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Episode - 8 Claimed. Trained. Owned. – Part 2: From Infidelity to Intimacy (w/Lindsey and Phillip) · The Bull Brotherhood

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go. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another
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episode of the Bull Brotherhood Podcast. I am
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the one and only Brian Morgan, the Sigma male
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himself, coming at you with my podcast team,
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the lovely Siren. Say hello. Hello. And her partner
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in crime, her husband, the philosophical one,
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Socrates. What's good, John? Ladies and gentlemen,
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tonight we are doing a continuation of last week's
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podcast where we had my family who are back with
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us tonight, the lovely Lindsay. Say hello. Hello.
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And my dog, big dog, her husband, Phillip. What's
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good, Phillip? How are you doing? I'm doing good,
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brother. As I said, tonight is a continuation
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of last week's podcast where we kind of shut
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it down as my boy Socrates had a bunch of questions
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that he was going to ask Phillip and Lindsey.
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So tonight, I'm going to turn it over to Socrates
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and Siren. I'm kind of taking the night off,
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but I'll be here to answer and to tune in if
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needed. So I'm going to turn it over to Socrates.
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Go ahead, Big Bo. Yeah, so, you know, we were
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just kind of getting into Lindsey and Philip's
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dynamic, and, you know, I just had a lot of questions.
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So first, let's kind of recount. So you guys
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were in a relationship where Lindsey was at work,
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and she was having messenger conversations with
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a black man at her job. And Philip was eavesdropping
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on that, right? Correct. And you didn't say anything
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to her for a long time, right? Oh, probably three
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or four months, maybe, of that going on. Yeah,
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that's a long time to me. It's amazing self -control.
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Oh, yeah. Oh, wait a minute. It was, like I said,
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it was rough. for a while you know i was going
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back and forth back and forth you know do i confront
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her or him and or i just keep this going on and
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see how far it goes and so like i said it was
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uh it was an emotional time because you know
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how we had been married for 20 years and here
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she is starting with this guy you know so it's
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not like you know when you're married you talk
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to other people Hell, I've talked to other women
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before, but, you know. What? What? But not to
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that extent, you know. Yeah, so what was going
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through your mind? Like, when you first discovered
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it, like, take me through what you were feeling
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and thinking, because, you know, most monogamous
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couples, you know, that's when all hell breaks
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loose, right? So take me through your thought
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process. I think it was, part of it was me knowing
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something she didn't. And that was kind of what
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drove it. You know, it wasn't like a big, a deep
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anger. It was more of, you know, this is kind
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of interesting because I'm seeing or reading
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kind of like a different side of her, if that
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makes sense. she was you know the flirting and
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back and forth i can tell she was excited which
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kind of made me excited because it was reawakening
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her that makes that that makes sense oh yeah
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and even hell our sex life got even better during
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that period um because hell i would be thinking
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about her with him as i was sure and she didn't
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know that no um you know that went on for you
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know three or four months until i finally just
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got to a point where i kind of suspected it was
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going to go further than just them talking and
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he was pushing it like he would uh he would send
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her links like hey check this video out you know
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it was a you know black dude fucking a white
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chick you know And, you know, I sit there and
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watch the video. I'm like, okay, that's pretty
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hot. But, you know, it was just, he was pushing
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it further and further. They worked at different
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ends of the building. So he had no real business
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being at her end of the building. And he was
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trying to conspire with her, like, yeah, let's
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come up with an excuse. I can come visit you
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in your office and we'll close the door. And,
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you know, that whole thing. And that's where
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I finally got to the point of like, okay, I need
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to confront these two before. Yeah, before it,
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oh, okay, yeah, before something actually goes
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through, right? Yeah, something actually goes
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down, so. And that's where I showed up at her
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work, and I texted, I think, both of you guys.
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Yeah, I told you to come out to the parking lot.
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And, you know, of course, she was like, what
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the hell's going on, you know? Was he like bowing
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up? I can't remember. He tried to a few times.
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But of course, the worst part was the fact of
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that he's out there by the smoke shack. So every
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person that works there is like hanging out,
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walking by. And I'm administrative staff. So
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I walk out and I'm like, oh, shit. What the F
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is going down? And so I walk out there and they're
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talking before I even get out there. And I can
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see some posturing, some weird business going
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on. I'm not even sure. I'm like, oh, my God.
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Oh, my God. Somebody has tapped into my. Yeah,
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she knew she was busted at that point. Oh, wow.
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You know, and I didn't want to cause a scene
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in front of any of the employees. You know, that
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was my biggest thing. Unless it had to go, you
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know, all these spots go through your head like.
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Oh, I'm going to get her back. You know, it's
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the jealousy part, right? Like, oh, I'll fuck
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her up and get her in trouble at work, you know,
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because that's where she was working. There would
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be, you know, anywhere if something like that
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goes on property, you know. But I didn't go that
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far. I just basically told them, hey, you need
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to leave. Stop texting her, messaging her, all
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this business. And that's where. the two of us
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but we go we i mean it was every night sitting
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on the front porch talking you know arguing you
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know whose fault is it you know that whole thing
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you know it's whatever and we start you know
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we work through it because that's what we do
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you know after we calm down okay let's regroup
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get back together and talk about this And what
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made you want to do this? I started asking her,
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is this something you want to try? I was like,
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I had no idea how people get in the lifestyle
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or what the lifestyle, I had no idea what the
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lifestyle was. I knew people out there did extra
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curricular activities. Mine for me was just the
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new oncoming of attention. Oh, I've been married
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for someone for 20 years. I have four children.
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I have a career. I am in a high -powered position.
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And oh my gosh, someone finds me attractive.
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What? Wait, what? So for me, that was the excitement
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of that someone showed me attention and made
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me feel, I don't want to sound shallow or stupid,
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but made me feel attractive or pretty. Thank
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you. Yeah, and that was the same for me. that
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someone else thinks my wife is looking hot you
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know and i'm sitting there going okay yeah i
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think that's pretty hot too that's why i liked
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that attention so you know so we talked and talked
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and talked is you know finally oh i don't know
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january i think because we'd sit out on the porch
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and we'd be freezing our ass off because we want
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to talk about this for the kids you know obviously
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so we'd sit out there and We'd have a little
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fire going on our fire pit and talk. And eventually
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I was like, okay, well, I'll give him a call
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and talk to him and say, hey, meet me here and
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I want something to talk to you about. Oh, she
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was nervous. She was so nervous about me even
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contacting. I get a mad yell because they had
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been avoiding you. I think at that point you'd
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been avoiding each other at work. Oh, God, yeah,
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like the plague. So, and it's not, you know,
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I knew, this is the thing, is I knew him. I knew
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him, his wife. We had met before, you know, and
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his kids. So it's not like it was a complete
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stranger. So I was a little bit more comfortable.
