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Episode 16_ How to Be real - The _it was good_ epidemic · INSPIRE STORY

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Speaker 1: He's a water addict. If I don't drink water, I
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will die. I am addicted to it.
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Speaker 2: If I don't.
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Speaker 1: If I don't drink water for long enough, I start
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like shaking and feeling like cravings to need water, and
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it's just like my mouth gets dry and I'm just
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like I need water and it becomes the whole focus.
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Speaker 2: Of my life. Water is an adiction.
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Speaker 3: Sounds like an addiction. You should have talked to somebody.
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Speaker 1: All right, Hello, and welcome back to the Spire podcast, Satad.
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Speaker 2: We don't have Fulton with us.
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Speaker 1: A big storm came through and he works for a
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roofing company, so he's really busy right now fixing people's roofs.
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We have a guest with us today, Liz Buckles, and
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we're really excited to have her here to talk about
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how to be real with each other, which is our
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topic for today, like how do we be real? As
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I say it, it was good, epidemic, because how is
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your day?
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Speaker 2: It was good?
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Speaker 1: But just to actually start off with this, so there's
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something we do, uh during Lent as in our Aspire stuff.
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Speaker 2: Remember do you know what the Aspire ACADYM stands for?
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You're probably not, probably not try to get.
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Speaker 4: Spiritual correct renewal.
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Speaker 2: It's spire.
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Speaker 5: He would be what prayer, That's a good one, but
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that's not physical, physical, intellectual.
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Speaker 2: How to think about that one?
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Speaker 4: Relational and experiential.
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Speaker 2: The big eie existential, evangelical.
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Speaker 1: So something we've been doing during Lent, and at the
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beginning of each episode we talk about what we did
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one day this.
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Speaker 2: Week in each of those categories.
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Speaker 1: So Michael, I hope you remembered, because your phone is
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over there being recording. It was my spring break last week,
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so it was really bad on the seeing people front,
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and thus a number of days I'm.
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Speaker 2: Just like, I don't nothing. Let's see like that was
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that's weeks ago. I need to go this week. Let's do.
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Speaker 1: Last Tuesday, I went to Mass and said Rosie with
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the old ladies. I love saying rose was the old
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ladies so classic. I actually think I had a good
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time talking with them afterwards on this day, or maybe
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that was a different time. But then for my physical
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I went muniing, which is mountain unicycling, and I went
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running at Castlewood.
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Speaker 2: It's my spring break.
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Speaker 1: I could just do what I wanted. For my intellectual,
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I did spend about forty minutes reading a paper for
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research purposes. Still don't understand it, but it hurt my brain.
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From my relational I'm just going to say, existing in
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nature and then trying to form a relation with self.
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That makes no sense, but that's what I wrote down.
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That's my relational relating to nature, I guess. And then
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my e was sharing joy of unicycle.
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Speaker 2: I think I think this was no. Oh, that was
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when I posted the video today.
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Speaker 3: Oh wait, what day was this?
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Speaker 2: Last Tuesday? So that was what today Today's Monday.
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Speaker 3: You got me thinking and I commented on it, and
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so I was like, yeah, that.
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Speaker 1: Counts, So that does count as evangelical. I completely forgot.
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I was just writing my innicycle and it's like, you know,
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I've been really wanting to talk about the concept of freedom.
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So then I just recorded ten minutes of me talking
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about what freedom actually is. Well, my inicycle was fun,
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I posted on on my YouTube channel.
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Speaker 2: So that was my aspire for this last week. Michael,
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what about you?
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Speaker 5: So so my phone's over there. I'm gonna try and
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just I'm not gonna try. I'm gonna say today because
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it's the easiest one from you to remember spiritual we're
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doing my family is doing this like nine month Novena
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two or Lady of Guadalupe.
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Speaker 3: It's I can't. I think it was Cardinal Cardinal Cardinal
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Burk thing.
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Speaker 5: So that and then I am planning on saying the
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Rosary either on the way to volleyball later or on
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the way home, so that will be my spiritual physical
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I'm gonna play volleyball. Intellectual I was listening to a
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podcast Alex O'Connor and William Lane craig. Doesn't matter if
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you know who they are. I don't know if you do.
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They were talking about just some old Testament stuff.
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Speaker 3: What was that? That was intellectual? Relational?
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Speaker 5: I on my break at school today, I was hanging
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out with Dominic and Seth for a while and then evangelical.
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Speaker 3: I'm doing this.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't all right, Sophie, my cop.
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Speaker 1: We're not going to make you do everything, because that's
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way too mean for a guest to relate. So what
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if you what do you do in your daily life?
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But it's just think back sometime during this last week
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one of those topics, maybe something we said stuck out
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to you, is like, is this something you did this
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week that's just like that was what I did to
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be physical or to uh strengthen my intellect or my
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relationship with someone. Is this something in particular this week?
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Just like this is what stuck out to me and
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that you'd like.
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Speaker 2: To share with the world.
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Speaker 4: Sure, I would say, there's two things that stuck out
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to me. One I went to a Bible study with
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Father Clark Philip or Father Philip Clark, I forget.
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Speaker 3: But one of those two.
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Speaker 4: Yes, I think it's Father Philip Clark. Nope, that sounds
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work whatever. He's a preset Saint Alban Rowe. And I
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went with a couple of my friends one week, and
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then this past week I took my dad and it
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was just really neat to hear all about the Old Testament,
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New Testament, how everything all flows together. Yeah, just beautiful.
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And then another thing I did was at work. One
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of my coworkers is Catholic, and a lot of times,
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like if we're eating lunch, we'll just like, I don't know,
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like you just pray by yourself or and then like
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you just assume nobody else is going to like pray
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with you or anything. But this week I was like,
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you know what I should ask him to pray with me.
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So it was nice to just at lunch to be like, hey,
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do you want to pray with me before we eat?
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And he was like, yeah, I would love to. So
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that was just super neat.
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Speaker 1: That was really cool and really evangelical too, not just
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to your friend but driven around you. We pray because
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we were thankful for a few That's that's cool. Before
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we get into our topic this, would you just want
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to tell us just a little bit about yourself, Like
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who are you?
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Speaker 2: What do you do?
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Speaker 4: I'm a daughter of God? That honestly though, that is
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something like I've really been growing in over the past
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couple months. So it's wild that, like, yeah, I'm a
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credible Catholic, but at the same time, like parts of
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my faith I think have been a lot more intellectual
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through most of my life. Obviously there's relational elements with
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that as well, but yeah, something I've been diving into
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more deeply is just my identity as daughter. So yeah,
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that's been really good. What do I do on a
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daily basis, I'm an accountant, so this is my busy
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time of year.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I hate accounting.
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Speaker 2: We spread your news As an accountant.
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Speaker 5: I talked to my cousins the other day about this.
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It's like, accounting is probably my least favorite thing in
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the entire world. Sorry, it's awesome. It's awesome that you
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like it. I just don't see.
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Speaker 4: That's fair because there's other things, like I can never
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do anything medical, like it just grosses me. So I
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appreciate other people who can. And I know most people,
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I honestly don't understand how some of my friends are accountants.
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So I'm like, I get like I'm weird, like that's
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why I like it, but like they're so cool and normal.
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I'm like, why are you an accountant? There's so many
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cooler things to do. So, yeah, I don't do it either.
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Speaker 3: I guess.
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Speaker 4: Another thing is I met Nick.
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Speaker 1: Through college Truman State. Yes, Newman Center great if you're
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considering going to college Truman State, Missouri.
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Speaker 2: It's cheap and it's got a good Newman Center.
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Speaker 4: Yes, it's good value.
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Speaker 1: It's good value. It's a good value school. It's like
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the great value cerial O. All right, So for our
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topic today, because we're getting into like what it is
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to be to be real, it's like how to share
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like who you are, you know, so you're not just
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you know, you go up to your best friend's like, Hey,
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how you've been It's like I've been good.
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Speaker 2: And it's like cool. I could guess that you would
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say that.
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Speaker 1: So my question for you guys is, in moments in
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which you've like just caught up with someone, how do
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you go about catching up with someone about like what's
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going on in each other's lives? And whoever feels more
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ready to answer that can start, I'll start.
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Speaker 4: I would say that it depends on the person. I
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kind of I don't think I intentionally do this, like
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I don't recognize I'm doing this, but just reflecting on
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it now, I think it just depends on like the
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level of relationship I have. So if it's somebody I
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see every couple months, just like at bigger social gatherings,
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I'm not a close friend, then yeah, Usually stay's pretty
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surface level and I'm just like, you know what, I'm good,
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And then I just talk about work. I talk about
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like anything big going on in my life outside of work, anything.
