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Episode #221: Finding Hope in the Headlines: How to Stay Positive in a Negative News Culture · Beyond Labels Premium

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: Hello every everybody.
• 0:01
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome again to another Beyond Labels podcast with yours truly, the farmer Joel Salatin, and the brains of our outfit, Dr.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: Cena McCullough.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_00: And today, uh happy Thanksgiving, everyone.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: We're uh we're in that Thanksgiving spirit, that Thanksgiving uh mood, and so this is gonna be our kind of um uh gratitude perception um uh podcast where we look at numerous things that can have a negative slant, uh, but depending on how you look at it, it can have a positive slant.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: And um uh because you know, perception is a lot, attitude is a lot, and how we make uh sugar out of vinegar uh can make a lot of difference in our outlook of life and how our spouse likes us or doesn't like us, you know, those kind of things.
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  SPEAKER_00: So uh so without further ado, I'm gonna let Sena start this off with um with uh one of the stories that we'll look at and uh we'll see where we where we go from here.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: Cena?
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I want to say that this episode was inspired by one of our listeners, by Ethan.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: And on our Discord page, he tossed out a friendly challenge of, you know, can we have some positive stories?
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_01: And so I thought, you know what?
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's a really powerful idea, not just to have the positive stories, but to share the way that we can frame our experiences by the way that we can shift our perception based on what we hear.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I think this is a great idea because you know, Joel, what it brought to my mind was have you ever been around two people that are hearing the same news, right?
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: The same piece of news, and they react totally differently, right?
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like one might spiral out of control and think, oh, the sky's falling, and the other one might shrug and smile and say something that seems out of place, like, well, today looks like a great day for a walk, right?
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you you you get that all the time.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, from I mean, people can hear even even the same the same set of facts and come up with an entirely different conclusion.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_00: And uh so yeah, that that's uh very common.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: And the thing is, your response shifts your internal physiology, right?
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a health component to it.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: So I think Ethan is really on to something.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_01: And for me, this is really about like how how can you not have your head in the sand, right?
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: So you know what's going on, but how can you take your head out of the sand and not be constantly in a state of fight or flight by the information that you're bringing in?
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: How can we modify that response, kind of turn the volume of that response down?
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I want to start off by saying, Joel, I don't know if you've ever been accused of this, but I have been accused of being too positive when I'm a guest on podcasts.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're we wanted to talk about heavy topics, and they're like, why aren't you angry?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: Ah, okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: But but what I what I what I get accused of, Cena, uh I don't think I've been accused of that.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_00: What I have been accused of is being very naive.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I went through this uh just Saturday at the uh North Carolina Food Freedom uh rally that I did there in Shiloh, North Carolina.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and there were a couple people that came up to me and said, Oh boy, I I had to bury my face when you were talking.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, because I was talking about respecting respecting the opposition and not just not just labeling, for example, uh, you know, the the in North Carolina, the the reason this was created, this this rally really happened, was because North Carolina this summer um put in four four provisions in their state.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: They have a state farm bill.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure every state has a farm bill, but uh, but in North Carolina they do.
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  SPEAKER_00: And one was to eliminate herd shares in in raw milk.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: And so all these, there's like a hundred dairies in North Carolina, small dairies, that do herd share.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: And it would, it would have eliminated these hundred small dairies.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um, and you know, and and I said, even even the commissioner, the people who want to do that, I'm not, I don't think they're evil people.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think they really believe that raw milk will make you sick.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and I was kind of taken to task when I got off the podium by a couple who said, man, I just can't give them that kind of grace.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: I, you know, they they're hateful, they're bad, they're gonna put a hundred farmers out of business, rah, rah, rah, rah, you know, and I mean you just oh, you can just see the you know, blood vessels popping out of their face and all this.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: And and I said, and I said, Well, um, you have a lot better chance of having a conversation if you assume they mean well, yeah.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: Than if you assume they mean bad.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I I think I think a lot of things that we call you know evil or nefarious or whatever are are just um uh people with a different perspective.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh I mean, I mean, I haven't met anybody that wants sick children.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: So we can agree on we don't want sick children.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: Well, how do you not have sick children?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, and then you can have a conversation.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: But if you say, oh no, you want you want dead children, you're just a bad, you know, you're well, where do you go from there?
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you can't have a conversation.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry, I got us all off topic.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: Uh no, I but that's great because that falls perfectly in line with this point.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_01: That yes, I come, I try to come from a a place when I'm looking at anything in the food, the ag the health space, a place where I'm not assuming the person is bad or doing something nefarious.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_01: There are those people, okay.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: But I have come to realize that the majority of the time, like you said, they just have a different agenda, they have a different perspective.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: And so they have a different path they want to take to get to the ultimate same goal that we want to get to.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: But here's the thing even if somebody is nefarious and you know it, it does you no good to hang on to that anger, right?
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: That shifts your biology, sets you up to have possibly chronic autoimmune conditions in the long run.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: So that's my whole thing is like that's why I can talk about things and on these podcasts and not get incredibly angry because when I read it, like when I'm learning about something, sure, I'm human, it's going to elicit different emotions, but I don't try to suppress it or um, you know, hang on to that emotion.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_01: I let it go through my body.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_01: So I experience it, I feel it, and I let it go.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I can see more clearly on the other side.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: One way I can help myself to let go of it is by looking at some kind of positive potential outcome.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't sit there and focus on the story, I shift my perception.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's why I think, you know, Ethan's post on Discord is so profound because I forget that, you know, most people aren't studying these topics day in, day out, you know, like I am or like immersed like you are.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: So they haven't gone through that emotional um release necessarily.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: I have a lot of time to kind of meditate on it, pray about it.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of times I ask God to just this is too heavy.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: Can you take this from me?
