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Ashy Bines' Former Best Friends Unite & The Postpartum Body Check · Outspoken the Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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Speaker 1: Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show. Sarah's Day
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Speaker 1: has divided the internet after sharing a series of gym
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Speaker 1: selfies just five weeks after giving birth. Roxy Jasenko returns
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Speaker 1: from retirement and our highs and lows of the week.
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Speaker 1: But first, Ashley Bynes' three former best friends walked into
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Speaker 1: a bar. It sounds like a knock-knock joke, but it
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Speaker 1: actually happened on the weekend with Ashy the Punchline. It's
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Speaker 1: the latest revelation in Ashy's friendship breakdown with Kiara Dorough.
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Speaker 1: Before we get into it, Amy, can you give listeners
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Speaker 1: a refresher on what's gone down? Yeah, so the pair
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Speaker 1: hosted the Grow and Glow podcast together for two years,
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Speaker 1: and they were set to release a new product. However,
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Speaker 1: on the day of the launch, they revealed that something
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Speaker 1: suddenly came up and the product was delayed. Then came
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Speaker 1: the big unfollowing and the announcement in their podcast Facebook
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Speaker 1: group that Kiara had decided to leave the show to
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Speaker 1: focus supposedly on her family. The pair even shared an
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Speaker 1: explanation on their podcast. And while the stories appeared to
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Speaker 1: match up there, it was a different story on social media. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because Kiara started making digs on her Instagram story. So
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Speaker 1: She was referring that there was much more to this story.
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Speaker 1: She said, I can't say much because I'm already losing
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Speaker 1: so much and don't want to lose anymore. But thank you.
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Speaker 1: And you are all so clever with a winking emoji.
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Speaker 1: She then went on to post a bunch of cryptic
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Speaker 1: quotes that threw shade at Ashi with one referring to
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Speaker 1: a narcissist. You know, shit's going down when the cryptic
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Speaker 1: quotes start coming out. It's a very millennial thing to do.
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Speaker 1: I remember doing this back in 2014. I haven't done
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Speaker 1: it for a while now. Ashi then went into damage
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Speaker 1: control on her podcast Facebook page, saying that she was
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Speaker 1: shocked by Kiara's behavior. And followers speculated that Kiara had
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Speaker 1: allegedly been hit with a gag order, as Ashi has
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Speaker 1: a reputation for allegedly sending cease and desist letters. Now,
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Speaker 1: while Kiara may be allegedly restricted in what she can
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Speaker 1: say publicly, it hasn't stopped her from giving her followers signs.
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Speaker 1: So on the weekend, Kiara posted a pretty innocuous photo
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Speaker 1: of three wine glassers and a menu at a restaurant
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Speaker 1: called Siblings. She didn't tag the diners, but she didn't
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Speaker 1: have to as they also posted near identical photos on
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Speaker 1: their own Instagram stories. So Kiara was having dinner with
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Speaker 1: none other than Ashy Bynes' former best friends, Sammy Leo
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Speaker 1: and Gretty Rose. I bet they had a lot to
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Speaker 1: catch up on and notes to compare. I would have
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Speaker 1: loved to be a fly on the wall at that
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Speaker 1: drink session. It is just such a fuck you to
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Speaker 1: organize a get together like that. I actually quite like it. Well, Ashy,
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Speaker 1: Sammy and Gretty, they all used to be best friends
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Speaker 1: until suddenly they weren't. And followers have always wondered what
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Speaker 1: happened between the women. We often get DMs asking, can
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Speaker 1: you guys please do a deep dive into this friendship breakdown?
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Speaker 1: There's so many people who are intrigued by it. And
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Speaker 1: that is why this is such a big power play
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Speaker 1: from Kiara. I would love to know who reached out
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Speaker 1: to who first. It reminds me of when you break
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Speaker 1: up with someone and you have this desire to reach
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Speaker 1: out to their exes to compare notes and see if
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Speaker 1: they did the same weird things. It's called trauma bonding, Sophie.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if Nat Rowland is a little bit dirty
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Speaker 1: that she was left off the invite list because She
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Speaker 1: is another one of Ashley Bynes' former best friends, and
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Speaker 1: she recently confirmed that they are no longer friends and
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Speaker 1: haven't been for a long time. You'd be absolutely spewing.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure she probably hit them up in their DMs
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Speaker 1: and was like, can we catch up next week? Let's
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Speaker 1: do the same sort of social media stories. Well, Ashley
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Speaker 1: has retaliated by sharing a photo on Monday of her
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Speaker 1: hanging out with her school friends over the weekend. She
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Speaker 1: captioned the photo, doesn't matter what I go through since
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Speaker 1: our teenage days, they are there through it all. Never
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Speaker 1: once do they ask or expect anything of me. So
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Speaker 1: forever grateful. What's the bet that these friends haven't heard
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Speaker 1: from her in months and then suddenly it's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: we've got the call up to come hang out with her.
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Speaker 1: What I take from the caption is she's implying her
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Speaker 1: former best friends were taking a lot from her and
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Speaker 1: expecting the world. I wonder what all their partners think
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Speaker 1: about this because I know if I was behaving this
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Speaker 1: way online, my husband would be like, Get off your
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Speaker 1: phone and fucking grow up. See, I think Kiara's husband
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Speaker 1: is probably very supportive of it. Reading between the lines,
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Speaker 1: it sounds like he's just as mad at Ashley as
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Speaker 1: she is. But don't you think there's a time when
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Speaker 1: you just need to jump off socials when it's becoming
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Speaker 1: a bit disruptive? I actually love this because they haven't
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Speaker 1: come out and slammed Ashley Bynes. They haven't said anything.
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Speaker 1: All they've done is posted a photo. But it's not
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Speaker 1: just the photo because they've actually all caught up. So
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Speaker 1: what else have they got in the works? Yeah, but
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Speaker 1: it actually sends the message that they want to say
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Speaker 1: more but can't, so they have to go have a catch-up.
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Speaker 2: We need to be quick because we're on a baby
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Speaker 2: time limit.
