoke club and they get
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Speaker 1: up to sing whatever song Sarah McLaughlin uses in that
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Speaker 1: commercial she does with the dogs that she's trying to save,
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Speaker 1: where the dogs are all in cages and the dogs
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Speaker 1: are all beat to shit, and you know, she's this
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Speaker 1: is her charity, this is the thing she's doing, and
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Speaker 1: I'm not making fun of it. It's a great thing
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Speaker 1: that she's doing, whatever this foundation is. But we've all
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Speaker 1: seen this commercial, I think, and you know, Sarah, in
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Speaker 1: addition to the images of the dogs which are truly horrific,
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Speaker 1: Sarah McLaughlin a very obviously self serious kind of way,
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Speaker 1: is given the vo on the trauma of these dogs
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Speaker 1: are facing and why people need to send their money
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Speaker 1: to this foundation. So back to this video that's going
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Speaker 1: around the internet, which is hysterical. These two dudes are
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Speaker 1: at a karaoke bar and they get up and they
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Speaker 1: choose this song and one dude is singing the Sarah
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Speaker 1: McLachlin part, and the other dude is reading the vo
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Speaker 1: from the commercial about the dogs and the reaction on
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Speaker 1: the people's face in the carryo it's this fucking priceis
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Speaker 1: It's so good? Google?
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Speaker 3: That? All right?
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Speaker 1: What other songs? What other creepy obsession songs are there,
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Speaker 1: inspired here by Buorick and Ricardo Lopez, their Stan of course,
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Speaker 1: by your favorite and mine apparently Eminem. We all know
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Speaker 1: that song, so I'm not going to go into it here.
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Speaker 1: There's a ton of these that we know about one
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Speaker 1: way or another by Blondie, which those lyrics deserve another look. Okay,
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Speaker 1: check those out. Another listen Every Breath You Take by
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Speaker 1: the Police. That's not even worth mentioning, it's so overplayed.
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Speaker 1: But check out Tom Jones is Delilah all right? Where
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Speaker 1: the pov from the singer and the song is about
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Speaker 1: murdering a woman for literally murdering a woman for being
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Speaker 1: with someone else, Tom Jones, I didn't know you had it?
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Speaker 1: Inya one more here, okay, And this is this is
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Speaker 1: a great song with or without the obsession context. Here
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Speaker 1: Frankie tear Drop by Suicide. Great, great, great song and
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Speaker 1: super creepy. Now it's it's more of a modern murder ballad.
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Speaker 1: Then it is a song about obsession, but it's got
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Speaker 1: a lot of obsession in it, and it's just damn good.
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Speaker 1: And if you don't know the song, it is a
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Speaker 1: great introduction into one of the coolest bands to ever do,
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Speaker 1: a band who influenced everyone from Bruce Springsteen to Radiohead. Okay,
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Speaker 1: actually this is reminded me of one more song about obsession.
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Speaker 1: I mentioned murder ballad, So Knoxville Girl by Louvin Brothers
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Speaker 1: is a murder ballad and it is clearly about obsession.
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Speaker 1: Lots of versions of Knoxville Girl, including one by the Lemonheads,
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Speaker 1: but the Luvin Brothers is the best version. Knoxville Girl
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Speaker 1: might be the song that got me into country music
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Speaker 1: and superstoke my love for music and crime. It's the
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Speaker 1: story of one man being obsessed with a woman and
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Speaker 1: not being able to deal in Well. I don't want
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Speaker 1: to spoil it for you, but go check it out.
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Speaker 1: Go listen to Knoxville Girl and listen to the Louvin
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Speaker 1: Brothers version of it. All right, l ou Vin Luvin
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Speaker 1: And speaking of the Lemonheads, their new single it's really
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Speaker 1: fucking good. It's called Deep End. Jam Ascus and Juliana
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Speaker 1: Hatfield are on the track and it rocks. It's fantastic.
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Speaker 1: Can't wait for the full album. Dando bring it all right.
