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How MAGA Became A Cover Story For Agenda 2030 · Man in America Podcast

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Speaker 1: Millions of Americans, myself included, believe that Trump was coming in to drain the swamp and stop this surveillance state from creeping into every part of our lives. That hope is why a lot of us showed up to vote. But now the same tech billionaires who were dead set against Trump a few years ago, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Larry Ellison, Sam Altman are standing right behind him. And under his watch, data centers, surveillance cameras, digital ID, and programmable money have expanded faster than any point in American history. My guest's warning today is blunt, that the MAGA movement became the vehicle to get Trump elected and then became the cover story for building the very system that it promised to destroy.
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Aaron Day is a tech entrepreneur, author, and independent candidate for the US Senate in New Hampshire who spent years tracing how corporations, AI, and centralized institutions are replacing individual choice with technocracy. This technocratic infrastructure isn't some abstract future threat. It's already reaching into your bank account, your savings, and your retirement fund. And so today, Aaron breaks down exactly how it works, who's really building it, and most importantly, what you can do right now to protect yourself before it's too late. Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad.
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I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. Before we get started, please make sure you hit that like button and the share button and subscribe button. That really, really helps us to get this information out to more people, and I really appreciate that. Alright. Now let's go and get into my conversation with Aaron Day.
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Mister Aaron Day, it's good to have you back on the show. I really enjoyed our conversation last time, and I'm looking forward to going even deeper. So thanks for being here with us.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I enjoyed it as well. I'm very excited to have our conversation this afternoon.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Me too. So I'd like to focus initially on technocracy. And it's I know it's it's a big, big topic.
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You could write books on it. And but I wanna try to simplify it, but also just run some ideas past you. But I guess from your perspective, if someone said to you, Aaron Day, what is technocracy? How would you respond to that?
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I would first start by saying it's the end of free will, and then I would I would go on to explain that, you know, what technocracy is is it's a it's a an ideology political ideology, that instead of having rights, property rights, or individual rights, all decisions are made in society from the top down by scientists, engineers, and experts. And in fact, now the evolution of technocracy is that will then now be done by AI. So in essence, what that means in real simple terms is you're no longer making decisions about your life. This is about having digital programmable money, social credit systems, AI surveillance, and what choices you can make in your life are predetermined from the top down, from where you can live, where you can work, where you can go to school, who you can interact with. This is essentially the end state of technocracy, and we're actually living through this.
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It's an ideology that started in the nineteen thirties. And one of the cornerstones of technocracy is to replace the price based system that we're used to based on supply and demand with a system based on energy credits, where those energy credits are centrally controlled. So you're longer using dollars or whatever the currency happens to be. It's literally this energy credit system, which is manufactured scarcity and controlled from the top down. So that's a pretty, visionary idea for the nineteen thirties and something that we're actually only now able to implement from the dystopian standpoint of the technocrats.
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Speaker 1: And so I wanna ask you, what role do you think Silicon Valley plays in this? And I'll give you just a a theory or an idea that I've come to, and I wanna see what you think about this, and then you can go from there. I actually think the more I've thought about it, I think that a lot of what the emergence of techno technology in Silicon Valley was, I think in many ways, it's just a front for the military industrial complex. Whether you look at, you know, ARPA, ARPANET coming in, you know, before the Internet, you look at LifeLog, Facebook, you look at you know, even Siri was a was a DARPA AI project. You know?
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And and and the list goes on and on, but the more I kinda think about it, the more I'm convinced that the military industrial complex, you know, they they knew they couldn't surveil and track and monitor The US citizens and the people in this country to the degree they needed to to have a a technocratic system because of the constitution. So they helped create, helped fund all these, you know, kind of public facing companies that were built by these, you know, geniuses in their garages. But I think the whole thing is at its outset that it was that was part of developing the technology they could use to bring about this plan. Like, you look at what Brzezinski said in his book. You look at, again, like, the the plan that was talked about in the thirties even.
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It seems like it was all kind of laying the groundwork, and then this Silicon Valley and all this technology and the phones in our pockets and now flat cameras and data centers, that to me seems like the end stage of this. Like, this is, like, their their dream to have this kind of technology in the pocket of of every person walking around this country. What are your thoughts on that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, don't know if it was necessarily driven by the military industrial complex because it I mean, because interestingly enough, if you look at that complex, a lot of the the larger, you know, military contractors are are have are kind of left out of this. Right? You have a lot of these new companies that that are taking over. But it may very well have started out that way.
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But the interesting thing about technocracy is that it's it's international. It's a global system, and it it involves the complete erosion of national sovereignty. And, you know, you mentioned Brzezinski. If you wanna see how that's actually been carried out, the trilateral commission was formed, I believe, in 1971 or '72, and then they got together, Brzezinski and David Rockefeller, and heavily influenced the new international economic order, which was the UN's plan the following year, '73. And that's essentially the blueprint for Agenda 2030 and what we have right now.
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And at the cornerstone of that was the idea of eliminating, national sovereignty, having, you know, global commerce, which I don't think is in and of itself bad, but but the way that they actually use these multinational organizations to push it involved simultaneously the erosion of national boundaries, but funding corporations at the expense of the taxpayer, which is essentially what's going on right now with the technocratic firm. So when I look at the future of technocracy, people sit around and say, well, it's The United States versus China. It's not. It's Oracle versus Palantir versus, you know, x versus, you know, you know, pick the global technocratic firm. Silicon Valley certainly has a big role in it, and and certainly the military industrial complex complex and CIA has been involved.
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I'll give you an example. Palantir, one of the first investors in Palantir was In Q Tel, which is a venture capital firm that is funded by and and controlled by, in large way in a large measure, the CIA. The way that I look at it is I think there really are geniuses that start these companies, but I've been in this area. I actually started my first tech company in '95. So I've seen this upfront, and there's but as a you know, I was 19 when I started my first company, so I've spent time within Silicon Valley, and I've spent time on Wall Street.
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And I could tell you how bad it is. And but my view on how it's broken is they just sit there waiting for other people to come up with the ideas, and they know that they can control and shape those ideas through funding. So this is where Silicon Valley has massive influence. So if you come up with a great idea, what'll happen is you'll have a venture capital firm. They'll come in and they'll say, yeah.
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We'll give you the money, but, you know, we wanna control the board or we want to bring in our own CEO. And then they start directing the business. This is how and I yeah. I'm not saying this is necessarily true, but it's conceivable. I don't know if you remember.
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Google started out with this kind of do no evil or do no harm kind of mentality. And that may have been true, but by the time, the investors get involved and then they brought in Eric Schmidt to be CEO, so on and so forth, they started out with the idea of having a decentralized corporate structure with no hierarchy and with this mission of doing no harm. And now they've turned into one of the largest players in the surveillance state globally. And I don't think that happened because the founders of Google had that intent. I think it's the nature and structure of how the funding works that's pushed it towards this technocratic dystopia.
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Speaker 1: That's a that's a really, that's a really good perspective. And and it does make sense. And it's not just, you know, Silicon Valley and startups. I mean, that's you look at big food companies, for instance. You know, they're they're looking for the small mom and pop, you know, chip, you know, maker that has started to gain some traction, and all a sudden, their chips are doing well.
