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162. Samantha Gash, Endurance Athlete & Social Impact Entrepreneur · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: We finished these experiences where things happen at side of
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  Speaker 1: our control and they're really horrific. We never expected it.
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  Speaker 1: We have a choice. Is this going to form part
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  Speaker 1: of our narrative that negatively impacts every single thing that
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  Speaker 1: we do in the future, or is it just a
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  Speaker 1: part of what you've experienced and maybe, just maybe it
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  Speaker 1: can become part of your superpower.
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  Speaker 2: Hey everyone, Emily Abodi here bringing you episode one sixty
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  Speaker 2: two of Hurdle, a Weileness focused podcast where I sit
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  Speaker 2: down with inspiring individuals to talk about big ones, tough moments,
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  Speaker 2: and everything in between. On the show, you can expect vulnerability, motivation,
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  Speaker 2: and candid discussions with everyone from top athletes and CEOs
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  Speaker 2: to aspiring entrepreneurs and what it really takes to follow
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  Speaker 2: your passion. My mission is simple to inspire you to
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  Speaker 2: be your best self, move with intention, and have some
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  Speaker 2: fun along the way. I know you're probably wondering what
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  Speaker 2: is going on.
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  Speaker 3: Where is hurtle moment?
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  Speaker 2: It is Wednesday, depending on when you're listening to this,
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  Speaker 2: And while I am interrupting our regularly scheduled programming because
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  Speaker 2: I have a very special conversation to bring to the
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  Speaker 2: hurdlers with my dear friend, Samantha Gash. She is an
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  Speaker 2: ultra athlete, extraordinary of sorts, a role model, she's a humanitarian.
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  Speaker 2: She has so many things and mostly inspiring. We talk
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  Speaker 2: about a ton in today's episode. But what I want
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  Speaker 2: to make sure that I mentioned right off of the
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  Speaker 2: bat and why this episode is popping in to the
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  Speaker 2: thief like this is because this weekend June eleventh to
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  Speaker 2: the thirteenth, Sam is helping to put together an awesome
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  Speaker 2: event called the Relief Run. Relief Run this weekend is
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  Speaker 2: going to benefit World Vision Australia's India COVID nineteen appeal.
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  Speaker 2: This will fund more beds, oxygen machines, and medical supplies
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  Speaker 2: and some of the hospitals in the worst hit districts. Now,
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  Speaker 2: While things may feel like they're getting back to normal
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  Speaker 2: over here in the United States, the state of affairs
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  Speaker 2: over in India is it's frightening and since the beginning
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  Speaker 2: of the pandemic, at least one in forty nine residents
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  Speaker 2: have been infected, with a total of more than twenty
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  Speaker 2: seven million cases. Now, if Relief Run sounds familiar, that's
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  Speaker 2: because last year's installment raised more than one million dollars
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  Speaker 2: in support of the Australian Rush fire relief efforts. Now
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  Speaker 2: here's how it works. Participants all over the world. Hopefully
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  Speaker 2: you have the opportunity to run or walk a plethora
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  Speaker 2: of distances. We're talking five k ten k half marathon
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  Speaker 2: at any location or any time, as long as it's
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  Speaker 2: within that window. All you have to do to participate
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  Speaker 2: is go on and reads at relieferun dot com dot au.
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  Speaker 2: That is r E L I E F r U
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  Speaker 2: N dot com dot Au.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be doing it. I hope you will too.
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  Speaker 2: And again the link to sign up is Relief Run
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  Speaker 2: dot com dot Au and I will be sure Shore
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  Speaker 2: Shore to put that link in the show notes. Now
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  Speaker 2: for a little more on Sam. She's a social entrepreneur,
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  Speaker 2: she's a former survivor contestant, and as we talk about
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  Speaker 2: in today's episode, we actually met on the most remarkable
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  Speaker 2: trip to a Visa, which feels like both Forever Ago.
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  Speaker 3: And Jose Yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: To say that she has done a hell of a
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  Speaker 2: lot of good in this world would truly be the
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  Speaker 2: biggest understatement. She has turned her passion for running into
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  Speaker 2: a vehicle for social change, completing events like Run India,
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  Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen. This is a thirty two hundred kilometer
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  Speaker 2: run from the west to the east of India in
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  Speaker 2: an effort to raise funds for World Vision education initiatives,
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  Speaker 2: and a two hundred twenty two kilometer non stop foot
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  Speaker 2: rates across the Himalayas at six thousand meters above sea level. No,
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  Speaker 2: this is an event that had only been completely previously
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  Speaker 2: by one man. Yeah, again inspiring and Sam was actually
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  Speaker 2: a corporate lawyer with little to no athletic background before
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  Speaker 2: getting into all of this incredibleness. So it goes without saying.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just blown away by her. I'm inspired by her.
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  Speaker 2: I want to be better because I know her, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for her for giving the hurdlers and
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  Speaker 2: me a slice of her time and helping me put
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  Speaker 2: forth the good word about the good work that she's doing.
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  Speaker 3: Talk about purpose.
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  Speaker 2: Please again consider doing the relief run and heading on
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  Speaker 2: over into the show notes to click the link to
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  Speaker 2: sign up.
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  Speaker 3: Also, while you're in there.
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  Speaker 2: And make sure you are subscribed to the weekly Hurdle
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  Speaker 2: newsletter and that you are following all of us Hurdle
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  Speaker 2: Emily Sam on the socials.
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  Speaker 3: With that, let's get to hurdling.
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  Speaker 2: Today, I'm sitting down with Samantha Gash. She is so
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  Speaker 2: many things, an endurance athlete, an inspirational speaker, and entrepreneur.
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  Speaker 3: How are you doing, Sam?
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  Speaker 1: I'm good. You know, I was having a think. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: when were we in at Betha and it was twenty nineteen,
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  Speaker 1: and it feels like a lot has changed from a
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  Speaker 1: well wind trip there.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like yesterday and also like eons ago, and
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  Speaker 2: I wish that we could be back there like asap.
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  Speaker 2: So for context, Sam and I met in you just
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  Speaker 2: said it like the proper way because I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: say Abiza, and as I said.
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  Speaker 1: It, I'm like, is it a Beza or is it
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  Speaker 1: a Betha? But I'm like, so it's either a Betha
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  Speaker 1: or a Beza. And there's gonna be a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people let a message you and tell you their correct version.
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  Speaker 1: But it's it's a blend. It's a blend of the two.
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  Speaker 3: It's a blend.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, we met over in Spain and it was
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  Speaker 2: wonderful on a trip with under armor, and I was
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  Speaker 2: just so taken by a few things about you right
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  Speaker 2: off the bat. First of all, I mean, you run
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  Speaker 2: obscene amounts of miles for the most beautiful causes. It's
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  Speaker 2: not just like I'm going to get out there and
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  Speaker 2: run crazy amounts of miles just because why don't you
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  Speaker 2: give some context about the farthest amount of miles you've
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  Speaker 2: ever run in one swoop.
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  Speaker 1: You mean, like in one project or in like NonStop.
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  Speaker 3: I would say, project do we love.
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  Speaker 1: That we have to defund? Okay, So it was seventy
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  Speaker 1: seven days and it was a run from the west
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  Speaker 1: to the east of India. I'm going to do it
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  Speaker 1: in kilometers, so sorry for everyone listening in miles, but
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  Speaker 1: it was like a bit over three and a half
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  Speaker 1: thousand kilometers and it was from Jazzlamir all the way
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  Speaker 1: to the hill estates in the east in a place
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  Speaker 1: called Shillong. And so that's kind of like the numbers.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what, I feel like I could say
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  Speaker 1: to you, I did four hundred kilometers or ten thousand kilometers,
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  Speaker 1: and really the answer is that it was long. But
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  Speaker 1: I guess what I was so much more driven to
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  Speaker 1: in that project is that I was using it as
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  Speaker 1: this I guess vehicle or mechanism to be able to explore,
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  Speaker 1: you know, these various barriers to quality education that children
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  Speaker 1: across India face, and I think a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: who are connected to social impact, you know, you're always
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  Speaker 1: trying to explore what is the best vehicle to be
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  Speaker 1: able to understand that or to raise attention or to
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  Speaker 1: raise funds. And there was a tipping point in my
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  Speaker 1: life where I was like, maybe you're running and can
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  Speaker 1: be my thing. You know. I did study a law
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  Speaker 1: degree and I thought I would kind of work in
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  Speaker 1: humanitarian law. But I think the cool thing about life
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  Speaker 1: is as we evolve as humans, the way in which
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  Speaker 1: we achieve, like our purpose and our drive can be
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  Speaker 1: totally different than what we thought when we were kids.
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  Speaker 3: For sure.
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  Speaker 2: And we'll definitely dive into that tipping point in just
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. Aside from this unbelievable trek across India,
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  Speaker 2: and again, as I said, your ability to run obscene
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  Speaker 2: amounts of miles for good causes for a bigger purpose
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  Speaker 2: also just taken by your optimism and your friendliness. I
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  Speaker 2: think that that trip was around the time where I
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  Speaker 2: started to do a lot of thinking back in early
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  Speaker 2: twenty nineteen about what it is that I'm putting out
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  Speaker 2: into the world when I meet people and what it
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  Speaker 2: is that those people are walking away with and if
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  Speaker 2: it is what I'm hoping that they're going to walk
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  Speaker 2: away with from meeting me. And I just was so
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  Speaker 2: refreshed by your authenticity and what you brought to the table.
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  Speaker 2: And it was one of those meetings that I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: this is a great example of what it is that
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  Speaker 2: I want to be putting into the world.
