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The Malibu Anomaly: Is This an Undersea Base? · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone, my name is Preston Dennett and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. Today's episode
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  Speaker 1: is called The Malibu Anomaly. Is this an undersea UFO base?
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  Speaker 1: The Malibu Anomaly is an unusual and almost artificial looking
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  Speaker 1: structure located off the coast of Malibu in Southern California.
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  Speaker 1: It has received a lot of attention in the media
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  Speaker 1: and on the internet. as a possible undersea UFO base.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what this episode is about today. I want
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  Speaker 1: to take a deep dive into all the evidence surrounding
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  Speaker 1: this so-called Malibu anomaly and see if we can figure
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  Speaker 1: out if it is an artificial structure and if this
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  Speaker 1: is evidence of an undersea UFO base or the base itself.
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  Speaker 1: So I can tell you that I got involved in
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  Speaker 1: this field back in 1986 and almost immediately began to
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  Speaker 1: receive reports of UFOs and USOs, Unidentified Submersible Objects, in
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  Speaker 1: this area. And what I found was most all of
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  Speaker 1: the major Southern California UFO researchers knew about this area
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  Speaker 1: and considered it a major hotspot. Pioneering Southern California-based researcher
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  Speaker 1: Ann Druffle was probably the first to recognize this area
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  Speaker 1: as a hotspot, and she's collected and investigated many encounters.
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  Speaker 1: So has Bill Hamilton. So has Yvonne Smith. Robert Stanley.
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  Speaker 1: Barbara Lamb. Many researchers in this area have collected accounts
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  Speaker 1: from this one particular stretch of water. This stretch of
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  Speaker 1: water is known as the Santa Catalina San Pedro Channel.
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  Speaker 1: It's a sharply defined area with a huge number of
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  Speaker 1: UFO and USO accounts. And when I began to receive
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  Speaker 1: reports myself, I started to collect them. because it was
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  Speaker 1: clear to me that there was something very unusual going
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  Speaker 1: on in this area. And that was my first real
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  Speaker 1: data point pointing towards the possibility of an undersea USO base.
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  Speaker 1: It was the huge number of reports in this sharply
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  Speaker 1: defined area stretching back over 100 years. The second real
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  Speaker 1: data point was that some of these encounters involved not
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  Speaker 1: one or two objects, but dozens. Many people have reported 10, 20, 30,
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  Speaker 1: even 40 objects coming up out of the water, and
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  Speaker 1: in fact I have a couple of cases involving more
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  Speaker 1: than 100 objects. And that's when I really began to wonder,
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  Speaker 1: could there be some sort of an undersea base in
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  Speaker 1: this area? Because if there wasn't, there was certainly a
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  Speaker 1: parking lot filled with UFOs and USOs. I also started
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  Speaker 1: to receive reports from abductees, contactees who told me that
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  Speaker 1: they believed there might be a UFO base and in
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  Speaker 1: fact a couple of them said that they believed they
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  Speaker 1: were actually taken inside this base so that was another
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  Speaker 1: data point that I'll get into in just a bit
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  Speaker 1: I can say that all the locals in this area
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  Speaker 1: well most of them certainly know about the activity in
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  Speaker 1: this area it's very well known In fact, it's so
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  Speaker 1: active that there is quite a few photographs taken of UFOs, USOs,
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  Speaker 1: in this area. Not one or two, but nearly a
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  Speaker 1: dozen cases of people who've been able to photograph UFOs
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  Speaker 1: right in this same exact area. So these were all
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  Speaker 1: these data points that I began to collect, which really
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  Speaker 1: made me wonder if there was an undersea UFO base.
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  Speaker 1: Mind you, this was well before the so-called Malibu anomaly
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  Speaker 1: was discovered. And back in 2006, I wrote an article
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  Speaker 1: for Fate magazine titled, Is There an Undersea UFO Base
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  Speaker 1: Off the California Coast? To my surprise and delight, the
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  Speaker 1: editors at Fate magazine put it on the cover. The
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  Speaker 1: article itself went viral and was published all over the
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  Speaker 1: internet and even in newspapers, and it led to a
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  Speaker 1: series of interviews. I started speaking on this subject, and
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  Speaker 1: the History Channel called me up and asked me to
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  Speaker 1: be a part of their show, Deep Sea UFOs. It
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  Speaker 1: was very successful, so they called me back for Deep
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  Speaker 1: Sea UFOs 2 and other television programs. And this, of course,
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  Speaker 1: led to more reports coming in. I eventually collected 150-some
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  Speaker 1: reports of UFOs and USOs, and I plotted them all
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  Speaker 1: on a map. And as I looked at these reports,
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  Speaker 1: dots on the map showing the distribution of these UFOs
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  Speaker 1: and USOs, it became clear to me that they were
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  Speaker 1: clustered all in this one area, the Santa Catalina Channel,
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  Speaker 1: but particularly off the coast of Malibu. And I thought
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  Speaker 1: to myself, well, if there is an undersea base in
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  Speaker 1: this area, it's probably somewhere off the coast of Malibu.
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  Speaker 1: And again, this is before the so-called Malibu anomaly was discovered.
