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Netanyahu rejects Trump's 'historic' Gaza plan · DEEP INSIGHT

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  Speaker 1: President Trump's peace plan for Gaza, hitting a snag Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Israel rejects the fifteen point plan. I heard that there
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  Speaker 2: were those who said, you didn't say it, but we
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  Speaker 2: did say it, and here I am saying it again.
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  Speaker 1: So Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Natannae, who demanding the full
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  Speaker 1: disarmament of Hamas before his troops withdraw from the Strip.
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  Speaker 1: It's a risky move in an already fractured relationship, breaking
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  Speaker 1: with Trump in a time where support for Israel is
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  Speaker 1: already dwindling in the US. I want to bring in
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  Speaker 1: CNN's Jeremy Diamond in Jerusalem, and Jeremy, let's just start Natanna,
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  Speaker 1: who is facing reelection this October. Why do you think
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  Speaker 1: he spoke so forcefully on this now?
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  Speaker 2: Well, if you just look at what happened in basically
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  Speaker 2: the ten days between when President Trump announced this as
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  Speaker 2: a historic, kind of monumental step towards establishing peace and
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  Speaker 2: security for the region and when the Israeli Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: said he rejected this plan out right. What you saw
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  Speaker 2: in between was pret t widespread rejection of this disarmament
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  Speaker 2: plan by various corners of the Israeli political spectrum. But
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  Speaker 2: in particular the right wing members of Netanyahuo's own government,
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  Speaker 2: including the National Security Ministry Tamar Benvir his Finance minister Battalosmotrich,
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  Speaker 2: who both said very clearly that they wanted to bring
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  Speaker 2: this up for a vote, that they wanted this plan
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  Speaker 2: to be rejected out of hand. And then you have
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  Speaker 2: the Israeli Prime Minister at a meeting of his government
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  Speaker 2: yesterday saying those very same words, saying Israel rejects the
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  Speaker 2: fifteen point document, that is this road map that was
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  Speaker 2: agreed to between the Board of Peace and Hamas that
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  Speaker 2: would lay out a pathway for Hamas to ultimately be
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  Speaker 2: disarmed as long as Israel also takes certain steps, including
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  Speaker 2: stopping its strikes in the Gaza Strip, moving its troops
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  Speaker 2: back to the Yellow line as agreed to back in October,
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  Speaker 2: and then eventually having a phase withdrawal of Israeli troops.
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  Speaker 2: Now Hamas has responded to this Basena I am a
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  Speaker 2: member of Hamas's political bureau, saying that we expect the
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  Speaker 2: mediators and the American guaranteur to pressure Netanyahu and his
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  Speaker 2: government to adhere to the roadmap and not obstruct the
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  Speaker 2: process for internal political and electoral reasons, but it is
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  Speaker 2: important to note that it is not completely black and white,
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  Speaker 2: and that's because we've learned of already and we've seen
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  Speaker 2: some changes already in Gaza in terms of Israeli strikes
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  Speaker 2: that have significantly decreased in Israeli source had told us
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  Speaker 2: that now targeted killings need to be approved at the
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  Speaker 2: highest levels of Israel's military in order to move forward,
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  Speaker 2: and a Board of Peace official is echoing some of that,
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  Speaker 2: saying that while politics are certainly accentuating things right now
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  Speaker 2: in Israel, that we are quote seeing cooperation behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 2: That from a Board of Peace officials, suggesting that while
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  Speaker 2: Israel is publicly rejecting this, they're at least cooperating with
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  Speaker 2: certain aspects behind the scenes. Audi.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's Jeremy Diamond from Jerusalem. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 3: Joining us now is David Sanger, CNN politics and national
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  Speaker 3: security analysts and author of New Cold Wars, China's Rise,
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  Speaker 3: Russia's Invasion, and america Struggle to Defend the Way. David,
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  Speaker 3: It's so good to see you. Thank you for joining us. First,
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  Speaker 3: want to ask you about with you Israel has yeah
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  Speaker 3: on Israel topic, Dujoor has rejected America's latest peace proposal.
