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NHL: Which Goalies Would You Start Game 7 Stanley Cup Finals? · Sports Exchange

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  Speaker 1: Good evening, everybody. Welcome to another edition of the Force
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  Speaker 1: of Change. My name is Scott Morgan. I'm from the
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  Speaker 1: city of Mademoiselle. Pleased to be joined by Cliff Neal.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back, Cliff.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, how's it going, Scott?
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  Speaker 1: Doing great, Cliff. Glad to have you, as always. And
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  Speaker 1: we have Lucas Nelson. Glad to have Lucas back. All
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  Speaker 1: in all, Scott, thanks for having me. I'll enjoy it.
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  Speaker 1: And we have Candy in the house. And Jason Proctor
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  Speaker 1: will be in. And in a little while, Rob Morasta
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  Speaker 1: will be on around 10 o'clock or so. So let's
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  Speaker 1: get going here. We're going to talk about every record
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  Speaker 1: in the Stanley Cup final, what that means for all
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  Speaker 1: the teams that have been and haven't been. And I'll
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  Speaker 1: go over a bunch of them. Montreal is 23-10 when
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  Speaker 1: they're in there.
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  Speaker 3: Toronto is 13-8.
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  Speaker 1: The Red Wings are 11-13. Chicago is 6-7.
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  Speaker 4: Boston.
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  Speaker 1: when they've been there, 6-14. The Pittsburgh Penguins, 5-1. Edmonton, 5-4.
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  Speaker 1: Even your New York Islanders clip are 4-1 when they're there,
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  Speaker 1: so they're above 500. You have the New York Rangers,
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  Speaker 1: which I'm glad you're here about. They're 4-7 under 500.
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  Speaker 1: That's to make you feel good. Colorado is 3-0. Tampa Bay, 3-2.
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  Speaker 1: New Jersey, 3-2. Carolina is 2-1. Los Angeles, 2-1. Florida
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  Speaker 1: is 2-2. Philadelphia is 2-6. And let's continue on. Then
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  Speaker 1: you have Anaheim is 1-1. Washington, 1-1. Vegas, 1-2. Calgary, 1-2.
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  Speaker 2: St.
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  Speaker 1: Louis, 1-3. Dallas, 1-4. Columbus, 0-0. Minnesota, 0-0. And, of course,
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  Speaker 1: you have Seattle, Utah, Winnipeg, 0-0. Nashville, 0-1. Ottawa and
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  Speaker 1: San Jose. Buffalo, 0-2. And Vancouver, 0-3. And there you
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  Speaker 1: have it. All right, well. Which one of these stands
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  Speaker 1: out to you? All right, Jason, glad to have you
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  Speaker 1: in here. We're just talking about records in here. So
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  Speaker 1: I'll call on you last, and then Candy will get
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  Speaker 1: you up to date. What are your thoughts about that list?
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  Speaker 2: Well, obviously, back in the past, it's Montreal. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: but it was, I mean, they have so many. But
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  Speaker 2: it's been since 1993 since they, you know, they've won.
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  Speaker 2: So there's that. No, a Canadian team hasn't– any type
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  Speaker 2: of Canadian team hasn't won since they last won. And
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  Speaker 2: so it's like that's– they're the standard bearer for all
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  Speaker 2: Stanley Cups, but there's always that asterisk next to it
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  Speaker 2: that there's only six teams forever. So that adds something
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  Speaker 2: to it, which makes the Rangers even sadder because there
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  Speaker 2: was only six teams. They have the same amount of
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  Speaker 2: Stanley Cups as the Islanders who came in 1972. Um,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they haven't been great either recently, but I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's so, but yeah, it has to be the Canadians. Um,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if the ones who've been in there, I mean, I, I,
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  Speaker 2: the one thing that does, uh, stand out is Vegas.
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  Speaker 2: They haven't been a team that long. They got in
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  Speaker 2: the Stanley cup finals the first year of their existence.
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  Speaker 2: That never, that's, I'd never remember a, uh, a time
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  Speaker 2: where that ever happened with, uh, with a team, uh,
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  Speaker 2: doing that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they've been there three times in their nine years
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  Speaker 1: of existence. I think that's pretty impressive.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's incredibly impressive, especially when you get their first year.
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  Speaker 2: No expansion team goes to the championship in their first
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  Speaker 2: year in an established league.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you. Okay. Lucas?
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  Speaker 5: Expanding on that, I mean, the only team that really
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  Speaker 5: comes into mind just in sports in general is the
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  Speaker 5: Arizona Diamondbacks. They took three years to make that happen. So,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, that was... It's a rarity. As far as
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  Speaker 5: the teams that have won it, you have to go
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  Speaker 5: below Boston to even have anything relevant now because none
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  Speaker 5: of those teams in the past five to six years
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  Speaker 5: have really made any tread to be a Stanley Cup contender.
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  Speaker 5: It's kind of sad. Detroit's making money. making some waves
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  Speaker 5: and Edmonton's making some waves, but all the others, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: they haven't done much. So it's kind of sad. The old,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, back in the day, there were only
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  Speaker 5: six teams. So, but yeah, making some headway. I'm hopefully
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  Speaker 5: restoring some old fashioned hockey here soon.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Let me go with the list that Jason just came
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  Speaker 1: in here. Montreal, 23 and 10 Toronto, 13, eight, Haven't
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  Speaker 1: been there since 67, so that's been there for a while.
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  Speaker 1: Detroit's 11 and 13. Chicago's 6 and 7. Boston's 6
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  Speaker 1: and 14. Pittsburgh's 5 and 1. Edmonton's 5 and 4.
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  Speaker 1: The Islanders are 4 and 1. Those are some of
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  Speaker 1: them that you have, and you also have the Kings
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  Speaker 1: are 2 and 1. The Panthers are 2 and 2.
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  Speaker 1: The Philadelphia Flyers are 2 and 6. Tampa Bay is
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  Speaker 1: 3 and 2 in Colorado. Formerly the Quebec Nordiques are
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  Speaker 1: 3 and 0. So those are some of the ones
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  Speaker 1: that you have there. So what are your thoughts about
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  Speaker 1: the records that you have? Obviously, Seattle, Utah, Winnipeg are
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  Speaker 1: goose eggs. They really have been around a long time. Jason,
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  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts about that list?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm glad you brought up the Flyers there because,
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  Speaker 7: you know, they were actually really good in the 80s,
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  Speaker 7: but they kept running into the Edmonton Oilers. So that's
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  Speaker 7: kind of And then, you know, Red Wings won in
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  Speaker 7: 97 versus Philly. So they've made it there, you know,
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  Speaker 7: eight times, only won twice. But, you know, I just
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  Speaker 7: feel like there's a lot of parity now with hockey,
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  Speaker 7: more than it has been in the last 15, 20 years.
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  Speaker 7: You know, like Florida Panthers, no one knew that there
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  Speaker 7: were going to be some powerhouse. And it seems like
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  Speaker 7: they're in it every year. A good point, Cliff was
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  Speaker 7: making three out of nine years for Vegas.
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  Speaker 4: The Kings, two and one.
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  Speaker 7: I think maybe Canada, they're just starving for a Stanley Cup.
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  Speaker 7: They're just starving for it in Montreal. I remember that series, 4-1.
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  Speaker 7: It probably would have been a Toronto-Montreal 93 Cup there
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  Speaker 7: if it wasn't for Gretzky, but Like I said, I
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  Speaker 7: like the list. I think as far as goalies, I
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  Speaker 7: like Dominic Hasek, man. He just, he can put a
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  Speaker 7: team on his back. He can put a team on
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  Speaker 7: his back and win.
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  Speaker 4: Go ahead, Scott.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll get to that in a minute. I just
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  Speaker 1: want to focus on the team situation first.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, sure. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Katie, anything you want to add to it?
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  Speaker 8: I mean, one of the things that stood out to
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  Speaker 8: me is you said, I think you said the Red
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  Speaker 8: Wings were, what, 11 and 14? So like 25 times,
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  Speaker 8: you know, they've been there.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what the revenues number is right now.
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  Speaker 1: They're 11 and 13.
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  Speaker 3: 11 and 13.
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  Speaker 8: So, you know, 24 times. That just goes to show
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  Speaker 8: you how good they were for how long to get there.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, obviously they didn't get.
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  Speaker 8: Over the hump as much as they wanted to. And
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  Speaker 8: I understand they're one of the original six. But it
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  Speaker 8: speaks to longevity, too, in the league. that they could
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  Speaker 8: be that relevant for that long.
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  Speaker 1: Um, I think that's a lot to do with it too,
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  Speaker 1: but go ahead.
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  Speaker 8: It doesn't matter who, but yes, they had to have them.
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  Speaker 8: They had to have them under contract for that long.
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  Speaker 8: You know, um, there are teams that haven't had that
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  Speaker 8: kind of success and yet they've been, um, in the
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  Speaker 8: league how long. So I think that's the one that
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  Speaker 8: stood out kind of the most, obviously the, the fact
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  Speaker 8: that Vegas got there so quickly, like that was just
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  Speaker 8: shocked me, you know, and, um, but yeah, that would
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  Speaker 8: be what I would, my comments.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Fair.
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  Speaker 9: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Milwaukee Brewers. Obviously they're looking to
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  Speaker 1: try to wrap up San Diego tonight, but the Milwaukee
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  Speaker 1: Brewers extended 21 year old Louis Lara, seven years, 31 million.
