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5 Netflix True Crime Series That Exposed the Most Notorious Homes and Their Dark Pasts · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: Okay, imagine this. You're driving down a street. It's a
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maybe late afternoon. You see this house, perfectly normal, right,
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lawns mode, fresh pain, maybe like a basketball hoop in
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the drive. It looks well, it looks.
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Speaker 2: Like every other house, completely ordinary, painfully so, even exactly.
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Speaker 1: But under that siding, under the floorboards, maybe even under
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the concrete in the backyard, there's a story. A history's
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so dark and thanks to streaming, so globally known that
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no amount of cleaning or repainting can ever really hide it.
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Speaker 2: That's the core of it, isn't it. Stigma used to
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be a local thing, a whisper network. If a house
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had a dark pass, maybe the neighbors knew, maybe the
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town new right.
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Speaker 1: You'd have to be there to hear the stories.
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Speaker 2: But now with Netflix, with these big true crime docuseries,
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that local stain it goes global overnight. It becomes this
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scarlet letter broadcast to millions.
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Speaker 1: So welcome back everyone to the deep dive. Today. We're
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digging into the sources you sentis looking at how five
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specific true crime shows is basically turn these quiet, normal
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addresses into well international horror landmarks.
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Speaker 2: And our goal here, our mission for this deep dive
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is really to unpack how that happens. How do these
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shows turn the houses themselves into characters. What does it
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do to the housing market when you can swipe through
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a three D model of a crime scene on your phone.
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Speaker 1: And what does all this digital immersion, this constant access
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due to how we see things, how we perceive privacy
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home reality itself.
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Speaker 2: It's a huge shift, and one observation from the research
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really nails it. Evil doesn't always lurk in crumbling castles,
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it hides behind vinyl sighting in the suburbs.
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Speaker 1: That quote hits hard. We're talking five infamous properties, thousands
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upon thousands of Internet sleuths digging into every detail, and
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this fundamental change from like old spooky, hotted houses to
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these modern, documentary driven stigmatized properties. So let's unpack that
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idea first, the shock of the mundane, because that's really
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what powers this whole genre, right, Why these specific addresses
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stick in our minds.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, We're kind of wired to expect bad things in
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spooky places, abandoned buildings, dark alleys, yeah, the usual horror tropes, right,
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But when the absolute worst happens in a place that
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looks completely safe, completely normal That contrast is incredibly powerful,
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and the documentarians they know this. Our source material shows
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they lean into that contrast.
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Speaker 1: Hard because the normalcy is the deception, that's the twist.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. The killer isn't some monster lurking in the shadows.
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Often it's someone trusted operating in the most harmless looking
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setting imaginable, a neighbor.
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Speaker 1: A caregiver, someone baking impanadus for the hoa.
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Speaker 2: Maybe precisely. And the true crime series takes that suburban dream,
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the nice house, the friendly neighbor, and just rips it
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open to show the rot underneath. It violates that sense
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of safety.
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Speaker 1: In case one from our sources, the one they call
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the House that eight Children, is just a textbook example
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of this. Yeah, we're talking sixty three sixty swe thirty
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eighth Court, Kendall, Florida.
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Speaker 2: Kendall, Florida. Think about that setting. It's sunny, suburban, lots
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of retire these families exactly the kind of place you'd
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picture a snowbird nest, as the sources put it. Pastel
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stucco bungalow looks totally harmless.
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Speaker 1: And the owner, Carmen Ramirez, she fit right in ran
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a state licensed daycare from the house.
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Speaker 2: Which is key right, state licensed, that implies trust, oversight, safety.
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She was integrated into the community, fabric baking for the HOA.
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I mean, she's the picture of benign neighborliness, utterly non threatening.
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Speaker 1: Until she wasn't. The series about her Monster in the
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House apparently uses this contrast to devastating effect. Right from
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the start, drone shots over perfect lawns, then this sickening
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dive right into the backyard dig site.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the sources detail that reveal its specific animdia. They
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start digging in the backyard, specifically under the coy pond,
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A coy.
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Speaker 1: Pond, a symbol of peace, tranquility.
