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L49 A Deep Dive into the "Zapruter Film" with M.K. Davis · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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  Speaker 1: is on, guys, and we're gonna go through the famous
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  Speaker 1: film that was first presented by Herald I think in
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  Speaker 1: exact date it was. And that's going to be incredible.
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  Speaker 1: the way, please welcome to the show once again. Mister M. K. Davis, Well, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Sure proud to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on, Tom, thanks for thanks for
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  Speaker 1: offering me the opportunity to come in, and also thank
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  Speaker 1: you for actually coming on. I really really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know what a Bruder fan, you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: itself is it's sort of surrounded with some mystery. Mister
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  Speaker 2: is a Bruter was a Ukrainian. You know, if if
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  Speaker 2: you're if you're going to look at who my would
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  Speaker 2: have wanted to do something, you kind of look at
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  Speaker 2: the whole picture. You know, who was who was surrounding
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  Speaker 2: the event, you know, to a point where where it
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  Speaker 2: makes you wonder, you know, if perhaps they might have
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  Speaker 2: had something to do with it. And I'm not I'm
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  Speaker 2: not saying that he did, but he if you if
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  Speaker 2: you look at it, he he was Ukrainian. He worked
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  Speaker 2: for a lady named Jean Legone before he went into
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  Speaker 2: business on his own for dressmaking. But Jean Legone was
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  Speaker 2: also from Russia in that area, and she ended up
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  Speaker 2: marrying George de Mortenchild. George de Mortenschild was a Russian
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  Speaker 2: whose father was mayor of Minsk, and that was the
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  Speaker 2: city that Lee Harvey Oswald settled in right, Uh, you
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  Speaker 2: see what I mean. Those connections you can't just say, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm going to ignore them. Uh. And and
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  Speaker 2: the list goes on and on with that, with the
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  Speaker 2: with the Russian slash Ukrainian connection.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, wasn't he wasn't he at some point, Lee Harvey
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  Speaker 1: Oswood kind of like got to jump the gun. He
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  Speaker 1: was kind of like over there, and he had like
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  Speaker 1: a Russian wife. There's a lot of weirdness surrounding that too,
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  Speaker 1: if I if I remember right, if I.
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  Speaker 2: Recall, yeah, yeah, it was a tremendous amount of weirdness
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  Speaker 2: and strangeness. And and they they they use the kind
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  Speaker 2: of off his skate, what all they've been up to?
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  Speaker 2: You know, you'll find out later on that Oswald was
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  Speaker 2: down there in Mexican's Mexico City. You know what was
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  Speaker 2: he doing down there? You can't find out, You get
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  Speaker 2: rumors in the innuendo. Somebody might say something then to
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  Speaker 2: I they said it, you know, uh, it's it's it's uh,
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  Speaker 2: it's It's very difficult to root out hard facts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Uh. But but to have that many people swirling around
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  Speaker 2: this assassination on the Russia.
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  Speaker 1: There's even if I don't know if it's a conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: or not. I've always wanted to do more conspiracy type things,
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  Speaker 1: but when it comes to YouTube, you always kind of
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  Speaker 1: kind of use like I would just say it like
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  Speaker 1: you know, velvet gloves. I guess to touch these kind
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  Speaker 1: of things. And uh, as far as I know, there's
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  Speaker 1: also like a like a Cuban connection, like maybe possible
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  Speaker 1: c I a where you know, they were kind of
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  Speaker 1: down there with Fidel Castro and kind of swung swunging
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  Speaker 1: around because of certain things Jehan f K was doing
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  Speaker 1: with the with the uh you know what the you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you guys, if anyone knows, it's like the money
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  Speaker 1: he used to be read for a minute because he
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  Speaker 1: kind of took it away from the Federal Reserve system
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  Speaker 1: and then it just took that far as I've heard
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  Speaker 1: the conspiracy behind you, I can need a confirmer deny
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  Speaker 1: and swung what they did going towards Fidel and just
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  Speaker 1: spun it around in one over to Dallas, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot surrounding us. So of course, you know
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  Speaker 1: it was like when you offered to come down and
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  Speaker 1: you know, come here and say, you know, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to break down this film with you. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like blown away, because I know you are
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  Speaker 1: meticulous in the way you go about things, and every
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  Speaker 1: time I actually go through your channels are and I
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  Speaker 1: look at the things you put forth, I'm just very
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  Speaker 1: very on pins and needles. They were waiting for you
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  Speaker 1: to show us what you got.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure you're you're, you're you're probably like me,
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  Speaker 2: interested in the actual, you know, facts of the matter.
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  Speaker 2: That's what's what I'm interested in. I George de Mortschild
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  Speaker 2: after the assassination, he was given a contract to go
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  Speaker 2: look for oil and HATI interesting, hm, well, haiti was
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  Speaker 2: It's long been a place where they people lowned their money.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's it's been it's been done over and
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  Speaker 2: over and over again. And uh, George da Moore Child
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  Speaker 2: eventually shot himself with a shotgun rather than testify in
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  Speaker 2: that second investigation that the Congress was underway later in
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  Speaker 2: the seventies.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't even know. That's very convenient.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you see, you see what I mean. So so
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  Speaker 2: in that light, let's look at the some of the
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  Speaker 2: Zabruter stuff there.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely let me go here.
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  Speaker 2: Uh and and I've I've I've done work on the
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  Speaker 2: Zabruta film, and I've done work on the Knicks film
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  Speaker 2: and the Wigman film. Okay, I'm just loading them up here.
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  Speaker 1: No, take take your time. Everyone. We're we're we're we're fine.
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  Speaker 1: We're doing just fine. I'm just getting ready for you
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  Speaker 1: to show it to me and then I'll present it.
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  Speaker 1: All right, James, how's it going, by friend? How's it going?
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  Speaker 1: Good to see you back buddy talking to people in
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  Speaker 1: the chat.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Okay, what I want to do is go, uh,
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  Speaker 2: go to a process that I had actually invented for
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  Speaker 2: clarifying the Patterson film and I used it on a bruder.
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  Speaker 2: I said, new procedure, let me let me go and
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  Speaker 2: get on a share screen. Is can I do that?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, there we go. There we are, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: go back, do it again. This is uh, some of
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  Speaker 2: the new procedure and what it what it does is
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  Speaker 2: to absolutely eliminate flicker, slow speeds, you know, uh, and
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  Speaker 2: you can see it a little.