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  Speaker 1: The first person that I could find to actually mention
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  Speaker 1: the possibility of an undersea base was not me. It
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  Speaker 1: was Robert Stanley, a Southern California-based researcher. He grew up
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  Speaker 1: in Malibu. He's the editor of the now-defunct magazine Unicus.
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  Speaker 1: And he was the first to mention the possibility of
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  Speaker 1: an undersea UFO base. In an article for his magazine, Unicus,
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  Speaker 1: published in 1994, Robert Stanley wrote, and I quote, Even
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  Speaker 1: in the 60s, families were going down to the beach
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  Speaker 1: and waiting for a UFO to pass by. Many times
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  Speaker 1: I have wondered about the possibility of a facility being
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  Speaker 1: located underwater where the Valley of Mu now rests. There
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  Speaker 1: have been many sightings by military and civilian sources of
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  Speaker 1: UFOs entering and leaving the ocean in that area. It's
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  Speaker 1: possible they also have something going on deep inside the mountains.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, he's absolutely the first to talk about the
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  Speaker 1: possibility of a base. He had been very interested in
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  Speaker 1: unusual geological formations in the Santa Monica Mountains. and later
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  Speaker 1: he would be the first to discover the actual Malibu
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  Speaker 1: anomaly itself. But before that, I was receiving reports of
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  Speaker 1: people who had been taken, apparently, inside an underground base
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  Speaker 1: in this area. I'd talked to many abductees and contactees
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  Speaker 1: who'd been taken on board UFOs, but a few of
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  Speaker 1: them said that they were taken into what appeared to
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  Speaker 1: be an underground area, For me, the most compelling case
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  Speaker 1: of this kind comes from a gentleman I'll call Paul Nelson.
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  Speaker 1: That's a pseudonym. I interviewed him because he had a
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  Speaker 1: very unusual experience on Catalina Island when he was just
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  Speaker 1: a young teenager. Today, Paul is a medical doctor, a
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  Speaker 1: private pilot, so he's a really good witness. He does
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  Speaker 1: not want his name associated with with this experience so
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  Speaker 1: he is anonymous but way back in 1967 when Paul
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  Speaker 1: was 12 years old he and his family took a
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  Speaker 1: vacation on Catalina Island and Paul and his best friend
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  Speaker 1: were on a boat in Avalon Harbor when they experienced
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  Speaker 1: a period of missing time as Paul says it was
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  Speaker 1: just after dark far away from sleep time we sat
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  Speaker 1: down got our comic books open, and then instantly we
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  Speaker 1: were unconscious. The next thing we realized, it was morning.
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  Speaker 1: At the time, Paul and his friend didn't know what
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  Speaker 1: had happened. They just could not believe they had fallen
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  Speaker 1: asleep because they were super excited to read their new
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  Speaker 1: comic books. It made no sense to them. Interestingly, it
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  Speaker 1: was just two weeks later, Paul had another unusual experience
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  Speaker 1: in his home in Tarzana, in which he saw the
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  Speaker 1: shadow of what appeared to be a gray type being
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  Speaker 1: on the wall of the hallway in his house. But
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't until he was an adult that he found
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  Speaker 1: out about the UFO phenomena that he connected the dots
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  Speaker 1: and realized that this could be related to what he
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  Speaker 1: had experienced. And he eventually went under hypnotic regression. And
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  Speaker 1: under this hypnotic regression, he was taken back to that
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  Speaker 1: 1967 incident on Catalina Island and he recalled being taken
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  Speaker 1: not into a UFO but into what appears to be
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  Speaker 1: an underground area and I'll just let Paul describe what
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  Speaker 1: he recalls as he says I was taken into a
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  Speaker 1: round walled room it seemed to me more underground than
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  Speaker 1: it did on board a ship the walls had kind
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  Speaker 1: of a rock like facet to them and I was
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  Speaker 1: on a table and There were some machines on the walls.
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  Speaker 1: The beings weren't the typical greys. They were more like
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  Speaker 1: the praying mantis type. The eyes were slightly bigger than
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  Speaker 1: what is seen in the typical small grey and a
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  Speaker 1: little more insectoid-like. They wore tight-fitting uniforms, jumpsuit-like things. I
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  Speaker 1: think there was one in that bunch that had a
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  Speaker 1: tunic-type thing, more looser-fitting over it. Paul recalled that he
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  Speaker 1: was just told to sit on a bench and wait
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  Speaker 1: while his friend was taken into another chamber and apparently examined.
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  Speaker 1: Paul felt no fear. He wasn't the target of interest.
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  Speaker 1: It was his friend. But for him, it was just
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  Speaker 1: a very interesting experience. And I found it fascinating because
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like he was inside a UFO. And
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  Speaker 1: there are a few other cases where people report this
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  Speaker 1: sort of thing. Another case comes from well-known abductee Kim Carlsberg.
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  Speaker 1: Kim Carlsberg is a professional photographer. She worked on the
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  Speaker 1: television series Baywatch and back in 1988 started to have
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  Speaker 1: UFO sightings and onboard UFO encounters, some of which she remembered,
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  Speaker 1: some of which were shrouded in missing time. This was
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  Speaker 1: quite frightening for her. These involved by gray-type extraterrestrials. It
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  Speaker 1: was not a pleasant experience for her. But she did
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  Speaker 1: have one experience in 1992 where she was taken to
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  Speaker 1: a vast auditorium area which she didn't say specifically was
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  Speaker 1: underground but certainly could have been just given the size
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  Speaker 1: of this room. And as Kim says, I woke up
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  Speaker 1: in a lobby room where many human beings were milling around.