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Speaker 1: Self-proclaimed holistic health princess Sarah's Day has divided the internet
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Speaker 1: after sharing a series of gym selfies five weeks after
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Speaker 1: giving birth to her third son, Harlow. Many women on
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Speaker 1: their own postpartum journeys labelled the post as damaging. and
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Speaker 1: took offense to Sarah using it as an opportunity to
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Speaker 1: spruik her pregnancy fitness ebook, whilst others didn't see a
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Speaker 1: problem with Sarah sharing about her own experience. Now, Sophie,
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Speaker 1: it's been a tough couple of weeks for Sarah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: she's been very vocal about how difficult she has found
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Speaker 1: this newborn experience because her son, Harlow, he has been
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Speaker 1: suffering from some very severe reflux issues, and it's meant
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Speaker 1: that Sarah has been in the trenches. She's been getting
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Speaker 1: very little sleep. She's been cluster feeding. Last week, she
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Speaker 1: said she was going to take some time offline because
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Speaker 1: she explained she had been struggling with her mental health
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Speaker 1: and admitted that she had no energy to speak to
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Speaker 1: her community. It's interesting because she only ended up being
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Speaker 1: offline for around 24 hours before she started posting all
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Speaker 1: these body checks of herself. I think she probably would
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Speaker 1: have benefited from taking that time offline because it's quite
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Speaker 1: clear that she's putting a lot of pressure on herself
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Speaker 1: to solve her son's reflux issues. She's been talking about
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Speaker 1: how she's been cutting out all these different food groups
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Speaker 1: because she thinks it's contributing to these issues. She's also
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Speaker 1: been speaking to a ton of naturopaths and trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out what is going on. Most recently, she took
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Speaker 1: Harlow to see an osteo to see if maybe the
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Speaker 1: issue was being caused by a lip tie. And as always,
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Speaker 1: she's been very open about discussing her son's potential medical concerns,
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Speaker 1: which some people find really relatable. I know there's been
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Speaker 1: a lot of followers who have said that They've enjoyed
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Speaker 1: seeing a realistic experience with a newborn and not someone
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Speaker 1: glamorizing it. But on the other side of it, she
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Speaker 1: did promise not to talk about her children's medical conditions
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Speaker 1: after there was a lot of issues and a lot
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Speaker 1: of publicity around her second son Malachi's health concerns. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and I found it weird because last night she posted
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Speaker 1: a poll. asking for her followers to vote whether she
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Speaker 1: should get medical treatment on Harlow's lip tie. And I
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Speaker 1: was like, surely this is something you need to talk
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Speaker 1: to your doctor about. Not just a yes, no poll.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I personally think it should remain private. I
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Speaker 1: don't think that these things should be aired online, but
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Speaker 1: others have different opinions. Now for Sarah, she has been
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Speaker 1: raring to get back into the gym. She is currently
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Speaker 1: five weeks postpartum and said that she wanted to ease
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Speaker 1: back into things with the Pilates class. That's when alarm
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Speaker 1: bells started ringing for me because normally you're advised to
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Speaker 1: wait at least six weeks and have to get approval
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Speaker 1: from your doctor to exercise. Now in Sarah's case, she
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Speaker 1: did mention that her pelvic floor physio, Charlotte Connellan, had
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Speaker 1: given her the all clear. However, Charlotte is a business
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Speaker 1: partner and she's also engaged in cahoots with Sarah at
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Speaker 1: the moment because they have created this pregnancy workout guide
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Speaker 1: together called Body and Bump, which is what Sarah has
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Speaker 1: been spruiking. So it seems a little bit unethical that
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Speaker 1: it was Charlotte that gave her the all clear. It
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Speaker 1: does make it murky. I can see why Sarah wants
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Speaker 1: to return to the gym, particularly if her mental health
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Speaker 1: is struggling at the moment. Her whole identity is centered
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Speaker 1: around exercise and it's clearly an activity that makes her
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Speaker 1: happy and gets her endorphins going. And in her Instagram story,
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Speaker 1: she wrote, I could cry. I'm so excited to be
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Speaker 1: back in one, a hot Pilates class, two, a workout
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Speaker 1: class in general. I will go into more detail about this,
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Speaker 1: but moving my body does so much for my mental
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Speaker 1: health and emotional regulation, and three, my positive headspace. It
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Speaker 1: really didn't surprise me to see Sarah back in the
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Speaker 1: gym so early, but what did seem to generate a
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Speaker 1: huge reaction online? was how Sarah looked in her gym selfies.
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Speaker 1: Before we dive into how she looked, I want to
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Speaker 1: preface here that this is such a sensitive topic. And
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Speaker 1: I don't think that any postpartum woman's body should be shamed,
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Speaker 1: whether they've gained weight or they've gone back quickly to
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Speaker 1: their pre-pregnancy weight, because everyone's bodies at the end of
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Speaker 1: the day are so different. And there are a lot
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Speaker 1: of women like Sarah who, due to genetics or the
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Speaker 1: fact that they stayed very active during their pregnancy, returned
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Speaker 1: very quickly to their pre-pregnancy body. So I don't want
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Speaker 1: anyone to think that we are saying that there is
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Speaker 1: a right way to be after you give birth and
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Speaker 1: a wrong way. But I don't think anyone was shaming
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Speaker 1: her body. I think people were saying, she looks incredible.
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Speaker 1: She looks like she hasn't had a baby. And that
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Speaker 1: is really difficult. I mean, I'm six months postpartum and
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Speaker 1: I personally found it really difficult to look at. And
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Speaker 1: I saw a lot of conversation in our Facebook group. Oh,
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Speaker 1: people are just jealous. Well, yeah, of course I would
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Speaker 1: like to look like I'd been hitting the gym. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But when I say shaming, what I mean about it
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Speaker 1: is I have spoken to other moms who they have
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Speaker 1: very much gone quickly back to what they used to
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Speaker 1: look like. And they haven't actually done anything. They've just
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Speaker 1: been genetically blessed. And they said that they almost feel
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Speaker 1: like everyone is making these assertions on them. That they're
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Speaker 1: not eating or that they're just flogging themselves at the gym.