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  Speaker 1: It can be maxed out at 79 million. And it
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  Speaker 1: looks like a move for the future. Some thought clips.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the kid was hitting. 338, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in AAA Nashville. It seems to be like the real deal.
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  Speaker 2: And when you can do that, and it's Milwaukee, and
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  Speaker 2: they have to, you know, I love, don't get me wrong,
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  Speaker 2: I love the Milwaukee Brewers. They're great. I always have,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I always like them. But if they want to, like,
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  Speaker 2: they have those guys, they got to wrap them up early,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because if they let them get away, you
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  Speaker 2: know they're going to go to a big a big
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  Speaker 2: market team. So, you know, there's something to say about
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  Speaker 2: playing in the smaller markets.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And he probably know, and that's going to be more
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  Speaker 2: money than he's ever gotten before. Could he have probably
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  Speaker 2: gotten more somewhere else, but they don't want them to
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  Speaker 2: get away. They want to have them for as long
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  Speaker 2: as they can get them, you know, and like, cause
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  Speaker 2: they do a good job. They've been, look where they
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  Speaker 2: are right now. You know? So it's, it's, he, it's like,
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  Speaker 2: they're doing well. He's like, I want to be part
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  Speaker 2: of this too. So it's, yeah, I, that, that was
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  Speaker 2: a great move by them. You know, they wrapped that
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  Speaker 2: kid up for a good chunk there. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's something they had to do. You know, he's shown
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  Speaker 2: he can play. And I'm really looking forward to him,
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  Speaker 2: you know. probably next year. You know, he'll probably be full, full, full,
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  Speaker 2: full time. You know, so it's, yeah, I think it's
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  Speaker 2: a great move.
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  Speaker 1: And what about you, Lucas?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, just looking at that, I mean, AAA numbers are
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  Speaker 5: AAA numbers. I mean, the the step from that level
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  Speaker 5: to the majors is just so monumental, but you can
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  Speaker 5: kind of tell off the meters of, okay, this guy's
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  Speaker 5: going to succeed. This guy's going to do well. Like
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  Speaker 5: for example, he got the catcher out of Baltimore. I
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  Speaker 5: can't remember his last name, but he was signed to
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  Speaker 5: a big extension. What last year or something like that.
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  Speaker 5: He's making something happen, but he's not, producing like he
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  Speaker 5: is being paid according to his contract so to me
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  Speaker 5: it's kind of a yeah this this kid's gonna be
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  Speaker 5: a good talent but you kind of got to wrap
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  Speaker 5: him up but uh you gotta there's always that factor
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  Speaker 5: it's like oh maybe he's not ready yet maybe i
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  Speaker 5: mean but like for example going Going to my Giants,
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  Speaker 5: got Bryce Eldridge, who's lighting it up. So that's just
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  Speaker 5: one connection that's really been paying off dividends. And then
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  Speaker 5: you got Carson Bench for the Mets. That guy is
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  Speaker 5: becoming something that's going to be really, really interesting to
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  Speaker 5: watch in the near future. But, yeah, more power to him.
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  Speaker 5: It'll be great to see. Hopefully he pans out.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Jason.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's definitely a good signing. I mean, he's young.
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  Speaker 7: I think he's 21, right? That's exactly what the Tigers
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  Speaker 7: do with Cole Keith. You know, they sign him to
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  Speaker 7: a long-term deal, but not like a crazy amount. This
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  Speaker 7: was the seven-year, what was it, $ 31 million. I like
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  Speaker 7: it because you're going to lock him up, and then
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  Speaker 7: you don't have to pay him this, you know, if
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  Speaker 7: he becomes good, he's either A, going to leave, or B,
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  Speaker 7: going to somewhere like the Yankees or somewhere and get
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  Speaker 7: $ 200 million and Milwaukee loses out.
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  Speaker 4: So great while he's young.
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  Speaker 7: It's a low risk, and it seems like they had
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  Speaker 7: confidence for him to get signed now, and I love it.
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  Speaker 4: It'll do him great.
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  Speaker 7: And it'll do the Brewers a solid, too. So they're
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  Speaker 7: going to be an up-and-coming team, Candy, for.
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  Speaker 4: A long time. Be excited about your Brewers for a
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  Speaker 4: few years.
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  Speaker 1: Well, great segue, Jason. Some thoughts about that move, Candy.
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  Speaker 8: So Lara signed with the Brewers as an international free
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  Speaker 8: agent back in June of 2022. He made his professional
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  Speaker 8: debut that season with the Dominican Summer League Brewers. He
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  Speaker 8: played 2023 with the Carolina Mudcats. 2024 with Carolina and
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  Speaker 8: the Wisconsin Timber Rattlers. After the 24 season, he played
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  Speaker 8: in the Arizona Fall League. In 2025, he played with
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  Speaker 8: the Biloxi Shuckers. And in 2026, he started with the
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  Speaker 8: Nashville Sounds. Yes, on June 9th, 2026, the Brewers announced
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  Speaker 8: he had signed a seven-year, $ 31.
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  Speaker 3: Million contract extension.
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  Speaker 8: On July 7th, He was promoted to the major leagues
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  Speaker 8: for the first time. He made his major league debut
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  Speaker 8: that same day, collecting one hit and two ribbies against
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  Speaker 8: the St.
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  Speaker 3: Louis Cardinals. He's batting.
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  Speaker 8: 246 this season. Like everybody said, he's a young upcoming star.
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  Speaker 8: That's what the Brewers do. They sign these guys, they
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  Speaker 8: develop these guys, and bring them up through their system.
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  Speaker 8: And that's what they have to do because the Brewers
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  Speaker 8: don't go out there and sign a lot of free agents.
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  Speaker 8: They don't have the deep pockets. They don't spend the
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  Speaker 8: money like some of these other teams do. One of
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  Speaker 8: the reasons why everybody wants them to be a floor
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  Speaker 8: and if they're going to do a cap because the
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  Speaker 8: Brewers are, and let's face it, they are from one
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  Speaker 8: of the smallest markets in Major League Baseball. And so
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  Speaker 8: one of the things that they have to do is
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  Speaker 8: they have to recognize young talent sign them while they can,
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  Speaker 8: and then get the most out of them. They've done
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  Speaker 8: it before, and I'm happy that they're having success. I
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  Speaker 8: hope they have success tonight. My background is actually.
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  Speaker 3: Where the Milwaukee Brewers play, home.
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  Speaker 5: Of the Brewers.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the main thing is, like everybody said here, and
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  Speaker 1: I'll back it up, you have to sign your younger
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  Speaker 1: prospects or longer deals. Tiger's did it with Kevin McGonigal
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  Speaker 1: recently as well. So if you can find guys in
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  Speaker 1: order to fit your system for a while, you keep them.
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  Speaker 1: You just simply do. We don't know what the next
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  Speaker 1: NBA will be or who knows about baseball next year,
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  Speaker 1: but keep these players when they're younger and they're up
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  Speaker 1: on club control. And if you do that, then if
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  Speaker 1: they develop quickly enough, then you'll have a good player
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  Speaker 1: for a while. The Orioles actually released an international prospect
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  Speaker 1: that they signed for $ 1.
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  Speaker 5: 2 million.
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  Speaker 1: Cliff, what do you think? Any other information on the
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  Speaker 1: guy that they released? $ 1. 2 million in international prospects?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael, M-A-I-K-O-L. I'm sorry, I'm butchering his name. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: he's pretty good with names usually, but M-A-I-K-O-L Hernandez. He's
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  Speaker 2: from Venezuela. Got the bonus in January 2021. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 2: got cut from a Chesapeake, AA Chesapeake in June. And
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  Speaker 2: he was hitting about 182, 547 on base OPS across
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  Speaker 2: six seasons. Yeah, it's now, I mean, he was 17.
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  Speaker 2: I think when he initially came in and he got
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  Speaker 2: up to 30 in there and he was getting compared
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  Speaker 2: to like Manny Machado, Carlos Correa. I guess it just
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  Speaker 2: didn't really work out for him. Sometimes it does, sometimes
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't. It maybe just reaches a certain level and
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  Speaker 2: there's a certain pitch he can't hit or it's just
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  Speaker 2: the speed of the game or whatever is just too
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  Speaker 2: much for him. It's a story you hear time and
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  Speaker 2: time and time again. It's tough to be a baseball player,
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  Speaker 2: plain and simple. I'm sure the kid's a great athlete,
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  Speaker 2: but just not major league material.
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  Speaker 4: Not everybody is.
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  Speaker 2: Very few people are. So there's no shame in that.
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  Speaker 2: He got that shot. He got that chance. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that's the kind of thing, you know, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: happens all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Lucas.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it just defines how tough professional pitchers are, even
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  Speaker 5: at single A, double A, triple A. And the amount
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  Speaker 5: that it goes up to is just– It is the
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  Speaker 5: amount that double, triple the amount of single A and
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  Speaker 5: rookie ball. It really is. And then once you get
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  Speaker 5: to the pros, you're in the big time. So if
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  Speaker 5: he has trouble with a curve, his stock's going to
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  Speaker 5: go down. If he's hitting like 67 or a buck
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  Speaker 5: 30 in single A with maybe a home run, He's
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  Speaker 5: not going anywhere. I mean, he's probably going to stay
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  Speaker 5: in single A or, I mean, bounce around rookie ball.
