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Inside the OIG Interview: Tova Noel’s Account of the Morning Jeffrey Epstein Died (Part 1-3) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to begin taking
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  Speaker 1: a look at the Tova Noel deposition that she gave
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  Speaker 1: to the OIG investigators as part of the investigation into
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  Speaker 1: the death of Jeffrey Epstein. So we're going to skip
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  Speaker 1: over all of the swearing in and all of that
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  Speaker 1: and we're just going to dive in. So once again,
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  Speaker 1: the person asking questions has his name redacted. And Tova
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  Speaker 1: Noel's lawyer is named Mr. Foy. So when Mr. Foy interjects,
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  Speaker 1: and you hear me say Foy, that's what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: And she also has a second attorney with her, Mr. Saraga.
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  Speaker 1: So when either of them object, I'll make sure to
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  Speaker 1: notate that as we're making our way through this. And
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  Speaker 1: the final person that's involved in this is Ms. Gregg,
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  Speaker 1: who is part of the union, I believe, for the
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  Speaker 1: corrections officer, Tova Noel. Redacted, thank you everyone. Ms. Noel,
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  Speaker 1: you're here today as a subject in this DOJ OIG investigation.
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  Speaker 1: This DOJ OIG investigation concerns your alleged misconduct to include
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  Speaker 1: allegations of false statements, job performance failure, security failure, and
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  Speaker 1: reporting false information. This is an official DOJ OIG investigation
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  Speaker 1: and you're being asked... to voluntarily provide answers to our questions.
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  Speaker 1: Will you agree to voluntarily interview with the DOJ, OIG? Ms. Noel, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: all right, great. And then everybody that does voluntary interviews
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  Speaker 1: with the DOJ, we provide them with voluntary interview forms.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys were sent that at
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  Speaker 1: the time, but it says United States Department of Justice,
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  Speaker 1: Office of the Inspector General, warnings and assurances to employee-requested
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  Speaker 1: to provide information on a voluntary basis. You are being
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  Speaker 1: asked to provide information as part of an investigation being
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  Speaker 1: conducted by the Office of the Inspector General. This investigation
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  Speaker 1: is being conducted pursuant to the Inspector General Act of
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  Speaker 1: 1978 as amended. This investigation pertains to your alleged misconduct
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  Speaker 1: to include allegations of false statements, job performance failure, security failure,
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  Speaker 1: and reporting false information. This is a voluntary interview. Accordingly,
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  Speaker 1: you do not have to answer questions. No disciplinary action
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  Speaker 1: will be taken against you if you choose not to
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  Speaker 1: answer questions. Any statement that you furnish may be used
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  Speaker 1: as evidence in any future criminal proceeding or agency, disciplinary proceedings,
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  Speaker 1: or both. And of course, there's the DPA waiver. I
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  Speaker 1: understand the warnings and assurances started above or stated above,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm willing to make a statement or answer questions.
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  Speaker 1: No promises or threats have been made to me and
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  Speaker 1: no pressure or coercion of any kind has been used
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  Speaker 1: against me. You can take a look at this and
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  Speaker 1: review it. If you agree, there's a section there for
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  Speaker 1: your name and signature. Foy, so the only thing that
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  Speaker 1: this is actually subject to is the deferred prosecution agreement? Redacted, well,
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  Speaker 1: so there's the agreement that you had. So that's the
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  Speaker 1: part where I'm talking about the specific part where it
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  Speaker 1: says criminal. That's something I think that was worked out
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  Speaker 1: with the U.S. Attorney's Office. Foy, right, exactly. I know
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  Speaker 1: there is no sort of protection with regard to the
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  Speaker 1: disciplinary internally, the administrative thing. Will happen at some point,
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  Speaker 1: but I just wanted to make that clear. But go ahead,
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  Speaker 1: you can sign, Tova. Redacted, now obviously, that is pursuant
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  Speaker 1: to you answering questions truthfully. Foy, right, of course. That's
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  Speaker 1: the exception to our agreement. Noel, uh-huh. Redacted, all right,
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  Speaker 1: and the rest will be filled out by the two
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  Speaker 1: of us. Foy, okay. Redacted, and thank you for signing, Ms. Noel.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so I'm going to sign where it says
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  Speaker 1: signature of the office of the Inspector General Special Agent. Again,
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  Speaker 1: this is redacted. I'm printing my name. And Special Agent Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: can you fill out the rest of the signature of witness,
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  Speaker 1: name of witness, date, time, and place? Mr. Redacted, this
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  Speaker 1: is Agent Redacted signing on the signature of of witness. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: and then do you understand the form as you read
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  Speaker 1: and you review? Noelle, yes, I do. Redacted, great, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Before starting the interview, I'd like to place you under oath.