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Speaker 1: They're not putting their child first. But she's literally back
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Speaker 1: at the gym five weeks after having a baby. So
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Speaker 1: I think it's kind of, she is playing into that
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Speaker 1: narrative that she is working out a lot. But that's
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Speaker 1: her first time working out and she looks like that.
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Speaker 1: But there's also a difference between having to share it
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Speaker 1: all online and shove it down people's throats. Yes, the
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Speaker 1: body checks. Because in this video that Sarah put up,
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Speaker 1: she's wearing light grey bike shorts and a white crop top.
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Speaker 1: Her abs are very prominent in her photo. She's got
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Speaker 1: her stomach is like completely flat. And she was also
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Speaker 1: posing in specific ways that showed off her body to
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Speaker 1: look thin. Among all of the photos, which many people
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Speaker 1: are referring to as body checks, She had to point
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Speaker 1: out that she was only five weeks postpartum and wrote,
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Speaker 1: my previous two postpartum experiences, I've gone back to workouts
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Speaker 1: at seven and eight-ish weeks postpartum. But this birth was
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Speaker 1: so different with no tearing, easy pushing, and I felt
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Speaker 1: physically great. Now, following her visit to the gym, she
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Speaker 1: was inundated. with questions about how she managed to actually
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Speaker 1: make it to the gym without Harlow. Sarah ended up
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Speaker 1: jumping on her stories and explained that everything fell into
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Speaker 1: place that morning. Here's what she said.
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Speaker 2: So the only way I can go anywhere without him
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Speaker 2: is if I feed just before I leave. But because
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Speaker 2: he's not on a schedule at all, like he is
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Speaker 2: five weeks postpartum and I just feed on demand. Like
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Speaker 2: sometimes that's every two hours. Sometimes that's like a cluster
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Speaker 2: feed at like witching hour and he's on my boob
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Speaker 2: the whole time. Or sometimes it's like three hours or
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Speaker 2: three and a half hours. I have no idea. And
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Speaker 2: it just so happened that he fed at like 6.30
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Speaker 2: this morning. Like he just wanted a feed. And then
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Speaker 2: so I could feed him at 9.00. put them on
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Speaker 2: my boob, drained it. And then I rode my bike
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Speaker 2: up to Pilates and I just made it. Like I
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Speaker 2: like got in the.
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Speaker 1: Class and it had started. She then prefaced after this
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Speaker 1: that she's not actually back at the gym training, but
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Speaker 1: today was about her mental health and getting 45 minutes
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Speaker 1: to an hour to herself. It's quite clear people were
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Speaker 1: quite shocked by Sarah's appearance because she had to return
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Speaker 1: to her stories again to provide a further update on
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Speaker 1: what her body looks like at the moment. So she
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Speaker 1: shared a video of This time of her shorts rolled
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Speaker 1: down so you could see her belly from two different angles,
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Speaker 1: front on and to the side. And in the corner,
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Speaker 1: she added a before image of her seven weeks pregnant
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Speaker 1: at one of her activewear collection shoots where she looked
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Speaker 1: absolutely ripped. And in the caption, she wrote, I was
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Speaker 1: seven weeks preggy here, so not showing, but I was
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Speaker 1: at one of my fittest before this pregnancy. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for everyone's lovely messages, but a few things. One, I
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Speaker 1: promise you, I still have a long way to go.
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Speaker 1: to regain my core and ab definition. That is not
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Speaker 1: my goal or not even in my mind at the moment.
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Speaker 1: It's strange that she says it's not a goal or
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Speaker 1: in her mind at the moment, but she's going ahead
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Speaker 1: and sharing all of these body checks. It's interesting that
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Speaker 1: she pointed out that she's not where she wants to
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Speaker 1: be in a fitness journey and she's still got a
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Speaker 1: long way to go. And I think that's because she
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Speaker 1: wants people to buy into the pregnancy fitness plan and
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Speaker 1: see that there is a transformation. She doesn't want people
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Speaker 1: to think that she's genetically blessed and just, you know,
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Speaker 1: she's clicked her fingers and gone back to what she was.
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Speaker 1: That's the issue. The messaging is so off in all
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Speaker 1: of this because she then continued in her post saying, two,
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Speaker 1: I did my body and bump workout program until the
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Speaker 1: end of my pregnancy. And then in brackets, my most
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Speaker 1: consistent workout routine in pregnancy yet. So she's just continuing
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Speaker 1: to flog the ebook. Then she said, and three, I
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Speaker 1: have lost so much of my strength and tone, but
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Speaker 1: that's okay. Being my third postpartum experience and even just
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Speaker 1: being 32 and more mature. I'm in no rush to
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Speaker 1: get my abs back or look a certain way. I'm
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Speaker 1: just so happy to be feeling like myself slowly again
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Speaker 1: and loving my body that has created three beautiful babies. Again,
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Speaker 1: there is just so much mixed messaging going on because, okay,
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Speaker 1: you can go to the gym for your mental health.
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Speaker 1: Why are you sharing it online? Why are you body
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Speaker 1: checking online? Do you realize that you're actually affecting the
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Speaker 1: mental health of postpartum women? I also think it's quite
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Speaker 1: easy to say that you love your body and you're
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Speaker 1: super grateful for it when you look near identical to
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Speaker 1: how you looked before falling pregnant. Well, the thing is,
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Speaker 1: she doesn't look near identical. She was extremely ripped before. Well,
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Speaker 1: then a standard size six or eight. Yeah, exactly. But
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Speaker 1: she still looks like a very thin person that just
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Speaker 1: might not have the ab definition and the muscle tone
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Speaker 1: that she once had. okay, that's going to be a
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Speaker 1: big change for her. But what really annoyed me because
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Speaker 1: there was a big conversation in our Facebook group about
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Speaker 1: it and people were like, oh, you're just jealous about
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Speaker 1: her body and good for her, it's for her mental health, blah, blah, blah. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that is completely fine. Sarah can go and do whatever
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Speaker 1: she wants in her own time. That is her own prerogative.
