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Jill Amy Sager – Guidance from the Universe · Vox Novus with Victor Fuhrman

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Speaker 1: Vox Novus, the New Voice, Vox Novus, the New Dimension.
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Speaker 1: Vox Novus thought and movement leaders who will share from
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Speaker 1: their experience and offer tools to help us navigate our
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Speaker 1: rapidly changing world. My name is Victor Furman. Welcome to
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Speaker 1: Vox Novus, the New Voice. Born with physical challenges that
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Speaker 1: shaped her path, Jill Amy Sager embraced her identity as
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Speaker 1: an outsider, channeling her challenges into a remarkable connection with Guidance,
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Speaker 1: a collective energy of love and wisdom she describes as
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Speaker 1: a radio frequency that's always on. This connection has led
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Speaker 1: her to help countless individuals navigate life's uncertainties through taro
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Speaker 1: and channeled readings. Jill's work isn't rooted in academic philosophy
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Speaker 1: or spiritual dogma, but in deep personal experiences and in
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Speaker 1: authentic connection with universal energy. Her insights are both accessible
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Speaker 1: and transformative. Her website is Jillamysager dot com, and she
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Speaker 1: joins me this week on Vox Novus to share her
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Speaker 1: path and new book, Guidance from the Universe, hopeful messages
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Speaker 1: for everyday challenges. Please join me in welcoming to Vox Novus.
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Speaker 1: Jill Amy Sager, Welcome, Jill.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 1: Victor Jill, please share with our listeners the challenges you
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Speaker 1: faced on your early path and how they shape your life.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow. Well, I was born with one leg shorter
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Speaker 2: than the other, and when I was nine years old,
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Speaker 2: my parents decided to lengthen that leg, which was more
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Speaker 2: of a risky surgery. It was a bit experimental, rather
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Speaker 2: than shortening the other leg. My leg, the left leg
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Speaker 2: was short, and it was normal, you know, it was
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Speaker 2: normal function. But after surgery, it took a bad turn.
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Speaker 2: Surgery didn't work, and so I was left more physically disabled,
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Speaker 2: not just wearing a lift on my shoe, but also
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Speaker 2: since then, I've had very minimal function of knee and
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Speaker 2: foot and there's a lot of nerve damage. I walk
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Speaker 2: with a very pronounced limp, and also developed scoliosis during
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Speaker 2: that time, which is curvature of the spine, just due
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Speaker 2: to being I think in and out of wheelchairs a lot.
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Speaker 2: There was a lot of healing that had to be
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Speaker 2: done between the ages of nine and twelve, and I
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Speaker 2: was in and out of hospitals, put into special schools,
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Speaker 2: living in the BRONX. I'm telling you all this because
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Speaker 2: I maybe it's my personality. Maybe it's the way my
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Speaker 2: parents treated me. They didn't treat me any different. I
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Speaker 2: learned to be very resilient, and I also learned to adapt.
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Speaker 2: And I also learned that I didn't want anything to
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Speaker 2: hold me back, including a physical disability. So although in
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Speaker 2: the sixties, this was in the sixties and the seventies,
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Speaker 2: growing up as a child and a teenager, that time
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Speaker 2: was not favorable to disabled people. I have to say
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Speaker 2: there were a lot of stares. It's a little different today.
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying disabled people don't have difficulties in terms
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Speaker 2: of how society sees us, but it was a lot
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Speaker 2: different back then. And I really although went through a
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Speaker 2: lot of self you know, I'm not going to say
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Speaker 2: self up, it's of self consciousness. Due to how people
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Speaker 2: perceived me, I was able to continue on with my
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Speaker 2: life and be somebody who believed perhaps more in myself
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Speaker 2: and what I could do than how people perceived me.
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Speaker 1: Your biography says that you embraced your identity as an outsider.
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Speaker 1: How did you see yourself in this role?
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Speaker 2: Well, when I became an adult, I started to realize
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Speaker 2: that my life was a bit of a perfect storm
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Speaker 2: around that I grew up Jewish in a neighborhood that
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Speaker 2: was predominantly Irish Catholic, so there was outside of you there.
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Speaker 2: I was physically grew up physically disabled, felt like an
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Speaker 2: outsider there. I also grew up my parents were not
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Speaker 2: college educated, working class people, and many of my relatives
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Speaker 2: were a lot wealthier I'll say not wealthy, but had
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Speaker 2: more money than we did in and out of hospitals,
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Speaker 2: being taken out of mainstream schools, I think a lot.
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Speaker 2: I mean, so that was I started to realize that
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Speaker 2: that view of feeling like an outid, that I was different,
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Speaker 2: came from a lot of aspects of my life, and
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people can relate to that
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Speaker 2: feeling outside. It made me. I didn't realize that it
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Speaker 2: made me think it was only me growing up that
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Speaker 2: I felt so different, walking around like everybody was looking
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Speaker 2: at me, Everybody looked so normal compared to me. Everybody's
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Speaker 2: life seems so much better than me. But as I
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Speaker 2: got older, I started to realize that being different, we're
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Speaker 2: all different, we're all unique, and to see it in
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Speaker 2: a different way, to switch perception and to see all
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Speaker 2: of us as unique and different really changed my life,
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Speaker 2: and that was a really a great turning point for me.
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Speaker 1: You call the energy that your channel the guidance. Why
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Speaker 1: do you call it that? And how did you get
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Speaker 1: started channeling?
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Speaker 2: Oh? Thanks for asking. Unexpectedly, I received Tarot cards in
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Speaker 2: the seven as I mentioned, a girl from a Jewish
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Speaker 2: girl from the Bronx had no idea what they were there.
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Speaker 2: Reading given to me was very special. I felt like
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Speaker 2: the cards knew me. And pretty soon after that the
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Speaker 2: same person who gave me the reading, a friend of mine,
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Speaker 2: gave me a deck of cards and I studied and studied.
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Speaker 2: I'm telling you this because I believe that over the
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Speaker 2: course of time of working with pictures, Tarot is a
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Speaker 2: pictorial modality. Obviously, my intuition really got very heightened, my
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Speaker 2: personal intuition. I was at that point reading for people,
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Speaker 2: not thinking I'd be a Tarot reader by profession. But
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Speaker 2: word had gotten out that I was doing this, and
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Speaker 2: my intuition grew. I trusted it. I was also a musician,
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Speaker 2: so I really believe that creative, intuitive side of the
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Speaker 2: brain is the reason that I started to hear these voices.
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Speaker 2: I will say it was unexpect did not expect to
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Speaker 2: start to get information from the universe. It wasn't what
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Speaker 2: I was seeking. And I think the other important piece
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Speaker 2: that created this in my life. But I was probably
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Speaker 2: in my thirties when this happened. I'm sixty eight now.