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Speaker 1: Thank you b Yorke for sending us down this obsession
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Speaker 1: rabbit hole. Check out the Buyorick episode if you haven't
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Speaker 1: already released it just this week. Also this week, we've
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Speaker 1: got our Rewind episode coming up next right after this episode,
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Speaker 1: and that's on Amy Winehouse speaking of obsession, Blake Fielder,
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Speaker 1: Much Amy. And then next week we've got our new
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Speaker 1: episode on the Who coming No Obsession here. This is
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Speaker 1: a part two of sorts. It's a continuation of the
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Speaker 1: Who story that we started a while ago that's centered
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Speaker 1: around Keith Moon. Part two episode deals with the Riverfront
10:34
Speaker 1: Colisseum tragedy, commonly referred to by mistake as a stampede.
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Speaker 1: It was not a stampede. You have to listen to
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Speaker 1: hear what I'm talking about and hear what this actually was.
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Speaker 1: But when you're listening to the Who episode, be thinking
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Speaker 1: about all the tragedies that we've talked about from rock
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Speaker 1: and roll history. We've talked about a lot of them,
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Speaker 1: and let me know or anyone can be any rock
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Speaker 1: and roll tragedy even once we haven't talked about, And
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Speaker 1: let me know if the Who Riverfront tragedy is the
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Speaker 1: worst rock and roll tragedy and music history, and if not,
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Speaker 1: what is all right? We could do a whole season
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Speaker 1: on this I'm not going to, but it's interesting to
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Speaker 1: talk about because the details are often horrific and just
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Speaker 1: very vivid and great for storytelling. So call me with
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Speaker 1: the question of the Week at Disgrace Lam Pod on
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Speaker 1: the Socials. Man, I got this song on my fucking
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Speaker 1: head right now.
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Speaker 1: What is that? What is that song? It sounds like
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Speaker 1: a friggin ninety sitcom? What is that? What is that song?
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Speaker 1: I don't hate it, but something tells me I hated
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Speaker 1: it a long time ago. Let me know what I'm
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Speaker 1: thinking about. All right, I gotta take a quick break.
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Speaker 1: I need a drink. Clearly you can probably hear it
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Speaker 1: in my voice and I will be back in a
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Speaker 1: That's going to ensure that you get all of our
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Speaker 1: episodes delivered. You don't miss anything, all right. Sly Stone
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Speaker 1: died this week. Just a real bummer. Sly Stone was
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Speaker 1: an amazing artist, of course, a revolutionary artist, one of
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Speaker 1: the greatest artists in my estimation, to come out of
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Speaker 1: the so called peace and love generation. Whatever you want
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Speaker 1: to refor to do it as. Sly of course had
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Speaker 1: his demons well documented in our Disgrace and episode. But
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Speaker 1: Sly also shows up in a couple other episodes. Our
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Speaker 1: Woodstock episode, our WHO episode, the first WHO episode. That's
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Speaker 1: because the Sly and the family Stone performance at Woodstock
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Speaker 1: is the best performance at Woodstock. They went on super
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Speaker 1: late and they just completely tore it up, owned the crowd,
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Speaker 1: just incredible. Sly also shows up in one of our
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Speaker 1: Fleetwood Mac episodes. I believe it's the one I believe
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Speaker 1: it's part two when we get into the recording of rumors.
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Speaker 1: If memory serves Lindsey Buckingham, they went up to I
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Speaker 1: believe it's in Salsilito. Is that where sly had a studio,
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Somewhere in northern California, and sly had
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Speaker 1: built this pit in the studio where he could lounge
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Speaker 1: and listen to music and record. And there are all
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Speaker 1: these kind of weird little additions to the studio that
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Speaker 1: sly had made that were sort of to I don't know,
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Speaker 1: enhance his state of mind, so to speak. Regardless of
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Speaker 1: disgrace and regardless of anything we do here, of course,
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Speaker 1: sly Stone is one of the greatest to do it ever,
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Speaker 1: and he's left a tremendous legacy of music behind sly
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Speaker 1: Stone Rest in peace. Six one seven nine oh six,
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Speaker 1: six six three eight. Hanging on the telephone with you
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Speaker 1: guys every week. I'm in the phone booth, the same one.
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Speaker 1: It's the one across the hall, hanging on the telephone.
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Speaker 1: You want to send me a voicemail, you want to
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Speaker 1: send me a text us check out Eric, Eric, Eric,
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Speaker 1: where you're at Eric? In the eight oh five, Hey.
