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D4VD - Abortion, Plan B, Chainsaws and a Blue Kiddie Pool: Court Docs · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace star musician, multi millionaire D
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Speaker 1: four VD aka David Anthony Burke, according to documents that
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Speaker 1: we have received from the District Attorney's office, stood by
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Speaker 1: and watched while celested thirteen year old schoolgirl Celeste bled
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Speaker 1: in a kittie pool that he ordered from Amazon Repeat.
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Speaker 1: According to these documents, the musician D four VD stands
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Speaker 1: by and watches this little girl bleed in a kiddie
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Speaker 1: pool he gets on Amazon that he hides down in
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Speaker 1: his basement. Can anybody say death penalty? Because I can
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Speaker 1: the people's brief regarding preliminary hearing evidence, and it is
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Speaker 1: full of the most incentive facts I can think of.
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Speaker 1: Correction to me, you, Dave mac Crime Story's investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: I said, thirteen. But isn't it true that this document
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Speaker 1: reveals David Anthony Burke lured this little girl at age eleven?
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Speaker 1: Eleven years old?
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Speaker 2: That's exactly right, Nancy eleven years old documented that's the
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Speaker 2: first time David Anthony Burke Matt Celes reevas.
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Speaker 1: And isn't it true, Dave Mack. I'm looking through the
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Speaker 1: preliminary hearing brief, we find out that D four VD
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Speaker 1: David Anthony Burke, the multi millionaire, went to the effort
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Speaker 1: to go to the school playground, the school, the elementary school,
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Speaker 1: and pays another kid one thousand dollars to give Celeste
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Speaker 1: us a secret cell phone so they can send naughty
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Speaker 1: pictures to each other. Isn't that true? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Because that's exactly true, Nancy, because Celeste family they found
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Speaker 2: out what was going on and took away her cell phone.
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Speaker 2: They found Burke's number in her personal cell phone and
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Speaker 2: they said no, and they took away her cell phone.
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Speaker 2: Burke found out a sneaky way paid one of her
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Speaker 2: child friends to one thousand dollars. You think about a
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Speaker 2: kid getting one thousand dollars to give her a secret
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Speaker 2: cell phone?
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Speaker 1: Cool? But what is so upsetting? It's all upsetting. But
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Speaker 1: joining me now is a special guest, Doctor Kendall Crowns.
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Speaker 1: He is the Chief Medical Examiner Ran County. He is
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Speaker 1: the host of a hit podcast, Mayhem and the Morgue.
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Speaker 1: He is the esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of
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Speaker 1: Medicine at TCU. I can go on and on and on.
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Speaker 1: Let me just stop with Chief Medical Examiner Terrence County.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns. How long does it take for a human,
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Speaker 1: much less a child, a little girl to bleed out exanguinate?
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Speaker 3: So it depends on what's cut. If you get your
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Speaker 3: croted's your jugglars cut in your neck, you're going to
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Speaker 3: bleed out in a matter of under a minute or so.
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Speaker 3: If your heart's stabbed, you're going to bleed out, and
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Speaker 3: again under a minut or so. But in the information
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Speaker 3: that we have, she's stabbed in the abdomen, in the chest,
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Speaker 3: one wound going into her liver. The liver is a
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Speaker 3: very vascular organ. She's going to bleed internally into her
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Speaker 3: abdominal cavity. You'll probably die in under ten minutes from
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Speaker 3: blood loss.
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Speaker 1: So we've got a max ten minutes.
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Speaker 3: How about that?
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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, let's just hold onto that thought one moment.
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Speaker 1: Susan Hendricks joining us in addition to doctor Kendall Crowns
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Speaker 1: and Dave mac Susan Hendricks investigative reporter, journalist, author of
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Speaker 1: a best seller, Down the Hill, My Descent into the
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Speaker 1: Double Murder in Delphi. That's talking about Abby and Libby
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Speaker 1: that were murdered by Richard Allen in Delphi. Susan this
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Speaker 1: document by the state by the prosecutor's states that D
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Speaker 1: four VD stood by and watched Celeste, this little girl bleed,
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Speaker 1: wait for it, in a blue kiddie pool that he
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Speaker 1: idiot bought on Amazon. And isn't it true? Susan Hendricks
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Speaker 1: that minute microscopic bits of blue plastic were found in
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Speaker 1: the inside in the wounds to her body, and we
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Speaker 1: were thinking, what is that. Of course they had to
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Speaker 1: take the tissue, take her skin and look at it
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Speaker 1: under a microscope, and and then they went, what are
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Speaker 1: these blue particles?
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Speaker 4: It's the kittie pool, yep, And now we know what
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Speaker 4: it was and fitting for her. They met when she
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Speaker 4: was eleven, still having braces, goes to her middle school.
