Latest / Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo / Tony Gurule: Americans, Christians Confused About Islam, Supporting Iran?
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- 0:00Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
- 0:10defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
- 0:16And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
- 0:20Friends and family in Christ, thank you so much for tuning in, God bless you.
- 0:24We're going to be blessed today because we're going to talk to Tony Garoulee of Radical
- 0:28Truth and we need to get down to some facts about Islam and some confusion in the American
- 0:36Church and why not just Americans, but some Christians are so ignorant of either Islam
- 0:46and what it teaches or the Bible and what it teaches that they are supporting a terrorist
- 0:52regime.
- 0:53We're going to break that down with Tony.
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- 2:01All right.
- 2:02Tony, Gurule, radical truth.
- 2:03Thank you so much for your time today, brother.
- 2:05As always, it's great to see you and have you back.
- 2:08My pleasure.
- 2:09Dave's great to be with you as always.
- 2:11No problem.
- 2:12Now, I love what you got on your website homepage.
- 2:15Your Aula is too small.
- 2:17I'm just reading a couple things there.
- 2:19And you've got something there, Islam in the last days.
- 2:22Now is that a sermon or what is that one about?
- 2:25Just curious.
- 2:26Yeah, we did have an Islam in the last days sermon that it's like one of our classic
- 2:30sermons.
- 2:31It was kind of part two to what is Islam who is a law and what is the Christian response.
- 2:37Islam in the last days, sermon version got more into the political aspects of Islam
- 2:41and the future and where we are presently.
- 2:44Now that right there that you saw is actually the Western threat edition, which I created
- 2:50and I presented in September of last year at an apologetics conference in Southern California.
- 2:56And I gave the, that one first, I kicked off the conference with that.
- 3:00It was a three day conference.
- 3:01And I encourage everyone to see that because that actually has the numbers of the amount
- 3:06of Christians, Muslims and the non-religious in America or North America, I should
- 3:11say because Canada is included here.
- 3:14And that is in the last three sentences from 2000, 2010, 2020.
- 3:19And also I have the UK last three sentences as well to so people can see that we're just
- 3:25following the footsteps of the UK and Europe.
- 3:28Also in there is a slide on how many mosques were in America in the year 2000, 2010, 2020.
- 3:34So I cover all the numbers and I did mention that real quick, I believe in our last interview.
- 3:40If people haven't seen it, that there is our recently released just a couple of weeks
- 3:45ago with all the full quality, high quality slides throughout the presentation.
- 3:52And then the next day is when I presented your laws to small and that one was just released
- 3:57I think a week ago.
- 3:58And that has all of the high quality slides as well.
- 4:02And that right there Dave is so important because not only does it get back to classical
- 4:07theism and the theism, the doctrine of God according to the church fathers all the way
- 4:12up through the reformation and so on.
- 4:15But also people need to understand that Islam falls apart philosophically when we talk
- 4:20about the attributes of a law.
- 4:22So that sermon there not only blows people's minds and makes God so much more amazing
- 4:28than he may already be in a person's mind, but it also explains how a law falls apart.
- 4:35And how Islam has bad theology because it's based on bad philosophy.
- 4:38So a lot of philosophical theology in your laws too small.
- 4:43So I do want to mention you just kind of brought it up.
- 4:46I want to mention the last podcast we did with you.
- 4:50If you go to worldviewmatters.tv, type in Tony Garoule and this should come up.
- 4:57Muslim population growing as Christians declining.
- 5:02That's the most recent one that Tony just kind of mentioned that the concept or the idea
- 5:07of the Muslim population.
- 5:08But we talked about it in depth there and we looked at some charts.
- 5:10Really is kind of disturbing Tony and I first heard this at a church I think 20 years
- 5:16ago.
- 5:17I was at a Baptist church and they did this sermon and talked about being fruitful and
- 5:21multiplying from God.
- 5:23And then they did this population saying Christians and Muslims are compared and I'm going wow.
- 5:28So back to your Allah is too small.
- 5:31Great.
- 5:32I love the title.
- 5:33But then if you go to the description of your video in Islam in the last days, it says
- 5:40the fastest growing false religion in the world.
- 5:45And one can't help but wonder what role Islam will play in the end times scenario.
- 5:50So that brings us up to today.
- 5:51We're seeing in part some of what Islam is doing not as much in America, but it's in
- 5:58the Middle East with Israel, Iran and what's happening over there.
- 6:02So where do you want to start today so we can see our ignorance about this, it's a religion,
- 6:09it's a political system, it's an economic system.
- 6:11It's not just a faith or religion and it's based on a false deity.