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Speaker 3: Jay, Eric from uh oh, California, now in Tennessee. Love
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Speaker 3: for your show, just listening to the Marilyn Manson episode
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Speaker 3: Love his first three albums. Knew about his uh accusations
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Speaker 3: and weirdness, But after listening to your episode, Oh my god,
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Speaker 3: oh my god, I don't know if I could listen
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Speaker 3: to his music anymore.
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Speaker 1: At uh.
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, just.
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Speaker 1: Uh wow, uh yeah. Eric, sounds like we fucked you
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Speaker 1: up with that Marilyn Manson episode. Um, you know, take
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Speaker 1: some time, take some long baths, you know, clean yourself off,
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Speaker 1: get all that Manson filth Offia. You might be able
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Speaker 1: to come back to the music. Maybe perhaps we shall see.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for the call, Eric, All right, let's check out
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Speaker 1: Chips in the three oh three.
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Speaker 3: Yo. This is Chips from the three oh three, your friendly
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Speaker 3: neighborhood janitor scrubbing floors. You're asking about crimey books a
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Speaker 3: few weeks ago. I'm really behind on Bones episodes. I'm
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Speaker 3: trying to catch up right now. But uh, you asked
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Speaker 3: for a few, I only got one. Maybe I've been
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Speaker 3: reading books with my lady just outside on the porch
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Speaker 3: while smoking or et cetera. And The Lovely Bones is
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Speaker 3: a really good book about I mean it's told from
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Speaker 3: the perspective of a dead girl, so it's very existential
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Speaker 3: and kind of crimey. I wouldn't say deeply crimy, but
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Speaker 3: I mean the the whole story revolves around the crime
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Speaker 3: that was committed on her when she died. And it's
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Speaker 3: it's super cool, super emotional, a little bit hampy. Honestly,
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Speaker 3: some parts of it can be like h but it
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Speaker 3: really grips you hold and got a good narrative. Anyway,
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Speaker 3: check it out.
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Speaker 1: Goodbye, Chips, Thanks for the call. Appreciate you man, Appreciate
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Speaker 1: you listen to us while out there scrubbing the floor
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Speaker 1: is doing the hard work. I had that job once
16:53
Speaker 1: as a young man, back when I was in a band,
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Speaker 1: so I know the sweat and the elbow grease and yea.
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Speaker 1: I love that we're in your ears while you're working.
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Speaker 1: Someone's recommended this book before The Lovely Bones, and what
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Speaker 1: I love about how you set it up is it's
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Speaker 1: a great what if. You know, it's sort of I
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Speaker 1: heard someone say once that to write a great book
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Speaker 1: you have to start with what if, and it has
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Speaker 1: to be this like really insane thing. What if the
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Speaker 1: dead person told the story of their murder. You know
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Speaker 1: what I mean. It's a good It's it's good. So
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Speaker 1: I'm intrigued, so I appreciate it. Chips six one seven
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Speaker 1: nine or six six six three, You guys want to
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Speaker 1: leave me a voicemail, give me a call. We can
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Speaker 1: talk about anything. We can talk about Marilyn Manson. We
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Speaker 1: can talk about b York. We can talk about the
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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Pirates, we can talk about the Philadelphia Phillies, which
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Speaker 1: I don't understand why this is coming in, but hey
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Speaker 1: says from the eight oh three here, as a long
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Speaker 1: suffering Phillies fan, I feel your pain with the Red Sox.
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Speaker 1: All right, slow down, long suffering Phillies fan. Did you
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Speaker 1: guys win the World Series a couple of years ago?
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Speaker 1: Aren't you in the playoffs? Like every fricking year. I
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Speaker 1: don't know how the Phillies are doing this year? As
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Speaker 1: bad as the Pirates, probably not as bad as the
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Speaker 1: Red Sox either. They were doing pretty damn good last
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Speaker 1: I checked, which was I don't know three four weeks ago,
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Speaker 1: eight or three. Goes on to recommend some you know
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Speaker 1: some what is it? It's like it's basically like a
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Speaker 1: Red Sox snuff film. It's about Game seven eighty six.
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Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good eight oh three. My man Ish
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Speaker 1: from the seven eighty to one Massachusetts. Hey, man, it's Ish,
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Speaker 1: hope all as well. Figured i'd share so much intrigue.