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  Speaker 1: Ah. I love that. I mean, thank you. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's a cool exercise to sometimes think, you know, what
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  Speaker 1: would be three words that you would want someone to
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  Speaker 1: describe you by. And I remember years and years ago
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  Speaker 1: I did that exercise when I was working in communications,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember thinking one of them was I want
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  Speaker 1: people to think that I'm relatable. I want them to
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  Speaker 1: think that I'm authentic. And I can't remember what the
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  Speaker 1: third one was, and I remember them being so important
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  Speaker 1: to me. One well, I mean, I think we all
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  Speaker 1: know why we want to be authentic but relatable, because
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  Speaker 1: I knew some of the things that I did don't
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  Speaker 1: sound relatable. And I feel like, if you can't find
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  Speaker 1: a way of contextualizing it or saying in a way
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  Speaker 1: that means people who have no interest of running, then
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  Speaker 1: you're really cutting off your ability to kind of share
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  Speaker 1: stories and experiences and to kind of allow human kind
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  Speaker 1: to be able to find parallel like moments from the
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  Speaker 1: things in which you do the things in which other
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  Speaker 1: people do. So that's lovely that you kind of pe
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  Speaker 1: up those things.
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  Speaker 2: So you already hinting at a little bit of your
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  Speaker 2: running journey and that it has been just that a journey.
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  Speaker 2: Let's rewind it back a little bit and talk to
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  Speaker 2: me about when you first started to really get interested
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  Speaker 2: in sport. And what we haven't established yet is obviously
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  Speaker 2: you guys can hear by her accent that Sam is
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  Speaker 2: not in the United States.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm Australian, and I've probably given you dodgy recording
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  Speaker 1: because I'm in a hotel because I'm here at this
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  Speaker 1: conference at the moment, So sorry if the audio is crape. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Like my starting in running, I mean, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: similar to a lot of people. I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think many people are just born great runners, but I
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  Speaker 1: definitely was not born a great runner, and I would
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  Speaker 1: say that I'm still not a natural runner. I've just
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  Speaker 1: worked really, really hard at it, which is something that
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  Speaker 1: I've loved about following your journey since twenty nineteen, because
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  Speaker 1: you work so freaking hard for what you put out
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  Speaker 1: into the world in both your sport and in every
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  Speaker 1: other area. And I relate a lot to that because,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think sometimes the things that are really
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  Speaker 1: important to you aren't just given to you naturally, and
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  Speaker 1: maybe you kind of respect it even more and you
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  Speaker 1: have gratitude for it because it wasn't kind of given
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  Speaker 1: to you on a silver platter. But I was like, crap,
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  Speaker 1: I was uncoordinated, I was super short. I am still
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  Speaker 1: super short. I'm just under five foot and I've married
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  Speaker 1: a six foot three man, so it's just hilarious. And
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know, in school, I just never really
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  Speaker 1: felt like I belonged in the sporting arena. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what it's like in the US, but in
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  Speaker 1: Australia a lot of like that social credibility is tied
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  Speaker 1: up into your capabilities in sport. As a kid, so
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  Speaker 1: I did feel like quite awkward and uncomfortable with myself
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  Speaker 1: and definitely thought that being destined for an academic life
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  Speaker 1: was probably the path that I would end down, which
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  Speaker 1: was true, Like I ended up working as a corporate lawyer,
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  Speaker 1: but running kind of in my late teens became an
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  Speaker 1: outlet from maybe my more intense methodical academic mindset, Like
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  Speaker 1: I found it like a sport to write English practice essays.
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  Speaker 1: And my mom was cool, like, she's not a runner.
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  Speaker 1: My dad's not a runner. Dad had polio as a kid.
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  Speaker 1: But mom knows a lot about and I only reflect
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  Speaker 1: on this now. She's very good at understanding that people
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  Speaker 1: need to connect to nature as a fast truck way
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  Speaker 1: to mindfulness, and so she loved gardening. And in fact,
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  Speaker 1: my mom and I both had this chaotic brain, and
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  Speaker 1: so she's always gardening as a way of grounding herself
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  Speaker 1: to like nature, to the planet. And so she'd always
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  Speaker 1: be like, just go for a run, and like I live.
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  Speaker 1: I lived as a kid right near a national park,
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  Speaker 1: and so I just go through like this six kilometer run,
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  Speaker 1: and it was always like at dust because it was
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the day and there was kangaroos
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  Speaker 1: coming by, and it was just a place where I
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  Speaker 1: always felt truly in the present. Like I wouldn't wear headphones.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't own a phone back then, and it was
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  Speaker 1: just I wouldn't kind of I could kind of reset
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  Speaker 1: and then kind of get back to my ah, let
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  Speaker 1: me go and take some stuff now afterwards. So that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of the early days of me running. And it
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  Speaker 1: was really like, you know, nineteen twenty, just.
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  Speaker 3: Some kangaroos coming by.
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  Speaker 1: I said that particularly for you, but it is actually true.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate it. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: So you get a little bit into running as an escape.
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  Speaker 2: And you said that you were interested in law, So
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  Speaker 2: is that where your educational pursuits had taken you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I either wanted to be a lawyer
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  Speaker 1: for the un or I wanted to be an actress
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  Speaker 1: on a really trashy soap. So very diverging like aspirations.
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  Speaker 1: And I studied a double degree in both performing arts
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  Speaker 1: and law. So I was really hedging my bets for
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  Speaker 1: like quite a long time. And it took me ten
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  Speaker 1: years to complete that double degree and then kind of
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  Speaker 1: do my honors as well. So I was at university
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  Speaker 1: for a very long time, and I guess it was
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  Speaker 1: during that that I kind of just kind of found
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  Speaker 1: myself funneling into the very I guess the acceptable trajectory
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  Speaker 1: of corporate law, and I just felt that's what success
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  Speaker 1: was at that point in my life. And all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, it felt like the doors to being in
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  Speaker 1: the un just weren't seeming obvious, and you know, being
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  Speaker 1: an actress didn't seem as important to me anymore. And
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, I ended up working at a corporate law
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  Speaker 1: firm for a bit.
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  Speaker 3: What is the.
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  Speaker 2: Hurdle moment that comes where you realize that this path
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  Speaker 2: in corporate law just isn't your stack.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't like an obvious thing, It wasn't like an
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  Speaker 1: immediate like no longer do I want to do this.
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  Speaker 1: It's an interesting system in Australia, totally different to the US.
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  Speaker 1: I got my job at a top tier corporate law
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  Speaker 1: firm two and a half years before I even finished
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  Speaker 1: my degree, and so there was this period where I'd
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  Speaker 1: been like working so hard to get the marks to
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  Speaker 1: kind of be accepted to this great job, and then
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  Speaker 1: once I got it, I was like, Okay, in two
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  Speaker 1: and a few years, you're going to start working at
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  Speaker 1: a really serious place. Maybe you should just take the
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  Speaker 1: foot off the academic accelerator and just try a whole
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  Speaker 1: bunch of things. And I went on what I now
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  Speaker 1: kind of call this yes quest, which is where I
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  Speaker 1: just started to say yes to things that I never
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  Speaker 1: would have thought I had time to say yes to,
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  Speaker 1: and I did like random stuff and went out into
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the desert and perform circus arts with
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  Speaker 1: indigenous children. I went backpacking through North America and like
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  Speaker 1: I slept under the stars and that's when I actually
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  Speaker 1: be my first marathon and it was a bit of
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  Speaker 1: an a heart triggering moment, and I guess the marathon
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  Speaker 1: was more was the most transformative experience of that entire
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  Speaker 1: yes quest, And probably because I was the shittest at
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  Speaker 1: that out of everything, I was better at circus arts
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  Speaker 1: than I was at you know, running a marathon. Isn't
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  Speaker 1: it funny how we like we walk away from experiences
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  Speaker 1: when they're really sticky and challenging and we're nearly on
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  Speaker 1: the brink of finishing, And it's not the glory moments
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  Speaker 1: that we kind of hold onto with pride, at the
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  Speaker 1: ones where we've had to fight resistance. So we could
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  Speaker 1: so easily have chosen the path of least resistance, but
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  Speaker 1: we didn't. We like made it to something new or breakthrough.
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  Speaker 1: And from that, I just wanted to experience run in
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  Speaker 1: a different way. And I read a book about these
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  Speaker 1: two Aussie guys who had run across the Sahara Desert
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  Speaker 1: in this race called Race and the Planet, and it
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  Speaker 1: was two hundred and fifty kilometers and I'm like, that
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  Speaker 1: is an adventure. And it wasn't even the run, it
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  Speaker 1: was the other stuff. It was like going to this
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  Speaker 1: faraway place that maybe you just had heard about and
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  Speaker 1: seen in books and kind of spending it with people
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  Speaker 1: who might be completely different, like culturally and based on
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  Speaker 1: their religions or their experiences. But you're all standing on
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  Speaker 1: the same start line and you could be the shittest
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  Speaker 1: person in that race or you could be the best,
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  Speaker 1: and you're literally all side by side and you've got
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  Speaker 1: to share that entire six days together. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of cool. And then I kind of looked
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  Speaker 1: at my university calendar and I'm like, I'm just going
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  Speaker 1: to take six whole months off from UNI, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to do one of these races, which I chose
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  Speaker 1: in the Atacama Desert in Chile, and then I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to do a three month internship in a capital defense
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  Speaker 1: office in Texas. So even though I decided to go
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  Speaker 1: in corporate law, I'm like, if I'm going to spend
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  Speaker 1: this time in this part of the world, like let's
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  Speaker 1: do South America, Let's do Texas and just have a
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  Speaker 1: wild adventure where I have no idea what the end
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  Speaker 1: result is going to be.
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  Speaker 2: Two things to double click on. First and foremost, where
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  Speaker 2: was the first marathon?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? So my first marathon was in Melbourne, the first
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  Speaker 1: Ultra was in the Attacama Desert and Chili.
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  Speaker 2: For the first marathon, do you remember your experience. Let's
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  Speaker 2: talk about like after mile eighteen and did you hit
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  Speaker 2: that wall?
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: And was it as difficult or easier than you imagine?
