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Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, March 10 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Thursday, March ten. This is Jaguars Happy Hour
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  Speaker 1: and now a guy who was searching first ball when
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  Speaker 1: the horns sounded japs shod Rick. Welcome and it is
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour on this Thursday afternoon. Does he show ahead?
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  Speaker 1: Jeff will look at that maybe by August. Let's take
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  Speaker 1: a look at what's coming up on the show today.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of it's Jeff log and Jaguars analyst Cam Robinson
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  Speaker 1: gets the franchise tag. What does that mean for the
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  Speaker 1: number one overall pick in the NFL draft? In we'll
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  Speaker 1: get answers from Logs Future For DJ Chark Jr. We're
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  Speaker 1: a little less than a week away from the start
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  Speaker 1: of the new league year and free agency, but Chark
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  Speaker 1: has been working out with Trevor Lawrence. At least Tuesday
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  Speaker 1: was running rounds with him, according to Instagram, and some
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  Speaker 1: huge quarterback news around the NFL. Jeff Lockman with us Now,
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  Speaker 1: good afternoon, Jeff. What's up. It's all good, it's all
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  Speaker 1: good happening. This is my my Patrick havanall special hats
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  Speaker 1: teal and black. It's got alternating letters and different colors.
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  Speaker 1: It's got the cat head in the front. It's a
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  Speaker 1: good looking at they see this is This is available
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  Speaker 1: at Jaguars dot com at the NFL Shop. I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: it is. Yes, Um, it's a what did you call
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  Speaker 1: that retro or would that be? Um? Would you describe them?
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  Speaker 1: See right on the inside there it says p K.
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  Speaker 1: This is the Patrick Cavanaugh special hat. It was meant
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  Speaker 1: to decorate the studio. This is my game day hat.
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  Speaker 1: This is what I wear for this show. This is
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  Speaker 1: our day. Yeah. For those who you know, we don't
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  Speaker 1: have a game show or anything, Logs y, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: telling you so you know, people can't see the studio
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  Speaker 1: before the show because the cameras on aren't aren't on yet.
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  Speaker 1: That's the whole idea of a show, right, you know,
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  Speaker 1: starts and then ends well before Logs comes in and
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  Speaker 1: his outdoor show hat that's correct, and then changes it
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  Speaker 1: like Mr Rogers would do. With his you know cardigan. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: with the sweater, but you do it with hats. That's
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  Speaker 1: that's correct, and we appreciate. If I was wearing a
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  Speaker 1: hat today. I can't. I can't, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta represent. So I'm gonna put the Jaguars at
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  Speaker 1: on for the show. By the way, I heard you
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  Speaker 1: got franchise tagged me. Yeah, I don't know what the
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  Speaker 1: number is on that, but uh, that wasn't quite the
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  Speaker 1: in the listing. I'll say that big week, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: franchise tag for Cam Robinson sixteen point six million guaranteed
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  Speaker 1: for one year if he signs the tender and the
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  Speaker 1: Jags and Robinson have until July fifteen to work on
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  Speaker 1: a long tour term deal or he would play under
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  Speaker 1: that one year number. Yeah, they're just a quicker on that.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm Cam Robinson, I'm probably just gonna go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and sign it because I think it's gonna end up
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  Speaker 1: being just like, very similar to last year. It's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be a one year deal and um, and I think
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  Speaker 1: it was the right thing to do. You think, so,
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  Speaker 1: First of all, Cam Robinson is a is a solid,
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  Speaker 1: good football player, and I don't want anybody to have
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  Speaker 1: the impression because he got franchise that he's one of
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  Speaker 1: the best left tackles in football. That's that's not what
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  Speaker 1: he is. He's a good he's a good football player,
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  Speaker 1: which means that he's the middle of the pack that
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  Speaker 1: you know to sometimes maybe you know backward part of
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  Speaker 1: the middle part of the pack. But he's a he's
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  Speaker 1: a starter. He's a starter, and he's a starting caliber
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  Speaker 1: left tackle in this league. And those players are not cheap,
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  Speaker 1: and so you want to and when when you're a
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  Speaker 1: football team that hasn't won a lot of games in
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  Speaker 1: the last decade, you want to keep all the best
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  Speaker 1: players that you possibly can so that you're not trying
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  Speaker 1: to fill holes. I mean, you have enough holes to
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  Speaker 1: fill as it is already. That's why your record has
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  Speaker 1: been the worst than the National Football League two years
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  Speaker 1: in a row. You've got to concentrate on getting better,
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  Speaker 1: and the way that you get better is that you
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  Speaker 1: get better players. And and putting the tag on Cam
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  Speaker 1: Robinson is the right thing to do. Does it change
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  Speaker 1: any of your plan going forward in free agency and
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  Speaker 1: in the draft? I think free agency it might change
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of what you would do because if
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  Speaker 1: you didn't tag him, you might end up looking at
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  Speaker 1: another option who uh goes by the last name of Armstead. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: to maybe play your left tackle position. It might cost
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  Speaker 1: you a little bit more money, more than more than
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  Speaker 1: sixteen point six huh. But from the standpoint of changing
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  Speaker 1: what you would do for the draft, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it changes anything. Nothing, nothing. So they could still go
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  Speaker 1: with tackle at number one overall, absolutely and then let
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  Speaker 1: the new guy play somewhere else and then figure it
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  Speaker 1: out if Jonathan Ogden who who is? And you go
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  Speaker 1: back to this story which the Cleveland brown slash Baltimore Ravens,
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  Speaker 1: because that was the Tony Jones was the starting left
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  Speaker 1: tackle for the Cleveland Browns before the organization made the
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  Speaker 1: move to Baltimore. Tony Jones was one of the better
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  Speaker 1: left tackles in football, and so they drafted Jonathan Ogden
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  Speaker 1: with Tony Jones still at the left tackle position. They
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  Speaker 1: allowed Tony Jones to continue to play left tackle. Ogden
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  Speaker 1: played left guard, which was funny is all get out
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  Speaker 1: watching a six eighth man get into a guards you know, stand.