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  Speaker 1: Better, maximize that a little bit. Right. That's well, that's
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  Speaker 1: it's very graphic, guys. You guys do know. Uh. This
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  Speaker 1: was presented to the US audience on regular television. I
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  Speaker 1: think in the late seventies by uh what was his
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  Speaker 1: name again? Uh, he's used to be a television presenter, Heraldo. Yes, Rivera,
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  Speaker 1: Heldo Rivera.
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  Speaker 2: You ever wonder it took that long?
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  Speaker 1: When was it exactly?
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  Speaker 2: If you remember, sir, seventy two. I believe it was
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  Speaker 2: seventy two.
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  Speaker 1: Well that was then, not what ten nine, ten years
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  Speaker 1: sixty two?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. Abraham's a bruder eventually sold the film
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  Speaker 2: to Henry Luce, who owned the Life magazine. Henry Loos
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  Speaker 2: was ambassador to South Vietnam for John Kennedy and Whoa,
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  Speaker 2: and they fought all the time, and he put Henry
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  Speaker 2: loose in that position, hoping he would do less harm
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  Speaker 2: because they differed so dramatically in their philosophies. Kennedy was
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  Speaker 2: sort of he wanted to go the non violent way,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the peaceful way. They know now that Henry
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  Speaker 2: Lewis's tenure there as ambassador culminated in the assassination of
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  Speaker 2: the South Vietnamese president. He kept that film out of
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  Speaker 2: the public eye, and when it finally was shown, it
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  Speaker 2: had missing missing frames from it. Uh huh uh. Somebody
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  Speaker 2: someone had actually pulled pulled out of the the motorcade.
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  Speaker 2: When they turned onto M Street, they went straight.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, before they hit the plaza, or as they were
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  Speaker 1: going into the plaza.
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  Speaker 2: Right before they hit the street, assassination street, as if
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  Speaker 2: they knew something was up, and it wasn't. It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: like LBJ or anything. MBJ. I've got some film of
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  Speaker 2: him and and he's actually waving at the crowd at
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  Speaker 2: the moment the shots began to be fired, and he was,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I can't believe that anybody would be, you know,
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  Speaker 2: not looking to see if he had arranged it. You know,
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  Speaker 2: clearly didn't arrange it, because he was now he may
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  Speaker 2: have known who did, but he he was not looking
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  Speaker 2: for that to happen. He was waving at the crowd,
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  Speaker 2: and the crowd was just standing a few feet from him.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's in the car. So those films they
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  Speaker 2: help you, they help you to assort things out. At
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  Speaker 2: that point, I didn't go down the the LBJ rabbit
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  Speaker 2: hole because I saw that. Okay, Now, when you're looking
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  Speaker 2: at this this really intense graphic film of his head,
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  Speaker 2: the damage taken by and that's that's too much damage
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  Speaker 2: for a rifle it's it's yeah. I've got I've got
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  Speaker 2: some uh, some enhanced frames taken around that same time,
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  Speaker 2: three fourteen, three fifteen, three sixteen, and it shows, uh
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  Speaker 2: you know, when whenever, whenever the head comes open like that,
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  Speaker 2: it forms kind of a steam around it. And then
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  Speaker 2: you see that there's a vector in there. The steam
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  Speaker 2: is is in a V shape, some going off to
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  Speaker 2: the left, some going off to the right. And that's
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  Speaker 2: a that's a shock wave, that is what it is.
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  Speaker 2: There's two shock waves in his head and they were
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  Speaker 2: fired almost almost together, you know, one of those freak
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  Speaker 2: things where the two shots entered his head almost simultaneously.
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  Speaker 2: Now the next that's why it blew his head so
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  Speaker 2: wide open. Uh hum. And you can see bones, bone flipping.
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  Speaker 2: Let me fact find the bone flip.
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  Speaker 3: Uh hum.
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  Speaker 2: That's the limousine, bone flipping. Okay, here we go. H
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  Speaker 2: see that bone. I think, yes, yes, yes, that it
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  Speaker 2: was so catastrophic that it blew it, you know, so
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  Speaker 2: far away from the vehicle. It ain't even funny they
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  Speaker 2: found a piece of that skull out there in that
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  Speaker 2: grass out there.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to ask you if they ever found
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  Speaker 1: that piece. Okay, there was.
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  Speaker 2: Another piece that went back on the on the trunk. Wow,
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  Speaker 2: you can see that steam around his head. Just watch it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you see it quite in Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the that's the the shockwave of the of
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  Speaker 1: the projectile actually hitting its target.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was too much. It was too much energy
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  Speaker 2: inside of his skull. There's two shockwaves they hit each
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  Speaker 2: other and then they departed in a vector. And that
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  Speaker 2: tells you right there that there's two two went in
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  Speaker 2: there at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think they just said that. I think there
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  Speaker 1: was released. They said they were going to release something
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  Speaker 1: that the administration and they basically said, yeah, there's more
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  Speaker 1: than one. That's more than Lee Harvey Oswald. And we
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: were everyone like you and I and many others around
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  Speaker 1: the world are like, uh, we uh know that because
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  Speaker 1: you maybe tell us a little more.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's full of speed, just you know, playing
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  Speaker 2: over and over and like I say, when I watched
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  Speaker 2: these things, I kind of divorced myself away from.
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  Speaker 1: The Yeah, the humanity, yes, and.
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  Speaker 2: Just try to try to analyze it, uh, to the
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  Speaker 2: point where you see small things, but sometimes small things
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: can be big things or or give you an indicator
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: of what was going on in the minds of people.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Where does it when you're when you look at this
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: final you know, for lack of a better term, kill shop,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: where were you? Who would you say that it's coming from?
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Because as far as I underst then the book suppository
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: is in this shot off to the left about one
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards. Where is this coming from?
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Well, I assume one of them come from the book
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: depository because on the Knicks film you can see bullets
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: hitting the street behind the limo when Clint Hill was
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: trying to jump up in there. That was after the
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: kill shot, but it was they were still being fired.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: That's why there was There was such a everybody was
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: in such danger and that guy got hit, you know,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: the cheek way down the street. The people that were
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: standing there close to the limo when it went by,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: saw that bullet and tried to retreat. They back pedaled.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, so one's coming from the book suppository, and where's
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the second one coming from?