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  Speaker 5: But he's not going to stay within a team until
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  Speaker 5: he finds some kind of groove or some kind of
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  Speaker 5: path that gets him to a usable average, like at
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  Speaker 5: least 240 minimum. And he's got to be hitting something
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  Speaker 5: in the realm of, like, close to double-digit home runs
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  Speaker 5: and double-digit RBIs. You've got to make that happen. And
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  Speaker 5: it's unfortunate that he was compared to Machado. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: goodness gracious, it's a lot of pressure putting on that kid.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of pressure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Jason.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what?
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  Speaker 7: I remember when Sparky said that Kurt Gibson was the
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  Speaker 7: next Mickey Mantle.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: And it can put a lot of pressure on anybody.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, veteran, rookie, I mean, you have it.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I.
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  Speaker 4: Think that this guy Hernandez, sometimes.
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  Speaker 7: Like Lucas was saying, if you lose a curveball, you
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: lose velocity on your fastball, any kind of situation there,
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: if you have arm trouble. It just hinders you. Baseball
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: is a tough game, man. It really is.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 19:23
  Speaker 7: It's one of my favorites, if not my favorite sport.
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: But injuries and some of that stuff can slow you down.
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: And that's why there's only like a few percentages that
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: actually make it to the big leagues. And when they do,
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: it's like, man, it seems like they just don't make mistakes.
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: But You would think they wouldn't, but this year, even
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: Kevin McGonigal, we saw him. He should be rookie year,
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: but I have seen him make some mistakes in the field.
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: It's not like, hey, he's perfect.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: By any means.
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: You're looking at a 20-year-old guy. I root for the
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: young guys. I always want to see them do well,
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: but um there's only small percentages that make it so
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: um i think uh there was a catcher valencia um
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: from the tigers he uh was in the minors since
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: 2018 he was a career you know minor league catcher
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: so and he finally made it to the big leagues
• 20:26
  Speaker 7: this year after the tigers dfa jake rogers so It's
• 20:30
  Speaker 7: just a tough game, and you just hope for the
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: best for any of the guys in single A and
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: double A ball.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, Candy, you have the last word on this one.
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: January 2020, they signed him January 2021 for a $ 1. 2
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: million international signing bonus, marking one of the first seven-figure
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: international amateur bonuses in franchise history. The only problem is,
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: is he finished with a 182 batting average and a
• 21:06
  Speaker 8: 547 OPS over six minor league seasons. And a batting
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: average of 182 over six seasons isn't going to cut it.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I mean, in.
• 21:20
  Speaker 8: Major League Baseball, that's why you got cut.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Yes, he was being.
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: Compared to A-Rod and– carlos correa but uh at the
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: end of the day you got to perform and if
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: you're not performing you're not going to keep your job
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: and that i mean that could be said of any
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: of us let's face it we're talking just you know
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: a baseball player but that's the that's the truth about
• 21:46
  Speaker 8: all of us if we don't perform at our job
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: they're going to get rid of us it's a business
• 21:51
  Speaker 8: and that's what we forget sometimes when we think about
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: sports it is a business and it's not an easy
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: business I mean, you take only the top talented people
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: to play the game. So, yeah, tough game, tough time
• 22:08
  Speaker 8: for him. Who knows what's next for him? But hopefully,
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: whatever he does, he'll be successful at it.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about the Michigan Wolverines football team. We
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: all know that Kyle Whittingham was hired to replace Jerome Moore.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Urban Meyer went on record by saying, Kyle Winningham is
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: one of the best coaches in college football. He's the best.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: He's the best coach in college football. I know, obviously,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: he's in his first year. He's had some challenges trying
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: to deal with Bryce Underwood. But let's just talk about
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: the hire itself. Cliff, what are your thoughts about the
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: hire of Kyle Winningham for Michigan?
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, he did so well before. I mean,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: he went– he brought the Utes to 13-0 in 2008,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: and he had a lot of other wins. I had
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: a good record there. So it's not like you just
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: pick the guy off the street or he was in some, like,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Division III coach. I mean, it's like he had a
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: good– it was a decent program. And I'm like, boy,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Michigan's not going to just pick some nobody. So it's–
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: You do well someplace else. He's done pretty much as
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: well as you could probably do at Utah. And then
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go, oh, Michigan wants to hire me? Yeah,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I think so. There's no surprise there that they wanted him.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: They needed to replace their coach and they had to
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: do it with a guy who had a proven track
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: record as a good, successful, professional Division I coach, and
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: they got it.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Well, he compiled a 177-88 record in 21 full seasons
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: leading to you. And like you said, a perfect 13-0
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: season in 2008. Now, his resume is such that he's
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: expected to be inducted into the College Football Hall of
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Fame as a 66.8%. 20% is automatically qualifying for the Hall.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: So that validates what Urban Meyer really is saying. He's
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: a heck of a coach. Now we've got a dilemma
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: here over the bye week where you've got Bryce Underwood.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: How much can you go with the guy? Or are
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: you going to bring in Tommy Carr? There could be
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: some situation where he has to decide. Keep in mind,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Bryce Underwood wasn't his recruit, but he wanted to keep
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: him anyways. And I think he did the right thing.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: was trying to see if he had enough good coaches
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: to get this guy playing the way he needs to
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: do it so I totally get that Tommy Carr could
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: be there and obviously Sharon Moore recruited him go ahead Lucas.
• 24:51
  Speaker 10: Yeah Kyle was the fit I mean that's the that's
• 24:55
  Speaker 10: the guy that was gonna take Michigan back to the
• 24:58
  Speaker 10: promised land again I mean he had a great few
• 25:02
  Speaker 10: he had a great record with the Utes I mean
• 25:06
  Speaker 10: yeah you take him you put him to a good
• 25:10
  Speaker 10: contract cause yeah he has the track record but there's
• 25:15
  Speaker 10: some obvious chemistry issues that are going on in Ann
• 25:20
  Speaker 10: Arbor I mean.
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: You're having a sophomore with so much pressure on the
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: guy biggest NIL deals like oh.
• 25:34
  Speaker 11: My money's not talking right now and right it's really
• 25:44
  Speaker 11: really coming to um coming.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: Full blast into for the Wolverines it's just it's really
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: sad to see I mean They had so much potential
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: and it was just so promising. And, oh, Underwood stayed.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: He's not going to leave. And then there's, now as
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: the season goes on, it's like, oh, is he going
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: to go to LSU? Is he going to go somewhere
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: else where he's going to actually play and he's actually
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: going to make the team better?
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: It's a.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: One-year thing. And it took, what, Harbaugh... Golly, I don't
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: even want to say anything because it's just so freaking
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: long for him to get any kind of chemistry going
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: with the Wolverines. So, yeah, it's only a matter of
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: time before Kyle gets things going and he gets his
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: recruits involved as well.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Great point. Okay, Jason.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what?
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: I think it was a good hire, and I think
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: what the main thing that Michigan faculty and the fans
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: need to understand.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: This was.
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: Kyle Whittingham took over a situation that really seemed like
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: it needed to be wiped clean from Cheryl Moore, and
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: it's not going to be an overnight thing, and with
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: Underwood being a recruit of Jerome Moore, and this reminds
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: me of when Demnard Robinson was a recruit for Rich Rodriguez,
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: and he got it together with Brady Hoke. Finally, he
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: got it together under Brady Hoke, and that was his recruit.
• 27:40
  Speaker 7: So my thing is, it's going to take some time.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: And beyond this season, Even if they don't make the playoffs.
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: It's going to be... At least they can make somewhat
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: of a bowl. And, you know, these last two games,
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: they just.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: I just really believe that they just kind of... Just
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: kind of missed out. And, I mean, they could be 5-0.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: They could be 2-3. I mean, but.
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: Like I said, it's going to take some time. It's
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: going to take some time. Don't, you know, don't shoot
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: the messenger yet. And, you know, you're just going to
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: have to be patient with Kyle for a little bit.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, Candy.
• 28:34
  Speaker 8: You know, Michigan had some issues coming into this season.
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: We questioned Underwood even last year. Like, is he the
• 28:43
  Speaker 8: right quarterback or not for you guys? And then you
• 28:46
  Speaker 8: bring in a new coach and yes, he can do,
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: he's had a lot of success. There aren't a lot
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: of coaches that come into a situation and first year
• 28:57
  Speaker 8: they do really well, you know? And let's face it,
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: the Wolverines had faced some adversity. They've had some injuries
• 29:07
  Speaker 8: that plays a role. I hate they're trying to find
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: their identity. If you look at, Not to compare, but
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: to compare, like the Wisconsin Badgers, most people thought Luke
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: Fickle was going to do really great. And I'm not
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: saying he can't or that they're not improving, but their
• 29:24
  Speaker 8: first year, they didn't do well either. A lot of people,
• 29:29
  Speaker 8: it takes a while for them to recruit all of
• 29:32
  Speaker 8: the people that they need to. And you say, oh,
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: but he could have recruited people. Well, yes, he could,
• 29:37
  Speaker 8: but there were already people there as well that he
• 29:40
  Speaker 8: had only so many scholarships, so many room on the team.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: I think you just have to give them a chance.
• 29:47
  Speaker 8: One year is not the full picture.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: He just didn't settle. He took the job a little
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: later in the game after they finally made their decision
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: to get rid of And Biff Pogge wasn't the guy
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: that I would have brought in there at all by
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: any stretch.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: That's how Rich Rodriguez was.
