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Ep. 14: Astrology Why You Suddenly Don’t Feel Like Yourself Anymore | Indra Rinzler · Making Miracles Happen Masterclass

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  SPEAKER_00: So I am meeting with somebody absolutely new.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have no idea who you are, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I've never talked to you before.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that gets me so excited when I get to find out about somebody from their own mouth.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not bios, not any of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So my first question to you that will help me get to know who you are is how did you get started in this work?
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh the work being Vedic astrology.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I've been on the spiritual path for more than 50 years.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when I went to my first uh metaphysical bookstore in in Berkeley in uh 1970, 71, uh along with metaphysical books, which I knew nothing about, there were also astrology books, which I also knew nothing about.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh they were they were similar interests uh uh for a while for a while.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh the the the metaphysics never went away, the astrology went away uh a few years later, because I kind of got to a um um a wall, but I didn't know how to take it further because there wasn't internet.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: We were casting our own charts, which isn't a problem, but uh I only say that because it was very uh, you know, there wasn't podcasts, it was a very uh you you bought books and that's how you read about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was it was a very different time, and it wasn't a bad time, but it was I didn't go any further.
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  SPEAKER_01: So so 20 years later I pick it up again, and by this time I'm already living uh many years in a uh spiritual community, community dedicated to uh to an Indian teacher and uh an Indian guru.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so Vedic astrology came up rather than Western astrology.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um the astrology, I I I you know, why was I attracted?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I was mathematical as a child.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, probably I was interested in astrology before, maybe, but I was mathematical as a child, and I found it uh I found the planets, uh the charting and the the the plan.
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  SPEAKER_01: I guess, you know, again, 1971, we didn't have a clue about anything.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh and so astrology could tell you something about your own life, and and that was uh attractive um because we didn't really have so many clues.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: So you followed all the clues that you could find.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_00: So to get started on this path, it sounds like you didn't have to go through any kind of crisis.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was for you, it was curiosity.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, uh yes and no.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I I didn't have any uh NDEs and I and I and I dropped out of the number two uh business uh uh MBA program in the country because corporate business didn't interest me.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I never had to drop out later because I already dropped out as soon as I heard about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So so I didn't have that kind of crisis, but but but there was more than curiosity.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was uh there was I remember as a 16 or 17 year old realizing it's one of my most mystical things I ever said back then was that you couldn't take a vacation it occurred to me that you couldn't take a vacation from yourself.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and 100% truth.
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  SPEAKER_01: So so the the idea of uh uh what is life?
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  SPEAKER_01: How do we achieve happiness?
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  SPEAKER_01: I I wish I knew what I said to myself in 1971.
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  SPEAKER_01: Who am I?
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever we said in 1970, 1971, that you you might you might not say it quite the way today, but it's the basic idea is that uh that uh we were we were looking for something real, you know, coming out of the 60s.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: We were we were uh wanting to find happiness that was real, and and uh you know the drugs and the dropping out and the counterculture and the music.
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  SPEAKER_01: All of those were part of the things that we found uh for a while, and some of them we may still do, but but um as a way to try to understand this this whole idea that you that you wake up uh as a baby or as a 20-year-old or as a 50-year-old and you say, What the heck?
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  SPEAKER_01: What is this place and what am I doing here?
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  SPEAKER_01: So it was more than curiosity.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was there was something about it that was uh a path that I remember saying in college that uh I wasn't interested in religion and I wasn't interested in politics.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the politics has pretty well stayed, but the the not so much religion, but the spirituality became a a strong uh a strong part.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when I look back at uh uh people that I've known since back then, nobody, you know, I mean, uh there are people who I meet who at the same age have been peers, but the people that I knew, most of them, even if they, you know, even if they went counterculture and if they questioned their life and they became, you know, seeking, they didn't do it at a level that uh that I did it, which is not uh is not a criticism, but just the reality is that uh that um you know there's a uh from the Bhagavad Gita, out of uh uh Krishna says, out of a thousand that want me, uh only one finds me.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, that that that uh even even uh the gurus say even to want to know God is is very far on the path.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm really curious, and I'll tell you guys who are listening to this uh in just a little while, but I want to get this first out there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is for you, what is the difference between Western astrology and Vedic astrology?