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's how I navigate through it.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_01: So I thought it would be fun to go through some stories.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: Some are positive in and of themselves, and some could be positive, but have a negative slant.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: And let's let's play around with how we can come up with some silver linings to these things.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, um, so the first story that I wanted to talk about is something that I did not know.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's related to IHOP.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever eaten an IHOP omelet?
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yes.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, back when I was in college, that's the last time I was ever in an IHOP.
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  unknown: Okay.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: We were on a debate on a debate tournament, and then we stopped for breakfast at an IHOP.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but that's the only time I've ever been at an IHOP.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so you know how they're um fluffy, like they're totally fluffy uh omelets.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, the the the guy, the guy making them, I'll never forget it.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: He he he he you know, he was he was a uh I mean he was a uh whatever a wizard with that that skillet and he would flop them up in the air, you know, and flip them over.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it was yeah, it was pretty cool.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so hopefully I'm not bursting a bubble here, but the omelets aren't just eggs.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, they're omelets.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: The way they get them so fluffy is because they add pancake batter to it.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yes, they yeah.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: I never knew that.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: How about that?
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: Pancake battery.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this story just this story uh well, I mean, I mean, some people probably already knew this, but the story came out November 15th, and some people on TikTok were very upset.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I'm not on TikTok, I'm reading this from a story that was posted about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But some people were saying that the act is criminal for them to put the batter in the eggs and that it was misleading.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, some were just disappointed saying things like this.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: As a keto, oh um, yeah, he's calling himself a keto.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_01: As a keto who loves IHOP omelets, I'm genuinely hurt by this news.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: So people were really, really upset about it.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and this is really important for people to know.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like people who have, for instance, a dairy allergy or a a gluten, a gluten sensitivity, uh, if they eat those omelets, they can have problems.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, some people posted below that said some things like this finally, I now know why I always get sick after I eat their omelets because they had an allergy to it.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: But here's the thing here's the thing it's posted on their menu.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: So they're not they're not doing anything illegal, and you could say it's misleading, but they are being transparent.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's online, which I checked for myself.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: It is online and it is on their menu when you go into the store.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: So you have to at this is the point where I'm thinking, okay, this is great because people are waking up to realize that you can't just trust the food.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: You have to actually ask what is in the food.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: So this is actually a positive story for me because number one, they didn't do anything that was illegal.
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  SPEAKER_01: Number two, they are being transparent about it, they weren't hiding the truth.
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  SPEAKER_01: Number three, now people, like I said, realize some of these people are realizing you must ask what's in your food, which is what we want, right?
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: We want people to give informed consent.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: And the other thing, Cena, is is it shows that in our hurried, harried, frenzied, frenetic uh life, we don't we don't read stuff.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: How many times have you sent an email to somebody and they respond clearly, not having read the email, they read like the first three sentences and they didn't finish it, they didn't finish it.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: And and now they've got questions about stuff that you put in your original email, but they they didn't read it.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: We we do this, we do this all the time, uh, or we see this all the time in in our own, you know, our polyface emails, like to our customers, and we explain things.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, here's the procedure, here's how you do this.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then we get we get all this.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: Well, how do you do this?
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it it I'm sorry, it wasn't the first sentence, it was the fourth sentence, you know.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: And because it was the fourth sentence, nobody ever read it.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: I I threatened one time, and I'm trying to remember if we did this a few years ago when emails just got to be so uh out of hand.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um I I said I told the team, I said, you know what we need to do when we send one of these is about you know the the the sixth sentence down, bury a little thing.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: If you read this, call this, you know, uh email this special email and you'll get a free ten dollar off coupon.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: You know, just you know, just uh or or you know, or or you know, uh um respond and we'll put your name in a hat and have a drawing and and and we'll draw out a hundred dollar you know winner at some point.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean it it's that bad.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: You just uh how do you how do you communicate when nobody reads this stuff?
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: So so yeah, a positive spin on this is for everybody to realize slow down, just slow down.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's okay to slow down.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it is, and you know, and it's not just emails too, it's also in-person communication, right?
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: With people being on their phones and stuff, and he and just just distracted with whatever the distraction may be.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: My son called me out on this, my 16-year-old.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, because yes, I was doing something, I was you know, trying to do some work thing, and he was talking to me, and I was good for the soul, confession's good for the soul.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it is.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, see, I'm lightening my load right now.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, and he did, and all of a sudden, and I wasn't fully paying attention because I'm focused on this work thing I'm trying to figure out, and he knew it.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so, literally, in the middle of this conversation, he starts saying things like, So I'm thinking I'm gonna pack a suitcase and I'm gonna go travel to Mars for the day.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: And literally, and then he said it it took him a couple things, and I was like, Wait, what?
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: Where are you like you know, you know, one of the funniest I ever heard on that scene?
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: I just got it because it's hilarious.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: I I ran into a guy that was um that was one of these um dignitaries who was uh uh greeting a uh a foreign dignitary, you know how they line up on the red carpet, and you know, the people and you always wonder, you know, when when um I think this happened to be President Clinton or something, but you know, you wonder when you know when the ambassador or somebody's going down this line, you're watching them on TV, you know, in the news, and they're going down this line, they're shaking hands.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: And what are they actually saying to each other?