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Speaker 1: It's a nineteen seventy nine World champion Pittsburgh Pirates hat.
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Speaker 1: Did you guys hear two after parties ago? For all
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Speaker 1: the Pirates fans out there two after parties ago, I
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Speaker 1: were very astute. Producer Matt Boden At the end of
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Speaker 1: the episode, the very end, after I read the billboard charts,
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Speaker 1: Matt played a little bit of Pirate's history. Now I
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Speaker 1: heard it, and I meant to ask Matt what the
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Speaker 1: hell that was, because I had no idea and that
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Speaker 1: is space and I forgot about it and he brought
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Speaker 1: it up.
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Speaker 3: Hey.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if any Pirates fans heard that and figured
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Speaker 1: it out, and none of you did. All you guys
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Speaker 1: are sending me in pictures of your hats like Ish
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Speaker 1: here with this nineteen seventy nine World Championships Pittsburgh Pirates
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Speaker 1: T shirt with the pillbox Pirates hat on it, Pictures
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Speaker 1: of Riverfront whatever the hell that stadium is called? Is
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Speaker 1: that what it's called pack Son. What's it called Tupac Stadium,
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Speaker 1: Tupac Shakira Stadium in Pittsburgh. But no one picked up
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Speaker 1: on that little bit of Pirate's history that we had
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Speaker 1: in the after party. For you guys, go back and
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Speaker 1: listen two after parties you go. I believe it's the one,
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Speaker 1: the after party that came right after the Gogs episode
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Speaker 1: nine to two to zero writes in Hey, I saw
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Speaker 1: nine inch Nails Downward Spiral tour with Manson in the
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Speaker 1: Jim Rose Circus. Look into the Jim Row Circus, man,
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Speaker 1: you don't need to tell me to look into the
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Speaker 1: gym Ro circus. I saw the Jim Ro Circus as well.
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Speaker 1: First Lollapalooza. Manson writes about that tour in the book
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Speaker 1: all Right, eight O eight Texan. In regards to this
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Speaker 1: list that we talked about in the bonus section of
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Speaker 1: last week's after Party, we talked about it was the
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Speaker 1: list we found of the worst bands of the nineties.
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Speaker 1: It was a very interesting list for a bunch of reasons,
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Speaker 1: and one of them I don't totally agree with Ata
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Speaker 1: eight here, but eight O Wait is saying, in regard
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Speaker 1: to the worst bands of the nineties. I'll be one
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Speaker 1: to say I like music from all those bands and
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Speaker 1: still listen to this day. This list just reflects how
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Speaker 1: awesome the nineties were. If that's the worst, and that's
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Speaker 1: a damn good point. Shane from the eight one to
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Speaker 1: six where it said, Hey, Jacob Shane from the eight
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Speaker 1: one to six, worst band of the nineties as well
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Speaker 1: as the two thousands and even the eighties is fucking ICP,
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Speaker 1: hands down the worst shit ever. All caps eight one
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Speaker 1: six has really worked up about ICP. I'm assuming ICP
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Speaker 1: is insane clown Posse. Was insane clown posse around in
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Speaker 1: the eighties. We need to do an insane clown Posse episode.
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Speaker 1: That's one of those subjects I'm not very familiar with,
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Speaker 1: and I'm kind of afraid of what the research is
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Speaker 1: going to do to me, but I'm here for it.
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Speaker 1: Six one seven nine oh six six six three eight.
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Speaker 1: You guys want to hit me up on voicemail, on text,
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Speaker 1: hit me about anything you want to talk about, Insane
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Speaker 1: clown Posse, Pittsburgh pirates, true crime, thrillers, novels. All right,
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Speaker 1: Allen rights in and that's a Llyn at disgrace landpod
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Speaker 1: on Instagram. Hey Allen from the six one nine. I've
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Speaker 1: been a Disgrayland fans since the very beginning, turning everyone
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Speaker 1: I know out of your greatness. I grew up in
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Speaker 1: Bakersfield but now live in San Diego. In a while back,
21:29
Speaker 1: I was driving up to visit my parents who still
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Speaker 1: live there, and figured it would be the perfect time
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Speaker 1: to re listen to your Merle Haggard episode. I thought
21:36
Speaker 1: I'd have to dig through the archives, but wouldn't you know,
21:38
Speaker 1: it was that week's rewind episode and there it was,
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Speaker 1: at the top of the Disgraceland feed. I timed it
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Speaker 1: perfectly as I hit play coming out of the mountains
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Speaker 1: on the ninety nine Freeway transition at the base of
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Speaker 1: the Grapevine for the final forty minute stretch. It ended
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Speaker 1: right when I pulled up to their house, which happens
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Speaker 1: to be right next to Merle's old part of town
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Speaker 1: in Oildale. I took a screenshot on my phone to
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Speaker 1: commemorate the and then he includes the screenshot here in
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Speaker 1: the DM and I think that's damn cool, Alan, very cool. Guys.