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so the diff the the astrology is basically the different is basically the same.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I like to say that the Western don't agree with the Western and the Vedic don't agree with the Vedic.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if the Western and the Vedic don't agree, that's just part of astrology.
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  SPEAKER_01: Vedic astrology is said to be the astrology of India, okay, and and uh they call it Indian astrology, but it it got renamed in the 80s and the late 80s as a marketing tool because there's no astrology in the Vedas.
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  SPEAKER_01: There is the the Vedas being the ancient uh scripture from uh you know two, three, four thousand years ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh there was no astrology in it.
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  SPEAKER_01: They may have mentioned the planets, but they didn't, what we call astrology today, there was none of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, there was no, oh my god, Pluto Square.
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  SPEAKER_01: They didn't say any of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But they used the Vedic because they wanted to, it was a it was a hook to make it be uh to make it be more uh um interesting and a little bit less cumbersome for Western minds.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the main difference between them is uh that the the Western chart is cast uh using a tropical, the chart is cast tropically, which is which is that the the relationship between the sun and the uh earth.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh that relationship is the seasons, and so March 21st is Aries Zero every year.
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  SPEAKER_01: But in Vedic astrology, we have the Earth, we have the Sun, and then we have the sky behind the Sun, and we take into account the sky behind the sun, and the chart is cast uh sidereally, which means star, and it's based on the the sky behind the sun, March 21st every year, is not the same sky.
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  SPEAKER_01: That the that the the we're in a 25,800-year cycle called the precession of the equinox.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when the two systems were the same around 400 AD, that it was fine to, we didn't need to make a distinction, but we're now um 72 years is one degree, that's 360 degrees divided by 2025,800 years.
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  SPEAKER_01: So so 72 years, so so we're now 24 degrees difference.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so if you think of yourself as a Leo son, probably for me, you're a cancer son.
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  SPEAKER_01: It goes backwards.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and if you're 24 degrees or less Leo sun, for me, I call that cancer.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and it is a little confusing because people that are are versed in their Western say, wait a minute, I'm not a uh cancer, I'm a Leo, and and that's correct in Western, but it isn't correct in in Vedic.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um so how to make sense of that is that I like to say is that uh who you are uh at church and who you are at work and who you are with your parents and who you are out with your girlfriends, and who you are with your husband on vacation and or your partner on vacation, and who you are uh at the PTA meeting are very different examples of who you are, and and you dress differently, you act differently, you use different language.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, one can be very formal, one can be very uh uh informal and very relaxed, and you know, maybe, you know, maybe you curse in a way that you wouldn't at the PTA meeting.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so the point being is that we have different aspects of ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so the Western chart, um, and people may disagree, but I like to think of it more as my nine to five, more mundane, more my my regular being.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the and the Vedic chart, I think to be that people tend to say that it's a little bit more accurate.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's a little bit more accurate if you're a little bit deeper.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: I find that the positioning that I find in the Vedic or the sidereal chart, I find it to be uh that the the the differences between them.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: I had a client uh yesterday, the main difference, I mean, her her, she was a uh uh, and I I I hope I can get into this just a tad, and maybe you know enough astrology to follow, but she's a she's a uh a Virgo rising in in Western, but in in Vedic, she's now a Leo rising, uh, which is a little bit of difference.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the only uh thing between the planets, all of them are in the same houses, except that her Venus moves from the first house to the second house.
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  SPEAKER_01: That in Western it's conjunct, uh, moon and Venus are conjunct in the first house.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in Vedic, now her Venus and her moon are separate.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that those are there's subtle differences.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh she goes from uh a Virgo, which is a uh Mercury-ruled mental sign, to now a Leo rising.
