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Bonus Episode: A Music History Memoir and Rock ‘N’ Roll Autobiography Reading List · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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  Speaker 1: just to touch, to get you through. Yeah me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after Party.
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  Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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  Speaker 1: the party. The bridge to get you from one full
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  Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig
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  Speaker 1: into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to
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  Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: a look at our favorite music history memoirs and rock
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  Speaker 1: and roll biographies. A new song you're gonna love, and
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  Speaker 1: an old song that you won't be able to stop
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  Speaker 1: listening to. We're previewing next week's episode on Patti Smith Plus.
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  Speaker 1: We get into your emails, comments, dms, and as always,
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot of rosie. This is the podcast for
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  Speaker 1: the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers, who knows
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  Speaker 1: that the best history is the history that gets buried.
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  Speaker 1: Disgrace Lands, where I tell the stories they didn't want told,
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  Speaker 1: the kind you'll end up telling someone else.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, disc goes. Let's get into it all right,
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  Speaker 2: disc goes.
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  Speaker 1: I'm back once again, back in the chair, back behind
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  Speaker 1: the mic, back in your ears. After some psycho level
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  Speaker 1: travel last week, I flew out to Los Angeles from
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  Speaker 1: the East Coast, arrived, checked into the hotel, got into
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  Speaker 1: an argument with room service over some salmon. Woke up
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  Speaker 1: the next day, headed out to a studio at an
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  Speaker 1: undisclosed location, filmed an interview that will be live on
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  Speaker 1: one of the bigger streamers next week, and then I
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  Speaker 1: went straight back to the airport, grabbed the Red Eye,
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  Speaker 1: and flew home. Nothing like cross country travel for one night,
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  Speaker 1: but it was worth it. I can't wait for you
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  Speaker 1: to hear this interview and for you to hear the
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  Speaker 1: news that we've got coming to you all next week.
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  Speaker 1: The entire way. The whole time I was traveling, I
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  Speaker 1: had Dave Grohl's books Storyteller on my lap and in
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  Speaker 1: my hands, and was barreling through it in order to
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  Speaker 1: keep up with research for the Foo Fighters episode that
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  Speaker 1: I'm running this week. The book Storyteller Dave GROLs Storyteller.
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  Speaker 1: It's an easy read, feels like it was easy to
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  Speaker 1: write as well. If I'm being honest, there's not a
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  Speaker 1: lot there. I mean, it's entertaining, don't get me wrong.
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  Speaker 1: It's Dave Grohl, and the dude is charisma personified, and
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  Speaker 1: he's lived one of, if not the most charmed rock
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  Speaker 1: and roll lives that I can think of for a
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  Speaker 1: rock star. And not that it hasn't come without a cost,
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  Speaker 1: of course, and that cost, at least as it pertains
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  Speaker 1: to the loss of Kirk Cobaine, is documented in the book.
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  Speaker 1: Of Course. This book was written and released before the
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  Speaker 1: death of Taylor Hawkins, so that loss is not detailed
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  Speaker 1: in Storyteller, but neither are what I assume are some
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  Speaker 1: of the more revealing bits from Dave Grohl's backstory. And
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  Speaker 1: so is any sort of narrative thread. It's it's kind
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  Speaker 1: it's I don't want to say it's all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: It's not, but you kind of have to go into
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  Speaker 1: it knowing gave Roll's story to figure out how the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing is playing out. Not that it's hard to
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  Speaker 1: figure out, it's easy, but it's not hanging on any
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  Speaker 1: sort of one theme other than and I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to discount this the joy that Dave Grole gets from music,
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  Speaker 1: which is important and shouldn't be overlooked. But again, as
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  Speaker 1: far as memoirs go, it's it's kind of lacking. But
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  Speaker 1: the book does succeed on quick flashes into Dave's incredible life,
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  Speaker 1: a hypercharged by jaw dropping experiences. Dave Grole bringing Paul
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  Speaker 1: McCartney to meet ac DC, Dave Role performing for President Obama,
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  Speaker 1: Dave Groll trying to get into Panteris Strip Club. The
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  Speaker 1: book is a ton of fun, because Dave Groll's life
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  Speaker 1: is a ton of fun. But the best music history
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  Speaker 1: memoirs they reveal something else, not just the darker side,
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  Speaker 1: but the vulnerability. And there's some of that here for sure,
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  Speaker 1: but not enough. I can't fault them for it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he's got about ten albums of heart on the sleeve
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  Speaker 1: of arena rock anthems, and he's a musician on a memoirs,
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  Speaker 1: so you know, it is what it is. They can't
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  Speaker 1: all be Patty Smith, which brings me to my point
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  Speaker 1: reading Dave Grohl's book on the heels of reading Patty
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  Speaker 1: Smith's Just Kids and Mtrain is it's kind of jarring
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  Speaker 1: because Just Kids might be one of my favorite memoirs
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  Speaker 1: or autobiographies by the way I just learned, like seconds ago,
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  Speaker 1: what the difference is between a memoir and an autobiography.
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  Speaker 1: I always thought that a memoir was just a pretentious
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  Speaker 1: person's version of an autobiography, like the way John Malcovitch
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  Speaker 1: pronounces the word memoir and burne after reading my memoir,
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  Speaker 1: or how my memoir my memoir. I can't do it.