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  Speaker 1: Can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear
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  Speaker 1: to tell the truth and nothing but the truth during
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  Speaker 1: the interview? Miss Noelle, yes. Question? Thank you, ma'am. All right,
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  Speaker 1: please let me know if you do not understand any
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  Speaker 1: of my questions. Redacted, try to rephrase or ask it
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  Speaker 1: a different way. Noel, okay. Redacted, question. All right, so
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  Speaker 1: this is something we ask everybody. What's your current home address? Noel, redacted.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. What's your date of birth? Noel, redacted. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and your last four of your social security number? Noel, redacted. Question,
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  Speaker 1: thank you. What's the highest level of education? Noel, bachelor's degree. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and what was your bachelor's degree in? Noel, criminal justice. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: and where did you receive your degree from? Noel, John Jay. Question,
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  Speaker 1: John Jay in New York City? Noel, yes, sir. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and when did you graduate? Miss Noel, 2017. Redacted, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: What did you do, just briefly, prior to working with
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  Speaker 1: the BOP? Redacted, prior to working with the BOP, I
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  Speaker 1: worked in the post office. Redacted, okay, what did you
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  Speaker 1: do there? Noel, I was a mail handler. Redacted, and
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  Speaker 1: for how long? Noel, six months. Redacted, six months. Noel, uh-huh. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and that was in 2016. When did you do that? Noel, yes. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: 2015 and 2016. Noel, no, not at the post office.
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  Speaker 1: I was there 2017. Noel, 16, 17. Uh-huh. Redacted, oh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And do you have any military service? Noel, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and what is that? Noel, military service. Question, yeah. Can
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  Speaker 1: you tell me what the service? Noel, the army. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: the army. And how long were you in the army? Noel,
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  Speaker 1: six years. Redacted, from when until when? Noel, 2008 to 2014. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: and what did you do in the military? Noel, I
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  Speaker 1: was a patient administrative specialist. Redacted, and what is that? Noel,
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  Speaker 1: patient admin. Redacted, patient as in, like a hospital? Noelle, yes. Question, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So you worked in a hospital, and what was your
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  Speaker 1: rank when you left the military? Noelle, E4 specialist. Redacted.
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  Speaker 1: And did you leave? Were you honorably discharged? Noelle, yes. Redacted, okay. Foy,
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  Speaker 1: this is the lawyer for Tova Noelle. Can I, one second,
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  Speaker 1: real quick. For the post office, you said 16-17, but
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  Speaker 1: you started MCC in 2018. So would it be 17
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  Speaker 1: into 18? Noelle, 18, yeah. Redacted, you did start with
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  Speaker 1: the BOP in 18? Noelle, yes. Question, not in 16? Noelle, no.
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  Speaker 1: That was an error in Indiscernible. Foy, right. So it's
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  Speaker 1: 18 when she left the post office in 17, going to,
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  Speaker 1: so I think it's 16, no 17, 18. Noelle, 18. Foy,
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  Speaker 1: post office, then MCC. Redacted, Okay, and did you work
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  Speaker 1: for anybody prior or in between your military service and
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  Speaker 1: the post office? Noelle, no. Redacted, no. Okay, so were
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  Speaker 1: you unemployed at that time? Noelle, no, I was going
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  Speaker 1: to school. Redacted, oh, that's when you went to John Jay. Noelle,
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  Speaker 1: that's when I was going to John Jay, yeah. Redacted, okay,
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  Speaker 1: thank you. And then when was your enter on duty
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  Speaker 1: date with BOP? Miss Noelle, June 24th, 2018. Redacted. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And when did you graduate from BOP training down at
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  Speaker 1: the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center? Noel. I want to
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  Speaker 1: say September of 2018. Redacted. Okay. But you did graduate
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  Speaker 1: from there. Noel. Yes, I did. Redacted. Was that a
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  Speaker 1: correctional officer training? Noel. Yes. Redacted. All right. And when
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  Speaker 1: was your first office assignment with the BOP? Noel. Say
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  Speaker 1: that again. Redacted. when was your first office assignment with
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  Speaker 1: the BOP? So where did you start? Did you start
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  Speaker 1: working in MCC and work there the entire time? Noel, yes, sir. Redacted, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And what position have you had with the BOP? Noel,
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  Speaker 1: correctional officer. Redacted, okay, the entire time? Noel, yes, sir. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: all right. And when you were there last? You did.
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  Speaker 1: Who did you report to? Who was your direct supervisor?
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  Speaker 1: Or did you have one? Noelle, Lieutenant Redacted. Redacted. And
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  Speaker 1: do you know how to spell that last name? Noelle Redacted.
