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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, March fifth. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
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Speaker 2: And now a guy who comes in like a lion,
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Speaker 2: but goes out like well another lion, but with less hair. J. P.
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Speaker 1: Shacker, Welcome in. It is Jaguars Happy Hour. JP Shadwick,
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Speaker 1: Jeff Logoman from the Hundai Studios of the Miller Electric
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Speaker 1: Center test drive a new Hyundai today only at your
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Speaker 1: local Hondai dealer. Here's what's coming up. Six days to
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Speaker 1: free agency. We're inside a week to the twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: six lee year beginning officially that's Wednesday at four o'clock.
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Speaker 1: There's a tampering period and we'll get to that coming
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Speaker 1: up in just a few moments. Some Jaguars possibilities question mark.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're going to be too many
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Speaker 1: of them. We'll see what Logs thinks about that. NFL
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Speaker 1: storylines is well on what has been busier time. Now
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Speaker 1: inside a week the free agency around the NFL. We're
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Speaker 1: on TESS, nxl Amjaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube on
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Speaker 1: this Thursday Afternoon. JP Shadwick, Jeff Loghaman, Good afternoon, Jeffrey afternoon. JP.
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Speaker 3: You know I can remember in years past, we would
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Speaker 3: always get so excited about the prospect of free agency
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Speaker 3: because you know, the reality is is that bad teams
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Speaker 3: always look to that for hope. And when teams play well,
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Speaker 3: like this football team played well this past fall, you're like, eh, okay,
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Speaker 3: it's free agency. It's like, okay, I hope they get
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Speaker 3: some good players. But you're not sitting there hanging on
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Speaker 3: every piece of information that you can possibly get because
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Speaker 3: you feel like you're going to be good regardless of
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Speaker 3: what happens in free agency.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's been all seasons around here where you're
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Speaker 1: bringing in first wave, big money guys that you know,
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Speaker 1: and that's sometimes don't work out.
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Speaker 3: It's not the way you win. I mean it's you know, look,
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Speaker 3: I think last year, if you go back and you
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Speaker 3: look at the last two years of free agency for
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Speaker 3: this organization, last year, all of the free agents I
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Speaker 3: think cost as much as the previous year's hall of
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Speaker 3: two free agents. I mean, it dramatically different when it
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Speaker 3: comes to contractual cumulative total in free agency from last
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Speaker 3: year to the previous years. But I mean, look, I
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Speaker 3: mean the reality is when you're not good, that's the
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Speaker 3: hope that gets provided to a fan. Base.
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Speaker 4: Hey, look, hey, look what we're doing. We're trying to
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Speaker 4: get better or we're getting better. Look see, and then
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Speaker 4: it didn't get better this past year. You didn't spend
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Speaker 4: a lot of money, and everybody was like, eh, well
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Speaker 4: they got better.
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Speaker 3: You know that haven't spent a whole lot of money.
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Speaker 1: And I think the bigger story right now is the
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Speaker 1: players that might not be coming back to the Jaguars.
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Speaker 1: So we've beaten this to death clearly.
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Speaker 3: Again, I just I go back to that and I
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Speaker 3: say that you know, well we'll see, you know. I
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Speaker 3: mean I think it's people sometimes have they jump to
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Speaker 3: conclusions and they think that as a foregone quin. People
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Speaker 3: jump to conclusions and in sports, you know, look when
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Speaker 3: you talk about it, that's kind of what sports talk
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Speaker 3: can be. I mean, you know, the reality is is that, look,
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Speaker 3: you don't have to sign guys before the free agents
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Speaker 3: period starts to have an interest in retaining players. I've
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Speaker 3: said that before, and I think sometimes it's actually good
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Speaker 3: that you can let the player see the market. And
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Speaker 3: then also, I think everybody that's involved in this has
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Speaker 3: got a plan. I mean I believe wholeheartedly and James
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Speaker 3: Gladstone's approach that he's got a plan on how to
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Speaker 3: handle if for some reason they lose players that they
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Speaker 3: have a plan to be able to replace them. And look,
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Speaker 3: the draft capital that they have also is going to
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Speaker 3: have have a major impact on all of that. And
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Speaker 3: the players that they had last year that were unable
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Speaker 3: to contribute last year will have an impact this year
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Speaker 3: as well.
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Speaker 1: Right tailor ransaw Right was unavailable all season one. Travis Hunter, I'm.
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Speaker 3: Unavailable for the most part going down, So I mean
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Speaker 3: there's going to be an influx in those type of
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Speaker 3: players as well. So I'm looking forward to free agency
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Speaker 3: just because I want to see what the approach is.
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Speaker 3: I expect it to be similar to last year, but
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Speaker 3: I don't think the numbers, you know, the year number
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Speaker 3: of players acquired are going to be as large as
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Speaker 3: last year. You Know, last year they did a great
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Speaker 3: job of completely remaking the offensive line room, and I
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Speaker 3: think in some cases you're going to have to remake
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Speaker 3: your defensive backfield a little bit. They did that last
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Speaker 3: year too, But yeah, and I think defensive line is
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Speaker 3: going to get some extra attention as well.
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Speaker 1: So it's going to be.
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Speaker 3: Fun because it's Look, we're all fans and we want
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Speaker 3: to see what happens next, but we're not we're not
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Speaker 3: clinging to this upcoming class as a is a way
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Speaker 3: to have hope for the organization, which is a big difference.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a way better place to be. I mean, and.
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Speaker 1: Let's be honest in it is fairly rare to have
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Speaker 1: a free agent signed player turn into a franchise player
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Speaker 1: for his second team, right and be like that guy
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Speaker 1: there was a run obviously, and that's what happens. It
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Speaker 1: does happen. Kalais Campbell was that guy that was a
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Speaker 1: home run free agent signing right, that whole class, like,
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Speaker 1: those guys were different. And Elik Jackson was one of
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Speaker 1: those guys too, came in really good player. You know that.
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Speaker 1: That's twenty seventeen. That's a long time ago, about ten
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Speaker 1: years ago. Now, it doesn't happen all last year. There's
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Speaker 1: a handful of guys. Jordan Lewis is one of those
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Speaker 1: guys comes in. He was with Dallas forever and it
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Speaker 1: comes to a next place and you know what he is,
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Speaker 1: and he was a fantastic, exciting and the one of
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Speaker 1: the old heads in that cornerback room to have there.
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Speaker 1: There will be just a few names.
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Speaker 3: It will be those types that are available. I mean,
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Speaker 3: you can find them, but I mean, look, you know
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Speaker 3: you got to you gotta be good at your job,
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Speaker 3: you know. I mean you know that, And that's why,
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Speaker 3: you know, that's what I want. Of the reasons, I
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Speaker 3: also why I love the structure of how the organization
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Speaker 3: is and that you have an EVP, you have a
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Speaker 3: general manager, you have a coach. Coach you coach, you know,
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Speaker 3: get the most out of your players and make them
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Speaker 3: the best that they can possibly be. And general manager
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Speaker 3: get us players, get us all the best players you can.
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Speaker 3: Don't worry about all the other operational aspects of the
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Speaker 3: organization because our EVP of Football Operations, Tony Boselli, is
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Speaker 3: going to handle that, you know. So now we can
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Speaker 3: have people focus in on their job, focus on player acquisition,
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Speaker 3: focus on coaching. Okay, now Tony focuses in on handling
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Speaker 3: the staff and the operational status of the football team.
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Speaker 3: You know, I love the design and I love the setup.