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  Speaker 1: They reminded me of patients waiting to endure their turn
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  Speaker 1: in a dentist chair. She said it looked very much
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  Speaker 1: like an auditorium, and she was told by the ETs
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  Speaker 1: that they were all being prepared for something. So that's
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  Speaker 1: another case. A third case comes from UFO researcher Debbie Zegelmeyer.
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  Speaker 1: who has been studying USO accounts for several years. She
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  Speaker 1: interviewed a Southern California-based abductee by the name of Linda Porter,
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  Speaker 1: who claimed to be taken to an underground base when
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  Speaker 1: she was just a teenager. And I will just quote
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  Speaker 1: Linda Porter in her own words, and let her describe
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  Speaker 1: what she experienced. As Linda Porter says... I was supposedly
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  Speaker 1: taken to an underground base off the coast of California.
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  Speaker 1: For some reason, I was led to believe it was
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  Speaker 1: in the Santa Barbara area. If you were standing on
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  Speaker 1: sand at the bottom of the ocean where this place
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  Speaker 1: was at, all you could see is what looks like
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  Speaker 1: a silver submarine conning tower coming up out of the sand.
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  Speaker 1: It would probably be the height of a two- or
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  Speaker 1: three-story building. I was told this tower thing was camouflaged
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  Speaker 1: by an electronic net of some kind that renders it invisible.
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  Speaker 1: And they also have something around it that seems to
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  Speaker 1: repel people and fish. Inside the building, the floors and
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  Speaker 1: the walls and the ceiling were all of a silver-gray color.
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  Speaker 1: There was a lot of light. Linda also reports that
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  Speaker 1: she saw many doorways, and on top of each doorway
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  Speaker 1: there was strange writing which looked like Arabic or maybe
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  Speaker 1: Egyptian hieroglyphics. So there's a third case. So these were
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  Speaker 1: the data points that really had me wondering, could there
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  Speaker 1: be an undersea base off the Southern California coast? Robert
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  Speaker 1: Stanley had been particularly interested in unusual geological formations in
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  Speaker 1: the Santa Monica Mountains and wondered if these were perhaps
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  Speaker 1: evidence of an ancient civilization known as Mu. And he
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  Speaker 1: first started looking at all the structures above the water
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  Speaker 1: in the Santa Monica Mountains itself, but eventually extended his
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  Speaker 1: research into unusual structures beneath the ocean's surface. And using
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  Speaker 1: Google Maps, he made a very interesting discovery back in 2009.
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  Speaker 1: He saw what we now know to be the Malibu Anomaly.
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  Speaker 1: And back then, there were no applications to look at
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  Speaker 1: a different angle, so you could only look at it
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  Speaker 1: from above. But what he saw was this extremely large
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  Speaker 1: anomaly flat area right off the coast of Malibu. And
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  Speaker 1: as he writes, this mound looks man-made and is perfectly
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  Speaker 1: flat on top. It is very large and is located
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  Speaker 1: due west of the ruins on Boney Ridge. To me,
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  Speaker 1: this mound-shaped object appeared to be an artificial ancient platform
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  Speaker 1: that is now under the water. In 2010, I decided
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  Speaker 1: to pin the strange underwater mound in Malibu on Google
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  Speaker 1: Earth for future reference. However, at that time, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: think it was connected to the well-documented UFO and USO
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  Speaker 1: activity in the area, which I had experienced many times
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  Speaker 1: near Point Magoo by myself and with friends. In 2010...
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  Speaker 1: I also noticed what appeared to be columns at the
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  Speaker 1: base of the mound, but I could not see the
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  Speaker 1: area in any detail. Robert Stanley knew about my research.
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  Speaker 1: I had contributed to Unicus magazine and was collecting these
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  Speaker 1: underwater reports for my book, First UFOs Over California. And
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  Speaker 1: he actually emailed me and told me about this strange
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  Speaker 1: anomaly off the Southern California coast. I thought to myself, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's interesting because it did look artificial. And if you
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  Speaker 1: look around this area, there's nothing quite like it. At
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  Speaker 1: the time, I didn't know really what to think of it.
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  Speaker 1: But it was not long after this that this anomaly
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  Speaker 1: began to really get a lot more attention. On January 21st, 2013,
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  Speaker 1: I received an email from a gentleman who identified himself
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  Speaker 1: as Maxwell. And he sent me a Google link showing
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  Speaker 1: this massive structure. And he wrote in his email to me,
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  Speaker 1: Here's something right off the Southern California coast, south of
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  Speaker 1: Point Magoo. It's three miles offshore. Zoom in on it
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  Speaker 1: and notice the entry areas. There are many underwater structures,
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  Speaker 1: including huge machines, scraping the ocean floor. So this was
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  Speaker 1: intriguing to me because not only did the structure have
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  Speaker 1: a very smooth, flat top, but you could see what
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  Speaker 1: appeared to be columns and what looked like a tunnel.