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  SPEAKER_01: And these you could say are kind of subtle, and and I don't recognize that person.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: But if you get into it a little bit deeper and you you go, those Venus and Moon are not conjunct, they're actually separate, and your Venus is in your second house, and she's having problems with housing and and grounding in this life, which your second house, and that planet is debilitated, meaning that it uh that planet Venus is debilitated, meaning it's in its least favorite sign there in Virgo.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's it's Virgo in her Western chart, but it's in the but it's in the first house.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now it's in the second house, which is subtly different.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not trying to confuse people with the astrology of it, but the fact is, is that it's just a little bit of a, you know, like like you look at a you look at a guy or a girl and you kind of just look at them, okay, but now, you know, they say, oh, don't you look nice?
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then you say, oh, let me look at you again, you know, you look with a little bit more critical eye, a little bit more deeper.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so that's what the chart, that's what the difference in to me is the chart is that you can look at it a little bit deeper and you can say, oh, you know, it's it's it's it's not this way, it's actually this way, and what that means.
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  SPEAKER_01: The the point of it for me is to find strengths and weaknesses in the charts in order to relay them to the client, in order for them to be able to see where they need to grow and apply themselves and where they have strength and they don't.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those are skills, and on the low side, uh those are obsessions and compulsions.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's where we need to grow.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's really interesting because when I started getting into Vedic astrology, which I actually like much more than Western astrology.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I'm I'm deeper.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: And one of the things that I remember my because I've always had Indian Vedic astrologers, one of the things that they shared with me is is is kind of goes backwards in time.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the time that you were in the womb.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you're like a year older.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is that how you calculate?
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  SPEAKER_01: They're not using birth time, they're using conception time.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, they're using birth time, but it's like they're going backwards.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it does account for some time in the womb.
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  SPEAKER_01: That um that um there there are there are astrologers.
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  SPEAKER_01: I never heard this with Vedic astrologers.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: There are astrologers that do uh concept they figure out a conception time.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how they do that.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: But um I don't I don't know anything about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: The the the the the West the Vedic astrologers uh tend to be very predictive.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not interested in any predictions.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have absolutely no idea what's gonna happen, nor do I really care.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: I want to give you in the readings, the way I look at it is that we can we can give you truth, and then you can figure out where you're what you're gonna do with that truth.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to digest your food for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: So give me an example of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: What would a person come to you for a reading for?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, most people come to me because they're in a transition.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they may not know they're in the transition, but everybody uh the the the timing of the reading uh uh is uh important to me, uh whether they're going through a planetary change or they're going through a life change, or they've uh they're they're usually a little bit of the way into it, because if they're not all a little bit into it, then then if it's like future, then I'm saying to them, well, you're going to.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: And that isn't that's not why they come to me.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: They already feel like you say your curiosity.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: People some people come for curiosity, but but why is the curiosity happening right now?
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: That there's no coincidences, that everything is is programmed, and so there's there's a reason why they come at a particular moment, and and that's usually because they're a little bit into a transition and they're not feeling comfortable looking for guidance.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and and you can uh through the timing of the Mahadashas, did you work with those, the the the great periods, the the planetary periods that are that are many years long?
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: The the Saturn cycle and the Jupiter cycle.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: This is the the the nothing like this in Western astrology, and I find uh if you asked me, I had the uh I did a podcast this morning and she she she ran out of time, but she was gonna ask me what part of the reading do I like the most?
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: And and uh I have a I'm gonna I'm gonna segue for just a second.
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  SPEAKER_01: I learned in my readings that especially towards the beginning, there was always something that I wish that I told somebody that I remembered afterwards, and I realized that I could tell it to the next person, and that that that would be telling it to the universe, and and that the I mean the next time that it would that it came up, that I could tell them, and that was like telling the first person.