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So they come in, they buy them. You know, it's it's you know, I think it's very common that you'll see that. It's it's oftentimes easier, I think, for a company with the amount of money that these companies have just to come in and buy the small company that that's already started instead of going through all the r and d and all that stuff they need to do, and then they can keep that founder story to it. Right? So everyone always attaches to the the founder story of, oh, that this these chips were made by my grandmother in her, you know, in her little shack in rural Mexico and, you know, so they can attach themselves to that story.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's a great point. And, actually, something that just came up recently. I used to, to get Primal Kitchen products.
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Speaker 1: Me too. Yeah. And Siete. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And so I was so I was excited about, hey. Can I have, you know, mayo that that isn't completely, you
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Speaker 1: Seed oils?
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Speaker 2: Exactly. And so but I I understand that I and I don't know what the full resolution of this is, but they were bought out by one of the big companies. And then recently, there was testing done, and it turns out, you know, the amount that's actually avocado oil is the amount required by law based on how they define your ability to market something as being, you know, natural or whatever it is, but it turns out it's there's a lot of seed oil in that. And and my my point on that is I'm not sure that if Mark Sisson who started that company started out with that or if that's what happened as a result of the company being acquired, but this is what happens all of the time, and this is you know, you're you're you hit the nail on the head with, with big food. They they do that.
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They they take these things, and then nobody pays attention because who's really paying attention? I mean, I people are hopefully paying more attention now, but you have to pay attention to the ingredients and foods that you think you buy that are safe. You gotta update that because they're gonna add maltodextrin. They're gonna add seed oils that you know? And if certainly, if the company gets bought out, that's gonna be a race to the to the bottom.
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And that's what happens with food, health, biotech, the the whole nine yards. And by the way, interestingly, with a similar set of investors behind it all, you wind up with BlackRock and Vanguard and State Street being the largest owners of all of these companies at the end as they go through the, you know, going public process or being acquired by a publicly traded company.
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Yet all of a sudden, there's this this kind of one eighty, and you've got all these people suddenly standing right behind Trump. You know, Elon Musk, all these people that all of a sudden, very, very pro Trump. Front row and the inauguration and all the big events, and you have Elon Musk getting involved. You know, we have Doge, which kinda has love its roots go back to Curtis Yarvin. And and even though Curtis Yarvin was gonna be forming the the America party, like, was one of the the key people that was in talks with Elon Musk about forming the American party.
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You look in it's like, okay. Who's this Curtis Yarvin guy? It's like, oh, this guy's ideologies are frightening to say that you know, to kinda say the least. And but what we've seen, though, under the Trump administration is a rapid increase in what you could call the infrastructure of technocracy, the data centers, the flock cameras, the AI development, the government contracts, the giant tech companies integrating with our own government. And it it it seems like from again, this is my own theory that I have is that I think that what we're witnessing is is more of a technocratic coup.
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Speaker 2: Like, I feel
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Speaker 1: like that, like, that like, that the entire MAGA movement became this vehicle to get to get Trump in and then to then to to bring in this technocracy. And so yeah. And what what are your what are your thoughts on that?
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Speaker 2: It's a classic bait and switch. So if you go before the twenty twenty four election, one of the themes that people were excited about was people were starting to sour on the World Economic Forum and Klaus Schwab and the UN. And so Trump painted himself as this America first guy that was gonna be focused on our national sovereignty. And then to your point, he won. And what the way I like to frame it now is we're getting Agenda 2030 in 2028.
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It because we essentially have no resistance to the essence of Klaus Schwab's agenda, and and these people are pushing it. And now when Elon Musk or Peter Thiel or Larry Ellison or Sam Altman push this, it's now packaged up as patriotism, not as a, you know, global globalist technocracy that's a threat to free will, which is what it actually is. So we are getting all of the things that Trump said that he was against. And this was an issue for I've I've been focused on technocracy. And, specifically, I started out with a focus on warning people about CBDCs, and then that expanded into all of technocracy.
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But I got involved in politics. I ran for president in 2024. I am in New Hampshire where we have the first in the nation primary, and I ran specifically in the Republican primary to raise awareness around the CBDC issue. And I wrote a book. I talked to Vivek Ramaswamy about it, and Vivek Ramaswamy talked to Trump about it.
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And Trump came out against CBDCs in my home state of New Hampshire, like, the week before the presidential primary here. And so people were telling me, oh, you must be excited. Trump said he's against CBDCs. You know? You you won or you, you know, you must be relieved.
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And this is for me where we've had the exact inversion. It what we have is actually worse than a CBDC. They've passed something called the Genius Act where they've taken stablecoins, which are really popular, something like Tether or USDC, these digital tokens that represent the dollar. These are really popular. People did about $33,000,000,000,000 worth of transactions last year using stablecoins.
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And the what the genius act does is it says, okay. Now stablecoins have to be backed by US treasuries. So in other words, we're not getting rid of the dollar. You're actually taking a digital programmable version of the dollar that's private and forcing it to be backed by treasuries, and now you're putting it under the surveillance and control of congress. And to be clear, it's congress that's more than even the federal reserve that is responsible for tracking programming and censorship.
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I don't like the Federal Reserve. They're a useless third party. But if you look at the know your customer laws, all the paperwork that you have to fill out, the biometric information that you have to provide, If you do a transaction more than $10,000, a report all automatically goes to the treasury department. All of that regulation and surveillance comes from congress. That now is applied to stablecoins, which are now required to be backed by treasuries.
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So it is a backdoor CBDC, and yet people have no idea. They're sitting around celebrating saying, well, America's gonna be we're leading the way in cryptocurrency. And now there's another bill called the Clarity Act, which is worse than the Genius Act. In fact, I've I've stated this several times. It's the largest surveillance bill ever proposed in the history of The United States.
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And it affects stablecoins as well because one of the new newest changes to the language is that, they can freeze or burn or even force you to exchange your stablecoin under the Clarity Act. So in other words, let's say you're using Tether or USDC. They can come in and say, well, you know what? We've now created a CBDC. We're going to force you to exchange your stablecoins for our CBDC or for another stablecoin that is more programmable or more trackable.
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And so in this area, Trump has been much worse, but, again, you don't hear people talking about this. There's so much propaganda and so much money being spent to promote this this legislation, the the Genius Act and the Clarity Act as being pro innovation and pro crypto that most people have no idea that they've essentially just signed up for Klaus Schwab except for faster adoption.
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Speaker 1: And I think that that really it really, highlights what I think is what I'm really kind of referring to is the is the the MAGA Trojan horse. Is that you you have a lot of the the MAGA heroes that are now the ones pushing this same information. There's a lot of paid influence campaigns. I think a lot of it you know, you have money from our own government. You have money from Israel.
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But it's apparent that there's a lot of, influence and a lot of propaganda coming into the people that were the the complete freedom fighters, the people that were fighting against propaganda, that exposing propaganda. And you and even just was it yesterday, I think, was that we saw that Data Republican was actually an employ you know, an employee of the department of war for a period. I'm not sure if you saw that going around yet. I mean, that that's, you know, she's a a a very influential person, especially with all the Doge and everything. And you see it's like, oh, gosh.