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  Speaker 1: By this point, I had received reports that there were
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  Speaker 1: tunnels crisscrossing the United States, and one leading from Area
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  Speaker 1: 51 in Nevada to Edwards Air Force Base in the
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  Speaker 1: high deserts of Southern California, all the way to the
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  Speaker 1: Santa Catalina Channel. I thought, wow, perhaps this is the
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  Speaker 1: tunnel that I've been informed about, or perhaps this is
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  Speaker 1: the actual area undersea UFO base itself because it was
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  Speaker 1: located almost exactly where I had predicted there might be
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  Speaker 1: an undersea base so I was very much intrigued but
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  Speaker 1: this whole story caught fire in 2014 when radio host
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  Speaker 1: Jimmy Church was also contacted by Maxwell And together they
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  Speaker 1: started to look more deeply into this structure and using
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  Speaker 1: Google applications they looked at this space from various angles
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  Speaker 1: and obtained images of what definitely appears to be huge
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  Speaker 1: columns or pillars and a deep dark tunnel leading into
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  Speaker 1: the coastline there and he published these images along with
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  Speaker 1: a little blog post and it went viral and he
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  Speaker 1: called me up and because he knew about my research
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  Speaker 1: into this area as well and had me on his
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  Speaker 1: radio show on May 25th 2014 I appeared on episode
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  Speaker 1: 67 of Fade to Black and discussed this Malibu anomaly
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  Speaker 1: with Jimmy Church and we started talking about the name Maxwell,
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  Speaker 1: it rang a bell and I looked back in my
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  Speaker 1: emails and I saw, sure enough, this was the same
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  Speaker 1: guy who had contacted me a few years earlier. But
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  Speaker 1: credit does have to be given to Jimmy Church for
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  Speaker 1: really publicizing this Malibu anomaly and making it famous. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: Robert Stanley was the one who, I think, first discovered it,
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  Speaker 1: as near as I can tell. But Jimmy Church was
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  Speaker 1: the one who made it famous. Because on May 15th, 2014,
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  Speaker 1: author Mark D. Kovar released a press statement which said
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  Speaker 1: in part, and I quote, a massive underwater entrance has
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  Speaker 1: been discovered off of the Malibu, California coast at Point Doom,
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  Speaker 1: which appears to be the holy grail of USO, UFO
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  Speaker 1: researchers that have been looking for for it over the
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  Speaker 1: last 40 years. The plateau structure is 1.35 miles by 2.45
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  Speaker 1: miles wide and 6 miles from land and the entrance
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  Speaker 1: between the support pillars is 2,745 feet wide and 630
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  Speaker 1: feet tall. It also has what looks like a total
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  Speaker 1: nuclear bomb-proof ceiling that is 500 feet thick. The discovery
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  Speaker 1: was made by Maxwell, Dale Romero, and Jimmy Church, host
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  Speaker 1: of Fade to Black, on the Dark Matter Radio Network
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  Speaker 1: on Monday, May 12, 2014, and announced on Facebook, Twitter,
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  Speaker 1: and Church's radio program the following day. The underwater base
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  Speaker 1: has been a mystery for many years with hundreds of UFO,
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  Speaker 1: USO sightings, many with photographs, but the entrance of the
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  Speaker 1: base has remained elusive until now. So the coordinates of
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  Speaker 1: the base are 34°123.31N 118°59.45.64W which is very close to
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  Speaker 1: the center of the activity. And in Jimmy Church's YouTube
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  Speaker 1: post about the anomaly, he writes, The structure itself doesn't
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  Speaker 1: fit in with its natural surroundings. This discovery was made
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  Speaker 1: by Maxwell, Dale Romero, and myself two weeks ago. This
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  Speaker 1: has been the center, the hub, of USO UFO activity
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  Speaker 1: going back 40 years. Thousands of witnesses going up and
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  Speaker 1: down the coast. The residents here just pull up lawn
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  Speaker 1: chairs and watch the lights come in and out of
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  Speaker 1: the water all day long. It's what they do. Now,
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  Speaker 1: is this proof of an entrance to something inland? We
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  Speaker 1: don't know. It could be natural. It could be 10,000
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  Speaker 1: years old. It could be 100 years old. We don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Why hasn't it been investigated or revealed until now? We
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  Speaker 1: don't know. So this was in fact discovered by Robert Stanley,
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  Speaker 1: but Jimmy Church was the one who made it super famous.
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  Speaker 1: And in fact, after publicizing this, his YouTube post eventually
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  Speaker 1: garnered well over 370,000 views. And this Malibu anomaly became
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  Speaker 1: world famous and was the talk of the UFO community
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  Speaker 1: for quite some time and still is. And a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people started to come forth with information about what
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  Speaker 1: they knew. One contactee wrote that it was a rogue
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  Speaker 1: Pleiadian base. And other whistleblowers started to come out saying
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  Speaker 1: that this was something the military was well aware of
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  Speaker 1: and that there were, in fact, underground bases in this area. So,
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  Speaker 1: The question is, is this actually a natural formation or not? And,
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  Speaker 1: of course, there are people on both sides of the fence.