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  SPEAKER_01: So so the lady asked me the question this morning, but she but we never got to it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So here I am giving you the answer.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the answer is the Mahadash at the planetary periods, they're usually coming into a planetary period, and and and you you know from birth, if you knew them from birth, you could say at age 64, you're gonna you're gonna enter your Jupiter period and it's gonna be this and it's gonna be that.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: You can you can give a uh you know a synopsis uh from the beginning as exactly what is gonna what it's what's going to happen.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: But um so they usually come at a crux time, uh that that, and I believe they're sent.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: That that that uh somebody's having a problem and they they pray either verbally or non-verbally or without a prayer, and God says, let's send them to Indra, you know, he's kind of good at this.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: He'll he'll uh you know give them some ideas and and and uh explain to them what they're really going through, you know, what's what's happening.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so so I find that that's what I find, that people are coming at a particular time in their life that that's a critical time in a in a sometimes at 50 years, 50 years, you might only be in four, five, or six planetary periods.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's an average of one every 10 years.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: And so when you're changing planetary periods, it's it's uh depending exactly where you are in the cycle, it's a it could be a big event.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: You could be 60 and only be in four planetary periods in your life.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: And so, and so when you when you're about to go into it or you've changed it, it's a it's a big time because they have um um there's uh 40 outward years.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's Mar, that's uh Mars, Rahu, which is north node of the moon, and um um and Jupiter are 40 years, and then you go into Saturn.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's a big change because you've been outward for 40 years, and now you go into Saturn, and Saturn's like living in a cave and going inward, inward, inward, and that's a big change.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: And so, so when that comes on, I you know, people before Saturn Mahadasha, the great period of Saturn, 19 years.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: I see them second year in, third year in, fourth year in, you know, that that they've uh what's going on?
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: I, you know, I'm not the same as I was.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, you're not the same as it was, because now it's time to go inward, you know.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's like like uh summer is outward and winter is inward.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's a very natural cycle, but you can uh explain that to people.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you can explain what's happening um with clarity and with uh uh with the understanding that it's a natural cycle.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: What does that do for the person that you're reading?
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: So if I'm uh entering 60, I'm like I'm a I'm a different person, and you're saying that's because you're going within now, what do we do with that?
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, uh I went into I mean, I went into Saturn at 59.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: So so uh I met my Saturny wife three months before I went in.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: So um, you know, we what we do with it is is it's a natural cycle.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's a gift.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's a it's a, you know, like like some people, um some people don't become uh when I was growing up, we had this uh character, this lady named Grandma Moses, who started, it was a big deal that she started painting it 72 years old.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's not even a story anymore, you know, but but like 72, oh my God, and she started painting.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: Some people start painting and know what they want to do at four years old.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: Some people don't figure it out until 75.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: My I released, I published my first book that I uh self-published my first book that I wrote at 79 years of age.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: And and I'm well into the second, and the third isn't that far behind.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Why did it take so long?
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: Because I wasn't mature enough yet.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: Because not because I didn't want to write it, but because I didn't have the maturity to write the book that I wanted to write.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: And it wasn't about the subject, it was about the the the um the um the truthfulness, the dharma, the truthfulness of what I wanted to say, the helpfulness of it, the depth of it, rather than it being here's my experience, you know, or here's here's something I learned.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: This is this isn't this is something I learned, but it's but it's but it's the I is out of it.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: You understand what I'm saying?
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: I call the book through me, not from me.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's not it's not it's not my peace, it's not my wisdom.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's something that was already here that I'm picking up on.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't start it, I didn't generate it.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: How would I use your intuit or that information?
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's to me.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, if you're going into Saturn, you're already feeling a pull inward, you're wondering why you don't like your, you know, your friends are disappearing, you wonder why your life has changed, and all of a sudden you want to live on the top of the hill in a monastery and you never thought about that before, you know?
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: And so I guess I'm wondering, like, getting a reading from you, if you were like, okay, so that's the way you're feeling, this is the way you're feeling it, is it meant to help you be okay with that?
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: So you stop resisting it?