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These influence campaigns are significant. And when I see this all unfolding, especially, you know, because when as you probably know, when you're when you become what you might call an influencer, right, which is kind of a weird term to even talk about, but, you know, you start to see things that you don't see from the outside. You you have a certain perspective that's more inside the system, and you can you can sort of see and and see the patterns of of of influence, I think, different ways. And that's what I'm noticing is just that there is a there's a massive psychological operation that's going on right now to, I think, to keep the support strong for technocracy and to support flock cameras. And it it's strange.
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The p same people again that were fighting against this stuff a couple years ago are now the ones that are just hey. Just it's it's I don't know. It's kinda like the Charlie Kirk assassination. The same people are questioning everything are now just trust the government, trust the FBI, loan shooter, magic bullet. I it's yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, you you brought up a good point that I didn't or a good question that I don't think I answered, but which you know, what what happened to Elon Musk? What happened to all these people that were against Trump, and everything else? And, they've always technocracy. It's critical that people understand that Elon Musk is explicitly pro technocracy. He is you you can search the tweets.
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He doesn't hide it. He actually says Mars will be a technocracy. He's run polls on it. His grandfather was the head of the technocracy party in Canada. He has stated openly, and he and, again, he this isn't something that he's withdrawn, that he's for an energy credit system.
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He has stated that cash is going to go away and that we're going to move to a a currency based on energy. This is the essence of technocracy. So Elon Musk didn't have a switch. As I said, the political parties don't matter. The technocrats what the technocrats are effective at doing is using the force of the state through regulation and then, subsidies through tax credits to push their global technocratic agenda, and it gets positioned as being patriotic.
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And what's amazing is that people fall for it, but part of the reason that they fall for it is what you just described. We're actually dealing with, I would argue, more censorship. People say, well, Elon Musk saved free speech. He didn't. He now has algorithmic control.
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So while while it may be more obvious as to who is outright banned or not, the control and the lever of that algorithm is massive. And I will tell you, my traffic is down 90% because all I talk about is technocracy. Post that I had that would do a 100,000, 200, 300,000 views, I'm getting a thousand views because I'm explicitly talking about technocracy. But then go look at these other platforms. Look at who's involved in Rumble.
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JD Vance, Vivek Ramaswamy. These are people that have ownership positions. Peter Thiel has been involved in Facebook, Palantir. So all of the, quote, distribution channels and social media companies that people claim are now about free speech are actually controlled by technocrats who can completely manipulate the algorithm to push their agenda. It's a form of soft censorship.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I I couldn't agree more with that. I mean, on Twitter, for instance, I mean, I've got maybe 93,000 followers. Most of my posts get two or 3,000 impressions. And yet there's also there's accounts that you see that, you know, they've got half a million followers, and they they regularly have posts that are getting millions and millions of impressions. Their average post is getting a hundred, two hundred, 300,000 impressions.
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And and it's not just that. It's it's Facebook. It's YouTube. You know, Rumble, I I haven't I haven't seen any any level of censorship on Rumble. Maybe because, you know, I I know some of the team over there, and, yeah, perhaps it's and I'm not sure why, but, you know, I've I've done well with Rumble.
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I haven't had any issues with them. But there it's definitely still there. And now, you know, one thing I I wanna ask, and this, you know, I am just kind of trying to form the the the thoughts on this to understand that. I really wanna hear your thoughts on this is that I've been trying to understand, like, where does Trump stand in all this? Because I was I was someone that, especially, you know, going back to 2020, I was a a very strong supporter.
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You know, the original video that I made that kinda started my career was the plot to steal America, which was highlighting election fraud. It was very, very pro Trump, and I was very, very focused on that. And I I was convinced that Trump was this guy coming from the outside that was gonna drain the swamp and that was gonna, you know, prosecute the Epstein stuff and do, you know, do all these things that I think a lot of people were hoping for. And yet, I feel like it's it's almost been not just the opposite, but it's like, in addition to, like, throwing Epstein aside, kind of mocking the people that believed in the Epstein conspiracies, it's not just that. It's that this technocratic system is being built under him or or using him, and he's he's got to understand what's going on.
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I got I don't think that he's just some kind of innocent puppet that these people are controlling through various means. I mean, he he has to be aware of what's happening and what's being built in this country. What what how do you make sense of that?
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Speaker 2: I I view him as I've spent a lot of time studying him, over over the years. I mean, I actually met him when I was 19. It was it was kind of early on in the in the process, and, he is very opportunistic. He's very shrewd about being opportunistic. So he is not driving the technocratic agenda.
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Like, for instance, if you go back to let's take the category of cryptocurrency. During his first administration, he was anti crypto. He had all of these comments out about, you know, Bitcoin is bad and crypto is bad and and, you know, I I'm not a fan of Bitcoin, so I don't wanna get these things lumped together. And then but then all of a sudden, you know, he gets elected to second term and seventy two hours before the inauguration, they launch two meme coins, and his net worth has increased more in the second term than I think, you know, at any point prior to that. And a lot of this is monetizing his own position and his own policy.
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And by the way, to me, the most if somebody if you wanted to ask me what is the most concrete example of technocracy, it's what is being proposed in Gaza. They are proposing taking Gaza, which you could argue is a open air prison, and turning it into a digital prison. And this isn't a conspiracy theory or even, like, a World Economic Forum poster of a fifteen minute city. This is a business plan that was presented at Davos, and I have all 31 slides of it. And at the end of this, they're going to build, I believe, six or eight AI powered smart cities in Gaza with a digital currency, which will be a stablecoin.
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And in fact, it's been floated that the Trump family stablecoin USD 1 might be the actual digital currency for this reconstruction project. Palantir is involved. And if you are a, you know, citizen or prisoner to whatever you wanna call it of Gaza, what you will get is you don't get any of your land back. You'll get a digital token that basically gives you the ability to either leave or to be held captive in one of these AI powered smart cities. This is an actual business plan.
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Jared Kushner's involved. It's a real estate deal, and part of what's pushing it is the board of peace. So I wanna go back to something that I said prior to 2024, people there was a big consensus around, yeah, we need to stop the WEF. We need to stop the UN. And it was all about this globalism versus America first.
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Well, Trump then creates this board of peace. And the board of peace is this multinational organization that has its own military force. I believe they have, like, 20,000 people. Trump is the chair for life. In order to become a participant, you have to contribute at least a billion dollars.
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He structured this so that The US is going they haven't put it in yet, but I think he committed to The US putting in $10,000,000,000. And the people on the board of this are Trump, Tony Blair. And by the way, if anybody, you know, out there is, you know, say saying that Trump's not a globalist, he he brought in Tony Blair of all people to be on the board. You have the president of the World Bank on the board. So this board of peace is essentially the new, UN, but there's nothing different about the agenda.
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It's pushing the exact same technocratic agenda, and no nations benefit from this. These projects are corporations. It's not like this is a pro US. You couldn't even make that argument even if you could bypass the morality of it. You couldn't even make the argument based on financial interests.
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The interests are specific companies and specific individuals. And so so I don't think Trump pushed the technocratic plan, but he has now positioned himself to be, he and his family, the biggest financial beneficiary.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And and you can't you can't ignore that. It's if you look at even looking at the crypto space, I forget what the name of their crypto company is. World
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Speaker 2: World Liberty Financial.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. There you go. Right? I mean, because if you look at you mentioned before, kind of this backdoor CBDC. You've got Howard Lutnick heavily involved, right, with, what's it?