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Speaker 1: Want to hit me up about where you listen to
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Speaker 1: Disgrace Slam, Go ahead, you can do that on Instagram.
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Speaker 1: You can do that six one seven nine O six
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Speaker 1: six six three eight by voicemail or text. I'm around
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Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to talking. What I don't want
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Speaker 1: to talk about, though, is the Red Sox. But I
22:23
Speaker 1: gotta do it. Just a little Matt, give you that,
22:24
Speaker 1: give me the ticker. Here comes, here comes, it comes
22:26
Speaker 1: to sports ran a little thirty second sports rant. Now, listen,
22:29
Speaker 1: the Red Sox took two out of three from the Yankees.
22:32
Speaker 1: This is just to tease people. This isn't real. This
22:36
Speaker 1: is a sugar high. This is They're not a good team. Okay,
22:40
Speaker 1: as much as it pains me to say that, they're
22:42
Speaker 1: not a good team. And you know how I know
22:45
Speaker 1: that because Raffie Devers is still on the team. And
22:48
Speaker 1: you know why I'm saying that because I don't like
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Speaker 1: Raffi Devers. I think the guy, you know, I know,
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Speaker 1: he hit a monster shot against the Yankees, home run,
22:54
Speaker 1: but you know what, he hit it after he dogged
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Speaker 1: it to first base. He could have run that out.
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Speaker 1: He could have easily had a hit. But no, no,
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Speaker 1: it's just it's indicative of his overall selfish, bullshit play.
23:08
Speaker 1: If the guy would just fucking play first base. So
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Speaker 1: many of our problems would be solved. That's it, Bud.
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Speaker 1: He won't and we're screwed because we don't have good leadership.
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Speaker 1: And what can I say, the Red Sox, it's like
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Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties now worse than that early nineties. That's
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Speaker 1: what we're dealing with here. It's a bunch of bullshit.
23:28
Speaker 1: It's got to change. Help me change it. Don't make
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Speaker 1: me a Pittsburgh Pirates fan, please please. I'm rooting for
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Speaker 1: the Mets. I'm putting all my energy in a rooting
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Speaker 1: for the Mets right now. I say that, but I'm not.
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Speaker 1: I haven't watched a Mets game since the last time
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Speaker 1: we talked. But I don't know, man, I don't the
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Speaker 1: Red Sox. All Right, I gotta stop talking. I'll be
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Speaker 1: back in the flash with your talking to your emails
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Speaker 1: and a little bit of a Hollywood man.
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Speaker 4: All Right, we are back, and you know what time
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Speaker 4: it is.
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Speaker 1: It's time for the hollywood Land Minute, brought to you
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Speaker 1: by the Hollywood Land Podcast. Yes, exciting news. I know
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Speaker 1: I brought to you last week, but I'm gonna bring
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Speaker 1: it to you again this week because I'm getting the
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Speaker 1: message out. Okay, I'm staying on message. We added bonus
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Speaker 1: episodes to Hollywood Land the Rap Party, and they're not
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Speaker 1: the same as the after Party. These are different. This
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Speaker 1: is me and My Man's Death sitting there every week
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Speaker 1: chopping it up, talking about that episode, but also talking
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Speaker 1: about our recommendations, what we're getting into as it relates
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Speaker 1: to that hollywood Land subject. This week we got into
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Speaker 1: John Belushi. Now, if you don't know what hollywood Land is,
24:42
Speaker 1: it's Hollywood and true crime. It's very similar to Disgraceland.