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  Speaker 1: Some are debunkers saying, no, this is not real, or
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  Speaker 1: skeptics who do not believe it, and others are absolutely convinced.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a bit on the fence about it. I want
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  Speaker 1: to remain objective because, honestly, I don't know But just
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  Speaker 1: looking at the structure, it does look unusual. But is
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  Speaker 1: this natural or is it not? And how much can
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  Speaker 1: we trust these Google images? So a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: really started to question these images. And one researcher who
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  Speaker 1: looked into it quite deeply is researcher Lee Spiegel. He
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  Speaker 1: interviewed a lot of the people involved. and wrote an
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  Speaker 1: article for the Huffington Post, which was somewhat skeptical in tone,
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  Speaker 1: but did leave the possibility open that this was, in fact,
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  Speaker 1: a legitimate undersea base. The article begins, and I quote,
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  Speaker 1: A little more than six miles off the coast of
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  Speaker 1: Pointe du Malibu, California, an unusual-looking structure sits on the
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  Speaker 1: seabed floor. Based on images obtained on Google Earth, the
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: oval-shaped object has a huge flat top and what appears
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: to be pillars or columns that seem to reveal the
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: entrance to a dark inner place. The anomaly, for the
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: moment we'll call it that, is approximately 2,000 feet below
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: the surface of the water, measuring nearly 3 miles wide.
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  Speaker 1: What exactly is this thing? Lee Spiegel interviewed Jimmy Church,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: and Jimmy Church is quoted as saying, My first impression
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: was that it was Greek. It looked artificial and didn't
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: look natural. It just stands out that it has to
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: be some kind of roof. It's not unlike a domed
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: stadium or a covered indoor racetrack or an Olympic arena.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: It's got that feel to it. But Spiegel went and
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: got interviews from skeptics who are convinced that it is
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: absolutely a natural formation. He contacted earthquake geologist David Schwartz
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: of the U.S. Geological Survey, who was skeptical that this
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: was an artificial construct. And as David Schwartz says, and
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: I quote, I think it's natural and it's part of
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: the continental shelf. It's just a complicated part of what's
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: now offshore that has seen some erosion and maybe slumping,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: when perhaps this was partially exposed when the sea level
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: was lower. This is a really major earthquake area, and
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: perhaps some of these features are a result of slope
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: failures due to shaking. There's no flag under the water
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: that says, I'm the entrance to an alien base. There's
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: nothing unnatural looking about it. It's just showing some sort
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: of variation in the offshore coastal morphology. So this Malibu
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: anomaly is actually known as Sycamore Knoll, which is in
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: fact a thrust fault. And according to David Schwartz of
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: the U.S. Geological Survey, this is, in fact, a natural formation.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Lee Spiegel also interviewed John Anthony West, who is an
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Egyptologist who has studied ancient formations. He's not a UFO
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: researcher by any means, but is familiar with large stone structures.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: And according to Egyptologist John Anthony West, and I quote,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: my first reaction, knowing that it was 2,000 feet under
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the water, was that under no circumstances could it in
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: fact be artificial, man-made. It doesn't look at all man-made.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: It has what looks like pillars there, but they're unevenly spaced.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: And then to the right, you see other seeming pillars that,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: are still attached actually to the bedrock in the process
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: of forming. So West believes that this is a natural
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: geological formation. Finally, Lee Spiegel contacted FBI agent, former FBI agent,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: if there is such a thing, Ben Hanson. And Ben...
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Hanson provided Google images of the base from different angles
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: which showed this structure with no tunnel and what appears
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: to be solid walls and he was also skeptical that
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: this was anything artificial Now here's the crux of the problem.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: We have different images, some of which clearly show a
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: tunnel and some which don't. So how do you choose
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: between them? Which ones are accurate? It's very hard to say.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: You can't very well choose one over the other and
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: still be objective about this. We have to examine all
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: the evidence. But according to Hansen, these Google images are
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: not necessarily reliable. As he says, the dark areas that
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: people are saying look like the inside of the base
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: really start to look just like shadings of indentations to
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: the shelf, and the pillars are now represented as jagged ridges.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: We're dealing with limited information to render the graphic because
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: we can see it evidenced in the disparity of image
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: quality between the anomaly and the areas immediately surrounding it.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: The blurry sections and jagged edges obviously suggest a patchwork
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: of image processing has taken place. So I don't know
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: if I trust a former FBI agent or not when
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: we know the FBI is actively engaged in a UFO cover-up.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: So I certainly wouldn't expect them to say that this
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: is a real, honest-to-God alien base. But Lee Spiegel did
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: some good research into this area, and closing off his article,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: he left open the possibility that this was, in fact, genuine.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: As he says, In the end, we're left with a
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: variety of theories to explain the Malibu anomaly, a.k.a. Sycamore Knoll.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Will the UFO alien underwater-based proponents be eventually proven right?
