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Perps Accused in Rape, Death of LSU Coed WALK FREE ON BOND · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Outrage. A teen girl, an LSU student, absolutely stunning with
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Speaker 1: the world before her. It's now dead, but was she
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Speaker 1: raped before her death? I Meanancy Grace. This is crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: and Series X twenty eleven. First of all, take us
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Speaker 1: to our friends. A wa FB, an LSU student, is
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Speaker 1: reportedly on life support in the hospital after she was
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Speaker 1: hit by a car while standing in the middle of
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Speaker 1: Burbank Drive early this morning. Deputies with the East Bannerge
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Speaker 1: pair of Sheriff's Office tell us the grass happened at
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Speaker 1: around three on Burbank Drive near Pelican Lakes Parkway. LSUS
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Speaker 1: Tiger TV says the student is sophomore Madison Brooks, who
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Speaker 1: is a member of the Alpha feast sorority. Deputies are
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Speaker 1: still trying to figure out why Brooks was standing in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the roadway before she was hit by
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Speaker 1: a vehicle or told the driver showed no signs or
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Speaker 1: evidence of being impaired. This investigation is ongoing. If you
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Speaker 1: get any new updates, we'll be sure to pass them
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Speaker 1: along to you. Well, I can tell you why many
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Speaker 1: people believe that she was standing in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the street because she had just been dumped out of
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Speaker 1: a car by a bunch of guys that had sex
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Speaker 1: with her, when she's practically unconscious. Now she's dead. She
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Speaker 1: was on life support, now she loses her life. How
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Speaker 1: badly does one team girl have to be treated before
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Speaker 1: there are formal charges. I'm wondering if charges of felony
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Speaker 1: murder may arise in addition to third degree rate charges
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Speaker 1: currently existing, because we all know that felony murder does
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Speaker 1: not require intent to kill. In other words, if the
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Speaker 1: law believes that this young girl was gang raped by
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Speaker 1: four suspects ranging in age from seventeen to twenty eight,
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Speaker 1: if they raped her when she is unconscious and drunk,
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Speaker 1: and a death occurred during the commission of that and
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Speaker 1: a perceived kidnapping, that is a textbookcase of felony murder.
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Speaker 1: Why did Maddie Brooks have to die? Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to more from our friends at wa FB nine and
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Speaker 1: now a few student has died after being hit by
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Speaker 1: a car while standing in the middle of Burbank Drive.
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Speaker 1: According to the university, sophomore student Madison Brooks died in
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Speaker 1: the hospital. These Maoroue Sheriff's office tells us the crash
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Speaker 1: happened around three am on Burbank Drive near Pelican Lakes Parkway.
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Speaker 1: Brooks was standing in the roadway alone when she was
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Speaker 1: hit by a vehicle. The investigation is ongoing at this
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Speaker 1: time with me and All Star panel to make sense
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Speaker 1: of what we know right now. But I want to
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Speaker 1: go first to high profile criminal defense attorney joining us
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Speaker 1: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, often known as the Queen
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Speaker 1: of Dope. Now I don't know exactly what that means.
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Speaker 1: Renee Rockwell is joining us and you can find her
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Speaker 1: on Facebook at Renee dot Rockwell, who also went to
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Speaker 1: LSU as an undergrad before her a law degree and
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Speaker 1: launching her practice and multiple jurisdictions. And let me also
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Speaker 1: remind everyone that the law in Louisiana is somewhat different.
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Speaker 1: It is a hybrid of what the rest of the
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Speaker 1: country has, because it is a mixture of our jurisprudence
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Speaker 1: abrought here from Great Britain and then Napoleonic Code because
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Speaker 1: as we all know, it was a controlled by the
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Speaker 1: French for a long period of time. Renee Rockwell, before
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Speaker 1: I launched into a discussion of the Napoleonic Code with you,
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Speaker 1: let me just ask you, are you familiar with Burbank
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Speaker 1: Street and or this bar where she allegedly had worked,
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Speaker 1: either serve, probably serving food. It may have had another
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Speaker 1: name them, but right now the bar's named Reggie and
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Speaker 1: Burbank Street where she was mowed down after the alleged
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Speaker 1: sex attacks. Okay, Nancy, so what we're talking about this
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Speaker 1: is an lsu bar, but this is not a bar
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Speaker 1: that's right next to campus. This is in tiger Land.