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  Speaker 1: I can't do John Malcovich, forgive me. I almost ran
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  Speaker 1: over once. I'm mass Ava and Cambridge. But that's another story.
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  Speaker 1: A memoir is about a specific time in the writer's life,
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  Speaker 1: and an autobiography is more of a cradle to the
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  Speaker 1: grave story. So by that definition, I'm comparing apples to
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  Speaker 1: donuts here when I'm comparing Just Kids to Dave Girl's Storyteller.
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  Speaker 1: Just Kids is Patti Smith's account mostly of her time
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  Speaker 1: in New York City with Robert Maplethorpe in the late
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  Speaker 1: sixties and seventies, and Storyteller is kind of Dave story
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  Speaker 1: from birth up until the time he wrote it a
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  Speaker 1: couple of years ago. But still one is vastly superior
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  Speaker 1: to the other and far more of an enjoyable read.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the Patty Smith book Just Kids. It's one
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  Speaker 1: of the best memoirs I've ever read, really truly, and
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  Speaker 1: I know that's the case for a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people will tell you that same thing.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people read that book, even non music obsessives,
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  Speaker 1: and it resonated with them, and it's understandable. It's incredible,
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  Speaker 1: and it forced me to think about Patti Smith in
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  Speaker 1: a different way, in a deeper way, and to hear
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  Speaker 1: her music differently. And I can't say that Dave Girl's
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  Speaker 1: book did that for me. I mean it did on
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  Speaker 1: some level. Of course, you're being brought into a part
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  Speaker 1: of his life that you haven't really seen before, so
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  Speaker 1: of course you're maybe thinking about him in a fuller way,
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  Speaker 1: but not really in a different way. You're certainly I'm
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  Speaker 1: certainly not listening to his music in a different way.
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  Speaker 1: About all this got me thinking and talking to some
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  Speaker 1: Double Elevis folks about what the best memoirs and autobiographies
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  Speaker 1: from music history are. Spring is now officially here, which
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  Speaker 1: means summer is officially right around the corner. So if
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  Speaker 1: you're in need of some reading recommendations, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: list some of my favorite music books penned by musicians.
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  Speaker 1: Uh here in this after party, and I'm gonna ask
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  Speaker 1: you guys to hit me up with your recommendations as well.
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  Speaker 1: You are a very well read podcast listening audience, and
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  Speaker 1: I know you've read a bunch of music books that
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  Speaker 1: I have not read. So I want your inputs six one, seven,
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  Speaker 1: nine oh six sixty sixty three eight voicemail and text
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  Speaker 1: at Disgrace Lampod on the Socials. Disgrace Lampod at gmail
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  Speaker 1: dot com if you want to email me. Aside from
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  Speaker 1: Just Kids by Patti Smith, one of my favorite music
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  Speaker 1: autobiographies is Get in the Van by Henry Rollins. Now,
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  Speaker 1: when I was a kid in a touring band, this
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  Speaker 1: was kind of our how to manual. Now, nothing we
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  Speaker 1: ever did was as intense as what Henry and Black
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  Speaker 1: Flag had to do in the eighties, but we knew
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  Speaker 1: in North Star when we saw it, and this was it.
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  Speaker 1: Black Flag were like pilgrims as far as punk rock
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  Speaker 1: and hardcore music is concerned. They went out and they
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  Speaker 1: created They didn't only just tour, They went out and
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  Speaker 1: they created a circuit that is still still being used today.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is in the eighties, which is insane,
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  Speaker 1: and this book has it all, it's fantastic. I highly
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  Speaker 1: recommend it if you have not read it, even if
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  Speaker 1: you could give a shit about punk rock or Black Flag.
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  Speaker 1: Henry Ronalds is one of the most entertaining writers that
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  Speaker 1: I've ever come across. He's fantastic. Now. Another one one
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  Speaker 1: that I was surprised by recently is I Am Brian
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  Speaker 1: Wilson by Brian Wilson, a book that I read last
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  Speaker 1: year after Brian died and before hurrying out an episode
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  Speaker 1: on Brian in a fit of inspiration. This book really
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  Speaker 1: blew me away. First of all, I already knew the
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  Speaker 1: story like the back of my hand before I read it.
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  Speaker 1: Most people do. But the telling of Brian's story by
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  Speaker 1: Brian Wilson is about as honest and vulnerable a depiction
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  Speaker 1: as you could hope for in an autobiography. And the
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  Speaker 1: man's voice, My God, that voice, all the childlike wonder
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  Speaker 1: and unpretentious genius of the Beach Boys songs, of the
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  Speaker 1: Brian Wilson songs that you love, It's all on full
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  Speaker 1: display in every single passage in this book. This book,
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  Speaker 1: like the best songs by its author, will make you cry.
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  Speaker 1: It's great. I highly recommend it. This next book, however,
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  Speaker 1: will make you puke, and that's Marilyn Manson's The Long
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  Speaker 1: Hard Road out of Hell. I've read a lot of
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  Speaker 1: rockstar autobiographies, and never have I read one like this.
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  Speaker 1: The man is practically begging to be hauled off to jail.
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  Speaker 1: Marilyn Manson aka Brian Warner is an evil genius, and
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  Speaker 1: he really leans into the evil in this book. I
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  Speaker 1: took this information about as far as I could in
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  Speaker 1: our Marilyn Manson episode without before completely grossing myself out.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot in this book that I didn't get,
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  Speaker 1: and you know it's a lot in the episode that's presented.