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Speaker 2: Turned into a grave site. And the detail that just
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seals the horror, the one everyone remembers from the show.
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Day one of the dig the dog's alert on something.
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It's a lunch a he Man lunchbox, that specific nostalgic
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detail from the eighties found next to the remains of
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three toddlers. It just cements the horror in your mind,
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makes that specific address unforgettable.
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Speaker 1: Three toddlers, and even after arrest, Ramirez tried to maintain
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the deception, didn't she The documentary showed her interview.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the jailhouse interview is apparently a centerpiece her defense.
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The kids just fell asleep forever after drinking some homemade
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guava juice. She gave out the juice, right. But then
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the documentary walks you through the toxicology report methodically, step
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by step, and it confirms anti freeze, no ambiguity, just
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cold calculated murder, tied directly to that pastel house, that
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cooypon that address.
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Speaker 1: And this is where the Netflix effect, as we're calling it,
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really kicks in. It creates this digital scar exactly.
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Speaker 2: They didn't just tell the story, they made it interactive.
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They built this viral three D forensic model of the
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house like video game graphics.
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Speaker 1: Love so actually explore it.
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Speaker 2: You can swipe through the layers on your tablet. You
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see the play room, okay, swipe now you're seeing the subfloor.
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Swipe again, the concrete slap. Swipe one more time, and
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you're looking down into the digital graves.
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Speaker 1: Wow, that's intense. That changes everything. It's not passive watching anymore.
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Speaker 2: It's active participation in the violation of that space. You're
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forced to confront what happened there layer by layer, and.
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Speaker 1: The impact in the real world. Was it immediate staggering?
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Speaker 2: The sources say within forty eight hours of that three
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D model hitting the internet, the place was swarmed. TikToker
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is doing live streams from the sidewalk.
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Speaker 1: Seriously like seances apparently.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, holding these weird kind of disrespectful vigils right where
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the pond used to be, that address sixty three sixty
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SW one th eighth Court. It just instantly became public,
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an international landmark for tragedy.
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Speaker 1: So what happens to the house itself? I mean, legally
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it's still private property, right, Yeah? How does this digital
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stuff actually force down the price or make it unsellable?
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Speaker 2: It's not about breaking law, it's about shattering the context.
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They're just showing the truth, the geographical facts. But in
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this horrifying new light and the market reaction is swift
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and brutal.
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Speaker 1: Zilodlisted it. What does that even mean? Did the owner
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ask here?
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Speaker 2: The listing agent pulled it. According to the sources, they
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saw the writing on the wall, the harassment, the impossibility
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of finding a normal buyer, so they put it on hold,
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basically made it disappear from the site temporarily.
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Speaker 1: But the damage was done.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the last asking price was one hundred and
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eighty nine thousand dollars. That was sixty grand under market
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value for Kendall at the time.
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Speaker 1: Sixty thousand dollars just evaporated by a documentary feature.
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Speaker 2: A thirty percent price cut, essentially just from the stigma
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manufactured and broadcast worldwide. The house became toxic. The shame
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itself became the defining feature. And that brings up a
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really interesting point, moving beyond just the shock value, how
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does the actual architecture player role the physical layout, the
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hidden spaces.
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Speaker 1: You mean the house isn't just a backdrop exactly.
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Speaker 2: Our source material suggests the documentarians often focus on how
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the perpetrators use the house's features, crawl spaces, basements, weird additions.
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The house itself becomes almost like a co conspirator in
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the crime, and the series highlights these features.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's a creepy thought, the house enabling the horror,
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turning hidden corners into the main event. Like in case two,
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the Luca magnota situation in Montreal.
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Speaker 2: Precisely, that's a fascinating study in architectural contrast. Before this
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Montreal house magnotas crimes were in these bland, forgettable apartments,
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functionally irrelevant.
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Speaker 1: Spaces right ant.
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Speaker 2: Then he moves to five seven twenty to carry boulevard,
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a sprawling Victorian fourteen rooms, eleven fireplaces. It screams history, stability, wealth,
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the perfect disguise.
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Speaker 1: But the complexity of that old house, the nooks and crannies, Yeah,
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that's what allowed for the concealment, wasn't it.