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Speaker 1: Tiger Land is where a number of kids live. My
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Speaker 1: nephew lives out there. He knew this young lady. These
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Speaker 1: are bars that turnover names. I know this place. I
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Speaker 1: know these bars. I know these kids. I know about
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Speaker 1: underage drinking over there, fake ideas. And let's just talk
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Speaker 1: about her blood alcohol contest point three one nine, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: I know she's not on trial, but can you say
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Speaker 1: lawsuit at Reggie the bar which in the last hours
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Speaker 1: has lost its liquor licenses in the liquor license the
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Speaker 1: law that lost or they shut down the whole Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they shut the whole place down. But you know, Renee,
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Speaker 1: I know you're I almost said antics, but let me
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Speaker 1: just say your methods in the courtroom and you've won
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Speaker 1: a lot of cases at jury trial. But when you
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Speaker 1: say something like the victim's not on trial, but I
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Speaker 1: know something inappropriate or something I don't want to hear,
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Speaker 1: it's about to come out of your mouth, and I
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Speaker 1: want to follow up on you says she's got point
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Speaker 1: three to nine blood alcohol. But you know what, I
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Speaker 1: don't mind that you said that, because that supports my
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Speaker 1: theory that anybody that and I'm putting this in air
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Speaker 1: quotas for the you that can only hear my voice,
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Speaker 1: anybody that quote had sex at point three nine could
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Speaker 1: not give consent. And if you can, I give consent
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Speaker 1: to consensual sex, then rape case closed. Bam. Now if
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Speaker 1: that's to me, Nancy, I can tell you that I
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Speaker 1: have read some of the transcripts about these young men
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Speaker 1: that have appeared before the judge, and some of them
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Speaker 1: are taking the position that she was well enough and
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Speaker 1: alert enough to consent. I will tell you though, Oh,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure they are. Like every other rape descendant, they
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Speaker 1: all say number one, I've never seen her in my life.
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Speaker 1: That didn't happen. And you say, well, there's video surveillance
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Speaker 1: of you with her at the bar. Oh was that her? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: That girl came and sat by me at the bar. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I guess I did know her face, and sir, you
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Speaker 1: were seen by three witnesses leaving the bar with her. Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know what now that you mentioned that I was
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Speaker 1: going to walk her her car because I'm a gentleman,
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Speaker 1: and your DNA is found in and on her body?
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Speaker 1: Was that that girl that was totally consensual? Yeah? I
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Speaker 1: know what's coming next. I know you're played. No, not
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Speaker 1: only the DNA, not only the DNA, but there's some
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Speaker 1: video I here that there may have been a video
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Speaker 1: of the sexual encounter. Just putting it out here. Did
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Speaker 1: you just say sex encounter? There may may have been
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Speaker 1: video of the quote sexual encounter, which, let me just
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Speaker 1: go to Jen Smith before I just reached through the
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Speaker 1: camera and grab Renee Rockwell. Jen Smith is joining me.
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Speaker 1: Jen Smith is the chief reporter for dailymail dot com.
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Speaker 1: Jen Smith, you guys were the first ones I believe
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Speaker 1: to report that Reggie's Bar has been closed down, had
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Speaker 1: its liqualized that suspended by Louisiana authorities. Hey, Louisiana day
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Speaker 1: late dollars short because this young girl, Maddie is dead.
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Speaker 1: Jen Smith, what am I hearing about? A potential video
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Speaker 1: of the Azerna Rockwell, aka the Queen of Dope, calls
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Speaker 1: it the sexual encounter. Yeah, I mean, it's a pretty
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Speaker 1: disturbing detail. But Nancy, this video is what these defendants
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Speaker 1: claim will actually exonerate them. Now, Renee pointed out that
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Speaker 1: they're saying this was consensual, as you rightly say, many
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Speaker 1: rate defendants are going to default to that when they
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Speaker 1: face these charges. But what's unusual in this case is
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Speaker 1: not only do they say that she gave consent and
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Speaker 1: that she participated in the sex act, that they have
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Speaker 1: a video of it, which they say will prove that
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Speaker 1: she was able to give consent. Now, of course, this
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Speaker 1: video could work in their favor or very much against it.
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Speaker 1: It depends what it shows. Obviously we've not seen it yet.
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Speaker 1: It's something that many people, especially your jury, are going
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Speaker 1: to insist on if this case moves forward. Time Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, Ja Smith with me, chief reporter with
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Speaker 1: Dailymail dot Com. Jen, could you just outline for our
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Speaker 1: viewers and listeners that are not familiar with Mattie's case
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Speaker 1: what we believe to have happened that night without me
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Speaker 1: claiming that I believe that should be felony murder charges
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Speaker 1: and without missus Rockwell claiming that it was all consensual
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Speaker 1: and it was really nobody's fault but the victims, yeah, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: So these are the facts as we know them. January fifteenth,
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Speaker 1: Madison Brooks, a nineteen year old sophomore at LSU, goes
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Speaker 1: to Reggie's Bar in Tiger Line. She's been there many
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Speaker 1: times before with her friends. We see her entering the
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Speaker 1: bar on surveillance footage at her own ten PM. Inside
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Speaker 1: the bar, she meets four young men, some of them
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Speaker 1: well one of them at least is under the age
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Speaker 1: of eighteen. Oh, the unnamed minor under eighteen Whoopsie Reggie's
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Speaker 1: go ahead right. So over the next four hours inside
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Speaker 1: the bar, Maddie is drinking, these four young men are
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Speaker 1: also drinking. Now it gets to around one fifty am.
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Speaker 1: By this point, Maddie is drunk. She's been seen falling
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Speaker 1: inside the bar, falling outside the bar, but she and
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Speaker 1: these four men decide to leave the bar. They walk
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Speaker 1: to a vehicle that's being driven by Cason Carver. He
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Speaker 1: is one of these co defendants. They leave Reggie's. They
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Speaker 1: drive a short distance where they pull over. Now over
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Speaker 1: the course of the next hour. Let's say we don't
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Speaker 1: have the exact timeline yet. Maddie, we know from the
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Speaker 1: interviews that these men gave is either raped or has
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Speaker 1: consensual sex with two of these young men. They take turns.