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If we have mutual friends, if I'm doing anything with
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them that I think they might be interested in pretty
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surface level. And then there's some people who I would
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say are like on the other end of the spectrum,
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where like we just kind of like get each other
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and like I don't need to update them on what
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I've been doing since last time I saw them, because
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like I feel like there's just a deeper connection there
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that it's like, yeah, we do care, but at the
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same time, like there's just so much more depth to
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our friendship that like we don't need to just stick
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with what you did since last time I saw each other.
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It can just go straight into like, oh, there's this
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one thing that reminded me of you, and let's just
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talk about that forever, or like there's this one idea
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that's exciting to me, or like one thing I did
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and let's just dive into that and just feed off
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of each other's energy. So that's my favorite way to
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catch up. But those are, yeah, just the people that
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you can really connect with. And then I would say
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most of my friends, I would say, are like in
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between those two. So I usually just kind of like
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try to think back on, oh, you would care about
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this part of my life, this part of my life,
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and this part of my life. Okay, like let me
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give you a quick rundown of all the things and
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how close I am with the person how much time
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we have that kind of depends on how in depth
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that rundown is.
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Speaker 5: That I would say pretty much the same thing co
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about I am going to continue.
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Speaker 3: That's not.
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Speaker 5: One thing you said that really kind of like stuck
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with me is talking about people where you can like
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you don't have to update them on everything that you're
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doing because you just kind of like get each other.
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There's a lot of people that are not a lot,
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but there are people that I know that I've grown
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up with who I don't see them as much anymore
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just because like adult life and just have less time
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or whatever, and everybody has their own lives. But just
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once we get in the same room again, it could
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have been six months since we saw each other and
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we get in the same room and it's just everybody
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just instantly.
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Speaker 3: Meshes back together.
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Speaker 5: Like that's my favorite kind of friendship, and I mean,
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I'm assuming it's yours too. I'm gonna say a lot
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of the same stuff as you said, So I'm gonna
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kind of skip over that just because I wanted to
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kind of ask a question. So what you were just
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saying about filtering what you tell people based off of
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like I know you'd.
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Speaker 3: Be interested in this. I know you'd be interested in this.
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Speaker 5: Because I think that that kind of is the main
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thing that we're talking about, right, Like, that feels like
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that's kind of the big.
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Speaker 3: Problem, not problem, but topics.
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Speaker 5: So how do you go about not just based on
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time and whatever, how do you go about deciding what
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you tell people and what you don't tell people unless
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you have stuff you want to say about.
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Speaker 2: I guess she was just saying, I answer my question
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a bit and more for them to yours.
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Speaker 3: So do that and then I talk about that.
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Speaker 1: So what you, oh, shure if you already said anyway,
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for the topic of just like how do I catch
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people up? I don't know, Like I'm really bad at it.
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I go home, you know, because my parents don't live
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that far away from me, so I go home frequently
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and mom and dad are just like, oh, yeah, how's
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school been.
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Speaker 2: I'm like it's good. I was like, wait, what did
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I do in school? I don't wait, what.
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Speaker 3: Did I learn?
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Speaker 2: I don't know anything right now. It's like what am
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I doing?
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Speaker 1: And it actually comes up a lot, because like, you know,
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I'm in a PhD program server. I was like, oh,
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that's cool, It's like, what do you do it in?
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It's like, oh, physics, It's like cool. And then some
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people are just like, okay, I'm done talking now. I
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don't want to talk about physics. And other people are like,
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so what do you research? And I'm like, uh, because
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I remember last week or something a couple weeks ago
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or something like that, I went watch you Fair frequently
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has speakers on various topics and physics blah blah blah,
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and I went to a just to Q and A
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beforehand to just go listen and see what the speakers discussing.
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And then she she turns me, it's just like, so,
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what what is your research topic?
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Speaker 3: I'm like.
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Speaker 1: Astrophysics, and I'm like, she's an astrophysicist, so like more
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detailed than I was, Like wait, what what am I
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actually trying to learn? It's like that kind of seems
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like an important thing. I don't know, I don't know
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why this is going where it is, but I think
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it's it's a a big thing because you know, I
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find it really difficult to like keep people up to
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date with things because I remember when, like you and
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other people your age graduated, the whole friend group is
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just like, Okay, Nick, we got to remind you to
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keep everyone up to date with what's going on up here.
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Speaker 2: So I remember getting text and.
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Speaker 1: Just like, hey, make sure you, you know, tell liz
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Anna or this person to that person that like we're
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doing these things. Like I would have never thought about
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that myself. So it's like it's not natural for me
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to like want to catch people up with me. But
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like what what Michael is saying about. Just you know,
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when you just go met up with friends who you
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haven't seen or talked to in six months and it's
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just like bam, and you're just doing the same stuff together.
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It's like that's really cool because I don't need to
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catch them up because we just like being together. And
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I was going to morph it into the question that
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you ask but I completely forgot.
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Speaker 3: What question I asked.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, So basically, like, how do you decide where to
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draw the line?
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Speaker 3: I guess in terms of what you're telling people.
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Speaker 5: Because obviously there's going to be some people that you
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tell less and some people that you tell more. But
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how do you determine where the line is and how
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much you're going to tell one person versus another person?
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And why I guess is the more important thing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'll continue with my physics concept because that
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happens a lot now that I'm in grad school.
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Speaker 3: And this also doesn't have to be just like about
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catching up.
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Speaker 5: It could just be about like what's on your heart,
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what's on your mind kind of thing like not.
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Speaker 3: Just like what did you do like out yourself?
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Speaker 5: I guess more because that's a more kind of philosophical thing.
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I guess And just like, Oh, I went to Walmart,
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but I'm not gonna tell you abodit about that vers.
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Speaker 1: Walmart was really cool, Like they had this like really
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cool thing up on those shelves.
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Speaker 5: Wa okay, but that's the things you wouldn't tell it
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to everybody, you mighty, I went to Walmart to one person,
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then the other person, you might say, I went to
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Walmart and I saw this thing that was super interesting,
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and that is one person that you were interested, but
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you don't tell the other person.
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Speaker 1: So like as as Liz was saying earlier, it depends
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on your relationship with them, like who they are to you,
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and so like when I talk about like my physics
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things with people, one, I can use context clues to
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determine whether or not I should continue because some people say, oh.
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Speaker 2: And what do you do? And it's like, oh, I'm
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a graduate school. It's like, oh and what physics?
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Speaker 1: Like okay, and it's like I might say a bit
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more of it's like, let's move the conversation because clearly
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not interested. It was other people like, oh cool, I'm
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I was actually an astrophysicist back when I was young.
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It's like became mitieve to now it's like, so what
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are you interested in? And and then like those are
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the things that you can really get into it. So
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it's like it's context because it's like, is this person
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bored with what I'm saying? The answer is typically yes,
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but it's fine. But as for just like to share
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who I am, just like I'll have to come back
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to that. That's that's a difficult one. That's I think
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my biggest struggle in both my spiritual and my relational lives.
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Speaker 5: It is for me too, like let's why, because I
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just want to like know what you guys think about it.
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Speaker 4: I feel like more recently I've started sharing more with
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people about like yeah, just like those deeper things like
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what's going on in my heart? And yeah, I've really
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just been met with like a lot of receptivity to that.
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There's been a lot of fruit coming from that, And yeah,
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I think there's just less fear of like a vulnerability.
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And I think, honestly, it probably circles back to like
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me being trying to like root myself more as a
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daughter of Christ or not a daughter of Christ, of God.
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And I think then it's like, well, why would I
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be afraid to share, Like what's the risk in that?
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Because like if I'm rooted somewhere else, then like what
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this person thinks about me doesn't really like it's not
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really going to hurt me if I'm not like if
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I'm not finding my identity there. And then I also
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think of it as like, wait, this could be like
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an evangelization opportunity, Like even if it's not just about
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spiritual life, even if it's just a part of my heart,
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like that sing a cool water bottle or whatever gets
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you excited, Like that's still like part of your heart,
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and like it could be intriguing to somebody like oh
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why do why is that interesting to him? It still
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shares like the fact that it's on our minds and
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like we feel like sharing it. I think that's like
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what really speaks about like our personality and like how
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we react to things. So yeah, I think more recently,
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when I would naturally suppress, I'm like, you know what,
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I'm gonna say this to them, Like I don't know
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why they would care, but like it's important to me
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right now, and ultimately, like why we're talking to people
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is like we're trying to get to know each other.
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And if you're trying to get to know the person,
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like it honestly makes more sense too for us to
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offer up things than for them to just ask questions
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because they don't know the answer. Uh so they can't
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predict like the best question to get to know you
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best because they don't know you yet. So I think
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if you just, I don't know, share what's on your heart,
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like they're not going to know unless you share, because
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I've had that happen before where I'm having a conversation
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with somebody and they keep like steering the conversation one way,
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and I'm like, I mean, I can't talk about this,
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but like I just don't really care that much, like, oh,
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this other thing is really important to me, and like
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I can't figure out a way to get this in So, yeah,
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I think it's just more about like offering, like more
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freely offering up what's on our minds and what's on
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our hearts, and being receptive to what other people are
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offering and giving them a space to offer up what
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they are really thinking.