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: The second one? I can show you hold on, hold
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: on here, let me find it.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: So that's news to me that it's two at the
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: same time. And you can see that from the from
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: the shockwave of because of other videos that you've seen.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a better shot, more enhanced version for that.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: I find it. Hold on, I think it's over here
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: under the knicks Vam Pam.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I think the reason that the first lady Pam asked
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: a question. I think the reason that the first lady
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: was turned and holding him is that he has already
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: been struck once before this final this final.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Shot, he got hit somewhere in the back under on
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: in the back over toward the right shoulder.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Right, So he was already struck. So she was like,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: what's going on and like holding him and looking and
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: trying to like, you know, see what's going on. And
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: then boom that that last two Now which this.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: This is from the Orville Nick Spilm. It's taken from
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: the opposite side of the street, aiming, aiming back toward
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: uh Abraham's a breweder on. You know, they were facing
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: each other. Oh wow, now wait a minute, you'll see
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: it in better, better form here as it runs you
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: see it trail, A trailed, a trail. To let me
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: see it. Oh okay, yeah, you see it's right in here.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, that white little yes, let it.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Let it run out again. When I darken it down
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: you see it better. Uh, and you see I'm back pedaling.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: All those people back peddling. They saw it, and.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: They're there backing straight up. They're not backing to the right.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: They were back you know what I'm saying.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Like the they saw all this happening right in front
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: of them, and they saw that that bullet. You can
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: hear a bullet strike, especially on concrete like that. But
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: there was a lot of a lot of just blind
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: luck that people somebody else didn't get killed. Ah. Now,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: let's go back to the second shooter. Okay, let me
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: find I've got to keep this one up here.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: It's so cool. How I get to actually see your
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: computer and you're going through your file wanted.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been it's been a while since i've you know,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: uh done this work.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: So I.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Have to kind of think about things a little bit.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Uh huh, Well, I'll be it should have been the
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: one that said nicks on it. Let me just click
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: on that and see if see if it shows the Provolah,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I was just try it. Uh huh h. I don't know.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: I must have exiled of that thing. I'm not seeing
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: it anywhere. Let me go back and just type in
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: the name of it. Let my computer do a little work.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: If you will. H Okay, I didn't do it. Let
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: me go back over here, let me just go JFK.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: You really need to see the Wagman FM alright right here, okay, Now,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: this is this right here is that facade that is
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: to Abraham's the bruders left, okay, And this facade, this
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: facade is in the shape of a hyperbolon. It's nothing,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: but it's just it's nothing but just an ornamental thing.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: But there's three of them in Deallely Plaza and they
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: all face they face each other. What it does is,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: uh is project sound a high hyperbolic surface like that.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Uh huh uh.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: And if you're in the focus of a hyperbola and
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: you fire a gun, you're gonna hear it. If you're
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: on the left side, you'll hear it. On the right side,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: project it out away from it. And if you stick
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: a gun through one of those slots, you'll hear a
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: slight double double shot, you know, like that because it's
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: you'll hear it coming straight out of the barrel. Then
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: you'll hear it going back hitting the the hyperbolic surface
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: of that of that pergola and then coming back projecting
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: just a little behind the first one, and it sounds
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: like a double shot, which they picked up on that
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: policeman's mic. But look, watch these people right here because
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: they know where that shot came from. See the man
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: run over there.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Could you make that a little larger, sir.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: He's at first he's holding his girlfriend down or his wife,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: and he runs over there and tries to pick up
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: the guy through you know, through that slot. That's the
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: slot or one of the slots he used to look through. Yeah,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: he's on the backside. And somebody saw him and said
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: that they saw him, said they saw him pitch a
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: gun to a man who put it in the car
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: and they both got in the car and drove off.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Whoa, there's so much in there's so much into this,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: like do what do you what is your what is
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on why this was done to uh, the
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the the sitting president of the United States at the time.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: You know, that's a good question that there's there's several
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: avenues they look at, you know, they look at his
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: connections to the mob and his brother, how he had
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: you know, intimidated or tried to intimidate the mob. Uh.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: But I keep seeing this Russian connection, you know. Uh.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: And he had He did a lot of what you
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: call it behind backstreet communication with Russia that no one
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: knows about him. He would stick a handwritten letter in
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: a book and have someone drop it off on a
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: street corner and Russians would pick it up.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy would do this.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. Uh, so he's trying to bring peace about
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: through the through the back door channels and at the
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: same time looked kind of tough on the front door.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: And uh, you can anger somebody when you do those
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: dancing dances. You can anger somebody, right, people with nothing.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: But he you know, there's the CIA. The connection. The
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: CIA had had a lot to do with George de
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Morschild getting his oil contract with Haiti. It was, you know,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: unable to trace that money. It was laundered. The government
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: of Haiti was crooked, corrupt mhm. And that's where they
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: that's where they would take money with He didn't want
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: anybody to be able to trace money they pay people
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: off of getting them some kind of bogus contract with
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: the Haitian government. Might still be that way, I don't know.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a question not that I don't know not what
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: what do you think about Jack Ruby?
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Jack Ruby? Would I wouldn't turn my back on him,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: I tell you that.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well would you would you mind being a little
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: more how would you say specific and what you mean?
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Well, well, he was in the mob in Chicago for
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: he okay, he went down to Dallas. Yeah, he he was.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: He would do practically anything, and they picked a squeeze
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: on him and got him to kill Oswald.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Right, So the people who don't know, like right after
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: they kind of grabbed the Oswald and implicated him as
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: being the loan shooter. Uh, they kind of he was.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: It was like, I don't know exactly where it was,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: but he was in a crowd of people and this
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: gentleman whatever I wouldn't say gentleman, this person came up
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: and just off, you know, you know, Dr Oswald, And
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: that was Jack Ruby. And that's I don't think this
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: is the first time that's happened. I mean there's you know,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: there's also Booth who did Lincoln. There's there's always like this. Uh,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: people like to say they'd like to call Oswald a Patsy.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: What do you what do you think about Oswald? What
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: was like, what was with this guy? What is with
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: this specific person and why he would either do it?