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: So this one guy, he told me he had a I think he had a friend that was a dignity dignitary, and and he was in in the line shaking hands to this uh foreign entourage that was coming through.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: And the guy decided he would just play fun with it.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: And and everyone, every one of the foreign dignitaries, as they came down the red carpet, he said, Um, my mother died this morning.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: And everyone said, Oh, that's so nice.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: We're so glad to be here.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: And all this nobody was listening, nobody cared, nobody listened.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was all show.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's incredible.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: So all of us, no matter age, no matter what event we're at, whatever, we can all benefit from slowing down and being in a moment, being present with somebody.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's a great positive off this one.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: The and one more positive from the iHop story.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: Now, people who have been trying to get fluffy omelets, like cook them, cooking them in their own kitchen, now you know the secret.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: And so now you can do it yourself.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's right.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: Now you know, now you know how, as long as you're not allergic to pancake batter.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, I'll post a grain-free recipe on my website, and then people can just make that one if they need it.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: So, see another positive thing that came out of this.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: So, so so you know, one of the one of the um most enjoyable after dinner speeches I ever heard was I spoke at the North American Farm Direct Marketing Conference, NAFMDC, North American Farmers Direct Marketing Conference in Arizona.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_00: And the and the after-dinner speaker, it wasn't me, uh, was he was the official egg, he was the the um the egg uh fairy of the national egg board, to the national egg board.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: It was a trade organization, and they have a chef that goes around promoting the use of eggs.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: He happens to hold the Guinness Book of World Records of the fastest cooked omelette, the 62nd omelet.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: And and uh so he had his little Bunts and Burners there.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: He had his, I mean, it was it was the and he was the most entertaining, it was just it was just wonderful, wonderful.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, so I now I I now cook omelets uh in our house.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that that's the one thing that I do.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: Teresa does everything else, but I do the omelets under the 60 second omelets.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: And his secret for a moist omelette was you add water to the egg mix.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like like you add you add a teaspoon of water every two eggs.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: And and the thing is that water then, when you put it in the skillet, the water vaporizes, and that water comes up through and cooks it um real moist because you've got the water coming up through the eggs.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: Wait, wait, you put the the water in the skillet directly?
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, in the mix.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you you whip it into the eggs.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're you you got your eggs and you use your whisk and you pick.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so so you've you know you've got whatever, eight, nine, ten eggs, all right.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: And and so you put in uh you put in like a a teaspoon of water per two eggs.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: So if you put in, you know, um six eggs, you put in a tablespoon of water.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a lot, all right?
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but what it does is it moistens it, moistens it so much that then when there's cooking in the skillet, the water evaporates up through the eggs and and and and cooks them um real moist.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's cool.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, my mom used to add milk to our scrambled eggs.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: Would that be the same thing?
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, because the milk scorches.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: That was his whole deal.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: With milk, it's real hard to keep it from scorching.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: Water, you get all the moisture, but none of the scorching.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, wow, that's awesome.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'm gonna try to make that tomorrow morning for breakfast.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll I'm gonna try it and tell and I'll tell you if it worked or not for me.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so what he did, he didn't actually flip the omelette, he just cooked the omelet almost like a glorified scrambled egg with the water in it.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: And then he he put whatever the innards were, uh, you know, close to being done, and then just folded it over and you're good to go.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: And and his point was that the the the part that's touching the skillet always looks beautiful.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: What's torn up is the stuff that's not touching the skillet.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: And so, so this way you get this perfect, this nice omelet coming out um that that's not that's not torn up because it's not uh all uh all flipped around.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow, that sounds awesome.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: 60 seconds.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: I do them all the time.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we'll have you know uh seven, eight, nine people in here, and in in literally in 10, 12 minutes, everybody can have one, and then they want another one.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: And um, yeah, it's it's pretty, it's pretty fun.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: It makes it makes a real fun, um, lighthearted, fast, fast, uh, and and pretty much easy cleanup, you know, meal.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's an omelet bar.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: You can have little bowls of little toppings for people to pick.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: You sure could.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that would be so cool to do that at the two days of truth.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: But I I don't think Daniel would be too happy with that.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, it might be too complicated.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: Next one, Cena.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so here is one.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: This was a post.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: So uh Callie Means says Make America Healthy Again movement is being sabotaged by bureaucrats inside the HHS.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: There's apparently a CIA manual being sent to all employees.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: The manual is called How to Be a Bad Bureaucrat and Subvert an Institution from Within.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: According to Callie Means, um, they said uh so this was his contact who's telling him this information.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: The contact said that 90% of employees at HHS, which is 70,000 employees, are working and talking in the lunchroom about this manual and telling each other that their job is to save America and save science from the agenda of President Trump and RFK.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: And he says it's a nightmare.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: So lots of people are shocked about this.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know, this recently came out.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, others, uh a lot of them are frustrated, a lot of them are digging in even harder into a fighting posture, um, you know, just really up in arms to learn about this.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so here's when I read it, I literally first of all, I was not surprised.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: You and I have talked about this on the podcast before, predicting that this is exactly what would happen, right?