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Speaker 4: When he finds out her mom says, you can't see
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Speaker 4: her anymore, took her phone away. I know, I'll go
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Speaker 4: to the middle school, give a kid one thousand dollars
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Speaker 4: the kittie pool. It's fitting for Celeste. The details here
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Speaker 4: exactly what the DA Hoffman said, Nathan. He said, there
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Speaker 4: are special circumstances, and I agree it's laid out purpose.
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Speaker 1: Trey Lovell joining us. He is a veteran trial lawyer
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Speaker 1: in this jurisdiction of la He is the founder of
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Speaker 1: the Level Law Firm. You can find him at levelfirm
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Speaker 1: dot com. Trey explain what special circumstances are.
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Speaker 5: So special circumstances are an enhancement to a first two
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Speaker 5: give motor charge. Typically, a first two game motor charge
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Speaker 5: requires premeditation and intent. It has a a penalty of
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Speaker 5: twenty five years to life. Special enhancement means you're adding
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Speaker 5: certain circumstances that make it extra egregious. You know you're
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Speaker 5: lying in wait, you're doing it for financial gain, you're
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Speaker 5: trying to commit to kill a witness, you're killing multiple people.
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Speaker 5: I think there's a number, may up to twelve different
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Speaker 5: types of instances in California law that entitle upgrading the
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Speaker 5: first yeame murder charge to special enhancement, which then qualifies
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Speaker 5: you for the death penalty.
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Speaker 1: And of course the defense will put up minimizing circumstances
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Speaker 1: to try to get a jury to mitigate or to
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Speaker 1: bring down the sentence. But either way, if he's convicted,
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Speaker 1: he's looking at el watt life of that parole or
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Speaker 1: the death penalty, which, of course in California there's a moratorium,
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Speaker 1: but that's not gonna last forever. Everybody waiting for their
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Speaker 1: turn on death Row may very well get their turn
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Speaker 1: back to Susan Hendricks the blue particles found in and
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Speaker 1: on her body. I pointed out that this document, there's
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Speaker 1: people's brief regarding the preliminary hearing evidence, reveals that idiot
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Speaker 1: D four VD The multi Millionaire on the cusp, like
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Speaker 1: the night before he starts his world tour and drops
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Speaker 1: his album, is in the basement rendering her body. Did
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Speaker 1: he order the pool, the inflatable kiddie pool on Amazon,
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Speaker 1: and if so, what else did he order on Amazon?
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Speaker 5: Yes?
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Speaker 4: He did, and I have a list. I mean it
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Speaker 4: goes on and on, just the convenience to him of this.
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Speaker 4: And at first, Nancy you mentioned the pool, I thought
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Speaker 4: it was a tarp, and now more horrific that we
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Speaker 4: know it was a kiddie pool. Here's the list. A
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Speaker 4: two chainsaws, a shovel from home depot, a burncage on Amazon.
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Speaker 4: I didn't know what that was, garbage bags. Again, the
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Speaker 4: list goes on and on, and I'm picturing him just
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Speaker 4: scrolling and ordering to get rid of this young girl.
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Speaker 1: Speak king of the burn cage, joining us as I
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Speaker 1: mentioned Steve Fisher Missing Person's private investigator, search and rescue expert,
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Speaker 1: owner of Search Investigations. He was hired by the owner
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Speaker 1: of that million dollar mansion in Hollywood Hills that D
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Speaker 1: four VD rented, and this is where Celeste was murdered.
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Speaker 1: So to you, Steve Fisher, I want to talk about
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Speaker 1: the burn cage, but first let's see a shot that
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Speaker 1: we got from our friends at TMZ of the side
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Speaker 1: of D four vd's mansion, because one of those shots
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Speaker 1: shows the garage. There's the garage where he hid Celeste's
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Speaker 1: body in the kiddie pool. Steve Fisher, were you ever
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Speaker 1: in that garage?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, several times.
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Speaker 7: And so that garage is really key because one there
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Speaker 7: was only one key to the house, and often that
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Speaker 7: wasn't with the people, so they would use that the
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Speaker 7: garage door closest to that gate, they would you know,
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Speaker 7: open the door and then leave the door unlock and
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Speaker 7: go in. So they're always going through the garage. And
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Speaker 7: he turned that into like a game room down there.
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Speaker 7: That's where people would hang out as friends and everything.
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Speaker 7: I just don't understand how this wind unnoticed.
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Speaker 1: If it did go unnoticed, Okay, well, wow, you're telling
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Speaker 1: me something. Nee Fisher and I'm glad to hear it.