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Do you do you think he also actually made the shot,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: because as far as I understood, it's very difficult to
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: shoot from the depository with a bold action rifle on
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: the whatever it's the fourth or fifth floor, whatever it was.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Well, you saw the bullets they were flying there in
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: that little clip I had. It might not have been
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: on Oswaldt. He might have been innocent of the actual indeed, ah,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: but he he was involved in some manner. Ah. They
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: didn't get a chance to even look right. You know,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: you sometimes somebody confess if you want, if you put
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: the pressure on them. But they did never get a
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: chance to do that. And it goes back to the
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Mob slash Cie.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Do you think it was the Mob and the CIA
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: and which involved so the involvement in the CIA, you
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: were talking about a crooked oil deal with Haiti. That
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: is new to me from what like I was saying
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: just a couple of minutes ago that the CIA had
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: a kind of a contingency trying to take out you know,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Fidel Castro, and they just kind of kind of swung
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: it and they said Okay, you know, this guy is
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: trying to the end of federal reserve, and let's go
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: and just you know, go over here and take care
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: of this. There's so much to sift through on this
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: specific uh the specific topic that we're wrong.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Well, it makes you kind of makes you wonder if
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: not some of that still in existence. Uh we uh,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: it gets your your entering into your trading dangerous waters
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: there you're talking about, you know, the deep state or
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: whatever you want to name you put on it.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's kind of a large sums of money
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: and corruption. You know.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, no one.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Wants to go to prison. They know they've done deeds, like,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: you know, horrible things, but uh, you know they I'm
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: sure that they would rather put a bullet in their problem.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. As funny as I understood too. I know how
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: much you know about this, Like a lot of the
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: witnesses kind of mysteriously perished.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's all of that is, you know, and
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: continue to perish for quite a few years. Well, the
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: one of the bullets hit the curb and they found
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: where it hit it and shattered the concrete, and they
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: took a saw, concrete saw and saw that entire curve
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: out with the bullet hole in it, and put it
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: in the back of a car, just a regular car.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know whose car it was, it was a
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: white car, and carried it back and they said that
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: they had put it under some kind of a legal
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: protection thing where nobody can look at it for seventy
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: five years.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Ooh, that sounds like something they recently tried to do
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: with a specific vaccine.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: I've got to make it, make it where you can't
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: can't examine it. You know, why why would the US
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: government even agree to do that? You know, it's a
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: It's not It frustrates, is what it does. I mean.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: And I found other things, you know that they have
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: what they call the these more obscure people like the Badgeman.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you've heard of that. You can you can
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: enhance all you want, and you know, the most you
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: can get is just a very indistinct person behind the wall,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: behind that wall that Abraham's apruder was standing on. Uh.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: And they say a puff of smoke, but it's really
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: the quality is too poor.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Okay ah.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: And then the shadow man, I've got some of the
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: shadow Okay, hold on here.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Hey, squatch a holler. What's how's it going? Roger, Roger Dodger, buddy,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: he will be on soon to guys. We're gonna get
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: into some things good. It's good to have you here, Roger.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Good to see you, buddy. I go and punch up
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: his stuff for me so I could pop it up
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: for all right. This guy mad this to the stage.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: We're going to see the shadow Man. Guys, the shadow Man.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: This is while ago.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: This is uh, these are these? Are this? The Badgeman
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: was quote unquote on the on the if I'm if
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: my memory you know it's a little faulty, please correct me,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: mister Davis. But he was on the grassy knoll as well.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: There's like a policeman who did something and just kind
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: of got in the car and just drove away. Is
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: this the Badgeman?
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but they that's the badge man right here.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: See he's behind that wall. And that's too it's too indistinct.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: They said, that's that he's wearing a badge right now.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Let's see it. Now, let's see it.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Not to say that it couldn't be correct. It could
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: be mhm uh. But let me show the shadow Man.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: I find it here. We've got a Knicks presentation. I
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: gave a presentation at the Knicks family had an event
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: where Gail Jackson Knicks had written a book and they
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: invited me over there, okay, and I gave a presentation there.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: There's a lot more stuff that I had. It's bringing
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: back memories.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Let me sometimes to kind of go down to look
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: at things from the past. Very fun.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I circle the path of the of the bullet there
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: on that one.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: You can actually see the path.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was. They were trying to trying
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: to move the bullet up to fire and hit the
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: inside of this limo. But you know the limo was done,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: was picking up speed and they just kept hitting the
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: ground behind it. I tells you that it's not close.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: It's from far away. That's all it does. He tells
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: you that it's it's from far away. They couldn't judge it.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Let me get the shadow man. I'm gonna find it.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know why it's not on one of these.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: The bike rider, I got the bike rider stabilize. He can't.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Who's the bike rider? Who's the bike rider?
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: It's a policeman that road right up, I mean where
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: you can look over in the car and then he
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: just slammed on brakes. Everybody went by.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Rogers giving you some some love here. I grew up
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: watching him k breakdown and analyze video. Uh joking, but
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I watched several hundred hours and uh some more than one.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: So he got people here giving you some love, mister Davis.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Check out mister Davis's channel. What's the name of it again,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: what's the name of your channel, sir h green Wave,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Green Wave channel. Please go over and check out. Mister
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Davis is an incredible video as well as picture analyst,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: and he does and play.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Guys, it's Greenway twenty ten FB.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: There you go, Greenway twenty FP. Thank you.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go back to the scratch to find
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: the here's the badge man again. That's somebody kind of
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: helped it. You see, that's not an actual enhancement. It's
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: more of artistic rendering.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: You want to know how careless people were the Secret
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Service were careless? Good God, let me find that the
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: under limousine. I'll show you what I mean. You get
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: some of these higher quality photos that were taken and
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: you'll see what I'm talking about. Okay, they didn't shut
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: either door on either side. They're open to come open. See,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I mean would you put would you? I mean he's
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: got his hand leaning on that door. He could just
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: tumble out of the sun.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: All right, it's not completely like latched onto the bolt.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: There. Okay, hold on just a minute.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: But take the time. You got your half a nice
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: subscriber there, all right.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and on the other side as well, these That
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: tells you that they're the amount of care that he
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: was getting. As far as security goes, he was more apt.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: He was more apt to get hurt by the Secret
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Service than protected. Yeah. Now you see they got one
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: window up partly right here, I guess keep her hair
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: from blowing. But you know, you can go back to
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: the other side and see, well, that's not yet, that's
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: not yet. Hold on, we find the limousine with the
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: door limit. You have to find the right photo. That's
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: not yet there it is. This is the other side,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: and it's the same way.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's a jar.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: They didn't shut the door their door. Hold on just
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: a minute, not a problem. Hey, Chris, you're there, Yeah, yeah,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: I'm on in the middle of a podcast.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Let's make sure and give him some privacy, guys. All right,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: if you guys are enjoying us, please let me know
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: what the side there this is. This is how there
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: we go. I'm mute at your mic. I'm mute at
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: your mic. You will you watch to make sure you
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: have a little bit of privacy, and you know.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, I appreciate that.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Life goes on, buddy, life goes on.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: It's just broadcasting. Uh so you see what I mean
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: now a little.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Bit more, sir, so people can see that there.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely these doors open backwards suicide doors.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: That's interesting.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't they don't, you know. So that's open
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: and ready to spill whoever's leaning on it out.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: That's weird.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: And you got these dudes right here, man, a little
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: like a shoot you in the heartbeat. But they're the
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: ones who left the door open.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: This is a secret service.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: They've been up all night partying. Uh they partied all
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: night and the night before you know they uh well
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: you know it was it was what you call a
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: perfect storm. Yeah, whoever was trying to kill him had
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: also tried to kill him and go and it it
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: didn't work out, and they tried to kill them again.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: In Miami and that didn't work out. Dallas worked out,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: but it was accidental. You know that everything dark.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: To say, I mean, we're saying that this is you know,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: this happened with fifty years ago. Yeah, forty more than
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: fifty years ago. And to say it like that is
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: so it's such a dark So I guess we're working
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: on that seventy five to get that piece of concrete there.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Twenty years I guess we got left. It's such a
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: dark thing like we're supposed to be, you know, like this,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: you know, being an America, were supposed to be this
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: beacon of prosperity as well as like you know, truth
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: and things like that, and then we can do things
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: like off you know, our our our representative, you know, president,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: and it's just it's so uh, it's so disheartening.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's there's your big gap. So either chrome
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: don't line up or nothing.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: See yeah, wow, it's ready.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: To come open.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: If that was a new door, you know that that
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: you know, this is the sixties, guys, that that would
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: be beeping all over the place and you have to
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: stop the car and hey, mom, shut the door. Uh
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: have you ever considered I don't know if there's much
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: there to be seen. Have you ever considered looking to
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: the attempted Trump assassination?