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: It was horrific And for me it was thirty two,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: which I think is that kind of comparable. That's with
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: like ten, that's with six miles to go. Yeah, with
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: s miles to go is where I really hit the
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: breaking point. And I think, I mean, obviously that's a
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: really far away like most people hit it there, but
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: I think for me, I hit it there also because
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I only ever trained up to that place, so I
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: had kind of kept building to my mind, what's it
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: going to be like when I crossed that precipice into
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: the unknown, and I dwelled on it so much that
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I almost I don't know if I was physically destroyed
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: or if mentally. I was so concerned about what they
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: would be like that it started to affect my physical response.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: And like, as we know, like the mind and the
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: body are like inextricably linked, you know. It's just like
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: the gut and the brain are so linked, you know,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: so for feeling anxiety or stress or pain, it can
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: start to trigger responses in the gut. And it's like
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: my mind started to trigger my legs to feel like lead.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, So that's the first question.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: And then the second question here is why did you
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: pick taxes?
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Well, it has you guys have death throw in Texas,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: So I was definitely again still bent on that social
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: impact perspective. There was an option for me to be
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: in New Orleans or Texas, and I was working for
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: an organization called Grace, So it was like Golf Region
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Advocacy Center, And so I ended up being assigned onto
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: a death row case and I'm supporting the mitigation team
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: in like research and discovery to kind of take a
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: case to retrial. So that was the work that I
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: was doing.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: What was the trigger for you becoming super interested in
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: social justice and social change?
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I think I've always been bent towards contribution in some form,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: like even from a young kid, like I always wanted
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: to volunteer or find ways of like supporting local charities
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: or you know, talking to homeless people on the streets
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: and wanting to understand the way in which people live
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: different lives. And it never seemed right to me from
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: a young age that some people experienced such significant suffering
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: whilst other people, relatively speaking, don't seem to have anywhere
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: near the same amount on a social and cultural and
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: a you know, economic perspective. So I think inequality has
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: been at the root of it, and then a bent
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: that individual small contribution can make an impact.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: You finish that yes chapter so to speak. Does that
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: call many after doing the stint in Texas? Or are
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: you still going after that?
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think I'm kind of still going. I
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: don't think we stop, though. Now I have to learn
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: to say no. So I've said yes for so many years.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: The yes quest was great because it started to expose
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: me to a whole range of stuff, and so I
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: truly started to understand what I cared about. I think
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: when your operation of living is so narrow, it's very
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: hard to genuinely say, like, I really love this, I
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: want to dedicate my life to it, or I want
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: to kind of commit myself to this certain thing at
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: this time, because if it's all you know, how do
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you know? So the yes quest just allowed me to
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: broaden my base of experiences, the people that I got
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: to meet, so therefore my networks and just like everything
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: aspirations and dreams. But now as I'm like, it feels
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: weird to say, I'm in my mid thirties, and I
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: feel particularly for women, there is very great paws and
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: learning how to say no because everything we say yes to,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: like whether we choose to or not, something is getting
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: shut closed as well. So I'm very clear on what
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: I care about now and I just need to have
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: more confidence to say no.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: So leave taxes and you were back to Australia. Talk
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: to me about what life was like when you get
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: back there. And at this point do you contemplate going
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: back to UNI or are you like I'm off sat now?
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: No, because I hadn't finished my degree, so I was
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: very I had committed to like I had a framework
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: in mind. I was taking six months off and then
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I was jumping back straight into six months. I had
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: a boyfriend at the time that had kind of very
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: lovely in his way of letting me kind of go
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: for six months and kind of having that experience for myself.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: But I came back and I did feel unsettled. I
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: felt like I had experienced two very significant immersive experiences
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: that had completely shifted me off my access. And also
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: that's in between that time, that's when I decided to
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: do all four of the races. So I had just
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: done chilling. Then I worked in that Capital Defense office
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: and it was during that time I was like, no
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: woman has ever done all four of these, like what
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: do they call race in the planets, four deserts Grand Slam,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Like no woman's ever done all four of them in
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: one year. And I'm like, I'm definitely not the strongest,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not the fastest, I'm definitely not the most capable.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: But maybe I'm the person that can like logistically pull
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: this off through just like absolute persistence of kind of
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: making the pieces of the puzzle work together.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Where do you think that comes from?
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: In you?
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: My love a project? I think my mind is definitely bent,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: not so much for the physicality that for the mental
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: orchestration of crafting something from nothing, and I think my
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: brain works of like, Okay, well, I was a UNI student.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I was so poor, like I mean pooring the relative
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: schemes of university students that have to pay three four
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars to be able to do these races. So
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't have the money. So the first thing was, like, one,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: will my university take time off to run around the world,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: because I was in a serious degree where you can't
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: normally just take absences. The second thing is if they
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: actually said yes, how could I fund this and see?
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: How can I train such a diversity of races? How
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: can I build my body up adapt and how can
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I get the kit together? So it kind of it
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: was all these different pieces of the puzzle, and you
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: kind of have to work on all of them simultaneously,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: but some of them have to take a different priority
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: at certain times because you need, like certain ones to
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: gateway open in order for the next one to reveal itself.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: So I think I like the puzzle.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: The puzzle.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: It's interesting to hear that there are so many barriers
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: to entry, so many hurdles if you will, about going
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: after a goal like this, because for many it would
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: be just we too much, but for you it were
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: super in tasting. So talk me through. Let's go straight
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: to that last of the four and what that experience.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Was like, Well, if you if I liked the puzzle
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: to begin with, when I finished Antarctica, I was a
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: completely different person, like my I'd gone from not being
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: a runner at a start with like not like a
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: serious runner. I pretty much walked the first race because
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I was injured. To the very end, I was like
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I was a competitor, like I was kind of competing
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: in the podium position, and I was just like I
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: can race this much, but actually adapting and understanding this
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: idea of you know, relentless forward emotion, you know where
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: slow progress is still progress, and like dropping the ego
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: when it gets to execution, but utilizing your ego to
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: get to start lines where you have no experience in.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: And I love that about your twenties because I think
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: for a lot of people, like ego and naivity are
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: really strong benefits to do things in arenas that you
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: have no exposure to. And so that was I use
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: that like and I'm a big advocate of like how
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: to play with your ego to make it your superpower,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: like dropping it and then bringing it out at certain times.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: But I remember thinking at the very end of the
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Ford Deserts, I can do anything now, like anything. Then
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: there was a couple of k its, like I've got
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: to really want it, and I've got to be willing
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: to do the work. But I knew that if I
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: wanted to do the work and I wanted to be there,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I felt that I could do anything.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Two things.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: First of all, talk to me about aan Arctica, like,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: what's Antarctica?
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: Should we go?
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean it was okay. We flew down to
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: a Shire which is like the southern Tip, and then
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: we caught a boat across the Drake's Passage and it's
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: pretty like intense the Drake's Passage. I remember I was
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: the very bottom of the boat, which was such small,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: kind of unpleasant rooms, and it was like where the
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: boat was swaying the most. I remember one night I
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: was like going from like us chatting with Ryan Sands,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: and then I was in the room next to him,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: and I remember walking to my room and then the
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: boat just swung and I literally banged myself between the
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: bed that I had and the other person's bed and
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I had this massive bruthe down my leg and I
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: haven't even started the race, so it's quite a journey
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: to get there. And you're in a space with all
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: these people who like to run, a lot of them
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: are quite introverts, and you have to spend like five
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: six days in each other's company and all you're doing
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: is eating bread and kind of trying to not have seasickness.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: So I thought it was actually a really interesting social experiment.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: And I was studying for my trustal or exam at
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the same time, so it was so kind of it
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: was ridiculously silly. And then I get there and there's
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: all these rules, like when you're running a dataga, like
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: the rule is you were to give away to the penguins,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: and I just thought that was really cool because it's
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: like here you are in this race, but the habitat
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: the environment are like the primary thing, like never really
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: should runners have the right of way in a landscape
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: that's not ours. And I liked that. I liked that
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: kind of like humbling nature of like respect, where you
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: are like tread lightly take out what you bring into
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the space. And now it's cool. It's an amazing place.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: It's incredibly volatile. Like one day we started running and
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they're.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Like, get back to the zodiac boats.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: And we literally ran for forty five minutes and then
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: we're like we could see that the weather was going crazy,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: so we had to get back onto these little zodiac boats.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: So then get back to the main boat. And so
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the coolest thing and the weirdest thing of the race
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: is you never knew how long you would run for.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: They literally would just base it on like the environment.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: And I remember one year they got all the way
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: away Antarctica and then the weather was so bad. I
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: think they only got out of the boat twice. But
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: we had a pretty good year and it was like
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: maybe four or five times we got out and one
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: time we ran for forty five minutes and another time
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: we ran for twelve hours. And it was loops, so
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: there was so many It wasn't like any other other races,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: which were a point A to point B. It was
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: like a track race, but in the snow, and you know,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: you could see what other people were doing sometimes based
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: on what circuit they chose, and they chose different circuits.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: That's just it was all novel. It kind of it
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: was sparking, like my different stimulus of like what running,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: particularly alt running in a trial environment and it can
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: be probably more of an invention than like a structured rice.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: And then the second thing is tell me how you
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: pronounce the word caveat.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Again, Keviat key, I'm like with.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Keviot Keveot, can I tell you that I used to
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: say it?