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Speaker 1: That's a good point because I think back on the
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big Racers family gatherings when we all go an extended
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family all gets together Gramma's Haus or something, you know,
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a lot of the time they answer uncles ask questions.
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Then it's like they little ask a question, I'll answer
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it briefly in my style. Most questions I actually answered briefly.
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Speaker 2: If you're a listener to this podcast, you'd be surprised
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at that.
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Speaker 3: Good fooled me.
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Speaker 1: But like if it's about myself and someone's asking me directly,
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it's like, h but but yeah, so like sometimes don't
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just wait for the question to be asked to share something,
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you know, because I think that really kills a lot
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of the conversations I've had with like my aunts and
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uncles or people who I'm not like super close to.
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And it's like I don't really struggle talking with my
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friends too much, but for someone who's like an acquaintance.
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Speaker 2: It's just like, well, but just like, yeah, I don't.
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Speaker 1: Need to wait for them to ask a question of
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me for me to talk to them or response to them.
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Was like why I can ask them questions? But two,
21:02
I can also just volunteer information about myself for no
21:06
apparent reason other than why not and it might be
21:09
a little fun.
21:11
Speaker 5: I think my favorite thing that anybody has ever told
21:14
me regarding this topic. So I was talking to somebody
21:20
and I was like ranting about music stuff. We were
21:22
talking about a song that just came out and I
21:25
was like picking it apart, and I was talking about
21:27
all the little musical things going on and like the
21:29
vocal processing and whether or not I.
21:31
Speaker 3: Have auto tune and whatever.
21:33
Speaker 5: I'm talking about all this stuff, and at one point,
21:38
just in my head, I was like, oh, I should
21:40
stop because they probably don't care about what I'm saying.
21:43
And so I stopped and I like basically apologized, and
21:47
I was like, sorry, I don't know why I did that.
21:49
I don't know why I said that. I know you
21:51
don't care whatever, And this is like I'm still not
21:56
great at that. Sometimes I still do the same thing,
21:58
but it's always gonna stick with me because she said,
22:03
never apologize to me again about talking about your passion,
22:07
or never apologize to me again for talking about your passions,
22:11
because there's no other way that I'm gonna get to
22:14
know you. And I was like, even though I still
22:17
struggle with it, I think back on that so much.
22:19
I'm like, nobody is ever gonna know who I am
22:22
if I don't share that stuff, because the music stuff
22:25
is important to me and that's such a big part
22:26
of who I am.
22:27
Speaker 3: And so it's kind of like if people ask.
22:31
Speaker 5: You questions, they might ask you like where do you
22:32
go to school? The place you go to school isn't
22:36
who you are. It's just something that you do or
22:38
something that you did. So I guess I don't know
22:43
where I'm going with that, but it's the things that
22:46
are actually you, the things that kind of make up
22:49
who you are as a person as opposed to just
22:51
the things that you're involved with whatever, are kind of
22:56
the things that you should be sharing more. And I
22:57
feel like I don't do a great job of that,
22:59
And I feel like it's kind of the big thing
23:00
that people don't do a great job at in general,
23:03
where it's like I'll talk about Oh, I used to
23:06
be a delivery driver for this pizza place, and like,
23:09
but that doesn't tell you anything about me. It just
23:11
tells you something that I did, So I mean.
23:14
Speaker 2: It does tells you a little bit about you, Like
23:15
you chose to work there.
23:18
Speaker 3: That's fair.
23:19
Speaker 2: Sure it must be a terrible person being a pizza
23:23
delivery driver.
23:24
Speaker 3: Pizza, it was good pizza.
23:26
Speaker 5: I don't like the place, but they had good food.
23:31
I guess the point that I'm trying to get at
23:34
is just the things that you share. If you want to, like,
23:38
actually be real with somebody, you should share about who
23:41
you are instead of what you do, because the things
23:44
that make up who you are are the only things
23:46
that are gonna let the other person get to know
23:47
who you are as an individual.
23:48
Speaker 3: And if they want to know, then they'll listen.
23:50
Speaker 5: And if they don't want to know, then you can tell,
23:53
like you were saying, they're trying to divert the conversation
23:55
away from what you're talking about, and you can be like, Okay,
23:57
they don't want to talk about that, But that's less
23:59
of a reflection on you than it is a reflection
24:01
on them and their willingness to be receptive to what
24:04
you're saying, so like, that doesn't mean that you're doing
24:06
anything wrong by talking about physics. It just means that
24:09
they're not interested in hearing about that, and maybe they
24:12
need to be more open to it.
24:13
Speaker 1: It just means that their question was not genuinely like.
24:16
Speaker 2: So what do you like? So what do you learn?
24:17
Speaker 1: It's like they don't if I tell you on your board,
24:20
you're clearly not wanting to know what I learned in
24:21
your physics.
24:23
Speaker 5: That's why I like when people say how's it going,
24:25
and you say, like, do you want the real answer?
24:27
Do you want the like I'm good, everything's great? Like
24:30
most people only want I'm good, everything's good. Most people
24:34
aren't asking the genuine question because they don't really want
24:37
the answer. So I think that's just it made me
24:40
think of that when you're saying that you stop talking
24:42
about stuff because you can tell people aren't interested, I
24:45
think that that's less about you.
24:47
Speaker 3: And more about them, just in my opinion.
24:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, because what you were saying just made me really
24:52
thinks like, Yeah, why is it that we so easily
24:55
apologize for just being interested in something? You know, just
24:59
talk about stuff. It's like, oh, I've been talking too long,
25:01
I'm sorry, I shouldn't. I should talk, I should like
25:03
take control of this conversation. It's like, well, what if
25:07
they just like listening to you talking. It's like and honestly,
25:11
that is something like that I've noticed in my life.
25:13
Like the most attractive thing in an individual is their genuineness.
25:17
So like, Michael, when you're just like playing music randomly,
25:21
I don't understand it, but you get this little smirk
25:23
on your face, and I'm like, it's an attractive thing.
25:27
Like it's just just something like that genuine smile that
25:30
you get that I see that you're enjoying stuff, and like,
25:32
I now want to have a little part of that
25:34
joy you're having with that, and like that's such a
25:36
cool thing to share. And and and other people I've
25:39
noticed and just like when they're being genuine about some
25:41
conversation that they love or a topic that they do,
25:44
like they just have this exuberant joy with them and
25:47
it's just like, I'm jealous, where can I get this joy?
25:51
And how could I like view this in the way
25:53
that you do, Because you know, I've had conversations with
25:57
people about stuff that I don't really like.
25:59
Speaker 2: It's like I don't really like this topic. It's kind
26:01
of boring.
26:02
Speaker 1: I've yet to have a good conversation with someone about biology,
26:05
but that's just because I'm hate biology. But no, it's like,
26:08
if there's someone who like is legitimately interested and has
26:11
a joy in like understanding biology and stuff, I would
26:14
enjoy listening to them and hearing them talk about it,
26:16
even though I'm like, this is painful in my head
26:19
about biology.
26:20
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but just.
26:22
Speaker 1: Like that genuineness is it makes me jealous and it's
26:25
like I want to share. And then I start talking
26:29
a bit about something that's interesting to me, like oh,
26:31
I'm sorry, I'm talking to existential or blah blah blah
26:33
philosophical thing for you, and it's like I'm sorry. It's
26:36
like it's not the very thing that you want other
26:38
people to give to you, so why don't you give
26:40
it to others?
26:42
Speaker 2: I don't know.
26:44
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like I would be afraid to tell people
26:46
about stuff that I actually care about, but then I'm
26:48
like enough. I'll be like, oh, I'm good enough about me,
26:51
how about you? And I want them to tell me
26:53
all the interesting stuff about them, and I get annoyed
26:55
if they're just like, oh, I'm good.
26:57
Speaker 3: It's like, why would I not just give them the.
26:59
Speaker 5: Exact thing that I want from them. That's an interesting
27:03
way to think about it. I guess I hadn't really
27:04
thought about like that before.
27:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.
27:07
Speaker 4: I wonder if that comes from like just the uncertainty
27:12
that people actually care though, Yeah, and yeah, I think
27:16
a lot of people don't care because you can't. I
27:21
think this is something I've run into as well, Like, Yeah,
27:24
if you're at a party and you have time and
27:26
like you're there to have conversations with people, I think
27:29
people tend to be a little bit more open. There's
27:31
still plenty of those like surface level conversations because I
27:34
think people just don't have practice or know how to
27:36
get there or know that it's worth listening to conversations
27:39
that might seem boring at first. But I think more
27:43
often those conversations happen when it's like you run into
27:47
somebody somewhere and you're like, oh, like I wasn't like
27:51
open to this right now, I was planning on.
27:55
Speaker 2: Yah.
27:56
Speaker 3: Yeah.