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  Speaker 1: Question from Redacted. Thank you. What is your current? Again,
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  Speaker 1: this is something we ask everybody. We won't be contacting
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  Speaker 1: your client. But what is your current cell number? Noelle Redacted. Mr. Redacted. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And how long have you had that number? Noelle, years. Redacted, years. Noelle, uh-huh. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: so for a long time. Noel, yes. Redacted, and to
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  Speaker 1: include in 2019? Noel, yes. Redacted, okay, so any other
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  Speaker 1: cell phone numbers? Noel, no. Redacted, okay, and your current
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  Speaker 1: email address? Noelle, um, redacted. Redacted, ask a question. Okay, great.
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  Speaker 1: And have you had that one for years also? Noelle, yes. Redacted, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Any others? Noelle, yes. Redacted. What are the others? Noelle, uh, redacted. Mr. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: you've had that for years? Noelle, yes. Questioned. Okay, both
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  Speaker 1: in 2019? Noel, yes. Redacted, okay, thank you. Do you
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  Speaker 1: have any current? I should have asked this. Are you
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  Speaker 1: currently employed right now? Noel, no. Redacted, by no other means? Noel, no. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and when did you last work at the MCC? Noel,
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  Speaker 1: August 10th, 2019. Redacted, and was that the same supervisor
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  Speaker 1: that you mentioned? Noel, yes. Redacted, okay, briefly, what training
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  Speaker 1: have you attended or conducted during your employment with the BOP?
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned the correctional officer training at FLETC. What other
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  Speaker 1: training have they provided you? Noel, there's two-week training when
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  Speaker 1: you first start at BOP. I forget what it's called. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: I have training. Noel, uh-huh. Redacted, and any other training? Noel, no. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: annual refresher training? Noel, I have one. Redacted, okay, so
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  Speaker 1: you've gone to annual, and what about like a shoe
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  Speaker 1: training course? Noel, no. Redacted, okay, but you did, and
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  Speaker 1: this is just, you guys can take a look at
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  Speaker 1: this if you would like. This is the training that
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  Speaker 1: we have for you, that we asked for your list
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  Speaker 1: of training. I'm not asking you to necessarily verify that
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  Speaker 1: you've conducted all of it, but it shows the last
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  Speaker 1: time you did your annual training was on 3-8-2019. was
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  Speaker 1: when you actually completed that week of training. Noelle, yes. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: does that sound correct? Noelle, correct. Question again. This just
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  Speaker 1: goes along with it. It shows what the syllabus was,
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  Speaker 1: as well as the sign-in sheet where Ms. Noelle signed in. Again,
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  Speaker 1: we're not asking you to, or for. If you want
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  Speaker 1: to take a look at this, you can. It shows
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  Speaker 1: that you did the training in March of 2019. And
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  Speaker 1: anything that I'm going to provide to you, can you
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  Speaker 1: just initial and date? And that's just a way for
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  Speaker 1: us to verify that that's what we showed you. Noelle, okay. Foy,
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  Speaker 1: each page or just the top? Redacted, nope, just the
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  Speaker 1: top of the page. Foy, okay. Redacted, no, you do
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  Speaker 1: have that. So just briefly, you don't have to like
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  Speaker 1: list off the course syllabus. But what did they cover
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  Speaker 1: during the annual training? Noelle, they spoke about different areas,
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  Speaker 1: like dealing with inmates. They spoke about the issues on
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  Speaker 1: the job, like dealing with shortages. They spoke about basically
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  Speaker 1: like mask fitted, I remember. Redacted mask fitting? Noelle, uh-huh. Redacted.
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  Speaker 1: Was that back in 2019? People were wearing masks as well? Noelle, no,
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  Speaker 1: like redacted. It's for OC sprays? Redacted. Oh, for OC spray. Noelle, yeah. Redacted. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Did they include things like ethics standards or conduct? Noelle, yes. Redacted.
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  Speaker 1: What about like counts and rounds? Noelle. I don't recall
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  Speaker 1: them talking about counts and rounds. Redacted, okay, so did
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  Speaker 1: they go over like MCC policy and guidance? Noelle, yes. Redacted, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and did they ever provide you with the policies and
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  Speaker 1: guidelines or did they just speak to you about it? Noelle,
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  Speaker 1: for in training? Redacted, yes. Noelle, they just spoke about it. Question,
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  Speaker 1: at another time did they provide you with the policies
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  Speaker 1: and guidelines? Noelle, yeah, it's on like the computer. Redacted, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have to certify that you like received it
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  Speaker 1: and you reviewed it? Policies and guidelines? No, well, I
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  Speaker 1: think I signed that like you received it. Redacted, right. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: if you don't mind. He asked her to sign the paper.
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  Speaker 1: You want it in the lower right? Redacted, doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: Top or bottom? You know, wherever there's room. I typically
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  Speaker 1: do the top, but bottom is totally fine. All right, folks,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up with the first episode here.