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: I used to pronounce it as caveat. No clue like
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: where I got that from, like where I learned that,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: uh like pronunciation. And it was probably like three or
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: four months ago that I got like two or three
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: messages in a row and they were like, you know,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: you say this word wrong, And I feel like you
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: should know that because I don't think it's intentional.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Don't you just love it when your community calls you
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: up in your pronunciation for something and it's like I'm like, thanks, guys,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: thanks for kavin are real. I mean, I'm the kind
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: of cheek that when like a song's playing, I think
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I know the words and so I'm saying it really
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: loud and then someone's like, oh my, like you've been
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: signed those wrong lyrics for a really long time, and
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I just WoT the flow. I'm I'm just
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: film the music.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: I'm just having a good time over here. Okay.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: So I'm glad we established book of those things and
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Octica sounds crazy. We have a new pronunciation lesson, and
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: now we can move on to when was I just
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: because I know a little bit of your story and
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I'm curious about this. I know you met your husband
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: on a reality television show, so segue meted that.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Well, we've gone from two thousand and ten being the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: end of the Four Deserts in November, and then I
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: met Mark after a couple of other suitors in between
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and seventeen twenty seventeen, yes, seven years later,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: a couple of expeditions, passed, multiple job changes afterwards, and
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: I was on Survivor and I met this man on
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: It's so funny because like I had, like I was
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: wearing like a pinafore dress, and I was because I
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: was trying to be like, okay, so I'm small and
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: sweet and cute, and that was kind of like I
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: was trying to go under the radar a little bit.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: And he had this like big leather jacket and they
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: placed us. We were on a barge like in the
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: South Pacific because our race was in Samoa. And the
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: only scene that gets staged in Survivor, at least in Australia,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: is like that first opening shot of the first maybe
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, and they take you out the day before
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: to shoot it, and then they take you back into
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: your hotel room and they're like tomorrow, it's game time.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: But at the time you think that that's the start.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: And I remember this sky with this leather jacket came
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: on and they put him on this like car on
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: this boat, and he was sitting on the bottom of
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: the car and they said to me, can you please
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: sit on that crate of eggant eggplants? And I'm like what.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, can you sit on the crate that's
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: got the eggplants in it, But don't sit on the eggplants.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Can you just sit on the rim of the crate?
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh cool, we can totally tell status
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: right now. I'm on this rim of these creative eggplants.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: And this guy is sitting on the bonnet of a
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: car like he looks like the Fonds. It was like,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: all right, let's roll with it.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: How did you end up going on Survivor, because again,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I feel like before you were saying the yes fees,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: the yes quest hasn't actually ended, So I would think
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: that that's a big moment in the yes quest.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: It was definitely yes moment. I had not long finished
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: my run across India, and I wouldn't say I'm lost.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I was definitely wasn't lost. Whenever I finish my runs,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: people always go if you've got that hangover of that
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: experience being over, and I'm like, you know what, I
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: don't have, fomo. I don't have like the after race blues,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: because like I give it everything, Like when I'm in
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: an expedition, I give my heart and soul to that
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: experience and I've got nothing left. And so it's like, okay, cool,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: It's about rejuvenation time and then kind of regrouping and
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: then heading for the stars again, whatever that might be.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: But in like a week period, I had three different
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: people tell me that I should apply for Survivor. And
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I'm also like a proponent of like listening to like
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: intuition and just kind of following, you know, your gunt.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: And so I did an application like the final day
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: applications were there, and then the next day they called
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: me and then the audition process started, and the whole
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: time I was like, There's no way I'm going to
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: do this. This is really bad for like my corporate
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: speaking career. Who knows how they're going to betray me? Like,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: you know, this is not what I really want. I've
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: never been into reality TV. And then I got Then
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I got into the audition and they made you do
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: this like competition of like urpees and all this kind
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: of stuff, and I'm like, yeah, let's do this shit.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I'd like shifted my mentality so quickly from like not
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: wanting to do it and then to feeling like that rush.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: But then I got on the island and it it
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: actually was harder than running across India, and I totally
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: didn't expect it to be that hard.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: What about it made it that hard.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I definitely went into the show thinking it was there
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: was gonna be a high focus on like physical challenges,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: and that me being me, which typically has me building
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: beautiful relationships, friendships, you know, influencing people positively to maneuver
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: in a direction that I would like, like all the
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: things I'm good at normally would be good on the show.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: But it's amazing, how like what you're good at can
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: very quickly be said is a threat. And the way
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: the game works is like all you need is like
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: two people to say, well, Sam's a threat, and then
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're the person on everyone's radar.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, oh, I just hadn't kind of
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: constructed the I mean, I work for myself, and Emily,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: you might feel it too, because it had been a
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: long ago that I'd worked in a corporate arena, and
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I think in a corporate arena you're more mentally skewed
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: for a little bit of like the ruthlessness of social
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: interplay that I choose every single person I come into
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: business with, and I consciously and I'm proud of like
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: the women that are in my life who were like
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: raise each other up and we're not compared each other
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: even if we're in the same place. I believe in abundance.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I'm very like opposed to the scarcity mindset. And then
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden I got on the island and
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: it was like, oh, Sam, the person that you're being
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: is like, all of a sudden, not a good thing.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: And it's totally gameplay. I know, it's not reality. But
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: it was like, oh, so I remember really going quiet
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: and going I don't know what to say now because
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: I didn't go in with a game plan but to
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: be myself. And it's also really hard to lie to
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: people like and it's also hard to be in a
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: marina where people are lying to your face. I thought
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: i'd pay like, I'm like, it's a game, Sam, but
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: actually they're real humans. You actually need each other for survival,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: to get food, to craft a shelter, to win challenges,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: So you're breaking apart human needs. And it's also breaking
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: apart a human's need to belong. And I felt like
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: when I was a kid, there were so many instances
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: where I didn't belong, and all of a sudden, I
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: felt like I was going back to like that school
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: yard mentality. And I guess it was more t triggering
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: for me than I thought.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: A lot of past trauma coming into the mix here,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: and I would be your missive, I didn't say, I mean.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: You mentioned your India run as well. By this time
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, you had already raised more than one
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen thousand dollars via your efforts, whether it
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: be running across Australia or goodness, India or South Africa
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: like everywhere. So for you at this point, did you
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: really feel like you had fell into a groove and
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: that this would be your purpose.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I've always wondered, like I've never thought too far ahead,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Like I was a kid that always thought that I'd
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: have a five to ten twenty year plan. And the
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: older I get, the more I realize I don't want
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: to be held to that. I'm very open to like
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: evolve and to go with what feels right. And I
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: always said that I'll run and do these projects for
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: as long as it really feel is important because I
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: can tell you like how hard India was, where not
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: one day went to plan and like running up to
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: you know, seventy five kilometers up to seventy five kilometers
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: every single day for seventy seven days, whilst still trying
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: to engage in community activations and understand stories and share
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: those stories, you know, particularly stories about the prevalence of
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: the sex trade and how that affects, you know, a
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: woman's right to get access to education, issues of poverty,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: issues of child marriage. There was a lot to hold
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: and I felt like it was high deliverables and the
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: stakes were also high, and that wasn't even including like
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: the demands of the run. So yeah, I was a
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: little bit burnt out after India, and I definitely was
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: in the pendulum swing of recovery phase. And I hadn't
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: really thought, like, I don't like the what next question,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: because sometimes I'm like, what's next? Is a bloody would
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: lie down? And I think people forget even in like
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: a training cycle, the power in the importance of the
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: recovery day or even the active recovery, and that's where
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: like mental and physical like consolidation happens, like calibration. It's
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: what like fires us for the next session or the
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: next phase of our lives. So I hadn't thought too
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: far ahead, which is probably why I had space in
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: my life to even think about survivor. And yeah, like
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: it was, I felt, definitely felt I was in my
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: groove of like using running or adventure as a vehicle
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: for something. Yeah, because it was like I think it
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: was about three hundred and fifty thousand dollars by that
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: point through multiple projects, but none of them ever, I
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: would say for the efforts that I did physically and
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: mentally and logistically to the funds that I raised. It
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: was definitely disproportionate, but a lot came down to the
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: awareness building of the campaigns as well for.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: The actual fundraising component.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: I know that often, especially when it comes to runners,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: we use these runs as a vehicle to do just that,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: to raise money for you in your process. I'd love
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: if you could shut a little late about how this
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: may have worked at different points for different causes, because
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people, although they want to
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: do something at similar they want to raise funds, they
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: want to support a cause, oftentimes they may feel uncomfortable
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: about what has to go hand in hand with that.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Such a good question, and I get asked about this
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: a lot because a lot of people have really great
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: aspirations of using their running as a vehicle for something.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: And then I get a lot of dms about, Okay,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I'm going to raise a million dollars. It's always the
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: sum that everyone wants to raise. How did you do it?