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: You know, they didn't give him a chance, in my opinion,
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: after year three.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: It was, you know, they wanted to get rid of him.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Jimmy started with Rich Rodriguez. If you look at his record,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: he should have gotten as far as he did.
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: No, that was a big mistake.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: That was awful.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: Besides letting go of Lloyd. Well, Lloyd Carr leaving.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right. Yeah, Rich Rodriguez, he's in West Virginia, and
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: right now he's struggling with his second stint over with
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: West Virginia. So, I don't know. With all due respect,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I'll leave it at that. Okay, the Milwaukee Brewers also
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: signed Akil Badu. Kennedy, to add anything that you can
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: tell me about that.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: I'm looking it up. Hold on a second.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: He's another guy that played a few years with the
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Detroit Tigers.
• 31:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he made his debut with the Tigers on April 4, 2021.
• 31:11
  Speaker 8: He spent five years with the Tigers before signing a
• 31:15
  Speaker 8: one-year split contract with the Milwaukee Brewers in December of 2025.
• 31:21
  Speaker 8: After suffering a significant quadriceps strain during spring training that
• 31:25
  Speaker 8: landed him on the 60-day injured list, He spent the
• 31:28
  Speaker 8: majority of the year working his way back in the
• 31:31
  Speaker 8: minor leagues before being recalled to the big league roster
• 31:36
  Speaker 8: by the Brewers late in the season. So he had
• 31:41
  Speaker 8: a bad injury, trying to work back from it.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Let's see.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Trying to see if I can come up with some
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: stats for him right now.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: He can hit for power.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: He has not gotten in a game yet, though, for
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: the Brewers.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: So it might just be a little bit of organizational
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: depth is what it sounds like to me.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. At this point, yes.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, Jason, some thoughts about Akil.
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he was a good utility player for the Tigers
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: when Detroit had him. And if he doesn't stay with
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: Milwaukee because, you know, like you said, Scott, the depth,
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: he'll find another team. And there's plenty of plenty of
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: teams who could use utility outfielders and, um, he's still serviceable.
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: And if he doesn't, he, you know, he'd be called
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: a triple a or DFA. He's still serviceable player.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: And Lucas, he sounds like a late call up and, um,
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: bench guy or good pinch hitter to, um, just fill
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: a roster spot whenever there's an injury until he, um,
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: feels his potential back again where he's reliable to make
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: a starting roster again. Because, I mean, players like him
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: don't really stick around long. They just bounce from everywhere.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: So, Scott, I have an announcement.
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: Rob, unfortunately, will not be on tonight. His building is
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: out of power and he has no internet. He hasn't
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: been able to do any shows today. If it comes
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: back on, he'll hop on.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: But he is without power.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: No problem. We'll just keep moving forward anyway. Okay. Well,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: thanks for the information. I'll get this figured out. Okay.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Dylan Larkin says he signed an eight-year deal because I
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: believe in him as in Steve Eisenman. Yeah, you believe
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: in Steve Eisenman, but you wanted to leave. But he
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: did get a goal last night to try to get
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: a few people back on the side. What are your
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: thoughts about the Dylan Larkin situation? clip.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Um, well, Dylan Larkin has been the captain there for
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: a while. He's earned his money. I mean, he's contract.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: You look at his contract now. I mean, he signed
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: that in 2023, it's 8.7 million a year for eight years.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: And that's a deal now. Um, I mean, he's, he's,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: he's been among the top players in the league. He's eight,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: just one. He just won a gold medal there, uh, with, uh,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: after 46 years. Um, and now, I mean, it's, it,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: but things aren't always great. I mean, it's, he signed
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: the deal. He was hoping for it to turn around.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: They haven't been in the play. I've been in the
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: playoffs in 10 years. Um, it started having some problems
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: after a couple of years because they traded away Tyler Bertuzzi. Um,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: and that was his friend and they get, he wasn't
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: happy about that. Then there was another year. He was like, well,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: are you going to sign anybody to like, try to
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: like get a run here? And they're like, uh, well, you,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: you guys got a, you you're here, you know, it's like,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: why aren't you like stepping up and bringing some more
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: energy back in there? Um, and now what Steve Eisenman's gone, he, uh,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: you know, and that's, I mean, Steve Eisenman was, I
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: think he was, I absolutely adored Steve Eisenman when he
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: was playing. He was, I, well, I'm not a Red
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Wings fan, but I absolutely do. He's one of my
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: favorite players. He's one of those players. You just absolutely,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: absolutely adored And he did good in Tampa, and he
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: came up to Detroit. He hasn't really done that much,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: and now he's gone. But now he's there, and he
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: got stripped of his captaincy. They're talking about trading him now.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: I think that's the only reason they have him up
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: playing right now, to say, hey, he's okay. But, you know,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: they've got to showcase him a little bit. So they
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: want to trade him. And I keep hearing things maybe
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: about Florida, going down to Florida because Barkov. is hurt for,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: for good chunk. Again, he got hurt last year too.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: So it's, yeah, it's, it's, you know, he, at the time. Yeah.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: You know, and I think, I think there's, there's probably
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: a little, if you think about it, there's probably a
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: little bit of a, a pressure there because look who
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: the GM is. It's Steve Iserman. You're supposed to be
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: like the next generation, Steve Iserman. And don't get me wrong.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Dylan Larkin's great. But Steve Iserman is, from Detroit and
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: all the cups he won there too. And I'm like, that's, that's,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: that's got to add something to it as well. So it's,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: that had to be a complicated relationship.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it was great at one point, but then
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: sometimes those things, those things fall apart. You know, it's, I, I,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: I hope he does go someplace else and finds it.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: I hope the red wings can get a very good
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: return because Dylan Larkin is a heck of a hockey player.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, he has so much pressure to bring
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: HockeyTown back into a cup contender. And him and now
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: Alex Brinkett are the only guys that are making it happen.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's it. What else do they got? That's
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: really all the stars that they got. And with those two,
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: you can't really do anything. I mean, Eisenman had um
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: shellios he had lindstrom he had.
• 37:19
  Speaker 12: Um um sounds good uh he had a lot of
• 37:25
  Speaker 12: guys yeah malpy yeah i mean mccarty and draper draper
• 37:31
  Speaker 12: yeah and.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: Then he had hasik and uh chris osgood is uh
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: as the keeper as the goalie like oh my.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Gosh brendan shanahan Brendan Shanahan.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: Shanahan.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Those teams, there's a reason they were, there's a reason
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: they won multiple cups back then. Scotty Bowman. Scotty Bowman's
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: there too. I'm like, yeah, that's that. I mean, and
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: that's gotta be hard.
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah. It's the mess isn't there yet. You only have
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: two players that are really making any kind of impact.
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's, you can't really do much with that
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: at all. It's, he's not, they're putting way too much,
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: he's not Sidney Crosby. I mean, even Sidney Crosby had
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: some help. So, yeah, the deal is that Detroit just
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: needs to get more players and Ajami needs to find
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: some more signees that can help those two form that 98,
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: that 97 stretch. Like, Make it happen.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: He's gone.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: Make Hockey Town Hockey Town again.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Well, Lucas, here's what you said where you really nailed it, okay?
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Number one, he's frustrated that Iserman and Chris Illich did
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: not get him. They were not as active at the
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: trade deadline. You can't blame him for that at all.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Because he just wants to get in the Stanley Cup
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: playoffs and compete for a championships just get to the
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: playoffs for god's sake there were 20 they went to
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: 25 straight they went to one when he was there
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: he hadn't seen it since he goes the olympics so
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: i can see it from both sides but the reality
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: is the red wings right now don't know what they're
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: doing and they need to figure it out pretty quickly
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: or the attendance is going to take a hit really
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: quick and it's starting to show that a little bit
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: more but we'll keep tapping this story as we go
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: along go ahead Jason and Candy. There will be no
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: travel segment tonight. We'll just stick with sports and keep
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: it from there. Go ahead, Jason.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: Oh, man, I'm telling you.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: You only can pray that this team can make the playoffs.
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: Go ahead.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: Oh, can you hear me? Okay. Yeah, I was just
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: going to say, this is... Yeah, it's just a barn.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: I don't even know what to say.
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: You know, when you look at the Red Wings and
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: you look at Steve Eisenman, there was ultimately a lot
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: of pressure put on him, as Lucas was mentioning, from
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: day one as he walked in the door. You were
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: great in Tampa. You were a great player here. We
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: expect you to be a winner. We expect, we expect,
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: we expect.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: So.
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: went into like the first year three, year four, like, okay,
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: now they're starting to let a lot of chatter coming on.
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: And then year five, year six, year seven. And it's
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: just like, you know, the local radio stations are like
• 40:40
  Speaker 7: pulling their hair out. Like, okay, what are we doing here?
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: We got, we got a goalie. You traded for Daniel Gibson.
• 40:48
  Speaker 7: You traded for... You have Daniil Tarasov, the goalie. You
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: traded Sebastian Kosa to Utah.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: What are we doing here? Are we... Who are we
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: going to have as our future goal tent? Are we
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: going to have.
• 41:01
  Speaker 7: You know, like, when Chris Hoskin came up, he was
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: from Anorotic. They'd move him up. They would bring guys up.