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Speaker 2: I also, when I moved to Oregon, I met a
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Speaker 2: woman who was a channeler slash psychic, and so seeing her,
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Speaker 2: it wasn't like I thought, Oh, I'm going to do
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Speaker 2: what she's doing, but it didn't seem so wacky weird
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Speaker 2: watching her have this insight, and it seemed just natural
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Speaker 2: for her. And I think it's like everything in life,
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Speaker 2: when we get support, when we see other people doing something,
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Speaker 2: it can give us the courage or just the interest.
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Speaker 2: And as I said, I didn't have the interest, but
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Speaker 2: it certainly when it happened to me. I didn't think,
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Speaker 2: oh I should turn this off, or because I I
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Speaker 2: had been with this person, a friend of mine, and
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Speaker 2: she was so loving and the information was so loving.
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Speaker 2: And that has been my experience ever since.
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Speaker 1: How does the information come to you? Are you a
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Speaker 1: clairvoyant or a clare audience or class entient or a
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Speaker 1: combination of those.
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Speaker 2: A combination, I would say, I get images that I
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Speaker 2: then have to explain. I also get direct words. I
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Speaker 2: also get feelings in my body that like a pendulum,
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Speaker 2: will let me know if I'm on the right track. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: all of that, and I will say that, you know
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Speaker 2: you asked about the name guidance. I had asked when
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Speaker 2: this all happened to me. I asked, what are you?
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Speaker 2: What should I call you? What is this? And the
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Speaker 2: only answer I got was, you can call us anything.
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Speaker 2: You can call us Mary, John, you can call us anything.
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Speaker 2: Names are a vibration and very just instinctively right away way,
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Speaker 2: I thought, okay, guidance, And you know, I looked up
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Speaker 2: that word in the dictionary. It just means help, as
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Speaker 2: we all know, and so I identify it that way as help.
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Speaker 2: But I also think I need to clarify that I
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Speaker 2: have never boxed in what this is. I don't know
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Speaker 2: what it is. What I remain in my own belief
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Speaker 2: system is that it's the wonder of what the universe offers,
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Speaker 2: and I have always just believe that it's love, because
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Speaker 2: that's what it is, unconditional love. And the messages are
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Speaker 2: very profound, more than I could possibly know in terms
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Speaker 2: of my you know, consciousness or what I know about life.
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Speaker 2: They're just very profound messages about different topics that actually
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Speaker 2: I have in my book, different kinds of issues. We
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Speaker 2: all grapple with, jealousy, judgment, those kinds of things. And
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Speaker 2: I use this help, this universal help for myself all
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Speaker 2: the time and for clients now these days. And I
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Speaker 2: have to say that it's something that I never turned
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Speaker 2: away from, and it's something that I've learned to accept,
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Speaker 2: even if I can't tell you specifically what it is.
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Speaker 1: And of course, within the word guidance, you have dance,
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Speaker 1: so you're dancing with the universe.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. That's great. Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely.
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Speaker 2: And I also think too, And I write this in
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Speaker 2: my book, which just came out in January. I don't
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Speaker 2: think what I'm saying is new. I went, you know,
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Speaker 2: this idea that we're getting love, whether people believe, you know,
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Speaker 2: they're getting it from angels or an ancestor or whatever.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's all fine. Like I said, for me,
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Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but I know it's
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Speaker 2: not just me and what I'm receiving and not just
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Speaker 2: for me. And I think that's why I say it's universal.
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Speaker 1: Does guidance have any type of apparition. Does it appear
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Speaker 1: to you in any way?
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Speaker 2: No, but I can feel sometimes I can feel them.
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Speaker 2: I feel it as a group. I don't feel it
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Speaker 2: as a singular thing or person or entity. So I
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Speaker 2: do feel it as a group. And although they never
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Speaker 2: come to me visually, there are moments when I'm working
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Speaker 2: with a client or even for myself that I feel there.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to say it this way. I don't know
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Speaker 2: how else does describe it, kind of their emotional an
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Speaker 2: emotional way that they have, even though they've told me
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Speaker 2: they don't have emotions on that side. But it's almost
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Speaker 2: like my way of interpreting it is sometimes I feel
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Speaker 2: sometimes I feel their frustration with us. Sometimes I feel
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Speaker 2: so much unconditional love, so much. I mean, it's it's
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Speaker 2: beyond words. And I also sometimes get their humor. You
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Speaker 2: know that that they're funny. So there is something going
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Speaker 2: on there that feels like there is some connection that's
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Speaker 2: beyond just that that is emotional, even though they've told
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Speaker 2: me they don't have emotions on that side.
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Speaker 1: And it's possible that you're using your chakras that are
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Speaker 1: related to emotions and to love the heart chakra and
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Speaker 1: to communication, the throat chakra in the process of doing so,
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Speaker 1: and that's how you feel it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true. Perhaps that's that's a good, good thought.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what did guidance offer you on your path after
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Speaker 1: your initial connection?
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Speaker 2: Wow? I you know you asked that question, and I
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Speaker 2: got teary eyed. It was initially unconditional love and help
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Speaker 2: like very concrete, very concrete like taro offers us insight
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Speaker 2: about ourselves that helps us if we're willing to grow
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Speaker 2: and change and transform. And that's how I felt about guidance.
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Speaker 2: Like I'll give you an example. I maybe because of
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Speaker 2: the way I was brought up, maybe because of my disability.
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Speaker 2: It was not always easy right, And at some point
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Speaker 2: I realized that I was a depressive kind of person.
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Speaker 2: I would wake up in the morning and I didn't
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Speaker 2: feel light. I always felt heavy. I was able to function.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't that I couldn't get out of bed, but
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Speaker 2: I just didn't feel happy or joyful. And this went
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Speaker 2: on for many years, it felt like, and then it
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Speaker 2: got to a point I can't remember the year where
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Speaker 2: a lot of people I knew a lot of were
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Speaker 2: getting on antidepressants. And I'm the kind of person who
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Speaker 2: if you look at my medicine cabinet. I have ibuprof
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Speaker 2: and I don't take anything. I don't even like to
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Speaker 2: take anything. And I remember thinking, but oh, maybe that's
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Speaker 2: what I need, like I personally need antidepressants. And I
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Speaker 2: remember going to guidance asking this question and they said, no,
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Speaker 2: you'll find another way. Now, I want to sidebar. Let
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Speaker 2: you know that I this is not a cult for me.
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Speaker 2: I do not just do everything that they tell me
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Speaker 2: to do. I don't prescribe to all of what they
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Speaker 2: offer me. It has to resonate with me. It has
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Speaker 2: to feel right. But they planted a seed and I
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Speaker 2: thought about that for a while, and it turned out
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Speaker 2: that they were right. That I did find another way.