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  Speaker 1: But he was really good even at guard. And then
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  Speaker 1: when Tony Jones moved on, then you had Jonathan Ogden
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  Speaker 1: to take over, and of course he had a Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame career. So can you play a draft pick
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  Speaker 1: at guard? Absolutely? Can you play maybe somebody else at
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  Speaker 1: guard that you already have on your roster, maybe the
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  Speaker 1: guy that you drafted pretty high last year. Absolutely. I
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  Speaker 1: think everything is on the table. And I've had this before,
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  Speaker 1: I'll say it again, and it's just my own personal belief.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't come from anywhere inside the football brains of
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  Speaker 1: this organization. But I am a believer that Cam Robinson
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  Speaker 1: can be one of the best right tackles in football.
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  Speaker 1: And I think he's built to play right tackle. And
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  Speaker 1: if you ended up drafting the left tackle, or you
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  Speaker 1: had Walker Little play left tackle, or you had the
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  Speaker 1: draft pick played left tackle, walker Little playing guard, I
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  Speaker 1: think that that would all be good for this football team.
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  Speaker 1: The better offensive line that you can put in front
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  Speaker 1: of Trevor Lawrence, the better your football team is going
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  Speaker 1: to be, even if they happen to be all tackles
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  Speaker 1: by trade. Now, the rookies at Quanta Evan Neil both
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  Speaker 1: have played multiple positions throughout their careers. In college played
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  Speaker 1: guard before a Neil's third position and left tackles now,
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  Speaker 1: like he started his career in college at left tackle,
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  Speaker 1: so they can move around if and and uh and
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  Speaker 1: and here's the other thing. You need to create more
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  Speaker 1: or competition for your offensive line because that's the only
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  Speaker 1: way you get better. The buff Buffalo Bills just reported
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  Speaker 1: that they're gonna be letting go. I think it's Feliciano,
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  Speaker 1: who has been a starting guard for them. I think
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  Speaker 1: he would be a great pickup. You know. I think
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  Speaker 1: this football team needs more competition upfront. And Feliciano not
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  Speaker 1: only is he has been a starter for the Buffalo Bills,
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  Speaker 1: but he's got an edge about him the way he
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  Speaker 1: plays the game. Bobby Wagner. Look, if i'm this football team,
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  Speaker 1: I'm on the phone with Bobby Wagner and his representation
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  Speaker 1: right now. I mean, you want to win, then let's
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  Speaker 1: bring in a guy who is one of the best
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  Speaker 1: players in all the football at the position and he
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  Speaker 1: plays and oh, by the way, you need a linebacker. Okay, Um,
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  Speaker 1: what's wrong with having a guy to help show the
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  Speaker 1: locker room what winning is all about, who's won a
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  Speaker 1: lot of games in his football career and as a
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  Speaker 1: total professional. Anything wrong on that that doesn't sound like
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  Speaker 1: it to be. No, why not, I mean, why not
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  Speaker 1: inquire about a guy like that? So, I mean a
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  Speaker 1: lot of these things that you can inquire. It takes
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  Speaker 1: two to tango though, absolutely, absolutely, But you gotta make
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  Speaker 1: that phone call if you have if you had the mindset,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, this mindset has existed here in the past,
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  Speaker 1: and that the mindset sometimes can be well looked. We're building,
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  Speaker 1: we're building something here. You know, you know, we don't
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  Speaker 1: want to we don't want to use you know, bringing
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  Speaker 1: old guys for this football team because you know what,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when we get good, we want to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that we're you know, they're they're here to play.
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  Speaker 1: Darryl Smith, We're good. Along happen with Daryl Smith. That
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  Speaker 1: was back in Look, the football of today is not
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  Speaker 1: about okay, let's build to the future. I mean everybody
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  Speaker 1: tried to do that. This this organization tried to do
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  Speaker 1: it for years, building the future. And don't guess what,
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  Speaker 1: the future never came. I mean it came one year
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  Speaker 1: in seventeen. You've you've got to continue to try to
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  Speaker 1: put the best team on the field. And then you
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  Speaker 1: know what if you got a quarterback and all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, you start putting some pieces in place, and
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  Speaker 1: then you get hot. You don't know what can happen,
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  Speaker 1: and so why not? Why not? And because a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people say, hey, you know he's too old. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Chandler Jones, Ay, he's too old. Last time I checked,
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  Speaker 1: he's Chandler Jones and Bobby Wagner, we're still really good
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  Speaker 1: football players in this league. Lead the league and tackles. Again,
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  Speaker 1: he leads the league and tackles like every year, and
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  Speaker 1: he is I want to say, he's has some stat
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  Speaker 1: about and here's a guy who's an absolute tackling machine.
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  Speaker 1: His eighth straight Pro Bowl hundred seventy tackles a career
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  Speaker 1: high last season for Wagner. Okay, but here's the crazy
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  Speaker 1: thing about Bobby Wagner is that if you look at
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  Speaker 1: all the tackles that he makes year in and year out,
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  Speaker 1: and then you look at the number of miss tackles
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  Speaker 1: that he has, it's like nonexistent. So how in the
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  Speaker 1: world can a guy that makes that many tackles not
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  Speaker 1: miss a tackle every now and again? But Bobby Wagner
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  Speaker 1: doesn't miss tackles, which is crazy. And the Seahawks are
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  Speaker 1: moving on. You know, Russell Wilson, they're trading him and
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  Speaker 1: and Bobby Wagner can represent a lot of cap savings,
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  Speaker 1: and the Seahawks are committing to the future, I guess
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  Speaker 1: and complete rebuild. I mean, if I'm this football team
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  Speaker 1: here in Jacksonville right now, if I'm the Jaguars, I'm
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  Speaker 1: absolutely trying to find out about where Bobby Wagner is at,
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  Speaker 1: where a guy like Chandler Jones is at, because right
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  Speaker 1: now you need to start playing better football. More on
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  Speaker 1: free agency coming up in what the Jags could do
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  Speaker 1: at number one overall. After the tagging of Cam Robinson's
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour on Tinted Excel on Jaguars dot Com,
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  Speaker 1: j P Shadrick with Jeff Lagerman also this week, I
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  Speaker 1: don't I know you're a big social media guy. Lot
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  Speaker 1: following to a t every single day You're following Twitter.