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: And then he ended up working out. Eventually, obviously.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: But, you know, the thing is, guys.
• 41:16
  Speaker 7: It's going to take some time. And with Larkin, he's
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: wanting to be traded. They couldn't get a deal done
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: because he probably said out of those six teams that
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: he didn't want to waive that no trade clause. They
• 41:32
  Speaker 7: couldn't get a deal done. I heard Dallas Stars was
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: on the docket there. But you know what? It's not
• 41:42
  Speaker 7: going to matter. they're not going to make the playoffs.
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: I don't think this year or with Dylan Larkin or
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: without him. But those days of, you know, with Scotty Bowman,
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: he would bring in those utility players like Bob Rouse
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: and Jamie McCown and, you know, Larry Murphy and Doug
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: Brown and those sort of guys, utility players that Iserman
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: is lacking to bring in. I don't know if it's
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: a talent thing or if it's a scouting issue.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: Maybe both.
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: Maybe nothing, but like I said, the goalie, I think
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: the goalie situation went to defense. They just, they couldn't,
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: he hasn't been able to really, you know, um, square
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: that away. And, and as I've seen over the last
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: 10 years, it's, you know, back in the mid eighties,
• 42:33
  Speaker 7: he used to call him dead wing.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: So, um, and you know, Eisenman is still there. He's
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: still in a role.
• 42:40
  Speaker 7: Um, he's, more so a 50% GM now but like
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: I said you just hope they can at least make
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: the playoffs at least and make some noise and the
• 42:53
  Speaker 7: last what three or four years they just missed it
• 42:56
  Speaker 7: by like a point or two so it's not going
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: to cut it as far as you know Detroit as
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: far as Hockey Town you know this is Hockey Town
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: it hasn't been Hockey Town for quite some time so.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: We'll see you guys we'll.
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: See So let's face it, it spiraled into chaos. Dylan
• 43:17
  Speaker 8: Larkin dropped the bombshell that he was asking for a
• 43:21
  Speaker 8: trade request over the summer, citing frustrations with the franchise's
• 43:27
  Speaker 8: endless rebuilding phase. We've talked about how long have they
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: been rebuilding. They made the playoffs for so many years straight,
• 43:36
  Speaker 8: and now they've not made them for so many years straight.
• 43:39
  Speaker 8: Things then got messier when he reportedly weaponized his no-trade
• 43:43
  Speaker 8: clause to try to force a move to a tiny
• 43:47
  Speaker 8: list of contenders. When he did that, the organization stripped
• 43:52
  Speaker 8: him of his captain, his seat. Now, when he came
• 43:57
  Speaker 8: out and played, there were a number of fans that
• 44:03
  Speaker 8: were booing him. Yes, he went out, he played, he
• 44:08
  Speaker 8: actually scored. McClellan says, I can tell you on the bench,
• 44:13
  Speaker 8: his teammates were rallying around him. They believe we're a
• 44:16
  Speaker 8: better team with him than without him. And the rest
• 44:19
  Speaker 8: of the group was happy for him. So it was
• 44:21
  Speaker 8: a team win. And Dylan did what Dylan needed to do.
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: Dylan's unbelievably very talented. I think the Red Wings want
• 44:32
  Speaker 8: a lot in return.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: If they were going to trade him.
• 44:36
  Speaker 8: And so, It was really hard to find somebody that
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: was willing to pay that. It'll be interesting to see
• 44:45
  Speaker 8: now that they've moved. Yes, he was a great player,
• 44:50
  Speaker 8: but maybe he isn't the greatest GM. Some, some, some
• 44:55
  Speaker 8: people are good at certain roles, just like we've talked
• 44:59
  Speaker 8: about on the football side, some defensive and offensive coordinators
• 45:04
  Speaker 8: are great in that role. but they don't make good
• 45:07
  Speaker 8: head coaches.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: And we've seen that.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hold on one second. Steve Eisen did a really
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: good job with building the nucleus with the Tampa Bay Lightning.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: When he came to Detroit and he had it all
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: for himself, unfortunately, it didn't work out. So he has
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: an executive. He went out there and helped Canada win
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: a gold medal up there. So he had good admin experience. Unfortunately,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: he has not gotten a job done in Detroit. That's
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: all there is to it.
• 45:35
  Speaker 8: It's also a different organization with different people putting restraints
• 45:40
  Speaker 8: on people.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Now I'll give you that, okay, because he wanted Steve
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Stamfos and Chris Dillard said no, and there were a
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: couple other ones. So I'll give you that one.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that, Candy.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: All right, I'll give you that. Go ahead, Candy. Nope,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I'm good. Just want to keep it rolling here. All right,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: obviously the Mets made a trade. sending Jeff McNeil to
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: the athletics. Any thoughts about that trade, Cliff? I'm going
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: to go to you for a lot of our Mets
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: stuff tonight. How did that go? Yeah.
• 46:12
  Speaker 13: Oh, man.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: I know why they made it at the time. I
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: was not thrilled with it. And now, I mean, he
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: went to Oakland. He didn't do great there. But I
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: still miss him. I like that. Who do we replace
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: him with? He went with, oh, yeah, Marcus Simeon. He
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: went in the Nimmo deal to replace Jeff McNeil. Now,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Jeff McNeil was not hitting to what he was hitting
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: when he, hey, he won the batting title a few
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: years back, if you might not remember that, believe it
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: or not. I mean, I love Jeff McNeil, but then
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: at the point in time towards the end of that contract,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: when he was there, he was, they were putting him
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: in left field. They were putting him in like a,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: both sides of the outfield. They're putting him in other
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: positions in the infield. He became more of like a
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: super sub, which isn't really his thing. I mean, people–
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: I had no problem with him at second base, but
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: I also did see why they wanted him to go.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: But now I'm like it's just– it was just– I
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: guess it was more of a mistake. I would have
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: rather have had him just at second this past year
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: as opposed to Marcus Simeon. I mean, it's like he was,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: once again, he was there with Nimmo. He was there
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: with Alonzo. Yes, I get it. You have to move
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: on sometimes for players that are on your team for
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: a while. That's the business. That's the sport. But, I mean,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: they didn't do any better. I would have just rather
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: had Jeff McNeil at second than Simeon. I'm like, Simeon, oh,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: he hit well a few years back. It was his glove.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: And then his glove wasn't any good. I'm like, yeah,
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: he got a couple hits here and there, but it
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: was pathetic. I mean, if you look side by side
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: with stats, not that Jeff McNeil was all that great,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: but he was even a little bit better in most
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: categories in comparison to Marcus Simeon. And then Simeon can't field.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: You know, there was just a big nightmare this year.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: And then he did come back. Actually, he came back
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: to city field. Cause the athletics came into play and
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: they gave him a great tribute. Well, like you, they
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: would because he was such a good Met for them.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Because when Met fans have a good lot, just like he,
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: he epitomizes that team that like hard nose, like he
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: just goes in and did the business of playing baseball.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: He wasn't an ego guy. He just did what he
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: needed to do. And yeah, it's, I wasn't, I was like,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: I saw it when they, like I said, I saw
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: it when they did it. I'm like, okay, I get it.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: But they didn't replace him in an effective way. And
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: I was not happy. And, of course, it just completely
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: blew up in their face. And Stearns has got to go.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: I'm going to keep saying that. But they're not going
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: to get rid of him. I really I really doubt it.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: You know, Cone's like, oh, yeah, I'm a Mets fan.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: If you were really a Mets fan, you wouldn't have
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: known the horrible history and all the things. And he
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have made the same mistakes, you know, because I
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have allowed it. I'm never going to have that
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: type of money to be able to own a team.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: But I'm a Mets fan. I remember all this stuff
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: and I see things. And I just keep seeing, I
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: kept seeing the same thing over and over and over again.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Like I said, beginning of this year, they were not
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: going to be good and they weren't. So yeah, it's
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: just one of a billion mistakes they made over this
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: past year.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough. Anybody else have anything to say about it?
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: You want to move on to other topics?
• 49:56
  Speaker 8: The only thing I'd like to say is it's kind
• 50:00
  Speaker 8: of the same situation, Cliff. Yizerman did good in Tampa,
• 50:05
  Speaker 8: didn't do in Detroit. David Stearns did good in Milwaukee
• 50:09
  Speaker 8: and is not doing good for the Mets.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: But remember, there's also that guy we always keep talking
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: about who is underneath him. I mean, you were talking
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: about him in the past and you're saying, oh yeah,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: there's this other guy who is there. Now he's in charge?
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: I keep forgetting. Is he in charge?
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: So he was probably the brains of it. You know,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: the brains of the thing. So it's like Yeah, I'm not.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: I just want him gone. I just want him gone.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Stearns can go away.
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: McNeil is just a huge utility player. I mean, he
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: was mainly second base, but such a dependable bat to
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: the point where it's just like, wow, yeah, he's going
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: to come through for you all. And after a while,
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, when he went to the A's, you're just like, oh,
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: He's still on the Mets? Oh, and he was always underrated.
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: He's always been underrated. But now, it's kind of accurate.
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: Unless he has some kind of epiphany or some kind of,
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: I don't know, old man swagger or old man strength
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: that says, okay, I'm going to start hitting again.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's... He's just getting older. It happens to everybody.