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: He's one bureaucrat inside this large established bureaucracy that has many, many tentacles and many major players and lobbies that are you know um bought into it.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: So this was predictable.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: So when I read this, I actually had no real emotion because I was already prepared.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: I did not have a veil over my eyes when um RFK got into that position.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: And the positive here is um I I have a few that I've written down.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: So now people and more importantly, consumers, there's they are they're becoming aware of what's actually happening to their food.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: That I saw this large wave of awakening just when RFK Jr.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: was running and uh you know for office, and then when when Trump had nominated him, uh even amongst 20 some.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Year olds, I saw them starting to wake up and read food labels and talk about what's in these foods.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so that that was already a positive.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: But here's the thing that shifted people to say, okay, there are problems with the food, and now Kenny needs to go in there and fix it.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: And you and I kept warning about that, and we're like, oh no, like the veil has come down again over their eyes, and now they're relying on one person to be this superhero, and it's not necessarily gonna happen.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: He can make some strides, but the real change in the food supply needs to come from the people.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: So now those people who were thinking of him as the superhero that would fix it all for them and they didn't have to take any responsibility, they're now seeing the corruption that we've been talking about for years.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: They're seeing what the actual bureaucracies have done to the food and what they're continuing to do as we have this great pillar of hope in there fighting against all the toxins in the food, and you have the establishment fighting against him.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: So it's all coming out to light.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I think they're starting to realize that he is limited right in what he can do.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: He is limited.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: And next, I bet we're going to see at least some people wake up and say, wait a minute, if we want this change, we're gonna have to start doing it.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna have to start moving the market and in essence, start being the watchdogs that the FDA told them they had to be from the very birth of the FDA.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: So that means engaging with more purchasing, uh their purchasing power, spreading the word of mouth, and not relying so much on the bureaucracy.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so I think that um, and this is not to take away from Kennedy, he is one person, and we've said this what he's up against.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: And he, in my opinion, he has already done his job because he's already been awakening people, and now it's our job.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's our job to pick up that baton and move the market and keep the forward momentum that he is trying to create.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: And it is possible, we can do it.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: There are tons of examples of free market wins, which we'll get to next, but I'm gonna wait for you to chime in, Joel.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, this morning, Cena, I did a I did a podcast for an outfit out of Brazil.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and one of the questions uh that the podcaster asked me was why do people why do people look to the government to save them?
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: And and I I I fumbled a little bit for words.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: I said, the only thing I can think of is that we're we're we we tend to be lazy.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: We just tend to be lazy.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: We want an easy out.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we want convenience.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we're now you know buying convenience food.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: We don't want to cook, we don't want to do it.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: And so if there's a way, if there's a way to um to shove responsibility and blame off to somebody else, well, that's you know, that makes my life easy.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: Now, turn on the TV, turn put up the NFL on, give me a beer, and all is well.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I mean, literally, uh, I mean, maybe you have a better uh, I mean, Ben Franklin, you know, said when you're willing to give up freedom for security, you get neither.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: And and I think there's a lot of truth in that.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I mean, I could say, well, you know, public schools have told us that the only thing worth learning is what an expert tells you is supposed to you're supposed to learn, and uh life is from the, you know, uh uh all the things that you're supposed to be inquisitive about in life uh are dependent on the bell, you know, whether it's science or math or I mean you can go down on that path.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, but but I mean this idea of asking for the government to fix everything is not that's not new in our era.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's that's been in plenty of cultures and histories throughout history, and it's not just because of the internet, and it's not because of the AI.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, it's it's um this this this is you know this is the uh the the problem of of civilization.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean everybody everybody in France thought France thought Napoleon Bonaparte was gonna fix all their problems, you know, and uh and you can just go down through history, you know, and and um and the pharaohs in Egypt and the you know the mullahs and whatever, okay.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, uh my brother was uh was in uh Indonesia for 15 years, and um and they they called their they call their political leaders Papa.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know, uh Papa?
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: Papa, yeah, yeah.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: Because they viewed that he's the he's gonna he's gonna be our Papa, you know, this is the idea.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: And so this is cross-cultural, it's cross-civilizational, it's cross-historical, um, and and uh, and I think that that we in the US, we have been, you know, we're at a point, I agree with you 100%.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: I I think that uh that nothing really changes until the masses understand it's up to me.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and um I do think that that is the belief in our culture.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: And like you said, and and I because I know that my parents, when they raised us, it we did outsource our power to uh you were to always trust the experts and we didn't question them.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: So it it is, you know, like I've said before, handed down uh like an heirloom.
• 27:42
  unknown: Right.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so it's our opportunity now to break free of that so we don't hand it down to the next generation, you know, and and so one positive thing, like when I'm saying, when I'm saying that Kennedy, even if he does nothing else, right, and and can't get anything else pushed through, he has done his job.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: So for example, uh Steak and uh Steak and Shake, which I've actually never been to, but Donnie, my husband has.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so Steak and Shake announced on November 13th, this is on a post on X, that they're changing their milk and their chocolate milk to A2.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: And they're doing this beginning December 1st.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: And not only that, Joel, but they have a vow, and it's on their website to never source milk that's been in that has growth hormone, the RBST, R RBGH in it.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: So I thought that was fantastic.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: And also uh earlier, this was I think October 19th, Steak and Shake said that they're gonna eliminate seed oils from their fries.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: If you go to the website, they have this whole big post.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's called transitioning away from seed oils.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: They've made a commitment to removing them from their restaurant.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: They're really the um the forerunners in this.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: So what are they what are they gonna cook fries in?
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: Lard?