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  Speaker 3: Gaza under a ceasfire remains very dangerous, a very violent place.
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  Speaker 3: So what is the next step to deliver a peace deal?
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  Speaker 3: And what a rift between Trump and then Yahoo.
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  Speaker 4: Get in the way.
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  Speaker 5: You know, this is a pretty remarkable rift because they
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  Speaker 5: go out of their way to make the case that
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  Speaker 5: they are fully in sync, and yet on Gaza they
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  Speaker 5: really have not been since the day when the President
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  Speaker 5: went out to sign the initial accord that got the
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  Speaker 5: hostages back and ended that conflict, or at least ended
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  Speaker 5: that stage of it. And the President declared that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: a new.
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  Speaker 6: Age had arrived and so forth, and he had to
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  Speaker 6: drag Benjamin Netanyahu, the Prime Minister of Israel to that. Now,
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  Speaker 6: mister Nanya, who was engaged in a pretty tough re
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  Speaker 6: election campaign. He's trying to sew up the right wingers
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  Speaker 6: who have supported his government, and he basically just said, no,
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  Speaker 6: this does not annount to what he called a real disarmament.
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  Speaker 7: For more on this, I want to bring in Mairov Zunshein.
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  Speaker 7: She is a senior Israel analyst with the International Crisis Group.
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  Speaker 7: Good morning, First of all, to you, thank you so
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  Speaker 7: much for being on. I'm so interested in understanding Prime
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  Speaker 7: Minister Natanya, who's calculus here in saying that Israel would
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  Speaker 7: not agree, would not abide, would reject that fifteen point
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  Speaker 7: road map that has been laid out by President Trump.
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  Speaker 7: He was obviously under a great deal of domestic pressure,
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  Speaker 7: but it's a hugely unusual move to break, of course
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  Speaker 7: with his most important ally. How did he come to
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  Speaker 7: this decision.
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  Speaker 4: It's good to be with Isama. I mean, we should
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  Speaker 4: look at what has happened since Trump Forces ceased fire
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  Speaker 4: on Natanyahu and Gaza in October twenty twenty five. Natanyahu
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  Speaker 4: hasn't actually, he hasn't embraced the Trump twenty point plan.
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  Speaker 4: He hasn't implemented the obligations that Israel is under in
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  Speaker 4: the first phase. I mean Hamasbury's gave back the hostages,
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  Speaker 4: and Israel was supposed to start allowing aid to go in.
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  Speaker 4: Now Israel constantly boasts that aid, the aid that's going
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  Speaker 4: in is enough, but Gaza is still closed and the
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  Speaker 4: humanitarian situation there is horrible, and so Israel hasn't even implemented.
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  Speaker 4: So that's the reality on the ground of what's happening now.
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  Speaker 4: When Nataya who says, as you say, can suit his
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  Speaker 4: political domestic needs at the time. So certainly, as long
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  Speaker 4: as he's Prime Minister, I don't think we're going to
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  Speaker 4: see any kind of withdrawal of troops in Gaza. Israel
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  Speaker 4: currently controls over fifty percent of Gaza, and then it
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  Speaker 4: has extended that control to something like seventy percent. And
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  Speaker 4: so Natanya was trying to say, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 4: be forced to do any of this, and I think
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  Speaker 4: the US knows, and I've spoken to officials on the
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  Speaker 4: ground here who say, we don't expect Natanya who to
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  Speaker 4: do anything as long until he's until the election. So
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  Speaker 4: what they're saying, what Natanyahu is saying, what Trump is saying,
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  Speaker 4: is quite different than what's happening on the ground. On
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  Speaker 4: the ground, for example, we do see that there has
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  Speaker 4: been a scaling back of strikes in Gaza. That doesn't
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  Speaker 4: mean that it's come to a complete halt, but Israel
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  Speaker 4: has been doing many targeted assassinations and those have been
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  Speaker 4: scaled back in the last few days. So even though
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  Speaker 4: the Natiyahu will say that he's not adopting the plan,
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  Speaker 4: I think in reality there are there is a certain
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  Speaker 4: amount of US pressure to scale back strikes.