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  Speaker 1: You know, my point of view is not his point
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  Speaker 1: of view, especially on him, as you'll hear when you
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  Speaker 1: hear the Marri Manson episode if you haven't heard it already,
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  Speaker 1: so check that out. The road map, however, for Manson's
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  Speaker 1: autobiography is Motley Cruz Dirt by my guy Neil Strauss,
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  Speaker 1: which kind of broke the mold for bad boy rock
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  Speaker 1: star tell als I didn't grow up a fan of
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  Speaker 1: Motley Crue, or of hair Metal or any of that
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  Speaker 1: lame mass spandex cliche sunset strip rock and roll rockstar bullshit.
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  Speaker 1: I grew up on punk and hardcore, so these guys
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  Speaker 1: were the opposite of what I was into or even
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  Speaker 1: what I was willing to tolerate as a young man.
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  Speaker 1: As a young man, I get it now, and I
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  Speaker 1: can take it now objectively. When this book came out, though,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, I was still a young man and
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  Speaker 1: I was still kind of, you know, in the throes
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  Speaker 1: of of punk and hardcore. And I read it anyways,
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  Speaker 1: and the only reason I read it was I was
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: staying at my friend Julie Duffy's place in Manhattan. At
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  Speaker 1: the time. Julie was tour manager for like some huge artists,
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  Speaker 1: like she still is, but at the time I think
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  Speaker 1: she was on the road with Justin Timberlake or John Cougar,
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  Speaker 1: Mellen Camp something like that. Anyway, she'd be on the
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  Speaker 1: road all the time, and she would just let me
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: stay at her place on the Upper west Side, which sorry,
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: Upper east Side, east Side, Yeah, Upper east Side. It
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  Speaker 1: was great, super generous, thanks Stuffy, still appreciate it. But
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  Speaker 1: I was there one day and I think I had
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  Speaker 1: a show that night or a meeting or something, and
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  Speaker 1: I had nothing to do, and she had this book
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  Speaker 1: in her apartment, and it was one of those things
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  Speaker 1: where I just dropped my bag and I opened up
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  Speaker 1: the book just to check it out, and I started
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  Speaker 1: reading and I just didn't stop until I finished it.
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  Speaker 1: I read. I read it all the way through. Just incredible,
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  Speaker 1: and I loved it. It is out of control. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: forget about the Netflix series, forget about that. Read the
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  Speaker 1: book okay, and then read the Manson book if you
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  Speaker 1: haven't already, because you know, by Marilyn Manson standards, the
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  Speaker 1: Motley Creue autobiography is almost cute by comparison. Okay, these
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  Speaker 1: next two. I was trying to get my thoughts together
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  Speaker 1: about these next two, and I scribbled down this in
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  Speaker 1: my notes today Chuck Berry's Autobiography and Glow by Rick James.
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  Speaker 1: I was forced to reckon with a question that I
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  Speaker 1: had encounter for the rest of my career. How the
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  Speaker 1: hell did these guys admit all of this and get
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  Speaker 1: away with it and not end up in jail? I
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  Speaker 1: wrote that down too quickly, because obviously, if anybody knows,
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  Speaker 1: it's me. They both went to jail. And these the
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: details in these books is the reason why. The more
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  Speaker 1: interesting question is how did they end up being sort
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  Speaker 1: of accepted back into I don't want to say polite society,
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: I guess with Chuck Berry. I mean, yeah, before Chuck
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  Speaker 1: Berry died, there was this massive event for him at
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  Speaker 1: the the the John F. Kennedy Memorial Library in Boston.
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  Speaker 1: I remember it, and you know, a lot of a
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: lot of you know, Boston women areas anyways, were there,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember just thinking that I had a little
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  Speaker 1: fomo because I wasn't there, and I probably could have
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  Speaker 1: figured out how to finagle my way in at the time,
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  Speaker 1: but I just didn't. But on the same at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, I was also kind of like, what, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you guys all know what this guy did, right, Like
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  Speaker 1: you know, not right, I know, you know you're too
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  Speaker 1: smart not to know. You know, we're just ignoring it.
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  Speaker 1: It's all in this book. It's crazy. It's crazy. And
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  Speaker 1: I know he invented rock and roll. And I know
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  Speaker 1: that's a controversial statement. I didn't say it, Flipping Lee.
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  Speaker 1: I actually believe that. But yeah, he also did some
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  Speaker 1: pretty pretty pretty fucked up stuff and admitted to it
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  Speaker 1: and in a lot of cases didn't apologize for it.
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  Speaker 1: Rick James never really had it, was never really involved
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  Speaker 1: with polite society. I don't think even even in the seventies,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe but not really. And then but still,
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  Speaker 1: you know, after all the stuff with the abduction of
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  Speaker 1: women and the burning them with crack pipes, and it's
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  Speaker 1: still Rick James, bitch, you know what I mean, like
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  Speaker 1: it was, He's still kind of a cultural touch point.