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  Speaker 1: And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to pick up where we left off. All the
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  Speaker 1: information that goes with this episode can be found in
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  Speaker 1: the description box. What's up everyone and welcome to another
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  Speaker 1: episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting
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  Speaker 1: right back to that Tova Noel interview with the OIG investigators. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: and now you mentioned that you didn't quite remember them
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  Speaker 1: going over training when conducting counts and rounds in this training.
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  Speaker 1: Did you, were you, did you ever receive training on
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  Speaker 1: conducting counts and rounds? Miss Noel, yes. Redacted, okay. When
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  Speaker 1: would that have been? Noel, in an IF training. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: and what does IF stand for? Noel, huh? Redacted, you
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  Speaker 1: want some clarity? I can tell you. Mr. Redacted, sure. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: just what it stands for. Institution familiarization training. Redacted, okay, great.
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  Speaker 1: And that's something that the MCC provided directly, Ms. Noel? Yes. Redacted, okay, great.
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  Speaker 1: And then you had mentioned, did you ever receive policy
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  Speaker 1: on counts and rounds? Noel, no. Redacted, I know you
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  Speaker 1: said you certified. Do you remember that specific policy, like
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  Speaker 1: receiving that? Noel, like specifically on counts and rounds? Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not asking you to like verbatim tell me what
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  Speaker 1: it was. I'm just saying. Like, were you provided and
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  Speaker 1: you reviewed it? Do you remember? Noelle, not specifically on
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  Speaker 1: counts and rounds. Just like a general. She gets cut off, right? Noelle, like?
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  Speaker 1: She gets cut off again. Like, you know, the housing
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  Speaker 1: orders or unit policy and things like that. When you're
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  Speaker 1: supposed to conduct counts. When you're supposed to do rounds.
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  Speaker 1: That type of thing. Redacted the post orders. Redacted post orders, right. Okay, great.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned you didn't remember. Ever going to quarterly shoe training?
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  Speaker 1: This is a sign-in sheet for quarterly shoe training. Is
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  Speaker 1: this your signature? On there for June 26, 2019? Noelle,
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  Speaker 1: you see how I'm last one on the bottom of
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  Speaker 1: all of them? Redacted, correct? Noelle, because I wasn't at
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  Speaker 1: the training. When I came. Redacted, did they provide it
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  Speaker 1: to you one-on-one though? Noelle, no. Redacted, so how come?
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  Speaker 1: He gets cut off by Noelle. Because when I came
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  Speaker 1: back from an injury, the lieutenant asked me to sign
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  Speaker 1: because they had program review. They need to show that
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  Speaker 1: I received the training, but I never did. She just
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  Speaker 1: asked me to sign. That's why I wonder why. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: who asked you to do that? Noelle, lieutenant redacted. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: so that supervisor you mentioned was your first line supervisor?
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  Speaker 1: Ask you to sign without providing you the training? Noelle, yes. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: and she didn't like provide you anything to review? Noelle, no. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: she didn't go over anything with you? Noel, no. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: did you discuss this with her? That how you can
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  Speaker 1: sign something without being provided the training? Noel, well, I
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  Speaker 1: just told her I wasn't here. I was out on
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  Speaker 1: an injury. She said she knows, but she needed me
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  Speaker 1: to sign because they need it for a program review. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: what's her first name? Noel, redacted. Question, and is she
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  Speaker 1: a lieutenant? Noel, I don't know what she is now.
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  Speaker 1: But she's not at MCC anymore. She's somewhere in Jersey. Redacted.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, before you go, are you done with that question? Redacted. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: let me. Um, I didn't do this. And I did
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  Speaker 1: forget to do this. There's an advisory to the union representative. Redacted. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Can you review this? And I do apologize. But since
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  Speaker 1: you're speaking up a little bit, let me hand this
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  Speaker 1: to you. And then you can review that. And then
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  Speaker 1: if you want to just take a look after you're
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  Speaker 1: done reviewing, you may sign it if you agree. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: will you be able to give me a copy of it? Question, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think it says on that that there will be
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  Speaker 1: forwarded a copy to you. Redacted, I didn't even see
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  Speaker 1: that part. Question, should I continue asking questions while she's
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  Speaker 1: reviewing that? Or do you want to wait? Foy, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you can ask questions, absolutely. Redacted, sure. So there's another
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  Speaker 1: training that you, it says that you conducted. On July 26, 2019,
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  Speaker 1: for shoe suicide prevention training. Do you also not receive
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  Speaker 1: that training? Noelle, yeah, I didn't. Redacted, you did not
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  Speaker 1: receive that training. Noelle, no. Redacted, did you receive? So
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  Speaker 1: there are slides in the back that show the training
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  Speaker 1: and how they conducted it. Did they provide you with
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  Speaker 1: those slides? Noelle, no, because I wasn't there. Redacted, you
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  Speaker 1: weren't there. Noelle, I was out with an injury. Redacted, okay.