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Speaker 1: But when you are trying to prey on vulnerable women
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Speaker 1: to buy your postpartum ebook, that is the issue. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's the thing. Following these series of videos, She then
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Speaker 1: shared links to the Black Friday special that she was
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Speaker 1: running for this pregnancy ebook. And that is what made
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Speaker 1: me feel the most uncomfortable. I mean, from a business perspective,
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Speaker 1: it's the perfect time to mention it because we've already
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Speaker 1: made all these postpartum women feel insecure and like they're
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Speaker 1: not doing enough. So of course, they're going to think, well, fuck,
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Speaker 1: if I want to look like her, I better go
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Speaker 1: and spend $ 100 on this ebook. And what makes it
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Speaker 1: more apparent that it is just a push to sell
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Speaker 1: this ebook is it is not in line with what
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Speaker 1: she's currently been sharing. So last week she said, I'm
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Speaker 1: going on a hiatus. I do not have the energy
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Speaker 1: or time to focus on even putting content out there. However,
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Speaker 1: a couple of days later in the lead up to
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Speaker 1: Black Friday, she's at the gym. She's found time to
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Speaker 1: start flogging her ebook. It doesn't line up because she
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Speaker 1: is actually having a really difficult time. She clearly is
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Speaker 1: struggling with her mental health. And I think that is
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Speaker 1: why a lot of people are trying to see the
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Speaker 1: best and say, well, I think she's doing it for
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Speaker 1: her mental health, but When you really do look at
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Speaker 1: the strategy around trying to push this book in the
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Speaker 1: Black Friday sales, I also think that we need to
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Speaker 1: remember that this is very concerning and potentially damaging behavior
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Speaker 1: because these types of promotions are almost shaming postpartum women
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Speaker 1: into not feeling enough and then encouraging them to rush
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Speaker 1: back into exercise when their bodies have not properly healed yet.
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Speaker 1: But the reality is she may be doing it for
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Speaker 1: her mental health. cool, share that you're at the gym
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Speaker 1: but don't post the fucking body checks the whole time.
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Speaker 1: It just makes people feel like shit. But see, I
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Speaker 1: think posting the fact that she is at the gym
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Speaker 1: five weeks postpartum is damaging because her job is to
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Speaker 1: influence people and there'd be a lot of women that
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Speaker 1: have just had a baby and are like, shit, I
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Speaker 1: haven't even thought of going to the gym. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm six months postpartum. I used to exercise regularly before
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Speaker 1: I was pregnant. I have not done one workout. And
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Speaker 1: when I saw that, I was like, shit, am I
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Speaker 1: just being lazy? I mean, I am struggling to work,
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Speaker 1: look after my baby, run a house, like have a
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Speaker 1: social life. And then I'm thinking, oh shit, maybe I
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Speaker 1: should be exercising as well. This post definitely did elicit
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Speaker 1: a huge response from our Facebook community. And I have
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Speaker 1: to say the comments were pretty divided. There were a
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Speaker 1: lot of women who like UK to going through their
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Speaker 1: postpartum journeys and And they commented saying that they found
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Speaker 1: the post very damaging and upsetting. So one listener wrote,
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Speaker 1: as someone who had a baby a few days before her,
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Speaker 1: this is so frustrating, making me do some serious eye rolling.
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Speaker 1: I'm still having outfit meltdowns every day when I go
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Speaker 1: to get dressed. So To see this is pretty annoying.
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Speaker 1: It's literally genetics. God, I could not relate more to
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Speaker 1: that meltdown about outfits. Another listener said, as a woman
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Speaker 1: with prolapse, this absolutely enrages me. It's irresponsible and it
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Speaker 1: not only sets unrealistic expectations for postpartum women, it also
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Speaker 1: puts pressure on women to push themselves at the risk
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Speaker 1: of prolapse and other issues because they see influencers doing
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Speaker 1: things like this and thinking it'll be fine. Another listener said,
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Speaker 1: I get that everyone is different, but I don't think
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Speaker 1: one person watching feels good after watching those stories and
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Speaker 1: inevitably comparing baby or not. Now, on the other side,
16:33
Speaker 1: there were some listeners that didn't see an issue with
16:36
Speaker 1: her post saying she was simply sharing her experience. One
16:39
Speaker 1: listener wrote, I don't see anything wrong with this. Her
16:42
Speaker 1: mental health isn't great at the moment. So I say
16:44
Speaker 1: good on her for doing something for her that's going
16:47
Speaker 1: to help her. I see zero gloating here, nor education.
16:50
Speaker 1: She's just saying she is doing what works for her.
16:53
Speaker 1: Whilst another said she's been posting about how her mental
16:56
Speaker 1: health has been impacted by this third baby. If she's
16:59
Speaker 1: been given the all clear to exercise, good for her.