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  Speaker 1: And when you read this book, in particular Glow by
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  Speaker 1: Rick James as opposed to Chuck Berry's autobiography Glow by
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  Speaker 1: Rick James, which was finished after he died, if I
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  Speaker 1: if I'm remembering correctly, so it's not a pure autobiography,
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  Speaker 1: but man, man, oh man, what he admits to in
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  Speaker 1: the pages of this book are shocking, shocking, and I
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  Speaker 1: needed a break after I read it, that's how shocking
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  Speaker 1: it was. So those are a few. There's a ton
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: ton of others, a ton of others. If you're in
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: the mid century New York and mafia history, then Tommy
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: James is me the Mob and music. That's a must read.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Rod Stewart's Rod is surprisingly readable and smart. Keith Richards's
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Life is practically canon at this point. Also, Keith wrote
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  Speaker 1: it with author J. R. Moherringer, if that's how you
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  Speaker 1: pronounce it. JR. Mohringer also has a memoir called The
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Tender Bar. It's about his life and it is incredible.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: Not a music book, but it's incredible. I think I
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: think that's the one that George Clooney and Ben Affleck
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: aflac Affleck, Affleck, Ben Affleck. Why can't I say that
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden turned into a movie The Tender
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Bar filmed it up in? Where'd they film it? Sean
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: Salem helped me out? Is it Salem? Where they filmed?
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: I think they've didn't sale somewhere up there haverl something
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  Speaker 1: like that. Similarly, I believe Henry Rollins ghost wrote David
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  Speaker 1: Lee Ross's autobiography, but I'm not sure about that. If
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  Speaker 1: anyone wants to track that down and let me know,
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  Speaker 1: it'd be super appreciated. And so here's a couple more
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  Speaker 1: that I'm just I haven't read, but I'm psyched to read.
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  Speaker 1: Kerry Brownstein's Hunger Makes Me a Modern Girl, Richard Hell's
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: I Dreamed I Was a Very Clean Tramp, and Melissa
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: off DeMar's new nineties memoir Even the Good Girls Will Cry.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm also related to that because Melissa was in whole.
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  Speaker 1: I am stoked. I'm just stoked, very excited to see
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  Speaker 1: this Courtney Love documentary when and if it ever comes out,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: which the rumors are it's coming out this year, let's hope.
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  Speaker 1: So all right, But I think if you're asking me
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  Speaker 1: what my favorite musician autobiography or memoir is in terms
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  Speaker 1: of pure enjoying, it kind of an unconventional choice here,
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  Speaker 1: but I think I would have to say Beastie Boys
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  Speaker 1: book by Michael Diamond and Adam Horowitz, which is about
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  Speaker 1: as inventive as you can get. That said, it's not
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  Speaker 1: just an autobiography, yes, it kind of is. It's part memoir.
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  Speaker 1: It's also part oral history, with accounts from folks who
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  Speaker 1: were there with the Beasti's during their formative and the
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  Speaker 1: most impactful moments in their careers. It's also part scrap book,
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  Speaker 1: it's part mix tape. It's just incredible, and the band
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  Speaker 1: doesn't shy away from their worst moments, specifically the honesty
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  Speaker 1: that they bring to the less than noble way in
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  Speaker 1: which they treated original drummer Kate Shamanbach, or the embarrassing
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  Speaker 1: way in which they handled becoming the dick joke that
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: they were trying to tell with license to ill. All
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  Speaker 1: that said, if you're a fan of eighties nineties culture,
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  Speaker 1: not just hip hop music, not Beastie Boys fans, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: you're just a fan of that history, that time in
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: America and culture, this book's great. It's just great, truly
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  Speaker 1: great inventive storytelling, and it is worth a place on
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  Speaker 1: your shelf, if not in your beach bag this summer. Again,
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  Speaker 1: even if you're not a Beastie Boys fan, I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: bring it to the beach. It's a good book, good
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  Speaker 1: like hardcover, you know what I mean. I wouldn't ruin
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: it with all that sand, all that stuff, all right, So,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: as you guys know, on the subject, still, Seth writes
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of stories and disgrace and so there's a
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  Speaker 1: whole slew of musician autobiographies that he's read that I haven't,
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  Speaker 1: and some real classics like Peter Hook from New Order's
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: book and Robbie and Levon from the band their books.
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  Speaker 1: And Zeth is also the man who helms Hollywood Land,
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  Speaker 1: so he's read more memoirs and autobiographies from Hollywood than
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  Speaker 1: I have. But I don't think he's read aero Flynn's autobiography.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: I also don't think he's read You'll Never make Love
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: in this Town again like I have. So I'm excited
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: to talk to Zeth about his favorites, including those from
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: La La Land, not just for music, in the exclusive
• 19:02
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  Speaker 1: we just announced this week, Rewind episodes are now hitting
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: on Sunday's people. Okay, Sunday, Sunday Sunday. So this Sunday,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: while you're up, you know, up late in the morning,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: you know, making your eggs and baky or whatever, cheppening
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: your kids around in the car, chilling in the garden
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: out back, whatever you're doing this Sunday, Fire up your
• 19:39
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• 19:43
  Speaker 1: This weekend, we're headed down the seven mile Road of
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Excess and Cocaine Anamos with Stevie Nicks and the rest
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: of Fleetwood Mac. You're gonna wanna, You're gonna want to
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: be there with us. You want You're gonna want to
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: come on this trip with us, all right, and next week,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: next week after that, it is finally here at the
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: launch of our new season, our new episode on Patti Smith,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: and I cannot wait for you to hear this opus
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: that we've put together. It's about as true crime and
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: rock and roll as you can get. And when you're listening,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: be thinking about your favorite rock and roll memoirs or
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: music history autobiographies and come back to me with your recommendations,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: even if they're ones that we've already spoken about. Sometimes
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: getting consensus on a book is critical to getting someone
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: to crack open said book. And I really want to
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: inspire a solid summer reading list here for you guys
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and myself over the course of this this episode in
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the next after party. So next week's question of the
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: week is going to be which musician memoir or autobiography
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: would you recommend? Six one seven, nine oh six six
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  Speaker 1: and more. All right back in the saddle down on
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  Speaker 1: the corner out on the street, sitting in the waiting room. Aha,
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  Speaker 1: in the phone booth, it's the one across the hall.