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: leaving geologists in the deep blue dust scratching their heads
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: and wondering how they got it all wrong. So Lee
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Spiegel was actually going to appear on Jimmy Church's show,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Fade to Black, but following the appearance of this article,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: which came off as somewhat skeptical, he was not on
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: the show. His appearance was canceled for some reason. And
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: this led to a little bit of a dust-up that
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: possibly there was a disagreement between Jamie Church and Lee Spiegel,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: both of whom deny this. But there was an article
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: written by Jim Paris titled, And Lee Spiegel, in response
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: to this article, writes, Sorry to disappoint, but there is
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: no bitter feud shaping up here. On the day that
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: my piece was published, I sent it to Jimmy and
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: fully expected him to confirm my appearance on his show. Instead,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: he emailed to let me know that he'd be discussing
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: my story later that night. But when he didn't mention
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: that he wanted me to join him, I knew that
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: something wasn't quite right. Later that evening, I tuned into
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: the show to discover Jimmy talking about how one-sided my
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: article was. and that my story placed too much emphasis
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: on the idea that the underwater object may simply have
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: been a natural geological formation. Lee Spiegel defends his viewpoint
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: and writes, What I found in my research into the
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: existence of the alleged Malibu UFO base was that there
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: is no definitive evidence of that. It's more speculation and conjecture, i.e.,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: the fact that there have been sightings of UFOs, USOs
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: in this area, or that this underwater object seems to
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: be situated in a geographic region that's allegedly within the
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: coordinates of military installations. Speculation is not evidence. My job,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: despite what I may personally believe, is to gather information
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: from different sources and put that information into cohesive articles
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: that offer different points of view to help readers decide
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: for themselves which way the evidence leads them. That's exactly
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: how I wrote my Malibu underwater object story, and I
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: won't apologize to anyone out there who may be unhappy
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: that I didn't more fully support the idea that we're
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: dealing with a UFO alien base out there in the water.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I went where the evidence took me, and I offered
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: it up. If we all adhere to the mantra of
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: go where the evidence leads you, this whole UFO alien
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: issue will be much better off. And I agree. Yes,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: let's follow the evidence. And that's why I find these
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Google images so intriguing and why I find it interesting
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: that some choose to look at the images where it
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: doesn't show this tunnel and others choose to look at
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: the images where they do. And I will say most
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: of these images do show this tunnel And if you
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: look at this Malibu anomaly, it does look a little strange.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Is it artificial? I mean, it's hard to say for sure,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: but I find it fascinating that it's right in the
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: middle where there are so, so many of these UFO,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: USO reports. So let's go back to researcher Robert Stanley,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: because when this whole controversy hit the internet, and he
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: saw that the so-called Malibu anomaly that he discovered was
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: going viral, he had a few words to say about
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: it for sure. And as he says in an article
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: that he published in 2015 titled, Who Discovered the So-Called
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Malibu UFO Base? Robert Stanley writes, I am certain that
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: the U.S. Navy has known about the underwater structure entrance
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: for quite a few decades, but has not reported it publicly. However,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I was the first civilian to discover the strange site
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: while using 2009 Google Maps. That's when I found what
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: appears to be an ancient artificial underwater platform off the
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: coast of Malibu, which made headlines around the world in 2014.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: He wrote that he believes it may very well be
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: extraterrestrial in origin. As he writes, it was constructed by
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: and for amphibious alien gods. And he speculates that this
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: might be connected to all the strange ruins or alleged
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: strange ruins that he found in the mountains of Malibu.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: But in a later article published in 2016, Robert Stanley
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: wrote a more skeptical viewpoint of the possibility of this
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: being an active alien base. And he also finds some
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: of the Google images suspect. As he says, Unfortunately, the
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: digital images posted on the Internet of what appear to
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: be giant pillars holding up a massive roof to an
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: entrance into the Earth are actually erosion marks on a
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: large cliff. The data on Google Earth is generated by
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: vertical scans, which create distortions in vertical objects when tilt
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: is applied to the map. But he still admits that
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: this formation does look strange. He says the top of
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: this formation is incredibly flat, and it has some interesting
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: features that do not appear on Google Earth. But he's
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: absolutely not convinced that this is necessarily an alien base.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Or is he? He's apparently flip-flopped a little bit on this.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: But as he writes, Unfortunately, these illusionary images and unsubstantiated
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: claims continue to captivate the imagination of millions of people
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: around the world. Hopefully my new article will set the
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: record straight. And finally, he closes it off by saying,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: If there is a doorway to an underwater base in
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: that area, there is no way the Navy wants the
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: public or other military powers to see it. However, they
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: may want to distract everyone's attention by digitally creating and
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: promoting a mythical UFO base off the coast of Malibu.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, this is just deepening the controversy here.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Are we dealing with misinformation? disinformation, or unreliable Google images?
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: It's very hard to say. But we are still stuck
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: with what appears to be an unusual structure. off the
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Malibu coast. And it wasn't long before more people started
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: to research it. More recently, in 2017, Rob Lowe and
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: his two sons starred in a reality TV series called
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: The Lowe Files. in which they investigated various paranormal and
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: UFO claims, and they eventually tackled this subject, the Malibu anomaly,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: and on August 8, 2017, decided that they would go
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: off the coast of Malibu and send down a little
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: submersible submarine and see if they could find out whether
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: this structure was artificial or not. And they sent down
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: this little unmanned submarine, joining with scientists and with Chase Kloetsky,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: a field investigator from the Mutual UFO Network, and sent
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: down this submersible to photograph the anomaly. And first they
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: explored the top of the structure, looking for any signs
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: of artificial construction. And while they found that the surface
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: was incredibly flat, they couldn't see any markings that definitively
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: showed that this was artificially constructed. And next they dived
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: down to the front and the base of the anomaly. Unfortunately,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: visibility at that depth was almost nil. They couldn't really
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: see much at all, even with bright lights. And they...