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Speaker 2: I found other ways through mindful meditation. I found other
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Speaker 2: ways through being somebody who started to read books, self
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Speaker 2: help books, those kinds of things must have been in
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Speaker 2: the eighties, right and nineties, and other ways that I found.
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Speaker 2: And I am a different person today without medicine. I'm
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Speaker 2: not saying that other people don't need it, but for me,
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Speaker 2: it was the right, It was the right thing to
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Speaker 2: listen to. And I'm so grateful because what I changed
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Speaker 2: was deeply about myself, and I learned how to love myself,
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Speaker 2: to not take myself too seriously, to really honor and
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Speaker 2: accept who I am in a way that I couldn't
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Speaker 2: have imagined.
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Speaker 1: And if you just went with that, you would have
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Speaker 1: succeeded in life. But you have to bring this gift
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Speaker 1: to others. So tell me about how you combine TWR
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Speaker 1: reading with guidance in your sessions.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Thanks, I do bring this to others what I've
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Speaker 2: learned and what I continue to learn, and so I
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Speaker 2: do love Taro. I still use the cards. I don't
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Speaker 2: need them per se because I do channel information. I
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Speaker 2: get information from the universe for clients now, but I
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Speaker 2: do use cards. I'll spread them out for a client
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Speaker 2: and then it's a combination now of what I receive
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Speaker 2: from the universe for my clients and also what I
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Speaker 2: see in the cards. And the other thing that comes
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Speaker 2: through now are the things that I've learned personally, And
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Speaker 2: a lot of times that's what guidance says, just you know,
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Speaker 2: just tell them this, you know, and what I mean
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Speaker 2: by this, the things that I've learned. Because there are
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Speaker 2: general nobody is the same. We all have our different
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Speaker 2: ways of moving through the world. Obviously I'm stating the obvious,
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Speaker 2: but there are some similarities that we have. You know,
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Speaker 2: we feel stuck at times, and guidance has helped me
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Speaker 2: to see what that is. What does it mean to
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Speaker 2: be stuck? And what they've said is nobody really is.
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Speaker 2: It feels like that, but we are always moving, We're not.
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Speaker 2: The word stuck isn't maybe the best word to use.
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Speaker 2: And so that's an example of something that they've taught
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Speaker 2: me that I can tell a client per se when
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Speaker 2: they say when they use that word, because you know, Victor,
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Speaker 2: we all know everybody listening probably knows words have a
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Speaker 2: lot of power.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely well, when a client comes to you, what do
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Speaker 1: they benefit from the Taro or Channeld reading. What are
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Speaker 1: some of the things that clients learn in that process?
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Speaker 2: Well, like I said, there was one example about being stuck.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes there is a simple change of perception. That is
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Speaker 2: I think the biggest gift that guidance has given me.
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Speaker 2: You know, you asked about that earlier, and I think
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Speaker 2: for clients too, like stuck for instance, going back to
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Speaker 2: that to tell somebody, you know, you're not really stuck,
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Speaker 2: You're just in a place where you don't know something
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Speaker 2: or you feel like you don't have an answer. And
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Speaker 2: I think that when I think that perception, how we
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Speaker 2: perceive our lives and how we perceive ourselves is maybe
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Speaker 2: the basis for me of the beginning of change. And
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Speaker 2: in my book Guidence gave me the first chapter they
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Speaker 2: said awareness is all and I absolutely believe that. So
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Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing that I offer with my
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Speaker 2: readings has to do with a perceptive change. Let's look
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Speaker 2: at this in a different way. Like example, I'll have
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Speaker 2: clients who come and I will say sidebar here again.
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Speaker 2: I don't like to advertise that I'm psychic per se
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Speaker 2: because I think that word conjures up a lot of
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Speaker 2: things that are just not just not okay in my
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Speaker 2: belief system, you know, like future predicting. But it can happen.
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Speaker 2: It can happen. Yet I do still get clients who
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Speaker 2: will come and ask me, oh, will Joe come back
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Speaker 2: to me? I so love him and we're taking a break,
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Speaker 2: will he come back? And I will always tell that client,
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Speaker 2: you know, rather than focusing on that question, because that's
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Speaker 2: your future. And in my world, I feel like if
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Speaker 2: I answer that question with a yes, then your expectation
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Speaker 2: is high. You'll be looking for it, you'll miss other things.
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Speaker 2: If I say no, you'll be disappointed, like what is
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Speaker 2: that there's no point? But what I do say to
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Speaker 2: that client is let's figure out why or what this
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Speaker 2: means to you, Like why is it so important? Or
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Speaker 2: what can you learn from waiting for this person or
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Speaker 2: for even putting your attention and focusing your attention on
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Speaker 2: that person rather than yourself. So that's what I mean.
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Speaker 2: That's an example of a perceptive change.
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Speaker 1: If someone wanted to learn how to receive messages from
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Speaker 1: the universe, how would you advise them to begin?
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Speaker 2: I love that question. I actually believe. I don't know
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Speaker 2: if other people think this, but there are a few
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Speaker 2: things I believe about this one. I believe that it's
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Speaker 2: really the blocks that get in the way of this,
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Speaker 2: that we have blocks that don't allow for this. Fear, resistance,
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Speaker 2: religious upbringing, being skeptical, being thinking I can't do it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there are a lot of blocks, I think,
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Speaker 2: so being aware of the blocks and working with those,
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Speaker 2: I think helps. I think the other thing has to
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Speaker 2: do with practice. Practice in simple ways, practice in fun ways,
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Speaker 2: ask for a message, ask for help more often. I
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Speaker 2: think a lot of us have this perception that help
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Speaker 2: is limited. Oh, someone else needs it more than me. Well,
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Speaker 2: you know, according to guidance, there's enough help to go around.
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Speaker 2: And I also think again, like Sidebarwin, we are wondering
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Speaker 2: if I deserve the help or if I you know,
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Speaker 2: it's because someone else is suffering more. In a way,
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Speaker 2: we're kind of judging how things are rather than just
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Speaker 2: focusing on the fact that everybody can get, you know,
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Speaker 2: what they need with the help that's available. So I
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Speaker 2: think that asking for things more often, looking for signs
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Speaker 2: and symbols, and that helps us to open up a
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Speaker 2: little bit. I think I remember sitting when I was practicing.
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Speaker 2: I remember sitting on a river at a river, and
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Speaker 2: it was a clear blue sky, and I was going
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Speaker 2: through a very difficult period, and I asked the universe
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Speaker 2: what I needed to know, and right then across my
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Speaker 2: vision was a butterfly. I mean, there had been nothing
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Speaker 2: across my vision, and this butterfly went from one side
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Speaker 2: of the bank to the other, and I thought, oh, okay,
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Speaker 2: I'm in a place of transforming, of transition. It helped
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Speaker 2: me to put my life in perspective rather than being
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Speaker 2: so twitter painted about it. I think the other thing
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Speaker 2: too about asking is I don't I believe there's nothing
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Speaker 2: too small or too large, so go for it. I
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Speaker 2: have friends that used to say, Jill, people pray for
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Speaker 2: world peace, you're just praying for a good parking spot.