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  Speaker 1: I know that NonStop at logs five six because you
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  Speaker 1: always respond and retweet everybody. You're You're that kind of
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  Speaker 1: guy all the time. Instagram is even more for you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So DJ Chark Tuesday puts out an Instagram story is
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  Speaker 1: what they called. It's the video portion of the top
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  Speaker 1: and tell me about. It's him running a couple of
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  Speaker 1: routes with Trevor Lawrence throwing him the ball at Bishop
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  Speaker 1: Kenning High School. Well, free agency starts next week. DJ's
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  Speaker 1: coming off, of course, a fractured ankle, still trying to
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  Speaker 1: think fully work his way back. But um, that's I
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  Speaker 1: think pretty notable with only a week to go before
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  Speaker 1: free agency. Notable from the standpoint of what he's with
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback. Does does that mean anything to you? Or
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  Speaker 1: is it just together? Look, a quarterback would like to
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  Speaker 1: throw the ball to some people, a wide receiver would
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  Speaker 1: like to catch the ball. Couldn't see who else was
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  Speaker 1: out there in the video from some people. But but
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  Speaker 1: what my point is is that we're reading into this
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  Speaker 1: too much. I think. So does it mean anything? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Come on, I mean, look at it's two guys that
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  Speaker 1: have a relationship, that both need to work at their craft,
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  Speaker 1: and here's an opportunity for them to throw the football together.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what's wrong with that? What I'd personally like
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  Speaker 1: to see DJ Chark back with his football team. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: But also there's got to be a number to be considered.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at a DJ over the
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  Speaker 1: last three years, he's had one good year in the
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  Speaker 1: last other two years he'ves had production that has been down,
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  Speaker 1: and also he's been injured. So it's not like you
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  Speaker 1: we gotta have DJ at all costs because he was
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  Speaker 1: thrown with Trevor Lawrence. Gotta have him, gotta have him. No,
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  Speaker 1: but having if Trevor, if they asked, hey, Trevor, what
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  Speaker 1: do you think of DJ? You really want him around,
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna go into It's gonna say, I want I'd
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  Speaker 1: like to have one of them. I want to have them.
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  Speaker 1: You take that under consideration, though, as a decision. As quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: you your quarterback want you have to say that. As
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  Speaker 1: a quarterback, you gotta want to team comes you and says, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, we got this guy right here, would
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  Speaker 1: you like to throw? You got to say that as
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  Speaker 1: a quarterback, and especially if he's your current teammate, you
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  Speaker 1: got all. You always have to be in the corner
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  Speaker 1: of your current teammates, regardless if deep down you maybe
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  Speaker 1: rather throw to a different guy, but you always back
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  Speaker 1: your guys, and your guys are the ones that are
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  Speaker 1: under contract, that you have a relationship with and that
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  Speaker 1: you've bawd with before. You have to back them first.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder what you know if he gets out to
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  Speaker 1: the marketplace on Wednesday at four o'clock. What And that's
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  Speaker 1: when free agency start starts. Is next Wednesday at four o'clock,
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  Speaker 1: which the the the cheating period. When is that a
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  Speaker 1: Funday begin that's Monday at It's Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday.
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  Speaker 1: And here we go, Yeah, so boast, there's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a lot of deals that are are gonna be struck
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  Speaker 1: already before Wednesday at four o'clock and DJ and here's
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  Speaker 1: the reality. The conversations are already happening. Okay. It's that
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  Speaker 1: the people aren't waiting, the agents and the players and
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  Speaker 1: the teams are not waiting okay until this legal tampering
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  Speaker 1: period or the official start of free agency to talk numbers.
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  Speaker 1: They can sit there and say that they are all
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  Speaker 1: they want. It's no different than what there's been two
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  Speaker 1: trades that have been executed with Seattle Seahawks sending Russell
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  Speaker 1: Wilson to the Denver Broncos and then also Carson Wentz
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  Speaker 1: being sent to the Philadelphia Eagles. Okay, so you think
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  Speaker 1: they're having a conversation about trading these guys, right, But
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  Speaker 1: then not having conversations with maybe an agent who has
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  Speaker 1: a guy that's coming up for free agency. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the combine was last week. Everybody's in the same city together,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, you know, and if I'm the passing by,
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  Speaker 1: if I'm d J Chard, I'm going free agency. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to, you know, be negative in
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  Speaker 1: any way. But as a player, you always want to
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  Speaker 1: get to free agency. The the way that you can
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  Speaker 1: maximize your paycheck, your value is by getting to free agency. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: it's not negotiating with one, it's negotiating with at least two.