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Fitzgerald Cantor, I think, is his company that his sons are are running. You've got Tether. Right? We we haven't talked about Tether. You've got, you know, World Liberty as well.
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And what you can see is that it kind of, you know, the the hoorah rah. Oh, wow. Great. You know, Trump is against the CBDC. I think, again, it's it's it's another bait and switch, whereas it's like, oh, actually, what's even worse is a private is the private version.
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Similar to what we're talking about earlier with Silicon Valley is that, you know, a private company managing this technology, this information isn't bound by the same laws as if it was done by you know, through congress or through a governmental agency. There's a lot more freedom and, a lot more opportunity to eat away at our freedoms.
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Speaker 2: Well, again, the stablecoins end up being programmable. They end up being freezable. And at the end of the day, you know, my view is that we need money separated from state. This is why, you know, I stopped using a personal bank account, in 2019. I live on crypto gold and silver, but I've moved into privacy coins entirely because and so even in the stablecoin realm, you know, I use something like Freedom Dollar, which is a privacy stablecoin instead of something like Tether because you you need to worry about your government freezing it and and tracking it and not because you're engaged in, you know, illegal activities.
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All we have to do is look at what happened in 2020 and everything involving the Canadian truckers and the COVID lockdowns and everything else. We are already aware of the willingness and ability for the government from the top down to violate our constitutional rights. And then them having the ability to do that through digital programmable money and digital programmable assets is that is the springboard for complete digital tyranny. Now the Trump family, I mean, they're not only involved in it with this proposal with the thing in Gaza is one thing, but USD 1 is already being used in Pakistan. And so what's happening is he's using political ties and political influence to push his particular digital programmable currency, which by the way has backdoors, and there's all kinds of other stuff going on with this.
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But Trump cannot there there's no, playing ignorance card. There's no you know, at some point, you know, I don't know how this guy can be playing five d chess and yet get fooled all of the time now into a second term. But there is he's not naive. He's not stupid. He's not playing five d chess, but he is opportunistically going with the tide, and he's positioned himself really well.
33:16
I mean, again, I don't think Iran conflict is not about stopping nuclear weapons. And in fact, even the foreign policy that we've had in The Middle East, you know, if you look at it, it's not even cynical. It's, I think, pretty accurate to suggest that what's going on in Gaza is now part of a technocratic reconstruction project that has private beneficiaries. It's not about national def defense at all, and and it's expanding. You know, with the what do you think is gonna happen when it with when they go into talking about Cuba and talking about all these other things?
33:47
At the end of it, there's gonna be a Trump resort digital cons you know, currency and a new surveillance system. But it's coming here too, and it's already largely here in America. So, I mean, I created a site called Technocracy Atlas to show people what's going on in every state in The US and in every country in the world. And if there's a, you know, a section up at the top with with maps, animated maps that shows the growth of technocracy from 1973 through today and then projected out to 2030. And I have all kinds of data.
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If, you know, it's it's a free site. People can you you can get an email submit your email address, and you get a PDF that shows you in your state what's going on. And and I have all of the methodology used to calculate this. This should be horrifying to people because it's not somebody just saying, well, gee, this is a conspiracy theory that these things are happening. Most of these things have already happened.
34:41
And, and the amount of surveillance that's going on, what's already going on with, you know, flock cameras, which people are now starting to become aware of. But but this the infrastructure for this has been going on and being built piece by piece for decades. And, you know, we have real ID in The United States. That is the basis for the digital ID, and it was there was resistance against it for twenty years. It was actually initially proposed as a tie in to an emergency relief typhoon bill, and it passed, but the states pushed back for twenty years.
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And it wasn't until the first one hundred and twenty days of Trump's second term that Real ID was implemented, and now I believe it's digital in 13 states. The goal is for for it to be digital in all 50 states by 2028. That's your digital ID. Where's the outrage about a digital ID? I saw people when The UK was talking about it, when Starmer several months back was talking about forcing a digital ID, people in America were laughing and saying, oh, we don't ever wanna become like that.
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You know, look at these people. You know, aren't we glad that we won the revolution? And a lot of those people have a real ID and don't even know it.
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Speaker 1: And I think that that that's a big part of this is that the the more I I look at this and the more I I observe what's happening in America, I actually I actually believe that America is one of the most captured countries in the world. Like, I think that we're one of the least free countries in the world. And and it's it's it's probably a controversial statement. Of course, you know, we don't have we're not communist China. We're not, you know, countries that you know, even The UK, you can see, you know, some pretty aggressive things happening.
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But I think that it's partly that and and I'd be careful with how I word this. I'll probably upset a few, you know, listeners, but the whole idea of the constant repetition of America's land of the free, land of the free. We're tell we're being told how free we are. I think it's not that far away from having a a a dog in a cage, and you're telling the dog every day, you're free. You're free.
36:39
You're free. And I think that Americans, like, we have just this idea that, oh, this is America's the land of the free, but we don't realize that almost the entirety of what's around us in this country is captured, whether it's by what you've talked about with, you know, private country you know, companies with their own interests or government agencies. Like, if you look at just the the medical system is captured. The Silicon Valley is basically captured. Our own our own army, our own military, our own our own fighting force, I'd say, in many ways, is captured.
37:08
Look at, you know, how they handled the mRNA shots, you know, COVID, everything. Our education system has been kinda captured since almost day one, right, when Rockefeller came in and and funded and changed everything. If you look at so much of what makes things up in America, it's like we're we're almost it's like it's like an open air prison. And they're in now we see they're intentionally poisoning our food. They're poisoning our skies.
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They're poisoning our minds. They're, you know, poisoning our children. There's all these things that are happening, but I think for a lot of Americans, they they can't see it for what it is because they have this idea of what America is in their minds that, oh, America is free. I can go buy a gun. I can do this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean, I I actually did an episode on this, and it is controversial to say this. And and I wanna say this, and I think you probably are are in the same state. I mean, I love the the ideals of what this country was founded on. I mean, you look at the constitution, you look at the declaration of independence.
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This was the experiment in freedom. But at some point, you have to look at it objectively. And the only way you can retain or even have the hope of maintaining that is through radical honesty. Because if you're still buying the slogan, but you're actually living the inversion of it, then you're lying to yourself, and you're doing yourself a disservice. And objectively and I've I've laid out this argument.
38:23
The only two areas that The United States is first in is military spending and incarceration rate. This is an objective fact. We have the thirty eighth highest health care costs. We are horrible from the standpoint of press freedom. We're not at the top of list of economic freedom.
38:39
We're not even leading, by the way, in innovation, you know, regardless of how we think the innovation is being China is ahead in, like, '58 of '64 technology categories. We've long had this idea of that it's communist China and they're dirt poor and whatever or they're stealing IP. They're ahead of us in almost all of these areas. Education, is is a disaster. And so, we have to recognize that and accept the truth of it before we can improve it.
39:08
Just wanting it to be how it's been propagandized to us isn't going to make it true. And so but it is a hard pill for people to swallow. People don't wanna hear it. People immediately, become defensive about it. But if you want America to be the freest country, then you actually have to acknowledge this and you have to work for it.