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what exact like I'm wondering how I would use this information because you okay, so you use that information because it's a because it's a confirmation of what you're already feeling.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: But what you're feeling is such Oh, you know, you know, I I don't know your status or anything, but all of a sudden you've been always with partners.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: I had a I had a friend of mine, this was 25 years ago.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: I had a lady friend of mine, I gave her a reading, and she had, when she got divorced, she found her new partner a week later.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: And and I told her, I told her that she was going into Saturn or something, it was Saturn-y something, and I said, uh, you're gonna be single or something.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and and she didn't think much of it at the time because she was with this guy, but then a few years later he disappeared, and she's but she was single, and she said to me, You remember six years ago you told me I was gonna be single, and here I am, and I don't have any interest in it anymore, where she had been partnered, you know, boom, boom, you know, attractive lady, boom, bump, bump, but her life changed, and she's you know, uh, you know, that that that they're they're confirming.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not trying to tell you something you don't know.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to give you give you a reflection that to take you deeper into what you are experiencing, because I I don't want to talk you into experiencing it.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: You're already experiencing it.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: I want to give you an understanding of what it is so that you don't um so that you feel calmer with it and you're not afraid of it, and you and you understand that you're going uh further into that uh because if it because if you're only two or three years in, the roller coaster hasn't even really started yet.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I can get that now.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: Because you you brought up a really good point when you said, you know, a lot of people go get astrology readings because they want to know what the future has to offer, and you're like, well, I want you to focus on the the now.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: We're looking at what's happening now.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: And that makes sense to me that there's if you understand what's happening, there's a lack of resistance to it, or maybe you stop feeling like there's something wrong with you.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, why am I different?
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: Why is this happening to me?
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: Then it kind of explains.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: I call it being empowered.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: Most astrology readings, I don't believe, empower you.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: They they they they come from an authority and they tell you what the problems are.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: I had this lady yesterday that I was with who's a Western astrologer and she astrologer, and she said, This is stuck, and this is stuck, and that's this, and this is square this, and this is angle that, and this is this, and then she she talked herself into a corner.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: And and I I say, forget all that.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's true in Western astrology, perhaps, because that's the way people read the charts, but I'm not trying to disempower you.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to empower you and tell you what is going on and what you do need to do to get you unstuck.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: So give me an example of how somebody normally gets unstuck.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I believe that that as soon as you know what's going on, then that's the healing starts.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: Oh you know, you know, like like like you're with a with your with a partner, and the partner says, uh, you know, you're always late.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: It pisses me off.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you you say, well, why are you on why am I getting that face?
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: And you say, and you say, well, every time you're late, it pisses me off.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: Now I know what it is.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: Now I can deal with that.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: Now, now we're cooking with with oil here.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: Now I know what it is.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: Now I can I can cure that, that that it upsets you, that you know, that you know, it's not, we don't have the same point of view, but that's not the problem.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: The problem is that I have to be a little bit more sensitive that when I'm, you know, running on on Adrian time, not to put it to you, that that it can be triggering.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: So, so now I know, you know, and and and now that's power, you know.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: Now I now I can start to heal it and and and and not take it personal because I didn't know what it was before.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: Now I know what it is.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: See, that's a whole deeper level of this conversation.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think that that really answered my question.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: Because even in my healing work, when I'm teaching students, I'm like 60% of healing is awareness.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: So with the way you put it to me, I completely get it.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: Because you're like, well, there's something I can do about it because I understand it.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: I know it.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: So that that's a whole deeper level of getting a reading versus what's gonna happen to me next.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like I completely get what you're saying now.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's really cool, actually.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's the only way, that's the only way that I deal with it is at that level is that uh that to empower people, not to, not to uh uh uh they don't have to know the astrology.