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  Speaker 1: Is where you can find how high this the limit
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  Speaker 1: of the sky is being the limit, So how high
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  Speaker 1: is the ceiling? Well, get to free agency, get a
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  Speaker 1: couple of teams that start bidding for your services. It's
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  Speaker 1: not being before or it's not before free agency with
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  Speaker 1: one team that you're talking with, and so look and
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  Speaker 1: and here's the thing, And that's that's the thing to
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  Speaker 1: do if you're DJ. And there's nothing wrong with allowing
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  Speaker 1: a player to get the free agency because sometimes a
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  Speaker 1: conversation that a team might be having where the player,
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  Speaker 1: the player might have and the agent might have and
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  Speaker 1: away overly inflated opinion of the value of the player,
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  Speaker 1: and so the team sometimes has to say, hey, look,
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  Speaker 1: we really like player X, your guy, we love them,
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  Speaker 1: but we're just we just we're just not comfortable at
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  Speaker 1: that number. So let's get the free agency and then
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  Speaker 1: let's kind of see where we're at, you know. So,
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  Speaker 1: I mean there's a couple approaches, and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: it is dependent upon where the team is at before
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  Speaker 1: free agency with a guy like DJ, and then also
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  Speaker 1: where DJ and his camp at is at before free
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  Speaker 1: agency exists, where their expectations are, and who else is
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  Speaker 1: out there in free agency too at the position. That's
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  Speaker 1: because there's always a peck and order and there's a
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  Speaker 1: value that's assigned in free agency to, you know, based
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  Speaker 1: upon who's available. You know, I'd love for this football
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  Speaker 1: team to be able to keep DJ, but if it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't happen, it's not the end of the world. Like
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  Speaker 1: I said, I think it was last week, you JP.
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  Speaker 1: Um Wide receiver is the one position that every year
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  Speaker 1: the draft has a bunch of them that come out,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm talking has a bunch of them that come
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  Speaker 1: out that are productive guys that might be the most
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  Speaker 1: plentiful position year in and year out in the draft
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  Speaker 1: that there is. Can you think of another not quite
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  Speaker 1: like that, because everybody's throwing the ball and all the
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  Speaker 1: good athletes are somehow touching the ball, you know, through
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  Speaker 1: little league, et ceter It's not like they're grooming these
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  Speaker 1: great athletes to play left tackle or you know, play
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  Speaker 1: defensive van. They touched the ball and most of them
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  Speaker 1: are touching the ball as a quarterback or a wide
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  Speaker 1: receiver putting ahead, Well, come back in just a Momentally
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  Speaker 1: here from Bucky Brooks will also take a look at
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  Speaker 1: the decision to not, at least right now go with
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  Speaker 1: an executive vice president r new now rule later. The
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  Speaker 1: inner to win a trip to Canton, Ohio as the
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  Speaker 1: Jags take on the Las Vegas Raiders and the jags
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: first ever Pro Football Hall of Famer Tony Boselli is enshrined.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: We're often running itast Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: Digital Network. You want to weigh your options. If I
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: have this player and that player, do I like that option?
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Better than Okay, I can take this draft pick and
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: another player. So it's almost like, um, what's the claim
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: price is right? Showcase? Show now, wenity which one that
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: you want? Um? You get you get to figure out
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: which one that you wanted in And so that's what
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: you're doing in the office. You're trying to figure out, Okay,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: what gives us the best opportunity to hit all the
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: needs and all of the things that we must address
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: for the best personnel. And obviously after doing the Eve saluation,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Cam Robinson was in that picture. Because if you're Doug
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Peterson and you're trying to figure out what's the best
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: way for us to get this role? And do I
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: want to break in a newbie at left Taco? Do
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I want to go with someone who may have some
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: flaws because at least I know what those are and
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: we feel confident enough that maybe we can mask some
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: of those efficiencies while getting the rest of the pieces
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: of the puzzle. Right now, That is Bucky Brooks from
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: a Huddle Up podcast yesterday, available now on the free
• 19:27
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• 19:31
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• 19:35
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• 19:37
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• 19:42
  Speaker 1: J P. Shadrick with Jeff Logerman. Glad you're along with
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: us today. Planning to get to that's of course, Cam
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Robinson talk continues. Yeah. So, by by the way, what
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: was everybody laughing with? Bucky said there and so he said, uh,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: it was one of four prices right references on the podcast. Yes, okay,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: that one was the natural first one, and that a
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: few that came after that. So Showcase Showdown, you get
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: to pick whichever one you want if you at the right.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: That's what he was referencing. Okay, now now I get it.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Help control the pet population, have your pet spade? Yeah,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: thank you, Bob, You're welcome. I guess it now. It's Drew.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I haven't watched it in a while. Okay, I know,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I knew that, but I haven't watched it and forever
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I'm usually at work at ten o'clock in the morning.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: He's got he's got this crazy hair do now really,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I mean compared to the Drew carry ball. But Barker
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: is still alive. I think I don't know. That's a
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: great question, like he's like the super executive producer emeritus
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: or something, which he you know, probably owns the whole thing. Now.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Used I used to laugh when the people that were
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: so excited we tried to hug try to hug him, right,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: you know, and they win something. He'd be like, stay
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: away from me, people run down the aisle. Yeah, right, hilarious.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: All right, So from cameras in the conversation we had
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: in the opening segment here, and we heard from Bucky
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: there to the people making the decisions about Cam Robinson
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: the headlines. Early last week at the Combine Well, Jack's
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: owner Shot Cohn was pausing the e v P search.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: He said he likes what he's seen so far with
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: the organization between Peterson and Balky, not that it won't
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: be revisited later, but not right now. For the Jaguars.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: It's really just one last guy in the kitchen with
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: the draft a month and a half away. That's my
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: thought of it. Doug Peterson reacting to it on Radio
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Row last week, that means a lot. It means, you know,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: it means the world that that he has the the
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: we have the support, I should say, Trent and I
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, and listen, it was it
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: was a it was an evaluation process too. For for
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: for Shot, he he wanted to see how Trent and
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I would would work and get along for the last
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks and just that and then just kind
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: of going through the process too and coming to the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: fact and realization that you know, he really supports Trent
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: and I. And that's that's the part that makes you
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  Speaker 1: feel good that he's kind of turning some things over
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  Speaker 1: to us and and letting us, letting us run the
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  Speaker 1: football side of it. And and that's really what you
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: want from a from a GM and a head coach
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  Speaker 1: to to make those types of decision, not to say