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 51:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he's like, that's what every baseball team needs and
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: should want. I mean, he went to the A's. That's
• 51:42
  Speaker 7: why the A's... They still have him at the bottom
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: of the lineup, but he's still serviceable. They can still
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: hit for power. The Mets got rid of him, and
• 51:52
  Speaker 7: they saw dollar signs and threw a bunch of money
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: at Marcus Simeon. And it didn't work out. Really, it
• 52:00
  Speaker 7: didn't work out that well.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Several years ago. I'm like, he hasn't even been good
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: in years.
• 52:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he hasn't since you go back to Texas before that.
• 52:11
  Speaker 7: And I think he played for Oakland long before that.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're paying for what he did well in the past.
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: He was known as the worst shortstop in all of
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: baseball when he was with Oakland a while ago. The worst.
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: And now he was an all-star. It's all over the place.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing how things change when other guys go
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: for other teams. It really does. a different coaching staff,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: some more friendly environments. Playing in New York is not
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: the easiest thing to do, and obviously he found that out.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Let's continue the narrative here, because I'll tell you, the
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: New York Jets hadn't forced a single interception all of
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: last season, but they finally got off the side when
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Mika Van Sanford got it done. You know, that's a
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: big problem for the Jets, not being able to get
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: an interception, especially with a head coach like Aaron Glenn,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: who's a defensive-minded coach. Clem, some thoughts about that.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: That was absolutely amazing. I looked a couple things up.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: It was 20 months and 29 days between interceptions, one year,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: eight months, 29 days. It was just 83 regulation quarters
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: between interceptions, excluding overtime, approximately 1,250 minutes. That is crazy.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like, especially in the way the way
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: football goes, somebody can't like tip something, you know, how
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: the ball goes everywhere all the time. You know, they
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: couldn't just like accidentally just fall in some nut guy's
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: hands because it happens sometimes. What's the chances of going
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: that long without an interception? And then, of course, because
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: I don't have anything against the Jets, but then it's like,
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Jets fans will say this themselves. Well, yeah, it's the Jets.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: If it's going to happen to anyone, it's them. But
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: that's the weird thing because for a while there, they
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: had a good defense for a good chunk there. They
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: had a decent defense. And it's not as good as
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: it's been. But it's like, I was like, oh, wow.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: And it was just, once again, there was going to be,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: they were kind of having a, are they going to
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: extend the interception streak? Are they going to extend the
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: no interception streak? And then finally, thank goodness, Tyson Bajent,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: you know, he gave, they still lost though. They still
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: lost and they barely had to go a ball in
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: that game. It was amazing.
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: They got the interception. It was like, it was like
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: they had so few plays. It was like ridiculous in
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: the last game against Chicago. It was comical. It's like,
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: how did they not get any playing time? So they
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: should really be excited because they actually had the ball
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: for that little bit of time in that game against,
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: against the bears. So, yeah, it is astounding to see
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: how they were so incapable of getting an interception when
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: interceptions seem to be aplenty all throughout the NFL.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: I think the word astounding is a good word. I
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: really do. All right, let's go over to you, Lucas.
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: I would associate the word atrocious– With.
• 55:29
  Speaker 9: The New York Jets. I mean, Geno is doing well,
• 55:35
  Speaker 9: but that defense. They won't let anybody through. And they
• 55:42
  Speaker 9: aren't doing anything about it.
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: It is absolutely pitiful to watch. I mean, it's every
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: fantasy owner's dream to have a running back that is
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: going up against the New York Jets defense. Yeah. I mean,
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: maybe they'll have a lucky punt return for a touchdown
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: or a kickoff return for six, but not an interception.
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: Nothing is going their way. Oh, man. J-E-T-S, Jets, Jets, Jets.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: They won a game.
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: Really funny.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know when they're going to win their next,
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: but they won a game.
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: What was there the big uh running back that um
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: had that um i don't know he was so happy
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: about um it was on an espn broadcast um i
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: can't remember his name off the top of my head.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: He was recently or what are you talking about.
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: This was like what the last time they won a
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: playoff game and tomlinson.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: LT? No.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: That was a while ago. Not Blair Thomas.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: Wasn't Le'Veon Bell?
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: No, it was not Le'Veon Bell. This was before.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: This was March 8, 2009. Or was it Pennington? Was
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: it Pennington or Sanchez?
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: No, this was a running back. I think it was like.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm trying to think of the quarterback around
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: that time.
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: I want to say Sanchez.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, I'm trying to remember. They've had so many
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: running backs. They're in and out like you wouldn't believe.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Curtis Martin? No, it's probably too late.
• 57:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know if it's Adrian Murrell. I think
• 57:39
  Speaker 7: he must have been before that.
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: You can just keep listening. He's long forgotten. Oh, he
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: was a dead car. We're coming back.
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: He was a dead running back.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: It's just, it's a mountain. It's a mountain of former
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: jet running backs that, you know, it's like, Oh, we forgot.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: We forgot. Oh my gosh.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: And then I, I lived in New York for so
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: long and I, I, I felt bad for them. I'm
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: a Giants fan and I rooted for him, but I
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: felt so bad for him. Um, But, yeah, it's– I'm
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: trying to remember who you were talking about. Yeah, because
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: I think it was Sanchez or Pennington the last time
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: they made the playoffs, which is like, yeah, that was
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: really sad.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: I think it was– actually, now that you mention it,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: I think it was Mark Sanchez. So, all right, let's
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: continue the– let's continue the roll here. You know, let's
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: face reality. They got off the side with that interception.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Now they won't have to hear about it again. They'll
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: have other problems to worry about with that. Candy or–
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: they said real quickly, we'll want to keep the show rolling.
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: You know what?
• 58:45
  Speaker 7: Hey, um, as we know, he was a Lions defensive coordinator, um,
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: before he took this job last year, it was just,
• 58:53
  Speaker 7: you know, just kind of a bleep show there. Um,
• 58:56
  Speaker 7: no interceptions this year. It's going to be a lot different. Uh,
• 59:01
  Speaker 7: I think the defense is starting to improve for him
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: a little bit, not a lot.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Um, We've missed another step.
• 59:11
  Speaker 7: Lucas was saying, in Chicago, anybody can run on this team.
• 59:17
  Speaker 7: I just think that defensively, like I said, it's going
• 59:21
  Speaker 7: to take some time. You're not going to be able
• 59:23
  Speaker 7: to get a guy like Aaron Glenn and he's going
• 59:26
  Speaker 7: to be able to turn it.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: Around in two years, not this team. I think I have.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: An Aaron Glenn card somewhere in my collection, an Aaron
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Glenn card when he played for the Jets. It's tough.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: It's very tough with the Jets. It's not going to
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: be another good year, but they're used to that.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Well, all right, Cliff, let's continue the narrative, okay? I
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: get you. I just want to make sure that we
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: stay on point, okay? That's what I need to do.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: All right, go ahead, Katie. Any final thoughts about this?
• 59:57
  Speaker 8: I mean, I think the Jets are an improved team.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 8: They're playing some of the games really close. I was
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 8: kind of surprised that Aaron Glenn hasn't had more success. But, again,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 8: maybe he's better as a defensive coordinator than as a
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 8: head coach.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: I don't think there was any question about that. All right,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: let's continue on. Alan Lazard was also released per request.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: All right, Megan, what are your thoughts about Alan Lazard, Cliff?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: Um, well, yeah, he wasn't really doing much. And I
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: think the only reason he got that job with the
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: jets was because he's, it was Aaron Rogers, buddy.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: Come on.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: Let's really be fair. I'm like, uh, can you get
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: me a job, man? I'm like, it's like, yeah, he
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: had a couple of okay years because he was with
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Aaron Rogers when Aaron Rogers was younger and he was
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: in a prime and, you know, and he had other
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: receivers to throw to. So it probably helped them out. And, Yeah,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: and then it's like, what's he going to do now?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: But it's like, you would do it too. You need
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: a job. It's like, your buddy's there. You can get
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: a job there. Okay, he can play football long, but
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: now he's not there anymore. He doesn't really have a
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: role there anymore. They're moving on. It's like, how many
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: 30-something wide receivers are you going to have on your team,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: especially when Aaron Rodgers isn't there anymore? You know, so
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: it's like, it just, it just made sense. And like,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: it's these, there's so many players out there and they're
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: on like practice squads and yeah.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: It's, it was just a matter of time. I was shocked.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: He didn't go immediately when Aaron Rogers left.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: You know what? I agree with you. I was surprised
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: he didn't bolt one there and I'll leave it at that.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Cause I think you're, you're a hundred percent on target.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Lucas.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, it's, I mean, Rogers is receivers from
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: green Bay is slim picking. I mean, Devontae Adams taking Dolan's,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: I mean, Rams are never going to give him up.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: And then Christian Watson is doing, I mean, okay.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: He's having a good year.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: He's not doing phenomenal.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: He's having a good year.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I mean, I'm not like he was when
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: he was with, when he was.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: He got hurt. Oh, no. Well, but he's, I mean, yeah. Well, no,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: but I'm just saying in general, he's not having a
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: bad year.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: No, he's not having an awful year, but it's just
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: with the Jets, it's just, oh, let's try to pick
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: him up. I mean, Green Bay is not going to
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: let Christian Watson go.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there's no way. And there was just an
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: option like Lazard is, I mean, oh, he's available? Oh, sure,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: let's try to bring him over since him and Aaron
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: Rodgers were bonding so well. So, yeah, that was easily the...