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: And like, my first thing is going and they also
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: go how did you get sponsored to have your costs
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: covered to do it? The first thing is you've got
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: to want to do it. You've got to want to
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: do it for you because if you don't want to
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: do it for you, then you can't possibly try and
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: do it to raise funds or you know, to generate
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: awareness for a certain thing, like that's got to be
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: the root of your desire at least. This is my opinion.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: So like people can approach this differently, but this is
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: like from my formula. And then I think the first
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: thing is to like understanding the lay of the land
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: and going to the people that I'm trying to, you know,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: provide support to do they actually want me to. And
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: is the initiatives that I'm considering to be a good
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: idea something that the community actually wants, or am I
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: imposing an idea that's not kind of going to be
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: received And it's just like token is a money and
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: it's not going to actually sustain a community in a
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: way that you want. And I'll say my feelings of
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: this has definitely evolved over the years. But when I
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: first started running, it wasn't about charity. It was about
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: my personal self discovery because running was very new for me,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: and it was about testing those mental and physical limits.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Once I had done that repeatedly, I was like, I
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: think I want my footsteps to count for more and
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: some people just love to run and they love for
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: the thrill and they love for the time, and like
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: I applaud you, like you do you, and that is amazing.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: But if you feel a calling to connect it in
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: a different way, then you also do you. And I
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I've had people criticize me for like
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: running for change, and I'm like, I don't criticize you
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: for being a competitive athlete. Like you choose the path
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: that kind of suits what you want to do, and
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I'll do the way that I want to go. And
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: that's everyone has the right to extend themselves in the
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: way that makes the most sense to them, and they
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: also have the right to change it as time kind
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: of progresses. I think the big thing for me is partnerships,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: working with sectorial experts, working with teams on the local
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: ground that can help form your awareness of what you're
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: trying to do and be a great support And to
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: be quite clear on what your role is. Our role
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: should be to possibly use our platform to share stories
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: if we've been given permission to share those stories. There's
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: a really great thing. I just spent seven days out
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: in an indigenous environment with it the only indigenous guiding
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: group in Australia in this certain area called Alice Springs,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: and they have what's called it's the songline, and like
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: over a big vast space of land, different indigenous families
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: and family groups will own a different point of that
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: song and they can only tell their story in their part,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: and they know not allowed to tell anyone else's story.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: And if you think about that, how often we do
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: we share other people's stories and how often does it
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: begin to dilute the real meaning behind that story. And
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: it's something that I'm kind of playing with a bit
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: at the moment, Like, whilst I've always wanted to be
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: a vehicle to share stories, it's so important to get
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: permission and to get it really right, so you're doing
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: justice to the people you're trying to work with. And
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: then I'd say, like give you if people here are
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: wanting to run for change in whatever way that is,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: give yourself, like a realistic goal, like don't make it
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: a burden for yourself. Give yourself something that you can achieve,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: that you can feel like you've been successful and you
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: can always make your goal higher. I think a lot
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: of people these crazy lofty goals they realize really quickly.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: It's very very hard to fundraise and train and play logistics,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they feel like a
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: failure and they don't want to talk about it. But really,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: if you fundraise anything and you've done it with good
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: intentions and it's going to the right place, good on you.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: You've done a great.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Job for sure.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: And you mentioned also finding funding to go on these missions.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Let's dive into that a lot.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm really passionate about this. I actually spoke to
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: James Lawrence about this a little while ago, and he's
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: doing the one hundred Iron Man's in one hundred days
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: at the moment, which looks rulling. But I've been speaking
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: to aspect to him and his wife a bit during
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: his thing, but also spoke to him beforehand. And if
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: you expect someone else to pay for your dreams, I
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: think you're going to be very disappointed. I think in
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: order to do these big feats of endurance and tie
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: them to social objectives, you must be willing to put
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: your skin in the game before anyone else. And if
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: you're not willing to put your skin in the game,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: why should you expect other people to do it. It's
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: a totally different ask to ask to people to fundraise
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: for charity, but to fundraise for your adventures. Don't know,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Like I just think like you need to put your
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: buy in first and time and time again. You know,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: I've definitely been sponsored in different capacities, but every single
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: project I have funded and I've put a lot of
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: time into, and I'm really proud about that. It's been
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: a much smaller percentage that an organization has got behind me.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: But then I've always delivered something for that. It's never
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: a one way streak, Like I've delivered multiple keynote presentations
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: and workshops and marketing material and blog articles. So I
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: would say if you're looking for sponsors, find out what
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: you can give more than what you're asking for, and
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: realize that there's a monetary value in like the exchanger
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: as sponsorship dollars for what you can give. It's a
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: really good exercise to know, like what can you provide someone,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: And it's definitely a much better approach to hit up
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: a sponsor when you kind of thinking that in that
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: frame of mind.
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  Speaker 2: self belief, right, like, if you don't believe in yourself,
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  Speaker 2: then who are you to expect other people to believe
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  Speaker 2: that you can go after the things that you want?
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  Speaker 2: And then secondly, I also would tie this to the
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  Speaker 2: media and Instagram and individuals perhaps assuming that certain people
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  Speaker 2: literally just get paid to live like their regular life
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  Speaker 2: and ninety nine point nine percent of the time that
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  Speaker 2: that is the stuff that empowers them to perhaps live
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  Speaker 2: the life that you think that they just get paid
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  Speaker 2: to live. So just something that I think about sometimes
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  Speaker 2: because I have certainly been messaged before and someone has
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  Speaker 2: asked me like who pays you to do your day
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  Speaker 2: to day?
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, do not see me working my ass off?
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Over me?
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: And then it's so true and I think self belief
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: that you said at the beginning is so critical because
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: I think sometimes people use as an excuse like if
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: someone else is not going to pay me, well then
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I can't do it. And I'm like, you've just made
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: a massive block in front of you living your dreams
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: as well. And you know the flip side Emily about
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: people just having this presumption that we get to do
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff. I do think that there's
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: responsibility of us showing the realness to kind of go
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: like this is like I know, you caught sometimes like
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: the hustle, or this is the hard work, or this
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: is you know, I might have an experience and then
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I'm up to like two am writing an article, or
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm doing X, Y and Z and all
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: these things. I do feel like social media has people
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: just showing the glamorous life and not kind of showing
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: like I think the majority of life is made up
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: of the everyday, the in between, and the mundane, and
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: of course there's major highs and there's exciting things, but
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: it's a much smaller percentage than people lead you to
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: believe via their social media.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: After you walked away from Survivor, which you said was
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: one of the most difficult experiences, most challenging experiences. Talk
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: to me about what perhaps was one of the biggest
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: lessons you learned in that time.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think Survivor was the place where I learned
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: the majority of my lessons. I was definitely established in
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: who I was as a person. It was actually gratitude.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I was, like, I am so happy for the life
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: that I've created for myself. I wasn't waiting for Survivor
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: to like kind of fuddel me into another career. Like
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: I'm living the career that I want. Like I'm a speaker,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: I'm an endurance athlete, I'm working with you know on
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: social impact projects, and I have the most amazing group
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: of people that I'm surrounded by. That was kind of
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: the takeaway. It was actually more gratitude for what I
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: had as opposed to kind of striving for something that
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I didn't have. And of course, like I met my
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: husband and we had a child, well we had a
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: child and then we became my husband and you know that.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think when I met you, we went
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: even I don't know if we were engaged, but we
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: were definitely we definitely had had our sign like I
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: feel like Harry was only like a couple of months
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: old when I met you, I was still like pumping,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: like doing breastfeeding stuff in like every time like things
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: calm down, like from all the runs. I was like,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: I've just got to go and pump some milk out
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: of me. So that was, yeah, I think like I
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: got to transition into another unknown that was motherhood. I
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: was thirty four, and I was getting to a place
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: in my life when I was thinking maybe I wouldn't
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: have a family, either a partner or children, and I
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: had always thought that that was a part of my
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: future as a kid, and then I realized I don't
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: definitely need that, even if I would like it. But
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I think I had a lot of fears trapped up
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: in like maybe I wouldn't be able to have a kid.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: And then I clearly that was just not true, because
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: we felt pregnant within five weeks of meeting each other.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: So that kind of was like, oh, that was definitely
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: a limiting belief. Yeay, let's make this work now.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: And now you're a mom.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, in all of these stories so far, you
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: have so many common themes, being living with purpose and also,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: I would argue a strong sense of resilience. I mean
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: that challenges that you're taking on are unlike any challenge
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: that so many will take on in their lives. So
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: for you talk to me about what resilience means.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: To you, It means yielding. It means putting aside this
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: beautifully crafted plan that you have and expectation on how
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: things are going to look, and yielding to the circumstances
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: that are in front of you, and remembering that you
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: can always create the next best plan. And I think
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: once you realize that that so much of our direction
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: is based on our responses to circumstances, it's incredibly empowering.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: You know, we're not kind of in the passenger seat
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: of our lives. We're utterly in the driver's seat. And
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: things can happen in our control and outside of our
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: control that can be quite negative, but we should harness
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: the fact that we can then choose how to respond
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: to that situation. Now give even that sometimes we can't
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: make a choice immediately alongside like a crisis or a disaster.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: And I've really been thinking in the more recent years
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: about like the power of momentary pause, which goes against
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: this thing that I always to speak about of relentless
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: forward motion, and now I realize that in order to
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: have relentless forward motion, even if it's like small, small,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: small steps, sometimes we need the momentary pause to get
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: back on relentless forward motion. And that is what resilience
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: has kind of come down to me. It's like ownership
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: and like being proud and feeling so frickin lucky that
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: I get to own my choices.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: Ah, woman, you're speaking to my soul. I'll tell you
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: a quick story.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: I was at the gym this morning and the workout
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: that I had on DAK was like two sixteen minute blocks,
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: and so you start with the warm up. That warm
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: up is two miles. I do one sixteen minute block.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: I already at that point started to feel just super emotional.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: I'm dealing with that huge life transition right now. And