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Speaker 2: Yes, The sources pinpoint the specific space, this tight crawl
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space hidden behind ornate crown molding. That's where they found
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june Lyn's torso the very decorative elements of the Victorian
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style provided the hiding spot.
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Speaker 1: And wasn't there something about a freezer too.
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Speaker 2: A walk in freezer, Yeah, used previously, apparently to store
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vacuum sealed remains of cats he'd killed. The sheer scale
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and permanence of the Victorian mansion lent this this awful
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grandeur to the crimes that was missing before. It felt
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more planned, more rooted in the space.
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Speaker 1: And the documentary team for the newer cut, the remastered version, Yeah,
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they did something pretty controversial with the architecture idea, didn't they,
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involving Amanda Knox.
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Speaker 2: They really pushed the boundaries yeah, market Amanda Knox directed it,
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and they actually rented an Airbnb with an identical floor
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plan to the Magnotium mansion.
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Speaker 1: Wait, they rented a different house just because it had
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the same layout.
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Speaker 2: Why to recreate the filming of the snuff videos using
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mannequins and food coloring? Obviously, but their argument was they
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needed to understand the space, the lighting, the angles, how
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the architecture functioned during the crime.
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Speaker 1: That feels incredibly meta and kind of ghoulish renting a
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space to mimic atrocities. Did people push back on that osively?
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Speaker 2: The ethics are murky, to say the least. The Knoxes
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defended it as essentral research, saying the house's layout was
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inseparable from the act. But here's the kicker. The airbnb
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owner kicked them out mid shoot a because the fake
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blood looked too real and violated the rental agreement. It
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just shows how tightly bound the crime is to the architecture,
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even a replica of it.
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Speaker 1: Wow, So what about the actual house now, the real
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fifty seven to twenty to carry it? There's someone living there,
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a tech bro.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently he bought its sight unseen, probably thought it
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was an investment. Flip didn't realize it's global infamy and.
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Speaker 1: He has to deal with Uber Eats deliveries addressed to
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resident Killer seriously daily. According to the sources, he appears
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in the dock only in silhouette voice, disguised. He's become
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a target himself. Is there nothing he can do legally?
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It's tough. The harassment is mostly digital or these weird deliveries.
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It's coming from all over the world. How do you
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sue thousands of anonymous internet trolls? The sources say, he
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just fields the deliveries, tries to ignore the lookie louse
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taking pictures. His home isn't really private anymore. It belongs
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to the true crime audience.
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Speaker 2: Now that's genuinely disturbing. Okay, let's shift to Case three,
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Dorothea Puente's boarding house in Sacramento, fourteen twenty six f Street.
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This one, Flip's script looks sweet and charming on the outside.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely deception wrapped in Victorian charm, a cute little house,
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reasonable rent, and the sinister perk of free shary nightcaps
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for her elderly, often vulnerable.
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Speaker 2: Tenets, who then started disappearing exactly the.
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Speaker 1: House presented itself as this safe haven, this charitable place,
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perfect cover, and.
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Speaker 2: The documentary about her really leaned into the forensics as drama.
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Right the ground penetrating radar scene, Oh, that sequence is
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pure morbid spectacle. According to the sources highly effective TV.
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You have a forensic landscaper and meticulously using ground penetrating
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radar in.
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Speaker 1: The yard looking for bodies.
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Speaker 2: While elderly actors extras are just sipping tea peacefully on
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the porch in the background. That juxtaposition idyllic calm and
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grim science is chilling. Every beap of the radar builds suspense.
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Speaker 1: And they live stream the actual excavation.
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Speaker 2: They did drew a huge audience, forty thousand people watching
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live as they dug until Twitch shut it.
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Speaker 1: Down for excessive gore. Even though they weren't showing bodies.
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Speaker 2: Yet, just the implication was enough. The constant suggestion of
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what was buried just feet away the house provided the
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perfect concealment. Floor plans showed this maze of false walls inside,
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and the garden outside was well fertilized with more than compost.
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Speaker 1: So how did the city the government react to this
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level of infamy.