27:56
Speaker 4: So I guess then it's like how many people, or like,
28:00
in what circumstances should we try to dive into like
28:04
these deep passions and when is it okay to just
28:08
like let those opportunities pass because we aren't infinite. We
28:12
don't have infinite time or infinite attention, and we can't
28:17
necessarily like dive into those deeper conversations with everybody. But
28:22
maybe we can more than we think we can.
28:26
Speaker 1: I think that takes well one practice, as you were saying,
28:30
but also intentionality, because I do remember there's times, you know,
28:35
after class or whatnot, just talking to some people outside
28:38
of class, just this thing, that thing about the homework
28:40
and this or that, and then I'm like, oh, I
28:43
was planning on like going and working on homework for
28:45
a bit, and its like I need to go do
28:47
my homework blah blah blah, and then I just leave
28:48
and go, and like I could have stayed and talked
28:50
for like another five minutes to just like get to
28:54
understand who they are a bit more besides just like, oh, hey,
28:56
have you done this homework? No?
28:57
Speaker 2: Okay?
28:58
Speaker 1: Well, and to be more intentional is that, but also
29:01
like to know yourself well enough to know we don't
29:07
have infinite time, but we do got a lot more
29:08
time than we might think.
29:11
Speaker 2: We're always like I'm so busy, I can't do this.
29:13
I can't do that. And then I spend forty minutes
29:15
reading a book and I'm like that was fun.
29:17
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, it was fun. But I told
29:21
someone else they didn't have any time today because I'm
29:23
so busy with all of my homework. I was like, well,
29:25
clearly I had forty minutes I could spare, but to
29:28
just like to understand oneself well enough to be like,
29:32
you know, I know I don't need every single minute
29:36
between this class and the next class to do my homework,
29:39
so I'll stay and talk and have a good time
29:40
with you. It's like it could be service level, it
29:42
could just be this or that, but just the better
29:44
I get to know someone through the service level, eventually
29:46
deeper things slowly creeping. I just like to understand my
29:50
own schedule and my own self enough to be like,
29:55
I can give you more time. Because there's so many
29:57
times I'm like, oh, I gotta get going, you know,
30:00
I got to get to this event on time. And
30:02
then I get through the end event on time and
30:04
no one else is there yet. It's like, oh, I
30:06
literally had more time I could have done to stay
30:09
and talked with whoever I was with, and it's like
30:11
why do I need to like rush about doing this
30:13
or that.
30:15
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think also it for me, it the place
30:21
I would want to get better is just being open
30:23
to the conversation when it happens.
30:24
Speaker 3: So like, you don't need to force the conversation to happen.
30:26
If you have.
30:27
Speaker 5: Fifteen minutes, you can't talk about you know, your deepest,
30:30
darkest secrets and share everything with somebody, But if the
30:35
opportunity for that conversation arises. I think this is where
30:38
I struggle the most, is like I'll have nothing on
30:41
my schedule and a person sitting right in front of
30:44
me and they're like talk to me, and I just
30:46
like don't I like close myself off and I don't
30:49
take the opportunity. So it's like I think the way
30:53
that I would summarize it, and I always hate saying
30:56
stuff on here and I don't want to make it
30:58
seem like.
30:59
Speaker 3: I'm good because I'm not. So it's like stuff I'm
31:02
still working on trying to figure out. But it would
31:04
just be you don't need to force the.
31:07
Speaker 5: Conversation to happen, because then force vulnerability isn't really real vulnerability.
31:14
I feel like there have been times where it could
31:18
still be a good conversation. Like there are a couple
31:21
of times we were hanging out over the summer where
31:23
after everybody left, it was like three or four people
31:25
were like, let's have a deep conversation, and nobody says
31:27
anything because it's like I don't even though I'm supposed
31:29
to say, and that we were trying to like force
31:32
it out of people and just it ends up being
31:35
kind of like a feigned vulnerability, so it's not real.
31:37
But it was still a good conversation every time we
31:40
did it. But I think it would just be be
31:44
open to the conversation when it happens, whoever it is,
31:48
wherever it is, whenever it is, however much time you have,
31:51
you don't need to force it to be longer than
31:53
it needs to be just because you think, oh, we
31:56
should be having a good conversation right now. But a
31:58
lot of the times, like Bawman's house, well we'll be
32:02
standing at the door and then all of a sudden,
32:06
people are just like they bring something up, and then
32:08
we talk for like another hour or two after that,
32:10
and it's like nobody really needs to go, and it's
32:13
like we just start the conversation and then it ends
32:15
up being really really good. And it's like, because we
32:17
allow ourselves to be open to that, then we were.
32:19
Speaker 3: Able to have that conversation.
32:21
Speaker 5: But in another instance where you only have like ten minutes,
32:24
you aren't necessarily gonna you might be open to it,
32:27
it's just that you can't do it, Like you physically
32:30
can't say enough.
32:31
Speaker 3: Words in the amount of time that you have.
32:34
Speaker 5: So I guess that would be my answer to that
32:36
question is just like, be open to it when that happens.
32:40
Speaker 4: I wonder if there's different ingredients though, rather than just
32:44
like super deep conversations that you need several hours for
32:48
or yeah, my day was good, Like what about those
32:51
times like Nick was talking about, where it's five or
32:53
ten minutes that you might have or like those coworkers
32:57
that I see every once in a while, but they
32:59
don't because those conversations that takes trust to get to
33:03
that point where somebody is willing to give you that
33:06
much of their time. So I think sometimes it might
33:10
just be like building up to that. So if I'm
33:13
like with a coworker and I know I'm gonna just
33:17
be in the elevator with them for a minute and
33:18
a half, like okay, a lot of times not even
33:21
like I don't even know how to start a conversation,
33:23
But if there's instances where you know you're gonna have
33:27
a little bit of time with somebody instead of just
33:30
running through those basic catchup questions, if there's some way
33:35
to invite a little bit more depth to that and
33:43
just see where that goes, and to be content with
33:45
it only being a five or tenant conversation. But I
33:50
would just love for people to leave conversations with me
33:52
thinking like, Wow, she like actually cares about me, not
33:56
just she's trying to do the social noise, like apply
34:00
or comply with social norms.
34:04
Speaker 3: That was kind of what was it that you were
34:06
talking about last time? What was it that I said?
34:09
Speaker 5: It's people don't care what you know until they know
34:12
that you care. So it's like, if you're gonna try
34:14
and have that kind of conversation, there needs to be
34:17
the trust both ways where you're like and you're right,
34:19
though you do have to build that up.
34:21
Speaker 3: Over the little conversation.
34:22
Speaker 5: So you shouldn't go That's something that I've like had
34:26
a problem with that times where I'll go from not
34:29
saying anything to all of a sudden, I just dump
34:31
everything on somebody, and it's.
34:32
Speaker 3: Like I needed to probably take that a little bit slower.
34:38
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, And like when we talk about like
34:43
these deep conversations about things, it's not like these are
34:46
my deepest, darkest secrets. This is everythin I've committed in
34:49
the past twelve years. This is the biggest struggles.
34:53
Speaker 2: Of my life.
34:53
Speaker 1: No, Sometimes it's just like things that are not sow
34:56
surface level is like, oh, how's the weather today?
34:58
Speaker 3: Great?
34:59
Speaker 2: Except I've had some pretty good.
35:01
Speaker 1: Very brief conversations because I've been out on the trails
35:03
a lot this past week, being spring break and good
35:06
weather up until the storm and everything was muddy, And
35:09
sometimes it'd just be like you passed by someone on
35:11
the trail and like, oh, hey, how's it going.
35:12
Speaker 2: You're enjoying the weather. Yeah, it's great.
35:14
Speaker 1: And because it's just that chance encounter on the trail,
35:17
you're going in opposite directions, I'm not going to be.
35:19
Speaker 2: Like, stop my bike, Hi, how are you doing? Have
35:22
I ever told you about?
35:24
Speaker 1: Like No, it's in those cases it's like, yeah, just
35:27
something like how's the weather. The contexts not like enjoy
35:29
the weather. I'm enjoying the weather right now, and I'm
35:32
sharing that with you and says like, even though the
35:35
how's the weather is a classic surface level topic, it's
35:38
not always surface level if you're truly enjoying the weather,
35:41
and it's like this is glorious, but also just I've noticed,
35:46
you know, as we've been talking, it's like I was
35:48
looking back in the past couple of weeks and like
35:50
I have gotten better at, you know, having those slightly
35:54
deeper conversations with with people I don't really know too well,
36:00
particularly if there's a shared common interest. Like I go
36:03
to the climbing gym a lot, and a lot of
36:06
times it's fairly empty, there's a couple of people there,
36:08
and then I just end up somewhat nearby someone else
36:11
who's climbing, who's trying to climb, and then they fall,
36:14
and then we make like comments.
36:16
Speaker 2: Like, oh, yeah, it's a rough one.