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  Speaker 1: I'm hanging on the telephone with you guys. Six one seven,
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  Speaker 1: nine oh six sixty sixty three eight. Let's check out
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: what Lily has to say in Northern California.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: This is Lily from Roland, California, just responding to the
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: episode from last week about that's the question about favorite
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: movie soundtrack, And man, I have a couple in mine,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: but I think insure Land is my favorite. Also, that
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: movie is so underrated, but I mean the soundtrack really
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: just has so many amazing songs, like from the Replacements,
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: all of an Underground Bowie, New York Doll, Big Star,
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, just incredible. And I just love that movie
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  Speaker 3: so much. I discovered it a kind of a formative
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: place in my life and it just has stuck with
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: me ever since. And also it's just such an underrated
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: movie all around, great cast, just great cinematography everything. I
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: love that movie so much. But some of my other
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: picks for best soundtrack were Empire Records Pump Up the
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Volume Pretty in Pink, Donny Darko, Twenty Century Women, I mean,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: and of course Almost Famous, which is also one of my.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Other favorite movies. Lily, thank you for the message. I
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: think you're intending Zeth to get that message. But since
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Beeth and I have this soundtrack conversation that is ongoing,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I thought I would jump in here because you mentioned
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Adventureland and I've never seen adventure Land ever, and I
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: love your depiction of the movie in the soundtrack and
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: your passion for it, and I am inspired to watch
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: it now and maybe it will end up being an
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: episode of our video podcast. This film should be played loud.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: So thanks to the message, I want to talk to Seth.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna let him know to check it out as well.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: All right, let's see what the three two three has
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: to say.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Jake, there is no britpop without these two bands, Stone
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Roses and Inspiral Carpets. In fact, Noel Gallagher was the
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: guitar tack for the Inspiral Carpets and wrote many of
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: those Oasis songs while tecking for the Carpets. Also, you
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: need to look into the Happy Mondays, specifically the recording
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: of one of their albums in Barbados. They literally sold
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: furniture from the recording studio to buy crack stories of
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: driving cars to the front of bars. It's fucking wild anyway,
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: love the.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Show, all right, three two three, Thank you so much
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: for the message you know in Spiral Carpets. I did
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  Speaker 1: mention them. Actually, I don't know if I mentioned them
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: in the Oasis episode. I knew Noel Gallagher guitar TechEd
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: for them, and that that's where the Oasis songs first
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: came together. I might not have even mentioned them, but
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I did. I do remember reading about them in that research.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I hear I hear you on the importance
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: of the band given uh, given what they meant for
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: nol An Oasis and in Oasis lore, and I cannot
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: wait to get into this Happy Monday story. You sound stoked.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I'm stoked it's gonna be. I think I'm not the
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: next one I research and write, but within the next handful. Okay,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: So that means it'll be out this year at some point.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Thanks for the call. Three two three, all right, guys
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: six one six six, six three eight. You want to
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: get in touch with me about anything, You can voicemail,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: you can text, you can call me. You can text me,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: you can email me disgracelanmdpod at gmail dot com. Jason
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: for the four one six texts in with hey love
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the podcast, Happy anniversary. Listening to the latest episode and
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: thinking about the rock and roll books that started it
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: all for me, and it is No One Here Gets
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Out Alive by Danny Sugarman and Jerry Hopkins. I remember
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: reading it one summer when I was in my middle
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: teenage years, working as an attendant behind a desk in
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: the change room of my local pool, handing out towels.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: In fact, I think all the guys that worked at
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: the pool read this book because we passed that old
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: dog eared paperback around all summer. Since then, I've read
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: many rock and roll bios and autobios, so when I
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: discovered your podcast, Disgraceland, it was a no brainer for me,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: and I've been listening ever since. Rock and Roller No
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: One Here Gets Out a Live one of the seminal
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: biographies rock and Roll Biographies by Jim Morrison. I think
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: that's the book that Oliver Stone based most of the
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: movie on. Anyways, and man, it must have hit you
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: four one six at the exact at right time. I
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: feel like just teenage boys in the I don't know
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: how we'll do R Jason in the sort of eighties nineties.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: That was that was a sweet spot for being turned
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: on to Jim Morrison from the Doors. Sounds like that's
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: exactly what happened at the pool you're working at too.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Seven seven four Texan just finished the dead episodes. Good shit,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I've been ahead my whole life. I grew up a
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: hardcore kid in the Worcester area in the nineties. I
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: wish cast Irn, I wish cast Iron Hike had one
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: more album, would love another reunion. Thanks for all the
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: enjoyment Dan Dan in the seven seven four. Thanks brother,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: that ain't happening unfortunately, but uh it's nice to know
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: people care. And if you saw if you went to
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: see cast Irn night back in the day, thank you
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: and happy you're a deadhead. I like how I like
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: that trajectory from punk kid to deadhead. It makes sense.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Doesn't feel like it makes sense, but trust me it does.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Six four six Good morning, love Foof, but love Nirvana
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: way more. Yeah, I guess taste this taste right. You're
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: gonna listen to something more than you're going to listen
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: to something else based on your taste. The more I've