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: Beef tallow.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: Beef tallow.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, this is amazing.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: So, so then on October 19th, they said they're gonna be removing seed oils.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: And then on October 29th, they said this is what they said, our fries could be partially cooked in 100% beef tallow before they're shipped to us, and then we cook them again in 100% beef tallow at the restaurant.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: And this is this is coming on the heels of um Kennedy, Kennedy backing beef tallow and calling out that seed oils are bad.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: But um, and I'm just gonna read this quote from Kennedy.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, so the the so he what he's saying is that like McDonald's and such, they used to make their fries with beef tallow.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then it was phased out and exchanged for seed oils.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: And Kennedy says, and I quote, this switch was made because saturated animal fats were thought to be unhealthy, but we have since discovered that seed oils are one of the driving causes of the obesity epidemic.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: Interestingly enough, this began to drastically rise around the same time.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: Fast food restaurants switched from beef tallow to seed oils in the fryer.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: And then he says, um, it's time to make frying oil tallow again.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: So they are responding, they're leading the charge in this.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: Other restaurants are now also announcing or have announced that they're switching to tallow.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: So, for example, Popeye's Outback Steakhouse, Buffalo Wild Wings, Sweet Green.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they all made the announcement.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: And we're seeing some grocery stores that are now selling like frozen French fries in beef tallow.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: So this is a huge um, this is a big positive story.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: And and it shows you the power that Kennedy is having in the marketplace, right?
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: These these companies are changing because they know that consumers are pushing back and this is what they want.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and also I found on Steak and Shake's website, they said uh they're using 100% grade A Wisconsin butter sourced from a family farm.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: We're now also offering cane sugar coke to our guests who prefer natural sweeteners over products containing high fructose corn syrup.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: We believe in giving our guests the freedom to choose among alternatives whenever possible.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: So amazing, right?
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: From steak and shake.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: And this was even more good.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, go ahead.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, no, go ahead.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: That that's um, you know, that that's that's powerful stuff.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know, people how many um well during this thing in North Carolina the other night, I'll go back to it.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh a lady challenged me in my kind of libertarian approach.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what are you gonna do about the bad guys?
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_00: I said the market, if if people know the truth, they they will they will change their purchasing.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: The the reason the reason we have what we we are where we are is because we the people have been asleep at the wheel, frankly.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: And and and we can say, well, there's been all this, you know, uh um nefarious agenda to keep everything hidden and all that.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you you can say that, but but you know, for those of us who have had our eyes open and our ears to the ground, we haven't been hoodooed by you know by the the um you know the industry.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: And we know it's kind of like it's kind of like we we always use the story when we came out of the farm in 1961, came to this property, and um, and and dad was asking both public and private agriculture um consultants, how do I make a living on this little farm?
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: And the advice was all the same.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: It was plant corn, borrow money, use chemicals, graze the wood lot, build silos.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: So here we are.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, well, I I'm looking back at the at the um the 1980s farm crisis.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: Some people don't remember that.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: I sure do.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: In the 1980s, there was, you know, farmers that that's when they started all the hotlines for the farmers committing suicide because they were all, you know, they were all uh going out of business.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: And and they were going out of business because they had listened to that advice.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm looking around.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: Well, who's who's responsible for what you listen to?
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's I think it's interesting that that uh that in the history, history books of the Bible, you know, Samuel Kings and Chronicles, they talk about all the different kings, and there's a lot of duplication there, you know, um, between Kings and Chronicles.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, it's funny how half of them it says the king made the people sin worse than it ever done before, and half of them it says the people made the king sin worse than he'd ever sinned before.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_00: And and and I I think that's a wonderful balance, isn't it?
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: That that we we get the govern the kind of government we elect.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: And and and it's a it it's it's a two-way street.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_00: You can't just you can't just point fingers and say they, them, those people, if they would just do right no.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's a it's a collaborative effort.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: We we get where we are, um we get where we are because this is where the herd went.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I think uh tipping point is going to happen as more and more kids get sick.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we have we have more and more adults getting sick, but here's the thing with the adults, number one, some of them chalk it up as, well, this is I guess just what happens as you get older.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: And number two, they look around and they see all their friends also sick.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: So that's just the norm.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: But when you have kids and you have you you're seeing them have chronic diseases and they're your kids, you instinctively know that's not normal, right?
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, and you will not stop fighting until you help them heal.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think sadly, as more and more kids get sick, we're gonna reach that tipping point.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: But again, there's the positive out of that.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: All of those are reversibles, reversible, and we just need those parents to keep fighting and keep searching for for the solutions like we did, you know.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that uh go ahead.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that brings me to another story from North Carolina the other night.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um wait, are you gonna change topic?
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, I go ahead.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: The lady came, she wanted to talk to me.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: So, okay, so she sat down next to me, and she has a six-year-old son that has just finished leukemia treatments.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: And and um, oh yeah, I had to say, I mean, uh, you just your heart breaks, okay.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: Well, anyway, um so so he and he's doing great.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_00: He's he's got a couple little side effects, but she said he he's totally normal, he's he's doing fine.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and he got this at like you know, one year old.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: And um and and so I asked her because you know, you and I talk about on this program, and I I mentioned that to her.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_00: I you know, you you and I talk about how your sense is that that most, especially chronic stuff, is emotional, psychological.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: You haven't forgiven somebody, you you hate somebody, you you know, it's all this stuff, you know.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the proverb says, you know, envy is the rottenness of the bones.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that that you know, envy, uh, greed, selfishness can lead you.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: And but these little kids, they're they don't have all that emotional baggage.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they haven't been through a divorce, they haven't been through a uh, you know, uh a sick child, they haven't been through, you know, stress.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um and and and so it I've always I've never argued with you on this, but I've I've always had this kind of nagging.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: When I see the you know the ads for the the that break your heart from St.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: Jude's Children's Hospital, for example.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: And you just you just sit there and you cry, you weep with these parents, you just can't imagine, you know, what this is what this would be like.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: And and and these little you know, one and two and three-year-old kids, you know, they don't have a bunch of emotional baggage, you know, that just made them sick.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I asked this lady, she's sitting there, and she's you know, she's had this this child with leukemia, and I and um I said, Well, what did you do?