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Speaker 1: I I couldn't agree more. And and makes me think because if you look at the if you look at the complexity of the the psychological operations, They're they are so complex. You know, there's a lot of people that that they think that they've got outside the system. You know, they they've researched it. They've figured out.
39:48
I mean, look look at the entire q movement, which I think now I I think is almost certainly some sort of government operation, whether it's Mossad, whether it's CIA, or the kind of two two bird wings of the same bird. I think that what it did is it took all these people that would have been radically resistant to the exact same things we're talking about right now. They would have been the ones with, you know, forming militias. You know, they they would have been the most resistant to what we see happening, and they've convinced a large chunk of those people that doesn't matter what Trump does. It doesn't matter if it it whether it's Clarity Act or some of the stuff with crypto and CBDC or the Epstein files.
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Whatever he does, they have a way of spinning it and saying, oh, well, this is exactly part of the plan. This is him. He's he's pulling out the enemies. He's exposing the enemies. And I I think that that's just one part of it.
40:39
But I think that the the psychological operation of this and I I've even got myself wondering, you know, all the media hatred of Trump, right, going back in 2016, all of the just the venomous hatred towards Trump, I it's made me wonder, was that part of the plan? Was that because they knew people were were losing trust in the media, and they needed to bring somebody in. They needed to get the people that were, again, the most likely to be resistant to government tyranny. And they it's like, did they need to get them to be convinced that this one guy was gonna come in and and drain drain the swamp and and re take out take down this deep state cabal and system. Because I've and I've been wondering is, like, is this whole thing some sort of this very complex social engineering campaign to get all these people somehow convinced that politics is the way to fix things?
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Speaker 2: I I think anything that is designed to cause you to believe in something other than yourself, anything that's designed to move you away from taking responsibility for your own thoughts, your own actions, and your own emotions is a psyop, whether it's intentional or not. And I really truly firmly believe that. So I I I think it's completely plausible that this was manufactured. I mean, if you take a step back and you look at it, how did we go from the guy that pushed operation warp speed and added more debt in one term than any president in the history of The United States to being all of a sudden the only person in the entire world that could save Western civilization. Right?
42:15
I mean, he didn't exactly have the bio to even be able to do it. So and the problem with it is it's demoralizing because you talk to people now. Now look. People have it's it's you know, like yourself, many others are are are have looked at this and said, okay. This obviously isn't what we expected it to be, but I think demoralization is part of it.
42:32
You tell people, believe in something outside of what you can do for your own life, and then and then we're going to put the the worst possible person up there that's going to let you down the most. And, you know, we were talking a little bit before this. I, you know, I was involved in politics, then I got completely out of politics, and I started focusing on kind of this idea of exiting and building. And I've recently realized I've I've modified kind of my my thinking or my own personal tagline, which is now expose, obstruct, exit, and build simply because this technocracy is accelerating so rapidly that we don't even have time to exit and build. I mean, so many people would have to be exiting and building so so quickly to be able to overcome the rollout of flock cameras, to be able to overcome the rollout of the Genius Act and the Clarity Act.
43:21
And by the way, the Clarity Act is about taking everything that you own, digitizing it, and making it programmable, trackable, and sensible. So not just the money, not just how you pay for things, your stocks, your bonds, your car, your house, all of that will be a digital token that can be centrally controlled, which is why I say it's the largest surveillance bill ever proposed. Well, these things are being put in place with no friction. So I know a lot of us are working on the exiting and building, but as I'm looking at this, even as I'm, you know, dealing with, you know, privacy coins and everything else, the the the the window of opportunity is shrinking for exiting and building. And so I think that it's important to come up with some innovative strategies to obstruct the system and expose the system at the political level and at the legal level as well.
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Speaker 1: So just to just to highlight and say back to you, wanna hear more about the, you know, kind of some of the solutions. Whereas before, it was easy to have the idea of you see this being you see this being built, and it's almost like you see a storm coming, and you're just gonna escape. You're gonna kind of retreat up into the mountains, build a little cabin to create your own little safe haven. But I think that now, think it's you're as you mentioned, it's apparent that the storm is gaining speed and it's so powerful and so fast, that's not gonna save you anymore. You have to figure out how to educate people about the storm coming and obstruct what's happening with the storm.
44:45
And so, you know, you're a man of action. You don't you don't just talk about things. You do things. So when you're looking at this technocracy emerging, and and not necessarily emerging, it's it's almost like it's it's now rearing its head. It's it's been it's been building and building for decades and decades, but now we're seeing it more.
45:04
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46:38
Speaker 2: One of the things that came out of my political activism is I realized that you can't fix the system, you know, from within or within the third within the two parties, but you can use a third party strategically. Not that a third party can win, but when you have a fifty fifty divided country, you can use a third party race to influence the outcome of the race. And so for I I did this in 2016. I ran for US senate to cost our senator the race because she was interfering in our state politics, and it was successful. I ran as an independent.
47:10
I got 18,000 votes. They were pulled mostly Republicans. She lost by a thousand votes. It was the most expensive US senate race per capita in the history of The United States. So I'm looking what's going on with this technocracy, and I look at some of the things that Trump said.
47:24
Now he said so many things that he's gone back on or not fulfilled that, you know, it could have been a longer list, but I I focused on four. He said he was gonna end the war on crypto. Well, he didn't end the war on crypto. And, you know, I've been advocating for people that have been target were targeted under Biden. I've been advocating for these people publicly for years.
47:43
People like Ian Freeman, Roger Ver, Roman Storm, Keoni Rodriguez, William Hill, Roman Sterlingoff, Ray Youssef. These these seven people I mean, it didn't start out as seven. It started out as one, and now it's seven because the the, persecution has continued under Trump. So I said, look. He needs to end the war on crypto.
48:02
He needs to kill the Clarity Act, which again is like I don't even know to describe it. It's it's 10 it's the Patriot Act times 10. He needs to fire Howard Lutnick because he said he was going to drain the swamp. Howard Lutnick is, in my opinion, the single clearest embodiment of the swamp. And you you mentioned it earlier, but everything from his ties with Epstein to his ties with Tether where, you know, he negotiated a deal for his firm to manage all the treasuries backing the world's largest stablecoin then gets into politics and pushes the legislation requiring stablecoins to be backed by US treasuries.
48:37
It's it's corruption on a blatant scale, and and and nobody's even questioning this. Like, nobody's even looking at this as if it's a bad thing. Ludnick was involved in in writing the tariff legislation, which he wrote four times too high, and it got reversed by the supreme court. Well, meanwhile, his family, Cantor Fitzgerald, profited on that. They bet that the tariff would be turned over at the supreme court and profited from it.
49:01
And then last, I put on a kind of end the draft, but this idea that we're even in Iran. So many people voted for Trump on the basis of his numerous statements on no new wars in The Middle East. And yet here we are. They're talking about the draft in this situation, and there's nothing that's come out. This is this is this the situation in Iran doesn't even reach the Colin Powell lying to the UN about nuclear material in in Iraq.