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: I know the astrology, they just have to listen.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: And it's their choice.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: If you ask me this, it's their choice whether what they do with it.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: I can't I can't change anybody, but but but what happens is I like to say uh I say this in in India because I deal with people uh face to face in India.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the West, it's more a zoom.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: But uh, you know, I say there's the you know there's the threshold of the door.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: When you're on this side of the threshold of the door, it's really clear.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: Now, what's gonna happen is you're gonna go over that threshold and all of a sudden it's gonna disappear.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: And the work is for you to get back to the clarity that you have right here.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: And how I'm gonna help you is I'm gonna give you the copy of the recording of the session.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: And you can listen to it as many times as you want in order to be able, you will hear things that you haven't heard before every time you listen to it, and that you you you you make five, ten, fifteen, or twenty to-do items, and you just start being aware.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: You start you just start being observing your own behavior, you start uh uh uh uh releasing what you need to release, you start loving yourself more, and then you will live in the moment, and then and then both sides of the doorway will be the same.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's the goal.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: I think I like this version that you're talking about better because I don't really like getting readings anymore, and that's because it generally is very disempowering.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: And approaching it from this angle is because sometimes my guides will straight up tell me you need to get a reading, and it will be something that I wasn't listening to that I needed to hear that I was only willing to hear from the person who I was receiving the reading from.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: And it's very much like this it's like you need to understand what's happening right now because you're confused, you're going in this direction, that direction.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you understand what's happening, it's gonna get you focused and headed in the right direction, right?
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I I like this version so much better because you know, people get stuck in this idea.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I know this from being a a psychic for so long when I was doing psychic readings, is that people get fixated on what you tell them.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like they don't have they they don't think they have free will, they can't change it.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: This is what you said.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: If it doesn't happen on this day at this time, then everything in the world is wrong, the good stuff is never gonna happen.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's like so wild how people have already given away their their power by the time they actually even come to you for a reading a lot of times.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: Not everybody, but the majority of people.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: And so to even understand that if people are contacting you for a reading, they're approaching it very differently.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: They're coming to you for a very specific reason, which is understanding themselves and their situation.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they they may not know that, but but what I say is the people are sent, and and quite often the people are in have changed planetary periods, they're in a particular or they're about to change planetary periods, or or sometimes they're they're well into it, but they haven't really understood that there's a change being asked of them.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what I'm speaking of specifically is people who listen to the podcast and they're getting they're understanding you, and they don't want to get a session with you, so not just a lot of things.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's my pleasure.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: If they get into, uh we can uh uh I'm sure you'll give them the information, we can give the information, but whatever.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh let me tell you that the way I start a reading, just just just to know, I the first thing I say, this is developed over a long time, is the reading is essence to essence, from higher self to higher self.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: Now we're gonna talk about personality because that's where the problems are, but we're not talking to personality or from personality.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: We want to have an objectivity about that we have to get into personality, but there is no good or bad, there is no right or wrong.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: If you could have done better, you would have done better.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: There's no judgments here.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I get I get from clients quite often that they don't, I mean, I'm talking about their worst stuff, and they don't feel judgmental about it because I'm not putting a judgmental on it, I'm just merely trying to um shine a light on that's what's going on, because that is the problem.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: The problem is is their their insecurity, the problem is is their uh uh being arrogant, the problem is is that they are uh um conditioned behavior, whatever it is, that the that the problem is is that they're not clear in their behavior and and it's not a curse, it's human nature.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: That I can understand.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: And it does.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: It feels good when you go to somebody and you don't feel like you're being judged, you're like, listen, it it's it's in the chart.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: It makes sense.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm not making this up to follow, right?
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: How do I they say, how do I how do you how do you know me so well?