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: She said, Well, we we we didn't do anything conventional.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: We changed, we we completely changed our diet, and apparently they'd been eating very, very poorly.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: And she told me, but she said, I know what, I know what caused it.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Really?
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: She said, Yes, vaccine.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Are you telling me that a bunch of these little kids at St.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: Jude's Children's Hospital, they're there because of vaccine?
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: She said, Oh, yeah, absolutely.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: She said, There's an entire subculture of us moms.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: We know when our kids took a nosedive, and it was after a battery of vaccines.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and it was just so powerful to me to hear her talk like that.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: But then the positive to know that there's enough of it.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: This I'm back to your your thing about a tipping point about when kids are sick and everybody else's kids are sick, it creates awareness that then creates a uh you know enough enough of a mass, enough of a you know, uh buzz to use the social media term, enough of a buzz that this is not hidden under a closet for you.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: You can't you can't deny the numbers.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: And um and so I I was, you know, my heart broke for the lady, but I was I was elated that she'd had such great success and her son was doing great.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and she was then counseling and helping and being uh you know a helper, uh a sounding board, an encourager to other moms that were going through the same thing.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was uh profound.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's great.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: And and we live in this um the way that we live now with the current technology, they're able to connect and get that momentum going between like the moms and the parents, you know, whereas like back when I was a kid, it was much harder for parents to connect and you know really gain some momentum in these in these spaces, you know, like like they are now with autism.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I will say, and we could do a whole show on this one if people are interested in it, but the so when uh when a let's say they think it's the vaccine.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, there's something that's happened in that child that makes them so that they can't detox properly from the vaccine.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: So the vaccine isn't the ultimate root cause of that leukemia.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's the what pushed them over the tipping point.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: But what we're finding is even in children, you know, we've talked on the show before about adverse childhood experiences and also attachment trauma, just attachment disorder.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: So that can start even within the womb.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_01: It can even be um generational that's passed down on in the through the biofield.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they would say genetics, but through the biofield.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: And those things can, for example, rewire the nervous system so that the nervous system is primed for fight or flight.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: And it's being in that chronic state of fight or flight that on a physical level can actually trigger dis-ease.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_01: So there's something that happened originally in the child's experience that then made them more susceptible so the body couldn't detox.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, and this is this is a little bit of a tangent, but just to plant a seed, and we could go into this at a different time.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we talked before about the DNA and people talk about like the MTHFR mutation, for example.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_01: And if you if you're homozygous for that mutation, it decreases greatly your ability to detoxify in the body.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's what they say.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_01: So, how do we get that mutation?
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: There is a a school of thought that um like we've talked about on this show, that that DNA when it unravels, it releases biophotons.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: So if you have what we're saying is like a mutation in that gene, when it unravels, it's gonna emit a different frequency wavelength of light.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: So what is it that caused it to form that DNA to form in such a way that it had that mutation?
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: And that comes from the field.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: The field directs what how the DNA is gonna actually form itself.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: So what what controls the field?
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: This is largely inherited from the parents and created in the in in in utero uh from the experiences.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: So it all ties back.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: I know that's probably that's not where we wanted to go with this, but but that is an eye-opening positive thing that you it's another thing that you can change, you know, about that situation.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it would be interesting.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: I was just reading this morning um in the Wall Street Journal about how um uh Palantir, and I'm saying that right, the AI, the AI company, Palantir, um Tyson Foods is using it.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: They used it during COVID to uh to predict how many of their employees would get COVID in the different plants.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: And um okay, yeah, it's Palantir.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Palantir.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: I thought I had that right.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, I mean they're they're the one of the newest darlings in the whole AI, you know, database thing.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and the the one of the vice presidents of Tyson just gave a just gave a presentation at the Palantir annual meeting, uh, extolling the virtues of what Palantir had brought to Tyson Foods, that they were able to give all their employees, you're gonna love this, smartwatches to track everything so that so that they could they could put that data into Palantir and it would it would project how many of their workers would get COVID in the next two weeks.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so they could shift work around to the different plants that had to either be open or closed, depending on, and for example, in the one example he used was that it predicted that on Thursday next week, 880 people in this plant will get COVID.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_00: And when next Thursday came, they had 883.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's how that's how precise the Palantir prediction was.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, we could get paranoid about, oh my, you know, to talk about privacy and and and you know, uh what big data can know about you uh that can be negative.