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Speaker 1: One gets out of the vehicle while the other has
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Speaker 1: sex with her or rates her. Then they swap over. Now,
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Speaker 1: while this happens, Cason Carver the driver, and the oldest defendant,
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Speaker 1: his name is ever At Lee. They're in the two
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Speaker 1: front seats of this vehicle. Now. Eventually, at two fifty
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Speaker 1: am approximately, the driver, Casin tells this is according to
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Speaker 1: his interview with police. He says, we've got to cut
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Speaker 1: this out. It's time to go. I'm taking her home.
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Speaker 1: Maddie can't remember her address again. According to these young men,
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Speaker 1: she insists on getting out of the car. That's what
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Speaker 1: they say. So they drop her off on a subsection.
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Speaker 1: She gets out the vehicle, and she is then hit
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Speaker 1: by a different car and she later dies in the hospital.
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Speaker 1: Those are the facts as we have them right now.
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Speaker 1: And the fact, obviously why we're all here is that
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Speaker 1: these four men have been charged in this case, two
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Speaker 1: of them with third degree rape. The other two the
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Speaker 1: two who were in the front seat of the vehicle.
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Speaker 1: They have been charged with principle to third degree rape,
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Speaker 1: which means that they were present for the alleged crime,
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Speaker 1: but they did nothing to stop it. The four men
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Speaker 1: are in custody now. They have had their bonds set
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Speaker 1: the highest at one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. The
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Speaker 1: lesser crimes, the bond has been said at seventy five
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars, and we are waiting for them to go
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Speaker 1: before a judge. But the question is, as you pointed
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Speaker 1: out the top of the show, was Madison Brooks raped
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Speaker 1: before she died? And did any of these events that
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Speaker 1: led up to her death cause it? Nancy, I can't
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Speaker 1: take it anymore. I gotta jump in here, you know,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCallum, I was about to say, before I go
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Speaker 1: to Cheryl McCallum, I just want to pose a question
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Speaker 1: to Renee Rockwell. So, Renee, you would have me believe,
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Speaker 1: as a veteran criminal defense attorney that this young teen
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Speaker 1: girl who was seen falling down drunk and the bar
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Speaker 1: leaves with four guys reportedly met in the bar, reminds
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Speaker 1: me so much of Jorn Vanderslute gets in the car
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Speaker 1: and that she willingly consents to pulling a train, in
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Speaker 1: other words, having sex with not one but two guys
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Speaker 1: in the backseat of a car while two guys are
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Speaker 1: up front watching and videoing her, including and correct me
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Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, Jen Smith, anal sex. That would be
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Speaker 1: your defense, Renee Rockwell, I am telling you where these
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Speaker 1: defense attorneys are going, Nancy, just telling you where they're going.
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Speaker 1: That one of them has already said, well, you know,
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Speaker 1: of course she consented, and the other ones are going
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Speaker 1: to provide video to say that she participated. Uh huh, Okay.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum is joining me now, forensic expert and founder
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Speaker 1: of the Coal Case Research Institute, and today I don't
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Speaker 1: want to kill the messenger, which is you, and I
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Speaker 1: guess Cheryl McCollum at Coldcase Crimes dot org and star
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Speaker 1: of a new hit podcast, Zone seven, which I have
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Speaker 1: yet to be invited to. But that's the whole other
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Speaker 1: can of worms. Cheryl McCollum. You heard what Renee Rockwell said,
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Speaker 1: and I guess it's better to know what the defense
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Speaker 1: is going to be. Of course, you need to know
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Speaker 1: what the other side is going to do so you
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Speaker 1: can defeat it before they even get a chance to
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Speaker 1: bring it up in front of the jury. So, okay,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, help me out. Bottom line, she could not walk,
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Speaker 1: she could not speak clearly, she had to be helped
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Speaker 1: to the car. She was that intoxicated she could not consent.
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Speaker 1: Period number two. The autopsy is going to show injury
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Speaker 1: consistent with sexual assault. And what do you mean by that.
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Speaker 1: She's going to have injury to the you know, vaginal area,
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Speaker 1: possibly the anal area. There could be tearing, there could
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Speaker 1: be abrasions, there could be lacerations, she could have bruising
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Speaker 1: from fingertips where she was being held in position. Again,
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Speaker 1: the doctor notated, the pathologists notated that she had injury
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Speaker 1: consistent with sexual assault. That is going to be something
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Speaker 1: that they're not going to be able to overcome. And
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Speaker 1: I also want to point out that we had a
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Speaker 1: case in South Georgia where somebody thought videotaping a murder
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Speaker 1: was going to absolve him. It actually helped solidify the
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Speaker 1: fact that a young man jogging near jack Al Island
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Speaker 1: was murdered. So the videotape I do not believe is
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Speaker 1: going to help them. I believe it's going to show
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Speaker 1: a girl that is clearly too intoxicated to know what
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Speaker 1: she is even doing in that car, much less consenting
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Speaker 1: to something consensual. Well, I guess if bruises are found
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Speaker 1: on her body where she was at could have been
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Speaker 1: held down, or there was the vaginal or anal tearing.