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Speaker 2: You know. It doesn't mean I'm going to get it,
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Speaker 2: but I can certainly ask for it. I'm to say
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Speaker 2: I don't want to walk. This is when there were
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Speaker 2: maybe you know, not that many disabled parking spots. I'm
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Speaker 2: going to costco. You better believe I don't want to
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Speaker 2: get stuck way out in the boonies. That's hard for me.
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Speaker 2: So you know, I asked for a parking spot. So
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Speaker 2: I think that's the other thing. I think, you know,
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Speaker 2: practice have fun with it. And then the third thing
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Speaker 2: in answering to your question has to do with opening
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Speaker 2: up our non rational brain, you know, the right side,
22:51
Speaker 2: and being less I think many of us are very
22:55
Speaker 2: you know, left brain. We're rational, we want answers, we
22:58
Speaker 2: want to know. We're looking for a concrete in the box.
23:03
Speaker 2: You know everything about time, about answers, about choices, And
23:08
Speaker 2: I think that opening up a little bit more to
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Speaker 2: the wonder, being a little less conscious of how things
23:18
Speaker 2: have to go and being more open to how things
23:22
Speaker 2: might go is helpful. I think it's Deeprok Choper that
23:26
Speaker 2: says meaningful coincidences right, that puts a different spin when
23:30
Speaker 2: things happen. We go, oh, that's just a coincidence. We
23:33
Speaker 2: take that, you know, for granted. But he's saying, no,
23:36
Speaker 2: I mean, look at it in a different way. Is
23:38
Speaker 2: it a coincidence? Is it meaningful? So? I think starting
23:43
Speaker 2: to work in a way that when you are more rational, Oh,
23:48
Speaker 2: I can only get money if I save a dollar
23:51
Speaker 2: every day. Well, I learned a long time ago that
23:54
Speaker 2: even that is fluid, that I actually never know how
23:58
Speaker 2: money's going to come. Saying I don't save that would
24:01
Speaker 2: be foolhardy not to put money away. But there are
24:04
Speaker 2: other ways money can come, and I've had that experience.
24:09
Speaker 2: So it's not always that we think. I think testing
24:15
Speaker 2: ourselves a little bit more, letting things go a little
24:19
Speaker 2: bit more, being less controlling. I think these are things
24:23
Speaker 2: to be aware of if you want to allow for
24:25
Speaker 2: the universe to speak with you.
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Speaker 1: And to your point, is it possible for anyone to
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Speaker 1: tap into this energy, to this intuition.
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Speaker 2: I think so, And I'll tell you why. I have
24:38
Speaker 2: a friend I've known for maybe thirty years who is
24:41
Speaker 2: a I'm not big on astrology, I don't know it
24:44
Speaker 2: that well, but she is a true virgo, very list
24:48
Speaker 2: making person, very rational. She is somebody who came to
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Speaker 2: me years ago for a tarror reading, like thirty years ago.
24:57
Speaker 2: I don't always become friends with clients, but she and
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Speaker 2: I connected, and over the years she started coming to
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Speaker 2: me for readings, and I was offering her as we talk,
25:10
Speaker 2: different perceptions about her life. But her life very boxed in.
25:15
Speaker 2: Things are black and white, this or that. I want
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Speaker 2: you to know that. Being friends with me for all
25:21
Speaker 2: these years, she now gets messages all the time. She
25:28
Speaker 2: still comes to me. She'll still ask for clarification. That's
25:31
Speaker 2: about self trust. We do have to also trust ourselves
25:34
Speaker 2: in this and also open our own personal intuition, which
25:39
Speaker 2: is something she did too. She started listening to her
25:42
Speaker 2: own intuition. I think that's an important way also to
25:46
Speaker 2: start receiving messages from the universe. But I saw it
25:50
Speaker 2: happen with her, so I don't think what's I'm not special,
25:54
Speaker 2: what's happened to me? If it can happen to me,
25:57
Speaker 2: I know this sounds cliche, but I do believe it
25:59
Speaker 2: can have and to everybody this is this information is
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Speaker 2: available and I'm not the only one right who is
26:07
Speaker 2: able to you know, absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, my guest Jill Amy Sager her new book, Guidance
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Speaker 1: from the Universe, Hopeful Messages for everyday challenges. Jill, please
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Speaker 1: share with our listeners where they can get your book
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Speaker 1: and find out more about you and your amazing work.
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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. Yeah, you can find me with My
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Speaker 2: name is Jill Amy Sager or Sager s A G
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Speaker 2: E R Amy A M. Y. You can find me
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Speaker 2: through my website. You can contact me there at Jillamysager
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Speaker 2: dot com. You can also find me on Instagram, Facebook, substack,
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Speaker 2: and YouTube all under that same Jill Amysager my name,
26:51
Speaker 2: and the book is being distributed by Simon and Schuster,
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Speaker 2: so you can get it everywhere books are sold.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And if you go to your local bookstore and
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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, or your library ask your library to
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Speaker 2: get it or your library.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful And we'll be back with more of Jill after
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Speaker 1: Back on Box Novus, my guest this week Jill Amy Sager.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about her brand new book, Guidance from the Universe,
27:54
Speaker 1: hopeful messages for everyday challenges. Jill, what inspired you to
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Speaker 1: write your new book, Guidance from the Universe.
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Speaker 2: I'm laughing. That's a really funny question because I had
28:08
Speaker 2: transcripts I had received these messages I mentioned right, grief
28:12
Speaker 2: and jealousy and judgment, and they were so profound, and
28:16
Speaker 2: I had written them in a journal and I was
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Speaker 2: getting information from I was. I remember standing at my
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Speaker 2: altar one day just asking the universe. I can't even
28:25
Speaker 2: remember what I needed help with at the time. And
28:28
Speaker 2: at the end of this dialogue I was having with them,
28:31
Speaker 2: they said, do you think that all this information was
28:35
Speaker 2: just given to you. And I was like, yeah, thanks,
28:39
Speaker 2: and they were like no, and their push I was
28:43
Speaker 2: already writing. I had another book that was out, a
28:46
Speaker 2: nonfiction book, and they said no. And the message they got,
28:50
Speaker 2: the message they sent was that it wasn't just for
28:55
Speaker 2: me that they in essence, it felt like they were
28:58
Speaker 2: telling me that they were doing all this work, they
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Speaker 2: were giving me all this great stuff and me just
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Speaker 2: keeping it to myself was never their plan, so I realized,
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Speaker 2: and so I asked, and they're like right. And so
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Speaker 2: I started this book. And it wasn't until I had
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Speaker 2: transcribed all the messages that I thought, well, you know,
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Speaker 2: maybe I will write my stories, my personal stories for
29:25
Speaker 2: how I have used the information for myself over the years.