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I would definitely be interested in doing it, but
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: I have to wait till some they release some stuff.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: You know, it was a long time before this Ubruta
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: fim was released and somebody got it and and and
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: scanned individual frames and release them in their entirety, all
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: the frames. And that's what enabled people like me to
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: be able to look at it with them.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Isn't there a weird frame? There's a lamp post and
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: it looks kind of off.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, people say that. I don't know, because funny things
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: can happen with them, especially you know the lower qualities,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: which an eight milimeters. You know that it's got a
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: small lens, and the lens what it does is produce
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: you know, home quality. You know, it's kind of you
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: try to magnify it. You magnify the flaws and then
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: it becomes you got chromatic aberration in the lens. I
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: can filter that and improve it quite a bit.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Huh.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: And and didn't take that flicker out and stabilize it,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: and you've got a pretty good decent film. You know,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: it's when all the frames are available, and they are available.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Now we have a question from Roger, he wrote. He writes,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: is it true that the Supruters film was spliced.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Horizontally horizontally spliced? Yes, as far as I know it was.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I say, that's kind of the standard way. Just apply
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: some uh you know, just uh you cut, you you can,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: you can you can repair film that has broken. Then
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: it frequently breaks, uh, or you can uh you know,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: added to or take away from edit the film, and
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: it's not unusual at all. Well, something like that took
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: place while it was in the possession of the Life magazine.
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: Uh, that sounds that sounds so much like the things
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: they I'm sorry, mis favous. It sounds so much like
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: the things they try to do with a lot of
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: things when it came to this, this laptop from the
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: Hunter and a lot of things. So back then it
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: would be a magazine or some type of you know,
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: like broadcasting channel, and now it's like, you know, uh,
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: social media.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: So it's been going on for a while, guys. This
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: is a I'm finally getting into like the like what
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: I really really like, you know, piece MEO to be
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: honest with you, is this is this dark, underwater backcurrent,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: hidden hands that parses information. Whether it be the Epstein
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: files would have been mis mentioned on the right, whether
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: it be the Vegas you know debacle, or nine to eleven.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: I would love to go with if somebody has like
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: some definitive like you know videos of nine to eleven,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: like you know Tower seven and things like that, I
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: would love to go to that too, with somebody that's
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: some crazy stuff who.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Says steam flip, let me look at it. That's where
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: I was trying to look at that, this debris. You
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: see how wide opened his head is, Yes, yeah, that's
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: that's not us. That's what I was done by two
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: bullets at simultaneously. And that you couldn't train two people
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: to fary, you know that quickly together. It just happened,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: didn't they. There's little nothing left of his head.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Like the whole front right quadrant is kind of like
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: just folded forward. And then they say something like that
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: they took him on a plane, and then like they
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: like while they were looking at him and given autopsy
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: that the actual bullet was on the gurney.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, watch this right here. Let me get out
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: of all this advertisement, get rid of this. This is
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: this is the highest possible contrast. There he is. And
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: watch that little steam.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, that is.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: That's hot. That's hot. Uh, somebody done steamed your brain.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: You have zero chance of survival. He was dead even
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: right here.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: And it's like for all the world to see. It's
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: it's it's incredible. It's kind of like for me, it's
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: kind of like, uh like look at what we Look
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: what we can do when you fall out of line,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: when you don't do what we want you to do,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: it's scary. It's scary as hell to me, mister Davis.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you. It's it's very bothersome.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: This is the first wound.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, Pam, this is your your could
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: you could you enlarge that a little bit? Thank you.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: You can see where he actually kind of like grabs
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: his chest there you can see so and that's.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: What Jagie, you didn't get much chance. You see you
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: see uh governor uh what was the governor of Texas?
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Right? I can't remember his name either at the moment, but.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: You see him react. It hits him at the same time.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: It's the same bullet hit him both.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: And that's from the left. That's from the back, from
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: the left there.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: It's came through his back, came out out of his
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: throat down low, and then entered into Governor Connolly Connolly there. Yeah,
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: and then it went through so it hit his rist.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: I think it went through him, hit his rist and
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: embedded in his heel on the opposite side or something
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: like that. You see how all the all the innocent
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: people all around.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Well, they've they really wanted him, they wanted him taken out.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: And this was this was after Eisenhower. Eisenhower had his
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: infamous leaving the office, you know, like State of the Union,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: be careful for the Military Industrial conuh uh complex, and
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: undermining are democratic processes. And then he into office and
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: I think it's I think it was Eisenhower finished. I
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: think either six fifty eight or sixty. I think sixty
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: and uh then this happens I think two years. I
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: think it was sixty two. This is right, it's sixty
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: two when this happened, right, mister Davis, sixty.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Three, No, sixty three.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: And it's a it's a pivotal moment in American history,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: and it's very bothersome. It's very bothersome. I don't know
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: what the implications of what this is. I believe we're
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: in a very specific moment in our history right now,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: and I just wounded to be very fitting that we're
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: going through this at.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: The moment they give. They give us assassins three names. Yeah,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: you notice that. Yes, Lee Harvey Oswell, John will Smooth dehumanizes.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Does it?