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Speaker 1: The next defense, and I might even give this idea
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Speaker 1: to Rene, because she's probably already had it will be
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Speaker 1: the Robert Chambers preppy killer defense. We had rough sex,
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Speaker 1: it was that was consensual too. And can you believe
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Speaker 1: somebody actually believes that, Nancy? This is doc you know
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Speaker 1: we can tell through a lot. Is this doctor Michelle Dupree,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle Dupree, you were the next person I'm going to,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle Duprie, let me do the honor of introducing you.
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Speaker 1: In addition to Jen Smith, Cheryl McCollum, and Renee Rockwell
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Speaker 1: joining me, doctor Mendy B. Mechanic, professor's Psychology, California State,
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Speaker 1: doctor Monte Miller, expert at Forensic DNA at Forensic DNA
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Speaker 1: Experts dot com. And doctor Michelle Dupree, pathologist, medical examiner,
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Speaker 1: former detective and author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide. Okay,
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Speaker 1: doctor dupree way, Okay, So during the autopsy, we can
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Speaker 1: generally tell if it was rough sex or sex bike consent,
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Speaker 1: or if it was actually forced right. And the reason
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Speaker 1: we tell it is the injuries. But it's the location
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Speaker 1: of the injuries that is the most important. And you know,
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Speaker 1: when we look at the clock of a face, injuries
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Speaker 1: at six o'clock typically are those of forced right, and
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Speaker 1: those others are could be you know, consensual rough sex.
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Speaker 1: Why is that? It's because anatomically our bodies, the way
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Speaker 1: that they're shaped and the way that we will struggle,
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Speaker 1: if you will, when it is forced right, that is
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Speaker 1: the position that the injuries typically occur. Understood. I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out what we really know about the autopsy
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Speaker 1: report by the medical examiner. Jen Smiths joining me dailymail
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Speaker 1: dot com chief reporter. What do we know, Well, we
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Speaker 1: know not a huge amount. We only know what ended
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Speaker 1: as to Affidavid and I'll read from it right now, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: for the benefit of your readers and your listeners, for
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Speaker 1: all of our readers and listeners. It says, during the autopsy,
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Speaker 1: the pathologist reported that the victim had injuries consistent with
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Speaker 1: previous sexual assault. Anally, the other thing that's really interesting
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Speaker 1: that came as a result of the autopsy was that
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Speaker 1: she tested positive as well for t C. Now that's
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Speaker 1: one of the most toxic keeping elements of cannabis. So
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Speaker 1: not only had Maddie been drinking excessively, she also had
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Speaker 1: cannabis in her system. This decision compromising drug, which I
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Speaker 1: think is another really important detail. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut for our friends from WAFB. I'm told deputies
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Speaker 1: have known about this rape angle to the case almost
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Speaker 1: from the start and have been conducting multiple interviews before
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Speaker 1: making the arrest that happened late today, lesson one day
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Speaker 1: after a vigil was held to honor the memory of
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Speaker 1: LSU sophomore Madison Brooks of the LSU Lakes Deputies have
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Speaker 1: arrested four men who they say we're seen leaving with
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Speaker 1: Madison Brooks in a vehicle from Reggie's Bar in Tiger Land.
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Speaker 1: Investigators will leave two of the men raped Madison Brooks
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Speaker 1: before they dropped her off near that scene on Burbank
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Speaker 1: Drive near Pelican Lakes Parkway at around three in the morning,
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Speaker 1: where she was later hit by a car driven by
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Speaker 1: a ride share driver. This would not be the first
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Speaker 1: time an alleged rapist got off. Scott gets off Scott
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Speaker 1: free because the victim may have been intoxicated. Takes an
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Speaker 1: hour cut nineteen. I'm talking about the infamous Brock Turner case.
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Speaker 1: These are our friends from NBC. With a hard push
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Speaker 1: of the jailhouse tour, Brock. Former Stanford swimmer Brock Turner
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Speaker 1: was met by a crush of cameras. Are you thinking
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Speaker 1: about he spent only ninety days in jail for sexual assaults?