36:17
Speaker 1: I was trying that early blah blah blah, and then
36:19
you just talk abouit more, and then you start talking
36:21
about like how do you go about doing this climb
36:23
or that climb, and it's like that's something that's a
36:25
bit deeper than just the surface level of oh yeah,
36:28
that's a rough climb. Have a good one at that
36:30
and then walking away. But it's still not like I'm
36:34
sharing my vulnerabilities with you. But still somehow that feels
36:37
hard at times to be like I'm just gonna talk
36:40
to this person and just have a good time in
36:41
this one aspect of sharing. And it's it's difficult because
36:47
like it feels like it's a huge vulnerable thing and
36:50
it's like, dude, you're literally just talking about like how
36:53
to go about doing this climb with someone, and it's like,
36:57
that's not going to like hurt you. I mean unless
37:00
you fall and hit your head.
37:01
Speaker 3: But you know, so the.
37:04
Speaker 5: Little things like that aren't big vulnerable, deep dark secrets.
37:08
Speaker 3: And you can talk about climbing and it's one thing.
37:11
Speaker 5: But I was just thinking, if we want to tie
37:14
it more into like an evangelization kind of thing, because
37:20
especially what Fulton always talks about is listening and listening
37:26
being the best form of evangelization. But so let's imagine
37:31
you have all the time in the world, and time
37:33
isn't necessarily a constraint.
37:37
Speaker 2: What all those books I would read, actually.
37:43
Speaker 4: It is all the conversations I would have I don't
37:45
read because I like talking too much. So we're like opposites.
37:48
Speaker 2: I feel like, well, I do like talking, so it's
37:50
not like I love reading and hate talking.
37:54
Speaker 4: I like the idea of reading, but I'm going to
37:56
prioritize conversations every time.
37:58
Speaker 2: Sometimes I prioritize reading, just like I want to stop
38:01
talking you.
38:02
Speaker 3: I just want to read my book. You just want
38:04
to talk to yourself instead.
38:06
Speaker 1: Anytime I'm talking with Michael, I would prefer to be
38:07
reading a book.
38:10
Speaker 2: Feeling completely.
38:13
Speaker 3: What was I even saying? I'm sorry, No, you're fine.
38:16
I'm trying to remember what I was talking about them
38:20
listening eventelisation. So obviously we're all here to you know, no,
38:31
love and serve God.
38:32
Speaker 5: Love your neighbor as yourself, if you're going to truly
38:36
love your neighbor. I think the definition of like love,
38:40
just in a general sense that I always use, is
38:44
willing the ultimate good of another, which is ultimately them
38:47
getting to heaven. And if you want them to get
38:48
to heaven, then you should be doing everything you can.
38:52
Speaker 3: To enrich their lives spiritually.
38:55
Speaker 5: So I guess I don't outside of this, I don't
39:01
have a lot of super deep philosophical religious, spiritual conversations.
39:06
But in your guys experience how does that usually go
39:10
if you try to like if because a lot of
39:13
people don't, a lot of people think it's too personal.
39:16
Jordan Peterson is a good example where people ask him
39:18
do you believe in God? And he's like, that's such
39:20
a deep, personal, intrusive question and he like doesn't want
39:24
to answer it. Has that been your guys experience trying
39:28
to talk to people about spiritual stuff? Not everybody, because
39:31
obviously there's people you can talk to about spiritual stuff
39:33
and they want to talk about it. But people who
39:36
are a little bit more hesitant, Like how, because I
39:40
know that's probably most people. Honestly, if you just go
39:42
up to a random person that if you just like
39:44
go into your contacts and you scroll through and you
39:46
pick somebody and you try to talk about spiritual stuff,
39:50
a lot of people are going to shy.
39:51
Speaker 3: Away from that. So like, how, what has been your
39:55
guy's experience with that?
39:56
Speaker 5: I guess, or those kinds of conversations if you've had them.
40:01
Speaker 1: So I've I've done a lot of like discussion groups
40:03
this past semester, just like this discussion group reading Theology's
40:08
Body by John Paul the Second and and just reading
40:11
a passage and discussing it, and in those instances, I'm
40:15
a lot more likely to share my thoughts on things
40:18
or it's just like how I picture stuff, And so
40:21
very frequently it happens from like I'm talking about stuff
40:23
and then everyone is quiet, and it's like, well, this
40:26
etheron means two things. They're they're wrapped and listening with attention,
40:30
or they're like what is he saying? Can he please
40:32
be done so I can talk? And so almost every
40:35
single time it ends up, I.
40:36
Speaker 5: Feel like that's how it is a Bible in a year.
40:38
When I talk, it's like everybody's just like.
40:40
Speaker 3: Okay, just.
40:42
Speaker 1: No, you're interesting, but just like so very frequently it's
40:47
just like then I start like trying to wrap up
40:50
my thoughts really quickly, just like blah blah blah, and
40:52
so it's kind of like that, and then I just stop, randomly,
40:55
probably in the middle of a thought, just be like
40:57
and that's that. And then there's like he set to
41:00
silence because everyone's like is he talking more or not?
41:02
And that just makes it really awkward, and I'm like,
41:06
I really hope that I'm trying to enrich your lives.
41:08
And then you're not just like I don't know what
41:10
you're talking about.
41:11
Speaker 3: Man, you're weird.
41:13
Speaker 5: How do people react though, Like, if you have like
41:15
a outside of like a discussion group, how do people
41:18
usually react if.
41:19
Speaker 3: You try to talk about spiritual stuff, like.
41:22
Speaker 5: If you're talking to a friend or a family member
41:24
that you don't usually have those conversations with, do you?
41:29
Speaker 3: I mean, like, has that happened?
41:30
Speaker 5: I guess I should I shouldn't just assume that you
41:33
like having all these.
41:34
Speaker 1: Comments I say, I love having conversations, but I'm really
41:36
bad at actually doing them.
41:38
Speaker 2: But yeah, it is.
41:40
Speaker 1: It does depend on the person and the scenario because
41:43
most of the time I don't just like randomly I'm
41:45
hanging out with like one other person. I've been getting
41:49
better at that type of stuff to be like, hey,
41:51
the whole group's not getting together, but I can still
41:54
get together with just like one or two people and
41:55
that's fine. But a lot of times in which I
42:00
try to like instigate something when there's a group around,
42:02
it's just like, well, I'm not the only poll in
42:05
this room of like interesting things happening, And for a
42:10
lot of people, a conversation where it's like it takes
42:13
a bit to get into it and so it's not
42:17
a lot less immediate, and so it's a lot harder
42:20
to actually get into those conversations than it is to
42:24
just go do some crazy thing elsewhere or where people
42:27
are being a bit loud, and so it's a little
42:28
more exciting that way. And I definitely fall into this myself,
42:31
you know, and groups is just like this people talking.
42:34
Speaker 2: It's like.
42:35
Speaker 1: In every group there's like a a gradient of people
42:38
I want to talk to for various reasons or this
42:40
or that. It's like, Oh, this person's really good at
42:42
talking about this. This person really good at that. And so
42:44
like a lot of times in a group, I'm like, oh,
42:46
I kind of want to go over to this section
42:48
and join in on this conversation that they're having over there,
42:51
or this conversation over there. Like Michael and I've talked to,
42:54
like I'm really good at being aware of all the
42:57
different things going on in the room and all of
42:59
the different conversations and being like I could I kind
43:03
of want to be part of that one. I kind
43:04
of want to be part of that one. And then
43:05
I realize I'm completely not paying attention to the person
43:08
in front of me. It's like, oh wait, shoot, they
43:11
were telling me something, Oh no, and then I feel
43:16
really bad about it and it's like, yeah.
43:18
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
43:19
Speaker 1: When other people do that to me, that really annoys me.
43:22
How much am I annoying them by like not really focusing.
43:25
It's like I kind of like, this isn't the most
43:27
interesting conversation right now. I could be having more interest
43:29
over there. It's like, what if you give it two minutes,
43:31
maybe it could be blowing your mind.
43:36
Speaker 2: And that's that.
43:39
Speaker 4: I would say my experience with conversations with like people
43:46
I don't regularly talk too about religious topics with has
43:50
mainly come through work. I've naturally surround myself with people
43:54
who share very similar values to me, So I feel
43:56
like work is my one true primary apostolate to evangelize
44:02
with other people. And I think, like Nick was saying,
44:05
like it is hard to do when there's a big
44:07
group of people. So as an accountant, I'm an auditor
44:10
and sometimes there'll be like five people in the room
44:13
and you're all working together. Yeah, conversation jumps all over
44:16
the place. It stays pretty light. It's hard to go there.
44:19
My favorite is when it's just me and one other person.
44:21
I'm like, yes, we're gonna have some great conversations. So yeah,
44:27
I think a lot of it comes back to like
44:31
starting like how do you even open those conversations? How
44:34
I found is just sharing about my life, like not
44:36
forcing it. And when people ask like, oh, like how
44:41
long did it take you to get to work this morning?