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it has a psychological effect. Okay, if you just
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: called him Lee, it sounds like you're friends with him
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: or something, right, you know, Uh, Lee Harvey Oswald did it?
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: You know, it's putting just a stamp of guilt on it.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: It's just a way of doing it.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Who Jackie is pointing at somebody? There isn't she is
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: that Jackie's arm coming.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Up there, She's got white glove on. That's her.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: That's her. Yeah, someone wrote this, mister Kenny is not
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: just Kenny was.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Trying to point back word what she heard. Everybody said
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: that it was sounded like fireworks going on.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Right. Oh so so they give them three names to
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: the humanize them.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: That's very next to the next big assassination they'll probably do.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Oh then the one who's the who was the who's
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: the guy? Who in nineteen I think eighty two, who
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: tried to do what is his name? What's the name
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: of the president used to be Ronald Reagan? He also
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: had three names.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, John, I don't know too much about that one,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: but I probably need to look in at it too.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very interesting What was it? Anyone can
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: remember off the name top of her head? Who's the
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: name of the the attempted assassination? Who's the name of
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: that guy? Can? Oh, it's escaping John Hinkley. That was
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: John Hinckley. You're right, it was, and he did it
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: for the love of for a woman. Jody Faster.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, he's lose right now. They let
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: him know. Yeah, yeah, he's crazy.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Well, someone's writing, yes, I if you don't know, if
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: you can see that, mister Davis. I don't even want
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: to say it out loud, but I think they already tried,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: and them they already tried once and we'll see I hope,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, God willing, you know, you know,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone should have to go through I
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: don't you know whatever it is, you know, to do
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: this because you disagree with somebody. It makes me very
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: angry and upset. Who's okay, Yeah, it's just it's such an.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: You know, Kennedy. Kennedy was a hero himself. I mean,
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: he had saved all kind of lives on that pt
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: one on nine, and you know he swam all night
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: carrying somebody carrying a wounded friend.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Now, he had an awful back far as I remember,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: he had a very bad back.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he also had They injected him every day with testosterone. Uh.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: They they didn't fully understand what that would do tru
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: the human body. But it's partly responsible for his inability,
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: you know, to this women.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: You know he went beyond normal.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: He was out there, that's right. Yeah, he was, you know,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: doing whatever he was doing to put it mildly, that's interesting.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: I never even thought of that. I didn't even know
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: that they were rejecting with histostero and no wonder he was, okay,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: let's go ahead and do that route he's a womanizer.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: I didn't know. I just thought he was just you know,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: that was just you know.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: He had a back problem. You know that it was
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: so bad that it was he was almost ready for
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: a wheelchair, and they gave him every day, daily doses
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: of testosterone. I guess they thought it would you know,
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: man him up or whatever. But you know, you can't,
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: you can't just overdo that, you know.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Is there any connection? Yeah, I'm sure is there any
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: connection between him and his his brother also being taken
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: out in the hotel in Los Angeles?
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Uh, you're talking about Robert with Sir Hans her hand. Uh,
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: I don't really know if there is a connection, Sir Hans.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Sir Hans says he didn't do it. They won't let
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: him out. He says he didn't do it. That if
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: someone else had done it. No, he said he did it,
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: but someone had had uh what you call it brainwashed him.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: He don't have. He don't have a memory of it.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Well, that's you're in the right channel for that. I mean,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: you know, if you were to go into m k
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Ultra and all the things that they can do, I
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: don't see that for me is not out of the
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: purview of being a possibility, honestly.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And uh, I wonder about those kinds of things because, uh,
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: you know, they there are certain things they know that
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: that they did with people. Oh yeah, it make a
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: per on their own do some kind of devious, terrible thing,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: you know that that would have never done it otherwise.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: You know, Uh, it's that's that's you're looking at the underworld,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: Underworld of mind control and c I A, oh yeah.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: I've had plenty of people on who you know, they've
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: talked about that in great length and what they actually
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: do and how they how they're chosen, and uh, the
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: the the you know, like having to go back and
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: kind of like how would you say that, Like they
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: go and they get hypnotized and going back and having
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: regression therapy because something sparks their memory, and uh, the
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: government has done a you know, people go, oh, you
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: think they've done all that and I go, yeah, dude,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: you know it's it's it's it's wild wild.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: I wanted to find the one that shows that vector
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: real good. I'm still looking for it.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: It's no, it's not a worry.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: I I like some things are are labeled with JFK,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: some some worth Kennedy. Uh you know, I just you know,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: these were not a long time ago, and I I
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: forget you know, what I put them under.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do that all the time. I go back
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: just looking at my thumbnails for the show, and I'm
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: like where did I put that at? Just the thumbnails
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: a lot? So like what is the twenty twenty four
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: live podcasts? Where did I put all that at? It's uh,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: it could be quite confusing and difficult sometimes, especially so
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: this is like so you just sit down and you're
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: just like, I'm going to look into this. This has
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: like always been the thing that you've just been interested in.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: Let me go back one more than h h okay,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: there's different Wagman's.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you want to, we can go into that
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: level too, if you will, if you're if you're willing.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: I've got to. I had the Wiseman's and I had
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: broken down a hole in the windshield and Dealey they
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: had a hole, a crack or a hole in the windshield.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: Something hit it, something hit it, But how how could
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: it not? With all that flying around? Something other things
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: bound to be hit. Here's a JFK curvestone.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Look you have a picture of us right there.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: That's the one they saw. They saw the whole thing out.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Of But why would they do that? It's just okay,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: we see it. I guess. I guess maybe from that
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: you can kind of uh see maybe possibly through some
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: type of forensics that you can see the caliber of
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: bullet that was actually fired, and they didn't want that
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: to be known.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: Well, when you saw, you saw what was going on
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: behind the omisod, the limousine behind behind Clinton Hill and
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: on the ground, you know that those bullets were striking, right,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: this is probably in that same mirage.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: How many bullets do you think we're actually fired during
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: this whole episode.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it was it was quite a few.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: That's why that's why I say the original when they
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: went up there, they found different, different evidence than they
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: finally admitted they found. They say they found a different rifle.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: They said that that that uh, that Italian rifle didn't
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: show up till later. What Yeah, they found a completely
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: different rifle when they first went up there to that window.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: And this was this is in the warrant commission.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Well, well it's in it's in other reports that I've read.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: And so that h.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Just muddy in the waters more.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. And so you got any They
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: don't have anything on h Oswald or Lee. I'm just
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: calling him Lee, Yeah, just just assuming his innocence, which
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: is what we're supposed to do. Uh it Uh, yeah,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: they don't have it. They don't know who was was
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: using the rifle. They couldn't find any fingerprints or anything
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: on it.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: M So.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Then lo and behold they take the rifle and take
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: it to Oswald and put a fingerprint on it. Yeah,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: while he was in their custody.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Are you serious?