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: at the end of the first sixteen minute block, like
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: the wheels totally fall off and I am crying. I
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: am like, all right, like I'm going to call this one.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: It's just not my day. I go into the locker
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: room and I stand there and I'm like, not today,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: this is not how it's going to end today. And
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: I literally changed my mask, put a different mask on,
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: went back upstairs, got back on a different tread mill
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: and a different part of the gym, and finished another
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: sixteen minute block. And for me, that is like very
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: much what you're talking about about this momentary pause. Like
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: sometimes we have so many feelings or could have judgment
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: about not executing something in a way that we thought
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: that it should be executed. But then in turn it's
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: up to us to kind of come back to what
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: it is your purpose is or what it is your
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: mission is with this particular item.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: For me, getting the thing done was more important than
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: the method.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: In which it happened, So to go back upstairs to
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: kind of put my pride aside and go back into
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: that after taking that very very valuable momentary pause, game changer.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: Game changer.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I couldn't agree more. And I think it's
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: powerful when you realize taking a little stop is the
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: thing that reduces the overwhelm in the mind, because I
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: think when you're at the brink, like mentally or physically,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: we inevitably think we have very few options at our disposal.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: So it's about finding a way of reducing the stress
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: and anxiety that goes through our body in our mind,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: and there's like everyone's got to work at their own
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: took it, their own took it for reducing overwhelm, momentary
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: pause is one of them. But more importantly, momentary pause
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: helps us access the other tools. So that's the gateway
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: to get to those ones. Whether that's like momentary pause,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: then I'm going to do some deep breathing momentary pause.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: I'm going to sit down and I'm just going to
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: like regroup my thoughts. Momentary pause. I'm going to get
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: my headphones in and that's going to take me to
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: an altered state, like no momentary ports, get some food.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: I could go for ten hours on all these different
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: things you could do. But think about it Internet, Like
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: when you're hitting the wall in a marathon, I think
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: we we think I've got to keep going away that
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: I was going, Oh, I've got to stop. We feel
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: a failure when we've got to start walking. We feel
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: a failure when you know, like we do the walk run,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: walk run, you know, like and it's actually not the truth,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Like no one's telling us how we have to do
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: these things. Yes, we can have ideals about it, which
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: creates structure to the planning and all that's beautiful, but
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: yielding to the circumstance is actually where the growth happens.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: And I think what I hear when you say this
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: is the importance of being agile in your methods, you know,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: agile pivot.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: It's so it's so important. You know, last year we
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: went through an adventure, not about choosing now. I've always
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: thought that adventure is defined as a journey with an
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: unknown outcome, and when you enter into those any start line,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: you cannot hold on to your active being the outcome
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: and the journey at the same time. You've got to
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: make a choice at the start. I always say to myself,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: I don't give it crap about how it's going to end.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: I'm focusing on the journey. And I think last year,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: like something happened to us on an adventure level that
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: we none of us wanted to sign up for. And
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: you know, people experienced some severe hardship, and obviously not
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: talking about the people who were in like states of
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: peril and in a really really bad way, but for
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: everyone who had still had a roof over their head,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: who was able to pay for food, whose health was intact,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: and just had to be in lockdown there was a
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: lot of different coping mechanisms for going with and through
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: that adventure.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: To your point in these adventures, so to speak, like
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: the crisis is going to happen. But then, just like
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: what I was reflecting on from my experience of the
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: gym before, and as many had to reflect upon over
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: the last fourteen plus months, you are in charge of
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: your response to Vie's crisis.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: You know, I've also felt not only in charge, but
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: some of the best things that have happened to me
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: in my life have been out of a crisis or
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: significant disruption. I could go back to, like, I mean,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if I'm going to talk about this,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: but like in Egypt, you know, in one of the
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: races I did, I faced a sexual assault situation, and sorry,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: trigger sometimes I don't talk about it that often. Actually
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: just a conference where I spoke about it. Then someone's like,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: you need to give a trigger warning, and I was like,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: I didn't get a trigger warning. No one gave me
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: a trigger warning. And it happens to so many women.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: We should just be comfortable talking about it. Coming out
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: of it and out of the trauma and the crisis.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: It then definitely realigned me to working within my purpose
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: and to also being able to connect and engage which
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: humanity in a whole other level. And it was the
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: ripple effect for the work that I did in South
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Africa in India, which is now the ripple effect of
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: why I'm doing a new project in India, well for India,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: should I say right now as we speak. And so
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: disruption and crisis has been some of the best catalysts
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: for me moving deeply in purpose.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: For you, I mean, if we're gonna unpack Egypt, just
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: briefly put us in the d's that led up to
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: this incident.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: For l So I've actually never just been the one
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: that's brought up Egypt. People are always like, try and
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: bring it up, and I don't know what I've just
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: brought it up then, but it's on my mind as
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: this ultimate now catalyst for good. I was doing a
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: six day stage race. It was in Sahara Desert and
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: it's like the hottest desert on the planet. And I
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: was definitely not fit going into that race. I was
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: studying really, really hard and I literally was finishing an
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: assignment to the very night before this six day stage race.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: And when is that This is in twenty ten. It
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: was part of that fourth series. So in day one
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: I kind of went out and, you know, kind of midpacker.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: But I had known by that point that like just
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: give your self paced, like starting is everything, even if
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: for men just starting slow, just kind of start. You
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: will adapt if you're patient. And then on day two
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: I felt a little bit better and I was running
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: with a group of guys and they it was great,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: we had camaraderie, we were talking, it was awesome. But
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: we got into a checkpoint and they were just taking
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: forever to fill up their water bottles, and I was
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: kind of like, oh do I wait to keep going?
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: And I just kind of like to like water and go.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: I don't like to kind of like sit because sometimes
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: when I sit, that's when I'm like it's hard to
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: get back up again. So I kind of went off.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: That's when I actually saw an Egyptian up on a
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: top of a sand dune. And it's in these races,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: like the race directors don't have like race management team
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: out on the courts. Typically, you know, they meet you
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: at checkpoints, but in between the checkpoints there's no one there.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: So I remember just feeling like oh, what's he doing there?
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Like what is there a race official? What's going on?
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: And I had no contextualization for like how close we
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: were to a town or a village. Like I just
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: was like, I'm in Egypt, I'm in the Sahara Desert,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: I'm like in the race world. And you know, without
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: kind of going through like the full description, but there
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: was an interaction and clearly he was not a part
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: of the race team, and he attempted to sexually assault
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: me during the race. And I'm very very lucky that
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: a man on a motorbike came by and scared him away.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: And I always look back at that moment and kind
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: of go like I had poles in my hands, and
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't do anything to defend myself literally as it happened.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: I just like stood there, paralyzed with fear. And I
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: always thought that I would have more of a fight
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: in me, but in that moment, I had no fight.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: And then when I tried to scream, nothing came out.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: And then after that point I lost my voice for
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: a bit, like of the race, like it's like I'd
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: lost my Yeah. Anyway, I kind of like moved forward
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: through the race, terrified and I'll always remember that. It
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: was like a lot of wind, and there were these
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: little race pink like flags that were directing you which
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: way to go. I kept flapping in the wind, and
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: I kept thinking that he was behind me, and so
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: I ended up kind of like kind of crawling like backwards,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: like looking one direction and kind of going forward. And
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't take on any fluids. I was just like
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: survival mode, get to safety. And the first person I
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: saw was Jennifer Steinman, who is like one of my
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: dearest friends in the world now, and she was actually
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: a filmmaker and she was out there filming. I didn't
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: really know what she was filming. She was initially filming
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: this Irish guy, but then she was just filming everyone.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: And she now tells me that when she saw me,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: it was this like filmmaker's dilemma. Do I film what's
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: happening or do I get this girl who's become my
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: friend to safety? And she said she put down without
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: hesitation her camera and walked me one kilometer into the
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: checkpoint and then like all my composure went and I
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: just kind of like broke down. And yeah, I mean,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: in the end, like I nearly wanted to wanted to
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: quit because I had like dehydrated, heat, exhaustion, mentally switched
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: out from it. Kind of like it was like I
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: didn't think that that could happen. Just so freaking naive
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: of me. I mean, I always think like in these experiences,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: we're so we always do the post mortem, Like we
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: always kind of analyze and reflect on a situation after
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: it's occurred, but we don't investigate the pre mortem, which
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: is so important of going like what are all the
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: reasons why in this run, in this business venture, I
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: won't complete it or we won't be successful. And I've
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: been pretty good at doing that through my life because
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: my legal brain. But I remember all my pre mortem
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: like barriers were like about me, like I'll get dehydration,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: or I can't carry the pack, or I'll get a blister.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like you're running in a country where the
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: status of women is incredibly inferior to that of a man.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: I didn't think that I was that close to a village.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: I just did not contemplate it, and I quit. But again,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: this is like where I really learned about momentary pause.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: They I still had seven k's left it that day
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: to go I'm like, I'm done. They put me in,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: put me back in the tent, and they were all
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: these competitors who thought that I was the first female
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: to finish for that day, and so everyone's coming by
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: the tent and like congratulating me, and I'm like, I
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: don't want to explain that. I don't want to accept congratulations.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: Felt like this icky in between land and with like
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: forty five minutes, I was just like I've got to
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: go back out there, like.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: You know, I do you know what?
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: It was, just like I can't let someone that I'm
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: never going to see again control my future is going
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: to look like for me. It was as simple as that.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: And so I went back out there and it was
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: like it was like a warrior run. Like I had
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: our little iPod that I was going to save for
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: day five of the race because it's a long stage,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: and I was like fuck that, I'm using the iPod
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: and I'm like using that precious battery and I like
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: put on. I don't even know what it was, but
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: whatever I did, it like transported me to like the
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: strongest version of who I needed to be. And you know,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: even to this day, I did a presentation yesterday and
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: people I discussed this situation and someone said, do you reckon,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: She's over it? Like they said to one of my
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: friends at the table, do you reckon, She's over it?