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Speaker 3: And after this team's success last year, we're starting to
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Speaker 3: see other teams try to mirror the same thing that
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Speaker 3: have made changes this year. In the off season, they're
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Speaker 3: trying to mirror the same thing.
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Speaker 1: James Gladstone season is upon us now for the Jaguars. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is his season.
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Speaker 3: This is it.
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Speaker 1: This is absolutely from here through the draft. We're on
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Speaker 1: ten Toxlamjaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube. It is Jaguars Happy
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Speaker 1: Hours ap Shadwick with Jeff Logoman. Coming up shortly, we'll
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Speaker 1: hear from Liam Cohen and Trevor Lawrence. They had to
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Speaker 1: sit down with Bucky Brooks. That hit earlier this week
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Speaker 1: on Jaguars YouTube. We'll hear some highlights of that. Also,
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Speaker 1: at around four point thirty, the voice of the Indianapolis Colts,
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Speaker 1: Matt Taylor, will get his take on what's going on
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Speaker 1: in the quarterback room in Indianapolis. That's all coming up.
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Speaker 1: The Jaguars did make a re signing this week. They
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Speaker 1: agreed to terms with tight end Quinton Mark, entering now
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Speaker 1: his fifth NFL season in twenty twenty six. Role player
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Speaker 1: on offense, blocking mainly special teams, more special teams snaps
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Speaker 1: than offensive snaps. But there was a moment there. I
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Speaker 1: think he started five games this year and contributed a
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Speaker 1: big way in the run game.
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Speaker 3: I was and I think I mentioned this during the
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Speaker 3: fall is that. What I loved about the change in
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Speaker 3: the way that this organization operated during the season is
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Speaker 3: that you had players that earned the right to wear
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Speaker 3: a helmet on game day, and Clinton Morris was one
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Speaker 3: of those guys that. Look, he worked his way into
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Speaker 3: earning the helmet on game day to the point where
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Speaker 3: one of your big free agent acquisition acquisitions, Hunter Long,
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Speaker 3: got hurt, comes back, declared ready to go. Well, he
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Speaker 3: ended up staying off to the side because Clint Morris
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Speaker 3: was playing well and was fulfilling the roles that was
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Speaker 3: asked of him at a very high level, excellent blocker,
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Speaker 3: capable receiver, very good special teams player, and it was
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Speaker 3: a situation where he earned the right to have the
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Speaker 3: helmet on game day. And it wasn't a matter of, well,
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Speaker 3: you know what, we got to get our free agent
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Speaker 3: out on the field and get him active because you know,
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Speaker 3: we signed him in free agency and he was a
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Speaker 3: big acquisition at Quinton Morris. You know, let's just make
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Speaker 3: him inactive because it makes me as a general manager
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Speaker 3: look bad if I've got that guy playing over my
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Speaker 3: free agent acquisition. That's kind of the way he felt
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Speaker 3: like it was before. And so I think that He
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Speaker 3: was a symbol I think in a lot of ways
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Speaker 3: for what was right about this organization this past year.
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Speaker 3: Played very well, worked his rear end off, played hard,
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Speaker 3: and yeah, I mean keeping him around. I don't think
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Speaker 3: it's going to cost a lot of money, but you
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Speaker 3: want to keep that skill set around because he was
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Speaker 3: definitely one that added to the game day possibilities.
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Speaker 1: And to see him step in there and execute some
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Speaker 1: of the similar blocking schemes that Britain Stranger was able
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Speaker 1: to do it I mean off the right tackle going
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Speaker 1: to the left and I mean, I don't know what
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Speaker 1: that's called. Was that a whack job? Right? That's for
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Speaker 1: lack of a entertainer he was.
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Speaker 3: He was putting a defender into the horizontal position, that's right,
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Speaker 3: which is what we call the dead roach position. And
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Speaker 3: Quinton Morris did did quite a few of those throughout
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Speaker 3: the course of the year, and uh, you know, and
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Speaker 3: I appreciate him, man. He gave you everything he had
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Speaker 3: in every capacity that he had. And I remember watching
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Speaker 3: him a camp and I was going, you know, when
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Speaker 3: I first saw him and like, you know, it's just
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Speaker 3: kind of a maybe a number, and then you started
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Speaker 3: to watch him get better and get better and get better,
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Speaker 3: and then on game day he was able to kind
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Speaker 3: of elevate his game to another level and it was like, wow, Okay,
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Speaker 3: you know, here's a guy that that's making you take
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Speaker 3: notice because of his play on special team. And then
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Speaker 3: when he got onto the field as an offensive player,
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Speaker 3: he took advantage of those opportunities and did an excellent
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Speaker 3: job blocking. And then all of a sudden he started
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Speaker 3: to have some plays that were designed for him because
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Speaker 3: I think the offensive staff does a great job of
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Speaker 3: kind of catching defenses off guard and throwing it to
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Speaker 3: a guy who's kind of a no name sometimes catches
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Speaker 3: the defense off guard, and they were able to take
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Speaker 3: advantage of it. He's a very capable wide receiver as well.
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Speaker 1: He has a touchdown the last game of the season
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Speaker 1: against Tennessee.
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Speaker 3: Which that was like, that was a design play for
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Speaker 3: the frame. I mean, that's cool stuff, really cool stuff,
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Speaker 3: And I think that just goes to show you the
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Speaker 3: confidence also that the coaching staff had in him.
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Speaker 1: And reports are that it's a one year deal for
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Speaker 1: upwards of three million dollars, we could see a handful
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Speaker 1: of those kind of things come back into play even
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Speaker 1: before free agency begins. That's not far fetched at all.
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Speaker 1: Some of those role player.
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Speaker 3: Guess that's it's not. I mean, I consider that a
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Speaker 3: really good deal. He's a he's a role player, and
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Speaker 3: you know, obviously players that are not full time starters
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Speaker 3: that are role players and special teams players. I mean,
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Speaker 3: that's that's a that's a good, good price, I think
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Speaker 3: in my opinion. Yeah, I dis like that they have
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Speaker 3: him back, you know whatever. I mean, obviously you don't
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Speaker 3: want to pay him ten million dollars, but I like
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Speaker 3: the fact that he's coming back because I like what
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Speaker 3: he brings to the offense. Not only that role player ability,
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Speaker 3: but there's an attitude that he kind of plays the
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Speaker 3: game with. Now it's not quite Brenton Strange, okay, because
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Speaker 3: Brenton's Strange attitude is like in the upper stratosphere of players,
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Speaker 3: I mean, one of those ultimate competitor guys. But Quent
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Speaker 3: Morris is you know, he's you know it when you
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Speaker 3: see it on tape. He's up there, but not quite
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Speaker 3: where Breton Strange is at.
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Speaker 1: I like it back in the moment. Trevor Lawrence and
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Speaker 1: Liam Cohen sat down with Bucky Brooks this week. The
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Speaker 1: full interview at Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube will
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Speaker 1: hear some of the highlights when we come back. And
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Speaker 1: then about four point thirty, the voice of the Indianapolis
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Speaker 1: Colts Matt Taylor on what the heck is going on
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Speaker 1: in the quarterback room and ending we'll find out in
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Speaker 1: just a little bit it's Jaguars Happy.
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Speaker 5: Hour, right, Okay, I'll go back to the moment.
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Speaker 6: Like everyone talks about, it went borrow Cincinnati.
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Speaker 5: I don't think you can kind of bounce back from
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Speaker 5: that without having a bond and like, hey, we really
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Speaker 5: respect one another, and so what happens in the moment happens.
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Speaker 1: How'd you feel about that interaction? How you waving a
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Speaker 1: bounce that it.