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: No, I'm dead serious. He says, I'm a patsy. I'm
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: want to get off.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: This.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Huh he said that.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well he didn't say I want to get off,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: but he said I'm a patsy, which means you're innocent,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: you're being used. Uh.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: But he's also saying he's admitting too that he's involved.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: That he was uh, well that we don't know because
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: he didn't get to didn't get to a He wasn't
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: on earth long enough to talk to him much.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever happened to Jack Ruby, I don't I can't remember.
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  Speaker 2: In jail a few years, I think, and then uh
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  Speaker 2: died of cancer in jail.
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  Speaker 4: Suh.
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  Speaker 1: This is there's there's Uh. Do you do you have
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: any hopes that uh, this current administration will actually release
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  Speaker 1: any more information? Uh?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: I do? I do. I don't know. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if they if they even put the real damning evidence
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: on a on a document. You know, Uh, this is
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: some real you know, undercut under the table stuff. H
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: but but it's possible, uh that people have uncovered some
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: really damning evidence. But what they do is just flood
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: it with a whole bunch of peripheral stuff. Yeah, they
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: just they just make it so difficult that they may
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: you just give up.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's part of it. Yeah, yeah, it's part and
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: parcel for what they do. It's it's it's incredible, and
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: it's also kind of like a me it's kind of
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: like a message to you know, John Q, you know, taxpayer, like, oh,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: you step out of line and this will happen to you.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, they even happened to the well, who's the
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: who's the guy who h I can't think of his name.
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  Speaker 1: He was in his car and he just, you know,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: hit a brick wall like one hundred miles an hour
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: Michael something.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, they could you see after they could piece of curvestone.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: Uh what what about the fellow they got hit by
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: the bullet down there at the other end. You know,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: he was way down there, just sitting by this overpass
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: right right. Where is that me sitting there? You ask
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: me sitting there, went there, Yeah, I went bother me
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: and my wife went by there and we went on vacation.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: I looked at all over, I went all up upon
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: there and upon the grass, you know, so.
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  Speaker 1: Just uh, you know, not to you know, poke fun
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  Speaker 1: or anything. It's just such an interesting thing that now
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: this place is kind of like a tourist type attraction
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: for one of the most mind numbing dark parts of
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: American history that were actually filmed. For me, it's such
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: a mind f if you don't mind, I don't know
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: how to even like process that correctly. You know, just
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: the darkness that that is is, Uh, it's quite incredible.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, uh, they've done a pretty good job of
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: not altering things with a exception of this curb piece
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: of curb. Uh, everything is pretty much like it was then.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: And even the fence, you know, it wasn't it wasn't complete.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: You know, it had some replaced and replaced some of
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: the wood, but some of the wood was still original.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Wow. And you ever determined that by going up to
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: it and seeing like you know, like you know, the
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: splits and the boards or.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you could see where they had you know,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: replaced some of them in the area where they're supposed
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: to have been a gunman. People just broke them, you know,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: they took a piece home with them.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: But strange species.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: The rest of it of it looked looked like it
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: could have been vintage, you know. Ah, And it had
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: an X on the pavement where he received the first shot.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Wow. So when you so how far away? Because you know,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: I've seen Jesse Ventra, you know, he had his show
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: on how far away from the book depository was he
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: when the when the final shot rang out that actually
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: took his life.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I would have hated when he when the when
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: the President first turned onto that street, he went kind
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: of behind some trees which are growing right under that window,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: and he had to wait till he cleared those. And
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: when he when he cleared them, it was a pretty
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: good shot. I mean, it wasn't no easy shot.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: Did so didn't Oswald? Didn't he have some training in
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: Russia or something like that too?
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was. He was a pretty good shot. But
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: he wasn't you know, all the Marines went through you
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: know that rifle training.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: Of course we do. Yeah, I wasn't a marine man army,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: Think that he was a Strawdinary snipers are you know,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: talented people that kind of born with it, you know,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: And yes, it's they got that ability.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: It's difficult to do. I mean, just breath control and
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: you know, trigger control and all that. It's it's you know,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: especially the ones that can go you know, long distance,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: they gotta they gotta like calculate like the curvature of
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: the earth and the spinning of the earth and air
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: pressure and barometric pressure and all the things that are involved.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: But as far as I understand, this was about, you know,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: I think about what one hundred yards, maybe a little less.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: Let me see if I can find a picture. I've
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: got my vacation pictures. Let me go to those.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine. There we go. Give a little bit
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: of a bit of context to everyone, because there's you know,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: this has happened so long ago. This is before I
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: was born. Uh, it's it's a lot to take in.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: It's a lot to take in, especially the part where
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: they put his fingerprints on the gun like intentionally while
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: he was in custody. That's that's that's insane to me.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that. And the two shot thing at
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: the same time, that is something that is new to
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: me as well.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna find that probably dont here. Yes,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: there it is right there. I gotta make my way
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: to it.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here we go.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: I'm all every down the streep start. I colorized some
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: photos I got. I got this photo at that six
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: or four museum.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: I just took a picture of their photo right there.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: This is not colorized right here, but I colorize it
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: just uh, trying to pick up some kind of a hint.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: Like this guy right here, he don't like anything's even
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: going on. They were sneaking him out because they were
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: couldn't get him out the front door, so they're trying
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: to backdoor, you know.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: He knew they were coming out there, Old Jack Ruby.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Let me go back over here. Let's see. Mhm, there
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: it is. They got the window?