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: been listening to food Fighters and doing this research over
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, is the more I come
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: to realize, you know, I'm kind of food Fighters first
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: two albums, those are the records I like. I've never really,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I've never sought out food Fighters music on my own
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: to listen to after that until probably the last few years,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: and every time I would hear a single, I'd just
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: kind of be like the same for me. And what
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I realized is the singles that come, you know, on
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: the third, fourth albums and beyond, they weren't necessarily made
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: for me. They were made for the world at large,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: and they were made to be delivered on stage in stadiums.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: And I think what changed for me was I saw
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I've seen food Fighters live and that that had That
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: had a lot to do with changing it, because I
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: loved those songs that I previously didn't like hearing them live,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the bigness of them. But even before that, before I
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: saw them live, I saw that Wembley Stadium gig that
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: they did. I think it was an HBO special or
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: something that ran it, and it was incredible. It's just
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: amazing and uh it really it really gave me a
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: new appreciation for the Foo Fighters and and I kind
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: of didn't realize why until now because I'm so deep
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: in it in the research. Anyhow, that's my take. I
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: love Nirvana as well. I've gone back and I kind
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: of I listened to Nevermind for the first time in
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: a long long time as an album the other night
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: when I was waiting to get on the plane, and
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: my god, it's so good. It's explosive. All three of
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: the records are incredible for different reasons, and they're all different,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like that they're really those that run
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: of records. Man, it's just great. They're not repeating themselves
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: in any way. But that one, that one, My goodness.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Nine one text and Hey, Jake, absolutely love your show.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Amazing work. I'd really love to hear an episode on
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Shannon Hoon and Blind Melon definitely the most underrated beautiful
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: band from the nineties. Thank you, keep up the good work.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Nine four one you were in luck. We've got a
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Shannon Hoon episode coming your way a couple of months.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Sammy Sami from the seven six' five text and, HEY
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: i know this subject is literally two years too, Late
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: BUT i love that in The Mariah carey, episode you
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: specifically Mentioned I'm real by J lo And Jah rule
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: because the drum beat at the beginning of each segment
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: after a break in the bonus episodes always makes me
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: think of the drum beat to the beginning Of I'm
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: real and then that's stuck in my head for. Eternity Best,
• 29:47
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• 29:50
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• 30:45
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  Speaker 1: in music history and Not Dolly. Parton IF i did,
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  Speaker 1: Dolly parton episode and make it Disgrace. SANDY i THINK
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• 32:06
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  Speaker 1: zeth AND i DOCTOR. Lundi that, is we're gonna be
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: doing television and movie. Recommendations some of the music based
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the music based over in the rap
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: parties that are happening in The hollywood land feed every.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Week AND i have got a. Show, Okay i'm done
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  Speaker 1: that that dumb show THAT i loved so, much And
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: i'm now very upset it's. Gone BUT i have a
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: new show and it's way. Better AND i don't have,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: to you, know tell People i'm watching it in hushed
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: tones Because i'm embarrassed by. It not THAT i was
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: embarrassed by Watching Love. STORY i don't give fuck what
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: people think about WHAT i watch on television and everybod
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: but he deserves a good guilty. Pleasure who AM i
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: to deny myself of? That but this show That i'm
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: watching is awesome AND i meant to watch it years.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Ago it came out about four or five years, AGO i,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: think AND i just missed. IT i missed, IT i
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: think BECAUSE i didn't have My hulu password or. SOMETHING
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: i don't know what the reason. Was BUT i haven't
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: even Told zeth about this BECAUSE i can't wait for
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: his eye. Roll But i'm going to convince him that it's,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: great And i'm going to get him to watch it
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: and hopefully get you guys to watch it as. Well
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: and there's some good music. Involved, okay that's going to
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: be happening over in The Rap party starting next. Week
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be doing our recommendations over. There most of our,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: RECOMMENDATIONS i should, say because BEFORE i get to the
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: because speaking Of zeth In, Hollywoodland zeth does The Rap.
• 33:48
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• 33:51
  Speaker 1: that week's, subject like for, instance this week it's It's
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Brandon lee From The. Crow and then he comes in
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: with The Rap party bonus episode where he does sort
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: of expanded take and talks to you guys and get
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: to your feedback on that week's subject Again Brandon. Lee
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: and then at the end of the week he does
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: what's called the Screening room where he teas up a
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: movie that we're all going to be watching that weekend
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: and talking about when he comes back the following week
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: with the wrap. Party, okay so it's all kind of
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: strung together, there and this weekend we're all Watching The
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: crow With Brandon. Lee so there you. Go that's what's
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: happening over. There get into the Hollywood land feed on
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: The iHeart podcast, App apple Podcast. Spot if wherever you're
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: listening to, podcasts make sure you subscribe to Hollywood. Land
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: the recommendations are in part kind of low. Key the
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: THING i love talking, about you, know, music and film
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: together is kind of right up there music and crime,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: obviously but rex you know what it's. Like you get,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: out you see your, friends what are you? Watching what
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: do you listen? To?