49:28
This is actually there's less of a basis for this. And so I'm I'm running for US senate again as a third party, but the idea being this. Right now, based on the prediction markets, the breakdown, it's a fifty fifty toss-up of who's gonna control the US senate. Well, I've already shown that running as a third party, I can cost this race. The Republican in the race, John Issununu, is a technocrat.
49:51
He's one of these political dynasty guys who, when he was a US senator before, voted for the Patriot Act, voted for REAL ID, voted for TARP, became the chair of a WEF finance committee because of his involvement with TARP, then became a lobbyist for Big Pharma and went from a net worth of less than $1,000,000 to $36,000,000, and now he's running again as a, quote, independent republican. So I'm not worried about, you know, people like, well, if you run, you're gonna cost the republican the election. If that's a republican, at some point, you have to kind of, you know, clean house. But what I've said is if Trump meets those four demands, honors what he said he was gonna do, end the war on crypto, kill the clarity act, fire Lutnick, and, end the draft, then I won't go on the ballot. But if he does, then I will be on the ballot, and it may cost the republicans control of the United States senate.
50:43
In other words, there's accountability one of two ways, either before the election or after the election. So I'm so what I'm saying is you can use a third party to try to hold the existing parties accountable. We're not gonna fix the system, but it might buy time. But I wanna say one other thing emerged throughout this that I think is a tool for everyone who wants to get involved with obstruction. They have tried to keep me off of the ballot in the state of New Hampshire.
51:07
It's very difficult to be to get on the ballot. You have to sign this declaration of candidacy, and then you have to collect 3,000 certified signatures. Well, they have tried to keep me off the ballot saying that my declaration of candidacy wasn't legitimate. They said I wasn't registered to vote where I live, so on and so forth. So I I sued them in federal court.
51:27
Now this is the important part. I sued them pro se. I used AI, and this is kind of in the category of fighting fire with fire. I used AI, and I defeated the attorney general of the state of New Hampshire in federal court. And based on the analysis, I'm gonna go through all of this here.
51:45
But, if I were to have paid a lawyer to do what I was able to do with AI, it would have cost between 200,000 and $400,000. Instead, it cost me $400 in filing fees and my time using AI. Now, by the way, took me two hundred hours. I trained myself on the cases. I did all kinds of prep.
52:02
I ran simulation. Like, there a lot went into this. But here's my point. How often do we just simply not fight tyranny and fight technocracy because we we can't afford it? We can't even play at that level.
52:15
If it's gonna cost 2 to $400,000, no one's gonna fight. How many laws are there that are just blatantly unconstitutional that no one even challenges because you can't pay the entry fee? So what I'm saying is you could use, and I'm gonna make tools available next year, maybe sooner depending upon how this other stuff comes out, to help others fight in court pro se. So imagine now you can fight flock cameras in court pro se as your own lawyer.
52:43
Speaker 1: You can fight that that pro se means just you're representing yourself?
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Speaker 2: It means you're representing yourself. So so this so I drafted all the documents. I drafted like I said, it it estimated a hundred and seventy five to two hundred ninety hours worth of of legal time is what went into creating these legal documents. And then I even trained myself on how to handle myself in court because I was going head to head against, you know, in this case, the assistant AG and and won. Like, just just crush them.
53:10
Now there's now the state is still appealing, the the the ruling of the magistrate and everything else. And what'll be more interesting is how much are they gonna push to try to keep me off the ballot. That in and of itself is telling. But what I'm saying is that the two techniques here that I think are valuable are the ability to use AI to empower people to fight pro se at all levels, whether you're fighting the state or whether you're fighting technocracy and large technocratic firms. And then the ability to use a strategic third party like the way that I'm using it to hold the other parties accountable and to slow things up.
53:45
Again, this isn't I'm not saying there's a political solution. What I'm saying is, though, there is a way to absolutely slow down the system, on both fronts, which we need. I mean, if we could buy five years, that would be really helpful. Because if this stuff happens by 2028, I we're we're in serious trouble. And frankly, at the rate, this is accelerating right now.
54:03
This everyone should look at the Clarity Act immediately because they're coming back, and they're gonna potentially vote on it as early as September 15. If you if you think it's a crypto bill and your position is I don't care about crypto, if you own a stock, if you own an asset, if you own a house, if you own a four zero one k, you will be affected. Right now, you don't own the stock certificates in publicly traded companies or in your four zero one k. You go through a broker. So that broker is just gonna convert the paper stock certificates that you don't own to these digital tokens that you don't own that can be more easily controlled by the government and other third parties.
54:40
This is why if you're just thinking, oh, it's a crypto bill and it doesn't affect me, it absolutely affects everyone.
54:47
Speaker 1: I wanna highlight one thing you mentioned in talking about the the the race and the control over the house. And and this is a tricky one. This is something that I find that is even a lot of the the people that are watching my show that would still consider themselves Republicans. It's almost like blasphemous to talk about not voting or what you're talking about, intentionally holding out and and affecting the race in a way that would potentially hurt Republicans. But again, again, I think that as you're talking about earlier, when you have these ideas that you've had for so long, those ideas become your reality, it's it's hard for a lot of people to objectively question those things.
55:24
Like, it's hard to look yourself in the mirror and question some of the very foundational beliefs that you have about how things work. It's not easy. It's uncomfortable. But I personally enjoy doing it because I find that I grow. Whenever I do that, I grow and I expand.
55:38
And I I I feel as if I get closer to what's true and what's right and what's just. But if you look at it, even with the idea of left versus right, it's like for a lot of a lot of conservatives or Republicans, you could tell them, okay. You've got blue and you've got the red. If you vote for the red, America's gonna turn into a technocracy. If you vote for the blue, there's gonna be more upfront online censorship.
56:03
You're gonna have, you know, boys back into girls sports, and you're gonna have some other issues and more communist leanings. But you're looking at both things. And, like, for me, I'm looking at it and saying, I'm not sure which is worse. Right? When I look at this, it's like, well, they're both really bad.
56:18
I think it's apparent to me now. They're both really bad. But for a lot of people, they'll still say if they say, oh, Aaron Day, you're just you're a turncoat trader. If if you're gonna do something that would potentially affect the outcome of the whether the Republican, you know, kinda maintains control over the House or, you know, whatnot. And I I think it's just it's just another instance of that people they're still very, very controlled by this political system.
56:43
You know, they're very controlled by it. And and now you'll see as we approach the midterms, I think it's a lot of these same influencers that are, like, you know, I think being paid. Not all of them, but think a lot of them are. It's gonna be, hey. We have to get out and vote.
56:55
We gotta have a a red wave. And it's like, I remember the red wave that was supposed to happen, what, four years ago that ended up being a whole nothing burger. And then and then, like, we then we had Trump coming in '20 you know, you know, in his recent term with, you know, massive control of the federal government, massive control of what's happening in congress and the house. And and you look at this, and it's like, well, that control has been used to accelerate the building of of the technocracy, to to build the digital prison even faster and more efficiently. So how it's like, well, how do you even position yourself?
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Speaker 2: Whether you vote for a republican or whether you vote for a democrat, you get technocracy. And you have to understand that Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, these people can control the parties. They use the parties, and they'll side with whoever's in power. That mean that's inevitably what happens. You know, Bill Gates will flip.