17:02
Speaker 1: If that's what she wants to do and if that's
17:03
Speaker 1: what makes her feel better, great. She's not telling anyone
17:06
Speaker 1: what to do. She's sharing her experience. But don't people
17:10
Speaker 1: understand that as an influencer sharing her experience, she's influencing
17:14
Speaker 1: people to do what she does? I can kind of
17:16
Speaker 1: see what they're saying because I think people feel uncomfortable
17:19
Speaker 1: sharing to criticize her actions, particularly because she's going through
17:22
Speaker 1: a difficult time at the moment. And clearly exercise is
17:25
Speaker 1: something that helps people's mental health. And they're saying, look,
17:28
Speaker 1: she's learned her lesson because she's not sitting there saying, hey, everyone,
17:31
Speaker 1: you should be doing this. But then in a way
17:34
Speaker 1: she is because of her e-book. That's what I was
17:35
Speaker 1: going to say. I would like to know how many
17:37
Speaker 1: of the people who commented positive things about it have
17:39
Speaker 1: actually had a baby. Well, there were a few that said,
17:41
Speaker 1: you know, I'm on my postpartum journey and I see
17:43
Speaker 1: no issue with it. Obviously, everyone is going to have
17:46
Speaker 1: a different opinion on it. And I think that everyone
17:48
Speaker 1: is welcome to that opinion. But I think that postpartum
17:52
Speaker 1: women are also allowed to share that it made them
17:55
Speaker 1: really upset. I mean, I saw a woman crying on
17:57
Speaker 1: TikTok saying that she has been working so hard to
18:00
Speaker 1: lose weight and eating right. And then she sees Sarah's
18:03
Speaker 1: Day post that five weeks after having a baby. And
18:06
Speaker 1: it was just so demoralizing. And yes, of course, people
18:09
Speaker 1: will say, don't compare yourself, unfollow that person. But that's
18:12
Speaker 1: actually not really realistic because even if you unfollow someone,
18:16
Speaker 1: the way the algorithm works, it's going to pop up
18:18
Speaker 1: in your feed regardless. And don't you think as well,
18:20
Speaker 1: it's like this thing of the way your brain works,
18:23
Speaker 1: like you might think, oh, that's so toxic and that's gross.
18:26
Speaker 1: But then you're kind of envious and think, oh, well,
18:28
Speaker 1: I'd actually love to have that body. And it starts
18:30
Speaker 1: to get in your head, oh, maybe I should be
18:31
Speaker 1: doing this. Like for me, I'm like, maybe I should
18:34
Speaker 1: be doing some workouts while I'm pregnant. And then I'm like, no,
18:37
Speaker 1: I shouldn't do that. Well, I mean, it's not unsafe
18:40
Speaker 1: to work out during pregnancy. It's actually quite good for you. No,
18:43
Speaker 1: but I mean like more workouts than I'm doing. Look,
18:45
Speaker 1: I mean, I. Which is zero. I'm not postpartum. I'm
18:48
Speaker 1: not postpartum or pregnant. And it made me think, fuck,
18:50
Speaker 1: look at her body. I want to work out. Like,
18:52
Speaker 1: isn't it? It's terrible. Yeah. And that's the thing. We
18:54
Speaker 1: all know deep down that it's not realistic, but that's
18:57
Speaker 1: not how social media works. It preys on you when
18:59
Speaker 1: you're feeling vulnerable. And that's what it's done here. And
19:03
Speaker 1: what makes it worse is that she knows what she's
19:05
Speaker 1: doing because she's got the hook of a postpartum guide
19:07
Speaker 1: at the end of it. It's not the first time
19:08
Speaker 1: she's been criticised for something like this as well and
19:10
Speaker 1: I think that's what has pissed a lot of people
19:12
Speaker 1: off is that she has a history of doing this. Yeah,
19:15
Speaker 1: she hasn't learnt. I think what would really demonstrate the
19:18
Speaker 1: impact that her posts have had on people is how
19:20
Speaker 1: many people signed up that day for her e-book. I'd
19:23
Speaker 1: be very interested to know those stats. So you're back
19:26
Speaker 1: in PR. Housewifery was not for me. Roxy DeSanco is
19:31
Speaker 1: officially back. The PR queen has returned to public relations
19:35
Speaker 1: after sensationally quitting her company, Sweaty Betty, two years ago.
19:39
Speaker 1: Roxy labeled the decision to quit as a midlife crisis
19:42
Speaker 1: and recently revealed on the Lazy CEO podcast that life
19:45
Speaker 1: as a housewife was boring. Let's have a listen to
19:48
Speaker 1: what she said. I'm no good on the washing machine.
19:51
Speaker 1: I'm fucking lousy on the hospital corners for beds. What
19:54
Speaker 1: did you do in your housewife times? What did I do?
19:56
Speaker 1: I shopped and shopped. It's the fucking most boring existence. Remember,
20:01
Speaker 1: I worked since I was 14. Yeah. So I was bored. Yeah.
20:04
Speaker 1: I left. I went to Singapore, suntanned, ate, drunk, put
20:09
Speaker 1: 18 kilos on. Do we really believe that she didn't
20:12
Speaker 1: have a housekeeper in Singapore? I think she did considering
20:15
Speaker 1: she said she shopped and shopped and shopped. I can't
20:18
Speaker 1: really imagine Roxy making the beds and doing the washing.
20:21
Speaker 1: I'm envious of her because Singapore would be such a
20:23
Speaker 1: fun place to go shopping every day. Yeah, but it
20:25
Speaker 1: would get boring. It would be unfulfilling, particularly if you've
20:28
Speaker 1: had this very successful career beforehand. Well, she's come back
20:31
Speaker 1: with guns blazing because she has made the claim that
20:33
Speaker 1: in the last two years since she's been away, no
20:36
Speaker 1: one has taken her place in the PR world. because
20:39
Speaker 1: they weren't willing to take the risks and push the
20:42
Speaker 1: boundaries like her. And she said that that is what
20:44
Speaker 1: has given her her competitive edge over the last 18 years.
20:48
Speaker 1: A bit of a bold statement after the PR nightmare
20:52
Speaker 1: that she was embroiled in recently with the house giveaway. Well,
20:56
Speaker 1: let's have a listen to what Roxy said has made
20:58
Speaker 1: her such a good PR guru. Treated the business of
21:01
Speaker 1: the customers as my own. Because of that, I did well.
21:06
Speaker 1: I made serious fucking money. But now everyone's safe and
21:09
Speaker 1: concerned and so politically correct. I didn't give a fuck
21:13
Speaker 1: what you think about me. Cancel culture is so big.
21:16
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I've been cancelled 500 times. Yes,
21:18
Speaker 1: you can't get younger. Hey, I'm the queen of reinvention, doll.