- 6:16Go ahead.
- 6:17Yeah.
- 6:18Well, there's so much unpack when it comes to Islam, but most importantly, Dave, as I
- 6:22always mention, Islam according to Muhammad is what people need to know about because the
- 6:28Islamists in the West and the term Islamist, a lot of people are confused about that term.
- 6:33Not every Muslim is an Islamist, but every Islamist is a Muslim.
- 6:38Just like we say a jihadist is every Muslim a jihadist.
- 6:41No, jihadist kind of is more about their role.
- 6:45They're out there physically fighting for the cause of a law.
- 6:48So every jihadist is a Muslim, but now every Muslim is a jihadist.
- 6:53And the term Islamist is basically a Muslim who is not only aware of the religious aspects
- 6:58of Islam and focuses on praying five times a day and the five pillars, but they're focused
- 7:04on the political aspects of Islam as well because they know that according to the life
- 7:09of Muhammad, he spoke and preached on religion as he gained more powers, more power followers
- 7:15and money.
- 7:16He turned to more politics.
- 7:19And there's an evolution in life of Muhammad that we see happening in Western countries
- 7:24as Islamization takes place because Muhammad didn't come out sword swinging.
- 7:30I was going to say guns blazing, but basically as he gained power, it got more aggressive.
- 7:37And it's the same case.
- 7:38And all people need to do is look to Europe, Dave.
- 7:40We talked about lights out when Islam rules America back in 2019 when that first came
- 7:45out.
- 7:46Wow.
- 7:47And a ton of views, but a lot of people still haven't seen it.
- 7:49And in that, I talked about the four areas of American society being Islamized, education,
- 7:54immigration, government, and churches.
- 7:56And I tell people now go watch that because in 2019, I talked about all that's happening
- 8:03right now.
- 8:04If people don't understand Islamic theology, they don't understand the Islamic worldview,
- 8:09Islam will take them by surprise.
- 8:11And in the meantime, they're going to fall for the tactics of the Islamists who are giving
- 8:15you this water down sugar coated Walt Disney version of Islam that a bunch of people have
- 8:20fallen for in the West, especially most frustrating of all is Westerners, Caucasian or just
- 8:28non-Arab Westerners who have become Muslim and seem to be more gun-ho about spreading
- 8:35Islam than people who've been Muslims, you know, say for their entire lives.
- 8:39And it's these Western converts to Islam who use the term revert.
- 8:44And if they use the term revert, which means going back to their original state of being
- 8:49born as a Muslim quote unquote, as soon as I hear a Westerner use the term revert, I know
- 8:54right away, they've fallen for the Islamic propaganda, the Islamic worldview, and they've
- 8:59drank the Kool-Aid, basically, and unfortunately, we have a growth of Islam, and the keyword
- 9:05when you mentioned it earlier there is the fastest growing false religion in the world.
- 9:11Yes, it is growing rapidly, mainly due to immigration, birth rate, and again, Western converts
- 9:18to Islam.
- 9:19But one thing that Islam, even though they always talk about, oh, this guy just became Muslim,
- 9:24so Islam must be true.
- 9:26Look at how fast it's growing, Islam must be true, which is basically the bandwagon
- 9:30fallacy.
- 9:31It's a logical fallacy to conclude that Islam is true because it's growing.
- 9:37That's not the case.
- 9:38It's the fastest growing false religion in the world, and Dave, we've talked about Islam
- 9:43many times over the years, and as I always say, the solution to all of this is the gospel
- 9:50of the Lord Jesus Christ, and if people want Islamization to slow down and or stop, the
- 9:57gospel is what needs to be shared, and that's what we need all churches equipped to do
- 10:02evangelism.
- 10:03All right.
- 10:04Amen, brother.
- 10:05And that's one of the first things you said when I asked you what we should discuss today,
- 10:10what does the body of Christ need to hear?
- 10:12You said the basics of the gospel and getting the church to share it.
- 10:17So big amen to that.
- 10:18I do want to mention before we move on your Facebook page, Radical Truth on Facebook,
- 10:23Radical Truth 777 up in the navigation bar, but go to Radical Truth on Facebook, you're
- 10:28on other social media as well, so not just RadicalTruth.net.
- 10:33But let's answer this question, Tony, so I already asked earlier how do so many people in
- 10:42America not understand Islam, ignorance is one, not understanding the biblical teachings
- 10:47is another, but and then there's a third aspect maybe are people that anti-Trump and hopefully
- 10:55not, well, there are some in the church that they would support Iran, support a terrorist
- 11:00regime, and they're against everything Trump does, it really is insane when you understand
- 11:06what Islam teaches and what the Bible teaches, right?