44:43
Like there was so much bad traffic and I was
44:45
like oh really, Like oh okay, that's like I'm sorry
44:48
you had traffic issues or whatever. And They're like, well,
44:50
which way did you take? And I'm like, well, I
44:51
took that way too, but I got here earlier because
44:54
I went to Mass before. And then they're like, oh,
44:57
you went to Mass today day? And they're like, how
45:01
oft do you go Mass? And it's like, well, I
45:03
try to go every day and then they'll be like
45:06
every day, like that's an hour of your life, Oh
45:09
my gosh, and I'm like, wow, technically it's not an hour.
45:13
And then like I got into that conversation spurred on
45:16
to like an hour, hour and a half long conversation. Yeah,
45:19
I should have been working, but I was like this
45:21
is more important. And then he was just asking all
45:27
these questions and it got into like Jesus and the
45:30
Eucharis and like that's really God, and what is transubstantiation
45:33
and mortal sin and what qualifies is mortal sin and
45:36
all of these things. And then the next day he
45:38
showed me he was like, hey, look on my phone,
45:40
like you can see my search history. Like I was
45:41
looking up things about the faith. And one of the
45:45
things is he was a cradle Catholic who just was
45:48
poorly catechised. And so I think a lot of times
45:51
like it's people who like think they have an idea
45:54
of what you believe, but don't have a full understanding.
45:59
So I think there needs to definitely be an openness,
46:01
but a lot of it is just like sharing about ourselves,
46:05
like just things that naturally come up. I think we
46:07
all live with God at the center of our lives,
46:12
so like obviously that's just naturally going to come up
46:15
in conversation, like I'd have to hide it otherwise. So
46:20
just letting those times shine through, and then the people
46:22
who actually care in are open are going to ask
46:24
those follow up questions that are going to lead to
46:27
those opportunities. And I think too, it's also how we
46:31
present it, because sometimes I'll present it in a way
46:33
of like oh yeah, I just like went to Mass
46:35
and like try to hide it or couch it and
46:38
make it sound not exciting and important. But then other times,
46:42
like sometimes managers last me like, oh, what are you
46:45
doing this weekend? And I'm like, oh, well, going to
46:47
seminary on Friday night for Nazareth Night. And then I'm
46:50
like going to this Bible study and then I'm like
46:51
hanging out with these friends doing this thing. And then
46:53
I'm and like a lot of it ends up being religious,
46:56
and I'm like, well there's no way to avoid it. Okay,
46:58
I'm gonna share it. And then they're like, like, you
47:01
do a lot of stuff with the church, don't you.
47:03
And I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess I do. And
47:05
I think if they actually care to get to know you,
47:09
it's just naturally a part of who you are.
47:11
Speaker 2: I guess that's a life act.
47:11
Speaker 1: How do you evangelize with people well when they want
47:13
to know what you do? If all you do is
47:16
religious things, you got to no other options to hide behind.
47:20
Speaker 3: I think that, Uh. I liked it so much and
47:25
I can never remember it.
47:27
Speaker 5: Our definition of evangelization when we did the first one
47:30
first evangelization episode, I think it was something like live
47:35
your life in a way that shares the love of
47:39
Christ that you've experienced in your own life.
47:41
Speaker 3: Is that what it was? Something like that sounds right.
47:44
It was not the right word, but it's not the
47:46
exact way I said that.
47:47
Speaker 5: But because like you were just saying, if God is
47:53
at the center of your life, obviously it's going to
47:55
come through in your conversations unless you're trying to hide it.
47:59
Speaker 3: And I'm trying to think of I'm trying to see
48:04
if I want to.
48:06
Speaker 5: Turn the conversation a little bit in that direction, because
48:10
I feel like a lot of times maybe not you guys,
48:17
I know I have though where you kind of try
48:20
and hide it because you're like, I feel like this
48:22
is gonna be awkward. I don't know how they're gonna
48:24
respond if I say I went to mass I don't
48:26
know how they're gonna respond if I say it's a
48:30
Friday during when I can't go chick flay and whatever
48:33
because I'm not gonna eat meat, like and then so
48:35
you just don't say it, like.
48:38
Speaker 3: Is that has that ever been something that you guys
48:41
have experienced?
48:44
Speaker 5: I guess where you try and because this could be
48:47
an entire thing because we were talking about don't be
48:50
ashamed of your faith as an entire topic for an episode,
48:53
but if we're just talking about in daily life and conversations,
48:58
like has I ever been a problem for you guys
48:59
where you find yourself almost not being ashamed of it,
49:04
but feeling like, oh, I just.
49:05
Speaker 3: Probably shouldn't bring that up because whatever.
49:08
Speaker 1: Dude, Yeah, that's like my whole life because like I've
49:11
said before, it's like I've never like when I was
49:14
in high school, I literally never shared anything about my
49:16
spiritual life. Like I had daily prayers, I had like
49:19
habitual prayers and this and that that I did, and like,
49:22
you know, when my brother came into the room to
49:25
go to bed and stuff, I'd be like, oh no, hi,
49:27
the wa sho under my blanket?
49:29
Speaker 2: What? Yeah, well, want's to be shamed about that.
49:32
Speaker 1: But like what you were saying's like, yeah, that really
49:34
stuck out because you know, last Wednesday, I was like
49:37
debating whether or not to go home or whatnot, and then
49:39
I ended up not going home because some friends were
49:41
out doing stuff and I went and join them for that.
49:44
Speaker 2: But I remember being like.
49:45
Speaker 1: Okay, well, as part of Exodus, I don't eat meat
49:49
on Wednesdays, if I go home today, like I don't
49:51
really want to like bother my mom and be like, hey,
49:54
I'm not going to eat meat today.
49:55
Speaker 2: So it's like what do I do? Like do I
49:56
just eat meat? And like I was like why would I?
50:00
Speaker 1: I was assuming that I would go home and be
50:02
like I got to hide and touch I would have
50:04
to find some excuse to not eat dinner with the family.
50:06
Speaker 2: It's like, why am I hiding that? Like it'd be
50:09
perfectly fine.
50:10
Speaker 1: I could just like, you know, say hey, Mom, I'll
50:14
have out with dinner and we'll figure out a meatless off.
50:16
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like that'd be perfectly fine.
50:18
Speaker 1: It was like it's just so instinctual for me to
50:20
be like people don't need to know this about me.
50:23
People don't need to know that I pray, or people
50:25
don't need to know that I don't need meat on
50:27
Wednesdays or this or that, and then just hide it
50:31
because especially something that's like if it affects how you
50:34
would interact with someone, It's just like, oh, if someone
50:37
invites you to go to the bars and it's like
50:39
I'm not allowed to drink alcohol right now, huh, And
50:44
it's like, well, I don't really want to go to
50:46
the bar and just not drink alcohol and just be
50:48
around as you guys.
50:49
Speaker 5: I was like, no, it's so interesting because the same
50:53
exact thing happened to me with the meat on Wednesdays
50:55
for Egspist.
50:56
Speaker 3: It was not the first week because I was sekh,
50:59
but after.
50:59
Speaker 5: That everybody knew that we were doing no meat on
51:04
Fridays because it was me and my dad and John,
51:07
one of my other brothers, but they didn't know that
51:11
we were doing no meal on Wednesdays too. And the
51:14
first Wednesday, our mom made like I don't know, it
51:20
was like chicken alfreda or something, which is like my
51:22
favorite meal in the entire world.
51:25
Speaker 3: And I got home and I was like, oh, my gosh,
51:28
you know whatever, I can't eat it.
51:32
Speaker 5: But I wasn't gonna say anything to her because I
51:34
know that she knows it's my favorite meal. And our
51:38
dad apparently said something about like oh when she was
51:41
in the room, he was like, oh, I can't It
51:45
sucks that you made chicken on Wednesday because we can't
51:48
eat it for Exodus, and and I wasn't gonna say anything,
51:51
but then he did and she responded positively, and she
51:54
was like, oh, you should have just told me I
51:56
would have just like made something without meat, And I
51:58
was like, I don't know why I wasn't saying that, Like,
52:01
I don't know what kind of reaction I'm expecting them.
52:04
I'm like, you can't tell your Catholic mom who raised
52:07
you as a Catholic to do this stuff, that you're.
52:09
Speaker 3: Not allowed to eat meat today.
52:10
Speaker 5: It's like, I don't know what I'm expecting, especially because,
52:13
like you said a minute ago, I've been in the
52:16
same position where I kind of my entire life have
52:18
intentionally surrounded myself with people who have similar beliefs. So
52:22
it's not like I have a ton of interactions with
52:26
I'm not sure I have interactions a.
52:27
Speaker 3: Ton of uh.