57:43
All of sudden, Gates is at the table. At one point, Trump was gonna sue Mark Zuckerberg, and now Mark Zuckerberg is on his AI committee. It's so for these technocrats, they're not they are political. They're technocrats. They're not Republicans or Democrats, and technocracy is a global ideology.
57:59
Once you understand and accept that, you realize that we're just getting played. They want us divided on red versus blue. But the one thing that I will say is I I was a republican for a a long time. My stepmother was the cochair of the RNC and was actually Trump's ambassador to Costa Rica. So, I mean, I I grew up as I I've seen about as much Republican as as you can see.
58:19
But the thing is you have to now look at it and say, well, you know, there's gonna be a red wave or whether there's not gonna be a red wave. The Republicans have complete control of all three branches of government. And in my state, they have control over all three branches of government. And the deficit deficits have continued. Gas here is I don't know where you are.
58:36
It's more than $4 a gallon here. It's much more expensive. We're at war all over the place, and the surveillance state is expanding. So the the question for people that get get stuck on the, well, at least it's not a democrat. I mean, how much worse does it need to get?
58:49
And the truth of the matter is when you study this, the worst possible situation is one party rule regardless of which party. You can look at spending. You can look at all of the stuff. And, you know, it is not true that Republicans are fiscally conservative, and it's not true that Democrats are antiwar. None of that is true objectively.
59:07
That that's the rhetoric that they use. But in the end, you have to start looking at the results. In the end, I believe this is why from the standpoint of as much as I'm running for office and doing the stuff on the obstruction side, I ditched the dollar. I actually created a site called ditch the dollar. Stop using the dollar.
59:22
I stopped using the health care system. I created something called OSRA. I recommend that people form a medical trust to protect your assets from the medical complex because every minute in this country, someone files for medical bankruptcy. Every minute. And 75% of those have health insurance.
59:40
Health insurance does not protect you from a catastrophic situation. And so you can use medical tourism, and you can save 80% and get better health outcomes. I'm not talking about just cosmetic surgery. I'm talking about, you know, complex bypass surgery. I'm talking about forms of treatment you can't even get in The United States.
1:00:00
Once you start exploring these things, and as you said, you've gotta change your thinking. What has the thinking been? How long have we heard America has the greatest health care system in the world? We hear that all the time. It is objectively 100% false.
1:00:16
I saw a graph recently from the Jeffrey Tucker sent it out on the under Brownstone that shows the graph of health care spending and then life expectancy. Even pre COVID, you know, life expectancy had started to decline in The United States, and I think we spend something like $4,000,000,000,000 a year on health care. Well, once you once you get out of the motive, you might think, oh, well, I have to use insurance, and I have to work within network. And, you know, your your belief as to what is possible for your health care options is, like, predefined in the same red versus blue thing. It's like UnitedHealthcare versus Cigna or whatever.
1:00:50
But the reality is once you let all that go, you'll find you can pay less even in The United States cash than you pay for premiums. And it is that much a scam. This is why on osr.com, I actually put together a list of of some of the things, not to get into too much detail, but, I mean, these hospitals have a a kind of a price sheet of of how much everything costs. And they're supposed to make that price sheet publicly available, and 82% of hospitals don't, opting instead to pay a $300 a day penalty. Because if you saw in advance how much hospitals charge, you'd never pay for you you would never buy these services.
1:01:27
I mean, there are cases where they'll mark up an alcohol swab that costs 1¢, and they'll charge you $7 for it. Rubber gloves and aspirin, so on and so forth. I mean, in what kind of economic system do you have a situation where people don't tell you the prices up front, and if you don't pay them, they push you into bankruptcy? Well, that is the nature of the health care system in The United States. And so I've just mentioned what I do from the standpoint of money and health, but every aspect of your life.
1:01:54
You are in control of your own life, and you don't need permission. Once you realize you don't need permission to take control of your life, it's a scary thing to have responsibility, but you can just walk away from these systems and begin to build other systems. And that ultimately is the way. But I do think the obstruction part is necessary for the purpose of buying time.
1:02:12
Speaker 1: How do you handle cell phone? Because I think this is one of the the big ones. If you look at the backbone of the modern technocratic system, I think it's the cell phone. So what do you what do you use?
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Speaker 2: I actually have one. It's a daylight freedom phone. You can actually go to daylightfreedom.org and click on phone. This is a degoogled phone that that actually has a lot of the apps and everything that we've created preinstalled, but you can, yeah, completely degoogled a whole bunch of privacy VPN functionality, alternate apps for a lot of the things that you use today. There are a lot of different alternatives for things like text and and chat and social media that are not part of the the big tech agenda.
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You can actually buy a SIM card using a privacy coin and remain, you know, undetected that way. So this is this is actually the what where I've gone with with this. This is a a a recent addition to to what we what we've been doing. But, actually, I this you're looking at the phone, but the phone is one part of a broader initiative for daylight freedom. The idea behind daylight freedom is to help people improve their sovereignty across 10 different areas.
1:03:26
You know? Take back control of your mind. Take back control of your attention, your health, your, you know, your education, your AI. And this phone just happens to be a highly leveraged way for you to attack a number of those areas. Because in the end, this is about reclaiming your mind, determining making sure you're deciding what you think.
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You're not being programmed by algorithms, by TV, by, you know, corporate influence, by government influence. It's the the biggest thing that we all have the ability to do, and the most powerful thing we can do is reclaim
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Speaker 1: So I didn't realize because I was actually researching, phones recently, and I didn't realize that that you were behind the daylight phone because it was it was coming up in some of the research.
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Speaker 2: On Monday, the daylight phone there's a daylight computer, which is something completely different. This is, this is just a phone. This is I I'm surprised that would come up in the research because it's pretty it's pretty new. But, but, nevertheless, I mean, I I think it's a it's an important tool. And once you start realizing how much of your time like, you know, I use AI all of the time.
1:04:28
It it it's it's the same with all these technologies. I'm not anti technology. For instance, you can use a digital currency, and you can have a privacy coin like a Zeno or Freedom Dollar or Monero, or you can have a CBDC or one of these government controlled stablecoins. Well, there's a there's a massive difference between the two. One enables you to engage in voluntary trade anywhere in the world without anybody tracking you.
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The other zaps your free will, and there's a complete top down control system. The same is true with AI. You can passively use AI, and you can do one of these things like people have done with chat GPT where they use it as a psychologist, and then they end up getting tricked by the LLM into killing themselves, which is a horrible tragedy that's actually happened. Or you can use it proactively and use it to defeat the attorney general in federal court. There's a it's a there's so with all of these things, there are, you know, freedom versus tyranny components to it.
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And and I think once if we can start helping people realize that they have control and that there are always more than two choices. We everything that we do is pushed into this, duopoly frame in life, and and that's not true. We live in a in a universe of infinite possibility.
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Speaker 1: So it's a very, very, very good point. And I think that a big part of it is just helping people to understand that and helping people to to see outside of the binary the binary system that they've put us into. It's Coke or Pepsi. It's, you know, blue or red. I mean, this just goes back to you you go back into Edward Bernays.
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You look at, you know, the the the really, the master social engineers. This is all part of the plan all along. It was exactly what we're seeing right now. But I think it's it's Plato's it's it's the allegory of the cave. What they don't want is for people to realize that most of what you see around us is just a there's shadows on the wall that are being manipulated by people to convince us that that is what reality is.