21:21
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I love it. I
21:23
Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, the poster girl for it. You can
21:26
Speaker 1: think of big PR firms in Melbourne and Sydney, but
21:28
Speaker 1: they're not necessarily centred around an individual like Roxy. The
21:32
Speaker 1: way that she is touted as being this PR queen
21:35
Speaker 1: and she's really the face of the business. we don't
21:38
Speaker 1: see too many companies run like that anymore. Yeah. I mean,
21:40
Speaker 1: and Roxy's right. She has been canceled a number of
21:43
Speaker 1: times for different things she has said, but she continues
21:46
Speaker 1: to land big clients because people just love how blunt
21:49
Speaker 1: she is. I mean, I listened to this interview and
21:51
Speaker 1: I was like, Fuck, she's done wrong in the past,
21:53
Speaker 1: but she is hilarious. Well, she also has a reputation
21:56
Speaker 1: of someone who will get the job done no matter what.
21:59
Speaker 1: I went to one of her live shows when I
22:02
Speaker 1: was working at another PR firm right before we started
22:05
Speaker 1: our business, Amy. And I remember hearing that she has
22:07
Speaker 1: a rule that she has to reply to an email
22:11
Speaker 1: within a couple of hours. And that's the same rule
22:14
Speaker 1: that she applies to her staff. And it's that persistence
22:17
Speaker 1: and consistency, I think, that helps her attract business and
22:21
Speaker 1: keep business. See, I'm wondering, did she want to return
22:24
Speaker 1: or was forced to return? Because when all of that
22:27
Speaker 1: drama broke around the house competition, it sounded like she
22:31
Speaker 1: took a very big hit financially, particularly having to refund
22:34
Speaker 1: all of those customers, their entrance. Well, she did joke
22:37
Speaker 1: on the podcast that she spent all of her money.
22:39
Speaker 1: So I think there was a little bit of truth
22:41
Speaker 1: to the fact that she is having to return for
22:43
Speaker 1: financial reasons. And it will be interesting to see, Kate,
22:46
Speaker 1: in terms of the scandal that we've recently seen unfold
22:49
Speaker 1: with that housing lottery competition, whether that will affect her
22:53
Speaker 1: reputation and whether brands will trust working with her. She's
22:56
Speaker 1: already had huge clients like Stacks and Mermaid Hair return
23:00
Speaker 1: to Sweaty Betty. Well, I wouldn't call them huge brands.
23:02
Speaker 1: I mean, they are. Stacks is huge. Stacks is a
23:05
Speaker 1: very successful activewear brand, but I wouldn't say Mermaid Hair.
23:08
Speaker 1: Does she have a financial stake in Mermaid Hair? Yeah,
23:11
Speaker 1: because they sponsor Pixie. I feel like she must have
23:14
Speaker 1: something to do with them. I mean, Stacks is a
23:16
Speaker 1: big brand in Australia, but the way she talks, you
23:20
Speaker 1: would have thought that maybe there were some international brands
23:22
Speaker 1: coming her way, particularly because she's been living in Singapore.
23:25
Speaker 1: I mean, the brands make sense because she's a lifestyle agency.
23:28
Speaker 1: Those are large lifestyle brands. I'm interested in hearing that
23:32
Speaker 1: she thinks that her PR business is going to be
23:34
Speaker 1: bigger than Ministry of Talent, because if anything, like from
23:36
Speaker 1: having a PR business, the way that PR is going
23:39
Speaker 1: is everything is moving to influencers. Everything is moving to
23:42
Speaker 1: paid content. Mainstream media is dying. So it's quite an
23:46
Speaker 1: interesting strategy that she's putting more of her attention into PR.
23:49
Speaker 1: It's funny you say that because she took a stab
23:52
Speaker 1: at some of her PR competitors. And she said that
23:54
Speaker 1: PR agencies these days are putting too much focus on
23:58
Speaker 1: just sending product to influencers. And I actually agree with it.
24:01
Speaker 1: She said that influencers should not be the be all
24:04
Speaker 1: and end all. And the issue is that everyone's an
24:08
Speaker 1: influencer these days. And she said, if you look into
24:10
Speaker 1: the stats, they're not selling as much product as they
24:13
Speaker 1: used to and that more agencies should be focusing on
24:16
Speaker 1: traditional media like TV, radio and print. And that's what
24:19
Speaker 1: we tend to do with our clients. So I also
24:21
Speaker 1: saw Sam Mangan who runs Spin & Co, which is
24:24
Speaker 1: another successful PR firm, sharing that same sentiment around influencer marketing.
24:28
Speaker 1: He said, because the influencer space is so oversaturated and
24:32
Speaker 1: it's the wild west at the moment, that people are
24:34
Speaker 1: paying all this money to for really no return. So
24:37
Speaker 1: I'm really fascinated in particular to see what Roxy does
24:40
Speaker 1: in the mainstream media with brands like Stacks and also
24:43
Speaker 1: Mermaid Hair, who predominantly have built a following and got
24:47
Speaker 1: an exposure through influencer marketing. Because if you think about Stacks,
24:50
Speaker 1: they are always doing influencer collaborations. That's the only way
24:53
Speaker 1: I heard about their brand. It sounds like she's coming
24:55
Speaker 1: in for quality control over their influencers. Mm-hmm. Let's get
24:58
Speaker 1: into our highs and lows of the week. And Amy,
25:01
Speaker 1: we're dying to talk about your pregnancy. This has been
25:03
Speaker 1: a long kept secret now. Yeah, it's been really frustrating
25:06
Speaker 1: because I've wanted to say for so long on the
25:08
Speaker 1: podcast that I am pregnant, especially when we do our
25:10
Speaker 1: highs and lows, because I've had so many funny things
25:12
Speaker 1: that have popped up during blood tests or ultrasounds that
25:15
Speaker 1: I've wanted to discuss. But, yes, I officially let everybody
25:18
Speaker 1: know last week that I was pregnant. Well, I've known
25:21
Speaker 1: for two months now because you broke the news to
25:23
Speaker 1: me on the podcast. People might have seen the clip
25:26
Speaker 1: we posted on our Instagram and I had no fucking
25:29
Speaker 1: idea because you'd been telling me, oh, I've got my period. Well,
25:32
Speaker 1: you've got to pretend, don't you? You want that sort
25:35
Speaker 1: of surprise because I'm 19 weeks this week. I can't
25:39
Speaker 1: believe you're that far along because now that I've got
25:41
Speaker 1: something to compare it to, like I was 17 weeks
25:44
Speaker 1: pregnant at your wedding. It felt so far along the way.