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: were able to get images of what appeared to be
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: the foot of one of these so-called pillars, as seen
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: on Google Images, but could not find any evidence that
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: this was artificially built, artificially constructed. This was just a
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: one or two day long operation, so it wasn't really
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: given the time, money, and effort it deserves to fully make,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: I think, definitive conclusions as to the nature of of
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: this anomaly, but it was the first attempt, as far
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: as I know, for anyone to send any type of
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: submersible down there to check it out. Unfortunately, the evidence,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I think, is inconclusive. But MUFON, of course, joined the hunt.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Chase Kloetsky was a part of this team, and she
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: eventually wrote an article for MUFON along with Carrie McClure.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: And the title of the article was The Malibu Underwater
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Base Investigation as Seen on the Low Files. And as
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Chase Kloetsky and Carrie McClure write, the Malibu Underwater Alien
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Base Allegation has been under active investigation and research by
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: many MUFON investigators for several years, starting as early as 2014. Actually,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I was researching it well before 2014, all the way
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: back in the late 1980s. I wish they would have
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: contacted me. I could have given them quite a bit
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: of information about the UFO reports in this area. But
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Chase Kowalski did do some really interesting investigations. She contacted
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: the nearby... naval base, Port Wainimi, Point Magoo Naval Base,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: which is located just north of this area, and asked
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: them if they were aware of the Malibu anomaly. She
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: spoke with an officer who told her, of course. They
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: were absolutely aware of this underwater anomaly, or as they
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: called it, underwater base rumors. And they told her that
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: it was not a base, but was the result of
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: an earthquake thrust fault. But because of this, they keep
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: the area under very close observation. And Chase Kuletsky and
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: MUFON researchers investigated the images provided by the low files
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: investigation into this anomaly. And as Kuletsky writes, no evidence
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: of an opening nor pillars were visible. There were no
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: signs of typical man-made construction as in straight lines, corners,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: or 90-degree angles. No machine markings were seen and nothing
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: was found that would indicate or allow suspicions of man-made
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: artifacts or construction on the Sycamore Knoll. The scientific study
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: and examination confirmed a natural geological formation that is consistent
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: with the geological features of the California coastline. The final
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: conclusion of the MUFON Special Assignment Team investigator, Chase Kloetsky,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: is that the Google satellite image of the alleged Malibu
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: underwater alien military base is a natural thrust fault that
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: features all of the expected characteristics of a geological formation
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: in an appropriate area such as the Doom and Santa
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Monica faults. The columns that are present in the images
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: but do not actually exist, are an artifact of the
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Google Earth satellite imaging construction process. Well, I'm not sure
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: how they can definitively conclude that, especially when the Rob
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Lowe investigation was really done on a shoestring budget and
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: was very brief and didn't have the technology to really
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: pierce into the uh visibility that was down there so
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: i am not sure that they can really conclude that
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: this was artificial or not so they concluded that this
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: was a natural formation uh anyway and i'm honestly not
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: so sure i'm still on the fence about it for
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: a few reasons uh There was another interesting development in
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: this case in 2014 when a ham radio operator in
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Malibu began to pick up strange radio signals, which were
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: around 54 kilocycles on a 12-meter radio band. And according
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: to him, they were steady as a rock and sounded
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: like they were being transmitted from next door. And he's
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: an electronics and radio expert and a former Navy officer.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Robert Stanley interviewed the gentleman, and these radio signals seem
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: to be coming from exactly where this Malibu anomaly is located.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: So that's really interesting. Here's where the story gets even stranger.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Musician Merrill Fankhauser, who's probably best known for his hit song, Wipeout,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: a very successful musician, is also a part of this
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: whole story. I actually corresponded with Merrill Fankhauser because he
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: had friends who would go down to the Malibu area
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: and watch these lights coming in and out of the water.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Merrill Fankhauser confirmed this to me, and so we stayed
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: in correspondence for a little while. And after hearing about
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: these strange radio signals, he was also intrigued and eventually
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: started incorporating them into his music. And he learned more
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: about them. As Merrill Fankhauser says, the old World War
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: II expert who recorded the signals had a range finder
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: and zeroed in on where the signals were coming from,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: and it was exactly where the underwater structure was. He
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: didn't even know it was there until he started investigating.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: He thought it was some Navy submarine activity at first.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Merle Fankhauser incorporated these strange beeping tones into his album
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Signals from Malibu and Messages from the Dome. And as
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Fankhauser writes, both have gotten a lot of radio play
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: here and in Europe. Interesting thing, the sounds in Messages
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: from the Dome shut down four radio stations. I'm having
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: an engineer at Skywalker Ranch analyze the sounds. Fankhauser appeared
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: on the Bob Hieronymus 21st Century Radio show and was
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: on that show. Bob Hieronymus played some beeping tones provided
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: by contactees. And as Merrill Fankhauser says, these tones were, quote,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: almost the same. Merrill Fankhauser appeared on a radio show
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: to promote his album, and he also received some interesting
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: information about this. As he says, I was on a
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: big Clear Channel radio interview a year or so ago.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: We were talking about signals from Malibu, and I mentioned