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: negotiations that happened there. Obviously, it's not working out because
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: he's not doing so hot.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Jason, some thoughts about Alan Lazard.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think Alan Lazard is one of those players
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 7: that are a deep threat like Aaron Rodgers. I think
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 7: Randall Cobb was another guy that Aaron Rodgers loved. I
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 7: think he went to Houston. I think it was one
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 7: of those teams after Green Bay. I think he did
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 7: land in new york did he i'm not sure 100
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 7: sure but he didn't land again with rogers.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: Coffee there i think he might have a cup of
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: coffee there.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah sure um but this just like goes back to
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: brett barb used to like he would say guys have
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 7: mark tamura um these guys tight ends he would he'd
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 7: mix those tight ends in there rogers did that too
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 7: a lot of tight.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: End action um goal lines um.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 7: You know, it's just guys that guys that Rogers like, and,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 7: you know, like I said, nothing against the Lazard.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: If he can find another team, great.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 7: With so many roster changes now, you know, like I said,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 7: these guys are, are history. You know, we don't, you know,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: we don't see the, the Freemans and, you know, the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 7: Robert Brooks is, and long before that.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: So again, so, Uh, yeah.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 7: So like I said, it's, it's like, if I needed
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 7: a job and I'm calling them up saying, Hey, I
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: need a job, you know, uh, you got some injuries
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: and there's some injuries calling them up.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: So like, like I said, uh, he would have been gone.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: I'm surprised he didn't leave when Roger said.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: Go ahead, Candy.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 8: So the reason why he didn't leave when Rogers did
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 8: is because on March 17th of 2023, uh, he signed
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 8: a four-year, $ 44 million contract with the New York Jets.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 8: So he couldn't just up and leave. And that preceded
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 8: Rodgers' trade to New York from the Packers. And in
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 8: 14 games in 2023, he finished 23 receptions, 311 yards,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 8: one touchdown. In 2024, he did end up having, he
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 8: was placed on injured reserve due to a chest injury, too.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 8: One thing I'm going to say about the NFL, just
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 8: because you have success with one team doesn't mean if
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 8: you move two, three, four players over to another team,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 8: you're going to have the same success. You don't have
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 8: the same coaches. You don't have the same offensive line.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 8: You don't have the same other receivers around you that
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 8: are also picking up defenses. Because let's face it, defenses,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 8: sometimes if you have one or two stars, they're going
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 8: to double-team those individuals, and then the other guys aren't
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 8: as open.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: So on that Packers wide receiver back.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 8: When Lazard was there and they had all, there was
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 8: a bunch of wide receivers that everybody had to respect,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 8: so they didn't double-team as many of them. I think
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 8: when they moved to the Jets, there wasn't as many
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 8: of those targets, and so they could double-team some of
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 8: these better wide receivers, and I think that's part of
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 8: why he didn't have the success as well. And he
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 8: didn't have the coaching staff that maybe drew up the
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 8: plays that made him as successful as well.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's continue the New York theme, even though we
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: don't have the New Yorker in the house. I have
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: to learn some more topics.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: I lived in New York for over 30 years of
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: my life, thank you. Yeah, I live in Pennsylvania now,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: but I lived in.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: New York for 30 years. No, you can correct me
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: on that. We don't have the other New Yorker in.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: You do a good job representing that area. I give
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: you credit, though. I'm not going to. I'm not going
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: to rant with you because you actually made sense on
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: that one.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: Well, thanks.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: But the other one didn't make it here because he
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: had no popper. And we'll go from there. All right, well,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about another move. Mark Leiter Jr., formerly with
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: the Yankees, was on the move. Any thoughts about Mark
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Leiter no longer with the Bronx Bombers?
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, he was kind of mediocre. I mean,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: he's the son of Mark Leiter. senior and the nephew
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: of Al Leiter. And I mean, he's right about, I mean,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: he was okay. I mean, he went to him like
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: he was, yeah, he was, he was, you're good enough
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: to be a major league pitcher, which is great. But
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, he, he was pretty mediocre. He has ERA
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: within like the mid fours around there. Early on, he
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: was like the threes, but at this point in time
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: in his career, he's just trying to hang on. He's
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: just trying to hang on. He's had season-ending hip surgery
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: recently when he was with the A's. It happens. He
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: was never that great. I'm not surprised that he just
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: went on and he's gone from the Yankees. He was
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: up and down. Sometimes he's okay, but for the most part,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: he's a pretty mediocre pitcher. Kind of like his dead.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: Mark Leiter wasn't the greatest pitcher. He was okay. Far
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: cry from Al, that's for sure. Al Leiter did some
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: really great things. I'm sure he'll do something. He'll play
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: next year once he's all okay, medically cleared and all that.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not really that surprised that he's not around anymore.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: I'll turn it over to Lucas.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you're relying on the last name to
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 5: really make something happen. Right, right. I mean, there's so
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: much potential to push him into the spotlight.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's a lot of pressure for the kid.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 6: At the same time... yeah, you know what you're signed
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 6: up for with the last name. Like, you're going to
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 6: work your tail off in baseball and try to be
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 6: similar to your uncle and have some kind of career
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 6: like your dad.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: But, I mean....
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really tough for a player like that to
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: make something. I mean, you're either born for it, you
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: have the mental capacity for it, you have the attitude
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: for it, or you don't. And then there's injuries as
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: well to that. How can you bounce back from that?
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: It's not an easy road.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, Jason.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: You're on mute, Jason.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: Thank you. I was just looking at stats, um, for,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: for the A's.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 7: Um, he was all in one with a 4.28, um,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 7: burn run average and 38 strikeouts. Um, like I said, uh,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 7: I loved his dad, Mark lighter pitch for the tigers. Uh,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 7: I used to love his wind up as a kid
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 7: growing up, uh, Al lighter, obviously, um, had a solid
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 7: career with the Mets, Toronto. He, he, uh, Mark Leiter Jr.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 7: I think he was with Texas for a little bit.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 7: He was in their rotation.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: Um, but like I said, he, I think he, he
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: got knocked around a little bit.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 7: His run average was high, but it, I think there's
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 7: nothing special about Mark Leiter Jr. As far as this pitching,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 7: just an average pitcher and injuries caught up to him
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 7: a little bit, I think. And you hopefully, hopefully you'll
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 7: get another chance. I mean, he is 35 though. As
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 7: far as pitching years, he's not getting any younger. So,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 7: you know, we'll see. I don't know if this is
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 7: the end of the road for him, but I just
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 7: remember his dad pitching for the Tigers, but, Hopefully, maybe
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 7: he'll come out of this, but it doesn't look like
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 7: he might.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: All right, we'll turn it over to Candy.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's 35 years old. He was born in Fort Lauderdale,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: Florida here.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 8: His win-loss record is 16-30. His overall earned run average
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 8: is 4.57. He's pitched 434 strikeouts. He's played for the Phillies,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 8: the Blue Jays, the Cubs. the Yankees and now the athletics.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 8: He did go under the knife and he sees an
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 8: ending surgery to address the right hip impingement. So he
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 8: was placed on the injured list back in July 21st.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 8: The older you get, the harder it is to come
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 8: back from injuries.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: We'll see what happens.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 8: You know, what happens for him. Hopefully he can come
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 8: back and have some years left, but we'll wait and see.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: Well, like everybody's been saying, the age of 35 makes
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: it hard for him to do it. And you never know, though,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: with the lockout pending, he'll have more time to rest
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: and see if he can play winter ball somewhere to
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: get back to where he wants to go. Keep in mind,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: you have winter ball going on, so try to stay
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: out there. But, yeah, 35... Having arm problems is not
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: a good omen by any stretch of the imagination. A
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: couple of topics I want to get to, at least
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: two or three of them, including our feature topic, will
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: be Derek Jeter once said to the Yankees, you have
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: to clean it up on the Yankees errors and the
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: base running mistakes. A couple of days ago, the Yankees
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: had four errors and they're lost to Tampa Bay game two. Well,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: can't argue with Derek Jeter. He's definitely right, isn't he, Cliff?
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: Of course, it's Derek Cheater. They brought him there to
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: talk about baseball. He's Mr. Yankee. If anybody can make
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: that criticism, I think Derek Cheater or Joe Torre, I
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: think he would have some credibility on that too if
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: he was one of the analysts for that game. He's
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: not wrong. If anybody knows how to win and knows
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: about fundamentals and not making big mistakes in big game situations,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: I think it's Derek Jeter. So, yeah, I'm not surprised.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: That's why they brought him on there. And they don't
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: want him to hold back. I know he's from the Yankees,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: but now if George was still around with us, I
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: think maybe he might have been a little bit more reserved,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: but George isn't here anymore. Um, and the rest is so,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: but you know, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's, yeah,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: that's why they brought him on. He's Derek Jeter. And
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: if they, if they would have performed, if they would
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: have not made the mistakes they made, he wouldn't have
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: had something to say. And now I'm sure he's not
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: happy because, you know, to see that it's like, you
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: can't make those mistakes and he's not wrong.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: Jordan shorts, I'm going to want to tolerate any of
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: that type of stuff. There isn't that stuff. It used
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: to drive them nuts. Okay. Go ahead, Lucas.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's the Hall of Famer that has the
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: voice or the voice of the Yankees if it's not
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: Mariano Rivera. And you don't really hear much from him.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: I think he's kind of just gone under the radar.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 5: But yeah, Derek Jeter's going to be the guy that's
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: going to say, yeah, the defense isn't there. Yeah, he
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: had the fundamentals for probably the greatest defense Defensive shortstop
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: and offensive shortstop ever. Like, yeah, it's... Barna, I mean,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 5: watching the Yankees play like this is really tough on him.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: I can only imagine just seeing the success that he
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: had when he played, and now it's just... You're barely
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 5: able to make something happen. But, I mean, you make
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 5: the World Series, but you... come up so short to
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: the Dodgers. So, I mean, they might make a push here,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: but I mean, it's looking pretty tough against a really,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 5: really hot Rays team.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: Hey, Jason.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: Here's the thing, you know, I can't get.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 7: He's not wrong, and it's probably music to Yankees fans'
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 7: ears to hear him say that. Look, you can't make
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 7: errors in a big game like that. It's just fundamentally...