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Speaker 2: Sacramento's response was pretty unprecedented. They literally slapped a scarlet
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H for homicide right onto the official building permit, a
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permanent mark. Permanent. It's a bureaucratic warning label. It legally
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restricts future use, requires extra disclosures, makes financing harder. It's
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the city acknowledging the property's tainted history and perpetuity.
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Speaker 1: But people still tried to flip it, right, the ghost
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flip attempt.
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Speaker 2: Of course, someone always tries to cash in. Sources detail
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the attempt, paint it trendy, gray stage it nicely market
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it as vintage chic, total denial of the past.
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Speaker 1: How did that end?
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Speaker 2: Disaster? First open house, a potential buyer is checking out
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the rebuilt coypond area because of course there's another choypon involved.
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Kidding Nope, and they find a human tooth in the
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bond filter.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god.
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Speaker 2: The house just wouldn't let go physically refuse to be sanitized. Eventually,
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the lot was turned into the Puente Piece Garden, supposedly
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just a community garden now. But that scarlet H on
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the paperwork, it's still there.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So this really pushes us into the next phase,
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doesn't it. Digital immersion. It's not just watching a show anymore.
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Platforms are using VR light oar stands, black lights, turning
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the viewing experience itself into something interactive and frankly, deeply
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stigmatizing for the actual address.
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Speaker 2: That's the shift exactly. It's gone from informing to immersing.
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The tech aims to make you feel like you are
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standing there in the room where it happened.
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Speaker 1: And when you've digitally walked through a stranger's house, explored
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the crime scene, does that house even feel private anymore
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to the viewer or the owner?
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Speaker 2: That's the question. You feel this weird sense of intimacy
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with the space, maybe even more than the person living there. Now,
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privacy is fundamentally eroded by that level of digital access.
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You feel like you know that house.
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Speaker 1: Let's look at case four, the night Stalker series, eleven
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eleven North Genesee Avenue in LA. The sources mentioned the
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full VR tie in.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a big step for true crime marketing.
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Put on headset and suddenly you're standing inside the exact
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bedroom where Richard Ramirez attacked.
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Speaker 1: You hear the nine to one one call, the.
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Speaker 2: Real call, yeah, echoing around you. In this digital reconstruction,
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you see representations of the evidence. It's a form of
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digital voyeurism packaged as insight. It crosses a line from
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viewing into experiencing in a way, and.
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Speaker 1: The documentary itself becomes less a story more like yeah,
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a catalog of horrors tied to that address.
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Speaker 2: Precisely, the camera lingers on the details Ramirez left, the
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pentagrams carved into the headboard, the lipstick message on the
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mirror jack, the knife sends regards chilling. But the detail
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that really gets under your skin. Highlighted in the series
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is the child's crayon drawing taped above the crib. The
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family got out just in time, and Ramirez apparently didn't
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touch it. Highlighting something so innocent and vulnerable in that context,
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it creates this morbid connection for the viewer to that
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specific spot in that specific.
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Speaker 1: House, and the neighborhood reaction in La must have been intense.
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Speaker 2: Volatile is a good word. The house flipped three times
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in just eighteen months. Each new owner tried a full
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gut renovation, trying to erase the past.
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Speaker 1: Did it work?
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Speaker 2: Not really? The sources mentioned demolition photos kept showing the
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original terracotta floor tiles resurfacing, like the house itself was
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resisting the change, and the ghost hunters, the paranormal YouTubers,
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they were relentless trying to break in hold seances. It
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got so bad the city of la had to pass
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a special anti ghoul loitering ordinance specifically for that area.
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Speaker 1: An anti goool law.
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Speaker 2: Yep. And now there's an official historic plaque on the street.
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It just reads site of Unspeakable Tragedy. The address is
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officially permanently a public monument to horror.
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Speaker 1: Wow okay, Case five the Staircase two point zero Durham,
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North Carolina, eighteen ten Cedar Street. This shows how new
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tech is being used now years later to reignite old
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cases and maybe drive narratives.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Michael Peterson's case was already famous, divisive. Did Kathleen
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fall or was she pushed? The original doc left it ambiguous.
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Speaker 1: Right, the owl theory and everything.
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Speaker 2: But the twenty twenty two reboot brings in this new
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tech bombshell light or scans, laser mapping of the entire house,
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including the infamous staircase.