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: the underwater anomaly was not too far from Point Mugu
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Naval Base. the host knew somebody at the base and
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: called them on the air when asked about the anomaly
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: and the strange radio signals the guy at the base
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: said I can't talk about that and hung up another
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: clue that there might be more to this comes from
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: researcher Ken Pfeiffer who said that this Malibu anomaly may
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: actually be being used by the U.S. military. As Ken
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Pfeiffer says, I was told this by a high-ranking Navy
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: command officer that there are three tunnels from Malibu to
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: China Lake. He also told me that there is a
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: city on the ocean floor with about 100 families. My
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: relative held a Navy ranking just below Rear Admiral. Another
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: account of a whistleblower comes from a blogger on the
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: internet known as Agent K, who wrote an article titled,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Is There a USO Base Near Catalina Island? And as
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: he writes in this article, I don't want to get
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: too deep into the history of these sightings since researchers
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: like Preston Dennett from MUFON have already done a fantastic
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: job of that. His compilation of 50 of the best
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: reports from the area is well worth the read and
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: provides a great timeline of key events. But most interesting
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: to me was that he interviewed a lady he calls
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Martha who is a government whistleblower claiming that there is
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: in fact an undersea base which has not only humans
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: but ETs working along together. according to Agent K, and
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: I quote, She continued on to state that the military
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: is directly involved with these aliens, and they even have
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: an underwater base in the San Pedro Basin near Catalina
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Island where they work with the Greys. So the blogger,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Agent K, and Martha were talking, and Martha asked him
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: if he was familiar with the Greys, and he said, yes,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: of course. and asked her how she had obtained this
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: information about this so-called undersea base. And she told him
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: that she had heard it from different sources over the years,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: and that it was all true, and added that much
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: of the information is available on the internet, so it's
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: safe to discuss. And Agent K said that perhaps the
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: alien presence would be disclosed to the public. And Martha,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: the whistleblower, said, oh, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: They've been here for a very long time. And as
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Agent K writes in his article, So here again we
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: have a highly intelligent professional who was employed in a
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: classified position with a military contractor who supports the theory
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: of a possible USO base near Catalina Island in a
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: very matter-of-fact manner. She's elderly but still quite tech-savvy and
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: with no apparent reason to make up a story like this.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Martha strikes me as further confirmation of something decidedly extraterrestrial
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: lurking in the waters off Long Beach. So, ultimately, now
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: that we've gathered all the information on this so-called Malibu anomaly,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: I'm still unable to decide personally whether it's artificial or not.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: I remain on the fence about it. I find it
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: very intriguing, but I'm not really willing to say for
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: sure that this is absolutely an undersea base or even
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: a tunnel until we have further confirmation. I did write
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: about this, of course, in my book, Undersea UFO Base,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: an in-depth investigation into USO activity in the Santa Catalina Channel.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: This book is all about all these things this Malibu anomaly,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: all the eyewitness reports and all the information I've been
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: able to gather over a period of well over two
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: decades pointing towards the possibility of an undersea UFO base
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: in this area. And I think I've built a pretty
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: compelling argument that something very unusual is going on here
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: at the very least. So it is what it is.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe there's a base there, maybe it isn't. Maybe this
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: is a natural phenomena. Maybe it's artificially constructed. Even if
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: it is natural, it could very well be a tunnel
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  Speaker 1: that is in use by ETs or even the U.S. government.
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  Speaker 1: At this point, I don't think we really have enough
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: information to decide one way or the other. An interesting
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: end note to all of this comes again from Meryl Fankhauser,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: who contacted me again after learning some really interesting information.
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  Speaker 1: Merrill Fankhauser was in Las Vegas and had the opportunity
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: to speak with a Native American elder. This Native American
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: gentleman was part of the Chumash tribe, the Gabrielano Native Americans,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: who have lived in this area off the Southern California
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  Speaker 1: coast for thousands of years. And they have a long
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: oral tradition stretching back and forth. the subject of UFOs
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: came up leading to this Malibu anomaly and the Native
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: American elder told Merrill Fankhauser that yes, they are absolutely
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: aware of this structure and that according to their history,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: their oral tradition, this structure used to be above water
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: when the sea level was much lower thousands of years
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: ago and that they did not build it. So the
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: implication was that this was, in fact, artificial. They said
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: the sea level was so low that they could sit
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: on the edge of this thing and fish off of it.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: So that's a little interesting data point which I thought
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: would share, which again points towards the possibility that this is,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: in fact, an undersea UFO base. I don't know. I
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: will leave it for you to decide. I've presented the
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: evidence as far as I know it. And yeah, I
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: find it intriguing, but ultimately inconclusive. And I am eager
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: to learn more, for sure. Hopefully, time will provide more answers.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: We will see. But that's it for now. I hope
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: you've enjoyed this episode. I want to thank you once
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: again for watching. I really appreciate it. Keep searching, keep
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: looking for answers, and most importantly, keep having fun.