52:31
Speaker 5: Experience, like talking to people about that stuff outside of
52:33
the faith, Like I talked to a lot of Catholics
52:35
about it.
52:37
Speaker 3: But the fact that I talk to Catholics.
52:39
Speaker 5: About it means that I should be even less ashamed
52:42
of it and I should be even more open about it.
52:45
But I still find myself being like, Oh, I don't know,
52:49
should I say.
52:50
Speaker 3: That, Should I ask my mom to make like.
52:53
Speaker 5: Mac and cheese, fish sticks or something instead of making
52:58
meat loaf?
53:00
Speaker 4: I would say, one thing though, I have heard about
53:02
like the sacrificial things, like those mortifications are supposed to
53:06
be for yourselves, So like I think that is a
53:09
fair thing like that you guys would be concerned about, like,
53:12
oh well, I don't want to make it an obstacle
53:15
for somebody else because like it's really just supposed to
53:17
be a sacrifice for yourself, which is true I have
53:19
heard before. You can, like in a situation like that,
53:23
if you want to be like a gracious guest, like
53:25
it is okay to receive that and recognize like I'm
53:29
doing this not like oh yeah, I got a break,
53:31
but more like out of graciousness for the host. So
53:35
I could see it going eat.
53:35
Speaker 5: Because that didn't happen at one point where my mom
53:38
was in the hospital with my little brother, and so
53:40
somebody brought us dinner and it was like tacos or something,
53:43
and I was like, you know what, whatever, I'm just
53:45
gonna eat it.
53:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, because this person was gracious like that. But the
53:49
sort of thing is like when I know I would
53:51
accidentally quote quotation marks put myself in the situation where
53:56
it's just like do I eat this dinner that mom
54:00
made that has meet in it or not. And it's
54:03
like I could have pulled back two hours and and
54:06
just brought that up and then it would have not
54:09
been difficult to reorganize that to make it such that
54:12
wouldn't be a difficulty. And that's not just you know,
54:16
me flouting, Oh I'm doing this thing. So it's like
54:19
it is for yourself. But also if you like in
54:22
looking into the future, it's like aware that I will
54:24
be putting myself into this situation where I either you know,
54:30
I'm a disgracious guest on gracious guest, not a gracious guest,
54:36
or I you know, violate whatever fast I'm holding that day.
54:43
And it's a personal decision because it's like fasting and whatnot.
54:48
Those a lot of those things are not obligated to do.
54:51
So it's like you have your personal decision and you
54:53
can you can adjust it in times. Yeah, but to
54:58
just like be aware of that and like you gotta
55:00
think about that beforehand, because otherwise you'll just be like, well,
55:05
if I just don't bring it up, then I'm gonna
55:07
have to be a nice guest, And I do really
55:10
want that that that chicken alfredo.
55:13
Speaker 5: Yeah, do you ever feel like it's a problem, uh,
55:19
not being not feeling ashamed of it, but almost feeling
55:23
a little bit guilty because Jesus said, when you pray,
55:28
you go into your inner rooms and you lock the
55:30
doors or whatever. So do you ever feel like if
55:33
I bring up the fact that I went to Mass
55:36
today and I said the Rosary or whatever, and especially
55:40
if you're talking to other Catholics who might not have
55:42
done the same, Oh yeah, Like do you ever feel
55:45
like bringing that up in conversation might make it seem
55:48
like you're trying to be like up on your.
55:51
Speaker 3: High horse and like I'm holier than that art kind
55:54
of thing.
55:57
Speaker 4: I would say that's where it comes to, like, yeah,
56:01
just being really aware of yourself and like what your
56:04
honest intentions are bringing it up. And I would say
56:07
most times when anybody's brought conversations like that up to me,
56:13
it's always been inspiring and being like wow, like they're
56:17
doing that, that's amazing, Like I wonder if I could,
56:19
like if they make that work with their crazy schedule,
56:21
maybe I can make it work. So I think more
56:23
often than not, it's probably Satan trying to prevent us
56:27
from sharing things that are going to inspire us and
56:31
be better for us. So I would say, overall, it's
56:35
just good to share the ways that the Lord has
56:37
worked in our lives. And I was going to bring
56:39
that back to the conversation we're having just a bit
56:43
ago about oh was I going with that? About totally
56:55
lost in it? Pay somebody else continues what as we.
57:00
Speaker 3: Talked about it can go through it and think about it.
57:04
I don't remember five minutes ago.
57:07
Speaker 4: Oh oh, it was about like why we're so afraid
57:10
to share things? I think a lot of it. For me,
57:14
it's a question of like, wow, do I need a
57:17
deeper conversion of my own heart? Am I convicted myself
57:22
that this is important, that this is a reality, like
57:25
that the supernatural reality is more real than the visible reality.
57:29
And I think that's what it comes back to. Yeah,
57:32
Like when I'm with a friend who like we're sharing
57:35
about the faith, we're sharing about our spiritual lives. We're
57:37
sharing like deep things that like just make it so
57:40
apparent to me, like, oh my gosh, the Holy Spirit
57:42
is so alive, Like he is working, he is active,
57:44
He has changed my life, and like whenever I just
57:48
feel like actually transformed by the Lord, then like when
57:54
he does like invite me to share, whether it's to
57:59
non religious people or to people who raised me Catholic,
58:04
it just makes it so much easier to be like, well,
58:06
why wouldn't I share? Like this is so real? But
58:10
I think when Satan can like sneak in there and
58:15
like start throwing us those lies of like oh, they
58:17
don't need to know this about you, like, and it's
58:20
kind of like hiding the spiritual life, then I think
58:23
it's harder for other people to recognize it so real
58:25
because we share so many other parts of reality with
58:29
each other. But if we're not sharing the spiritual life,
58:32
it can become invisible. And then when it becomes invisible,
58:37
that's not very hard to see or like it's hard
58:40
for us to distinguish between invisibility and imagination, and so
58:46
then a lot of times it's like, oh, well, I
58:48
just imagine that, like is it really real?
58:53
Speaker 5: That actually is basically where I was trying to get
58:56
the covers. So I'm glad that you brought that up,
59:00
because the thing about like Satan trying to trick you
59:04
into being like that's you don't need to talk about that,
59:07
that's not real. Another one of my favorite quotes is
59:10
the Devil's greatest trick was making you think it doesn't exist.
59:13
And so if like you're saying the line between invisible
59:17
and imaginary is it feels so much thinner than it
59:21
actually is. And yeah, that's the topic I wanted to
59:27
get to and again, we could talk about this forever
59:29
of just like and that's the thing that I've been
59:33
working through for a long time is when I have
59:36
those situa, when I'm in those situations asking myself like
59:40
why are you afraid to share it? Is just because
59:42
like you think they're not interested or are you like
59:44
questioning your own kind of questioning yourself and like are
59:48
you really convinced of that? And it's like then you
59:51
have the thoughts that come into your head of like, oh,
59:53
what do I really believe about this? And it's like
59:55
the devil tries to tempt you, and he tries to
59:57
trick you and tries to make you question yourself, and
59:59
that makes so you do not want to share it
1:00:00
because you're even if you are convinced, there's that little
1:00:04
seed of doubt and it's like, oh, I don't need
1:00:07
to share that because like.
1:00:10
Speaker 3: That that's not as real as the other things. So
1:00:12
I could share. But yeah, that's that's where I wanted
1:00:18
to get to go.
1:00:19
Speaker 5: And I feel like I could talk about that for
1:00:20
like an hour, but I'm not going to.
1:00:22
Speaker 1: And there's another way that the devil can get you.
1:00:26
This was high school Nick versus young college Nick thinking
1:00:30
he's super smart and intelligent for understanding this. But the
1:00:34
concept of false humility, that's what I told myself was like,
1:00:38
why I wasn't tearing It was a false humility. It's
1:00:41
just like, because you hear the Bible past, just like
1:00:43
when you fast, do not be like the Pharisees who
1:00:47
clothe themselves in black cloth and ashes and go about
1:00:50
wailing and groaning.
1:00:51
Speaker 2: But instead, you know.
1:00:53
Speaker 1: Wash your face, present yourself as if you were not fasting,
1:00:56
because you're not there to make everyone know you're fasting.
1:00:59
And that's probably And so I'm like, okay, so I'm
1:01:01
not gonna let anyone know that I'm praying, because like
1:01:03
that's what Jesus said, when you pray, go into your
1:01:05
go into the inner room and pray by yourself.
1:01:07
Speaker 2: It's like you need to have that personal prayer.
1:01:08
Speaker 1: So it's not the purpose of prayer isn't to let
1:01:11
other people know that you're praying because you're better than them.
1:01:14
But then there's that false humility of taking it too far.
1:01:18
And that's what I was doing. I was like, oh, I.
1:01:20
Speaker 2: Pray the rosie every day.