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Speaker 1: So I had envision a regular people garage, you know,
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Speaker 1: where you put all your spirit tools and your stuff
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Speaker 1: that you don't want in your kitchen. Tell me about
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Speaker 1: his garage because that is where the kiddy pool was,
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Speaker 1: and that is where, according to the state, David Anthony
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Speaker 1: Burke murdered Celeste and he put her in a kiddy
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Speaker 1: pool so she wouldn't get blood on his floor.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 7: And so originally when they rented it, the owner had
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Speaker 7: it like as a home gym type of thing, but
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Speaker 7: he changed it and with that it had these like
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Speaker 7: rubber floors on it, not some of you'd perk a
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Speaker 7: car unncessarily more for like gym equipment.
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Speaker 6: And on the other two bays and this one it
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Speaker 6: did just have the brick.
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Speaker 7: And they had actually started they'd gotten a red Tesla
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Speaker 7: and it was starting to park inside the garage. But
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Speaker 7: that door you see on the left there with the
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Speaker 7: one step that goes up into the house, and that's
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Speaker 7: what they were used many times to get up there.
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Speaker 1: Let's see a shot that we got from our friends
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Speaker 1: at tmz AM. I looking at the garage right now,
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Speaker 1: is that what I'm saying Stave Fisher.
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Speaker 6: Yes you are. You're looking at the far left bay
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Speaker 6: if you're if you're looking at the house.
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Speaker 1: That doesn't look like a hangout like where people sit
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Speaker 1: on sofas and watch TV.
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Speaker 6: There's two more garage doors just to the right of
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Speaker 6: the frame, and those are the ones that have a
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Speaker 6: rubber floor down on the ground, and then there's some
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Speaker 6: there was like games and stuff like that.
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Speaker 1: Is it open or is there a wall between what
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Speaker 1: I'm seeing and the game area.
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Speaker 7: It's open, you just if that if that shot tilt
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Speaker 7: it's a little bit more to the right, you'd be
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Speaker 7: able to see it.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking in the garage where Celeste was murdered.
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Speaker 6: Yes, are.
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Speaker 1: Tragic, Steve. When you were there, had police already processed
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Speaker 1: it for blood?
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Speaker 7: They had, And this is where there's still have a
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Speaker 7: little confusion because they I did not see them turned
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Speaker 7: into a crime scene.
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Speaker 6: I didn't see them using Tevik suits.
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Speaker 7: I didn't see them there for an extremely long period
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Speaker 7: of time, so I don't know if they got this
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Speaker 7: off with something.
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Speaker 6: Things that they took.
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Speaker 7: From the garage, such as the pool and wornot, but
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Speaker 7: it wasn't processed like you would expect to see if
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Speaker 7: they saw the times.
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Speaker 1: They mean the kid you talking about the kiddie.
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Speaker 6: Pool, talking about the kiddie pool.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'm looking. Hey, blood can can, microscopic bits
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Speaker 1: of blood can, naked to the human eye, can be
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Speaker 1: there for years. Actually, So hold on to you, Susan Hendricks.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking again at this document, and I'm specifically looking
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Speaker 1: at page six. It says laer a search warrant at
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Speaker 1: this address thirteen sixty eight to Henty Place, September seventeen.
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Speaker 1: Hold that date in your mind. Hold that date in
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Speaker 1: your mind, Steve fish Or September seventeen, after the victim
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Speaker 1: was id'd by theme based on dental records, which is
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Speaker 1: a whole other cannon worms. Doctor Kendall Crown's why dental
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Speaker 1: records in the garage, detectives of covered evidence consistent with
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Speaker 1: the rendering of her body in the inflatable pool, which
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Speaker 1: contained multiple linear cuts. Biological samples positive for blood were
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Speaker 1: collected within the garage area. DNA determined it was Celeste.
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Speaker 1: So there had to be blood on the walls or
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Speaker 1: the floor that the four v D did not see
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Speaker 1: to clean up.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, did he do it by himself? That's a question
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Speaker 4: I have and why wasn't it help blocked off as
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Speaker 4: a crime scene for a longer period of time. We've
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Speaker 4: covered other cases clearly, Nacy Guthrie, you leave the crime
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Speaker 4: scene too. What evidence is missing? And hopefully they got
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Speaker 4: it all in that garage if that's where everything happened.
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Speaker 4: We do know the tesla started to smell in that area,
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Speaker 4: parked couple hundred feet from his home. People started to
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Speaker 4: smell decomposition and then it was told. I'm just I
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Speaker 4: think the evidence is in that garage clearly, and the tesla.
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Speaker 1: Well, obviously they used luminol. They may have used an
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Speaker 1: alternative light source als, but clearly they used either illuminol
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Speaker 1: or als where microscopic bits of blood that you can't see.