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  Speaker 1: When were you out with an injury? What are the dates?
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  Speaker 1: Noel from March 2019. I came back in June. So
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  Speaker 1: when I came back in June, that's when I was
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  Speaker 1: told to sign this. Redacted, okay. Question, all right. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for signing the advisory to union representative. Redacted, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just going to sign that form as name of OIG
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  Speaker 1: special agent. Again, I do apologize for not providing that
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  Speaker 1: up front. Noelle, I want to call because, indiscernible, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just saying that, well, I know that the dynamics are
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  Speaker 1: that I should interrupt you in the middle of a question,
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  Speaker 1: but interrupt her answering a question. So I was just asking,
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  Speaker 1: were you done? Because I wanted to just step out
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  Speaker 1: for a second. Redacted, you want to step out? Noelle, uh-huh. Redacted, okay.
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  Speaker 1: We don't want to interrupt the interview because we have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of questions to get through. Redacted, mm-hmm. Question,
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  Speaker 1: if the attorneys ask that, that's not really, but if
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: you would like to. Redacted, so based on the agreement
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: we just signed, right? Redacted, sure. The union rep, it
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: acknowledges the right to have me representing her, and part
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: of those rights are the ability to assist in representing her, right?
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: And so I don't want to dispute, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to hold up the process at all. I just
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: want to say something to her. Redacted, sure. Let that, redacted,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: do that this time. But if this continues to happen,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I'm going to have to give you a different form
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: that says you can stay here voluntarily if you want,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: but we're going to ask you not to interrupt the interview.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: And if you do, we're going to ask her if
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: she wants to continue with the interview without you. Misredacted, so...
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: But that form says something contrary to what you're saying. Redacted,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a different form that says
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: that I'm going to let you interrupt the interview now
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: to talk to her out there. And if you do
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: it again, I'm going to ask you not to be
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: here any longer so that we can continue with the interview. Obviously,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: her attorneys would stay here. So I just want to
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: make sure that we don't just continue. Miss Redacted, I
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: just need clarity then. I need clarity. Redacted, sure. Miss Redacted,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: so the representing of and talking to the employee who
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I have the right to represent is considered by you
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: an interruption of the interview? Mr. Redacted, we haven't even
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: gotten to the questions yet. Miss Redacted, well, she gets
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: cut off by the OIG investigator. Yes, we need to
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: continue with the interview, but we're now, I can allow
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: you to do that now. I'm just not going to
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: be able to allow you to continue to stop the
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: interview and leave the room. Miss Redacted, I'm just asking
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: for clarity, right? So it was kind of. He cuts
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: her off. Sure, absolutely. Misredacted. And I don't mean to
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: be difficult. It kind of was yes or no. So
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: you're saying to me, based on the document that I signed, Mr. Redacted,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that you can assist her. Redacted. I didn't
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: get to. Mr. Sure, go ahead. Misredacted. Okay, so you're saying,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: based on the document that I signed, it's my right
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: to represent the employee. which is asking to caucus and
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: say something to Ms. Noel, is interrupting the interview, even
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: though I have the right to do so based on
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: the document I signed. Mr. Redacted, it's more for her
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: to be able to ask you for a question. Redacted,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: so it's just a yes or no. The interviewer, oh, oh, no, no.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I'm the one that's leading the interview here. So if
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: she stops and asks you for clarity, absolutely. You stopping
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: to inform her, no. Redacted, I never identified to you
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: that I would be informing her of anything. Mr. Redacted, okay,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: but so yes. To answer your question, you can be here.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: To represent her, if she's asking you for information, I
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: don't want you stopping our interview. Ms. Redacted, mm-hmm. Question,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: and then asking to leave the room. I'm going to
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: allow it this time. After that, I'll consider that an
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: interruption of the interview. Ms. Redacted, mm-hmm. Question, and then...
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: We have to proceed from there. And then there's different
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: form to provide you. So does that make sense? Misredacted. No,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: it doesn't. Question. Okay. So I'm asking you not to interrupt. Misredacted. Wait.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense, but I'm not. That was. He
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: cuts her off. So I'm asking you not to interrupt
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: the interview. She may defer to you and ask you
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: for questions. Misredacted. Uh-huh. I'm asking you not to interrupt
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: my questions. Misredacted. Okay. It doesn't make sense to me.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: What I'm. Interpreting is my ability to represent is only
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: if the employee asks a question. That's what you're saying
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: to me. Redacted. Correct. So her attorneys are here. Misredacted.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I got it. I got it. Redacted. Her attorneys are here.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I'm asking if she has a question from her union representative. Misredacted. Uh-huh. Redacted.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: She may have a question for you. Misredacted. I got it. Question.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I'm asking you not to interrupt. Miss Redacted, I got it. Redacted,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: these questions are not for you. They're not directed at you.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: They're directed at Miss Noel. Miss Redacted, I'm not answering questions.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to. I'm representing her. But I understand
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: that there has been a determination of how I'm able
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: to represent. And so, Redacted, deal with that in a
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: different venue. You can move forward. Mr. Redacted, all right,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: let me read this real quick in the paperwork so
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: that we're not going to have any disputes. Ms. Redacted,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: we don't have to. You don't have to continue, right?