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Do you?
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Know you can't wait to talk about? It And zeth
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: AND i are gonna start to do that with more
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: frequency over in the wrap, Party so make sure you're
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: subscribed To Hollywood.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Okay one of the Things i'm gonna start doing here
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: going forward in the after parties are these song. RECOMMENDATIONS
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: i have found that in this attention economy that we're living,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: IN i often like it when somebody recommends a song
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: to me now rather than a new artist THAT i haven't.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Heard it's just so, overwhelming like where do you even?
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Start you know WHAT i? Mean and everything's all messed
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: up now because if you go To, spotify you're not
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: gonna you're not gonna get introduced to an artist the
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: way that you got introduced to it as a. Kid you,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: know you're gonna get like their most downloaded, whatever which
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: could be just because it was covered by, somebody you
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: know What i'm. Saying SO i like it when somebody
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: just recommends a song to. Me so that's been spinning
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: around in my brain. Lately the other thing that's been
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: spinning around in my brain lately is trying try to
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: not become a cliche old, guy middle aged, guy, whatever
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: guy who's just grumpy about new. Music at the same
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: TIME i am grumpy about new. Music you, know one
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: of the things about being a man is as you get,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: older you have to fight the urge to sort of
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: calcify into this version of yourself that never. Changes you.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Know it's a.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Stereotype i'm, generalizing but men kind of they just kind
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: of get stuck in their ways more than women. DO
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: i have found, Anyways i've certainly found this with. Myself
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: it's one of those THINGS i don't like about. Myself you.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Know we get long, lives short, lives however you look at.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: It we want them to be the best, lives the
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: most rich, lives the most robust. LIVES i know there's
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: great music being made and being released, constantly BUT i
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: do have real serious beef with modern. Music And i've
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: realized over the last couple of weeks my beef with
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: modern music is more about guitar based modern music rock and.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Roll first of, ALL i just can't stand the fact
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: that rock and, roll guitar based rock and, roll is
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: no longer part of popular. Culture it doesn't dominate or
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: lead popular culture the way that it did WHEN i
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: was growing, up AND i can't do anything about. That
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: on the same, Time i've realized that what's happened to
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: guitar music in the last two decades is this sort
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: of mass movement toward recording in the box and recording
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: with digital. Tools AND i don't mean just recording to
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: pro tools instead of. TAPE i mean using digital plugins
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: and apps as opposed to using outboard. Gear AND i
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: don't want to bore you with the technicality of it,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: all BUT i can hear the, difference and it's a bum.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Out you, know WHEN i listen to Led, zeppelin that
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: shit fucking blasts comes to. LIFE i was talking about
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: this couple weeks, ago you, guys if a kid wanted
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: to hear the beg's and Like Stan alive came on
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: AND i was just, like oh my, god this is.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Glorious not to mention the fact that everything is compressed
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: by the time we hear, it you, know into ones
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: and zeros On spotify Or apple or wherever we're streaming our,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: music even on the, radio which has always been. Compressed but,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: anyhow modern rock music suffers the most from, this and
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: everybody's doing it basically barely anyone records to tape anymore
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: except huge artists because it's super, expensive And god bless
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: up and coming new. Artists what are they gonna. Do
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: they gotta find a way to get their music out.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: There and that's just the economy we live. In that's
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: just how things are done, now that's where we're. At but,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: again rock music suffers the most because we're used to
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: hearing rock music be, huge, punk, hardcore classic, rock all.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Shit we grew up. Loving you, know if that's what
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: you're trying to get at as a as a guitar
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: based band now and you're recording in the, box you're
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: kind of. Fucked you're never gonna get that. Bigness it's really,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: difficult AND i don't like. It If i'm being, HONEST
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: i can hear it in a, SECOND i can spot
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: it a mile, away AND i don't like it Because
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: i'm Just i'm just just not What i'm used to.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Now on the other, hand when it comes to electronic,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: music electronic based, music electronic based produced. MUSIC i don't
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: mean like you, know E. EDM i don't mean like craft,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: work you, KNOW i mean LIKE r AND b hip
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: hop pop, music which for the last beyond two, decades
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: the last four, decades they've been using drum. Machines for
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: all the pop MUSIC i grew up with in the
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: eighties and nineties THAT i Love, madonna you, know all
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: that stuff was not reliant on big, guitars big sounding
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: guitars and big sounding. Drums and if there were big sounding,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: drums again it was it was created. Artificial SO i
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: find myself now walking through the, world walking into a
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: restaurant or just walking down the street and hearing a
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: car drive by with the windows rolled. Down and more
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: often than, not WHEN i hear things now AND i, go,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: oh what's that that's, interesting it's often always pop, music
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: top forty, music and it's not guitar. Based And i'm,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: finally for the first time in a long, time allowing
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: myself to be curious about this and, go wait a,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: minute wait a, minute wait a, minute, wait what is?