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Speaker 1: If you look like Steve Fisher, what date were you
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Speaker 1: in the garage, Steve, that would.
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Speaker 6: Have been it was just a couple days later after
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Speaker 6: the search war was served.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and I bet you didn't see any blood, so
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Speaker 1: they had to use luminol to find the blood. But
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Speaker 1: did they find the kiddie pool?
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Speaker 7: By reading the document, it seems like they may have,
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Speaker 7: and which you know, I know that there's the pieces
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Speaker 7: of it, but you know, here's the thing, like we
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Speaker 7: You can watch that a search warrant being executed from
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Speaker 7: the helicopter foot of the raw helicopter footage from the
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Speaker 7: news helicopter above, and they're standing around in the garage.
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Speaker 7: It does not look like it's the focus. It looks
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Speaker 7: like the focuses of electronics up in the house. So
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Speaker 7: I'm wondering if this was fully processed.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Trey Lovell joining US defense
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Speaker 1: attorney and founder of the Level Firm. I'm gonna go
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Speaker 1: back to Steve Fisher because he is sharing with us
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Speaker 1: tonight video of the Tesla being moved and driven out
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Speaker 1: of the home with celest body in it. Trey Lovell,
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Speaker 1: don't you hate it when your client basically has a
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Speaker 1: shopping list? I mean, can you imagine D four B D.
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Speaker 1: Let's see here, I'm going to need a couple shovels.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna need a and it's home incinerator check check check.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the kiddie pull check check check. Really there's
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Speaker 1: records of that? Does the name Brian Coburger ring a
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Speaker 1: bell that devil straight from Hell ordered the murder weapon
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Speaker 1: on Amazon, a k bar knife and that crack the
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Speaker 1: case other than the identification of his white Elantra with
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Speaker 1: his DNA on the sheath of the murder weapon. So
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Speaker 1: you've got him ordering that from Amazon. Oh, here's a
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Speaker 1: good one, Colt. Mom Laurie Valo may she rot in hell.
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Speaker 1: She murdered not only her two children, JJ and Tylee,
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Speaker 1: but the wife of her then lover, the self proclaimed
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Speaker 1: prophet Chad Dave Bell. So before Tammy Day Bell, his
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Speaker 1: wife dies up natural causes later to be determined homicide.
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Speaker 1: She called Mam Laurie Valo, goes online like the big
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Speaker 1: idiot she is and orders her wedding dress and her
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Speaker 1: ring and her groom, the prophet Chad Dave Bail's beach
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Speaker 1: b eac H groom outfit, and then they wore it
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Speaker 1: after Tammy died on the beach at Hawaii for their wedding.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Amazon. Awesome. Listen.
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Speaker 5: That doesn't help at all, obviously, But I want to
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Speaker 5: stress one thing. We are at the beginning of this
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Speaker 5: and we've only seen the prosecution side, and there's a
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Speaker 5: lot of questions that arise around here. Why was this
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Speaker 5: that the garage fully processed as a crime scene? You know,
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Speaker 5: you know, David had a lot going on from the
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Speaker 5: day that he allegedly killed Celeste. From the twenty thirty
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Speaker 5: to twenty fifth, he had a party to go do here,
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Speaker 5: his album was coming out, He's around pr people, he's
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Speaker 5: around his management. You know, how could this have happened
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Speaker 5: without somebody knowing it and being in on it. So
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Speaker 5: there's a lot of questions about this that really need
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Speaker 5: to be answered before we can really kind of lock
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Speaker 5: in the idea of what happened.
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Speaker 1: We are learning so much from this document before I
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Speaker 1: go back into it with Susan Hendrix to Steve Fisher
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Speaker 1: joining us Missing person's private investigator, owner of Search Investigations,
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Speaker 1: who actually went through the four vd's mansion. Let's look
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Speaker 1: at the video that you are allowing us to show
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Speaker 1: tonight and explain in your own words what it reveals.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna loop it over and over while you talk.
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Speaker 7: So this is July twenty ninth, twenty twenty five, which
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Speaker 7: is the last day David's in town before he gets
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Speaker 7: on a tour of us to start his tour. This
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Speaker 7: is the tesla being moved from the rental house which
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Speaker 7: is just around the greenery there where it originally it
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Speaker 7: comes from. It's just around the corner. It's coming down
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Speaker 7: the street towards the connected with the Bluebird. It's about
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Speaker 7: ten thirty in the morning. It's being moved, windows cracked down.
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Speaker 7: It's very dirty. You can tell that the when jo
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Speaker 7: Wifer has been run like once or twice to clear enough.
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Speaker 6: So it's been sitting, you know, toward accumulated that.