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Because I don't want to interrupt. So you can go
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: forward and ask questions. Redacted, okay, so it just says
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: that you may not attempt to answer the questions or
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: dictate the employee's actions to question or otherwise take charge
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: of proceedings. But again, please feel free to go confer
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: with Ms. Noel. Ms. Redacted, I appreciate it. Thank you. Redacted,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I'm going to pause the recording. It's currently 10.32 a.m.,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: whereupon the above entitled matter went off the record and
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: went back on the record. Okay, the recorder is back on.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: This is 10.38 a.m., Tuesday, June 22, 2021. This is
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Senior Special Agent Redacted. We're resuming the interview. Ms. Noel,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I just remind you that you are under oath, and
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: this is a voluntary interview. What was your question? Redacted.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: You need me to initial? Redacted. If you don't mind.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: And again, it's just to show that you know what
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: we're looking at. Redacted. Now, since we took that break,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: is there anything else? He gets cut off by the
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: union rep. No, we can move forward. No, well, no,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: thank you. Redacted. Thank you again very much for your
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: cooperation in this matter. Is there anything else you wanted?
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: All right. Do you know where we left off? What
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: was the last question that we asked? It was what
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: we asked for in Discernible about the injuries. All right, folks,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up right here. And in the
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: up where we left off. All the information that goes
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: with this episode can be found in the description box.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode of the
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: where we left off with the deposition given by Tova
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Noel to the OIG investigators. Question, okay, so you were
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: telling us you said March through June you were injured. Ms. Noel, yes. Question,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: and you were not actually working during that time? Noel, no. Question,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: do you remember around when in March and when did
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: it end? Was it the beginning of March and the
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: March middle? Noel, I'm not sure. I just know it
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: was March. Redacted sometime in March? Noel, yes. Redacted, but
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: when you came back, was it around the 26th when
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: they asked you to sign those? Noelle, I came back
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: in June. I don't recall the exact date. Redacted, okay. Noelle,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: but I remember the day that I came into work,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: and the lieutenant asked me to go see Lieutenant Redacted,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: and she asked me to sign, and I said, but
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I wasn't here. I was out on injury. And she
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: said she's aware, but they need me to sign it
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: for the program review. Redacted, okay. Noelle, so I signed. Redacted,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: so both training, when you signed, they didn't actually even
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: provide you anything? Noelle, no. Redacted verbally, electronically, nothing? Noelle, no. Question, okay,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: and what was on the date that was signed that
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: that happened? Noelle, actually, she told me not to date it.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I remember when I was signing, she said, don't date it. Redacted,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: but you dated it anyway? Did you have a conversation
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: about that? Noelle, no. Redacted, After you dated it, she
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: didn't say. Why did you date it or anything like that? Noel, no. Redacted. Question. Okay.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Did you receive that training through in the annual training
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: courses as well? Like the suicide prevention, you know, how
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: to operate in the shoe during MCC annual or the,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I think you call it the IF training or during
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the correctional officer training at FLETC. Noel, those trainings are
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: like general overall training. It's not specifically speaking about shoe.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Like shoe may come up in the conversations, but it's
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: not specific to shoe or how to operate or run
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: the shoe. Redacted, okay. Noel, uh-huh. Redacted, do you know
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: if they were doing this with other employees as well,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: having them sign training that weren't actually conducting? Noel, I
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: don't know. Redacted, okay. But did you do this per
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: the directions of your supervisor? Noel, supervisor, yes. Redacted. So she,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: did she, specifically, you must sign this? Noelle, yes. Redacted. Okay, again.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: And that was redacted. Noelle, redacted. Question. And you said,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: and I apologize, I don't know if we interrupted when.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Where did you say she is currently? Noelle, she is
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: in Jersey. I know. I'm trying to. Redacted. At the
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: FCI Fort Dix? Noelle, yes. Redacted. Okay. Mr. Foye. question
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: real quick. Redacted, absolutely. Do you want a more precise
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: answer to when she was out and when she came back? Foy,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: because I happen to know the approximate dates. Redacted, sure,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: you can provide that. Foy, and this is based on
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: my review of Discovery and Conversations with Miss Noelle. We're
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: looking at about March 15th to June 24th-ish. Redacted, okay. Foy,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: And I note that the execution was on the 26th.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: But I think there was some time, you know. It's
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: not like the first minute. She was there. They had
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: her sign the document. Redacted, okay. Noelle, right. Foy. So
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: those are the estimated times. I could be off by
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: a day or two, but... The 15th of March. To
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: June 24th. Redacted. During your time at the MCC, how
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: often were you assigned to the special housing unit, also
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: known as the SHU? Noel? Hmm. Redacted. And this is
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: an approximate. I'm not asking you for like the exact amount. Noel,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: when I came back from injury, my assignment was the SHU.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: So from June 20, whatever, to August 10th, I worked
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: the SHU. Redacted. Okay. and that was your quarterly assignment,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: was in the SHU for the whole summer in 2019? Noelle, yes. Redacted, okay,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: thank you. So I know that you said you didn't.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: They didn't provide you with SHU training. Did they provide
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: you with the policies of the SHU? Noelle, no. Redacted,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: so you never received those policies. Would it have been
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: when you received and you said you had initial and
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: date something electronically? I think you said when you were provided...