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Speaker 1: And what did the light er find or what did
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the show say it thound?
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Speaker 2: That's the key question. The show dramatically reveals a hidden
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sub basement under the staircase structure, and the claim in
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the source material is that in this space they found
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evidings where owl feathers and human blood commingle.
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Speaker 1: Seriously, owl feathers and blood years later.
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Speaker 2: That's the narrative presented. Whether it's definitive proof is debatable,
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but the use of the technology itself is the point.
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It wasn't just about solving the crime anymore. It was
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deployed specifically to inject new drama, new fuel for the
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owl theory into a decade's old story for the reboot,
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pure narrative manipulation via tech.
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Speaker 1: And the people who own the house now they lean
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into it.
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Speaker 2: Oh, they embrace it fully. Hosted a watch party for
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the new series right there in the foyer where Kathleen died.
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No way, Yes, and the sources note this incredible, almost
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surreal detail. Their nest security camera apparently glitches out every
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single time someone at these parties laughs about the owl theory.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's next level. The tech itself is becoming part
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of the house's haunted lore.
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Speaker 2: It turns the owners into performers in the ongoing spectacle.
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They're monetizing their life in a global crime scene.
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Speaker 1: So how do you even sell a house like that?
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What's the listing say, needs work, possible ghost owl?
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Speaker 2: Pretty much the listing was brutally on it motivated seller,
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paranormal activity disclosed.
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Speaker 1: They actually disclosed paranormal activity yep.
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Speaker 2: And the Zillow three D tour it had a black
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light mode. You could toggle it on and see where
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the alleged blood spatter still glowed. You weren't selling at home.
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They were selling the nightmare, the notoriety.
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Speaker 1: Selling infamy as a feature exactly.
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Speaker 2: It eventually sold in twenty twenty four to an LLC
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registered in the Cayman.
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Speaker 1: Islands U anonymous offshore buyer always a good sign.
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Speaker 2: Usually means someone trying to limit liability, maybe explore unconventional uses.
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And the rumor, unconfirmed but widely circulated, is that it's
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being turned into an escape room.
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Speaker 1: An escape room call fall risk.
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Speaker 2: Oh come on, that's darkly brilliant and incredibly cynical.
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Speaker 1: You really can't make this stuff up, turning tragedy directly
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into ticket sales. Mm hmm. So let's pull back a
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bit and look at the bigger picture, the systemic impact.
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We're moving beyond just these five houses. Now what does
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all this true chrome exposure mean for the real estate
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market as a whole, eating a whole new category of
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risk in a new kind of market.
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Speaker 2: Definitely, we're seeing the emergence of what the sources call
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a morbid market, and there's a measurable financial hit associated
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with it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk numbers. The sources mention a specific term,
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the Dahmer discount.
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Speaker 2: That's the one redfinn crunched the numbers and they found
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consistently about a forty two percent drop in market value
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for any home that gets featured prominently in a major
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globally screamed true crime documentary.
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Speaker 1: Forty two percent, nearly half the value just gone poof.
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Speaker 2: Wiped out my TV show. The global notoriety instantly creaters
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the financial value that's the price tag for having your
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address become a binge watch location.
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Speaker 1: And it's not just feelings, right, it's real costs. Insurance,
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security lawyers.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you can't get normal home insurance easily. You probably
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need security systems, maybe even guards because of the look
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you lose. And worse, Yeah, you're definitely going to have
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legal costs dealing with trespassers or harassment. The pool of
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potential buyers shrinks dramatically.
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Speaker 1: So who does buy these places.
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Speaker 2: Not your average family. It's usually investors looking to somehow
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capitalize on the notoriety, or very very niche buyers who
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are prepared for the hassle, which brings us to the
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legal mess. The laws just haven't kept pace with this
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global visibility.
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Speaker 1: The disclosure laws are all over the place, aren't they completely.
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Speaker 2: Look at California, they require you to disclose a death
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on the property if it happened within the last three years.
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That's relatively strict.
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Speaker 1: Okay, three years now.
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Speaker 2: Look at New York or many places back east. The
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laws often say you shouldn't mention things like murders or suicides.