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: But wouldn't it be cool if that kind of data harnessing could be harnessed for you know, for things like uh to to try to isolate what makes a person want to take fentanyl or cocaine or be suicidal or or get a chronic disease to try to to plug in enough data points that you could actually see see a pattern.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well um you know uh uh teen suicides 90 of them are in houses for example that that do this or or think this or believe this um you know and and um and and so you know all this stuff is it's just tools you know it's just tools and it depends on how you use the tool exactly that that depends on where it is yes yes when we found out about um ai being like a critical component of you know the the platform of Trump and Kennedy of course I wasn't that thrilled about it but again on the positive I was like well they're gonna do it anyway so I'm not gonna sit here and be upset about it and I started thinking about and researching all the different things they could do that could possibly help you know in in in disease prevention and and as a researcher who looks through tons and tons of data my goodness it would save so much time to just data dump all these different studies into AI yeah and have them compare them and tell me what is like like blue zones what is you know look at all that data and then here's some conflicting data I found and you tell me what is the number one thing that we should be looking because people can handle usually one thing at a time.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_01: So what is the number one thing that we should be looking at and so just for kicks Joel I actually did that this weekend I put um I put a bunch of data um you know into AI and and gave it the blue zone studies and I said okay tell me all the factors that are um that are contributing to people living to be a hundred or above and of course you know starts spitting out the common factors that we've reported on and the blue zone story report on then I said well tell me the most important based on the data alone tell me the number one yeah uh reason that they're living that long and um and I did it twice it told me two different things based on the different data I gave it the the the first thing it said was listen to the Beyond Labels podcast.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_00: That how did you go yeah well close it said community really yeah yeah that that trump that trump I've read that but that that trumps everything it it trumps everything so so you know so if you're if if you're eating a great diet but you're paranoid about about your diet and doing it in isolation it's probably better to eat seed oil French fries laughing with friends I mean you know this is what you're talking about.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah exactly exactly and that's why we have to be very careful not to just you know ban or completely demonize different foods you know um because there's so many different variables involved your emotional state is right highly connected to how much inflammation is going to be experienced by your body systemically so you know and a lot of things come into play with that um the second time that I um gave us a different sets of data and asked the same question it came up with gratitude having gratitude which is perfect for Thanksgiving you know but that was the thing I I thought how fascinating it's not it's not coming up no matter what data set I was giving it it wasn't coming up with physical triggers like physical things you should start doing right you know not even like diet not even exercise yeah it was community and gratitude you know if you if you think about the uh the exit interviews of the like the the school shooters that we've had um the the ones that survive uh that either don't kill themselves or aren't shot every one of them they're lonely and they're angry they they say I don't fit in and nobody likes me that's both that's both of these things they're ungrateful and they have no community power powerful stuff I just got goosebumps yeah yeah no that's powerful stuff so yeah so another positive that you know there's some good things you can use ai for um okay back to because let's let's go on to the next story but let me just tell you another positive out of the steak and shake so I read some of the posts that people um put on the internet underneath this story and this this just made me so excited so here I'm gonna read you a few of them I love the direction replace wheat next remove pesticides and glyphosate laden wheat change it to organic please and bring back real milkshakes instead of the mix you use and then another person said if you include ice cream in this shift my life will become infinitely better there's nowhere except store bought Hagandoss to get ice cream with less than five ingredients America needs real ice cream make ice cream great again oh there you go there you then here's another one the only way you could do better on that is to go raw cow's milk which is even better all around and let me know when you've eliminated the fortified enriched bleached grains i would and I want you to just ban the spraying of them and then this one says I love this how about raw milk is that in your future and another one says this is the last one I'll put nice you guys are moving in the right direction source more real ingredients from American farms and we'll support you more and more so I think this was just are there any posts saying you guys are heading the wrong direction we need chemicals to feed the world and and the regular um uh in industrial dribble though those those comments aren't there so the ones that I read through nobody said that like oh most excellent and impressive like uh now get rid of your American quote unquote cheese they were all positive the only thing that I saw was people some people were confused about what A2 was where they were like is this some genetically engineered cow that people came up with to try to manipulate us to now buy this other milk like so they were confused about that but from the from the post the post that I saw the comments I saw nobody was like oh give us those seed oils and you know like so I thought that was so fantastic because it's showing you how many people are waking up and these are people that eat at steak and shake and they're saying we want raw milk you know we want no glyphosate we want so that's just so fantastic fantastic yeah it is um okay we're ready for my next story yeah yeah yeah okay so this this this will have to be our last one we're gonna be out of time here oh bummer okay we can do the next ones in a different different podcast this is great the we well this will be our last one okay okay how long do I have uh about eight minutes oh okay I'll try to hurry okay so this one actually I found something positive Joel coming out of the American Heart Association oh wow yes okay so they have what's called the cardiovascular kidney metabolic health initiative and this is all over their website if you wanted to go look at more details it says this initiative is advancing integrated whole person care for cardiovascular kidney and metabolic conditions and they're saying that this cardiovascular kidney metabolic syndrome as they're calling it a health disorder made up of heart disease kidney disease diabetes and obesity that leads to poor health uh outcomes and they're saying that um this is something that that's new for them they're saying that they have found that there's um a cluster of these interconnected diseases the doctors have been treating separately for decades and they want to stop treating them separately they want to I know you're laughing so was I I was like oh yeah so my and I'll go in I'll give you a little more detail about details about this but here's the thing I started reading this and I was like oh give me a break like you know uh that was my first response um because this came out they said it was first defined in a 2023 American Heart Association presidential advisory and they're saying that 90% of adults are affected by it but very few people have heard of it and in early 2026 the American Heart Association will release its first ever clinical guidelines on this syndrome to help healthcare providers better identify and treat this widespread condition.