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Speaker 7: Had already had a few of those by that, so
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Speaker 7: it wasn't really something too new for us. It just
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Speaker 7: happened in a game. I want to push you to
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Speaker 7: try to be the best version of yourself, and that's
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Speaker 7: on every single throw, a five yard throw and a
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Speaker 7: twenty yard comeback, and continuously trying to push that envelope.
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Speaker 7: And when you've got a guy who starts with humility
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Speaker 7: in terms of how he operates, he's not going to
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Speaker 7: back down to hard coach.
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Speaker 1: Liam Cohen and Trevor Lawrence sitting down with Bucky Brooks
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Speaker 1: earlier this week hit on Jaguars YouTube, Jaguars dot Com
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Speaker 1: Welcome back. It is Jaguars Happy Hour from the Hunday
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Speaker 1: Studios at the Miller Electric Centerton to Nextlamjaguars dot Com,
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Speaker 1: Jaguars YouTube. Glad you're along with us as the offseason
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Speaker 1: rolls along. Inside a week until the start of the
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six league year. That's Wednesday at four o'clock
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Speaker 1: pre agency begins. Then a lot going on there, but hey,
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Speaker 1: good to hear from Liam Cohen and Trevor Lawrence together.
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Speaker 1: Bucky did a great job with the conversation this week
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Speaker 1: and check out the whole thing. But their relationship just
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Speaker 1: continued to block so as this season went along. Lines.
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Speaker 3: I think that moment was pretty interesting though, right. I
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Speaker 3: remember when it happened, and I was like, Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I like that, you know, because the reason I said
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Speaker 3: I like it is that everybody should be coached hard.
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Speaker 3: I mean quarterbacks, offensive linemen, defensive backs, linebackers, doesn't matter.
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Speaker 3: I mean everybody should be respected and coached hard. And
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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people when they saw that
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Speaker 3: they were like, oh, there might be a little something
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Speaker 3: between the coach and the quarterback here. You know, wait
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Speaker 3: a minute, I mean, it's just trying to get the
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Speaker 3: quarterback better. And I love the fact that Trevor was like,
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Speaker 3: you know whatever, weigh that off, you know, because I mean, look,
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Speaker 3: I mean sometimes you've got to be able to You
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Speaker 3: got to have a little bit of tough skin sometimes
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Speaker 3: to be that guy. And so I appreciated that moment.
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Speaker 3: And when I saw it, I was like, Okay, we've
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Speaker 3: got a head coach that's not afraid to coaches really
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Speaker 3: end off and is not afraid to make maybe somebody
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Speaker 3: uncomfortable to demand and expect more.
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Speaker 1: But it's a two way street as well. The player
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Speaker 1: has to be accepting of that hard coaching. And Trevor
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Speaker 1: Lawrence was asked about that as the season went along.
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Speaker 6: I know somewhere in the middle of the year, there
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Speaker 6: was this conversation that you guys have and I think
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Speaker 6: it was right before Arizona game, where you encourage him
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Speaker 6: to let it rip from a quarterback, what does he
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Speaker 6: like to have someone say, hey, man, just go play
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Speaker 6: and don't worry about the mistakes and those things.
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Speaker 8: You get to ask any quarterback and that's what they
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Speaker 8: would want. Is that freedom. You know, kind of clicked
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Speaker 8: a little bit with me. I'm all right, just forget it,
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Speaker 8: you know, quit trying to be perfect, just go out
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Speaker 8: and play. And actually had a bunch of turnovers that game,
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Speaker 8: but we had another conversation after the game and we
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Speaker 8: ended up win in Obviously, it was never ignoring the bad,
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Speaker 8: but it was always trying to focus on the positives
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Speaker 8: and just get better at the things that we need
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Speaker 8: to work on. And so that approach really helped me
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Speaker 8: just you know, make the play that's there, play within yourself,
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Speaker 8: to trust yourself, and you know, it all happen out
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Speaker 8: the way it's supposed to.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let it rip, and he did for three interceptions
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Speaker 1: in that game against Arizona. Jags ended up winning the game,
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Speaker 1: but that went a long way to the stretch run
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Speaker 1: and the winning streak to wrap up the season.
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Speaker 3: Now, now, don't lie to me, okay, because at halftime,
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Speaker 3: what were you thinking? House thinking about? Everybody else is
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Speaker 3: thinking like what the he was going on? It's not
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Speaker 3: gad the way it should be going. But you know,
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Speaker 3: I think somewhere in the back of my mind in
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Speaker 3: that game and because I remember just going, this is
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Speaker 3: just not going well. But a lot of them were
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Speaker 3: not his fault.
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Speaker 1: Right, It was like tip balls or weird things.
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Speaker 3: But you're thinking that maybe that's going to impact him
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Speaker 3: as he's going forward, because it's still happening, you know,
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Speaker 3: it's still happening to him. But then I was thinking
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Speaker 3: back to the playoff game against the Chargers at home,
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Speaker 3: and I said to myself, he can do it.
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Speaker 1: He can do it.
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Speaker 3: He can do it, but he's got to be mentally tough.
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Speaker 3: And I think that that moment right there showed that
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Speaker 3: Trevor's got a mental toughness about him and and also
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Speaker 3: took some of the words to heart from his head
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Speaker 3: coach about just let it rip, you know. And that's
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Speaker 3: and to be honest with you, Trevor wasn't letting it rip.
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Speaker 3: Prior to that game. He was thinking way too much.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you'd sit there and watch throws and he's
18:27
Speaker 3: you could kind of tell his eyes were there, but
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Speaker 3: then he wouldn't trust it. He would like go and
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Speaker 3: then make the throw, and then the throws late because
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Speaker 3: he wasn't willing to commit, you know. And sometimes you again,
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Speaker 3: it's let it, rip, commit, whatever you want to call it.
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Speaker 3: Just play sometimes it's just got to you got to
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Speaker 3: play sometimes free of just react to what you see,
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Speaker 3: you prepare all week and to make the right decisions.
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Speaker 3: And then sometimes you just got to get into that
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Speaker 3: into that mode where it's no no, no, no, no, no no
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Speaker 3: right no no, no, no, no no, it's just it's just happening.
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Speaker 3: And uh and that was yeah, and that was That
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Speaker 3: was a cool game for Trevor. It was a fun
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Speaker 3: game for Trevor and and it really was a turning point.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that was a big, big moment for this
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Speaker 3: football team this past year, especially for him.
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Speaker 1: The off season conversations that they had. Obviously, you know,
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Speaker 1: Liam Cohen is hired and they've got to get to
19:33
Speaker 1: know each other and and figure out each other's personality.
19:36
Speaker 1: Can't talk football in the off season right until the
19:38
Speaker 1: program begins. But those conversations.
19:42
Speaker 3: Easn't talk ball, which can't talk, can't do and oh
19:46
Speaker 3: yeah you can, you can't be in there, you know,
19:47
Speaker 3: teaching x's and o's and plans.
19:49
Speaker 1: But that building of relationship early just continued. That set
19:54
Speaker 1: a foundation for what happened. What we've been talking about
19:57
Speaker 1: the back and forth, the give and take. Hard to
20:00
Speaker 1: do that when you don't have respect or some kind
20:04
Speaker 1: of relationship that is the baseline of all that.
20:08
Speaker 3: Well, and you got to have a lot of faith, right,
20:09
Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of a two way street, having faith.