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Speaker 7: And you know it's being moved by somebody that's light skinned,
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Speaker 7: is wearing red jersey type shirt and has long hair.
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Speaker 6: And you know it's the last time that we see
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Speaker 6: the testa.
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Speaker 1: Is it a male or a female moving the tesla?
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Speaker 6: Appears to me to be a male.
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Speaker 1: And you say the window is down. We can see
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Speaker 1: that because of the stench of this little girl's decomposing
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Speaker 1: body in the front the front trunk.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I've been sitting there out on the street, just
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Speaker 7: like go ahead, stape. It's just been seen. You just
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Speaker 7: left it out there with her your remains in it.
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Speaker 7: And just like he couldn't let her go for some
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Speaker 7: reason and was keeping either as a trophy or for
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Speaker 7: control purposes. I never understand that. But she'd been there
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Speaker 7: likely for months, like it says in the document.
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Speaker 1: And we are seeing the car pull out from dfourvd's home. Correct,
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Speaker 1: right around the corner to the right.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's about you one hundred and fifty feet two
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Speaker 7: hundred feet the most.
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Speaker 1: Back to what we know what was the day that
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Speaker 1: the car was driven out Toly twenty ninth and tell
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Speaker 1: me about the timing of dfour d's world tour and
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Speaker 1: the drop of his album.
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Speaker 6: Yes, they leave.
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Speaker 7: Later that out, late in the afternoon, he does a
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Speaker 7: Instagram post of some sorts or video from a tour
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Speaker 7: bus and saying the tour is starting tonight.
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Speaker 6: They're getting on a tour bus. They leave.
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Speaker 7: I believe they go to San Francisco for the first show,
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Speaker 7: and it shows him, Neo and Asia on this tour
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Speaker 7: bus and there that's it, right there, they're leaving and
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Speaker 7: this is the beginning of David and does not come.
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Speaker 6: Back until after the search warrants served.
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Speaker 7: And I don't believe a those either you left or
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Speaker 7: car or the entire time the house, Neil I think
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Speaker 7: did come back.
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Speaker 1: To Susan Hendricks, joining US investigative journalist and author The Night.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors say that D four VD, David Anthony Burke murdered
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Speaker 1: Celeste what did he do that night?
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Speaker 4: That night it appears, so it's less than twenty four
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Speaker 4: hours later he goes to his album's launch party. That's
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Speaker 4: April twenty fourth. He goes to a launch party less
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Speaker 4: than twenty four hours after he allegedly killed her, ordering
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Speaker 4: a shovel on home depot. And Steve's timeline really helps,
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Speaker 4: and that's key. I believe it will be key in
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Speaker 4: the case on what he did and shows to me
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Speaker 4: the callousness of it. Going on tours. He mentioned, as
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Speaker 4: Steve mentioned in July, the last time he drove that
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Speaker 4: tesla as she's rotting in the front in the front
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Speaker 4: of that car. Also a launch party, and as you said, Nancy,
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Speaker 4: nothing was going to stop this guy from moving forward
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Speaker 4: with his career. My second thought to killing this girl
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Speaker 4: who he met at the age of eleven while she's
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Speaker 4: still at braces.
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Speaker 1: To you, Steve Fisher, you have fleshed out a timeline.
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Speaker 1: Tell me what you've learned about the movements of David
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Speaker 1: Anthony Burg aka D four VD around during and after
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Speaker 1: the night Celeste Revas was murdered in his basement.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so April twenty thirty, sons Heer and Uber.
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Speaker 7: One of the biggest things to me is to find
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Speaker 7: out that she was in Lake Elsinore, at home and
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Speaker 7: out of school night still not reported. Found, she brings
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Speaker 7: her eighty miles to his house, apparently kills.
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Speaker 6: Her right away.
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Speaker 7: And that's April. Between thirty he goes to Santa Barbara
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Speaker 7: County and the twenty fourth, just hours later, he's having
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Speaker 7: the album release party at a thousand Thieves, which is
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Speaker 7: the venue here in Pover City. And then as the
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Speaker 7: pre sale starts, the tours officially launched, and within another
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Speaker 7: twenty four hour season in New York City a band
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Speaker 7: Lab three day pop up where he's performing live. But
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Speaker 7: within twelve fourteen hours of taking a fourteen year old's life,
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Speaker 7: he is arms up in the air celebrating at one
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Speaker 7: hundred thieves that his album has launched and has dropped,
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Speaker 7: and it's it's sick, and there he is and they're
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Speaker 7: they're celebrating.
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Speaker 6: It's it's on.
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Speaker 7: It's man, everything is great, and in Celestis is decomposing.