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Speaker 1: Are you no call? Drive? NBC News was given exclusive
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Speaker 1: access to evidence in Turner's case. File pictures show him
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Speaker 1: with a torn shirt hours after he was tackled by
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Speaker 1: students who saw him on top of an unconscious female
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Speaker 1: behind a dumpster on Stanford's campus. Interrogation tapes taken after
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Speaker 1: his arrest showed a calm Turner responding to questions from
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Speaker 1: a detective, saying, my intentions were not to try and
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Speaker 1: rape a girl without her consent. I was just trying
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Speaker 1: to hook up with a girl. When pressing Turner about
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Speaker 1: the victim, the detective asks, if you saw her again,
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Speaker 1: would you recognize her? Turner responds, probably not right. Turner's
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Speaker 1: right victim was assaulted outside of a fraternity house by
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Speaker 1: the dumpster on the ground and the dirt and the
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Speaker 1: pine straw, and the rate was only stopped when some
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Speaker 1: other college guys walked by and saw what was happening,
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Speaker 1: and the defense there was consent to doctor Mindy beat
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Speaker 1: Mechanic joining US Professor's Psychology Emeritus, California State University, Fullerton,
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Speaker 1: You know, doctor Mandy Mechanic. It seems as if any
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Speaker 1: rapists get off scott free or a slap on the wrist,
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Speaker 1: if the right victim has been drinking. What is that phenomena? Well,
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Speaker 1: I think it also depends on whether or not there's
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Speaker 1: any corroborating evidence or like, in this case, at least
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Speaker 1: we do have a BAC, But oftentimes in these cases
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Speaker 1: there is no BAC. Victim hasn't gone to the hospital
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Speaker 1: right away, and you may or may not have other
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Speaker 1: people that can provide statements about her level of intoxication,
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Speaker 1: at least behaviorally. In this case, you have people saying,
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Speaker 1: excuse me, that they witnessed her falling down drunk, they
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Speaker 1: witnessed her learning her speech. So it's helpful to be
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Speaker 1: able to say we've got at least some behavioral evidence
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Speaker 1: and we've got the BAC to be able to estimate
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Speaker 1: what her level of impairment might have been. You know,
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Speaker 1: at a point was its point three one nine point
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Speaker 1: three two. That's a pretty significant BAC where a person's
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Speaker 1: ability to engage in deliberation, decision making, all of that
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Speaker 1: is significantly impaired. My question was why our male rapists
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Speaker 1: let off the hook or get a light sentence when
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Speaker 1: the rape victim has been drinking. That is the question. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so well it first goes to conviction, right, So that's
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Speaker 1: why I was talking about the behavioral stuff. And if
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Speaker 1: you don't have that, it's harder to make a conviction.
22:33
Speaker 1: And then if there is a conviction to sentencing, I
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Speaker 1: don't know in sense of data, like the Brock Turner situation,
22:40
Speaker 1: was that an anomaly in terms of sentencing? That certainly
22:43
Speaker 1: got all our attention. Now it was not an anomaly
22:46
Speaker 1: at all. As a matter of fact, I can listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut twenty In this case, I'm talking about
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Speaker 1: another rapist to get to slap on the wrist Bowen Turner.
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Speaker 1: Listen our friends at WCSC. The father of Dallas Dollar
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Speaker 1: says in twenty eighteen his daughter was the president of
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Speaker 1: her senior class, Smart and outgoing, a friend almost everyone
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Speaker 1: she met that was just her. She had a huge heart.
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Speaker 1: One night, Dallas came home from a party intoxicated, distraught,
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Speaker 1: and covered in these bruises, saying she had been sexually assaulted.
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Speaker 1: It was very upsetting, obviously in disheartening, and I might
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Speaker 1: use the word tragic. Once we found out who the
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Speaker 1: alleged individual was. Dallas's family says they later pressed charges
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Speaker 1: against her classmate, sixteen year old Bowen Turner. Public record
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Speaker 1: show he was arrested and charged with first degree criminal
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Speaker 1: sexual conduct in Bamberg County in January of twenty nineteen.
23:46
Speaker 1: Turner was released on bond, but was required to wear
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Speaker 1: a GPS monitor. A few months later, a judge allowed
23:52
Speaker 1: him to remove it, released on bond with an ankle
23:55
Speaker 1: monitor that he was then allowed to remove. But that's
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Speaker 1: not the end of Bowen Turner and the rape of
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Speaker 1: Dallas stallar Takeola star Cut twenty one. But less than
24:06
Speaker 1: five months after that first arrest, while he was still
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Speaker 1: out on bond, cored documents show Turner was arrested again.
24:13
Speaker 1: He was slapped with that same charge, first degree criminal
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Speaker 1: sexual conduct, and affidavit reveals the arrest also stems from
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Speaker 1: a party, this time in Orangeburg County. The victim was
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Speaker 1: not named because she was a miner at the time,
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Speaker 1: but Chloe Bess says she was the one sexually assaulted
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Speaker 1: by Turner in June of twenty nineteen when she was sixteen.
24:32
Speaker 1: I just remember being like so petrified, like I was frozen.
24:36
Speaker 1: I honestly just remember sitting there looking at the stars,
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Speaker 1: just like praying for it to be done, just praying
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Speaker 1: for it to be done. Light sentences out on bond,
24:46
Speaker 1: no ankle monitor, just another I've got stacks of examples
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Speaker 1: where the woman, the girl, teen victim has been drinking.
24:57
Speaker 1: It's like nothing happened to Doctor Monte Miller, director on
25:02
Speaker 1: Forensic DNA Experts specializing in sex assaults and murders. You
25:07
Speaker 1: can find doctor Miller at Forensic DNA Experts dot com.
25:11
Speaker 1: Worked for a long time as forensic scientists for the
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Speaker 1: Texas Department of Public Safety. Doctor Miller, I have great,
25:19
Speaker 1: great respect for all the scientists at every state crime
25:24
Speaker 1: lab facility. You have a crush of work, too many
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Speaker 1: cases to even get to, and you learn the hard way.
25:33
Speaker 1: You learn with a crush of cases about everything in
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Speaker 1: the book, the book that could be thrown at you.