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  Speaker 7: So you say that you don't believe or you don't
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  Speaker 7: see Naaniell who actually pulling back from Gaza while he
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  Speaker 7: remains in office. But if he's not going to go
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  Speaker 7: with the Board of Peace plan, what is the alternative
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  Speaker 7: end game for Gaza? Does as you just mentioned that
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  Speaker 7: occupation continue of Israeli troops just furthermore or is there
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  Speaker 7: a plan here?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think for Natanyahu, it's clear that he
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  Speaker 4: promised a total victory over Hamas. He promised that Hamas
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  Speaker 4: would no longer exist in Gaza, and his right wing
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  Speaker 4: flank in the government has promised that Gazans would be
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  Speaker 4: what they call voluntary immigration but in reality forcible expulsion,
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  Speaker 4: that they would build settlements in Gaza. And so this
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  Speaker 4: is the line. This is between the status quo that
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  Speaker 4: we have now and much further aggressive tactics to get
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  Speaker 4: them to leave. I don't see Israel relinquishing his power
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  Speaker 4: unless forced to, certainly in this government, possibly also in
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  Speaker 4: a different government after the election. So this is the situation,
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  Speaker 4: and it's similar to what's happening in Lebanon. The US
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  Speaker 4: force israelative ceasefire. There are troops in South Lebanon. They've
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  Speaker 4: kind of frozen the situation. They're trying to keep it
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  Speaker 4: as under control as possible, but they're not actually forcing
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  Speaker 4: Israel to do that much the same here, Israel is
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  Speaker 4: basically being forced to kind of just be quieter about
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  Speaker 4: it but not actually take any real meaningful steps. And
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  Speaker 4: if you notice what happened with the Board of Peace
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  Speaker 4: in recent days, there was this announcement of a Hamas
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  Speaker 4: disarmament plan. There was an expectation that certain Israeli troops
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  Speaker 4: withdrawal would start to happen in parallel to certain actions
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  Speaker 4: by Hamas. But then all of a sudden, Ladenov met
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  Speaker 4: with Theyahu, Trump met with Naho, and now we don't
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  Speaker 4: hear anything about a withdrawal being required before Hamas fully disarms.
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  Speaker 4: And I think anybody who understands anything about decommissioning weapons
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  Speaker 4: understand that this is a long process and it's not
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  Speaker 4: going to be that Tamas is going to disarm tomorrow
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  Speaker 4: and all of a sudden everything will be fine.
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  Speaker 8: Israel has rejected President Trump's plan when it comes to Gaza.
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  Speaker 8: You know, Israel is saying, look, the Hamas has to
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  Speaker 8: completely disarm before they pull out Jimas is saying you
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  Speaker 8: have to pull out before we disarm, and he is
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  Speaker 8: stuck with these two factions still going at it. What
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  Speaker 8: in this scenario do you think is the best way
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  Speaker 8: to end this and what is your concern about how
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  Speaker 8: the President has been dealing with what has been going
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  Speaker 8: on in Gaza between Israel and Gaza.
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  Speaker 9: Well, you correct, You're correct, Sra, and he's doing it
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  Speaker 9: with an October election in the offing, so that I
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  Speaker 9: think this is going to be a real difficult situation.
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  Speaker 9: I think the fifteen point plan President offered was really
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  Speaker 9: dead on arrival. From the start. There wasn't buy in
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  Speaker 9: from Israel. There wasn't buy in from Hamas. And ultimately,
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  Speaker 9: what these things have to do to be resolved is
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  Speaker 9: what he didn't do in the beginning. We've got to
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  Speaker 9: bring in partners in the region. We've got to bring
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  Speaker 9: in people internationally to come and enforce anything that's going
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  Speaker 9: to be agreed upon. But right now, there's no expectation
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  Speaker 9: that Hamas will really give up all their weapons. There's
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  Speaker 9: no expectation that Israel will unilaterally see that territory they've had,
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  Speaker 9: particularly with the elections coming