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I said, well, let's call him up and see if he's
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down because I knew he had talked to her. previously
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that him and or he and his wife had been in the
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watchtower before they had moved here so i had
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a lot of questions he may be able to answer and
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see if we can make this happen so we met at a
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bar and i guess i think i told this in the last
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podcast um that we sat there and talked till
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we had three or four beers and just because he's
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former military and for military how we talk
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military most of the time you know back and forth
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and uh you know i finally was like hey is this
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something you'd be willing to do he's like oh
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hell yeah because he's been after her since he
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he started working there and uh that's where
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i was like well she's just waiting at home i
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knew you were just nervous as hell right well
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yeah i mean The two years at a bar talking about
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me and about what I've been doing that was naughty
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business behind your knowledge. Yeah. And now
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I'm actually getting consent to do it. Holy crap.
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My God. Well, that's right. And she got there
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20 minutes later. Well, it's kind of interesting,
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too, because, you know, in, you know, the monogamous
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world, it's like people. you know, catch their
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spouse doing something like this. They freak
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out. It's usually a bad ending. Whereas Philip,
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you know, you were very wise, actually, in my
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opinion, is that you watched the situation. You
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saw how it could possibly benefit. You talked
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to your wife over, you know, the course of time.
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And then, you know, you were able to make a decision
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that would actually benefit everyone involved,
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you know, and I'm sure, you know, Lindsay, you
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probably were like. This is kind of crazy that
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I did something that some people would classify
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as wrong, and then it's actually having a positive,
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like, really fulfilling outcome. Well, yeah,
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and then on top of that, talking with Philip,
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after, you know, we kind of regrouped back, he
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was like, you have no idea. He was like, it's
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always been my fantasy to watch you with a Black
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man. I was like, what? What? What? Well, then
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you tell that. I mean, that was discussed prior
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to the meeting. And that's why I was like, is
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this something you would like to try? So I remember
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us talking about it prior to, you know, I was
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thinking about this. And since the last time
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we had a podcast, I was like, when did this kind
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of start for me? And I. can take it back to you
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know dad had a pile of porn mags you know that
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you find under the bed you know and dad's not
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home and some of them had you know this is like
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80s porn there was you know uh pictures of you
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know black guys with white chicks i was like
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oh man that's hot as hell you know uh as a teenager
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and then of course brian can confirm this seeing
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the movie taboo too Or, yeah, taboo two. And
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then there's black taboo two. Yeah, there's a
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black taboo. Where are these who moved? It's
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actually five taboos. Actually five. Can I just
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say that y 'all can, like, complete each other's
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sentences when you talk about this porn? I'm
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just saying. Yeah, maybe send us the link later.
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That's not really a black one. White one. The
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black taboo one is. And I remember seeing a night
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hat, and I was like, oh, man, you know, that's
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hot. So it was always there for me, you know.
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But I never thought it would be a reality, you
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know. And so that's what kind of led to that
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fantasy. But I think another problem with a lot
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of couples is, say, one catches one cheating.
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Immediately, they're fighting, and they want
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a divorce, and you got to keep me if you betrayed
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me. We had those emotions, but we were able to
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talk through that. And we knew, you know, we
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didn't want to split up. I mean, we got kids.
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We got a good family. Let's try and make this
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work and try it out. If it doesn't work, then
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we'll figure something else out, you know? Can
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I? That's where I want to know. Oh, go ahead.
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Go ahead. Go ahead. As you say, a lot of people
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can't do that because of societal norms. You
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know, you can't do that. That's wrong. You know,
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this is not something that's normal. You know,
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they would rather see people split up instead
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of staying together and doing something that's
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going to make them both happy. So what's the
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magic sauce, brother? You know, I've sat there
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and watched families be destroyed because of
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this. What got you guys past the, okay, well,
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like you said, I'm gonna get a divorce and, you
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know, take everything I got and, you know, split
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up and, you know, you start arguing with the
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kids, all that kind of stuff. So what got you
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guys past that? So... I'm going to answer this
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a little bit, and then he'll probably pick up
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back into the conversation. So I'm going to tell
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you, I think a lot of this that helped us through
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it, number one is communication. I mean, like
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he said, we sat on the front porch. We were freezing
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our cojones off. We had a little heat out there.
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I mean, we would stay out there for hours on
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end talking about different things. And then
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listening to him, hearing his views, and hearing
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how he felt. In my brain as what I do and who
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I am, I thought I need to educate myself. I need
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to find avenues. I need to figure out that I'm
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not the only person out there that has these
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feelings or these thoughts or these moments of
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feeling insecure or maybe I feel jealous or maybe
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like he feels jealous. So we started listening
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to podcasts, which are amazing, of course. And
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then I kind of jumped into the realm of listening
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to books on audiobooks. What's it called? Audiobooks.
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Audiobooks. Thank you. Audible. I started listening
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to different books through there. And then when
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you listen to one, it will suggest another one
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and another one and another one. And every time
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I listened to one, I kind of would start writing
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down notes and I would start. thinking and toying
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with ideas and questions I would have for him.
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And I would say, well, listen to this. What do
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you think about this? I even jumped into some
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books that really focused on feeling jealous,
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which is a huge aspect, I want to say, especially
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for women. Because feeling jealous when it comes
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to sharing someone that you love. You have to
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understand jealousy is normal. If people tell
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you, I've never been jealous. I've never felt
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that. They're a damn liar. But understanding
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where the jealousy comes from. What am I feeling?
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Where is this centered? What is it that I'm feeling
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insecure about right now? In this moment, what
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do I feel bad about for myself? And how am I
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projecting this upon somebody else? And how am
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I responding to it? So, like, just self -education
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is huge, I think, when it comes to lifestyle.
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I don't know. What else? I mean, take over, babe.
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You weren't. Neither one of you. Let me say this
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right quick. Neither one of you were afraid to
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go there with each other. You didn't want to
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lose what you have. Okay. And you decided that,
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look, this is bigger than just, you know, I'm
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talking to somebody else and, you know, Phillip,
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you listening and stuff like that. You guys both
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had fantasies. You both had fantasies. And you
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just had a window of opportunity there. And you
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were able to come together and be able to talk
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about it. Yeah, it was a little difficult at
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first, you know. Both of you, you upset Phillip
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a little bit. I know you were. And, of course,
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Lindsey, technically, you had fucked up. But
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both of you got together and found out, hey,
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this can be bigger. You know what I mean? We
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can turn this, instead of a negative, turn it
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into a positive. I really commend both of y 'all
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for that. And like I said, it made you guys closer.
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It made your marriage better. And now look at
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you. You guys have gone from that to being in
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the vanilla lifestyle and now over into the hot
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wifing. So I commend you. I commend you both.
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So let me ask you guys. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead.
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No, no, no. Go ahead. Well, I was going to ask
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if you guys were going to give some advice to,
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you know, people that are in your situation.
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There's a lot of couples that start this journey
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with. some kind of infidelity on some level.