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Speaker 1: It's tragic, you know, the cold nature to tray level.
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Speaker 1: He is a veteran defense attorney's tried a lot of
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Speaker 1: cases in this jurisdiction of La him going and partying
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Speaker 1: after rendering her body, like at a slaughterhouse. That will
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Speaker 1: infuriate a jury.
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Speaker 5: This is something that can help the defense because it's
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Speaker 5: not conduct consistent with having murdered somebody, you know, immediately
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Speaker 5: going out afterwards, having this busy schedule, showing no remnants
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Speaker 5: of having committed or murder. This actually can help the
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Speaker 5: defense to show there's some other maybe somebody was trying
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Speaker 5: to help them and did it without us knowledge, And
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Speaker 5: I'm just purely speculating it's not with evidence shows now,
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Speaker 5: but we've only seen one side of the evidence, and
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Speaker 5: so as a defense, I'm going to look at this
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Speaker 5: and say, hey, what did he do afterwards that's consistent
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Speaker 5: with having committed this crime? And his conduct is not.
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Speaker 5: And there's a lot of people around somebody would have
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Speaker 5: known about it, nobody knew about it. So these are
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Speaker 5: things that a defense a train's going to latch onto
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Speaker 5: and try to exploit to poke holes in the prosecution's case.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter also
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Speaker 1: joining us jump in.
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Speaker 2: Dave Nancy, there's a really important factor here of how
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Speaker 2: quickly Burke was establishing the alibi got to remember. On
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Speaker 2: the twenty second, Celeste threatens to go public with their relationship.
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Speaker 2: That's how upset she is, that's why she is texting
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Speaker 2: to Burke. He gets her to come to the house
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Speaker 2: on the twenty third, sends the uber. She shows up
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Speaker 2: at ten minutes after ten Nancy. By ten thirty, it
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Speaker 2: is believed that Celeste was already dead, and Burt begins
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Speaker 2: texting Celeste's phone. He sends a text where are you
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Speaker 2: after she's already dead. April twenty third, eleven thirty pm,
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Speaker 2: Burt drives away from his home, texting and calling Celeste's
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Speaker 2: phone asking where she is.
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Speaker 6: He's setting up the defense.
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Speaker 2: April twenty fourth, between twelve oh one and the early
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Speaker 2: morning hours, that's when Burt drives a testa to Santa
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Speaker 2: Barbara County, attempting to dispose of some of Celestis property
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Speaker 2: and evidence that Burke returns to his home in the
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Speaker 2: early morning hours of April twenty fourth, twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 2: In those first twelve hours, Nancy from the time of
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Speaker 2: her death until the time he returns from Santa Barbara,
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Speaker 2: he is building an alibi.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Our director in the control
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Speaker 1: room is obsessed with some photos, these photos allegedly taken
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Speaker 1: by D four VD holding the knives, and I recognize
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Speaker 1: the fingernail polish and the hand tray lovel and I'm
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Speaker 1: sure you would argue to a jury you can't tell
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Speaker 1: that's D four VD holding that. But please, I would
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Speaker 1: make him hold his hand up in front of the
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Speaker 1: jury and let them decide what the hey level is
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Speaker 1: he doing taking pictures of knives? Did he used those
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Speaker 1: to murder and render down? Celest body?
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Speaker 5: Listen, the defense is are going to come up with
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Speaker 5: an explanation for that. You know, what's the time and
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Speaker 5: what's the context all those pictures taken?
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Speaker 6: What was the purpose of those?
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Speaker 5: You know, is there enough distance between the murdering and
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Speaker 5: those pictures? You know, once again, not conduct consistent with
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Speaker 5: showing off that you have the propensity to kill somebody.
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Speaker 5: So these are things the defense is gonna focus on,
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Speaker 5: and the timeline they're going to go meticulously about that.
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Speaker 6: Is it accurate?
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Speaker 1: Did it really happen?
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Speaker 5: Was there another reason that he could have gone out there?
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Speaker 5: And there's a lot of things that the defense is
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Speaker 5: going to focus on. They're going to have their own
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Speaker 5: witnesses and so once again, I you know, I keep
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Speaker 5: coming back to it. We've seen one side of it,
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Speaker 5: and it's it's big. There's a lot of evidence here. However,
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Speaker 5: to promise you see a difference.
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Speaker 1: You know, this is why you win so many cases, Trey,
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Speaker 1: He's this is a little spoiled Brett boy, right, He's
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Speaker 1: living with his wealthy parents who are funding his musical aspirations.
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Speaker 1: You're saying, we don't know the context of these nine photos.