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: Is that the I think the second window up? M okay, wow,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: mhm that's the X of the first shot. H wow.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: M Now you see those trees are still growing. Let
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: me well, it'll give me my control. There we go there,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: they're much more expansive. Now there was a lot smaller
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: tree then at X would be went back over here,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: so you kind of just look way up on well
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: off the off the computer screen.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: Mum hmmm, mhm, that's just from the grassy knoll. It is,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: honestly looking at it. Being a former military man myself,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: it is the perfect position. It is the perfect position
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: to go out and org. He was in one of
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: those arched windows there.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose that's the one I took it to
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: be because he was up. Uh, they won't let you
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: in that to go to the window. You can go
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: to the one adjacent to it.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: That is a famous joke from from one of my
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: favorite comics ever, Bill Hicks. You know, you can't actually
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: go to the window because they don't want what he said.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: They don't want. You know, thousands of Americans every year
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: going up to the window, looking out the window and
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: going there's no f and Wayne man unless odd Well
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: was hanging by his toes their ship. They're lying to us.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: Well, look at the distance all the way off the
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: field of you way over here with it with him
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: driving it about nine miles an hour.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, so that's not one hundred yards, that's fifty yards tops.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm not that good at estimations. But
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: I couldn't make the shot.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: Oh I wouldn't say I could. I wouldn't even want.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know this, you know, setting aside my
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: moral apprehension to doing so, even if it was like,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: you know, a deer that was, you know, riding in
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: a car. Sorry, my comic brain just came. Yeah, it's it's.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: See that that hyperbolic structure right there. Yeah, yeah, that's
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: across the street and another place. There's three of them.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: This has built a little differently, but uh, that's that's
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: the one I'm standing where Abraham's a brewder was standing.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, he was on top of that concrete.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And Wigman film the people, the man and the
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: woman were somewhere around here, and they that you see
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: how they got up and ran ran and looked back
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: through that slot.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: All because they heard it from behind there.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: Or what right right? They probably saw it. And the
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: bruder said he could hear it off to his left.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: I believe he said that.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: What happened to Wigman?
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Let me I got a picture of
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: that facade from behind. Let me see if I can
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: find that ms almost behind it, the same one here.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: That's the that's the fence on the grassy.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: No, that's the parking lot behind it too. Yeah, where
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: they seen someone actually get into a car and leave. Wow, dude,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: oh man.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: Yea, these are these have been replaced.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's bored and bat and stuff. That
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: stuff is not very doesn't last a long time. All
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: you can see the original there on the bottom.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's also a position for such. This is this
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: is your vacation. This is what you enjoyed doing.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, we left there and went out to
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: Chaco Canyon to look at some Indian ruins, right, but
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: I wanted to stop and get that perspective myself, you know. Right,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: that's supposed to be another mark on another spot that
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: was hit or either maybe maybe they just remarked the
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: curve after it was replaced.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: Somebody m hm.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: Hm.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, there's people standing in there, see them.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: Yep. So it's up above, it's up above. Yeah, that's
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: it's a good position to be in, man, if you're
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: gonna do something like that, that is all there you go,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: that's the perfect picture. That's a great picture, mister Davis.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: There it is that.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: They gave you a little better perspective.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, it's heavy, but it's a Friday. This is wow.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: Imagine driving in a vehicle there just being like this
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: is where it happened. It's I can't even there. There
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: you are in the roads.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't think I should have done that.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: No looking back.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, people go out there and stand on it and
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: then take get your picture taken right quick. We traffic
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: coming everywhere.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I think that. Oh my lord. Okay, So
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: mister David, I I appreciate them you coming on tonight,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: my friend, I really really appreciate it. And uh, if
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: you ever you know, have any you know, other things
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: you ever want to, like, you know, bring forth and
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: talk about. I always really enjoy our our our talks
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: and our uh you know, the presenting of the information
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: that you find. Like if you guys ever want to
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: go back and look at the Patterson Gimlin field, the
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: braided hair is to me, the smoking gun to good
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: and tie those two together. Sorry once again, my comedic
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: brain to do that. I really appreciate you coming on,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: and my friend, I think I really appreciate your films.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: I really appreciate your dedication to doing what you do
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: and thank you so so much for coming on.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. This is the back of the pergola.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: This would be where the man thrown the rifle, you know,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: and he drove off. Uh of course that Daily plaz
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: and all was on the other side, right.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: This is the parking lot. Yeah, that's what he was
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: trying to show me.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: There were people. There were people on this on these
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: railroad tracks too. I understand that they never have accounted for.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: They weren't spoken over. Mysterious people.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: Uh huh oh. This is from the top of the overpass.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: The old h I should be down on here. I'm
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: back at Chuck now.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, once again, thank you so very much. One more time.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: Can you tell me to tell everyone the name of
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: your channel so they can go and check out more
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: of your one of your your intake and depth, like
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: you know once again, the the the fence climber, I
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: think it's called it was what for me? It's my
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: second favorite, honest, Like, okay, you know these these these
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: scrypts known as big Foot or Sasquatch, for real, I
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: did that. That video is my course. The Patterson given
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: is my favorite. Uh. But that you breakdown on that
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: and what happened the grunts in the barn that you
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: showed me last time, all those things. Oh yeah, what's
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: the limb of your channel? One more time?
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: Greenway t FB football channel. Greenway was west Point Greenway
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: and when my son moved from from west Point, he
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: was in a newspaper business there.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: Uh huh.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: I said, wow, I don't know what else to do
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: with it. I've just moved my big foot stuff over here.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, you got the it's quite a it's not
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: a super huge channel, but it's a good channel. I've
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: actually looked at it myself, and you guys go over
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: and check it out. I mean, if you enjoy how
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: mister Davis goes through and breaks down everything as well
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: as I do. And you know everyone in the chat today,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: go ahead check it out.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: Here's that hold let me well, it may be too late.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: I was gonna put up that Wagman film again. Will
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: doing it at another time?
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: Oh we could do that another time, We could do
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: we could do whatever, you you know, whenever you're able to.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: I'm glad sure to have everything rediscovered by then. You
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: know that I've got probably ten different folders that I
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: put them under different names.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, personally, I'm glad you're feeling better. I'm glad
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: you're able to take some time on a Friday night.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, your your family, man, yourself, and I
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: really appreciate you coming on tonight.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: I sure appreciate it.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it, I appreciate it. So once again, guys, this
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: is the eye of Jupiter. We are the eye. We
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: are aware. Thank you all. Then everything