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And even if it's just conversation or what they
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call emotional cheating, right? So what advice
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would you give couples in that situation, you
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know, to kind of get over the hump and at least
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land where, you know, you guys landed if they
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want to, right? The thing that worked for us,
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I mean, of course, the first year was pretty
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rough, I think, when we first started getting
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into it. Because there was, you know, obviously
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you're going to know that you said moments of
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jealousy. You feel insecure. You feel insecure.
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You question. Is, you know, emotionally why,
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you know, for example, there is a particular
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guy that we met and it seemed like they were
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texting like constantly all the time. I'm like,
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well, why do you guys have to text so much? You
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know? Besides, Hey, how you doing? That's all
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you really need. You know, I thought this was
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more of a physical thing. You know what I'm saying?
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And that took me a little while to get over.
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Cause they would sit there and chit chat about
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all kinds of crap. You know, I didn't at the,
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in the beginning, I was like, Oh man, you know,
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that needs to stop, you know, but that's something
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I worked through and it wasn't like, okay, she's
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going to leave me for this. Yeah. You know, I
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just need, we need to realize that. But as a
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couple, The big, the key thing is to, if you
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have an experience, if you decide to do it, is
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seriously talk about every aspect of it when
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it's done. Not just the physical stuff. What
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were you thinking? How were you feeling? You
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know, when you looked over at me, what were you
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thinking? You know, that type of stuff. And we
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had to work through that. What was the other
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part I was going to go to? oh because you know
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there was times we'd go to lifestyle events you
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know because i would you know want to hook up
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too you know so and she would she'd have a difficulty
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with that seeing me like making out with some
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other woman and that took her a while to get
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over that you know um so that's we've we've gone
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100 miles since then And also for an event, we
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would always pause. Like if we're there, we're
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going to do check -ins. And we learned that from
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another podcast is emotional check -ins. So we
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say we'd be somewhere like a house party. Okay,
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after half an hour, let's go outside. Just you
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and me talk about what you're doing, how you're
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feeling, that type of thing. Because some people,
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you go to some of these events, you've seen it.
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Couples are just, like, glued to each other.
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Like, they won't separate from each other. You
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can always spot them. You know, they don't want
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to get out of each other's company for whatever
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reason. Comfort zone. Comfort zone. Yeah. Yeah.
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And we're so beyond that. We'll go to an event.
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I haven't seen you for, like, two hours. I'm
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like, what the hell? I just ate, like, 50 chips
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over here. We're real bad. We both just bounce
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around because we're both social animals when
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it comes to. you know, the events. Yeah, and
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trust is a huge thing too as well. I mean, you
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have to be completely open and honest and you
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have to dump all the goods out there. You have
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to, like, just dump it. Regardless of how much
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you think it may hurt or how it may come across
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or how it may sound, you have to dump it. And
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you have to trust the person that you love knowing
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that they will accept you the way that you are.
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They will accept it. They will just hug you and
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embrace you and enclose you all around and say,
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it's okay. I accept you and this is okay. One
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thing, well, you were. I was just going to show
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an example of a scenario that we were in. I think
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we'd been doing it like a couple of years and
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we were in an event and I couldn't find her.
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I'm like, where the hell is she? You know, she
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just disappeared. And I think I end up calling
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your phone and she's getting fucked. She's on
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the phone with me. She's like, oh, I'm like,
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where the fuck are you? And she's like, I'm in
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the downstairs bathroom, you know, just bent
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over the fucking sink or whatever. Yeah. I was
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like, okay, have fun. I'll be out in the loft.
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I'll be at the bar. Come find me when you're
25:34
done, you know. But that's something, yes, some.
25:38
couples i don't think they could handle that
25:40
they would be emotionally just upset distraught
25:44
yeah and we would we'd been with couples that
25:48
was a hotel takeover the lindsey was i don't
25:55
know how we could discuss anything right okay
25:57
she's sucking his dick right and i'm with his
26:02
girlfriend and you know i'm going to town she's
26:07
over there and she looks over and just flips
26:11
out i mean she lost because she like rips this
26:15
necklace off of her neck and it was a necklace
26:19
yeah something he made for her something the
26:22
bees went everywhere the beads were all over
26:25
the bathroom i'm thinking oh my god i'm not gonna
26:27
make it back to my bed i'm gonna fall on these
26:29
damn beads but went everywhere she lost her shit
26:35
And I think the difference between us and maybe
26:38
another couple, another couple would just like,
26:40
we're out of here. They hit the door running.
26:44
Lindsay actually took her into the bathroom,
26:47
calmed her down, talked to her. You know, you
26:50
need to talk to me. What are you feeling? And
26:52
for me, and maybe it's because I'm a nurse and
26:57
maybe because it's personable, I put both my
27:00
hands on either side of her head. And I caressed
27:04
her face, and I looked straight into her eyes,
27:06
and I said, and it was very personal because
27:08
I'm very meaningful, and I don't say things I
27:13
don't mean. And if I say it, I fucking mean it.
27:16
That's how it is. It's so important to be that
27:20
type of person. And I told her, I said, just
27:22
tell me. It's okay if you want to leave, if you
27:27
feel bad. Like, just tell me. It's okay. But
27:30
realize. We both accept you. It's okay. How do
27:34
you feel? So, but she, she just, she was insecure
27:39
and she, she felt bad. Yeah. I think that was
27:42
their first thing. And they went to a lifestyle
27:44
takeover. I'm like, oh my God. And we ended up
27:48
talking to them. We, even after the event, they,
27:51
they called us and said, thank you for helping
27:54
us with that. Going through that. Yeah. Can you
27:57
guys share? Oh, sorry. Yeah. Can you guys share
28:01
what her initial concerns were or why she lost
28:06
it? Like what were, was it seeing, seeing you?
28:10
It was. Yeah. Seeing Lindsay go. Blessing him.
28:15
Yeah. Going down on him and his reaction. Cause
28:19
that's what the thing I like. I like looking
28:23
at Lindsay and seeing her face when she's going,
28:27
you know. But I could do it. Oh, but yes, I guess,
28:31
Lindsay, you know, she's whatever. You could
28:33
ask Brian. When I consume it, I consume it down
28:38
to the ball. Oh, my God. So, you know, I think
28:43
they were just dating at that. I looked over
28:45
and she just, she lost control. She emotionally
28:49
just broke down and like she said, grabbed it,
28:52
necklace and ripped it off and beads flying everywhere.
28:54
I'm like, I just stand back. you know he's like
28:58
what the he didn't see that coming you know but
29:01
we've been in a couple situations like that before
29:03
um and you know some people they would just like
29:07
screw that we're out of here you know so well
29:10
i think too when you're we've we've had i think
29:13
only one moment like that right something like
29:17
that was that the only one we had in the club
29:19
yeah and you don't even know that it's gonna
29:23
happen like you don't feel it coming on You know,
29:27
maybe you want to tell it, babe? I like the way
29:32
you tell it. Okay. So we were at a club that
29:36
we had been to a few times and really had enjoyed
29:39
ourselves. It was actually the first one we went
29:41
to together. And maybe this was like our third
29:45
or fourth time there. We'd had quite a few experiences.