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: And she's like, she's totally over it. And I'm like,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: I got over it then, like I got over it
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: in that seven K run. And what I can say
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: is like, we finished these experiences where things happen outside
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: of back control and they're really horrific. We never expected it.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: We have a choice. Is this going to form part
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: of our narrative that negatively impacts every single thing that
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: we do in the future, or is it just a
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: part of what you've experienced and maybe just maybe it
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: can become part of your superpower? And for me it
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: was the latter.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: It's interesting that question. Do you think that she's over it?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know necessarily, and maybe this is perhaps just
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: my perspective, but I don't know if that's actually something
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: that you quote unquote get over.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: I think to your point, it becomes a part of
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: your story.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: And sure, maybe you're not deep in those feelings that
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: you experienced in that tent anymore, of course not. I mean,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: I'm so happy to hear you harnessing that experience and
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: now using it to fuel your passion and where you're
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: going and what you hope for others in this world.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: But I don't necessarily know if that's ever something that
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: you just quote unquote get over.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: You know, No, it's like a part of us, like
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: all that experiences for in the fabric of who we are.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: It definitely has made me. I've leaned into understanding that
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: situation a bit more. And I remember when I did
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: work in India and I was exploring those barriers to
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: quality education, and I remember reading about a case in
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: twenty twelve where a young woman was sexually assaulted, raped
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: and then murdered by well gang raped on a bus
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: in New Delhi. Most horrific, like such the most horrific crime.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: And then I remember watching a documentary about it and
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: those boys who did it from And not that it's
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: like I have compassion for those boys, like I actually don't,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: But I have compassion for people who are living in
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: a situation where they are brought up to not know
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: any better, where they don't have any opportunity to have
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: any positive interactions with the other gender. They also are
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: not going to school these boys did not have the
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: opportunity to go to school and it's horrific crime. And
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: they did. And you would hope that humanity would tell
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: you that that is completely wrong. But they were ingrained
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: in a culture which was incredibly patriarchal, where there was
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: no respect for women, and those boys were a subject
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: of their environment as well. And so when I decided
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: to run across India, initially I was like, it's all
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: going to be about focused on women. And then I
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: was like, if there's also boys not going to school,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: and if I don't open up my remit of belief
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: that both boys and girls need to go to school
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: together and have the opportunity to have these positive relationships
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: with each other from a young age, to gain respect
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: and understanding for each other, then the potentially, like the
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: solution is not going to be achieved.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: And something else that you were talking about before was
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: kind of getting down on yourself a little bit about
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: maybe not thinking about all of the different possibilities that
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: could happen in that scenario. But I feel like many
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: can relate about that idea when it comes to our
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: everyday life. I remember, on one of the first episodes
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: of the show, I sat down with someone who said,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: if you don't have a plan, b that you don't
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: have a plan. But the thing is is that you
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: can only do so much risk mitigation, so to speak,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: to prepare you for the every day. But sometimes it
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: goes back to what we were saying about making that
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: pivot in the herd at all and being agile and
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: understanding that there's only so much preparing you can do
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: and not getting down on yourself when these hurdles arise.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, beautifully said I mean, and I mean another thing
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: that it's really empowered me to think about is allowing
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: more women to have the opportunity to experience our wild
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: places and to nature. And I mean when I was
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: a kid, like I was outdoorsy, but I probably wasn't
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: that outdoorsy and I definitely didn't build up my resilience
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: and my self reliance and confidence and being capable in
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: the outdoors. And there's a lot of girls are into
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: that category. Like, we didn't get shown how to put
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: up a tent. We might have helped in the tent process,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: but we were never left to do it ourselves. We
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: didn't build a fire, and like it's kind of helped me.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: I cred recently this year again like an idea coming
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: out of COVID was this community called her Trails with
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: a really good friend of mine who's based in la
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: He's a Nike athlete and trainer, Beck Wilcock, and we've
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: known each other since, you know, like a decade ago
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: when we were training for Trails back in the day,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: and we've stayed in touch and we've created this like
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: really incredible community where we do like holistic online programs
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: And the first one was a half marathon because I've
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: always felt that the half marathon, when trained properly, is
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: a gateway for any distance if you do it holistically.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: So if you inbed, you know, runs that have different
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: stimulus from like speed and hills and threshold and all
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: that stuff, when you do your mobility, when you do
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: your strength, when you educate yourself on like what we've
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: got this thing called like a trial time series and
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: it's different elements of the physical, mental, and logistical, and
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: then like we also have like a weekly podcast and
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: it's been like the best thing about creating community and
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: reminding women like what we learn in these runs and
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: in these adventures should be carried through into our everyday
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: life in anything else we do, which is about how
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: to be resilient, to how to be resourceful and self reliant,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: and also how to have fun, like to take the
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: light side of this stuff. Like, I mean, we've talked
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: about a bunch of heavy topics in the last little bit,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: but like the lightness of our life is actually what
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: carries us through a lot of hardship as well. And
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: it's just something that you know, running is amazing, but
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: it's not everything, right, It's like it's really the smallest
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: thing in the world, but it can give us so
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: much joy if we approach it that way.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: All right, Sam, what is Relief Run?
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Ah? Thank you? Amazing. Relief Run kicked off in twenty twenty.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: Myself and my really good friend Nick Davidson decided to
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: put together basically an e commerce platform to establish a
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: virtual run to support this train bush by a relief crisis.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: And for any of your listeners who possibly took part
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: in the relief runt, I want to thank you because
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: I was amazed that more people from overseas signed up
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: for it than Australia and we had nineteen thousand registered
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: participants from ninety six countries on every continent of the planet.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: And in a twelve day campaign that had only a
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: two day leading period with no major brand celebrity, we
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: raised one point I think as one point two or
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: something million dollars in twelve days. And we had this
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: deal with Stripe. But I don't know if you guys
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: used Stripe much in North America, but Stripe initially was like, yeah,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: what have you guys raised, We'll just wave the transaction fee.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: And they never knew we'd get to a million, and
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: they were like, okay, they've come in it too. You know,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: they waived all of our transaction fee. So every single
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: dollar or what people gave in their fifty dollars registration
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: fee went to the strain bush By crisis, to families
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: that were experiencing incredible loss, and it's like been very
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: transformative to those people. Twenty twenty one, what I think
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: is one of the biggest global crisises right now is
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: what's happening in India. And you know, you can tell,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: like India holds such a big part in my heart,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: but India holds one six of the world's population. It
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: holds a big part in everyone's life, whether you know
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: it or not. There's been so many reports in the
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: last couple of days with people going, my invoices haven't
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: been paid. So I've like called this company and then
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: I find out from the call center that the invoices
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: are not being paid because all the family, all the
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: Indians who are working maybe in that call center, are
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: either looking after six people sick family members they're sick
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: or they might have lost their life. It's like horrific.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: Over four thousand people are losing their life per day
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: in injury at the moment, and we're not even getting
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: close to the peak. And also the reporting is probably
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: really incorrect. There are journalists who are waiting at crematoriums
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: and saying it's in a factor of five to ten
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: higher than that amount. But there's just not enough testings
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: in the rural communities, like they just don't have access.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: It's incredibly primitive medical services up there. And so we
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: decided to reboot the relief run and in fact, it's
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: going to be a kind of concept moving forward that
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: will direct whatever is the kind of global issue that
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: should really require a global mass response. And so the
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: weekend of the eleventh of June to the tenth of
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: June anywhere, anytime, you know, do it, and it's gonna
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: be a five K, ten K or a twenty one K,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: and it's a fifty dollars Australian but anyone from around
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: the world can register and it's all going to go
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: to World Vision Australia's India COVID nineteen appeal. And I
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: can say hand on heart, I have worked with World
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: Vision Australia as an ambassador and I but more importantly,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: I've been on the ground in the communities all across
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: India and so I know their reach and I know
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: their community focused and so I feel very confident that
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: it's going to go to supporting the most important people
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: who are coping the most severely in India right now.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: And we're launching hopefully on Monday. But it's been like
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: I've been at this basically we decided on Friday, and
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: we've been like, you know, this is kind of my
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: you know, my thing. I could turn something from nothing
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: into something, but I don't do it on my own.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: I now put together the most amazing people to do it.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: And it's because I've now had over a decade of
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: credibility of doing what I say I'm going to do
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: and crafting these projects and being and sparent in my
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: social impact and advocacy. And that's what comes from experience.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: From the outside looking in. If you were to remove
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: yourself and you heard someone just give that explanation, how
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: would that make you feel to hear someone talking about
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: putting into place something that literally will help thousands and
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of people.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, to be honest, like I this makes me
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: feel ave an emotional because I don't think about that.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: I just kind of think about we're not going to
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: do anywhere near enough. To be perfectly honest, the amount
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: of people in India who are going through, Like I've
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: got friends in India and their family members are seek
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: and you know, they don't have enough crematorium spaces, so
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: people's bodies are being put up into the rivers right now.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: Like the situation is like there's a beautiful quote that
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: I needed to hear and so that by this guy Remanan,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: He's an epidemiologist and economist at Princeton. He's been camped
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: out with his family and an apartment in New Delhi.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: He's the founder and director of the Center for Disease dynamics, economics,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: and policine. Is an expert in antibiotic resistance and basically
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: he goes. Government statistics indicate that the virus is newly
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: infecting millions of Indians each week and that some twenty
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: thousand or thirty thousand people are dying weekly, but most experts,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: including this economist, says that that number captures a fraction
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: of the true COVID nineteen toll. He says, quote, it's
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: a war zone. It's worse than what you're reading in
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: the papers or seeing on TV. Whatever the numbers are,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: they don't tell the full story. The human toll is devastating.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: The current surge differs fundamentally from India's experience last year.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: This is truly a national wave. It's not urban, it's
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: not rural. It's not north or south, it's everywhere. It
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: just sums it up for me because often places in
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: India get like really localized to the area in which
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: they live in like a crisis or certain circumstances affecting
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: one part of the country. But it is everywhere, and
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know how they're going to get it back
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: on track. They certainly what they need is like medical
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: supplies PPD. You know, they obviously need a much swifter
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: response from the government as well. But how can we
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: not as humans allow someone a country to be in
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: that degree of suffering and not do one small thing.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: And what I can say from seeing the relief from
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: last year, which is probably a bit more positive note
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: than what I felt when you first asked me that question,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: is we all do one little thing and it counts up,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: so like mass micro donation is the most empowering, powerful
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: thing to do. Like we don't just need one company