25:47
Speaker 1: But I think you seemed further back because you hadn't
25:50
Speaker 1: announced it. It was like a secret. Also, because you
25:52
Speaker 1: wear baggy clothes. So we only copped a look at
25:55
Speaker 1: the bump really today before we recorded this episode. I
25:58
Speaker 1: think I've sort of popped this week at the 19-week mark.
26:03
Speaker 1: I have a bone to pick with you. I'm a
26:05
Speaker 1: little bit sad that Sophie was the first out of
26:07
Speaker 1: us to find out because I was on maternity leave.
26:10
Speaker 1: You couldn't have waited until I was back. Well, okay,
26:12
Speaker 1: so the reality is the first people I told, well,
26:14
Speaker 1: Dale and I told, were like my mum and dad
26:17
Speaker 1: and his mum and his poppy. And we did it
26:19
Speaker 1: that weekend before I told Sophie in the podcast recording
26:22
Speaker 1: people will have seen. And I tried to invite you
26:25
Speaker 1: along to this event and you're like, I can't come,
26:28
Speaker 1: I don't have time, blah, blah, blah. Oh, so you're
26:30
Speaker 1: going to tell Kate first. No, but then I was
26:32
Speaker 1: going to invite you as well. I was going to
26:33
Speaker 1: tell everyone at once. Yeah, but you should have planned
26:35
Speaker 1: it better. But it seemed, you know what, it seemed so...
26:37
Speaker 1: obvious and I wanted it to be a surprise. So
26:39
Speaker 1: I thought, look, it's going to be too hard to
26:41
Speaker 1: get Kate to come down to this podcast recording. I'm
26:45
Speaker 1: just going to surprise her in a separate way. So
26:47
Speaker 1: I did it a few days later and I gave
26:49
Speaker 1: you this baby outfit for Jack that said, my auntie's
26:53
Speaker 1: got my best friend baking in her stomach or something
26:55
Speaker 1: like that. So I'll have to put your reaction up
26:57
Speaker 1: on the outspoken Instagram. Oh, I look so glamorous as
26:59
Speaker 1: well in that one. We are going to go. So
27:02
Speaker 1: do I, I look terrible in it. We are going
27:04
Speaker 1: to go into more detail in our subscriber episode about
27:07
Speaker 1: your pregnancy, which I'm really excited to get into. Yeah.
27:10
Speaker 1: Maybe I should share one of my lows of the
27:12
Speaker 1: week though, from when I was getting all of those
27:14
Speaker 1: pregnancy tests, because there were two that stood out. One
27:17
Speaker 1: was the fact that you do have to give a
27:19
Speaker 1: urine sample. And despite needing to go to the toilet constantly,
27:23
Speaker 1: for some reason, my bladder was not actually allowing me
27:26
Speaker 1: to do any urine in the cup when I had
27:28
Speaker 1: to provide it. Is that because you went five times
27:30
Speaker 1: before you left the house? No, I was drinking so
27:32
Speaker 1: much water in the car. I had stage fright and
27:34
Speaker 1: had to come back in with this like pitiful amount
27:36
Speaker 1: of urine. I was like, is this enough? The worst
27:38
Speaker 1: bit is when you drink too much water and it's
27:40
Speaker 1: too diluted. It's just like clear. Now, Sophie, you are
27:42
Speaker 1: back from your honeymoon in Port Douglas. We were enjoying
27:45
Speaker 1: the vlogs. I did give Brandon a little bit of
27:47
Speaker 1: stick saying that he needed to get more involved. Yeah.
27:50
Speaker 1: So these are TikTok vlogs. I feel like I've got
27:52
Speaker 1: to finish them off because I've only done four days.
27:55
Speaker 1: So maybe if more people start watching them, I have
27:57
Speaker 1: to finish them off. I want to see them. But anyway,
28:00
Speaker 1: I am the biggest fan of Port Douglas. I'm trying
28:02
Speaker 1: to convince everyone to go there with me for a
28:04
Speaker 1: group holiday next. It is incredible. It is stunning there.
28:08
Speaker 1: It feels like you are in Hawaii, but still in Australia.
28:12
Speaker 1: We hired a car and we were able to go
28:14
Speaker 1: from our resort to the little town there. I became
28:18
Speaker 1: best friends with a woman who runs the gift shop there. Oh,
28:21
Speaker 1: my God. It is called, I think it's With Sugar
28:24
Speaker 1: or something sugars. It's, oh, my God, I bought the
28:27
Speaker 1: whole shop. Like, I love it. No wonder she loves you. Yeah,
28:29
Speaker 1: it is just, Port Douglas is such a beautiful place
28:32
Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, you kept telling us, you're like, oh,
28:33
Speaker 1: I've decided that we're going to all do a big
28:35
Speaker 1: family holiday there. And I was like, oh, how much
28:37
Speaker 1: is the accommodation? And you mentioned the price. It wasn't
28:39
Speaker 1: that bad. I was like, fuck it. Go overseas for
28:41
Speaker 1: those prices. If so, it's paying for it. I mean,
28:44
Speaker 1: why would I pay for you guys to come with me?
28:46
Speaker 1: I think it was pretty on par with what you
28:48
Speaker 1: pay to go to a resort. It was stunning. Like, fuck,
28:51
Speaker 1: I wish I was still there. It was so nice.
28:54
Speaker 1: My low of the week was an incident that happened
28:56
Speaker 1: at Cairns Airport. Now... My husband is a bit of
29:00
Speaker 1: an anxious traveler, even when it's interstate. He always looks
29:04
Speaker 1: suspicious at airports just because he's worried about everything getting through.