29:48
And, you know, for us, full swap has always been
29:52
a little bit challenging. you know, just finding
29:55
that four -way connection. Well, it was towards
29:57
the end of the night, we kind of were like, we
29:59
didn't have, you know, it wasn't a really busy
30:01
night for us that night. And then we started
30:04
talking to this couple, like, towards the very
30:06
end, and then, you know, we're like, hey, do
30:08
you guys want to go play? And so, you know, first
30:11
we focused on her, and then we moved on to where
30:13
we were full swapping. And man, everything was
30:17
going great. She was riding Socrates, I was riding
30:21
her man, like... It was going great. Well, then
30:24
the guys flipped us over. They were, like, mirroring
30:26
each other, you know, like some... I don't know
30:29
if you've ever seen the end of Magic Mike, and
30:31
they have that whole mirror scene. Like, it was
30:33
kind of like that. So they're mirroring each
30:35
other, what they were positions they were putting
30:37
us in. And I was face down, ass up, so was she.
30:41
Socrates was on her, he was on me. It was going
30:43
great. I was really enjoying myself. And in the
30:47
beginning, we had a lot more rules and boundaries.
30:51
than we do now, and one of the things was that
30:55
I wasn't allowed to say, yes, sir, to anybody
30:58
else. So I'm face down, like, in this pillow,
31:02
just screaming and yelling and whatever, and
31:06
I say, yes. Socrates hears, yes, sir. And he
31:11
loses it. And he starts smacking me on the side
31:15
of my booty, and he's like, stop, stop, stop,
31:17
stop, stop. And I'm like thinking, what the heck?
31:19
What's going on? And then he's like, oh, oh,
31:22
just doesn't matter. Just doesn't matter. And
31:24
then he wraps a towel around himself and just
31:26
takes off. And the couple is like, what the fuck
31:29
just happened? And I'm like, well, the only thing
31:33
I can think of, I said, is that maybe he thinks
31:36
that I said something that I'm not supposed to,
31:39
but I don't quite know what that would be. So
31:43
I'm going to go talk to him. man, I had a great
31:46
time with you guys. And I'm sorry that it kind
31:49
of went sideways, but like, you guys are awesome.
31:51
You didn't do anything wrong. Like, you know,
31:53
everything will be fine, you know? So they were
31:56
just confused. And then I went and found him
31:59
and, you know, he just, I couldn't really calm
32:02
him down. So we just left. And, you know, then
32:05
the next, you know, the next day he, you know,
32:08
we went and got our McDonald's like we always
32:10
do after we go to a lifestyle thing. You know,
32:14
and he was just upset. And the next day, though,
32:18
he was like, I think I just had a moment of jealousy
32:21
where I realized how much I love you. And we
32:26
hadn't been dating that long. We were maybe like...
32:28
seven, eight months at that time. Well, since
32:33
we met. So we'd only been official for like two
32:35
or three months. So that was just a moment for
32:38
him where he thought he heard something and then
32:41
had the jealousy and realized, wow, it's actually
32:44
because I really fucking love this woman, not
32:47
because I'm just jealous of a couple words. And
32:51
going back to what Lindsey said, I was that guy
32:53
who said, I don't have any jealousy. And I would
32:56
tell all these stories of like, me not really
33:00
tripping about it. But when I did that... Like
33:03
you said, you don't expect those feelings to
33:06
come up in the moment. So when I saw it, I surprised
33:10
myself because I never react that way. And, you
33:15
know, even after that, it's hard to get me to
33:18
be jealous. So, yeah, it was just a huge indicator
33:23
for me how I felt about her. No, you're just
33:26
human, brother. That's all, okay? I don't care
33:30
how long you... been married I don't care how
33:33
long you've been a bull or when you were single
33:37
and you were doing what you were doing you still
33:39
are human right and we all get jealous some point
33:43
in time you know it might happen once maybe maybe
33:46
twice but everybody's been jealous okay even
33:49
yours truly over here and that's that's pretty
33:53
much exactly what I was going to say is we we
33:55
are an emotional being you know you can't really
34:00
anticipate what you're going to feel in the moment
34:02
and the important part of it is like you two
34:07
after you were done you went to McDowell you
34:09
talked about it and that's what we do you got
34:13
to reconnect reset figure out okay what could
34:17
we possibly do next time that prevent this but
34:21
also you're providing and you're you're you're
34:24
putting in the time to reconnect in that moment
34:27
I mean because if you really didn't care and
34:30
you really didn't love each other would you actually
34:32
be sitting in a damn McDonald's with somebody
34:35
I mean no you do that because you love each other
34:39
and you're resetting and you're reconnecting
34:42
and you're saying it's okay I felt this way because
34:45
of this and this and this and this And we're
34:48
going to talk about it. It's all going to be
34:50
okay. It's all going to work out and we'll do
34:53
something different next time and just jump over
34:56
the next hurdle. A lot of the things in the lifestyle
34:59
are about hurdles. I really, really truly believe
35:02
that. It's about learning. It's about evolving,
35:05
constantly evolving. It's about self -education.
35:09
It's about communication. One of my biggest things,
35:15
and I told Philip this, a gajillion bazillion...
35:18
You have a number? You know what? You know what?
35:22
Zip it. It's my gajillion bazillion. Well, I
35:27
also like what you said about, like, just being
35:29
supportive of that person, because I think it's
35:32
worth revisiting, and it's probably something
35:34
Socrates and I need to revisit, is taking those
35:36
emotional breaks, because we've kind of got complacent.
35:41
at parties and different things. We're too good
35:43
at Splash, but it's more like I have to communicate,
35:47
but I think that we might need to just go back
35:50
to some of those because I think sometimes, you
35:54
know, it's just important that whatever we're
35:58
feeling, that we still, like the other person,
36:00
knows that, you know, that you love them, that
36:03
it's okay, like... you know, we'll get through
36:07
it together because sometimes I have emotional
36:09
moments and I'm just like, why are these still
36:13
happening sometimes? And, you know, and it may
36:16
be something completely unrelated that just like
36:19
popped in my head. So, you know. Yeah. You know,
36:23
you guys had a lot longer together like than
36:26
we were like, hey, excuse me. My name is Socrates
36:31
and I'm Siren. And two weeks after we met, We
36:35
just, I know, knew about the lifestyle and four
36:39
months later we were in it, you know? So, um,
36:42
you know, I come to appreciate all, you know,
36:45
all the different ways that people entered the
36:48
lifestyle too. And, and the longevity. Yeah.