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They call it psychological stigma and argue it's not a
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physical defect, so don't bring it up unless ask directly.
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Speaker 1: But who cares about state lines are a three year rule?
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When Netflix just broadcasts the address, the photos, the three
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D models, the whole gruesome story to two hundred million
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people worldwide.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, Netflix, Hulu, HBO, they operate outside those local rules.
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They just put the information out there. It's permanently linked
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to the address on Google Maps. On Zillo's history everywhere.
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The global audience is the disclosure. Now there's no hiding it.
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Speaker 1: And this creates openings for new kinds of businesses. The
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shadow economy of morbid curiosity it's booming.
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Speaker 2: Dark tourism isn't just a weird hobby anymore. It's a
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business model. The sources mention Airbnb listings, maybe not the
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actual house, but nearby, using taglines like sleep where she screamed.
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Speaker 1: Oh that's grim for how much.
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Speaker 2: Seven hundred and ninety nine dollars a night in one example,
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selling proximity to trauma as a luxury experience.
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Speaker 1: And insurance for the owners. The poltergeist writer.
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Speaker 2: It sounds funny, but it's real. Paranormal insurers offer these writers.
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It's not really about ghosts, obviously, it's coverage for the
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actual risks vandalism, trespassing, liability. If a Google loiterer, as
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the ordinance called them, gets hurt on your property while
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trying to peek in the windows, it's a necessary financial shield.
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Speaker 1: But the absolute peak of this, this morbid capitalism, has
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to be that startup ghost Flip.
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Speaker 2: Ghost Flip is something else. It's the ultimate commodification loop.
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Their model, buy these infamous properties cheap the Dummer discount,
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then livestream the renovation.
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Speaker 1: You're in the demolition into content.
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Speaker 2: Into a reality show basically, and here's the kicker. They
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sell an FT's of the sledgehammer swings.
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Speaker 1: They sell digital tokens of someone smashing a wall in
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her murder house.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, you're not buying the house. You're not even buying
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a piece of the house. You're buying a digital receipt
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proof that you financially participated in the erasure of the
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physical history.
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Speaker 1: That's profoundly weird. You own the distruction, its performance art.
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Speaker 2: Renovation allows people globally to invest in cleansing the stigma,
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while ghosts flip profits from the notoriety on the way
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in during the demo and potentially on the way out
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when they sell the clean house. It's maximizing profit at
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every stage of the trauma cycle.
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Speaker 1: Wow, just and the sources give us this final recurring
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image that sums it all up right.
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Speaker 2: The last shot of these series always the same, that
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close up a for sale sign, maybe swinging a little
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in the wind, phone number blurred or ripped off, and
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right there in the dirt or on the pavement, fresh
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tire tracks from the latest person who drove by.
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Speaker 1: Just to look looky loose.
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Speaker 2: And that quote from the Survivor and the Monster in
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the House series, it just says it all. They didn't
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just film the crime, they filmed the address. Now the
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whole world owns a piece of.
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Speaker 1: My nightmare hashtag tag outro.
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Speaker 2: So where does this leave us? I mean, the main
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takeaway from this deep dive seems pretty stark true crime streaming.
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It's not just telling stories about the past anymore. It's
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actively changing the present value, the privacy, the very meaning
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of these physical places. These private homes are becoming public
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horror museums.
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Speaker 1: Basically, yeah, we've gone way past local gossip. It's global,
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interactive three D crime scene tourism from your couch, right.
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And it really forces a difficult question, building on what
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the sources say about Google Earth digital mapping, how everything
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is visible. Now, if this global curiosity, amplified by these
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screaming platforms of their tech has effected erased the practical
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privacy of these homes, what responsibility do the streamers.
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Speaker 2: Have h you mean ethically, Yeah, what's the ethical obligation
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if any when you knowingly choose to make someone's quiet
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street their private home, the setting for your next global
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binge watch hit, something maybe for you, the listener, to
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think about next time you look up your own house online.
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Just knowing that somewhere, some ordinary house is maybe just
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waiting for its
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Speaker 1: Close up, a chilling thought to end on, We'll see
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you on the next deep dive.