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  Speaker 1: that we can't um you know. Add I like to
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: call it talent. You know, we do the same thing
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  Speaker 1: with the roster, and we can do the same thing
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: with personnel. So, Jeff Flagman, what do you think about
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: the decision and the reaction from the head coach? Well,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: first off, I think if you have a structure to
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: where the GM is over the coach or the coaches
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: over the GM, where you have something that's very clear
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: that I think, then you don't need an e v P.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: But I think with the way that that this is
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: set up to where you have a GM that reports
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: to owner and then you have a head coach that's
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: hired by ownership too, that are kind of parallel, I
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: guess you could say on the on the flow chart
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: and when you have an owner who's not here on
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: a day to day basis. I'm a fan of having
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: an e v P. And the reason why, I think
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: is that you hold one person accountable and we'll we're
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: worked this way. Absolutely, it could work. This way could
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  Speaker 1: work brilliantly, and I think there's a lot of different
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  Speaker 1: ways to have success. My only concern is is that
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  Speaker 1: in the past, what has worked is when you've had
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  Speaker 1: an e v P. What hasn't worked is when you
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  Speaker 1: haven't had an e v P with Mr Connors being
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  Speaker 1: the owner. So, I mean, I'm a fan of the
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: e v P. It worked one year, correct, one year, right,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: and then how many years was coughlin here? I think
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: it was like three two? Yeah, almost three am right,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: But the reality is that that was the best year
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: you ever had and that was the year you had
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: an e v P. So I'm just I'm a fan
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: of the e v P and uh and I just
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: believe that with with this organization, with where it's at
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: and the lack of success that it has had for
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: the past decade, that that's what this organization needs. So
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: there's a month and a half to the draft. I mean,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: don't need it right now. Another person in that room too,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: you know. Brian Sexson said this on Jaguars Reporters the
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: other day. They made a lot of sense. Why they're
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: still trying to figure out each other, the quarterback, the offense, everything,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Why at this point bring in another person into that
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: whole scenario. They have to learn everything back over again.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: All all these interactions and conversations have to start over again. Well,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I think that's assuming that that the e v P
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: is going to insert, you know, him or herself into
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: the conversation, and I think that's the wrong assumption. I
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: think an e v P can just sit back and
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: evaluate the performance of those two people, of the head
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: coach and of the general manager, and then can also
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: be a person that when you have, uh what's the term,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: when you have a group decision, when you come to consensus,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: that that's just another person to add to consensus. And
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: for example, they're talking about maybe adding an assistant general manager. Okay, well,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: what how would that be different from the executive vice
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: president having maybe an input in there. I'm also not
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: a big fan of adding an assistant general manager into
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: that equation either, not when you have two people reporting
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: directly to ownership, I'm not a big fan of having
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: an assistant general manager enter that equation as well. I'll
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: say I think that approach about the executive vice president
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: role being involved and being there all the time is
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: because Tom Coughlin was the most involved human you could
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: ever have in that role. I think, always around and
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: his hands around everything, and in some respects, I think
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: there is you know, somebody that, like Tom, had his
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: hands all over the coaching aspect of it, but he
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: didn't have his hands all over some other aspects of it.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: That's one extreme. I also think that you know, an
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: executive vice president, you know, give an example last year
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  Speaker 1: which you know, here's a situation that didn't work last
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: year because you had a lack of kind of communication
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: going on. You know, we had a we had a
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: scrimmage and television broadcast and and and you know that
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: scrimmage didn't get put on television because there was a
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: delay and a move of the schedule. Why I think
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: if there's it just facilitates to where everybody can row
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: in the same direction. And so to speak, when you
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: have somebody that's in that role, and whether it's a
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: an e v P or whether it's a an executive
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: vice president with in communications, that's a link to football
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: in the business side, because you know, the one thing
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: that an organization has to have is that everybody has
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: to be moving in the same direction, because football has
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: to be able to work with with ticketing, with marketing,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: with public relations. I mean, all of that has to
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: be able to work together. And I think that that
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: there's different ways to achieve that, but there's a lot
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: of don't want to say there's different ways to achieve that.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: E v P is one way, but then also you know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: making sure that you have the structure of the structure
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: of the organization set up properly. And and last year
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I think that some things got out of whack that
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: we're kind of conceded with urban Meyer and the way
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: that things were designed, and it didn't work for the organization.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: And I think there needs to be changed and some
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: of it has already been instituted to make the organization
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: back to where it should be. Row row row your boat.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Seriously down the St John's look at football and a
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: lot of people will sit there and say, well, look,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: if if you have a good football side of things
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: and then and then you win, everything takes care of yourself. Yeah. Sure,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I mean because the New England Patriots. But here's the
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: real New England and that's the whole point, who have
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: been incredibly successful over the years. They also have a business, marketing,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: public relations. I mean, all the people that are kind
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: of around football worked together with football to make sure
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: that every thing is for the betterment and for the
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: best thing for the franchise. And and last year things
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: got changed a little bit when Urban was hired, and
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: so things are going back to being a little bit
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: more conventional as they should be and we'll see where
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: it goes. But look it to say that everything is
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: working great right now, I think it's a little soon
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: to make that evaluation because it's been three or four
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: weeks March ten. Yeah, everybody is working and doing great
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: at this time of year. Football seriously, yes, right, this
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: is when it's supposed to be together and it's all
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: you know, it's all gonna be great. The reality is
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: that this is the easy time of year. There there
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: is no challenges this time of year. The challenges begin
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: when winning and losing is starting to be kept track of.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: And if you're not winning, then okay, well then things
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: get challenging. Okay, well then how are you doing that?