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: He gets cut off by Noel. That's the employee code
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: of conduct. Redacted. Okay. Noel. Like the handbook that's online. Redacted.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Should have they provided you with the policies and post
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: orders in the shoe? Noel. In the shoe, there is
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: post orders. Redacted. Oh, okay. So in the shoe. There's
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: the post orders. Noelle, yes. Redacted. And you were provided
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: with a copy of that to review? Noelle, yes. Redacted.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: And had you reviewed that? Noelle, yes. Redacted. Okay. And
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: when did you review that? Noelle, when I came back. Redacted.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: So sometime in June. Noelle, in June. Question. Okay. So
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: aside from those post orders, did you receive any other
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: shoe training? Noel, no. Redacted, no. And who was responsible
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: for making sure that you actually did receive shoe training? Noel,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Redacted, you don't know? Was that a
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: lieutenant issue? Or your first line supervisor? Noel, I would
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: assume the lieutenant, my supervisor, I don't know. Redacted, and
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: when you say the lieutenant, who was the lieutenant in
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: the shoe at the time? Noel, Lieutenant Redacted. Mr. Redacted, question,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: do you know his first name? Noel, redacted. Question, okay.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: And would he be responsible for making sure that you
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: were training when you were in the shoe? Noel, I mean,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I'm going to direct that question to her. I don't know. Question,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: I don't want you to direct a question to her. Noel, okay. Redacted.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: But if you need to like, yeah, that's fine. Redacted, yeah. Noel, yeah. Redacted.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: And if you don't know, that's totally acceptable. Noel, yeah,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: because I don't know. Redacted, okay, no, no, that's a
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: totally acceptable answer. Noel, uh-huh. Redacted, so yeah, if you know,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: if you don't know something, or you know something, that's great.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: You don't really want to ask other people for the answers. Noel, right. Redacted,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously, if you need to confer, and you know,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: with your attorneys or your union rep, absolutely fine. But
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: we just want to try to get away from them
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: answering for you. Noel, okay. Redacted, all right. And then
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: from your recollection though, you don't remember receiving shoe training
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: during the annual refresher training? Noelle, no. Redacted, no. Okay.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Did you receive training on how to conduct rounds? Noelle, yes. Redacted.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: And when was that? Noelle, NIF. Redacted, NIF. Noelle, yep. Question, okay.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: And what did it teach you about conducting rounds? Noelle,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: that you need two people to count and conduct rounds.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: And one person goes and counts. The other person goes
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: and counts. And then you confirm the numbers of counting. Question, okay, Noel.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: And make sure, when you're counting, that you're counting everybody
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: standing at their bed when you're counting. Redacted, okay, and
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: did you receive suicide prevention training during the MCC annual
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: refresher training? Noel, I don't recall. Redacted, question, you don't recall. Noel, uh-huh. Question, okay,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: what was your understanding if an inmate was placed, you know,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: is suicidal, or placed on suicide watch? What was your
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: understanding of how you should treat those inmates? Noel, if
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: an inmate is placed on suicide watch, I don't deal
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: with them. They go downstairs to suicide watch, and they're
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: being watched by other inmates. Question, uh-huh, Noel, but, and then,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: when they're cleared, they come back to the unit. Question,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: and you're trained. Are you supposed to handle them differently
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: when they come back to the unit? Noel, uh-huh, no. Redacted,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: you're not. Noel, you're not. Question, you're not supposed to
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: handle them differently. Noel, no. Question, not at all. Noel,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: because they're cleared to come back. Question, okay. Noel, so
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: once you're cleared, you're back to normal. Redacted, okay, and
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: were you assigned to the SHU on August 9th and
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: 10th of 2019? Noel, yes. Redacted, do you recall what
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: time you began working on the shoe? On August 9th, Noel,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: 4 to midnight. Redacted, 4 to midnight. And then on
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: August 10th, it was Noel, midnight to 8 in the morning. Question, okay.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: You said again, that was your quarterly bidded post. Noel, yes.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Redacted quarterly assignment. And what were your overall duties and
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: responsibilities when you were assigned to the shoe? No, well,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: it varies because I'm new and because I don't know
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: how to run the shoe. I just always rely on
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: the senior person that I'm working with. So even if
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: the roster reflects that on the senior officer, because sometimes
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I'm assigned to the shoe, I don't do what shoe
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: is supposed to do because I don't know how to
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: do it. I rely on the senior officer that I'm
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: working with. Question. Okay, so you didn't really know what
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: your duties and responsibilities were. Is that what you're saying? Noelle,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: in the shoe like um, to give out food, to
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: collect the trays, to give out linen, collect linen. Whenever
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: we would go downrange to give out those, we count
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: that as a round to make sure the inmates are good.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: You shower every other day, count, that's it. Redacted so
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: rounds and counts are part of that though. Noelle, rounds
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: and counts are part of it, but I never worked
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: in the shoe and actually done rounds every 30 minutes.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: We go downrange to do stuff and we count it
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: as a round. Redacted, perfect. That's going to be something
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: that we're going to discuss. Noel, uh-huh. Redacted. And ask
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: you things like, who told you that? And how's that?