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Speaker 1: It's like learning in the trenches, Doctor Monte Miller. How
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Speaker 1: do we know that there were just two alleged rapists,
25:51
Speaker 1: not for and how do you differentiate between the victim
25:55
Speaker 1: and potentially two perpetrators DNA? Well, as long as we
25:58
Speaker 1: have everybody's DNA, they'll be able to match it up
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Speaker 1: to whatever's found. You know, maybe one of them raped
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Speaker 1: her vaginally and one of them raped her anally. Okay,
26:08
Speaker 1: hold on right there, just a second, doctor Miller. Again,
26:11
Speaker 1: I don't want to kill the messenger, but has anybody
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Speaker 1: seen this girl, Mandy Brooks. She's just I mean, I've
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Speaker 1: seen her in a cheerleading out that, I've seen her
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Speaker 1: dressed up for some kind of a shin dig with
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Speaker 1: her mom. I've seen pictures of her, you know, at school,
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Speaker 1: and she is so precious and so full of life.
26:34
Speaker 1: And I to hear it thrown her out around. Well,
26:38
Speaker 1: maybe one raped her vaginally, maybe one raped her anally.
26:41
Speaker 1: He just struck me. We are talking about a young girl. Yeah,
26:46
Speaker 1: Renee Cheryl, this girl is only four years older, did
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Speaker 1: Lucy I know? Nancy? Can I say one thing? Can
26:57
Speaker 1: I stop you, well, you're gonna tap me. You're just
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Speaker 1: new my mind. Well, yeah, but I want to I
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Speaker 1: want to throw something in because she's in. This is
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Speaker 1: what happens. She's beautiful, she's smart, she's sweet, and you
27:09
Speaker 1: know what, she's dead. And let me tell you what
27:12
Speaker 1: the difference makes here. A lot of right cases, Nancy,
27:16
Speaker 1: you get a slap on the risk because the victim
27:18
Speaker 1: does not want to participate, not in this case, because
27:22
Speaker 1: she's not with us any longer. So they're going to
27:24
Speaker 1: go full force against these gods. Doctor Montey Miller, I'm sorry,
27:28
Speaker 1: I'm veered off when I was thinking about my little girl. No,
27:31
Speaker 1: it's it's awful and we should stop to think about it.
27:35
Speaker 1: We should stop to think about it, doctor Miller. How
27:38
Speaker 1: are we going to do this thing with the DNA? Well,
27:40
Speaker 1: they'll have everybody's DNA, which which you know, everybody has
27:44
Speaker 1: their known DNA which they'll be able to take, you know,
27:46
Speaker 1: from their blood or their mouth, and so comparing it
27:50
Speaker 1: will be a lot easier in a case like this
27:53
Speaker 1: where the suspects are known, rather than trying to find
27:55
Speaker 1: the suspects. So everybody's DNA is so unique, even if
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Speaker 1: it's mixed together or it's separate. The statistics will be
28:04
Speaker 1: so high that they'll be able to tell who raped
28:07
Speaker 1: her and where, because the bodily processes will have stopped
28:11
Speaker 1: when she died, so it's not like this went on
28:14
Speaker 1: for you know, three days before she notified the police
28:19
Speaker 1: or anything like that. They got her body, They got
28:21
Speaker 1: it shortly after all of this happened. They did an autopsy,
28:24
Speaker 1: so they'll collect samples shortly afterwards. She hasn't taken a
28:29
Speaker 1: shower or any of those other things that people oftentimes do,
28:34
Speaker 1: so the evidence will still be there. They'll be able
28:37
Speaker 1: to compare it to all of the individuals, and they'll
28:39
Speaker 1: be able to verify probably the things that we see
28:44
Speaker 1: on that tape. Well earlier, Jen Smith, tourning medeimail dot
28:48
Speaker 1: com chief reporter, I believe it was hernee could have been.
28:51
Speaker 1: Cheryl mentioned there's going to be a big fat lawsuit
28:53
Speaker 1: against Reggie's Bar as it's currently named, because they have
28:57
Speaker 1: a long history climbs, attacks, incidents in the bar and
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Speaker 1: in the parking lot. Is that true? Yeah, it is true, Lancy.
29:07
Speaker 1: Like you pointed out, there is a disturbing history of
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Speaker 1: incidents in this bar. As you mentioned before, someone was
29:14
Speaker 1: once stabbed behind the bar. We've heard reports of someone
29:17
Speaker 1: else being shot in this bar. And let me just
29:20
Speaker 1: talk about the bar's social media presence. They've seen pretty
29:24
Speaker 1: horrifying videos of just what goes on in this bar.
29:27
Speaker 1: We're talking about kids jumping behind the bar, being thrown
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Speaker 1: behind the bar, drinking straight from the bottle. It's clear
29:34
Speaker 1: that no one was really following the rules in there. Now,
29:37
Speaker 1: when it comes to criminal culpability or even civil culpability,
29:41
Speaker 1: that might be a different matter. We have heard from
29:43
Speaker 1: an attorney representing the bar they've now lost their liquor license.
29:48
Speaker 1: This attorney says that the bar owner, who's not yet
29:51
Speaker 1: been named, I think it'll only be a matter of
29:53
Speaker 1: time before they are But they are cooperating with the investigation.