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Because that's where it gets difficult, and this is not
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: an easy game. Win. That's when it goes on your
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: permanent record, and that's when jobs are one and lost,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: and that's when it gets real for sure. I know
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: you're excited for the daily play schedule coming up. I'm
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: always excited. I like I like a live music, a
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: lot of great shows. I saw a live show the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: other day. Really I was I went out to the
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: players and I pray Kelsey Ballerina Ballerini and she was fantastic,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: very nice. So you're you're often running on your concert
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: sched Yeah, I'm I'm big well coming up Brothers Osborne
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: April eight, Little Dirk April nineteenth, Tim McGraw and May five,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Erica Badoo on May six, Goody Mob is gonna be
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: there too, and then two Nights of the Loom in
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: the years May seventeenth and eighteenth. Yeah, see, yeah, and
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: two nights of them. That's that's a really good show.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: There Daily's Place dot com for more information. And that's
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: not all. There's plenty ahead in June and July already.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: If you could go to one of those, if you
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: had your choice to go to one of them, would
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: you pick Tim mcgrawl. You know, I've never been to
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: any of them, so maybe a Luminear show. I've never
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: seen them. Yeah, did come down to Tim mcgrawl or
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: the Luminars for me? Yeah, I'd probably picked the lumin Ears,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: you know, just just because it's a little something different. Yeah, yeah,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: they're all. It's obviously a fantastic venue, so check it out.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: The weather, you know, not great this weekend so far,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: but hey it's covered. You got a roof there, don't
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: worry about that. Rain or shine shows at Daily's Place.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Plenty ahead. We're back in a moment, Well lives, we're
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: gonna tell You're gonna tell us what the Jags will
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: do at number one. Overall we're gonna get an answer
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: out of it. We're gonna hear from Trimp Balky and
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: CBS sports analyst Charles Davis, And this is Jaguars Happy
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network. Our goal is to
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: win football games. But we're gonna do it one player,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: one coach, one person in the organization at the time.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: And to our fans, listen, I know you've been through
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: a lot. It's been through a lot, but that's about
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: to change. I'm not going to settle for anything less
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: than a championship caliber championship caliber team. Is a preview
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: of The Hunt. It airs tonight's seven o'clock on the
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Jaguars YouTube Channel. Episode one. Yeah, I think it's gonna
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: be really really. First of all, the the original The
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Hunt which was last year with with Urban Meyer and
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: not to have. First of all, it was outstanding as
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: far as the amount of acts years ago started two
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: years ago, but last year they had it also right,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: but the amount of access that they were allowed to
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: have in the behind the look, I mean that that's
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: the kind of stuff that you want to watch, you know,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: to feel like you're getting a glimpse into the inner
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: workings of a franchise and your team. And I think
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: it's awesome and it takes a lot of what's the
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: right word. It takes a lot of commitment from people
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: that do do the actual filming, etcetera, and then go
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: through all of it and then also to be able
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: to get it approved and then also the access that
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: has to be allowed from the coach, the general manager, etcetera.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: That's cool stuff. Yeah, I mean it's a two way street.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: And yeah, give those guys across the hall of the
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: football side a lot of credit because they're opening the
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: doors and opening it up a little bit and which
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: is cool to see. It's not access that I can.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I'll watch them, right, and it's really it's absolutely watch them.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: There'll be a number of episodes throughout the off season
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: building up to training camp in the start of the
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: regular season, so check them out on Jaguars dot com
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: when the archive and live on YouTube. Well. And one
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: thing that will help that the NFL has dropped all
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: of the COVID protocols, which is the probably some of
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: the biggest news that we haven't talked about yet. I
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: the other day actually met last first round running back
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: in person for the first time. Yeah. What a nice guy.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: And he's he's in great shape, he's confident, he's moving around,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: he's eager and ready to get But interactions like that
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: you haven't had in two years. I haven't been able to.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I met Jamal agg Knew the other day exactly like
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I didn't see him last year. That's that's how it's been.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: And I and I got I got a chance to
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: meet Etn last year because he was hurt and then
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: maybe I violated a protocol I don't know by talking
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: with him. But but I mean now that that all
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: of the protocols have essentially been dropped, I mean it's
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: now maybe we get back to a little bit of
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: normalcy from our standpoint, which also will help from a
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: fan access standpoint because now some of the things that
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: you normally get this have seen in the past, you'll
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: be able to see some of them again. Let's hear
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: from Jaguars general manager Trent Balky at the combine last week.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: The Jaguars, of course have the number one overall pick,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: and the question, at least when he was standing on
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: the podium, is is it possible that you make the
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: pick or trade out. Well, you're always open for business now,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: whether you're gonna be able to move it or we're
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: gonna be able to move it or not. But we're
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: very comfortable taking the pick as well. You know, you've
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: got to be prepared for anything in this league. So
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: to say we won't shop it is probably uh not correct,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: But to say we will is probably not either. So
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: we're gonna see what comes and if if something comes
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: our way and it makes sense to us, will make
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: that decision at that time. Trader Trent. He has a
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: little bit of a track record of dealing some players
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: pre draft back in San Francisco and his days there,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: but never the number one pick. A little different this year.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: There's not really a top tier quarterback, elite quarterback prospect
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: that you see a lot of times that teams are
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: clamoring to move up to try to get that. Said,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: if you had that, you'd be sitting perfect, absolutely right,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: because you're not. You're not sitting perfect because of that situation.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, in a perfect scenario, because you already have
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, there would be a clear cut quarterback at
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: the top of the draft, and there's a number of
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: teams right now that would be willing to give up
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: a king's ransom to be able to get a franchise
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: type quarterback in the draft, and so that would be
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the perfect scenario. But that doesn't exist. The top players
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: at the draft are essentially the edge rushers and left tackles.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: So what does that mean for you? You could still
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: potentially trade back, but you're not going to get the
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: hall of draft picks that a quarterback would give to
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: you or allow you to get. So do you consider it, Well,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: you have to consider it, but you would have to
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: kind of change the mindset of what it would be
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: worth because it's not a quarterback. If you're going to
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: trade back, you would have to settle for less than
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: a quarterback ransom because quarterback ran him is what a
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: couple of first rounders usually. So do you still consider it? Absolutely? Yeah? Absolutely?