- 11:11No, the only thing David is that the Iran situation is fairly new, the Islamization of America
- 11:18in the West in general has been happening for decades.
- 11:21So the reason why these Islamizations taking, I mean, yes, it is totally valid to say and
- 11:26to assume there are people out there who are just going to side with Iran just because
- 11:31they don't like Trump.
- 11:32I mean, we know TDS that have been happening for years, it doesn't matter what he does.
- 11:36He does something good, people are still going to find a reason to complain.
- 11:40However, the Islamization has been taking place for decades and that's multifaceted.
- 11:45It's one big, huge thing is that there are similarities between Christianity and Islam
- 11:53and so far is they use the same terms as we do, but the people, people don't realize
- 11:59they're using a different dictionary because when they say God or when they say Allah, you
- 12:04know, as us as Westerners or as non-Muslims, specifically as Christians, you know, I'm
- 12:11on X heavily, I've been on there for about four months and on there, I am dealing with
- 12:17Muslims all day, every day, whenever I have the time, I'm busy doing so many other things,
- 12:22but all the time I have Muslim say, oh, don't you know what the word for God is and Arabic?
- 12:28All use these little linguistic scenarios or excuses to say, oh, you just don't understand
- 12:35because a law just means God.
- 12:38I know it means God is not a personal name, the main thing is the object of a referent
- 12:43that we're referring to because even a Arabic-speaking Christian says Allah, but are they referring
- 12:53to the God of the Quran? No, they're referring to the Yahweh of the Bible, so it's the same
- 12:59thing when Muslims say, oh, we love Jesus, I tell Muslims all the time, quit saying Jesus
- 13:05because you're not talking about the true historical, biblical Jesus Christ, you're
- 13:11referring to the fake, unhistorical revisionist Islamized Issa, ISA, which is mentioned in
- 13:20the Quran. So it's not the same God, it's not the same Jesus, they even have Abraham wrong.
- 13:26I figured what episode of our show was 30 something I'm taking, but I did a show years
- 13:33ago called the Abrahamic fallacy and I go into how Muslims have the wrong Abraham. Why
- 13:39do we use the term Judeo-Christian because Judaism and Christianity have the same historical
- 13:46Abraham who actually existed? Islam has the wrong Abraham. So if we're going to say Abrahamic,
- 13:53well, if we just need to say rostopharianism is Abrahamic because they believe in Abraham,
- 14:00Mormonism is Abrahamic because they believe in Abraham, but if we're going to hold to the true
- 14:04historical, biblical Abraham, we need to take Islam out and so many people don't realize that,
- 14:10and that's why so many people in the West are falling for the similarities between Christianity
- 14:16and Islam when it's actually the differences that matter. Yeah, maybe we should dig in a little bit
- 14:22more about Abrahamic faith. You hear these words and Muslims do say they believe in Abraham.
- 14:28We have to take a brief pause. We'll be right back with Tony Garouli of RadicalTruth.net.
- 14:33Every day it feels more and more urgent and I think if people are watching this or listening to
- 14:38this and you don't feel that urgency, then you haven't quite woken up yet. It is urgent.
- 14:45I'm glad you mentioned that because right on the homepage of the website,
- 14:48it says, redeem the time. It says that the worldview matters conference we hope to encourage
- 14:53and equip Christians to share the gospel, speak the truth and stand boldly for the faith in this
- 14:59present cultural dorm. And it says, expert speakers will tackle the most critical issues of our day
- 15:06with clarity and a sense of urgency. Okay, Tony Garouli, Abrahamic faith. Jesus is a prophet,
- 15:21not God, the Trinity, Holy Spirit. Let's talk about some other things. So we understand that
- 15:29there are so many contrasts between Islam and Christianity. Let's clarify some of these things.