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Speaker 1: What is he an eagle scout? He's going to go
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Speaker 1: what gather wood for a fire and pitch a tent
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Speaker 1: and sing around the campfire and toast marshmallows. Oh hg
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Speaker 1: double l n Oh, that's not why he has this knife?
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Speaker 1: Level Did you actually just say that with a straight face.
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Speaker 5: I'm telling you we've seen one side of the evidence here. Wait,
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Speaker 5: do we see the witnesses that defense are going to produce.
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Speaker 5: We're going to see holes being poked through this. So
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Speaker 5: it's not clear. Yes, he's holding up a knife. It
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Speaker 5: doesn't look good, but context is everything. Actual matters are everything.
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Speaker 5: And once again, Honda, not consistent with a murderer, you know,
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Speaker 5: to go and show off. So I think you know
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Speaker 5: we're going to find out a whole other side to
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Speaker 5: what happened here.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mm hmm. Okay, Steve Fisher, these are your photos,
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Speaker 1: the photos of d four VD and his black fingernails.
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Speaker 1: That's him holding the knots. What is that about?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, just a clear brother, not my photos there, David.
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Speaker 7: They we found a camera a car SD card at
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Speaker 7: the house and they're from David's camera. These are photos
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Speaker 7: and that in some of these included celest in them.
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Speaker 7: These are photos taken that one I believe is a
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Speaker 7: December thirty, first of twenty four and and she's in
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Speaker 7: some subsequent photos that he took of her there in
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Speaker 7: downtown around right around midnight.
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Speaker 6: He seemed to have a real thing for.
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Speaker 7: Knives, and you understand there can be other, you know,
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Speaker 7: explanations that.
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Speaker 6: Just just kind of shows that he did have this thing.
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Speaker 1: Right. No, no, no, no, you and Levell together you're
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Speaker 1: the Devil's duo. What you mean he had? There are
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Speaker 1: other explanations he had other interests in knives. What interest
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Speaker 1: would that be?
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Speaker 6: No, I'm just saying that.
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Speaker 7: I'm not saying that this knife is the one that
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Speaker 7: was used or anything like that to kill her. What
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Speaker 7: I'm saying is that we found evidence that he has
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Speaker 7: like an obsession with knives. There there was a lot
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Speaker 7: of even on live streams brought this other nise out
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Speaker 7: of the relate switchblades and people wanted to make a
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Speaker 7: camp show that on YouTube.
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Speaker 1: And well, you know what, Steve Fisher, you just keep
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Speaker 1: making up excuses for defour VD because I'm going to
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Speaker 1: go to Kendle Crowns right now. Let's talk about chainsaws,
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Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns. Isn't it true that dfour VD idiot
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Speaker 1: ordered chainsaws from Amazon? I mean, or was it lows
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Speaker 1: one of the two, But there's a record of him
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Speaker 1: ordering a chainsaw. Let's talk about what a chainsaw can
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Speaker 1: do to a human body.
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Speaker 3: Certainly, So I have my chainsaw here at the office,
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Speaker 3: and a chainsaw is actually not the best way to
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Speaker 3: tear apart a body. And because basically the way a
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Speaker 3: chainsaw goes through it chips or planes the wood. And
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Speaker 3: so when it cuts into tissue, it creates a large
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Speaker 3: spray of tissue and blood, and then when it gets
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Speaker 3: into the bone, it can continues to make this spray.
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Speaker 3: It in fact, can shoots several feet away from the
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Speaker 3: chainsaw in front of it. You'll get casts off coming
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Speaker 3: from this direction, this direction underneath, and out the shoot
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Speaker 3: on the side here, it would come out here on
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Speaker 3: the bottom. So it shoots blood and debris and bone everywhere.
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Speaker 3: It's not a good way to disarticulate a body because
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Speaker 3: it puts DNA all over the place and just rips
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Speaker 3: the hell out of the tissue as it's doing it.
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Speaker 1: While we are on the topic of chainsaws, doctor Kendall Crown,
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Speaker 1: so let me remind everyone Chief Medical Examiner Terrance County
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Speaker 1: as fort Worth, Star of Mayhem and the Morgue and
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Speaker 1: esteemed a lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU.
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Speaker 1: Very often when we have cases where the victim has
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Speaker 1: been rendered or as you said, disarticulate, you have to
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Speaker 1: look at tool marks as we call them, on the limbs.
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Speaker 1: What are they and how would a chainsaw to mark
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Speaker 1: be identifiable.
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Speaker 3: So the different tools that you can use to disarticulate
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Speaker 3: a person, knives, axes, chainsaws, saws, they all create marks
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Speaker 3: on the bone. And one of these the marks are
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Speaker 3: called curf marks or curf grooves. Chainsaws make a very
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Speaker 3: distinctive wide curve mark and then you can look at
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Speaker 3: the edges of the bone that have been cut and
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Speaker 3: you can see different marks or tool marks on these
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Speaker 3: bones that can kind of pinpoint the different types of saws, knives,
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Speaker 3: whatever may be used to disarticulate a person.