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, Well, I don't know you're from Adam, but yeah, just you know, between the chart and the and the Enneagram, which is another modality that I use, and and and what they're radiating, you know, that's where I'm getting my information.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: I had a I had a uh an interesting uh this is a little bit of a side, but I had a very interesting experience many, many years ago.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: I had a 21-year-old, beautiful 21-year-old lady from uh Denmark, and who was uh was uh very closed.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: And um I said I tried to get her to express her feelings, and she was just really close.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: And so I I started to express like like your mother would to try to get her to to talk about how her emotions, like like if I could get her to say that her mother was emotional or something, or her reaction that her mother might do, uh I didn't know her mother from Adam, but but just to get her to to get into it.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: And um as I was saying that I could feel a change, and I said, Oh, you do feel and then a second or two later she started crying, and I learned that that the heart broke open and I could feel it right away because she was radiating it to me, and then uh then it got up to the head, and then the ear, the eyes started, and and you know, like a second or two later is quick, but in in microsecond time, the heart opening was so much earlier, and I could already feel it before the tears came.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I learned that people radiate to me what I'm supposed to say, what they're feeling that they don't say in words, but they radiate to me, and sometimes I'll say, Well, tell me, you know, what about there's something about your childhood?
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't usually say that, but occasionally I will say there's something about your childhood.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I get that from them.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: I feel a stuckness from them, and then we and then we explore, and there's usually something there, or something like that.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: But I but I get clues, I believe it's from them, their own uh um um higher self communicating, and my skill is to be able to listen, is to be able to hear it and to express it.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't have a skill, I'm not a channeler, but I have an ability, I've had this experience with clients that I can feel deeper.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: And if I make up an example of, for example, I just sort of laid on you the being late, and and maybe you know, when I do that, most of the time it turns out to be true that that's that's kind of an issue for somebody, and I'm not laying that on you, but that's what I find that happens that I make up an example, and I don't use the same one every time, but somehow I seem to hit on uh an example that's really uh uh uh that they can relate to, even though I'm just making up an example to just give them something totally off the cuff.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: If somebody's really late, yes.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: But my the way that I related it when you said it, because I actually laughed in my own head, was like, I hate when people waste my time.
• 34:48
  unknown: Okay.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so you weren't the late one.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: You were the one giving the eye rolls.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, there you go.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not the late one.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'm the one who can't stand when people are just like okay.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: So, so yeah, let's see, this is what happened.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: This is part of the reading, is is that is that somehow I didn't even, you know, I didn't even know.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: I thought you were the late one, but but you were the one with the eye rolling.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: And and that's why I emailed you and let you know, like, listen, don't show up because I'm gonna be about five minutes to go.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's right.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_00: You did tell me with my yeah, five minutes.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I don't like the fact that I'm gonna be late.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I if I know what I'm gonna tell you, but yeah, it's it's like because I didn't want to waste your time.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: I I didn't see, I wasn't really cognizant that that's the of course the clues are clear, but my point is that I don't have a conscious clue about any of that, but yet I somehow seem to hit on it.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: And you want to know what the reading's like, that's what the reading is like.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: Nice.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: Tell people how they can uh get a reading with you.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I have a website, Indra Rinsler, all one word.com.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: You can uh read about the readings.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: I have different I do I do life readings, which is with the Enneagram and the Vedic astrology and something that I call the wheel of totality.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's the blind spots of life.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's a very deep reading.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then I do uh location astrology, astrocotography, if you want to know about the power of place.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: I love to do relationship readings.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: I do family dynamic readings where we we do a relationship reading, but we do it with uh parents or kids or or anybody, bosses if you can get the time, you know, whoever you're having you want to understand in a better way.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh brothers and sisters, you know, can can be that.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um I do other readings, but those are the main ones counseling, spiritual counseling.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, that's the uh and I'm gonna give your uh uh to the listeners, there's two free offers that I like to give.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that would be your I'll I'll send you your Vedic astrology chart.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's um, I need you to email me at indrainsler at gmail.com.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: Indra Rinsler is all one word with nothing in between.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh at gmail.com, you send me your uh date of birth, uh place, and time, and I will send you back a chart.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's not a free reading, but I will send you back your chart with a little bit of explanation and then a comment or two.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: A little bit of explanation of how to read it, and then uh a comment or two.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're interested in learning about the Enneagram, which we haven't talked about, nine personality types.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: One of them is at your core, it's the uh the the uh patterning, it's the uh core triggers.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um I will send you a simple test, five or ten minutes, that will um give you either give you your number, they're they're numbered one through nine, they also have names, or it will start to um will eliminate a few and and start to get closer that you can read about which ones you are.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's uh also free.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: Just write me at indrainsler at gmail.com and um um let me know and I will send that back to you right away.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, any links that you have are gonna be placing in the description of this podcast.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: You guys, if you're opening it up in your phone, just make sure you scroll down to see those actual links because that's important to your next step if you feel drawn to this uh podcast.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I will just put my two cents out there, you guys, is one of the reasons that I wanted to do this podcast interview is because I absolutely love Vedic astrology.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: I love it more than Western astrology, and it's it's helped me understand myself and where I'm at on such a deep level that I actually, my healing clients, I actually refer them to go get astrology readings, uh, vetic astrology readings so we can understand a little bit deeper of the things that maybe we need to heal or we have to look at, or where this is a good period gonna come, you know, so that people have something to look forward to.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: Where am I at in my life and how are things getting ready to shift?