36:50
I, I want to start getting into some of the,
36:53
uh, claim training on things, but I wanted to,
36:57
you know, since we're this, you know, we're doing
36:59
a podcast, I want to shout out that couple next
37:02
door podcast. I don't know if they ever hear
37:05
us. One of the reasons why I did that is because
37:09
that couple next door started in the lifestyle
37:13
as a couple. And they really stressed the importance
37:20
of communication, having rules and boundaries,
37:24
you know, honoring each other's, you know, insecurities
37:29
and whatnot. And I learned a lot from that. from
37:32
that podcast, you know, as well as a lot of other
37:34
ones because I was a podcast junkie. But yeah,
37:39
I just think I knew we can handle it. I knew
37:42
that we could manage the complexities of the
37:47
lifestyle because I knew other couples were doing
37:50
it by the time that I introduced it to her. Unless
37:54
you guys want to, you know, maybe finish up some
37:56
thoughts, I did want to kind of get into the
37:57
claim, train, and own from especially Phillip's
38:00
perspective. No, I mean, I think we covered,
38:07
I mean, in a future podcast, if you have any
38:09
further questions or things that I think of,
38:11
I know I wanted to hit up on those, you know,
38:16
the communication and then what helps us, because
38:20
that may help a future couple. Yeah, well, let's
38:23
talk about it. Let's get into it. No, that's
38:26
what he did talk about. Oh, okay. He's saying
38:29
he covered it. Okay, gotcha. Well, you know me.
38:33
I can go deep. What is your communication style?
38:39
Can you break down the fundamentals? How deep
38:41
can you guys really go? What's the depth that
38:44
Lindsay and I would enjoy? The biggest thing
38:48
is we're a couple. We're going to have our blow
38:52
up. So we're going to say stupid shit back and
38:54
forth, you know, and that's going to happen.
38:57
But in that. And that you say things you don't
39:00
mean, but you're actually saying things that
39:02
are on your mind. So once we separate from that,
39:07
you know, talk about it, sit back the next day
39:09
while we're calm, we'll talk about those things.
39:13
Even if it's 24 hours and you're still in the
39:18
same space inside the house, you make dinner,
39:21
you're doing laundry, he's watching sports and
39:24
football. process and give it time silence sometimes
39:27
is like fucking gold just let it process let
39:33
it let things happen organically um that i think
39:38
is a good thing too as well yep and no you know
39:42
don't really address it in the moment you know
39:45
uh that's where i think a lot of people they
39:48
just stay angry it's like no you gotta calm down
39:52
I'll realize, hey. Don't I even try to talk about
39:55
it when the pot's boiling? It's internal. Yeah.
40:00
Oh, it's human nature. I just got up, got in
40:03
my gut, dressed. It's like two in the morning.
40:05
Got in my truck and drove away. I went and parked
40:08
in the parking lot for an hour. Knowing that
40:11
I was asleep and he came back. Oh, no, you were
40:13
texting the hell out of your blue on my damn
40:14
phone up. where the hell are you know that whole
40:19
thing I was like hey we just before we get angry
40:21
I'm just gonna go drive away you know and that
40:24
helped you know but that's it's a process everything
40:29
is a process I mean but whenever um I like to
40:34
make this kind of like a decent point so I think
40:37
that um whenever we're talking about playing
40:41
in party situations we're just like nuances like
40:48
you're you're meeting somebody new for the first
40:50
time that's different but I think that what we
40:55
have what Brian and Philip and I have is something
40:59
that's completely different um kind of like jogging
41:03
into or pushing towards that direction um it
41:06
was somewhat of a difficult situation because
41:09
I think that of course at some point in time
41:12
Philip realized that holy crap my wife is like
41:16
really putting a lot of time and a lot of conversation
41:21
into this person. And he realizes that whenever
41:24
I talk about Brian, when he's not there or when,
41:27
you know, after we are meeting up with him, I
41:32
would talk about something. He could sense, because
41:35
we've been married for so long, he could sense
41:37
that there's a deeper connection than what I've
41:40
had with anybody else in my entire life. I will
41:46
say spinning off of that as far as for myself
41:49
and then talking to Philip. And I think I mentioned
41:54
before I'm a psych nurse. So understanding how
41:58
to talk to people and how to look at situations
42:01
from different aspects is huge, huge, huge, huge.
42:05
But coming to this and talking. It is. I mean,
42:10
you have to be able to look at a situation from
42:13
85 different aspects. But coming to Phillip and
42:17
saying, look, have you ever thought ever once
42:24
in your life that you've only loved one person
42:27
in your entire fucking life? You want to love
42:30
your mama? No, because you love me. Wait a second.
42:36
We have four kids. So do you only love your mama?
42:40
Do you only love me? Oh, wait, you love four
42:43
kids. Is it humanly possible to love multiple
42:47
people? Is it humanly possible to have relationships
42:54
with people, respect them and respect their boundaries
42:56
and understand and talk and talk and talk and
43:01
get all this information, but understand where
43:06
everybody stands? but also love people in different
43:11
situations. Hell yeah. Absolutely. It is completely
43:16
possible. It is so damn possible, and that's
43:21
what we do, and that's who we are, and that's
43:23
where we are in our life. So let's get into that.
43:26
So you guys pretty much have a polyamorous relationship
43:30
between the three of you guys, and I wanted to
43:33
really dig deep into Phillip's... perspective
43:38
on the claiming part. So, you know, in the previous
43:41
episode, we talked about claim, train, and own.
43:44
That's right, Brian. That's the right three.
43:50
That's it. In order. And so, Phillip, what's
43:54
your perspective on the claiming part? Like when
43:57
Brian... Right. So, I mean, yeah, let's dig deep.
44:01
Like, I'm in the military. You're ex -military.
44:04
I mean, I'm ex -military. You're ex -military.
44:06
Brian served a long time. I probably served the
44:09
shortest. I feel like all three of us are masculine
44:12
men who are, you know, capable of violence. You
44:16
know what I'm saying? I mean, you know, so I
44:18
know how we feel. I can imagine you being extremely
44:22
protective of your family. I can imagine you
44:24
being someone who is an authority figure, right?
44:28
But now you have another man, a black man at
44:31
that, saying he's claiming you guys. Like, what's
44:34
your perspective on that? You know, tell our
44:37
listeners, like, how you think about him. Well,
44:42
I definitely don't look at it as, you know, there's
44:46
different. You got your cucks, the guys that
44:48
are submissive. You know, that is not me at all.
44:52
You know, I look at Brian as we're, like, equals.
44:57
As far as very much so. Very much so. Man to
45:02
man. Exactly. That's our relationship. Because
45:07
I got to know him. I trust him. We've gone out
45:09
multiple times as three of us. My nerdy dates
45:14
that I tried to make both of my men's do, I'm
45:18
like, let's go axe throwing. We all sucked at
45:20
that shit. I'm like, let's go do this. Let's
45:23
go do that. I hate axe throwing. I never want
45:26
to go again. I hate it. I love it. Siren hates
45:31
the axe throwing. It hurts my shoulder. Girl,
45:35
the only great picture of the ax ring was a picture
45:38
of both of my man's asses at the same time because
45:41
I was like, I hate this shit. Yeah, that was
45:45
actually our second date and I kicked his ass
45:47
and then after that it was all downhill. I was
45:50
terrible at it after that and I didn't like it.