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Speaker 1: How long do you believe it would take doctor Kettle
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Speaker 1: Crowns to disarticulate a body with a chainsaw versus a
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Speaker 1: traditional knife.
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Speaker 3: With knives, if you're going for joint spaces, like you know,
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Speaker 3: the joint space's wrist, elbow, shoulder, you can actually take
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Speaker 3: the limb off relatively quickly, much like parting out a chicken.
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Speaker 3: So to say, with a saw handsaws, it takes a
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Speaker 3: fair bit of effort to get through the skin, some
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Speaker 3: of cuitaneous tissue, muscle, then to the bone. A chain
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Speaker 3: saw probably will cut it cut through quite faster, so
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Speaker 3: I would say it probably each cut would take a
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Speaker 3: few minutes to get through the body. I think they
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Speaker 3: made a total one to three, four, five six cuts,
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Speaker 3: so we're probably talking about fifteen to twenty minutes for
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Speaker 3: them to completely saw through the body. And then the
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Speaker 3: interesting thing is is if she's still in that blue
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Speaker 3: plastic swimming pool as they cut too far through the body.
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Speaker 3: They probably hit that swimming pool with the chainsaw edge
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Speaker 3: and then ripped the plastic, which would then indo scribt
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Speaker 3: be pulled up back through the tissue and then lodge
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Speaker 3: in the body, which.
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Speaker 1: Explains the blue particles of plastic within the cuts on
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Speaker 1: her body. Doctor Kimbler crowns, don't move, please, Susan Hendricks.
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Speaker 1: There's so much in this document. I haven't even gotten
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Speaker 1: to the Plan B B is and brother peels the
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Speaker 1: oral contraceptive a day late, talk of abortion NUTI shots
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Speaker 1: you name it, describe.
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Speaker 4: That will be used for evidence. In my opinion, on
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Speaker 4: the text messages back and forth, we do know they
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Speaker 4: have an argument on the twenty second everything you mentioned
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Speaker 4: as well inappropriate to put it mildly, pictures abortion Plan
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Speaker 4: B and the argument back and forth to where she
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Speaker 4: was jealous that he was with other. I learned today
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Speaker 4: there were miners as well was with other. So therefore
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Speaker 4: I think that's one hundred percent motive that he's thinking.
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Speaker 4: When she says, look, I'm going to tell people about
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Speaker 4: our quote unquote relationship, inappropriate again, and therefore he decides
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Speaker 4: to eliminate her, get rid of her, and ordering everything
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Speaker 4: he needed to do that, even ordering her throu a
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Speaker 4: uber to get to his house.
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Speaker 1: So doctor Kenel crowns, if this little girl had undergone
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Speaker 1: an abortion, you would find would you be able to
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Speaker 1: determine that in autopsy.
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Speaker 3: There could be still changes in the ovaries that showed
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Speaker 3: the significant changes that usually happen when an individual is pregnant.
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Speaker 3: There's changes in the ovaries we can see grossly and
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Speaker 3: histologically or at the time of autopsy or under the microscope.
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Speaker 3: There can also be on the uterus itself, what is
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Speaker 3: called the endometrial cavity or the inside of the uterus.
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Speaker 3: This usually gets a lot thicker when an individual is
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Speaker 3: pregnant and becomes a lot more bloody or heymorrhagic, and
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Speaker 3: the the hormones of the u ovaries will keep it
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Speaker 3: in place. So there are changes we can see at
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Speaker 3: autopsy that can indicate a pregnancy or a recent abortion.
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Speaker 3: It just depends on the timeframe of when it occurred.
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Speaker 3: What we'll be able to find an autopsy.
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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the
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Speaker 1: murder of Celeste rivas Meschi, rest in peace. Dial two
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Speaker 1: one three four eight six six eight nine zero repeat
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Speaker 1: two one three four eight six six eight nine zero,
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Speaker 1: we remember American hero Detective Corporal Christopher Mock Saint Lucie
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Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Florida, passed away in the line of duty
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Speaker 1: after twenty one years, leaving behind his wife, Jennifer, and
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Speaker 1: two little children, Jasmine and Adrian. American hero Detective Corporal
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Speaker 1: Christopher Mock. Thank you to our guests, but especially to
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Speaker 1: you for being with us tonight as we seek justice
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Speaker 1: for Celeste Antsy. Grace signing off and I'll see you tomorrow night,
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Speaker 1: and until then
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Speaker 7: M hmm