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When there's actually an entrance to the cave and there's daylight outside, and that's where the real freedom exists.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. And it doesn't take many people to wake up. I mean, so many people are are just sitting around, you know, doing what they imitate or doing what they see or doing what they've been taught. I mean, you know, I we could talk about it for for years, frankly, what goes what goes on with the medical, community and the fact that, you know, what's defined as the standard of care. The more I drill down on these things, you find out there's nothing at the bottom of it or maybe even something with malicious intent.
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If if people just start to become curious and start exercising their own mind, but realizing that you do have free will and that you do have the ability to make your own decisions, I don't even think a lot of people are aware of that. That doesn't even occur to them that that's actually the case. But it takes so few people to wake up to make a big difference and and to start showing what's possible. And then, you know, I think we I'm actually optimistic. I'll tell you oftentimes, you know, when when people talk to me and, you know, over the last few years because it's been a lot of, well, here's what's the CBDC update.
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You know? It's like, well, okay. If you're if I'm gonna go through and talk about genius and clarity. But I will tell you, this ability to to obstruct this and the ability to use some of these different tools buys us time. I have I have quite a bit of optimism that if if we, kinda broaden our horizons and and take this, you know, expose, obstruct, exit, and build framework, I actually think we can we can
1:07:43
Speaker 1: stop this technocracy. I'm also very optimistic for those reasons. And, also, I I'm optimistic because I think that so much of this plan, this technocratic agenda, is built on the back of AI. And I think that the engineers of the AIs are looking into the future. I think a lot of them thought they could play god, and they thought they could create a a a life that was the most profound life that's ever existed in the universe, which is AI.
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And I think that it's that hubris and that arrogance that will be their downfall. Because now, again, you know, we only have access to consumer grade AI. And I don't know what is, you know, being done on private servers or within the, you know, headquarters of the DOD or whatnot. But we can you can see the AI is not living up to what they presented. And you can look at it in the finances.
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You can look at it in the companies that there's been reports coming out saying that a lot of companies have invested heavily into AI. It's not panning out. And so that's another thing that does give me hope is that I think that the system that they think that they can build is the Tower Of Babel and, that it is bound to come crashing down.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. The way that they're implementing it and by the way, this is even when you wait. Because, again, I do like AI. I view AI as as something, but it's because I'm training it on on how I think. And I and it's helping me to think better, but that's not the way that these AI systems are being pushed.
1:09:06
And what's ironic about this because you you know, mentioned if you if you ever question whether America is this dominant place or whatever. One of the most fascinating trends in AI is the fact that all of these top down woke systems, like Claude and ChatGPT and everything else, they're now facing a massive threat from open source models from China. I mean, in a massive threat. And and for a lot of people listening to this, it's really hard to even listen to what I'm say saying long enough to consider it. But we're in a situation where the Trump AI policy between the White House AI policy and this bill that was pushed forward by, Marsha Blackburn from South Carolina in the senate, this would give top down control over the AI to where the Department of Energy would need to get involved to approve whether an AI system can even be released to the public.
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The FCC would be involved in doing political bias analysis to whether or not the AI was biased. It would get rid of section two, two thirty, so there's no free speech element of this at all, which would mean that the developers would be held liable. It gives commerce secretary Howard Lutnick the unilateral authority to snipe and shoot down any state regulation of AI. This is what is being pushed. This is the it did you don't have to believe me.
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When you get off of this, go and Google or go you whatever tool you want, find the White House AI policy and find this Marsha Blackburn bill. This is a complete top down. So this is their vision of AI, and that vision of AI won't work. And to your point, it is the tower of, and it should be resisted. I even find some libertarians that are sitting here somehow viewing this as being free market.
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There's such a massive disconnect between, you know, capital crony capitalism versus free market capitalism, and there's a lot that's being misunderstood in the libertarian sector about you know, I saw something today from the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire where they said, you know, we need to abolish democracy. And, of course, I would argue, we don't have a democracy. We have a a republic. But that aside, the problem is a lot of of this libertarian wing has been influenced by Curtis Yarvin. And in essence, yeah, mob world democracy is horrible.
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Technocracy is actually worse. And so there's been a lot of trickery that's going on, in the political realm and a lot of misunderstanding about what AI can and cannot do and what government is trying to do through policy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I I I absolutely agree. And and Curtis Jarvin, I mean, we we only touched on him briefly, but he's he's an important he's an important figure to research. If you understand more, say you really trust Elon Musk, you still think that the the whole dark MAGA was just some kind of funny thing that he did. If you think that the Baphomet, you know, chest plate he was wearing in his profile picture for a long time is just a a way of kind of making fun of people.
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Look at Curtis Jarvin. Look at his involvement. Look at what he's doing. Look at some of his his theories on, you know, his political theories, and they're they're frightening. They're very frightening.
1:12:23
So, Aaron, we're we're already past an hour. It's, been quick and fun even talking about such dark things, but there is hope. What is the so daylight freedom, is this the main website you'd that people can come to to follow your work, to learn more about you? Where can people check out what you're doing?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Daylightfreedom.org links to to all of the stuff that we do. My daughter actually asked me. She's like, well, how should I describe what you do? And, yeah, honestly, I don't have a good thumbnail for this, but, you can go to daylightfreedom and see all the different, projects that we're working on.
1:12:54
And then there's there's also day twenty twenty six. If you're interested in obstruction political strategy, you can see what's going on with that. Again, I'm I'm not advocating for a political solution. I'm advocating for using the political solution situation for obstruction. And you a a lot of your audience might be really interested in in this legal case and how I was able to to defeat the state.
1:13:16
Because I I think, you know, I I I know people that have faced family court issues. I know so many people that have gone broke just trying to interact with the, the legal system, and I think this can level the playing field. And I want as many people to find out about it as possible.
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Speaker 1: There you go. So yeah. So that's day 2026, daylightfreedom.org. Also, technocracyatlas. It's the other website that I had up for us.
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So technocracyatlas.com. You can look at your own state. You can look at, you know, country by country. And then also, you mentioned ditchthedollar.com, which is another another one. So well, Aaron, thank you again for for giving us your time.
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Thank you for doing what you're doing. That's why I I really enjoy talking to you because you're actually doing things. You're building tools. You're building websites. You're running for office.
1:14:05
You're challenging things in court. You're not just sitting behind a computer screen complaining on Twitter and just arguing with people. You're actually doing things, and I think it's really commendable. I hope more people can take an example from what you're doing and get more active. Because I I do think that our time is running out to a certain degree, but, also, I I wanna just highlight this one quote you have on your, website here.
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This isn't about left versus right. It's about humanity versus technocracy, the war on free will. I think this is maybe the theme of today's show. Right? It's not left versus right.
1:14:42
It's humanity versus technocracy. And that needs to be the lens that we look at everything through. Whether we're we're judging a politician, looking at a policy, looking at someone on a local level, is that is it pro humanity or pro technocracy? It's a very, very clear distinction.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Well, I thank you for having me on, and I hope we can do it again.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, man. Thank you so much, Aaron. Take care.
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Speaker 2: Take care. Bye.