24:46
Speaker 1: I host the shows. The bonus episodes, however, are co hosted,
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Speaker 1: like I just said by myself in My Man's Death.
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Speaker 1: We have a ton of episodes in the archive, episodes
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Speaker 1: on Drew Barrymore, John Waters, David Lynch, Jack Nicholson. Just
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Speaker 1: this week we got our John Belushi episode in the feed.
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Speaker 1: Check that out. We're gonna have a new bonus episode
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Speaker 1: coming up. We're talking about I'm talking about anyways, music
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Speaker 1: that John Belushi inspired me to listen to. Zeth goes
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Speaker 1: into a bunch of sort of great big Man comics
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Speaker 1: and big Man stars from the past, and we get
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Speaker 1: into the Blushi episode as well. Check this out go
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Speaker 1: subscribe to Hollywood Land if you're not already, here's a
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Speaker 1: little taste of what I'm talking about. We may or
25:28
Speaker 1: may not know. I don't know how many of you
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Speaker 1: know this, but in the early eighties, Fear, the punk band,
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Speaker 1: played on SML. Right, Zeth, you're well aware of this.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and Belushi was responsible for getting Fear the
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Speaker 1: gig and complete mayhem erupted when they played. All these
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Speaker 1: kids started slam dancing. Now you gotta think, this is
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Speaker 1: like Zeth. What year is this, like eighty one something
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Speaker 1: like that, so early. Yeah, of your TV viewing audience
25:54
Speaker 1: at home and never seen shit like that before, So
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Speaker 1: I thought I would, you know, for those of you
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Speaker 1: who are interested in hardcore, this is a great introduction
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Speaker 1: Visa v John Belushi. And there's if you want to
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Speaker 1: hear some of the music made by the kids in
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Speaker 1: that crowd, the New York harcore compilation on Revelation Records
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Speaker 1: that came out and I believe nineteen eighty nine, perhaps
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Speaker 1: eighty eight. It's called Where the Wild Things Are. It's
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Speaker 1: a New York hardcore comp grab that. There's also this
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Speaker 1: book Zeth. You can see if it's a book of photographs.
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Speaker 1: If you're interested in the DC hardcore end of the spectrum,
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Speaker 1: this is called bandon DC Photos and anecdotes from the
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Speaker 1: DC Punk Underground nineteen seventy ninety eighty five. But these
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Speaker 1: photos are amazing at HR from the bad brains there
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Speaker 1: on the pod, Cole, a bunch of these kids. We're
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Speaker 1: in the SNL audience, rubbing shoulders up with John Belushi.
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Speaker 1: All right, there you go. That's a little bit of Hollywood.
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Speaker 1: go get it. As you just heard there, we had
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Speaker 1: a little bit of the recommendations I love the recommendations piece.
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Speaker 1: I love talking Rex. You guys, give me your Rex.
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Speaker 1: Gonna be doing a little bit more of that in
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Speaker 1: the bonus section of this episode. This here after Party,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna be talking about books, little film, little little film,
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Speaker 1: little TV. Gonna get into it. I'm psyched. But if
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27:43
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Speaker 1: comes from Alphie mctigue, subject niche punk bands under the Radar.
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Speaker 1: Hi there, I'm Alfie here in England, borne Mouth. I
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Speaker 1: know I'm not pronouncing that correctly. It's spelled b o
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Speaker 1: u r n E m o u t h. I
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Speaker 1: apologize for butchering the name of the town you're from, Alfie.
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Speaker 1: Alfie goes on to say live here in England specifically,
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Speaker 1: and was curious to whether you could look into some
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Speaker 1: bands that have fallen into some obscurity over the years,
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Speaker 1: the Mighty Muddy Bostones, Agent Orange and Sloppy Seconds. I
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Speaker 1: know the Bostones are very well known in the US,
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Speaker 1: but not so much in the UK. Well, I'm from
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Speaker 1: Boston there, Alfi, so they're, you know, very well known
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Speaker 1: to me. I've know some of those guys. I'm friends
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Speaker 1: with a couple of them. I first saw the Mighty
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Speaker 1: Mighty Bostones play Alfie when I was sixteen years old
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Speaker 1: at the Worcester Artist Group. My band cast Iron Hike
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Speaker 1: was lucky enough to play with the Bostones numerous times.