45:53
Anyways, but back to Phillip. Yeah, I think that
45:58
was my first attempt to go do something. Just
46:02
outside of, okay, we're going to get together.
46:04
We're going to go to the hotel. This is something.
46:10
Hey, let me say this. Socrates, do you remember
46:14
when I was describing a bull, like I want to
46:19
say on the Keys and Anchors podcast or something
46:21
like that? Yes. And I was saying that one of
46:24
the greatest qualities of a good bull. is blending
46:29
in to an already what? Loving relationship. Right,
46:33
sir. Yes, sir. That was what, that's a prime
46:37
example of what I was doing, like going out,
46:40
throwing a damn ax with them. You know what I'm
46:42
saying? I'm blending in. I'm blending in to what,
46:46
you know what I'm saying, they wanted to do.
46:48
I know I sucked at it, but at the same time,
46:51
I was going to throw that ax as many times as
46:54
they wanted me to, to let them see that, hey,
46:57
I'm there for you. You know what I mean? I'm
47:00
enjoying the couple. I'm enjoying the time with
47:03
you all. I don't care what we're doing right
47:05
now. If we're throwing the axe or we're sitting
47:07
down talking or whatever, it didn't matter to
47:09
me. I was just enjoying the time with them. So
47:13
that's what I mean by you blending into an already
47:15
existing and loving relationship. So that's a
47:19
part of the claiming process also. All right.
47:22
It's a part of the claiming process. Interesting.
47:25
And I think that's kind of like key to like females
47:28
as well, because I will tell you another date,
47:31
amazing date that we went on. We went up to,
47:35
what was it, Raleigh? And you already know this
47:38
story I'm telling. Yes. We went to the mall.
47:41
We did all kinds of stuff. But then we ended
47:43
up at Dave and Buster's. Dave and Buster's. Yes.
47:48
Okay. I'm a nerd. I get excited about these things
47:52
and I'm like, oh, I want to do this. I want to
47:54
do this. I want to do this. So Phillip was so
47:57
concerned because our daughter was supposed to
48:00
have a friend that came over and spent the night.
48:02
And he was like, I have to get home. I have to
48:05
clean. I have to do this. I have to do this.
48:07
He was like, I really need to go. And then as
48:09
we're like sitting there eating like our lunch.
48:12
and I've convinced both of them to buy me 85
48:16
freaking Dave and Buster cards to give me all
48:18
the points I can get, right? Because then we'll
48:20
play some games. He's like, I've got to go home.
48:24
He's getting frustrated, and I can see it on
48:26
his face, and he's like, I said, look. I said,
48:31
just go. Go, go, go. I can feel it. I can see
48:34
that you're not feeling it right now. It's okay.
48:37
And I hear you. You're wanting to go home to
48:40
make sure that our daughter has a good hangover
48:42
with her friend. And so from there, Phillip leaves.
48:46
And I'm feeling kind of nerdy. All the games
48:48
I want to play. Little kids are in my damn games.
48:52
I'm about to beat some kids up. I'm about to
48:54
hurt some kids. So we walk over. We find a couple
48:58
different things. And we start playing games.
49:00
We play a lot of games. By the end of the day.
49:04
We were there for what? How long were we there,
49:07
Brian? I don't know. It was a good minute, though.
49:10
I was 10 years old again on a couple of them
49:13
damn games. Yeah, I was whooping your ass. I
49:17
forgot what the one game was, but it was like
49:19
the military game. I was killing you. I was killing
49:23
you. But I was having a great time, though. I
49:25
was having a great time. Yeah, I was sweating.
49:28
Actually, it was like, okay. And let me stop
49:33
you to say this. Here again, I'm backtracking,
49:36
Socrates. What is that a part of? What do I always
49:40
say I want to do with a couple? And that would
49:43
not have happened had Phillip and I had that
49:46
rapport already. He knew that I was going to
49:49
do what? Respect her, protect her, and then love
49:53
her, correct? Right. Okay, that's an example
49:57
of that. You see what I'm saying? All of this
50:00
stuff comes into key. you know, comes all together
50:04
when you start developing that trust, developing
50:07
that rapport. You know, like I said, he and I,
50:10
I knew he had to get back. I could see it in
50:12
the face too. I could see that, you know, hey,
50:14
he's a dad. He wants to get back to make sure
50:16
his daughter is all right. But at the same time,
50:19
he wants to make sure his wife is good also.
50:21
And I think that he knew, hey, I trust Brian
50:24
completely, you know, completely. And she'll
50:27
be fine with him. So here again, that's part
50:30
of that respect, protect, and love. Yeah, in
50:33
the moment, I wasn't upset with them. I was like,
50:38
okay, I got to get going. Yeah, we were having
50:41
fun. We had kind of a late start that morning.
50:45
By the time we got to David Buster, I was like,
50:47
look at my watch and stuff. And I knew she was
50:50
in good hands. So I had to beat Pete and get
50:54
out of there. But let me tell you. to actually
50:58
look over and drag Brian into this gaming thing
51:02
that was like 3D. It was like The Walking Dead.
51:05
I'm in there sweating. I'm hustling. I'm hollering.
51:08
I'm all kinds of stuff. I look over and he goes,
51:11
listen, I've never done this. I've never played
51:15
video games with a woman in my entire life. I
51:18
said, oh. Was completely out of my comfort zone
51:22
as far as things that I do. Was loving every
51:25
minute of it, you know? That's how I knew then
51:28
that, yeah, nerdy as fuck, but hey, I mean, you
51:33
know. In your comfort zone, and I kind of love
51:36
that, that you're willing to do something you're
51:40
not comfortable with on your own for your entire
51:42
life, and you've never really done anything.
51:45
My entire life, brother, has been either as a
51:50
troublemaker or a escort, okay? My favorite fraternity
51:55
is MeFi Me. So I didn't know anything else but
52:02
me, you know what I mean? And to have not only
52:06
a lady, but her husband, to have a couple that
52:09
I enjoy being around and being with and talking
52:13
to, and somebody who actually understands, like,
52:17
my conversations, you know? I was like, okay,
52:20
something ain't right here. Something ain't right.
52:23
Why am I driving back to Wilson and I have them
52:26
on my mind? You know what I mean? Because usually
52:28
I'm more than done. You're coming out of that
52:31
comfort zone, you know, and that's why we just
52:34
a good friendship. Well, I want to jump on top
52:38
of that one. So with that being said, Philip,
52:41
with that being said, brother, like, talk to
52:45
me about the training part. So is that equal
52:49
thing too? Or like, how does that dynamic come
52:52
into play with you, Philip? uh with me i'm not
52:59
sure well does it really apply to me as far as
53:03
because i know they have there are certain things
53:08
where um i'm gonna say i'm non -trainable uh
53:12
yeah okay i'm wild as hell no you barely i'm
53:18
teasing i'm teasing that's more i think of their
53:20
two aspect i i guess south side something different
53:25
I don't really. Phillip is not, like I said before,
53:34
he's no way near a cuckold. So really the training
53:37
aspect for him really doesn't apply. You know
53:41
what I mean? It really does not apply. It would
53:45
apply for cuckold couples. Is that what you're
53:47
saying? Yeah. Yeah. For the real cuckold couple,
53:52
it would. For Phillip, the training aspect is
53:54
him getting used to me being around a lot. You
53:59
know what I mean? Not just being that one and
54:02
done, but the fact that, you know, yeah, we talk,
54:04
you know, regularly. You know, I do see her now
54:07
regularly. And just, you know, just being a part.