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: For business? He said, well, you have you have to
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: be in and you don't. You wouldn't want to go
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: so far back that you would fall out of what
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: would be the top three, four, five, somewhere in that range.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: And could somebody want to move up to get that
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: tops pick? Maybe? Uh. I think it's gonna be interesting
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: to watch, but my guess is is that nobody's gonna
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: be willing to pay the price to move up for
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: that spot. The Jaguars end up picking up one. Okay,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: then general manager Jeff Lockman, it's March ten. Who are
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars picking at number one overall? Right now? Film
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: behind j G M. Jeff here behind. If I was
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: a GM, I would be way behind. I'm just saying,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: but in this exercise, you're the general manager and you're behind.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: But we need to pick from you right now. I'll
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: let you know that pick next week. Wait a minute,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: that's next week. I can tell you that. Uh the
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: defensive end, Aiden, the left tackle from Alabama? Which is
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: your guy? JP? I mean looked Aiden Hutchinson is his name?
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Defensive end? Yes, and his dad played pro ball. Right
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: away For a minute there, I was like, is that
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Steve Hutchinson's son, Because I mean, sometimes names kind of
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: stick in your mind. But he's a He's a heck
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: of a player. He's got a lot of numbers to
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: support where he's been at and got great motor. The
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: the other defensive end, from what I understand, didn't exactly
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: endear himself to folks at the combine. Cavon Thibodeau correct
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  Speaker 1: from Oregon. He said he was he wanted to be
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Jadeveon Clowney. I don't know if that's a great comparison. Well,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I think he didn't finish some of the drills from
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: what I understand, done only a few of them and
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: then stopped. Yeah, it's that that's not a good look.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: It's not a good look, but it's not you know,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: if he had a legitimate reason to to to stop,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: then maybe it was a smart decision. But I think
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting. And there's a lot of players
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: at the top, and from from reading all the experts opinions,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: they say that this draft is a very deep draft,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: and that's a good thing because this football team has
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: a large number of holes to fill at multiple positions.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: A lot of picks too, not a lot of them
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: in the sixth round, but a lot of picks. Yeah,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: you tho, you got to try to find a way
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: to trade some of those to move up because sixth
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: round picks a lot of times are just they haven't
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: been very worthy. You mentioned Aiden Hutchinson and last week
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: on Radio Row at the NFL Scott and Combine, CBS
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Sports and NFL Network analyst Charles Davis sat down with
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Ashland Sullivan and John Osier and gave his assessment of
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: the Michigan defensive end. When I watch Aiden Hutchinson play
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: and we start comping things. I'm very careful about not
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: just trying to stereotype this player. He's a high motor,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: try hard. Look, this kid's technical aspects with hands reminds
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: me of the Bossa Brothers in a big way, because
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: that's where they win. There are such technicians when everything
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: they do and then oh, by the way, they're tremendous athletes.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: People forget that because we always want a stereotype. Different
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: path rushers and is he twitchy enough? We went through
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: that with Joey Bosa. I remember him coming out in
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: the draft froom like, I don't know, maybe he's maybe
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: instead of a double digit, is he only a sixt eight?
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: He's a double digit? Right? And he's a pro bowler.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Every year Nick Bosa came back off the knee injury,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: he was double digit sacks this year. I think Aidan
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Hudges is the same type of a player. Charles Davis
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: one of the really great analysts in the game on Sundays,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: certainly in now NFL Network leading into the draft, and
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: that's just thought of of Hutchinson, Who's yeah, I want
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: to see that a lot. I want to see I
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: want to see Hutchinson with my own eyes before I
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: start comparing him to the Bosa Brothers, because I can
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: tell you this when when you when you watched the
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Bossa Brothers, there was nobody and that I remember coming
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: out in the last decade that had the technical aspect
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: of the game down like the Boasta Brothers. So to
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: say that he's comparing them to the Boasta Brothers, and
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I was trying to say, I don't want to compare them,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: but he was okay. But I'm trying to say he wasn't,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: but he was okay. That's that's pretty Uh, that's pretty
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: lofty stuff. The one guy that that I remember watching
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: and is the defensive end for Cleveland Browns Jason Garrett,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. I mean, so he's yeah, that's a different
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: guy when when you watched him, there was not even
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: a question that he was worthy of the first pick
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: of the draft. I mean it wasn't even close. And
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: so is Aidan Hutchinson at that level? I don't think so. Uh.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: And and I gotta watch a lot more on it.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I've only watched just you know, the little highlight kind
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: of stuff. But we need you to dig into the
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: film that a film that are you gonna do that?
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: And stuff? It's always my March thing Jaguars. Okay in March,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Well it's March tenth. I know. That's what I'm saying. Okay, starting,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, come on, the drafts coming up. We need answers.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: The draft is win. You got a lot of excuses.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: The draft is we want answers. By the way, JP,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: if you were, if you were picking, okay, who are
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: you taking? There's two top tackles. Kana is the guy
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: from NC States. The more I read about him, he
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: had a really good combine. Who are you taking? Homer?
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Neil looked pretty. Uh, he didn't work
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: out the other day at the combine. He's waiting for
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: his pro day. Why why didn't he work out? Well?