1:01:22
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell other people about that because
1:01:25
I don't want them to feel bad that they're not
1:01:27
doing that. There's also like if I did that, then
1:01:30
people are like, oh, yeah, I do that every morning
1:01:32
at like six am. It's like, oh, you don't fall
1:01:34
asleep pathway through praying the rosie. Oh boy, you've got
1:01:37
a one up on me. But like that that false
1:01:39
humility of just feeling like I'm not sharing this because
1:01:42
I want to be humble, and it's like you're not
1:01:45
being humbled by lording it over each other, and you're
1:01:48
on hearts, Like sure, other people don't know that you're
1:01:50
lording it over them.
1:01:52
Speaker 2: Other people don't know that you're.
1:01:53
Speaker 1: Just like, yeah, but I've got a better spiritual life
1:01:56
than you because I do I do this, and and
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like that still like comes up every time, because the
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devil is really good at just wee being into the cracks.
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And you know, pride is the root of all evil
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and it comes up so easily, and it even comes
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up when we are lackadaisical about our humility, when it's
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just like let its slide. And at some point that
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humility might start being a little false and then it
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can get a little worse and it.
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Speaker 2: Can go a lot deeper.
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Speaker 1: And when you were saying it, like you go to
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Mass every day if you can, I remember earlier this semester,
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I was trying. I was going to Mass every day
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because I'm like, I was like, I can do it,
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so like why not? That sounds cool and a lot
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of cool stuff is happening with it. And I haven't
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done it quite as much this past two weeks because
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I'm like prioritizing many different things, like okay, if I
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also need sleeps, then maybe I don't go to the
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seven o'clock Mass.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: The decisions have to be made every day.
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Speaker 1: If you want to go to a daily Mass, you
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got to work around if you want to make that
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a consistent thing.
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Speaker 2: But I remember talking with people's like.
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Speaker 1: So oh, it's like, what have you been doing like
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spiritual because we talked about that in Exodus and a
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bunch And I'm like, well, I've been going to Mass
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as much as I can, And at that point my
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mind was like, not as much as I can. I've
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been going every day, Like like I was trying to
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hide the fact that I was going every day, maybe
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in this false humility sense, or maybe because I didn't
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want to embarrass someone who's like, but I'm not doing
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that every day. I don't really know why, but it's
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just like using words, it's like I've been going as
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much as I can. I'm not lying there as much
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as I'm able, and I'm able to go every day,
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but it makes me thinks like, oh, I'm going as
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much as I can, like a couple times a week,
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Like there's a big difference there in terms of like intentionality.
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Was going to Mass between like two or three times
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a week and then every day, and then I just
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I just didn't share that.
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Speaker 2: I was like why not.
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Speaker 1: It's like maybe I think I was too scared of
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if I said I'm going every day and they're like, oh,
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so why do you go every day? And like, I
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don't know, it's hard to pay attention in Mass at times.
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Maybe I'm going because I just want to be a
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good Catholic. And maybe maybe it's by going to Mass
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every day that I'll finally unlock the key to understanding
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myself and how to be good. If it is the case,
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it takes a lot more than two months of going
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to mass every day to figure that out. But yeah,
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so just like to just share, to share myself truthfully,
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not to share myself to lord it over others saying ha,
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look at me, I'm so much better than you. Look
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at me fasting when you're not. But also to not
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be like lorded over, to lord it over other people
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in my own heart be like, well, I know you
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can't see me fasting, but I'm fasting so much better
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than you. I was like, obviously we don't think about
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it in that way, but the little bits of that
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kind it kind of your emotions shift towards that just
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a little bit enough for the devil to be like, yeah, yeah,
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that's that's what you wanting, that's what you're doing, and
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then then pull you a little bit further, and at
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some point you get so self involved in it it
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destroys you. As the way to fix that is to
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just share with something, to be real with them.
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Speaker 5: So I guess maybe kind of as a final thing,
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you kind of.
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Speaker 3: Were just saying it, which is what made me think
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of this.
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Speaker 5: But if you had to pick one thing to tell people,
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try to do this or try and work on this.
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If you want to be able to open yourself up
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to more genuine interactions with people, what would that be?
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Speaker 4: It's so hard, I would say for me, I think,
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like what I would tell myself, what should I guess?
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What I would tell other people too, is to just
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like be present. I think sometimes why before when we
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were talking about like being so vulnerable, like white feels
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more vulnerable sometimes to connect with somebody at the rock
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climbing gym rather than connecting with like a friendship friend
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in a very deep way, is because like we don't
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expect to get anything out of that, like if it's
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just a short interaction with somebody. And I think a
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lot of times I am willing to like give people
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a ton of my time if I think they're like
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super cool and if I think like they're going to
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give me something in return, but just being present to
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the person and only trying to receive from them, of
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being like I want to receive you. I want to
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receive you as a person, Like I'm not trying to
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show you how cool I am. I'm not trying to
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impart my wisdom on you. I am not trying to, yeah,
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come away with you thinking more highly of me, Like
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I am here just for you to receive you as
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a child of God, and like I hope to be
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the face of Christ to you and whatever that looks like. So, yeah,
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just trying to see other people the way that God
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sees them, but not expect anything out of that conversation
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other than like to delight in that person for the
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time that God has placed them in front of you.
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Speaker 1: I think that's such a good way of putting as
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like how to be present, because you know, I was
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saying like that's such a really difficult thing, and then
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you say present, like, yeah, I know, there's definitely times
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in which I'm hanging out with this one person like
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something else I'd prefer to be doing, and then I
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lose lose that sense of presence and it's like what
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am I getting out of this right now? It's like
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the delight in the person, And that's such a good thing.
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In order for me to add on a bit of advice,
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I think when you are alone, to look to the
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future as well. So it's like not always be present obviously,
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always be present, even when you're alone. There's ways you
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can be fully present. But like when you are making
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plans or thinking about what you're going to be doing
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in the next couple of days, to like think to
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the future and be like, Okay, if I'm going to
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be hanging out with this one friend, then to mentally
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prepare myself to delide in that person, and to mentally
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prepare myself for the way I have to interact with
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this person because it's a bit different than I have
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to interact with this other person. And to tell myself
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when it comes to interacting with to this person because
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we're good friends, to not think about being elsewhere, to
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not think about, oh, but I would much prefer to
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be doing this thing with this person. It's like, well,
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of course you would, because you're a human person and
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you always this is always something you wanted to be
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doing other than the thing you're doing now, Especially the
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thing you're doing now is a difficult thing, like having
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difficult conversations with people, and it's like to just look
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at the future and prepare yourself to be present. You know,
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I don't know how to explain it besides to prepare
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yourself to be present, look to the future, so in
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the future you can be present.
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Speaker 3: I think I.
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Speaker 5: Would say that you never know anybody until you do,
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so you should always be open to the conversations that God.
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Speaker 3: Gives you the opportunity for.
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Speaker 5: And it might be five minutes, it might be five hours,
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but just be present, be willing to accept whatever the
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other person has to give you, and then be open
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to being honest and vulnerable if the opportunity presents itself.
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You don't have to force that into a conversation where
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it doesn't belong. You don't need to share your deepest,
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darkest secrets if we're talking about the Cardinals game. But
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maybe it's your new best friend. You never know, like
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you could be talking to the person who you're gonna
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talk like a conversation you have tomorrow with the person
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you've never met that could be your best friend for
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the rest of your life, and you might talk to
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them every single day for the rest of your life
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until you die, and you won't know unless you have
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that conversation with them. So yeah, just be open.
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Speaker 3: And I think that's all I have to say. That's
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a really good way of wrapping up.
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Speaker 1: You said something very particularly that I was like, that's
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so cool. I also completely forgot about it.
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Speaker 2: But then I listened back.
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Speaker 3: I'll remember what you never know anyone until you do.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I love good totology. But it's what you said
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right after that.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. We'll figure it out.
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Speaker 2: We'll figure it out.
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Speaker 1: It's the sort of thing is like, I literally I
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was listening so intentively that I forgot what I was
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listening to.
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Speaker 2: I was being present, so I forgot the past, the wording.
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But yeah, thank you for.
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Speaker 1: Listening to us today. Thank you, Liz, for for being
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gracious and coming filling in full some spot for us,
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but not just filling in this spot we've been wanting
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you for a while. Is he really good with questions?
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So I'm gonna end us with a prayer, unless anyone
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has any final thoughts, anything they want to say, all right,
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Name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Emmen, Lord, thank
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you this time for this time together with us friends,
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that this conversation that we have had might might help
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the heart of at least one person, if only one person,
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We would glorify you through the great gifts of our
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presence with each other. And we pray that as we
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look forward into the rest of our lives, that we
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may be present with those around us and share who
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we are, and truly be real with our friends in
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ways that we may not even be able to be
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real with ourselves. We asked this in your name.
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Speaker 2: Amen.
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Speaker 3: Amen.
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Speaker 5: Well, thank you guys for listening, and we will see
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you next time.
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Speaker 3: Next time, peas out