20:11
Speaker 3: And at the quarterback, you gotta have faith in that
20:14
Speaker 3: coach has given you information that's going to help make
20:16
Speaker 3: you the best player, and the coach you got to
20:17
Speaker 3: have faith that the player can develop in something that
20:20
Speaker 3: you envision. And that's not easy to have, I think
20:23
Speaker 3: when you're talking about two people that don't really know
20:26
Speaker 3: each other. And so I mean, and I think that
20:29
Speaker 3: that's a process, you know. I don't think that that's
20:31
Speaker 3: something that just magically happens. I think that things of
20:35
Speaker 3: that nature are earned over the course of time. And
20:38
Speaker 3: sometimes you got to have a little bit of luck
20:41
Speaker 3: with all of that as well.
20:42
Speaker 1: And I mean it'll continue to grow too. We're only
20:45
Speaker 1: barely a year into that relationship.
20:47
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, look, I mean the growth process is
20:50
Speaker 3: never ending. And you know, even though Trevor Lawrence is
20:53
Speaker 3: what years is for him coming up six six, coming
20:56
Speaker 3: into year six, I mean five six.
21:00
Speaker 1: Either way, I.
21:01
Speaker 3: Think we're he's got many years of continuing to get better.
21:05
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think a quarterback hits his peak
21:08
Speaker 3: until he's starting to approach double digits year six years Yeah,
21:11
Speaker 3: into playing, and so I think there's a lot to learn,
21:15
Speaker 3: and especially a lot to learn in the offense. Look,
21:17
Speaker 3: there's tremendous amount that he's learned by playing defenses, and
21:21
Speaker 3: you know, the defenses are all I don't want to
21:23
Speaker 3: say the same, but I mean there's always new wrinkles,
21:25
Speaker 3: et cetera. But the ability to come back in year
21:28
Speaker 3: two of the offense and to really own it I
21:33
Speaker 3: think is going to be big for Trevor and the
21:36
Speaker 3: head coach going forward, because now, all of a sudden,
21:39
Speaker 3: he's been immersing this offense for now going into year two,
21:42
Speaker 3: So now he can reach back into the memory bank
21:46
Speaker 3: and pull experiences out as he moves forward into helping
21:52
Speaker 3: shape this offense into what they both envision.
21:56
Speaker 1: And the stability around him on the coaching staff as well.
21:59
Speaker 1: I mean, they were interview for Yudensky. He ended up
22:01
Speaker 1: not going anywhere, and you know that won't last forever
22:05
Speaker 1: if the success continues, but it's good to have that
22:07
Speaker 1: continuity in another year.
22:09
Speaker 3: Least, and that's that JP, that's me and you've talked
22:11
Speaker 3: about this and that we talked about this before Liam
22:14
Speaker 3: Cohen was hired. I mean, that's one of the reasons
22:16
Speaker 3: why you in a perfect world, if you're looking to
22:21
Speaker 3: hire a head coach, you want to have a head
22:23
Speaker 3: coach that has his background in offense because you want
22:28
Speaker 3: to have consistent consistency with your staff regardless of who
22:34
Speaker 3: gets the next job. In the NFL head coaching world,
22:39
Speaker 3: you know, that's why, like Andy Reid offensive guru, offensive mind,
22:43
Speaker 3: if they lose their coordinator, do you really care?
22:45
Speaker 1: No, And he's calling a place rightway.
22:48
Speaker 3: In fact, they've lost coordinators and let move coordinators move
22:51
Speaker 3: on to become head coaches and then brought some of
22:54
Speaker 3: them now back in Eric Bienemy, you know. But here's
22:57
Speaker 3: the consistent part, Andy Reid, you know, and that's all
23:01
Speaker 3: kind of the same thing with you know, Liam Kohen
23:04
Speaker 3: and you know, so look, eventually you're probably gonna lose
23:07
Speaker 3: a Grant Yudinsky, you know, and you may end up
23:11
Speaker 3: losing a defensive coordinator at some point. But you know,
23:15
Speaker 3: that's one of the reasons why you also build your
23:17
Speaker 3: staff and continue to have an influx of more coaching
23:23
Speaker 3: talent so that when some goes out the door, you're
23:27
Speaker 3: having some of these next guys that that you've trained
23:31
Speaker 3: just step up.
23:33
Speaker 1: We've got plenty ahead. When we come back logs, we're
23:36
Speaker 1: gonna go to Indianapolis and like physically no, no, no no,
23:41
Speaker 1: We're gonna listen to an NFL from Trek that was
23:43
Speaker 1: physically there last week. Beat me up.
23:46
Speaker 3: How many bars did you hit by the way bars? Yeah,
23:49
Speaker 3: Indianapolis has.
23:50
Speaker 1: Got some great bars.
23:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do a handful. That's not a critical and
23:54
Speaker 3: that's actually accomplished. That's what networking at the combine. Did
23:58
Speaker 3: you get some trimp cocktails one night?
24:01
Speaker 1: I did? That's totally a must. It's very good. And
24:04
Speaker 1: that's where a lot of business gets done in the
24:06
Speaker 1: league during combine.
24:07
Speaker 3: Oh, there's a lot of things that get done at
24:09
Speaker 3: that restaurant. We're back at a moment. We'll hear from Matt Taylor,
24:12
Speaker 3: the voice of the Colts. What's going on in the
24:14
Speaker 3: quarterback room, what are the prospects in the off season
24:17
Speaker 3: for Indy.
24:18
Speaker 1: We'll hear about the division rival. When we come back,
24:20
Speaker 1: it's Jaguars Happy Hour, Welcome back. It is Jaguars Happy
24:26
Speaker 1: Hour on this Thursday, JP Shadwick, Jeff Logman. We're at
24:30
Speaker 1: the Hundai studios of the Miller Electric Center, ten Tedxlamjaguars
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24:40
Speaker 1: Combine is in the rear view. The Jaguars leadership did
24:44
Speaker 1: not attend. The Jaguars did though, that was the conversation
24:47
Speaker 1: of last week. Of course, nearly forty credentialed Jaguars employees
24:51
Speaker 1: were in Indianapolis doing the work that has always been done,
24:56
Speaker 1: and also in Indianapolis last week. A very busy radio Row.
25:02
Speaker 1: I think it's the busiest we've seen since we've been
25:04
Speaker 1: going since twenty thirteen. Keep adding tables on Radio Row,
25:08
Speaker 1: but it's a good time to catch up with everybody
25:09
Speaker 1: around the league, and especially in the AFC South. And
25:13
Speaker 1: each week we'll have a conversation with the voice of
25:16
Speaker 1: each team in this division. This week the Indianapolis Colts
25:20
Speaker 1: and announcer Matt Taylor. And there's a lot going on
25:24
Speaker 1: in Indy. Now we'll start with the quarterback situation from
25:28
Speaker 1: an organization that had Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck back
25:31
Speaker 1: to back. Just since then, all these changes at quarterback.
25:35
Speaker 1: How does it get settled back down is the answer
25:38
Speaker 1: on this roster?
25:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I mean what they got from
25:42
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones I think exceeded even the most optimistic fans
25:47
Speaker 2: expectations for last year. I mean, Daniel Jones was the
25:52
Speaker 2: new guy, but to be to give him, to give
25:55
Speaker 2: him credit, there's been a lot of new guys for
25:57
Speaker 2: the Colts, and what he did coming in in a
25:59
Speaker 2: short amount of time after being picked up in free
26:01
Speaker 2: agency last March, he really did a nice job of
26:04
Speaker 2: connecting with everybody inside the organization, especially the guys inside
26:08
Speaker 2: the locker room. Really galvanized the room, went way above
26:14
Speaker 2: and beyond in terms of connecting with all the different
26:17
Speaker 2: parts of the roster, and so guys wanted to play
26:20
Speaker 2: for him. Guys really bought into who he was personality wise,
26:24
Speaker 2: and so for the first ten games of the season
26:26
Speaker 2: last year, when he and everybody else on offense was healthy,
26:31
Speaker 2: you saw it do some really impressive things. Now, the
26:34
Speaker 2: naysayers to that will say, well, look at who the
26:36
Speaker 2: Colts played. I think there's there's some credence to that. However,
26:42
Speaker 2: the Colts were beaten the crap out of bad teams
26:45
Speaker 2: and that's what you're supposed to do to bad teams, right.