- 15:35Yeah, there's there are monotheistic and we can say Judaism, Christianity, Islam,
- 15:41or the three major monotheistic religions, that's fine because that simply means that we believe in
- 15:46one God. However, it's not accurate to call all three Abrahamic religions because again,
- 15:53if we want to get technical about who Abraham actually is, we need to take Islam out. If we're
- 15:59if we don't care if who believes in Abraham, well, then again, we need to call more religions
- 16:08Abrahamic because a lot of groups out there believe in Abraham. So that's part of it. They have
- 16:15the wrong Moses, they have the wrong Jesus, they have the wrong God. If the number one thing,
- 16:22other than people learning about the Islamization and the threat of Islam in the West, which they
- 16:26can still get even seven years later by watching lights out when Islam rules America, I would encourage
- 16:32everyone because you figure God is who we worship and God is God is the one who created everything
- 16:42and everyone. This is so important for people to watch. Your Allah is too small, how classical
- 16:50theism best explains the good news because it not only destroys philosophically the concept of a law
- 16:57but it shows and improves how philosophies the hand made into theology. Before we can ask
- 17:06who is God and that's a theological question, the first question is is there a God because that
- 17:13comes down to being and existence itself. If there is no God, it doesn't make sense to ask
- 17:19who is God, what does God require of me and so on. So we need to start with being and philosophy,
- 17:27then we move to epistemology and our knowledge of who the true God is, then we get to linguistics
- 17:35which is, oh, what does a law mean and so on. The problem with Islam is a lot of Muslims focus
- 17:42on that tertiary category, linguistics first. But guess what, if you ask who is God, they don't
- 17:49have the right philosophy, they don't have the right existence of who God actually is, they don't
- 17:57know God but they just say a law. So we need to start with philosophy, then epistemology of knowing
- 18:05and then we get to linguistics or our language and speaking. Again, Muslims are starting at step three,
- 18:12we need to start at step one and that's where Muslims need to go as well. So we need to go to who
- 18:17is the true God because it's not a law, it's Yahweh and they say, oh, you believe the Father's God,
- 18:24Jesus is God, oh, the Holy Spirit's God, oh, you believe in three gods.
- 18:28The in your loss too small, people are going to get the good philosophy, you combine that with our
- 18:34video called the Trinity in two minutes. People will learn very quickly in two minutes how the Trinity
- 18:40is not a contradiction, it is not a logical contradiction. It's just because it's beyond reason,
- 18:46doesn't mean it's against reason and so many people including Muslims think that the Trinity is
- 18:52illogical. It's not, they don't understand the difference between persons which is Father,
- 18:56Son and Holy Spirit and nature which is divine God or human which is us. God is one what's one
- 19:05divine nature but we ask who is God, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It's only the second who the
- 19:12Son slash word who took on a second what, a human nature. So I just sum it up as God is one what
- 19:18and three who's Jesus is one who and two what's because he is God and he's man and the human nature
- 19:26died in the cross. God didn't die, Divinity can't die, Muslims don't understand that. Now,
- 19:32if people watch your loss too small and they get the philosophy, they watch the Trinity in two
- 19:37minutes and they get a good understanding of that so they can explain that to people any non-Christians
- 19:43and they watch lights out when Islam rules America or any of the other things that we talk about
- 19:48the political aspects of Islam. Now they know that major stuff but they need to have a tool to get
- 19:56out to just share the gospel in general because as I said if people aren't comfortable doing
- 20:01evangelism you're not going to have a Muslim as number one on your list of people to reach out to.
- 20:06Therefore, when churches say atoni we want to get our whole church involved in doing evangelism
- 20:13Christians are supposed to be sharing the gospel. Bill Bright the founder of Campus Crusade for
- 20:17Christ decades ago took a survey and found out that only 2% of Christians in America regularly share
- 20:24their faith. You want to know why Islamization is taking place because the gospel is not being
- 20:30shared and guess what because Christians aren't going to Middle Eastern countries or highly
- 20:36Islamic countries. God is allowing them to come here then there's an evangelistic aspect of
- 20:43mass immigration. Europe failed. Guess what mass immigration for decades and they were already
- 20:52secularized and there was no spiritual solution to the spiritual problem of Islam. In America the
- 20:59church needs to stand up and needs to share the gospel with anyone and everyone. Muslims and
- 21:05non-Muslims because guess what when you share the gospel with a bunch of non-Muslims and they
- 21:10repent and put their trust in Christ they are now born again they are now Christians and guess what
- 21:16they're not going to fall for the lives of Islam. So when people look up those statistics and
- 21:21those census numbers and you see that the non-religious in North America is growing just as fast as
- 21:30Islam. Guess what that does that leaves a whole bunch of people ripe for the lie of Islam or they
- 21:39are ripe for socialism communism and yes Islam is the fastest growing fault in the world but I
- 21:47encourage everyone to go online you can actually watch it for free on YouTube. Go and watch that
- 21:522018 movie tortured for Christ because when you see the story of Richard Wormbrand the founder of
- 22:00what is it? Voice of the martyrs. Thank you. He was imprisoned and all that was happening at that time
- 22:10people see what happens when bad theology Christian quote-unquote bad theology teams up with socialism
- 22:18and communism and guess what Christians are persecuted under that just as much as they are
- 22:24under Islam for being non-Muslim. Now Dave how do we get the whole church involved in evangelism?