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Speaker 2: And then that happened, and then, you know, books do
29:36
Speaker 2: take a life, They have a life with their own sometimes.
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Speaker 2: And it wasn't until a few years later I'm in
29:42
Speaker 2: the writing of this book when I thought, maybe I'll
29:46
Speaker 2: put questions in each chapter to help the reader, you know,
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Speaker 2: maybe jumpstart their own thoughts about each topic. So every
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Speaker 2: chapter has guidances, words in their words about the topic
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Speaker 2: that are loving and really beautiful. And still I'm amazed
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Speaker 2: by what they tell me, what they're telling us, and
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Speaker 2: then my own personal stories. And then every chapter ends
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Speaker 2: with reflections, which, as I mentioned, two or three questions
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Speaker 2: for the reader.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely each chapter begins with the image of a Tarot card.
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Speaker 1: Why did you choose to do that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's another evolution of the book. When the
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Speaker 2: book was done, I had a vision that each chapter
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Speaker 2: needed to start with the title like awareness, and then
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Speaker 2: something that guidance said about awareness a very quick little quote,
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Speaker 2: and I saw a graphic. I thought it'd be really
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Speaker 2: pretty to have some kind of graphic in the book.
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Speaker 2: And it wasn't until and that it dawned on me
30:48
Speaker 2: the graphic could be a Tarot card. I do love taro,
30:51
Speaker 2: and that's really how it happened. But interestingly enough, I
30:55
Speaker 2: know taro like the back of my hand. I mean,
30:57
Speaker 2: I know every card so well. But I decided rather
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Speaker 2: than picking a Tarot card with the exact definition definition
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Speaker 2: that I knew, I decided to pick the cards intuitively.
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Speaker 2: And so some people might not agree with the card
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Speaker 2: I picked. But I do have a chapter in the
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Speaker 2: back that goes through every card that I picked and
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Speaker 2: what I felt, the reason that I picked the card,
31:25
Speaker 2: and I do mention that it came through intuition, and
31:28
Speaker 2: I'm curious. I hope people who are tarot readers or
31:31
Speaker 2: love cards. I invite in my book for them to
31:35
Speaker 2: get to me and write me and let me know
31:37
Speaker 2: what card would you have picked, because it's fascinating to
31:40
Speaker 2: use our intuition.
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Speaker 1: And in the book, you also talk about your personal
31:44
Speaker 1: physical struggles when you were a child. What would you
31:47
Speaker 1: share about the correlation you've observed between overcoming physical challenges
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Speaker 1: and deep spiritual connection.
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Speaker 2: Wow, that's an interesting question. I don't know if I
32:01
Speaker 2: have an answer for that, but when I've thought about it,
32:05
Speaker 2: I know from other people's experiences that I've read or
32:09
Speaker 2: I've heard that deep physical trauma can perhaps maybe jumpstart
32:16
Speaker 2: that kind of listening or you know, maybe because we
32:23
Speaker 2: need more help or there's faith, or to get through
32:26
Speaker 2: a physical trauma, no matter what it is, sometimes we
32:32
Speaker 2: need like a higher power. I don't know how to
32:34
Speaker 2: express it, but it's more of a sense I have
32:38
Speaker 2: that maybe being so confined and alone because I was
32:42
Speaker 2: very I was physically confined in bed for a very
32:44
Speaker 2: long time and very much isolated. For my peers in
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Speaker 2: third grade and fourth grade, fifth grade, sixth grade, and
32:52
Speaker 2: then heading into middle school wearing braces, you know, middle school,
32:57
Speaker 2: like you know, that's when you're twelve and you're getting
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Speaker 2: into how you look, especially for girls. You know, it's
33:03
Speaker 2: a whole big thing. And I think that I do
33:07
Speaker 2: remember feeling so isolated, and so yeah, just isolation must
33:16
Speaker 2: is a good word more than being an outside are
33:18
Speaker 2: just very isolated. And perhaps there is something about trauma
33:24
Speaker 2: that maybe can elicit a sense of needing help. I mean,
33:30
Speaker 2: but I think that still there's as I had a resilience,
33:33
Speaker 2: not everyone's resilient, you know, people. When I think back
33:36
Speaker 2: to my life, it's a wonder to me that I
33:38
Speaker 2: wasn't crushed by some of the things that happened to me,
33:42
Speaker 2: including how my parents treated me. I don't need to
33:44
Speaker 2: go into that here, but I didn't have the emotional
33:47
Speaker 2: support actually that a lot of kids do who are
33:52
Speaker 2: going through physical issues. So it was a lot. But
33:55
Speaker 2: I think that perhaps an answer to your question, I'm
33:58
Speaker 2: not the only one that has a says you that,
34:02
Speaker 2: really you either sink or swim, and there's something about
34:06
Speaker 2: swimming that many I think people who have gone through
34:10
Speaker 2: trauma are able to do I think ultimately we're survivors.
34:13
Speaker 2: That's what I've learned, and that's what I think about
34:15
Speaker 2: the human condition. I mean, people have experienced things that
34:18
Speaker 2: are incredibly difficult, and yet we survive. Not everybody does
34:24
Speaker 2: it well, but many of us do.
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Speaker 1: What would you offer to others about using personal challenges
34:31
Speaker 1: as a catalyst for growth.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think again it gets back to perception. I
34:39
Speaker 2: think one of the things that I learned from guidance
34:43
Speaker 2: from the universe is that suffering. We all suffer, and
34:49
Speaker 2: suffering isn't necessarily what we're supposed to be doing. We're
34:54
Speaker 2: supposed to be supposed to be I mean, the ultimate
34:57
Speaker 2: would be to live in enjoy all the time, right,
34:59
Speaker 2: that would be great, but we tend to take This
35:02
Speaker 2: is what I've learned from the universe, that we tend
35:06
Speaker 2: to take our joy or happiness for granted. And unfortunately
35:09
Speaker 2: it's through our challenges, when our asses get kicked, that
35:13
Speaker 2: we notice that we notice things. But of course it's
35:17
Speaker 2: how we get through those situations that defines our lives.
35:22
Speaker 2: And so an answer to your question, I do believe
35:26
Speaker 2: that we have the ability. Some of us may be
35:31
Speaker 2: more than others, but there's always support to get through
35:35
Speaker 2: our challenges in ways where we see them not as
35:42
Speaker 2: not as a victim, not as a why is this
35:46
Speaker 2: happening to me? But as a way to accept that
35:50
Speaker 2: it's what's been put in front of us, and what
35:54
Speaker 2: are we going to do with that? Because I've learned
35:58
Speaker 2: that if I judge what's in front of me, and
36:02
Speaker 2: if I rail against what's in front of me a challenge,
36:07
Speaker 2: that doesn't really help me. I'm just in a state
36:10
Speaker 2: of continual suffering through that and also being a victim.