26:47
Speaker 2: They won a bunch of games by twenty plus points,
26:50
Speaker 2: and they were kind of on cruise control in the
26:52
Speaker 2: first ten games of the year when they were eight
26:53
Speaker 2: and two and leading the offense or leading the NFL
26:57
Speaker 2: in offense and basically everything, you know, scoring thirty three
27:01
Speaker 2: points per game. They were averaging almost four hundred yards
27:04
Speaker 2: and not to get two in the weeds because it's
27:05
Speaker 2: kind of analytical, but I mean their points per possession
27:09
Speaker 2: was over three, like well over three, and that's kind
27:12
Speaker 2: of a nerdy stat but that just kind of, you know,
27:14
Speaker 2: points to how efficient they were in those first ten games.
27:18
Speaker 2: And then he experiences the fracture of fibula in Germany.
27:23
Speaker 2: The offense wasn't the same. Then he gets hurt, you know,
27:26
Speaker 2: or goes out injured altogether with the torn achilles in
27:29
Speaker 2: Jacksonville in Week fourteen, and then the season just spiraled
27:33
Speaker 2: out of control. They had a bunch of injuries on
27:35
Speaker 2: defense too, which I'm sure we'll talk about. But I
27:38
Speaker 2: do think that Jones is the long term answer. In
27:41
Speaker 2: the short term, he's coming off a season, you know,
27:45
Speaker 2: a torn achilles late in the season. So where's he
27:48
Speaker 2: going to be. Is he going to be ready for
27:50
Speaker 2: the start of training camp at the earliest. I think
27:52
Speaker 2: that's what you're looking at. But I think when you
27:55
Speaker 2: trade two first round picks for Sauce Gardner in the
27:59
Speaker 2: middle of the season, the trade deadline, when you're eight
28:01
Speaker 2: and two him, that sent two messages. One it was
28:05
Speaker 2: we're all in. We like where we're at, and if
28:08
Speaker 2: we give away two first round picks, we like what
28:10
Speaker 2: we have in quarterback and Daniel Jones Anthony Richardson done, It's.
28:15
Speaker 1: Gonna be tough.
28:15
Speaker 2: I mean, if you ask me right now in mid February,
28:18
Speaker 2: you know, to describe the hierarchy of the depth chart
28:21
Speaker 2: at quarterback. I mean, right now, you've got to start
28:25
Speaker 2: with Jones, and even that we don't know because he
28:27
Speaker 2: hasn't signed yet. And then you got Riley Leonard, who
28:30
Speaker 2: came in in the second half of that Jacksonville game,
28:33
Speaker 2: played pretty well, got the start Week eighteen in Houston
28:37
Speaker 2: and played about a half against the Houston's starting defense
28:41
Speaker 2: and played pretty well all things considered. And then you've
28:45
Speaker 2: got Anthony Richardson. There's a lot of unknowns there. I mean,
28:48
Speaker 2: first of all, he's only started fifteen games. He's got
28:51
Speaker 2: the eye injury. On top of all the other injuries
28:54
Speaker 2: that he's experienced in the first two plus years in
28:56
Speaker 2: the NFL, he's been benched. So I think the biggest
28:59
Speaker 2: thing is, you know, we're gonna hear from Shane Stike
29:01
Speaker 2: and Chris Ballard later on today as we sit here
29:03
Speaker 2: and talk now, hopefully we'll get more clarity on where
29:06
Speaker 2: he's at from this eye injury thing that Fleuke pregame
29:10
Speaker 2: warm up injury that he had in Week six before
29:12
Speaker 2: a home game against the Cardinals. Where is he at
29:15
Speaker 2: from that? And the Colts also have a decision to
29:18
Speaker 2: make on his fifth year option by May first. That's
29:21
Speaker 2: a big component in this as well. But yeah, I
29:24
Speaker 2: mean to say there's uncertainty surrounding a top five pick
29:27
Speaker 2: is an understatement considering all the success they had last
29:31
Speaker 2: year with Daniel Jones as the starting quarterback, when he
29:34
Speaker 2: beat out Anthony Richardson, when they had that true open
29:38
Speaker 2: competition at quarterback.
29:39
Speaker 1: Matt Taylor with his voice of the Colts, how much
29:41
Speaker 1: shelf life is left in the offensive line in the
29:44
Speaker 1: running game for Indy.
29:46
Speaker 2: I think a lot, you know, I mean, they got
29:48
Speaker 2: a big decision to make at right tackle with Braydon Smith.
29:51
Speaker 2: He's a free agent. He's been a mainstay at that
29:54
Speaker 2: spot since twenty eighteen, started over one hundred games. But
29:58
Speaker 2: you know, as you know, JP, you got a tough
30:00
Speaker 2: calls and you sometimes you just got to move on
30:03
Speaker 2: from good players because you know, the math doesn't line up,
30:06
Speaker 2: so when you could, you could potentially be looking at
30:09
Speaker 2: having to pay your starting quarterback next year depending on
30:12
Speaker 2: how this goes with Daniel Jones over forty million dollars,
30:15
Speaker 2: and then Alec Pierce is a free agent as well,
30:17
Speaker 2: So it's not hyperbole to say that the Colts have
30:20
Speaker 2: maybe two of the biggest free agents going into this
30:24
Speaker 2: offseason period on the same team. You know, maybe the
30:26
Speaker 2: best free agent quarterback and maybe the best free agent
30:29
Speaker 2: wide receiver. So I don't know if you can afford
30:32
Speaker 2: to pay your quarterback forty plus million dollars and have
30:35
Speaker 2: two receivers making twenty plus million dollars when you factor
30:38
Speaker 2: in Michael Pittman Junior in there as well. But I
30:41
Speaker 2: think the offensive line's got a lot of good life
30:44
Speaker 2: in it. I think Jonathan Taylor still does too, And
30:47
Speaker 2: that's the frustrating thing about Jonathan Taylor last year is
30:50
Speaker 2: he had another other worldly statistical type season over fifteen
30:54
Speaker 2: hundred yards, especially in the first ten games, and everybody
30:57
Speaker 2: was healthy on offense, but they didn't make the playoffs.
31:00
Speaker 2: So it just goes to show you that Taylor is special.
31:03
Speaker 2: But it can't be all about Taylor. It can't be
31:06
Speaker 2: all about the running game. In order for him to
31:08
Speaker 2: be really efficient and to hit those big home runs
31:11
Speaker 2: and rip off the long runs, he's got to have
31:13
Speaker 2: the passing game, which the Colts didn't have when Daniel
31:16
Speaker 2: Jones was compromised.
31:18
Speaker 1: Matt Taylor with us. Last couple questions here, and let's
31:21
Speaker 1: go to the defensive side. You mentioned the injuries. What's
31:23
Speaker 1: your greatest concern moving ahead about this Colts defense?
31:27
Speaker 2: It's the pass rush. You know, last offseason they really
31:29
Speaker 2: went big and addressing the secondary, especially in free agency.