29:56
Speaker 1: You know, there are climbs that they, as some of
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Speaker 1: our guests like to call it sex encounter was consensual,
30:05
Speaker 1: But I don't think that's gonna work. Taken us now
30:08
Speaker 1: or cut six our friends from WAFB. And this is
30:11
Speaker 1: why arrest documents revealed that Brooks allegedly consented, but that
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Speaker 1: Carver says he personally thought she was too drunk to
30:17
Speaker 1: know what she was doing. Third degree rape usually involves
30:20
Speaker 1: a case where a person is too intoxicated to consent.
30:24
Speaker 1: LSU's president, William Tate, released a statement saying, in part quote,
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Speaker 1: by all accounts, she was an amazing young woman with
30:30
Speaker 1: limitless potential. She should not have been taken from us
30:33
Speaker 1: in this way. What happened to her was evil in
30:35
Speaker 1: our legal system will parcel out justice. So what do
30:39
Speaker 1: you do with that? Retnee Rockwell, veteran defense attorney. You've
30:43
Speaker 1: got one of the defendants, eighteen year old case in
30:45
Speaker 1: Carver stating that the victim was too intoxicated to consent.
30:53
Speaker 1: Carver says he personally thought she was too drunk to
30:56
Speaker 1: know what she was doing. For Pete's sake, she was
30:58
Speaker 1: so drunk she didn't even know her home address. And
31:01
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Nancy, this is what happened.
31:04
Speaker 1: You have four defendants, and somebody's going to make a
31:07
Speaker 1: deal intensifying maybe three against one who knows. But you know,
31:12
Speaker 1: I go, there's not going to be a trial against
31:14
Speaker 1: all four young men. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. If
31:31
Speaker 1: I was trying the case, which I'm sure that prosecutor
31:34
Speaker 1: doesn't want to hear about, I would put them all
31:37
Speaker 1: on trial, because I've done it both ways. Take a
31:39
Speaker 1: play with a few in exchange for testimony against the
31:43
Speaker 1: main bad actors. No, I've decided the best way to go.
31:47
Speaker 1: Put them all in the same pot and let them
31:52
Speaker 1: stew together, and then we'll see what happens once they
31:56
Speaker 1: get on the stand. But yeah, if it does work
31:59
Speaker 1: out the way that you see yet, I could see
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Speaker 1: Everett Lee, the twenty eight year old, and the seventeen
32:04
Speaker 1: year old unnamed minor turning state's evidence because the others, wait,
32:10
Speaker 1: hold on, let me get these charges straight. The seventeen
32:12
Speaker 1: year old minor is charged with rate and Lee is
32:16
Speaker 1: charged with accomplice. Carver's charged with accomplice. I could see
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Speaker 1: Carver and Lee, who are charged with accomplice, turning state
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Speaker 1: sevens against the two they're charged with the actual rate.
32:28
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying You think it's going to happen,
32:30
Speaker 1: Renee Rockwell, exactly, it happens all the time. Nancy and
32:34
Speaker 1: the defense attorneys are going to grunt to the prostitute
32:36
Speaker 1: and say, hey, look, please don't put me through this.
32:39
Speaker 1: I'm willing to give you a B and C. Another
32:41
Speaker 1: issue is how they got to the video. Was the
32:45
Speaker 1: video procured legally? Did they get into the phone without
32:49
Speaker 1: search warrant? Those are issues that will be explored on FOM.
32:53
Speaker 1: I think one of the defendants handed it over thinking
32:55
Speaker 1: it would exonerate them, Is that right, Jim Smith? Yeah,
32:58
Speaker 1: that's correct. The attorneys or at least two of the defendants,
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Speaker 1: we don't know which yet, but it's definitely not Case
33:04
Speaker 1: and Carver. So the attorney representing lately keep On Washington
33:08
Speaker 1: and maybe his uncle Everett Lee. He's claiming that this
33:11
Speaker 1: video will prove that Mighty not only was she able
33:13
Speaker 1: to give consent but overply. Yeah. You know, the constitution
33:17
Speaker 1: protects you from the state violating your rights or looking
33:21
Speaker 1: at your phone videos without consent. It does not protect
33:25
Speaker 1: you from your idgit codefendant that hands it over and
33:31
Speaker 1: gets you in hot water. Cheryl mccollough', a forensic expert,
33:34
Speaker 1: founder director of the Cold Case Research Institute, jump in, Cheryl,
33:38
Speaker 1: there are layers to this thing. The first thing, we
33:41
Speaker 1: have a video that I think is going to be
33:43
Speaker 1: a money tree. Second, we have injury to this victim
33:47
Speaker 1: indicative of sexual assault. And third, they just dump her
33:52
Speaker 1: at three o'clock in the morning. In some random subdivision.
33:56
Speaker 1: So again, you've got four people. This crime started long
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Speaker 1: before they left that bar. You've got an adult that
34:05
Speaker 1: takes three miners into a bar where they're drinking. That
34:08
Speaker 1: adult allows the youngest to walk the victim out, hugging her,
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Speaker 1: supporting her, getting her in the car. He sits while
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Speaker 1: two people sexually assault her. His own words, say we
34:21
Speaker 1: have to stop this. Stop what that doesn't sound like
34:25
Speaker 1: you think it's consensual. So I'm just telling you the
34:28
Speaker 1: layers of this thing, when it started, how they all
34:31
Speaker 1: got together. We're looking at pre and post behavior. What
34:34
Speaker 1: law enforcement is going to do is look at the video,
34:37
Speaker 1: text messages, and calls between these folks, plus their social
34:41
Speaker 1: media the days before, during the crime, and after. Nancy
34:46
Speaker 1: the driver has to worry about the liability of letting
34:49
Speaker 1: her out and intoxicated. I'll tell you what, I'd be
34:53
Speaker 1: a lot less worried about them taking my bank account.