54:12
Him knowing that, hey, there's somebody else
54:14
that's a part of, you know, a part of their life.
54:17
So that's the training for him. You know, now
54:20
the training for Lindsey. The transfer baby girl
54:23
is different. It's different. And I've told her
54:27
that I actually held back on a whole lot of things
54:31
up until recently. And here again, it's been
54:37
almost, what, two years now? Yeah. It's been
54:41
almost two years. But due to the fact that I
54:44
did like her and them so much, I wasn't able
54:49
to. to turn it on or, in my other words, open
54:53
up Pandora's box all the way at first. Okay?
55:02
That's the kind of stuff that I like because
55:05
she'll come back and like, holy fuck, what did
55:10
he, he's been holding out on me. What the hell
55:15
happened? So she would dive into the details.
55:22
Yeah. Yeah, because I know damn well she was,
55:26
at one point in time, she was thinking, oh, he's
55:28
not Dom. He's not a dominant. He can't be dominant.
55:31
All right. Well, I shut her up. I shut her up
55:35
recently on that one. Okay. And then I changed
55:39
gears. I went from second gear to fifth as far
55:42
as showing her that I'm still a porn star at
55:44
my age also. All right. So, you know. She's starting
55:50
to get the opening of Pandora's box now. And
55:53
believe me, I just opened it another quarter
55:54
way. I haven't opened it all the way yet. So,
55:57
you know, that's the training. That's the training.
56:00
And that's all a part of the mind game also.
56:03
You know what I mean? You never, ever, never,
56:06
ever give her everything at one time. Never.
56:11
Because she will get used to that and she will
56:14
think, okay, every time it's got to be this way.
56:17
Hell no. You don't give her that, all right?
56:20
You tease. You play. You give a little. You take
56:24
back. You give more. You take back more, all
56:28
right? Then someday, someday, she will get the
56:31
whole package, okay? But for right now, though,
56:34
she's still thinking, like, what is he going
56:36
to do next to me? What is he going to do next?
56:39
And that's what makes it. That's what makes it
56:41
fulfilling for me, all right? And I think I speak
56:46
for Philip also because Philip likes to say,
56:50
I keep her on her toes. And you got to keep her
56:52
on her toes 24 -7. And that's any woman. You
56:56
got to keep her on her toes 24 -7. And really,
57:00
I'll just put this in there. She's a submissive
57:03
brat. You are a submissive brat. I think that's
57:08
what sirens do. Yes, a submissive brat. And that's
57:12
the best way to describe it. But I don't get
57:16
punished often enough. Let me just say that.
57:19
So then I'm even worse. See, it's not so much
57:23
about prop punishment. It's the mind control.
57:27
It's the mind fuck. That's what it is. The mind
57:31
fuck. Let's see. I will say the mind fuck actually
57:38
puts me in my place. And the mind fuck makes
57:41
me. realize that I need to step back and just
57:46
say, hold on a second. I need to be respectful.
57:49
I need to, oh, oh, I want to fuck. Oh, nope,
57:53
yep, yep. I'll be okay. I need to listen and
57:57
I need to be okay. The mind fuck fucks me up
58:00
bad. Yeah, just like, yeah, just like. The mind
58:04
part doesn't work on me. The physical punishment.
58:10
Well, where she got there to the both of that
58:14
the perpetual students over here does not in
58:16
mind admitting that that is something I need
58:19
to work on and We're gonna have some more episodes.
58:22
We're gonna have mr Sigma male over here teach
58:26
us about the mind fuck. So we're gonna have that
58:29
episode So we coming up on an hour here and we're
58:34
always trying to you know, be mindful of people's
58:36
time so I do want to finish up with the owning
58:40
part. So, but I'm going to start with Unk first.
58:44
Talk to me about, you know, both of them, but,
58:47
you know, start off with Phillip's role or perspective
58:50
on that as far as owning this couple. I mean,
58:56
he knows, I think now he knows that I am, and
59:01
I'm going to say a part of the family. Because
59:07
I called him family, you know? And I think that
59:12
he knows that I'm around. I want to be around.
59:16
I don't want to go anywhere. And, you know, I
59:20
truly enjoy both of them. I enjoy both of them
59:25
to the fullest. And I'm looking forward to seeing
59:27
where this is going, you know, in the future.
59:32
You know, I've... I can't say it any more than
59:35
that. I can't put it any more plain than that.
59:37
Yeah, I love that. That's very eloquent. That's
59:40
the owning for him, and then the owning for her
59:46
is just what I said a few minutes ago. Keeping
59:50
her guessing and then bringing on more and more
59:55
and more, little by little by little, but intensifying
59:59
what I bring to her every time now. Intensifying
1:00:03
it. So if she thinks she got a dominant version
1:00:06
of me last Monday, I hate to tell you, sister,
1:00:10
that was just a little play thing. Okay? So,
1:00:14
you know, get your popcorn ready. That's all
1:00:17
I'm going to say. Get your popcorn ready. Don't
1:00:21
say a word. Don't say a word. Don't say a word.
1:00:23
I'm in dom mode right now. So what do you need
1:00:25
to be doing? Huh? Am I daddy right now? Who am
1:00:31
I now? Yes, sir. All right, then. That's exactly
1:00:36
what you need to be saying. Yes, sir. That's
1:00:40
exactly what you need to be saying. That's exactly
1:00:43
what you need to be saying. See what I mean,
1:00:46
Socrates? Yes, sir. See what I'm saying? It should
1:00:49
be turned on and turned off. She should never
1:00:52
know what's coming. She should never know what's
1:00:54
coming. Always. Never know what's coming. And
1:00:59
that's a part of the owning. Sir, can you come
1:01:04
to my house tomorrow, please? We got dates going
1:01:14
on here, y 'all. So, Phillip, tell us. Got a
1:01:23
little hot in here. We're excited. All right.
1:01:26
Phillip, tell us. What's your perspective on
1:01:28
that? Yeah, right. This is just going to have
1:01:31
to be an extended version night because, man,
1:01:34
I could chime in on some things. You may have
1:01:38
to split this up. Yeah. The trilogy. It's turned
1:01:42
into the trilogy. But you know what? We should
1:01:46
have split it up into claim, train, and own a
1:01:51
three -part series. That would have been the
1:01:53
most organized system. Yep. Each one of those
1:01:58
in a separate podcast. Right. That's what I was
1:02:02
saying. Yeah, I agree. The first one, was it
1:02:07
clown? Claim. Not so much us, I guess. Like you
1:02:14
said, it's more of the cuck thing. But as far
1:02:17
as, what was the last one? The owning. Claim.