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_01: So they're finally connecting these things they're finally connecting that the heart and the kidneys and you know your pancreas and all this high blood sugar blood sugars that these are all connected so at first I was like but then I thought you know what this is fabulous because they're starting to shift I mean this is the American Heart Association we're talking about and they are starting to shift and encourage an integrative approach instead of um and and this is it says uh let me read this quote to you um the the national volunteer president of the American Heart Association said it's really common to have risk factors for heart, kidney and metabolic disease like diabetes at the same time and they are all interconnected.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_01: The problem is that care for people with multiple conditions is often fractured and various specialists and primary care clinicians work in silos.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: Through this initiative we aim to help doctors work together to treat cardiovascular kidney and metabolic risk factors together because that's how patients experience them.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought oh that's great.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_01: They're moving forward and she said they're working on prevention screening and treatment rather than waiting for the disease to declare itself so this was fantastic.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_01: If you look and I signed up to get some of their their information so I've been able to look through it.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_01: If you look through it again I'm not thrilled about the diet that they're doing for it but I will tell you they have like these eight essential elements that they're looking at and I kid you not Joel one of them is sleep.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_01: Wow yes I thought yes you're finally starting to integrate other things instead of just these lab markers.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: So this is what they say about sleep how sleep affects your health one to three adults don't get enough sleep.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_01: Most adults need seven to nine hours of sleep each night and kids need more yet the average high school student gets only 6.5 hours per school night and about 20% get five hours or less and then and they cite all these studies too to substantiate this claim they said poor sleep may put you and your health at higher risk for Alzheimer's heart disease dementia depression diabetes high blood pressure high blood sugar high cholesterol infections and obesity and and then it can also cause breathing problems hormonal imbalance memory issues inflammation stress weight gain increased appetite and unhealthy eating and then they talk about benefits of sleep and they also give you tips on how to sleep better.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_01: And one of the tips that they're telling you is to turn off all your screens like you know a couple hours before nighttime and have a you know have a bedtime routine and whatever.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_01: But I thought this was fantastic they're actually citing the literature the people in our circles have been talking about for a long time about just how important sleep really is for disease prevention.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_01: So this is a huge positive and one last thing and um and then I'll let you have you chime in they are saying that even though 90% of US adults have this syndrome that they have declared they're saying you can reverse it that's huge.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah sure yeah uh reverse it without without a whole bunch of drugs that that that it can be reversed.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_01: Well they drugs are that drugs are part of the reversal process so drugs are part of their initiative but you know it's still a good step forward so yeah no I I I I couldn't I couldn't agree more.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_00: I mean just just taking an integrative approach uh is is a step in the right direction they've they've they've been it it's you know we know more and more about less and less and um you know it's it's like the you know it's like the proverbial you know six blind men that came up to the elephant and um you know what is this and the one one that that's feeling his trunk says it's rather like a like a a hose and the one that feels his um you know uh tusk says it's rather like a bone and one feels his tail and says it's rather like a broom and one that feels his ears says rather like a fan and the one that feels his legs is rather like a tree trunk and uh they're all just they're all just seeing they're you know they're part of the uh or you know sensing they're part of the elephant elephant and so um so yeah the the American Heart Association uh going this direction is almost like the American Farm Bureau Association's uh federation saying we should start uh encouraging compost um that's a that's a pretty big pretty big deviation from from norm so um yeah so these are all these are all really good there's that so there's a lot um again as we look at our world there's a lot to complain about to be dysfunctional uh that that that is dysfunctional but there's movement there's movement um and i i'm convinced that some of it is Gen Zers as Gen Zers enter the labor market they're coming from a different perspective than baby boomers Gen Zers they they don't just categorically trust these old revered institutions they don't they they've been um um snookered around through COVID and and and all this stuff and um and it's it's an exciting thing and and and they're and they're uh they're feeling the pressure financially as well they really want to stay healthy and uh they don't trust they don't trust the health system they don't trust the economic system and so they're coming into these these American Heart Association are coming into businesses um you know uh Chipotle just had a big um you know uh earnings statement thing Chipotle Mexican grill and restaurant and how they're they're uh they're losing their gin zers um in in in the in in Chipotle because why it said because they're eating at home they're trying to save money so here you have this here you have this massive business uh suffering some financial uh hardship but why well it's because they're eating at home because it's a lot cheaper they're cooking and and eating at home and they said man I can make I can make carnitas at home you know it's not that hard and so you know man the Gen Z they're they're don't don't underestimate them.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know it's easy for especially you know baby boomers like me to just write off oh these guys on our no no no no no things cycle things cycle and and if if if the greatest generation won world war two and the baby boomers came on as as as as a nation we were basking in the victory of World War II and all that that brought to us um Gen Z is coming up in a new cycle of um of of of gritty hardship you know student loans and economic down you can't buy a house anymore I mean all that and and uh AI taking away your job you know I mean all these things that they're and so I I think a lot of these uh these big changes we see in even places like stake and shake is the influence of these these 20 these 20 somethings you know that are coming in and and they're not baby boomers you know they they don't just assume that Monsanto has the answers and uh and it's a it's a very very exciting time very exciting things to to to do.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_00: So question of the day question for the week to our folks is um what are you grateful for?
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's Thanksgiving week and uh we're not gonna we're not gonna tell you you've got to you've got to do a bad story with a positive spin just uh just enjoy being grateful and uh tell us tell us what you're grateful for and uh and we'll just put that on and and and share share gratitude that's a that's a great that's a great thing.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you everyone for um being with us on another Beyond Labels podcast and uh we very much look forward to sharing with you again next week