31:33
Speaker 2: Cam Bind him to play safety, which Oarvarius War to
31:36
Speaker 2: play corner. War dealt with a lot of concussions. In fact,
31:40
Speaker 2: three of them throughout the season played a career low
31:42
Speaker 2: seven games. So it was a great bold move on
31:46
Speaker 2: paper to go out and execute that contract. And free
31:48
Speaker 2: agency just didn't pay off dividends. Same thing with Sauce Gardner.
31:52
Speaker 2: They didn't stop there at the trade deadline. Like I said,
31:55
Speaker 2: you bring in Sauce Gardner, a premium player playing a
31:57
Speaker 2: premium position that doesn't pay off big dividends because he
32:01
Speaker 2: comes up with a calf injury misses most of the
32:04
Speaker 2: back half of the season or at least, you know,
32:05
Speaker 2: most of the end of the season after he was
32:07
Speaker 2: traded for. But so long winded way of saying, I
32:11
Speaker 2: think stability wise, at least on paper, the secondary is
32:15
Speaker 2: in a good spot. We'll see, but they got to
32:17
Speaker 2: do something about the pass rush. They have to find
32:20
Speaker 2: more consistency. And God loved Forest Buckner. He's one of
32:23
Speaker 2: the best players at his position in the NFL. But
32:27
Speaker 2: you can't have your best pass rusher played defensive tackle
32:30
Speaker 2: like it just can't happen. And the Colts have three
32:33
Speaker 2: in house free agents at defensive end Quidty pay, Samson
32:36
Speaker 2: Aviacom and Taekwon Lewis. The reality there is those three
32:39
Speaker 2: guys last year combined for nine sacks. They just have
32:42
Speaker 2: to have more, and without a first round pick, I
32:45
Speaker 2: think the only viable way to do it to be
32:47
Speaker 2: impactful for next year is to go out and overspending
32:50
Speaker 2: free agency, so that you have to factor that into
32:53
Speaker 2: it too when you talk about Jones and Pearce and
32:55
Speaker 2: how you spend your money there. But I think you
32:58
Speaker 2: have to spend in free agency at defensive end while
33:01
Speaker 2: also trying to supplement that spot in the draft too.
33:04
Speaker 1: Both teams Colts Jaguars no first round picks. So what
33:07
Speaker 1: are we doing on Thursday of the draft? I don't know.
33:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, we go to beat ups meet halfway. I don't
33:12
Speaker 2: know what that is, maybe like Atlanta or Nashville or something,
33:15
Speaker 2: but yeah, I'm open, if you're if you're available.
33:18
Speaker 1: That's Matt Taylor, voice of the Indianapolis Colts, and a
33:22
Speaker 1: lot to get to their JP Shatterick Jeff Logaman back
33:25
Speaker 1: with your of course. That interview was recorded last Tuesday
33:29
Speaker 1: at the Combine at Radio Row in Indianapolis. There have
33:32
Speaker 1: been some changes since then. For the quarterback situation Daniel Jones,
33:36
Speaker 1: the Colts put the transition transition tag on it, so
33:41
Speaker 1: basically Colts had the first ride of refusal if they
33:44
Speaker 1: get a competing offer sheet. He could sign with an
33:47
Speaker 1: instry club, but that means the Colts can match it
33:49
Speaker 1: if he doesn't sign.
33:50
Speaker 3: A compensation if he if he's you know, so if
33:54
Speaker 3: he signs with another club and they choose not to match,
33:56
Speaker 3: there's no compensation.
33:57
Speaker 1: That's right, he'd be gone. But it gives him the
33:59
Speaker 1: first at a refusal and if he doesn't get a
34:02
Speaker 1: competing offer sheet, then he gets almost thirty eight million
34:05
Speaker 1: dollars next year from the Colts. Is the transition tang correct?
34:09
Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, which is significantly less than the franchise Taglet's
34:15
Speaker 3: you know, look and it'll be interest. I mean, that's
34:18
Speaker 3: a very interesting scenario to wash. I mean, you're you're
34:21
Speaker 3: talking about arguably the best quarterback in the league. Before
34:27
Speaker 3: he got those two injuries that affected his level of playing.
34:30
Speaker 1: He was so hot, I mean that first half of
34:32
Speaker 1: the season. Yeah, they were talking about him for MVP.
34:35
Speaker 3: Well and MVP conversation and how stupid did a lot
34:40
Speaker 3: of other teams in the National Football League look that
34:43
Speaker 3: didn't have quarterbacks and that or didn't get anybody, or
34:47
Speaker 3: they orchestrated a trade for a guy that was available
34:52
Speaker 3: on the street. And you know, I think he's a
34:57
Speaker 3: I think he's a player that if I'm quarter back Needdy,
35:00
Speaker 3: I am making a phone call. I would. I would
35:03
Speaker 3: make a phone call if I needed a quarterback for
35:05
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones. And there's no risk, right because if I
35:10
Speaker 3: sign him. Let's say I'm in Edmonton, I'm in the
35:15
Speaker 3: Edmonton ESK most football team. I go and I sign
35:19
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones. I don't I don't have to pay any price.
35:23
Speaker 3: It's it's just me trying to sign him, negotiating with him.
35:27
Speaker 3: There's no compensation. So the Colts, I don't know about
35:31
Speaker 3: this transition tag, you know, I mean, it's gonna be
35:34
Speaker 3: in's that's going to be a really interesting watch because
35:37
Speaker 3: the reality is, if you had asked this question ten
35:40
Speaker 3: years ago, a quarterback coming off an achilles huge question
35:44
Speaker 3: mark massive. Nowadays, it's fairly commonplace. And the one position
35:51
Speaker 3: that we know, okay, let's go back to Dan Reno
35:55
Speaker 3: that has been able to come back from an Achilles' tear.
35:57
Speaker 3: Could quarterback position has been like the one It used
36:00
Speaker 3: to be the only one that could do it. Now
36:02
Speaker 3: it's commonplace for athletes of all kinds to come back.
36:05
Speaker 1: A little different. Dan Marino didn't run anywhere, you know,
36:09
Speaker 1: he did not run at all. I mean, and then
36:11
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones does have some mobility about him in his stays.
36:15
Speaker 3: The cool thing is is I had a conversation with
36:18
Speaker 3: doctor Kevin Kaplan, who is the Jaguars orthopedic surgeon. It
36:22
Speaker 3: me and him had a conversation about this a few
36:24
Speaker 3: years back, and it was about the Achilles repair nowadays
36:28
Speaker 3: and how they had this tool jig that make sure
36:30
Speaker 3: that you get balanced flexibility amongst both ankles. That was
36:36
Speaker 3: always a problem from before about finding that sweet spot
36:40
Speaker 3: and the flexibility to have them equal. And they have
36:43
Speaker 3: this new jig device that they used to where they're
36:46
Speaker 3: not actually sowing the end of the terror, but kind
36:48
Speaker 3: of beyond that and then it naturally heals together. And
36:52
Speaker 3: he said that it's an amazing progress in science medical science,
36:57
Speaker 3: this technique to repair Achilles tendons, which is makeing them
37:00
Speaker 3: so much more successful. And uh, you know, it's if
37:04
Speaker 3: you're kind of a med nut, and I wish I
37:07
Speaker 3: was kind of curious about it, but it's very interesting
37:10
Speaker 3: and Daniel Jones, I expect him to make a full
37:13
Speaker 3: recovery and you're definitely not going to put your eggs
37:16
Speaker 3: into the Anthony Richardson basket.
37:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the other part of the conversation. That's changed
37:20
Speaker 1: as well since that conversation. They've told Anthony Richardson and
37:24
Speaker 1: his representative they could look for a trade if they need.
37:28
Speaker 3: That's that's Anthony Richardson tapping out because he needed to
37:30
Speaker 3: blow during.
37:31
Speaker 1: That was pretty wild.
37:34
Speaker 3: Bro, you're done. And then he broke an orbital bone
37:37
Speaker 3: from his snamping elastic elastic band before the game. Yeah, which,
37:41
Speaker 3: you know, I feel bad for him when it comes
37:43
Speaker 3: to that, but bro, you tapped out.
37:47
Speaker 1: I mean, he's good for a hamstring injury a season
37:50
Speaker 1: as well. That's usually how that goes.
37:51
Speaker 8: Well.
37:51
Speaker 3: He's a He's a great athlete, incredible, great athlete. There
37:54
Speaker 3: was never a debate about his level of athleticism. There
37:58
Speaker 3: was just a debate about his level of plays a
38:00
Speaker 3: quarterback position and the inexperience that he had coming out
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Speaker 3: of UF. Now, look, you know, I mean there are
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Speaker 3: some guys that develop, but I mean, just so I
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Speaker 3: was shocked that the Colts used that high of a pack.
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Speaker 3: I would have never have done it just because there's
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Speaker 3: just not You got to have a little bit of
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Speaker 3: history of success playing that position. You can't just be
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Speaker 3: a great athlete and then go oh yeah, wow, he
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Speaker 3: can throw the ball this far and he runs this
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Speaker 3: forty times.
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Speaker 1: Man, look at him. Look at that physique.
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Speaker 3: The eye test tells me he's gonna be good. No,
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Speaker 3: trust me, trust your eyes. See the level of play.
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Speaker 3: And that really wasn't there for Anthony Richardson.
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Speaker 1: Thanks to Matt Taylor, voice of the Indianapolis Colts next week,
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Speaker 1: Taylor's ours are a voice of the Tennessee Titans. We'll
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Speaker 1: get there. The thoughts on what's going on in Nashville
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Speaker 1: with a lot of change, a lot of rivalry coming
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Speaker 1: there in Music City. Yeah, a lot of rival added
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Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, and there will be a football game too.
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Speaker 3: We'll be won't It won't be dull weeks two times
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Speaker 3: next year.
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Speaker 1: It'll sure. We'll here from Taylor next week. Yeah, we're
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Speaker 1: back in a moment. Microsoft Coat Pilot will help us
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Speaker 1: with appending Jaguars free agent Back in a moment on
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Speaker 1: It's Jaguars Happy Hour, Welcome back. It is Jaguars Happy Hour,
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Speaker 1: JP Shadrick Jeff Logman from the Hyundai studios at the
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Speaker 1: Miller Electric Center ten ten XLAM, Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube.
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Speaker 1: Glad you're with us on this Thursday afternoon, inside a
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Speaker 1: week until free agency. In time now to get Microsoft
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Speaker 1: coat pilot to help us with a possible Jags free
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Speaker 1: agent question today. What were Travis Etn's junior's stats in
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five? Well, the answer is lengthy. Today is
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Speaker 1: a twenty twenty five NFL s season was one of
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Speaker 1: his most productive, with strong contributions both as a runner
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Speaker 1: and receiver for the Jaguars. He finished twenty twenty five
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Speaker 1: regular season with two hundred and sixty carries eleven hundred
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Speaker 1: and seven yards, seven rushing touchdowns, along with thirty six
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Speaker 1: receptions for two hundred and ninety two yards and six
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Speaker 1: receiving touchdowns. Check out Microsoft co Pilot open the Pod
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Speaker 1: Bay doors.
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Speaker 3: Out pretty interesting in that I pulled up the NFL
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Speaker 3: free agent rankings and everybody's got a site, Right's got one?
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Speaker 3: You know, everybody's got their own personal ones.
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Speaker 1: John Oser has a free agent tracker, Okay, Jaguars dot com,
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Speaker 1: so PFF Pro Football Focus actually has their own as well,
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Speaker 1: and so I was just kind of checking it out
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Speaker 1: just out of curiosity and just here's a couple free
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Speaker 1: agents and what their rankings are players of note. I'll
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Speaker 1: give you the top five and then some other players
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Speaker 1: of note.
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Speaker 3: Top number one they have is Trey Hendrickson.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty good player, really good player, thirty one years old.
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Speaker 3: Though that's okay, he's uh, I think those players, I
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Speaker 3: think if you look at him, he's a relatively low
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Speaker 3: knowledge player. Number two is George Pickens, who has the
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Speaker 3: franchise here. Yeah, and so he's not going to be available.
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Speaker 3: Number three is Tyler Linderbaum, the center for the Ravens.
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Speaker 3: Excellent player. Number two, rated center by most people in
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Speaker 3: the National Football League. Number four Devin Lloyd okay, Jacksonville Jaguars, Yeah, okay.
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Speaker 3: Number five is Jamel Dean Corner Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Good
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Speaker 3: football player. Some other players of note. The Jaguars running
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Speaker 3: back Travis etn is at number fifteen.
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Speaker 1: It's pretty good, okay.
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Speaker 3: One other player of note, I mean running back above him,
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Speaker 3: because Breeze Hall is the only one above him. The
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Speaker 3: one that was really interesting and this is obviously Jaguars related,
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Speaker 3: because as I was scrolling through, you get down to
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Speaker 3: twenty five Juwan Jennings, twenty six Rashid Shaheed, who had
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Speaker 3: an excellent year finishing up with the Seahawks. They traded
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Speaker 3: for m Joey Bosa at twenty seven, Aaron Rodgers at
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Speaker 3: twenty eight, and coming in at number twenty nine. Going
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Speaker 3: into year nineteen, Kaleias came in.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 3: How about that? Wow he's still ranked HI. And here's
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Speaker 3: what they say about.
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Speaker 8: This.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is crazy, right. It says this about
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Speaker 3: kaleis Okay. Last year he had six hundred and sixty
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Speaker 3: seven snaps. His PFF grade was seventy two point two,
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Speaker 3: which is a high quality starting starter rating. It says
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Speaker 3: retirement seems to be afraid of Camp, who is yet
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Speaker 3: to show signs of slowing down. Through eighteen NFL seasons,
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Speaker 3: He's logged thirty plus quarterback pressures in all but two
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Speaker 3: of those years, and his seventy two point two PFF
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Speaker 3: overall grade in twenty twenty five made it fifty straight
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Speaker 3: years of topping seventy point zero rating. Pretty impressive.
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Speaker 1: He's not going to hang it up, is he?
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Speaker 4: He might?
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Speaker 3: He's gonna play here. He's gonna play Oh, I absolutely
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Speaker 3: could play here. I mean, look, this team needs pass
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Speaker 3: rushers and interior pass rushers. You know, somebody maybe put
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Speaker 3: alongside Eric Armstead.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine him finishing his career here in Jackson?
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Speaker 3: Would love it also? I mean, look or three years.
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Speaker 3: But Bay he earned so much respect and so much
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Speaker 3: love here for a lot of reasons. Number one, his
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Speaker 3: level of play, number two, the quality of person that
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Speaker 3: he was, and how gracious he was to all the
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Speaker 3: fan base in the community while he was here. And
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Speaker 3: let's not forget the mentoring job that he did with
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Speaker 3: Josh Heinz Allen. Absolutely, I mean, there's a lot of
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Speaker 3: reasons to love Kalays Campbell, and a return here absolutely
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Speaker 3: would work. So I lived near the San Marco Why
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Speaker 3: should by the way, why should he go out with
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Speaker 3: a loser?