- 22:31Well I didn't grow up in a Christian home 25 years ago I was a work one day a customer came
- 22:36up to me in the store asked me where something was I told them he said thanks here this is for you
- 22:42and he handed me what I thought was a business card but it was actually this IQ test right here
- 22:47and it's a brain teaser and when you turn it over you find out that you're wrong which is what I
- 22:52did and then it asks six questions and says answer yes or no out loud is there a God does God
- 22:58care about right and wrong or God standards the same as ours will God punish them is there a hell
- 23:05do you avoid hell by living a good life and then it gives the answers yes yes no yes yes no
- 23:10you can't afford to be wrong find out the truth ask God to forgive your sins then trust Jesus Christ
- 23:16the wages of sin is death but Jesus took your punishment by dying on the cross for you
- 23:20then he rose from the dead read the Bible daily and obey what you read God will never let you down
- 23:25as stranger didn't give me an elegant gospel presentation he handed me this and he said five words
- 23:31here this is for you and he walked away now the powers in the seed not the sewer because on the
- 23:39back it said rate comfort calm and I was like who in the world is rate comfort so I go home I go to
- 23:45their website it says if you're Christian click yes if not click no that's what Kirk Cameron said
- 23:50so I was like oh yeah I'm a Christian because I own a Bible you know I'm not an atheist so I started
- 23:55I clicked yes and I started learning about their ministry and then I was like I wonder what happens
- 24:00when he clicked no and I went through the good person test which didn't just look at the
- 24:06commandments it explained them and it had an innocent and guilty button on the bottom corners of
- 24:11the screen so I had to click innocent or guilty to get to the next commandment so by the time I
- 24:15went through the test I realized a couple things number one I'm going to hand a hell in a hand
- 24:19basket and I was like if God's good he must punish lawbreakers and that's me and then when I
- 24:25understood the bad news the good news finally sounded like good news I understood the gospel
- 24:33and I appreciated I repented and put my trust in Christ and how did that happen not for me walking
- 24:39into a church why would I want to go to church as a non-Christian but guess what it was Christians
- 24:45outside the church who were devout and giving out gospel tracks to complete strangers because again
- 24:52the powers in the seed not the sower and that's why we want to get every church involved in
- 24:56evangelism and the number one step is to say nothing if I go get gas I put this in the credit cards
- 25:03lot next person that comes and gets gas has to get the gospel before they can put their credit
- 25:08card or debit card in so I get I teach people how to just leave tracks where people will find them
- 25:14then he move up to just saying a few words like hey you're doing a great job here something for
- 25:18you read when he go on break Dave shouldn't everybody in the church be able to do that
- 25:22shouldn't everybody in the church from the day after things giving through Christmas be able to
- 25:26say Merry Christmas and you give them a Santa million dollar bill or use the English ones throughout
- 25:34the year or use the Spanish ones or on Halloween you give out the Halloween gospel tracks with your
- 25:40candy you get hundreds of people coming to your house expecting to get something from you so when
- 25:44I'll give them the the gospel along with the candy so Dave our whole first hour of our four
- 25:50hour evangelism training is about gospel tracks Charles Spurgeon talked about gospel tracks
- 25:57Hudson Taylor was saved after finding a gospel track so I encourage people to go to our
- 26:03channels and watch simple steps to share the gospel hour one because hour one is all about
- 26:10tracks and if you can get everybody in your church to do that and every Christian in America just
- 26:16started using gospel tracks on a year round basis as a pastor had told me we would be set brother
- 26:24thank you that's a great reminder I actually put a track on top of the gas pump but you put it
- 26:29right where the credit or debit card goes in that's awesome that's a great idea so thank you by
- 26:35the way a little plug for livingwaters.com Ray Comfort Ministry living waters that's they have a
- 26:42ton of gospel tracks I just looked up the IQ test I didn't know they had that one I have a bunch of
- 26:47different ones I just ordered from them but they you can get that there Tony thank you it went by
- 26:52fast but the bottom line is friends there's too much confusion and deception out there about what
- 26:58not only what the Bible teaches but what Islam teaches and people fall for it if you're not
- 27:02biblically grounded in the truth but if you are grounded in the truth you know what the great
- 27:06commission is we will have a heart to share the gospel the truth wins that's what we've got to
- 27:10get out there good reminder from Tony Gurulay radical truth.net thank you brother thank you
- 27:18friends god bless you and as always keep speaking the truth about things that matter we'll see you next
- 27:32you