34:56
Speaker 1: Then I would be about spending the next twenty behind
34:59
Speaker 1: bars on a conflics to rape, a potential felony murder.
35:04
Speaker 1: You know, speaking of felony murder, I think this is
35:08
Speaker 1: entirely an appropriate case for a felony murder charge. Because
35:13
Speaker 1: if this girl was raped and she was moved even
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Speaker 1: one inch against her will, one inch or less, there
35:24
Speaker 1: is no degree of asportation, which is movement under the
35:28
Speaker 1: law required for a kidnapping charge. If she did not
35:32
Speaker 1: want to be raped and they put her in the
35:34
Speaker 1: back seat and will let her out, that is a
35:37
Speaker 1: felony kidnap. And if a death occurred during a felony,
35:43
Speaker 1: that is a felony murder. Renee Rockwell, it is nan
35:48
Speaker 1: But the point I was trying to make it, I
35:50
Speaker 1: bet you were. Whether or not the driver gets out
35:53
Speaker 1: of the race, he's still responsible for letting an intoxicated
35:57
Speaker 1: girl out of the car. That's what I was talking about.
36:01
Speaker 1: He had the last chance to save her life. And
36:03
Speaker 1: doctor Michel du Free tell me again in a nutshell,
36:06
Speaker 1: how can you look at the body and tell me
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Speaker 1: if this was a rape or a consensual sex encounter?
36:15
Speaker 1: And Nancy, we look at the injuries, and we look
36:18
Speaker 1: at the location of those injuries, and we know just anatomically,
36:22
Speaker 1: when there is a struggle, those injuries are going to
36:25
Speaker 1: appear in certain places, particularly at the six o'clock position
36:29
Speaker 1: of the point of entry. And so that's one of
36:31
Speaker 1: the ways we tell we also look for bruising on
36:33
Speaker 1: the inside of the five and we look for any
36:35
Speaker 1: type of defense Winds and doctor Monte Miller, Forensic DNA
36:39
Speaker 1: Experts dot com. You're telling me we can separate the
36:43
Speaker 1: DNA and determine how many people had sex slash raped
36:48
Speaker 1: her that night. Correct, Well, we can't always separate the DNA,
36:52
Speaker 1: but we can compare them even though we combine the DNA.
36:56
Speaker 1: It just so unlikely because we can take her DNA
36:59
Speaker 1: and separate that out. You know, if it came directly
37:01
Speaker 1: from her body, we can say, okay, that DNA we
37:04
Speaker 1: know came from her, and we can say what's foreign
37:07
Speaker 1: to her here, and statistically we can determine if if
37:11
Speaker 1: there's one for one extra person, we can tell who
37:15
Speaker 1: it is. If it's two people, we can tell that.
37:17
Speaker 1: You know, it's almost certain to be these two people,
37:20
Speaker 1: and under the circumstances, nobody would believe that it wasn't.
37:23
Speaker 1: Jen Smith, Dailymail dot com. What is next for these four, Well,
37:27
Speaker 1: we're going to have to watch as they move through
37:29
Speaker 1: the court process. Like you pointed out, it's very possible
37:32
Speaker 1: that at least two of them might try and cut
37:34
Speaker 1: a deal to save their own skin, and we have
37:37
Speaker 1: this very problematic statement by case and Carver, the driver
37:41
Speaker 1: Pete states in very clear terms that he did not
37:43
Speaker 1: think she was able to consent. So it's a court process.
37:47
Speaker 1: We are still waiting to hear from Mattie's family. That
37:51
Speaker 1: obviously is going to be a huge moment, and I
37:55
Speaker 1: think they should be hard from We should hear what
37:58
Speaker 1: they want to happen in this case. You know, personally,
38:01
Speaker 1: I'd like to hear from the families of these young
38:03
Speaker 1: men too. What do they have to say about this? Well,
38:05
Speaker 1: I can tell you what they're gonna say. They're gonna say,
38:07
Speaker 1: my boy would never do that. And I've got a
38:11
Speaker 1: pretty good idea what Maddie's family is going to say,
38:13
Speaker 1: but I'll let them speak for themselves. I can tell
38:15
Speaker 1: you one thing that I think is going to happen,
38:17
Speaker 1: and that is a seventeen year old unnamed minor is
38:20
Speaker 1: not going to remain unnamed for long because he is
38:23
Speaker 1: old enough to be bound over to Felony Superior Court
38:27
Speaker 1: and treated as an adult. Rape is one of the
38:31
Speaker 1: seven deadly sins, including accomplice too. That means he will
38:35
Speaker 1: be treated as an adult. Why that hasn't already happened,
38:38
Speaker 1: don't know. I assume the Napoleonic Code has something to
38:41
Speaker 1: do with it. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: comes Tooy, signing off goodbye friend.