1:02:22
Own and own. Okay. Okay, so for... I'm going
1:02:26
to get you a t -shirt, Phillip. I know, I'm so
1:02:30
disappointed here. Okay, the last one, as far
1:02:34
as that, their interaction like that, that for
1:02:39
me is, I guess, beneficial because I see how
1:02:45
she is. I've known, we've been in this for five
1:02:47
years. And I've seen how she's reacted. I know
1:02:51
she, it took me a while to realize that she's
1:02:53
very submissive, especially to a dominant man.
1:02:57
And when she gets in that role, I like how she
1:03:03
will submit. Oh, you're going to talk about after
1:03:07
I'm with Brian, I come home and I will lick the
1:03:10
bottom of your feet. Like, you know, I'm not,
1:03:14
that's me being extra, but. after i'm with brian
1:03:17
right so i will come home and philip will be
1:03:21
like edgy whatever i'm big so i will be like
1:03:27
kids you mean horny not edgy horny right now
1:03:31
he's a little edgy but i will be like over the
1:03:35
top submissive in this house with him he's not
1:03:39
a super dominant person because like well this
1:03:44
should be We've been married for 24 years. 24,
1:03:47
25. 24 years. But whenever I've been with Brian,
1:03:53
whenever he tosses my way with the popcorn and
1:03:57
everything else, right? But I come back in his
1:04:01
house, it just does something to my persona.
1:04:04
It does something to me as a person. And it makes
1:04:07
me want to be... A better wife. A what? Shit.
1:04:13
Well, like you said, better wife. And Socrates
1:04:17
laughed his ass off. Actually, I was really going
1:04:21
to say that myself, but you just said it. But
1:04:24
it does, and I've even called Brian, and I've
1:04:27
told him, I'm like, it's really nice today, even
1:04:29
though I was feeling some sort of a way, and
1:04:31
I wasn't even a butthole, but I wasn't, but because
1:04:35
I was feeling very satisfied and in my vibe,
1:04:39
oh, my God, like I would bend over and lick.
1:04:42
philip's feet right now because i know that he
1:04:45
loves me so much he supports me so much and he
1:04:49
supports what i'm doing and he loves me in this
1:04:52
lifestyle yes it's kind of like a reset you know
1:04:55
i love it everyone's just being themselves this
1:04:59
is awesome for me it's not there's no jealousy
1:05:05
or emotional as i just like seeing her happy
1:05:08
he comes back you know satisfied or Even where
1:05:13
he holds things back and she knows she didn't
1:05:17
get the full thing. I can see it, you know, the
1:05:19
not anxiety, but the yeah, like, oh my god, what's
1:05:25
next? You know, that's the type of stuff that's
1:05:27
kind of exciting for me. And I embrace that.
1:05:31
And I'm, you know, I'm cool with it. So that
1:05:36
kind of explains it. Yeah, yeah, I like that.
1:05:39
I'll have to think about it more. more in depth
1:05:42
definitely get into it more in the future for
1:05:45
sure you're such a cool kid I wish I could be
1:05:48
as cool as you well I think we're gonna end it
1:05:55
there I don't know if you have anything else
1:05:57
to say or siren no I think I am good I've enjoyed
1:06:03
listening to to you guys tonight and kind of
1:06:07
taking the night off but I've learned much from
1:06:11
uh philip and lindsey and and their journey and
1:06:14
uh again i i really commend you guys and i think
1:06:18
there should be a night where the four of you
1:06:21
have your um podcasts and like invite other couples
1:06:26
you know to come up here and and and because
1:06:30
really they can learn a lot from from philip
1:06:32
and lindsey and they can learn a lot from you
1:06:34
from you socrates and siren um You know, so I
1:06:40
mean, that's my suggestion. What you guys think?
1:06:44
Like, what do you mean? No, he means like the
1:06:47
four of us. Like invite another couple. Yeah,
1:06:50
the four of you guys do one. Yeah, yeah. Invite
1:06:56
another couple and just, you know, get it. Yeah,
1:06:59
you know, I think that'd be great. Yeah, I'm
1:07:06
down. Let's do it. So we're going to let we're
1:07:16
going to let Mr. Morgan, the Sigma male, end
1:07:19
it out. And, you know, we'll get to some. Oh,
1:07:23
do we want to, you know, does Philip and Lindsay,
1:07:26
you guys want to share if people want to get
1:07:28
in contact with you or your social media or anything
1:07:30
like that? Yeah, tell him if you want to, you
1:07:36
don't have to. We didn't talk about that before.
1:07:40
We didn't, but I'm okay with it. Okay. Our telegram
1:07:46
is at, it's pretty easy, Phil Lindsey. That's
1:07:51
it. And how do you spell Lindsey? Because there's
1:07:54
a lot of different variations of that. It's the
1:07:56
right way. Well, I know it's the right way, but
1:08:00
which way? Because I don't know the right way.
1:08:04
It's capital P -H -I -L, capital L -I -N. D -S
1:08:10
-E -Y. Perfect. Yeah, that's our telegram. Okay,
1:08:16
and then you guys can find us. We're going to
1:08:19
be definitely putting all our social media and
1:08:22
contact later, but you can definitely email us
1:08:26
at thebullbrotherhood at gmail .com, and we'll
1:08:31
take any questions you have or any ideas you
1:08:35
might want us to cover for any future episodes.
1:08:38
But until then, we'll let Mr. Morgan close this
1:08:42
out and we'll have a good night. Well, ladies
1:08:44
and gentlemen, I hope you have enjoyed another
1:08:46
episode, informative episode of the Boer Brotherhood
1:08:50
podcast. I'm the Sigma male himself, Mr. Brian
1:08:53
Morgan. And for my co -hosts, Socrates and the
1:08:58
lovely Siren, I would like to thank my family,
1:09:02
Phillip and Lindsey, for coming back once again
1:09:04
and just sharing their life with us. Again, love
1:09:09
you all so much. You don't know what you mean
1:09:12
to me. You really don't. And as always, we will
1:09:18
see you again real soon. For all my bull brothers
1:09:21
out there, good night. For all my lovely hot
1:09:24
wives, good morning. Again, we'll see you real
1:09:29
soon, all right? Take care. Auf Wiedersehen.
1:09:33
Tschüss. Bye -bye. and train the body on the
1:09:46
soul. Deep connections build on trust. That's
1:09:49
how I go from conversations to the passion that
1:09:52
we hold. This brotherhood's for men whose stories
1:09:55
need to be told. This brotherhood's for men whose
1:09:59
stories need to be told. Say it loud. Say it
1:10:02
loud. This is who we are. Bold, confident, seductive.
1:10:08
Dominant and classy. We stand tall, never fall.
1:10:12
Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.