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: You know, who should have provided you with the proper
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: training and information on how it was technically supposed to
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: be done? Noel, uh-huh. Redacted. Question. And were there any requirements,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: special requirements, for inmates who were assigned to the SHU? Noel,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Question. That's fine. Do inmates in the
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: shoe have cellmates? Noelle, yes. Question. Okay. And are they
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: required to have a cellmate? Noelle, I'm not sure. Question.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: You're not sure. Noelle, uh-huh. Redacted. Question. And do you
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: know why they wouldn't have a cellmate? Noelle, I don't know. Question.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Did you ever, were you ever told it's because another
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: inmate could harm that inmate? Or there were certain classifications
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: of inmates. They never discussed that with you? Noelle, no. Question. No. Okay, no.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Did you ever see training on medical emergencies with inmates? Noelle, no.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I just know like if you were making a round
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: and something happens to an inmate, you call and you
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: wait for somebody to come before you enter the cell.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: That's all I know. Question, okay, but did you, were
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: you provided like CPR training or any kind of like,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: you know, if something were to happen in front of you,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: how would you respond? Noelle, yes, we also need bear training. Redacted, okay,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: and when would you conduct training like that CPR training or,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: you know, if someone is trying to kill themselves or
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: something like that? When did you receive the training? How
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: would you respond to a medical emergency? Noelle, that was
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: an IF. Question, IF as well? Noelle, uh-huh. Question, okay,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: so who is or was inmate Jeffrey Epstein? Noelle, who
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: was he? Question, who was he? Was he an inmate
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: assigned to the MCC? Noelle, yes. Question, was he assigned
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: to the SHU? Noelle, yes. Question, okay, do you know
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: what he was at the MCC for and why he
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  Speaker 1: was incarcerated by the BOP? Noelle, actually, I didn't even
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  Speaker 1: know who he was when I worked with him. It
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  Speaker 1: was the other co-worker that told me who he was.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know who he was. Question, and who? Noelle,
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  Speaker 1: as in I knew his name, but I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: like what he was there for and who he actually was. Question, so,
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  Speaker 1: and when you say the other co-worker told you, who
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  Speaker 1: told you? Noel, redacted. Question, redacted. Noel, uh-huh. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: what is redacted's first name? Noel, redacted. Question, and what
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  Speaker 1: did he inform you? Noel, he basically said that this
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: is Jeffrey Epstein. You don't know who he is, and
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  Speaker 1: I said no. And he was like he's in the
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  Speaker 1: news every day. And I was like, okay, I didn't know. Question,
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  Speaker 1: do you remember when you had that conversation? Like at
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  Speaker 1: least if you think about August 9th, August 10th. Noelle, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: was it obviously it was then prior to August 9th? Noelle, yes. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: but you were working in the shoe together? Noelle, yes. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: was Epstein in the shoe when you had that conversation? Noelle, never. Redacted, no.
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  Speaker 1: Was he with his attorneys? Noelle, uh-huh. Question, okay, do
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  Speaker 1: you remember anything else about that conversation when he told
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  Speaker 1: you about him? Noelle, no, that was it. Question, did
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  Speaker 1: he tell you why he was in? Noelle, no. Question, no,
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  Speaker 1: just that he was in famous and in the shoe? Noelle, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here.
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  Speaker 1: And in the next episode, dealing with the topic, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to pick up where we left off. All the
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