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Speaker 2: Why me, Why is this happening? But what am I
36:16
Speaker 2: really going to get from that? You know, in my world,
36:20
Speaker 2: I'm not going to get far with that attitude. It's
36:24
Speaker 2: gonna do me under at some point, make me feel angry,
36:27
Speaker 2: perhaps make the pain worse. So I have found that
36:33
Speaker 2: the path in front of me. I'm not saying that
36:35
Speaker 2: when I have challenges, I just breeze through them. I
36:38
Speaker 2: mean there's no way, but eventually for myself, when I
36:44
Speaker 2: realize I've suffered enough, you know, whether it's because I'm
36:50
Speaker 2: having a hard day, a hard couple of days, something's happened,
36:55
Speaker 2: like a stink bomb has been thrown my way. If
36:58
Speaker 2: I stay in that space too long, I'm starting to
37:02
Speaker 2: feel just crushed by it. And when I notice that,
37:07
Speaker 2: when I notice that how restrictive and constrictive I feel
37:11
Speaker 2: in body, mind, spirit, I sit down with myself. I
37:15
Speaker 2: turn on a timer for maybe you know, ten minutes,
37:20
Speaker 2: and I sit quietly, not to do away with my
37:26
Speaker 2: feelings or not to do away with trying to be happy,
37:31
Speaker 2: but to really sit with myself and digest how I
37:36
Speaker 2: am truly feeling. And I then can make a choice
37:41
Speaker 2: about how much I want to suffer. I might not
37:44
Speaker 2: always know how to get out of the suffering right away,
37:48
Speaker 2: but if I sit on Tuesday, and then on Thursday,
37:52
Speaker 2: and then on Sunday, eventually I get to the feelings
37:56
Speaker 2: the emotions that are keeping me trapped. Sometimes it's that
38:02
Speaker 2: I just had to put this don't like myself very much,
38:09
Speaker 2: so that feeling of compassion comes up, or I cry
38:12
Speaker 2: for myself, and that alleviates a lot too, So I think,
38:18
Speaker 2: you know, it's like anger. I used to be a
38:20
Speaker 2: very angry person, and I had no control over that anger.
38:27
Speaker 2: It was a knee jerk reaction to things. And at
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Speaker 2: the point that I realized that it was harming me
38:35
Speaker 2: and those around me. I decided to change that idea
38:39
Speaker 2: about what anger was, and it took many years for
38:43
Speaker 2: me to understand that it wasn't anger. That's a problem.
38:48
Speaker 2: Holding on to anger is toxic. So getting rid of
38:50
Speaker 2: anger is great, But again, how do I deal with anger?
38:57
Speaker 2: It's going back to the challenge is how do we
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Speaker 2: manage deal except what it is we're feeling, what it
39:06
Speaker 2: is that we understand about ourselves. So I think that
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Speaker 2: just suffering all the time, because let's face it, anybody
39:17
Speaker 2: who's as angry as I was doesn't like themselves very much.
39:21
Speaker 2: I know that when I see people that are raging
39:24
Speaker 2: in the world and are so angry, I know that
39:27
Speaker 2: they can't possibly deeply, deeply think that that's okay. There
39:33
Speaker 2: is something going on there, and I think that transformation
39:38
Speaker 2: and change has to the only way I know for
39:41
Speaker 2: it to happen is to be self reflective.
39:44
Speaker 1: And know that you're worthy.
39:47
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And I think through self reflection we start
39:51
Speaker 2: to understand that it's one thing to believe that we
39:55
Speaker 2: all deserve. Because I do believe that we're all worthy.
39:59
Speaker 2: I absolutely believe that believe that we should air quotes,
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Speaker 2: have as much compassion, love, and acceptance for ourselves that
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Speaker 2: we give to others. I absolutely believe it, but getting
40:12
Speaker 2: there takes self examination to be someone who's willing to say, wow,
40:19
Speaker 2: I'm having a day where I don't believe this, and
40:22
Speaker 2: rather than being what Guidance has taught me, rather than
40:26
Speaker 2: looking for how can I be different? Or why am
40:29
Speaker 2: I like this? Why don't I feel I'm worthy today?
40:34
Speaker 2: That they've taught me that that can be kind of
40:38
Speaker 2: like a spin cycle. Why how? And according to them,
40:43
Speaker 2: it doesn't really get us very far. And what they
40:46
Speaker 2: have taught me is that the way that we can
40:50
Speaker 2: change is actually by feeling how much suffering we're causing ourselves.
40:57
Speaker 2: And that sometimes sounds a little bit crazy because or strange,
41:02
Speaker 2: because we're all suffering, and I think that many of
41:07
Speaker 2: us feel that if we dig into that suffering, we'll
41:11
Speaker 2: suffer more. And I remember a client one saying to
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Speaker 2: me she never cries, and Guidance challenged her, it was like,
41:20
Speaker 2: well why, and she said, because I'm afraid if I start,
41:25
Speaker 2: if I feel all that grief, I'll never stop. And
41:29
Speaker 2: they said, no one ever drowned in their own tears,
41:33
Speaker 2: So it really is about allowing ourselves to have a
41:36
Speaker 2: full range of what we're feeling about ourselves so that
41:40
Speaker 2: we can feel that for ourselves, and then I know
41:44
Speaker 2: when I do it, I have a lot of compassion
41:46
Speaker 2: for myself, and all of my feelings of that were
41:52
Speaker 2: there moments ago of not feeling worthy and not feeling
41:57
Speaker 2: okay with myself. It all dissipates very quickly as soon
42:01
Speaker 2: as I really dig into how much fighting I'm doing
42:05
Speaker 2: within myself, how much suffering I'm creating for myself. You know, Victor,
42:11
Speaker 2: it's so easy for us to blame the world other
42:14
Speaker 2: people for why we're suffering, but really, you know, I
42:19
Speaker 2: do believe we have choice about how much we're going
42:21
Speaker 2: to suffer.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. I'll give you a quick personal share. When I
42:26
Speaker 1: was a kid, I never felt that my father loved
42:28
Speaker 1: me until when I was eight years old. He had
42:33
Speaker 1: a surgery, had one of his legs amputated from uh
42:36
Speaker 1: He had diabetes at the time, and it became aangrenous
42:39
Speaker 1: and he had to have the leg amputated. And at
42:42
Speaker 1: that point I became part of the caretaking team along
42:45
Speaker 1: with my mother, his caretaking team, and for the first
42:48
Speaker 1: time I felt that he loved me, and it wired
42:51
Speaker 1: in my young mind, if you care for others, you
42:53
Speaker 1: will be loved. And that set a pattern in my
42:56
Speaker 1: life that I would run around and take care of
42:58
Speaker 1: everybody else, often at the cost of my own health
43:00
Speaker 1: and my own emotional stability and what have you. And
43:05
Speaker 1: it took until my late forties early fifties for me
43:08
Speaker 1: to use the n word no. And I understood that
43:11
Speaker 1: I didn't have to say yes to everyone, that there
43:13
Speaker 1: were people who were perfectly capable of taking care of
43:15
Speaker 1: themselves and their own needs, and that I would only
43:18
Speaker 1: respond yes to those who truly needed anything that I
43:21
Speaker 1: had to offer. And that changed my life and it
43:23
Speaker 1: healed me.
43:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really interesting when we get off balance that way,
43:28
Speaker 2: like too much giving, not enough receiving or it's it
43:33
Speaker 2: is true. I agree with you that giving, you know
43:36
Speaker 2: that offering, that saying yes and helping people is a
43:39
Speaker 2: way that sometimes we can get out of our own
43:42
Speaker 2: way and feel better about ourselves when we're having a
43:45
Speaker 2: hard day. Diversion's good. I remember when I was going
43:49
Speaker 2: through a really hard breakup, I was so grateful I
43:52
Speaker 2: had work. I loved my customers, I loved helping them,
43:55
Speaker 2: and it really took my mind off my suffering. That
43:58
Speaker 2: was great. Right guidance has taught me that our life
44:04
Speaker 2: of giving and receiving. They showed me. They gave me
44:08
Speaker 2: the image of a quarter. I don't know why, but
44:11
Speaker 2: there it was, and it kind of helps me. And
44:13
Speaker 2: they were like, you know, a quarter has to be
44:15
Speaker 2: a heads in a tail. It's a fifty to fifty.
44:17
Speaker 2: There it's like that makes one hundred percent. It's not.
44:20
Speaker 2: It's equal equal, And I believe that's true for us.
44:24
Speaker 2: It's what you're describing too much giving or too much
44:28
Speaker 2: receiving off balance. So it's really that perfect bonding of
44:34
Speaker 2: the two, knowing when you've given enough and knowing when
44:37
Speaker 2: you need to receive. I heard a friend recently tell
44:40
Speaker 2: me that she was having a hard time and I actually,
44:45
Speaker 2: I can use myself actually as an example. I met
44:48
Speaker 2: my husband. I was about fifty one, and I always
44:52
Speaker 2: had a hard time trusting people and also believing when
44:56
Speaker 2: they said they liked me or they loved me. I
44:58
Speaker 2: felt like it went. I felt like I had a
45:01
Speaker 2: wall and I couldn't accept. I couldn't feel it in
45:06
Speaker 2: my body that they truly did that they really were
45:09
Speaker 2: telling me that they loved me and liked me, and
45:12
Speaker 2: I just it was like it didn't even go in me.
45:15
Speaker 2: And that had to do with my mother and how
45:17
Speaker 2: difficult my relationship with her. I knew where it's stemmed from,
45:20
Speaker 2: but it just didn't. I couldn't change it, and I
45:25
Speaker 2: ended up feeling I mean, it started to create problems.
45:32
Speaker 2: So when I my husband, I was fifty one, I
45:35
Speaker 2: actually told him, I said, you know, it's going to
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Speaker 2: take a while, maybe a year. I said, I just
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Speaker 2: threw out that number for me to trust that you
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Speaker 2: love me. So I was out of balance. You know,
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Speaker 2: I was giving, I was loving. People said that I
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Speaker 2: was very generous, and I was optimistic, and I was loving,
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Speaker 2: but I couldn't take it in. I didn't. It took me.
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Speaker 2: I don't It wouldn't take me a year, but it
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Speaker 2: even took me way long into my relationship with him.
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Speaker 2: Whenever he hugged at me and said he loved me,
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Speaker 2: I swear I just could not feel it. So I
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Speaker 2: was at a balance. I couldn't receive, and I started
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Speaker 2: to realize that not receiving was almost like putting up
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Speaker 2: my hand to somebody and saying I don't care. They
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Speaker 2: were telling me they cared but how selfish of me
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Speaker 2: or I don't know if that's the right where, but
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Speaker 2: a little bit like oh, putting my hands up saying no,
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Speaker 2: I don't believe you kind of put people in a
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Speaker 2: difficult position, I think, always having to prove that they did.
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Speaker 2: Like I'm just, you know, an empty hole, like I
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Speaker 2: just have to Who's going to fill me up? Nobody
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Speaker 2: could fill me up. And it really took me a while.
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Speaker 2: And the reason it changed is because I needed it
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Speaker 2: to change, you know. Guidance gave me that image, and
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Speaker 2: I realized, wow, I'm at a balance. I need to
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Speaker 2: take in the truth of what people are telling me
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Speaker 2: and feel it truly in my body and soul that
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Speaker 2: I am loved.
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Speaker 1: Back on Vox Novus. My guest this week Jill Amy
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Speaker 1: Sager her new book Guidance from the Universe Hopeful Messages
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Speaker 1: for Everyday Challenges. Amy. In the book, you share several
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Speaker 1: chapters dealing with universal topics. You had mentioned anger before,
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Speaker 1: but also forgiveness and grief and abundance. Can you give
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Speaker 1: us an example of some of the wisdom that Guidance
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Speaker 1: has shared with you, For example with forgiveness.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's a big one. Yeah, forgiveness is so huge,
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Speaker 2: so huge. Well, I'll tell you a little bit about
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Speaker 2: what is in the book on that chapter. So I
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Speaker 2: mentioned a little earlier that my I had a very
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Speaker 2: difficult relationship with my mom and I would call her.
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Speaker 2: I'm on the West coast, she's on the East coast.
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Speaker 2: I would call her every couple of weeks. It was
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Speaker 2: an obligatory call. I wanted her to know I was
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Speaker 2: thinking about her. But I never felt like I mentioned
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Speaker 2: about my husband. I didn't feel connected to her in
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Speaker 2: any way, and I didn't like her I felt like
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Speaker 2: a bad daughter, and I started to notice it was
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Speaker 2: affecting other areas of my life, personal relationships that I
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Speaker 2: was holding on to anger about her. It was just
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Speaker 2: it was just messy. And Guidance said to me, get
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Speaker 2: you know other women who have the same difficult relationship
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Speaker 2: with their moms. And they gave me the idea to
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Speaker 2: form a forgiveness circle with these women. And I was like,
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Speaker 2: what is that and they said, don't worry. And I'm paraphrasing,
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Speaker 2: they don't quite talk like this, but in essence, it
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Speaker 2: was like, don't worry, we'll help you. We'll give you
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Speaker 2: the information you need. And so I called these three
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Speaker 2: other women. They were totally into it. They came and
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Speaker 2: sure enough, Guidance gave us information every week and one
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Speaker 2: of the things, one of the first things they said,
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Speaker 2: which blew our minds, was that we had to forgive ourselves.