29:08
Speaker 1: I can confirm this, having traveled to Bali with him.
29:11
Speaker 1: I've never actually had bags checked on the way back,
29:14
Speaker 1: like into Australia, but he looked so nervous. It looks
29:17
Speaker 1: like we had like 10 ton of wood in our
29:19
Speaker 1: bloody bag. And he's literally like squeaky clean. Like, you know,
29:22
Speaker 1: he's like a school prefect type vibes, like never do
29:25
Speaker 1: anything wrong. Like, and so we were going through, you know,
29:27
Speaker 1: when they have the scanners and you just walk through
29:29
Speaker 1: this time, they had the body scan. Yeah. You had
29:31
Speaker 1: to hold up. Like I literally felt like I was
29:33
Speaker 1: getting a fake tan doing all these different movements. Anyway,
29:36
Speaker 1: I went through no trouble. He then goes through and
29:39
Speaker 1: gets pulled aside and the man said to him he
29:43
Speaker 1: said something like um oh do you want to go
29:46
Speaker 1: back here or can you take that i there was
29:48
Speaker 1: some discussion and brandon thought that the man was asking
29:50
Speaker 1: him to take his shirt off so he proceeded to
29:53
Speaker 1: try and take his shirt off and the man's like No, no, no, no, no.
29:56
Speaker 1: I just wanted to pat you down because you've showed
29:57
Speaker 1: up on the scan, I think just because you're sweating.
30:00
Speaker 1: So poor thing. Brandon was sweating through nerves from going
30:03
Speaker 1: through security. Almost took his shirt off in front of her.
30:07
Speaker 1: It was quite the ordeal. I am not surprised. I mean,
30:09
Speaker 1: but surely a lot of people would be sweating in
30:11
Speaker 1: Cairns Airport. Oh, it was bloody hot there. Everyone kept
30:15
Speaker 1: telling me, oh, fuck, you're going to boil. Port Douglas
30:18
Speaker 1: is so hot. It was like 32 degrees every day,
30:20
Speaker 1: but a different type of 32. It was so humid,
30:24
Speaker 1: but it was really nice. Well, my high of the
30:26
Speaker 1: week is that we have finalized our Christmas series, which
30:29
Speaker 1: will start airing next week. And I'm so excited to
30:33
Speaker 1: finally share these interviews with you. So they are interviews
30:37
Speaker 1: with some of our favorite influencers. And they're not just
30:39
Speaker 1: about Christmas, but about things in general. We have asked
30:42
Speaker 1: some Very interesting questions. I feel like the Daily Mail
30:45
Speaker 1: need to listen because I'm sure they're going to write
30:47
Speaker 1: some articles off what we have learned from some of
30:48
Speaker 1: these influencers. Behind the scenes goss. There's a lot of
30:52
Speaker 1: different opinions that these influencers have given us on different
30:54
Speaker 1: scandals over the past year. So they really are must
30:57
Speaker 1: listen episodes. We really did go there. And to be honest,
31:00
Speaker 1: I was surprised that some of these influencers actually agreed
31:02
Speaker 1: to be on our podcast because A lot of influencers
31:05
Speaker 1: have blocked us in the past. Now, my low of
31:08
Speaker 1: the week is I sat down, very excited to watch
31:11
Speaker 1: a Christmas movie. I had the tree set up and
31:13
Speaker 1: it was top rated on Netflix. It's got Chad Michael
31:16
Speaker 1: Murray in it. And it's about this pub who put
31:19
Speaker 1: on a male review. So like a strip Yeah, I
31:22
Speaker 1: saw this ad. I thought this was meant to be
31:23
Speaker 1: a good movie. Yeah, I thought everyone was saying how
31:25
Speaker 1: good it was. It's fucking terrible. Rhys actually said, can
31:28
Speaker 1: we please turn it off? It's pissing me off. But
31:29
Speaker 1: it was a bit of eye candy to make it better.
31:31
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised Rhys hated it. The advertisement was literally
31:34
Speaker 1: just like a ripped Chad Michael Murray stripping. Yeah, a
31:36
Speaker 1: couple of hotties stripping. I don't think it's supposed to
31:38
Speaker 1: have a good plot. Okay, watch it and tell me
31:40
Speaker 1: what you think because I couldn't handle it either because
31:43
Speaker 1: I got to a point where I said to Rhys,
31:45
Speaker 1: I didn't realise how bad at acting Chad Michael Murray is. Hate, hate.
31:49
Speaker 1: He is not bad at acting. It was probably just
31:51
Speaker 1: the fucking crap script. Every Christmas movie is bad though.
31:55
Speaker 1: I feel like especially the new Netflix one, it's kind
31:58
Speaker 1: of like the theme of these new Christmas movies. Yeah,
32:00
Speaker 1: they're all low budget and low rent. Every one of
32:03
Speaker 1: those movies starts with that the successful person is single
32:08
Speaker 1: and then they have to go spend Christmas at home
32:10
Speaker 1: with their parents. Like that is literally the plot of
32:12
Speaker 1: every single one and then they fall in love with
32:14
Speaker 1: someone out there. What's wrong with that? Like everyone needs
32:17
Speaker 1: a bit of joy for Christmas. I want to watch
32:19
Speaker 1: The Holiday. Have you guys seen that? Of course. I
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Speaker 1: said to Brandon because I said I think it's Holly
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Speaker 1: from Mamma Mia. She does this really cute thing with
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Speaker 1: her family where– They write down all of the Christmas
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Speaker 1: movies that they want to watch. They put them in
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Speaker 1: a jar and then each weekend they pick out a
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Speaker 1: new one. And I said, I want to watch the holiday.
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Speaker 1: And Brian's like, we're not watching that. Have you not
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Speaker 1: seen that before? Well, what was the other one he
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Speaker 1: didn't want? He didn't want to watch Love actually as well.
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Speaker 1: So maybe we'll have to have a girls movie night.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I couldn't deal with that because my favorite
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Speaker 1: Christmas movies are the English Christmas movies. Well, that's all
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