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: Because the healing is leading you there.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: And so a lot of times people can see in their chart how it's kind of unfolding.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: And so I personally really love this work.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: I want to, if I can, I'd like to mention one other thing is uh the book Indra's net, a seeker's guide to the human experience.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: I published it uh uh last fall.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's a really deep book, it's uh very reflective, it's easy to read.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: And uh a lady this morning told me that uh that uh that I said, well, I could just lay down on a park bench and do it.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: And it wasn't, you don't have to go through hoops that you get out of it, and people tend to read it very slowly.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: You can open it up, and uh it's it's based on it's it's formatted as a tarot deck.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: There's 78 chapters, but you don't have to know anything about the tarot.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's not really about the tarot, it's using the tarot as a way of life that that I had 78 subjects, ended up with, well, I ended up with a few more, but they they there was no order to them.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: But when I when I got the message that I put them into a tarot deck, all of a sudden they had an order that was uh mind-blowing, and I understood the themes deeper than I did the themes being the uh a 500 to a thousand-word uh uh essay on each each in each card.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I understood them in a way that I never understood them before.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: And um each each we call them chapters now, or each card has a has a photo, has a caption on the photo, which makes you think, and then the the experience, which is the theme, and then the leveling up at the bottom is is exercises and lessons of that card and significance of the card, uh uh affirmation, uh uh uh hier octave, uh how to think of it in a larger way, uh the next step, and contemplate.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's so awesome.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: Where can people buy that book?
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Amazon, and um and you can get it through your local bookstore, they can order it for you.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: Can you send us the link to that Amazon so we can put it in the description?
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for being here.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: I have two more questions for you, and then we're ending this episode.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: First question is what is a miracle to you?
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: What's a miracle to me?
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_00: What's a miracle?
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the moment is a miracle.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_01: Every day is a miracle.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: Sunshine is a miracle, clouds are a miracle.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: Breathing and and digesting for many people is a miracle.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: Loving, what a miracle to be able to feel such connection to other people wherever they are, alive or dead.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's definitely a miracle.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_00: And what are the last words you would like viewers to hear?
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: What's the message that you have for viewers or listeners?
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the ones the the what I normally give is love yourself.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: Just keep it simple.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: Love yourself, appreciate who you are, and appreciate the your abilities, and and give yourself the you know, the that if you uh lady yesterday said, I take care of everybody, I need somebody to take care of me.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_01: And and that needs to be her.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's a place to start.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: We need to love ourselves, we need to appreciate who we are, we need to realize that we need we have places we need to grow, but that's not a reason not to love us.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: So uh when you uh you know, like uh in a drawing, you know, the mouth is down or the mouth is up, it's a whole different look, you know.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_01: When we when we uh feel uh an attitude, uh a positive attitude inside of us, it it will change the whole uh uh the whole day.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: Moment to moment.