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Speaker 1: I even had another band, I think when I was
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Speaker 1: in a band called the Whitey Bulgers, or maybe it
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Speaker 1: was a confidence man. I think we played with the
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Speaker 1: Bostones as well. Just the best fucking dudes. No crimes
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Speaker 1: there though, so I don't know. I don't think there's
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Speaker 1: a Bostones episode coming anytime soon, but I'm happy to
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Speaker 1: talk to you about them on the side here. You
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Speaker 1: want to keep emailing me Agent Orange and Sloppy Seconds,
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Speaker 1: I don't know much about but I will check into it.
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Speaker 1: And if you, Alfie, know of any crimes related to
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Speaker 1: those two bands you want me to look into, that
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Speaker 1: can kind of write a story around. Hit me back up.
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Speaker 1: listen tons of episodes in the archive Disgraceland Disco's the
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Speaker 1: heads know this, but the new listeners we get over
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Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty five episodes, full episodes for you
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Speaker 1: to binge to check out on so many different artists.
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Speaker 1: I usually recap here at the end of the show.
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Speaker 1: I mentioned just sort of bring attention to some of
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Speaker 1: the artists we've talked about already in this episode, and
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Speaker 1: if we've done episodes on them in the past, and
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Speaker 1: we have, there's a whole bunch a couple of them.
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Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen, Nirvana. We got two episodes on Nirvana. We've
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Speaker 1: got a great episode on Pantera. There's a Blondie episode.
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Speaker 1: No suicide episode yet, but maybe someday there will be.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's recap. I got a lot to do today.
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Speaker 1: Still I'm leaving them arow. I'm going a little vacation,
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Speaker 1: recording this episode a little early. It's still gonna pack tonight.
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Speaker 1: I gotta record a bunch of ads and I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: try to get a swim in too, so damn I
30:40
Speaker 1: get a boogie. So let's recap number one. My other podcast,
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Speaker 1: hollywood Land. It's alive and it is kicking hard over
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Speaker 1: in the Hollywoodland Feed. So make sure you are subscribed
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Speaker 1: and following Hollywoodland and Apple Podcast, Spotify or wherever you
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Speaker 1: get your podcasts, and check out our recent hollywood Land
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Speaker 1: episode on John Belushi and also don't sleep on the
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Speaker 1: Wrap Party me and Zeth chopping it up over the
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Speaker 1: number two right now on your disgrace Land Feed, our
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Speaker 1: very latest brand new our episode on b York number
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Speaker 1: three coming tomorrow, our Rewind episode on Amy Winehouse, and
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Speaker 1: next Tuesday, our part two on the Who. This one
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Speaker 1: gets into the Riverfront Colisseum Tragedy number four merch Winners
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Speaker 1: getting touched. You know you're shit. I forgot to read
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Speaker 1: the reviews this week.
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Speaker 3: Damn it.
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Speaker 1: I can't go back now, I can't, I can't, I shan't,
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Speaker 1: I shunt I fucked it up. Merch winners. There are
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Speaker 1: none of the There are none of you this week.
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Speaker 1: Oh well, we'll do it next week, all right. Leave
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Speaker 1: a review for Disgraceland on Apple Podcasts, Spotify wherever number five. Remember,
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Speaker 1: no one cares about preserving the true spirit of rock
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Speaker 1: and roll more than you do. And well that's a disgrace.
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Speaker 1: All right, and honor this week's subject, B York. This
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Speaker 1: is me reading you the Billboard charts from the day
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Speaker 1: B York was born on November twelfth, nineteen sixty five.
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Speaker 1: Number one, Get off of my Cloud. The Rolling Stones
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Speaker 1: last week one, peak position one weeks on chart six,
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Speaker 1: number two. A Lover's Concerto The Toys last week to
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Speaker 1: peak position two weeks on chart number three one two
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Speaker 1: three Len Barrits last week eight, peak position three weeks
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Speaker 1: weeks on chart three eighty two, number number four. Then
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Speaker 1: You're the one. The Vogues last position six, peak position
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Speaker 1: four weeks on chart weeks one, number five. I hear
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Speaker 1: a symphon the Supremes last peak position. Quit talking and
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Speaker 1: start mixing.