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: to give us like tens of thousands of dollars. All
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: we're asking is like a whole bunch of people to
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: give fifty bucks and it goes super super far. And
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: if you think, like what I've been fifty dollars is
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: a lot for a lot of people. But probably it's
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: a meal out, Like it's like us sacrificing one meal
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: for possibly someone to have their life safe. And when
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: you put it in perspective like that, it's really not
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: a hard decision to make, particularly when it allows us
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: to feel a part of a solution. And you know,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: I've run across India, I put my body and I
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: guess in some way sometimes my life on the line,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: and I didn't raise anywhere near the amound that I
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: did through the relief run. The reason for that is
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: a couple like obviously the bushfires, like was in the
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: hearts and minds of everyone all around the planet because
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: it was all over the media. I don't think what's
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: happening in India is in anywhere near the degree in
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: the media as Istra and bush By crisis. Like. It's
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: pretty horrific when you think about it. I think it's
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: maybe we're desensitized from seeing people in India suffer, and
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: I think we need to stop that narrative because people
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: don't deserve to suffer just because they live in a
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: certain country. Yeah, and people can make a difference. So
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: that's my call to action. Please join us on the
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: relief run anywhere eleventh or thirteenth, bring your You know
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: what was so powerful last time is like all run
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: leaders in different parts of the country and different parts
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: of the world mobilize their community. It was everyone's initiative
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: and that was what was so cool about it. I
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: clearly don't need to run across the country for us
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: to do something amazing. Everyone just needs to go in
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: for a little run.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: For a little run, you said everyone can do something small.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: I just again need to praise you because what you're
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: doing and this organization and this effort is not small
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: at all.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: It's actually quite big.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: So it's really beautiful to see you in purpose, on purpose,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: going after something that really matters to you. I think
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: so many times throughout this episode we've talked about the
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: benefit of the momentary pause, and so I come to
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: you and pose this question, which is, how do you
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: make sure to intentionally take that momentary pause so that
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: you can keep showing up in these big ways? Because
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: again I don't have to rattle off the dozens of
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: causes and thousands and thousands of people that you're in
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: individual efforts and combination with others, but your individual efforts
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: have impacted so Sam, how do you momentary pause to
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: take care of you.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing a great job of it right now,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: because there is a finite window for this campaign to
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: get up and to hit into the hearts and minds
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: of people while India is in the media space. And
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: I accept that, and the campaign's life goes to June fourteenth, essentially,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: and I'm willing to like go hard at it for
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: that period. But then and I think we can in
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: small doses and small windows, when we know the exit
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: point is, we can really go to the capacity and
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: we can deepen and we do great work, and we
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: could be single minded focused. And I'm very lucky to
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: have an incredible husband who backs me doing this and
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: helps me at home, like we have an equal partnership,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: and I couldn't do what I do without him, even
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: though he's launching his book this week or next week,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm like, sorry, I know you've been
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: working on that for a long time, but we're doing
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: relief Run again. But that's the team, Like that's the
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: team that I have in my personal life, and I
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: have professional teams that allow me to do it as well.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: But I promise you, because I'm promising myself listening to
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: me myself talk right now, that high frequency state in
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: which I'm operating in right now cannot be sustained. And
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: on June maybe sixteenth, after I've made sure all the
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: funds have gone to the right place and done all
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: my documentations and ticked off all the appropriate things, like,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: I'll go off social media and then I have a
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: break because I'll be prolifically on social media, sharing the
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: stories and like being engaged because we're offering a service.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: The interesting thing is when we did the relief from
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: last time, you know, some people are happy to give
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: the donation, but other people genuinely just want to do
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: it because they want to do a virtual run. And
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: our job is like offering a service is like you've
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: got to be incredibly professional. You've got to respond to
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: every single email. And we had nineteen thousand people sign
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: up last time, and they say it's always like a
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: couple of percent that always have an inquiry. So that's
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: a lot our emails to respond to. And I'm going
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: to do it again this time. I've got a few
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: more people. I'm working on it, but I will be
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: just getting back into my normal run routine when I
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: get home after like June fourteenth. But I think an
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: interesting thing for your listeners, who are obviously probably a
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: lot of them are runners. We define ourselves often by
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: our ability to run. I now am in a place
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: where I know that I can't do these projects and
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: work super hard on them and be running at the
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: same time, and so I have to kind of like
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: take that off me in order to have capacity mentally
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: and physically in order to do it. But then I
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: just go out for walks. So it's a more yinn
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: restorative based thing. And it's something that if you start
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: your day with five bars, going for a run sustains
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: a bar, but doing something of a mindfulness level like
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: meditation or yoga or a walk creates a new bar.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: And so that's how I kind of create bars now
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: and then I do a complete restoration at the end
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: I will hold you to that.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: I also, I love that you just reiterated that you
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: have found the right way for you to show up
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: to something that's really important to you, and not to
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: compare yourself or judge how you need to get through
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: these moments and these challenges based on what you might
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: see somebody else doing and how they execute. Also, it's
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: impossible not to draw a comparison to how you were
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: just articulating that you feel you must show up over
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: the next month or so. This will come out in
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, but over the next month or
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: so leading up to this relief run, drawing the comparison
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: between that and perhaps in the moment running a marathon,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: right you show up and you're at the marathon, and
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: that's the focus for the next three, four, five, however
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: long it takes you to do it hours.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: Like people might look at the way that I do
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: things and good, that's just not for me. My best
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: friend has some of the best boundaries I've ever seen.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: And she goes, say, I choose to not be busy,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: and I go, I'm happy to be busy in isolated
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: periods of time if it's for a really important reason,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: and like that's fine, Like we hold space for each other.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: We know how it works. Like if she's doing a
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Juice clans, like I can't even call her because she's
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: like my boundaries, you don't call me when I'm doing
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: this for myself. But I'll still pick up my phone
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: for my really close friends right now, even if I'm
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: in a really caded period of time, because like there's
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: like five or six people that if they call, I'll
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: just always answer the phone. And so, like we all
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: have our own formula. Just work out what works for you.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: And it's like the whole idea of extension in life
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: is you're meant to extend in your uniquely marvelous, unique way.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: And that's a part of life, like and I think
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: we learn the more we do, the more we go
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: beyond a comfort zone, the more we can work that out.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: Right now, if I was to look at your Instagram,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: you look to be this adventure and endurance athletes, a mom,
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  Speaker 2: a wife, founder of.
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  Speaker 3: The her Trails.
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  Speaker 2: As we talked about before with back, when you look
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  Speaker 2: in the mirror, what is it that you see looking
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  Speaker 2: back at you?
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  Speaker 1: These are all things that I do, but I just
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  Speaker 1: am not defined by any of them. Actually, one of
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  Speaker 1: my really closest girlfriends did exactly what you just did
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  Speaker 1: to me four hours ago. She goes, do you know
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  Speaker 1: you're doing all these things right now? And I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but like I chose to do all that stuff, Like
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  Speaker 1: I love all those different components to my life, Like
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  Speaker 1: I've crafted a career when I get to do all
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  Speaker 1: the stuff that I love, like no one, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: on the race to nowhere. I'm on like my race.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I look at in the mirror of Like
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  Speaker 1: I choose my day. I yes, it goes intense at times.
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  Speaker 1: I could pull it back if I want. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I can go full throttle if I want to as well.
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  Speaker 1: But like I live a pretty incredible life and I
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  Speaker 1: have an incredible family who I love a lot, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to show like the icky, yucky, hard stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And I think I would just ask that more people
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  Speaker 1: be willing to kind of show that because I have
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  Speaker 1: also experienced. The more that I show, like the challenge
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  Speaker 1: of it, the more people go, I'm so glad you
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  Speaker 1: do it. And I'm like, well, if you like seeing it,
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  Speaker 1: you show it too.
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  Speaker 3: You show it too.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, my friend, you have an opportunity to give
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  Speaker 2: the Sam who is headed back to Australia after spending
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  Speaker 2: that time in Texas trying to really find her footing
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  Speaker 2: and what it is that she wants to do and
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  Speaker 2: where it is that she wants to take her career.
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  Speaker 2: You right now have an opportunity to give that woman
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  Speaker 2: a piece of advice.
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  Speaker 3: What do you tell her?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no regrets. One of the speakers at the conferences
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  Speaker 1: that I'm at right now, her name's Bronnie Warem, and
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  Speaker 1: she's got this book called The Five Common Regrets to
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  Speaker 1: the Dying and she was an Australian palliative care nurse,
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  Speaker 1: you know, doing what is some of the most important work,
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  Speaker 1: like helping people transition into that ultimate unknown, and when
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  Speaker 1: she was doing it, she recorded the regrets, and the
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  Speaker 1: number one regret was I wish I had the courage
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  Speaker 1: to live a life true to myself and not the
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  Speaker 1: life that others expected of me. The fifth regret was
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  Speaker 1: I wish I'd let myself be happier. So I think,
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  Speaker 1: no regrets and like just doing what you want to do.
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  Speaker 1: And I've done that, Like I've done that through my life,
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  Speaker 1: and so I would just kind of keep I remind myself, like,
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  Speaker 1: just don't have regrets everything that you do at one
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  Speaker 1: point in your life, whether it was good, bad, it
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  Speaker 1: was a failure, there lessons. It's a piece of that puzzle.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said at the very beginning, like I love
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  Speaker 1: how the puzzle all comes together, and sometimes it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make sense, like the pieces that kind of look fragmented
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  Speaker 1: and they're apart, but with like trust and faith and
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  Speaker 1: confidence in yourself, like you can, they'll come together at
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  Speaker 1: the right time.
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  Speaker 2: So grateful to know you, so excited to see what
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  Speaker 2: you're doing, and so happy to promote it. How do
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  Speaker 2: you go, Hurdlers, keep up with you and one more
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  Speaker 2: time and give us some information and details about the
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  Speaker 2: upcoming Relief Run.
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  Speaker 1: Yes you, I am most prolific on at Samantha Gash Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: Our her trails account is at her Underscore Trails. So
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  Speaker 1: if anyone wants to kind of do any of the
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  Speaker 1: programs when traveling comes back up, I'd love to have
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  Speaker 1: you in Australia and have you for a retreat. They're
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  Speaker 1: just like amazing, They're the best. I'd love to host you.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously Relief Run it's at Relief Run. It's the
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  Speaker 1: website's going to be Relief Run dot com dot au.
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  Speaker 1: It's going live in a couple of days, so probably
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  Speaker 1: a bit into when you release this podcast, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: over the weekend of the eleventh or thirteenth, I wrmly
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  Speaker 1: encourage you to register to do the run, to share
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  Speaker 1: it with your people, because that's how it took off
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  Speaker 1: last time. It didn't take off because of me. It
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  Speaker 1: took off because people felt connection to it and they
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  Speaker 1: shared it and therefore it spread. Like I would say,
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  Speaker 1: like ninety five percent of people would have no idea
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  Speaker 1: that it was Samantha Gash in Australia, like ferreting away
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  Speaker 1: in her Den on the stuff on the website and
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly how it should be. So let yourself be
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  Speaker 1: a leader in your community to being the catalyst for change.
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  Speaker 3: Grateful for you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm over at Emily a Body and at Hurdle Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time