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Speaker 1: Right? Come on, come on back, you know, come on,
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Speaker 1: this team's back on the up now. So I live
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Speaker 1: near San Marco, and there was not a better sight
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Speaker 1: than seeing him and his wife walk around San Marco
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Speaker 1: Square like fans come up to them but kind of
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Speaker 1: give him their space. But he just loved this town.
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Speaker 1: He loved being in this area and out he can't hide, no,
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Speaker 1: he sticks out.
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Speaker 3: Ten pounds. Yeah, the only guy, well, one of the
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Speaker 3: few guys that I was ever around where I just
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Speaker 3: I literally felt small standing next to him, and I
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Speaker 3: felt like I wanted to get up on my tippy
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Speaker 3: toes a little bit when I was around him. You know,
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Speaker 3: there's not many guys that I do that with.
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Speaker 1: Imagine trying to block him, you know what I mean,
44:43
Speaker 1: like because because of that link and how he uses
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Speaker 1: it and the angles he can put on an offensive lineman.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's I will say this, he's he's on
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Speaker 3: the ground a lot more than he used to be,
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Speaker 3: aren't we all?
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Speaker 1: And and you know, look, he.
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Speaker 3: Does have the signs of aging. He's not an ageless wonder.
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Speaker 3: Even though he's in your nineteen coming up. If you play,
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Speaker 3: he's still blocking kicks, He's still play, he still can play,
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Speaker 3: and uh, look what's that song? I'm not as good
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Speaker 3: as I once was. We're all in that same category.
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Speaker 3: I mean, unless you're like twenty one, then you're gonna
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Speaker 3: get better. But you know, if you're in the year
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Speaker 3: where he is, and or I mean you are, we
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Speaker 3: can say though that we're not as good as I once.
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Speaker 1: Was, but as good once as I ever was. So
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Speaker 1: get him out there a few snaps, right, You don't
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Speaker 1: need him every six hundred snaps.
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Speaker 3: And repressive thing is that, you know, when he went
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Speaker 3: to Baltimore, that was kind of the expectations though he
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Speaker 3: would cut back.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it just didn't happen, right, because that's why
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Speaker 1: they traded him. It's like, oh, he's kind of on
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Speaker 1: the back end. They were thinking that here, and there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of money for a guy in the back end.
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Speaker 1: Hold the fun.
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Speaker 3: He's still right there, not in the back end. A
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Speaker 3: couple of years ago, it wasn't on the back end,
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Speaker 3: but his level of play was still on its plateau.
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Speaker 1: I could tell Kalay his stories all day, but the
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Speaker 1: one a couple of years ago, week won Miami. Two
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Speaker 1: hours before the game, he's in handcuffs with Tyreek Hill
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Speaker 1: outside and then the first two plays of the game
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Speaker 1: a sack and a tackle for loss.
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Speaker 3: Kalis, Yeah, he's He's a heck of a football player
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Speaker 3: and a heck of a human being and unreal. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: I wish him the best whatever whatever he chooses to do.
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Speaker 3: He has earned a few.
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Speaker 1: Minutes left in the program here. And what's coming up
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Speaker 1: the new league year? March eleventh, four pm the start
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Speaker 1: a free agency. There's the two day negotiation window. Before that,
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Speaker 1: the legal tampering period will be busy as always, and
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Speaker 1: then you'll likely see some agreed to terms slash contracts
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Speaker 1: being signed right after that four o'clock start. We'll see
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Speaker 1: what the Jaguars have in mind. I mean, they'll they'll
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Speaker 1: have to do some business. Then I'll have to do
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Speaker 1: it right away. But this doesn't feel like Logs. This
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Speaker 1: is going to be the big wave of last year.
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Speaker 1: They had what eight guys pretty early. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if it'll be that, and.
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Speaker 3: I think it still could be that wave early, but
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Speaker 3: not you know, we get so accustomed to thinking that
47:06
Speaker 3: the first wave is the expensive wave.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't have to be that. That wasn't that
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Speaker 1: last year. This just happened.
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Speaker 3: So I think we could see this team be very
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Speaker 3: active at the beginning because they know who they want,
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Speaker 3: but it's not necessarily maybe competing for the big number.
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Speaker 3: I mean, look, if you like a guy, you don't
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Speaker 3: have to sit there and go, well, you know what,
47:28
Speaker 3: we got to wait until tier two of free agency hits,
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Speaker 3: because then that's when the money is a little bit less.
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Speaker 3: You can go after those guys right away. Anyway, you
47:36
Speaker 3: target guys, and I think that's the one thing that
47:38
Speaker 3: they did a really good job of last year. They
47:41
Speaker 3: had a target list and they went right at it.
47:45
Speaker 3: They didn't waste any time. They got who they wanted to.
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Speaker 3: I don't think that there was one person on their
47:51
Speaker 3: list that they did not get, And I think part
47:53
Speaker 3: of the reason for that was that they didn't wait
47:56
Speaker 3: until the big money guys kind of finished to go
47:59
Speaker 3: out after maybe some of the lesser money guys. They
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Speaker 3: went after the lesser money guys as soon as they
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Speaker 3: did maybe the little bit more money guys were being
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Speaker 3: sought after.
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Speaker 1: So I like the philosophy. We'll look forward to that
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Speaker 1: next week. We'll have full coverage of that on this
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Speaker 1: program next Thursday, because we'll be right in the thick
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Speaker 1: of it a day into the new league year and
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Speaker 1: see if the Jaguars have made any deals by that
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Speaker 1: time frame. Of course, Wednesday four o'clock. As we said,
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Speaker 1: the start of free agency will be on a Thursday
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Speaker 1: at four o'clock, so twenty four hours after the new
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Speaker 1: league year begins. And then of course at the end
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Speaker 1: of March, the NFL annual meeting will have the official
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Speaker 1: ownership vote, most likely on the Jags plans for home
48:42
Speaker 1: games for twenty twenty. Big deal, right, that's a big deal. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's a big deal. So I'm looking forward to that.
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Speaker 3: By the way, I was just looking another name on
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Speaker 3: this list as a guy that's up there, long tooth.
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Speaker 3: Bobby Wagner. Oh wow, been around forever at number forty
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Speaker 3: seven available for me of the man.
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Speaker 1: Ye did he win that year?
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Speaker 3: I think he did.
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Speaker 1: He is.
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Speaker 3: Uh, he's another one of those guys. And I think
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Speaker 3: impressive too because he actually handles the negotiation of his
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Speaker 3: contract himself, which is impressive.
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Speaker 1: He did win the Walter Payton Man of the Others.
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Speaker 3: Year and uh and uh. His his level of success
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Speaker 3: is very similar to Kalais. Bobby Wagner might be the
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Speaker 3: most surest tackling linebacker maybe to ever grace the professional
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Speaker 3: football field. Ever, he's right up there. Wow, he he had.
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Speaker 3: He had I think the least amount of mistackles for
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Speaker 3: well over a decade of any other linebacker defender in
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Speaker 3: the National Football League. And for years Seattle thought he
49:47
Speaker 3: was done. The Rams are like, hey, come on over here,
49:50
Speaker 3: and then the Rams let him go, and then now
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Speaker 3: he's in Washington still playing.
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Speaker 1: Well. Well, I have a good one. We'll see you
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Speaker 1: next week. We'll see in a couple of weeks, couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks, Jeff Logman, I'm j P. Shadwick. Thanks to
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