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: THIS i kind of like? This why DO i like?
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: This?
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: OH i like this because this is fucking. Awesome it
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter that they made it a year ago or
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: two months ago or three years or. Whatever it doesn't
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: matter that it's pop. Music it doesn't matter that IT'S
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: r AND. B it doesn't matter to me because in
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: the SEVENTIES i love The Beach, boys because in the
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: EIGHTIES i Love. Madonna because in the NINETIES i loved
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: En vogue And shade And. SEAL i didn't KNOW i
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Love seal until, recently BUT i love you know WHAT i.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: MEAN i loved that. STUFF i wasn't actively seeking it.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Out it was just, there and now WHEN i hear,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: IT i love. It So i'm not going to deprive
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: myself of modern music just because modern guitar music is
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: in a rut right. Now, now the good news, IS
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: i think modern guitar music is going to come. BACK
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: i really truly. DO i think the way it's recorded
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: is going to. Change you. Can't you, know when you
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: record with all of these you, know, electronic LIKE i,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: said outboard gear and plugins and everything is in the,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: box everything sounds the. Same and musicians are going to
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: get wise to that because listeners are going to get
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: wise to, that and they're going to stop. Listening and
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: then we're going to go back to this sort of
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty degrees back to recording in big
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: rooms in big. Studios how we're going to do, THAT
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: i don't, know but it'll, happen trust. Me so all
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: of that is a long way to say That i'm
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: gonna start. Recommending i'm gonna do this thing with you
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: guys every week called new, song old. Song, Okay i'm
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: gonna recommend one new song That i'm, into and you
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: can tell me If i'm crazy for liking, it or
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: you can tell me if you love, it and you
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: can recommend whatever new song or old song you wanna recommend.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Me i'm gonna recommend one old song okay as. Well,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: okay the old songs are. Easy there's a gazillion of,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: them and These i'm trying to pick songs Where i'm
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: trying to maintain this, vibe the spirit of like you
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: hear a song for the first time that day and
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: it just not only owns your, day it owns your.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Week you're, like, fuck, yeah, man where's that? Song you
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: grab your? FOOT i gotta hear that, song you know
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: WHAT i. Mean that's What i'm going for. Here so
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: we're gonna do the new song, first because that's gonna
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: be harder for. Me and then we're gonna do the old,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: song because that's gonna be easier for. Me you're gonna
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: do the hard things first in. Life new. Song ever
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: since you left, ME i went Deaf French. MONTANA i
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: didn't know this about myself until ABOUT i don't, know
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: two days. AGO i kind of Love French. MONTANA i
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: think there might even be a Disgrace land episode there
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: WHICH i might even be excited to. WRITE i don't,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: know BUT i love this fucking. Song it is. Fantastic
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: it's based on the riff that's the WAY i like
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: It casey in The Sunshine. Band it's, nasty it's, Dirty
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: it's gonna make. You it's gonna do what a great
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: song on a summer day is supposed to. Do it's
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: gonna make you want to drive fast and, drink not
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: necessarily in that, order or hopefully not in the reverse,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: order but you know What i'm getting at. Right it's
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: a fucking. Banger ever since you left, ME i went
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: deaf By French montana and someone Called max by WHO
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: i don't know. Who that is released in this year
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty, six a couple months Ago, january from an
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: album Called Coke wave three point Five. NARCOS i don't
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: know what the fuck that's, about but it sounds pretty
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: rock and roll to. Me so that's the new. Song
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: the old, song completely, different totally. Different what is That
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Food fighters? Song this isn't the. Song what is That
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Food fighter song that goes ah on The New day?
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Risin that song's. Okay WHEN i first heard that, SONG i, went,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: oh he's he Got New Day rising From Bob. MOLD
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: i guarantee that that phrase New Day rising is rolling
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: around In Dave girl's head because Of whoscerdo And Bob
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: mold And New Day. Rising just a great song and
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: a great. Album not What i'm, recommending BUT i am
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: going to recommend something. RELATED i am researching foods As
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: i've been talking, about AND i watched that documentary and
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: there's this part in like twenty sixteen, Ish Dave grol,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: turns you, know part of his house into a recording
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: studio and they do that Album Wasted light with, rope
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: great song that songs great rope By Foo fighters And
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: lo and behold There's Bob mould In Dave girl's house
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: recording with him and it's. Awesome it's. Great it's great
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: to See Bob mold behind the mic singing his ass
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: off in that way that Only Bob mold can. Sing
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: what a. Voice BUT i went back AND i looked
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: At New Day rising the album BECAUSE i just can't
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: listen to this record. Enough it is, NonStop no. Skips. Great,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: however the, song the one Song i'm pulling from this
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: this album to recommend to, you my old song recommendation
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Is Celebrated summer By whoskerdoo On New Day. Rising, now
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: if you haven't heard that, SONG i invite you to
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: throw that on the old stereo and turn it up
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: and roll your windows. Down so there you, go new.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Song ever since you left, ME i went deaf By
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: French montana and some dude Named MAX. B forgive, Me MAX.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: B i know not who you. Are maybe SOMEDAY i
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: will learn And New day excuse me Celebrated. Summer bye
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Bye Whosker. Doo all, right check those, out disgrace my
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• 45:35
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• 45:40
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• 45:43
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• 45:46
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• 45:48
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