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't I didn't ask him. Well,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I'm asking, are you gonna? Would you knock him? Would
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: you give him a negative merit? Would you give him
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: a negative for not working out the common He doesn't
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: get a gold star anymore, so you would you would
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: mark him. I didn't say that. You said, no, I'm
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: asking you. I'm answering you. That's not an answer. No,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: he's fine, you know, the more I see Kwanu and
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: some of that stuff, that's cool. I'm down with that. Okay,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I'm down with that. I'm cool. Next seven pancakes. Last year,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: it's March ten. I'm with you, your Alabama guy. You
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: should be able to spit out all kinds of things,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: facts and figures and factoids about the guy. Guys really good,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: making a case for him being number one overall. Was
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: going to ask you a question, and ask you a question,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: hit me, okay if you okay, because I know you're
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: an Alabama guy. You always say that, okay, okay. You
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: watch every Alabama game is home to damn everyone. If
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: I can dev art and then watch it later. It
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: depends Camer Robinson or this young man at Alabama now
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: who's got a higher sailing, higher ceiling. Probably the guy
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: coming out right now, I think because we've seen what
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Cam is, and Cam is very good, okay, but I
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: think this guy has a little brings up a great point.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Okay in the long run, absolutely, because what Cam is
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: is a one year tag. So are you looking to
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: have a left tackle to protect the franchise quarterback for
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: a one year a one year basis? Are you looking
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: for somebody to protect him for his career. Excellent point,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: and so I mean that's that's got to be something
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: that you think about when you think about, Okay, do
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I draft a left tackle or do I draft this
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: pass rusher from Michigan who's the highest rated edge rusher,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: but he doesn't have the freakish skill set of a
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. It's an interesting conversation, and we'll have weeks
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: upon weeks to delve into a little bit more. We'll
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: return with massive quarterback news around the NFL logs, and
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I mean massive, a lot of draft picks flying around.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I think one of the most interesting things was the
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: response by Aaron Rodgers after not being the topic of
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: conversation him of of quarterbacks in Denver, Aaron Rodgers, and
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: he he likes to be talked about, you think. And
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: if he's not being talked about, he likes to make
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: himself or to insert himself so that he can be told.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Guess what we're gonna talk about him when we come back.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: It's Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network. Welcome
• 44:21
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• 44:25
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• 44:37
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• 44:53
  Speaker 1: of the three training camp, were told welcome back j P.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Shadrick with Jeff Lagaman, we go around the night fell
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: We start though with some breaking news just moments ago,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport of NFL Network saying, at least according to sources,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: the Bears are closing in on a trade of pass
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: rusher Khalil Mack, trying to send him to the Los
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Angeles Chargers and exchange for prime draft pick compensation. Khalil
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Mack one of those guys we were talking about, um
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: the guy in Cleveland, of course, um offensive end Miles Garrett.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: We're talking about defensive ends here. Well, I mean he's
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: right in that wheelhouse. Kalil mac can play. Yeah, he's
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: a he's a good football player. I was pretty surprised
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: when he was traded to begin with. But that would
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: be uh, pretty big acquisition for for a team in
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: l A that's looking to create a little bit of
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: star power of their own right in that stadium. Compared
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: to the other team, they don't have a lot of
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: star power. But Khalil Mack once again, you know, we
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: were talking earlier about the amount of draft picks that
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Carson Wentz has been traded for in his career. Kalil
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: mac is starting to get right up there. If this,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: you know, goes through, He's starting to approach the Carson
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: went stuff good. Speaking of the massive quarterback news, well,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: three quarterbacks in the well, three big time named quarterbacks
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: in the news this week. Aaron Rodgers staying with the Packers,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Russell Wilson will be traded to the Broncos. Carson Wentz
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: traded to the Washington Commanders. I said mistakenly earlier Philly
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: and meant to say Washington. I had the right conference,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: in the right division vision, but the right team he
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: was with the start of his career. I wouldn't trade
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: for Carson Wentz, you would not, absolutely not. I thought
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: his performance down the stretch last year was dismal. I
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: will tell you this. So I get off the plane
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: in Indianapolis at the Combine, I get in the Uber
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: to go to the hotel. I have a Jaguar shirt
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: on the Uber driver. This is ten o'clock at night.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Is like you guys, Rectus in Week eight team like
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Colts Fan whatever, and the whole organizations, like everybody, his
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: mind is just messed up right now. And a few
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: people I talked to around Indie Media Center fans, it's
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: the same narrative the whole time, and now you're seeing it.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, Carson Wentz played awful in that game in
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Week eighteen. He played just awful in that game. In
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: the games that were prior to the game here, he
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: was also awful. When you you go back and you
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: look at his performance at critical junctures of the season
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: and of games, is when he was at his worst.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: And that's a problem. That's a problem. And for the
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: longest time, many people thought that Frank Wright was the
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: perfect marriage and it was gonna get Carson Wentz back
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: to be in one of this magical young great quarterbacks
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: who's gonna be, you know, one of the great ones
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: in the league. And that's not happening. I can tell
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: you this why I wouldn't trade for him, because Frank
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Wright knows him better than anybody else. And if he's
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: willing to trade them for essentially a third round pick,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, I understand that that the Washington football team.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: What is it now that they're the Commanders. Commanders now, okay,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback for the most part, but why
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: would you want to have him? So they took the
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: whole salary to about that million, right million for a
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: guy that when it comes to crunch time, here's lunches
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: up in a little pieces. It may not have been
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Frank Reich's final call in Indie, the way things work
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: in Indian Oh, trust me, Frank was on board with that. JP.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: That ain't a general manager only call everybody. Everybody's in
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: the hot seat all the time. It feels like I
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: can tell you that that's a that's a consensus decision
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: right there. And when Frank saw his boy wet his
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: pants last season, that was all she wrote. Good night
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: and good luck um. By the way, a f C
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks now a true arms race pun intended, of course,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: a f C East Mac Jones to a Zach Wilson,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen, the South Trevor, Ryan Tannehill, Houston and Indie
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: tb d. The North Borough Jackson Mayfield, Pittsburgh's trying to
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: figure it out. The West Mahomes, Wilson, Carr, Herbert. What
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: that might be the best division in the a f
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: C South might be the worst. I mean it is
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: only March ten. There's just I'm just telling you the
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: AFC South right now is the might be the worst division.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: So my point is, is it with Trevor this team
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: has a great opportunity to make some very quick games
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: because the rest of the teams in this division are lacking.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: All Right, that's our show. Well, it's good to see it.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: It's all by the way, get on the film and
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: watch the over. March is almost over. That's a Brent
• 49:55
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