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Speaker 2: And we were all like, what, Like, what are we
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Speaker 2: going to do with that? And basically what we learned
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Speaker 2: was that we all actually were holding on to a
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Speaker 2: bit of self hate because we didn't love our moms
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Speaker 2: and it didn't matter. And again, it was kind of
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Speaker 2: a was a victim stance that we felt like they
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Speaker 2: didn't do right by us. They you know, our list
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Speaker 2: was long. But the truth is we really hated ourselves
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Speaker 2: for not being good daughters and for holding onto all
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Speaker 2: this negativity. So they helped and the guidance helped, and
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Speaker 2: we learned first to forgive ourselves and not everybody. I
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Speaker 2: don't know everybody's story that was in that group in
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Speaker 2: terms of what transpired, but I did work on that.
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Speaker 2: I worked on forgiving myself first. And I'm going to
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Speaker 2: tell you that the strangest thing, and this is in
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Speaker 2: the book, is that through self forgiveness, I ended up
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Speaker 2: forgiving my mom, which it turned out it didn't even
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Speaker 2: have to work on that, and something I learned about
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Speaker 2: for it, and so it was bizarre. I actually the
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Speaker 2: last time I saw her, I went to visit her
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Speaker 2: in New York before she died. She and I hung out,
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Speaker 2: and I was expecting the same old, same old stuff
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Speaker 2: with her, that I would be uptight, that she would
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Speaker 2: be uptight, we'd both just be waiting, couldn't wait to
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Speaker 2: get away from each other, and instead we had the
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Speaker 2: most lovely lunch, the most lovely conversation. I saw her
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Speaker 2: twice that week, which was like very unusual. We were
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Speaker 2: both softer energetically. I was softer, so I think it's
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Speaker 2: why she was softer. We never talked about what the
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Speaker 2: change and what happened. But something I learned about forgiveness
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Speaker 2: from that experience was that not forgiving myself, like carrying
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Speaker 2: around that much self hate or that much being twitter
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Speaker 2: paid about my mom really kept me trapped, like it
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Speaker 2: wasn't a very freeing feeling or freeing life. And so
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Speaker 2: they were right. I had to figure out how to
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Speaker 2: love myself, accept myself so I could feel better. And
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Speaker 2: it was through feeling better about myself that I started
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Speaker 2: to see, oh, my gosh, you know she's a human
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Speaker 2: being too, and she has her own issues and why
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Speaker 2: a lot of them have nothing most of them have
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Speaker 2: nothing to do with me. And when she died, just
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Speaker 2: to express this to you in a deeper way, about
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Speaker 2: this lesson that I got about forgiveness. When she died,
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Speaker 2: I still didn't know if I liked her, and I
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Speaker 2: said to people, but I did accept her love and
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Speaker 2: I did feel like I loved her. I was more
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Speaker 2: open and I asked people who knew her, oh, why
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Speaker 2: did you like my mom? And they started to tell me,
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Speaker 2: and I realized. And something that changed for me was
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Speaker 2: that I realized I liked her too. I liked who
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Speaker 2: she was, but I will never like her being a mom.
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Speaker 2: And it's okay. She wasn't a good mom. But I
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Speaker 2: no longer carry the weight of the resentment or the
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Speaker 2: feeling like a victim to that. It's just a fact
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Speaker 2: she was not a good mom to me. But I have,
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Speaker 2: through forgiveness and through hearing what other people liked about her,
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Speaker 2: I'm yeah, I've taken that in and you know what,
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Speaker 2: I actually liked my mom. She was a very interesting person.
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Speaker 2: Lesson that you learned, Yeah, you know, but I can't.
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Speaker 2: It's okay not to be able to, you know, transfer
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Speaker 2: that to her her mom's skills.
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Speaker 1: You know, absolutely, what does guidence here about gratitude?
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Speaker 2: Gratitude's huge. I used to think gratitude. This is in
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Speaker 2: my book too. I used to think gratitude was about
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Speaker 2: the things that I was grateful for, you know, my dog,
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Speaker 2: my house, my life, my work, my husband. You know. No,
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Speaker 2: it's huge, and you know, I don't want to go
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Speaker 2: into two. You know, you can read the chapter. But
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Speaker 2: basically I learned that from guidance that gratitude is just everything,
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Speaker 2: all the time, and the energy when I'm grateful, not
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Speaker 2: for anything specific, just grateful. When I can feel it,
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, gosh, my body gets expanded. I feel
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Speaker 2: unconditional love for the entire world. It's a beautiful feeling.
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Speaker 2: Gratitude heals everything, it feels like if we can tap
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Speaker 2: into it in a true feeling way, it's quite a
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Speaker 2: healing thing to feel.
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Speaker 1: What would you like readers to take away from Guidance
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Speaker 1: from the Universe.
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Speaker 2: Well, I hope that people see in the book that
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Speaker 2: what we all face, you know, we're all I do
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Speaker 2: think we're all. We all go through our struggles different
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Speaker 2: I mentioned this, but we're all the same. We all
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Speaker 2: have our stuff, you know. And I hope that people
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Speaker 2: maybe get a glimmer, glimpse into how we can it's
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Speaker 2: possible that if we decide we want to live better
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Speaker 2: or feel better, that that's actually possible. I'm not saying
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Speaker 2: it's easy, but it is possible. And perhaps my book
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Speaker 2: offers that just a glimmer into the fact that it's
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Speaker 2: possible to change perception. Not easy, but possible, so that
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Speaker 2: we can make better choices that better suit us.
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Speaker 1: The wisdom of Jill Amy sag Or her book Guidance
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Speaker 1: from the Universe, hopeful messages for everyday challenges. Jill one
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Speaker 1: more time, please share with us where listeners can get
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Speaker 1: your book and find out more about you and your work.
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Speaker 2: Thank you well. The book is being distributed by Simon
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Speaker 2: and Schuster. The book can get anywhere online your indie bookstore,
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Speaker 2: asked for it at the library and to find me.
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Speaker 2: My full name is Jill Amy Amy Sag sag Er
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Speaker 2: and you can find me on my website jillamysag dot com, Instagram, Facebook,
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Speaker 2: substack and also YouTube.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you so much for joining us and
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Speaker 1: sharing your experience, your wisdom and sharing guidance with us.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Victor for having me. It was a joy
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Speaker 2: to talk with you.
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Speaker 1: And thank you for joining us on Box Novus. I'm
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Speaker 1: Victor Lavoice Furman. Have a wonderful week.