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 7: I mean, you're in October. Like, hey, spring training's a
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 7: long time ago. And I get it. There's pressure. There's
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 7: pressure in the playoffs.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: We've seen it. We've been all the way back to
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: Bill Buckner.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: You know, so.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: You know, so, again, there's always going to be pressure.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 7: I've seen the Tigers do it, and the errors drive
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 7: me crazy, and especially in a playoff game. Steinbrenner would
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 7: be going crazy, too, if he was still with us.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 7: Like I said, the error's got to be cleaned up,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 7: and it doesn't look well for the Yanks, but if
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 7: they can somehow clean it up, you know, the offense
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 7: is looking pretty anemic, too, so.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 7: Like I said, you just can't make errors in a
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 7: game of that magnitude, especially that many times.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. If one thing you do during
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: the regular season, you don't want to see that. But
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: when you do it in the playoffs, it becomes even
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: more magnified than that. All right, Candy, go ahead. That's it.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: You just told my line, so I'm good.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: Well, no. Go ahead. What were you going to say?
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 8: I was going to say, when you come down to
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 8: October baseball, you're in the playoffs. You are playing against
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 8: the best of the best. You have to be the
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 8: best at your best. You cannot afford to have errors.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: They wish they could replicate Ben Rice throughout the entire
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: batting order.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: They wish Ben Rice was in the entire order.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: I'm sure if Derek Jeter had the ability to, he'd
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: probably put a uniform on and say, let me show
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: you how to do it if he still could physically
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: do it. I bet you'd go out there and do it.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: All right, two other topics I want to get to.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: Is there something else you want to add, Lucas?
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 5: I was just going to talk about George Lombard and
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 5: his little opposite field mannerisms that are really similar to
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 5: the captain. I'll just call him the captain.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 6: Oh, my gosh.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: All right, no problem. All right, two other topics I
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: want to get to, one of which is a really
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: good field, good story. Jared Goff donates $ 150K plus meals yearly.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: You talk about a good Samaritan. Jared Goff is definitely
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: one of them. All right, you know what, Katie, you
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: can start off with this one. Does it take stats
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: to go ahead and define what a great quarterback he is,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: not only on the field, but a good humanitarian?
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 8: It's always nice to hear these stories. I bet you
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 8: we could find these stories out about a lot of
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 8: different players, But it is nice to hear that some
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 8: of the players are giving back to their community as
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 8: well as to people less fortunate.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: Hey, Cliff.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: I have a soft spot for Jared Goff. He is
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: my quarterback for my fantasy team along with Brock Purdy.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I've always liked Jared Goff. I don't
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: know why. He got the bad rap. Oh, he's the
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: other guy in the trade for Stafford. Stafford won a
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl I'm glad I'm glad it's good to see he's, he's,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: he's doing so much. I'm not surprised. He's Jared Goff.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: He seems like a pretty swell guy. And but yeah, it's,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: you know, it's a lot of, a lot of athletes
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: do that, but yeah, it's, that's great. He's, he's, he's
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: he's paying it forward. He's, he's using his celebrity and
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: using his resources and he's making, he's getting money raised
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: for great charities and food and, all sorts of things
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: like that because we need that, especially during the holidays
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: and stuff.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: Hey, Lucas.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm a bit biased here. He was Keenan Allen's
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: quarterback at Cal, and Keenan Allen went to my high school. So, yeah,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: anytime I see him, Jerry Goff, do well, I'm like,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 5: all right, cool. Let's have a little bit of hope
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: for the Lions who have just been golly, put into
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: a tough, tough just situation in general. I mean, you
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: thought the 2A tour.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: Come on, come on. The defense stinks.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: That defense sucks.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: Their offense is good. Their offense is very good.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's okay.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: You can say it. I mean, I'm on Ron St.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 5: Bryan.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: There's nothing to sneeze at.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: You can say it.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can say it.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: I like when their defense is bad because then they've
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: got to keep throwing the ball and getting points.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: Hey, Cliff, it's his turn. You talk over more people
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: than people tell lies.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: Seriously? Are you nuts?
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: Let him talk.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you one thing. I knew you were a talker,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: but you talk over more people than I could ever imagine.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: But you make sense. Go ahead, Lucas.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, the two-headed monster that was David Montgomery
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: and Vermeer Gibbs is no longer there. I mean, it's
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: just the one-headed monster. I mean, he can only do
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 5: so much. I mean, he's doing all right. Of course,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: he's doing fantastic, but it just doesn't have the oof,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: that it did in, uh, what, 24, 20, uh, 2020, 23,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: maybe 23 when they got taken out by the, uh,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: lovely San Francisco 49ers.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: Uh, sorry.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: Um, anyways, um, yeah, I want to see the lions
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: do so well. And to hear golf is doing great things, uh,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: behind the scenes, um, give them the Walter Payton award already.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: All right, Jason, you're from the area. What are your
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: thoughts about Goff?
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's my guy. You know what? Hey, here's the
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: Terrell Owens. That's my quarterback. He gets a lot of flack.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 7: I know for this particular segment, Scott, he did– he
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 7: throws– every time he throws a touchdown pass for the
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 7: away team for an away game, he gets every, I,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 7: he donates a thousand meals to the, uh, touchdowns for
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 7: good program, uh, with the lineage foundation. So he's definitely, uh,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 7: definitely a giver and, uh, definitely charity charitable in this community.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: Um, and, uh, That's the most important. And there's been
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: a lot of quarterbacks.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 7: Matt Stafford was before him that gave a lot to
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 7: the community in Detroit and Michigan.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: I love Goff.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 7: He won a first playoff game the first time in
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 7: 32 years. He's won playoff games. He's put up numbers.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 7: As long as he has an offensive line, which they
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 7: did build a little bit. Yeah, they're 2-2. Their defense
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 7: isn't doing well. But It's still early in the season.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 7: It's not how you finish. I mean, it's not how
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 7: you start. It's how you finish. And to be honest
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 7: with you, it's, I mean, who knows? Maybe if you
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 7: get in as a wild card, like the Giants did
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 7: back in 2007 with Eli Manning.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: They went in.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 7: They won their last seven. and went out of the
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 7: way to the Super Bowl. It's just how you finish.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 7: You just never know in today's game. I know a
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 7: lot of people are writing the lines off, but that's good.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 7: They don't have Montgomery anymore. They have Seelan Vaki as
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 7: a backup. And Holmes has taken a beating. He's taken
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 7: a beating. What are they doing with the secondary? What's
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 7: going to happen? You didn't sign Montgomery. Montgomery wanted out,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 7: but you didn't want.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: To pay him.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 7: It's just one of those things where You know, hey,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 7: is Brian Branch coming back? So the defense is always
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 7: going to have a magnet, you know, a high magnet
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 7: on them. And Calvin Shepard, he's taking a beating. And, however,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 7: I did see the stat today that their fourth and
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 7: pass rush getting into the quarterback. I think it's 56%, Scott,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 7: for getting to the quarterback. That's good for fourth in
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 7: the NFL. But are they getting home? they're not getting
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 7: home a lot of times. So they've got to be better.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 7: And the secondary has, you know, can't be giving up
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 7: big plays and, and they just are. And offensively, it ain't,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 7: it ain't really word is offensively. They stall. The last
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 7: game is stall against Carolina. Their fuel goals gets you
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 7: a beat, but offensively, I'm not really worried about it
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 7: too much for defensively.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: Obviously they got to get better.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: And, Well, the main thing here in this segment is
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: you're right. The Lions have a lot of work to do.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: There's no question about it. They've got a lot of
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: players out because of injury. But as far as Jared
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: Goff is concerned, the Metro Detroit area has embraced him,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: and he's embraced the community. And that's what you want
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: from your quarterback. And he had two playoff wins in
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: his pocket. So he's definitely a favorite in that area.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: All right, final topic of the night, which happens to
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: be our featured topic of the night, which– Goalies, would
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: you start for Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals?
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: All I'm going to do in this segment is just
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: give everybody a choice of just these five, okay? Because
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals is big stuff.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: You've got Ken Dryden, you've got Dominic Hasek, you've got
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: Patrick Waugh, Martin Brodeur, and Grant Fuhrer. Okay, who are
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: you going with, Cliff?
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: Brodeur by that much over Hasek.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair enough. What about you, Lucas?
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: Can you start another goalie each period? Can you start Hasek?
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: Can you start Raw? Can you start Prodor to close
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: it out? No, I'm just kidding. It would be Hasek
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 5: for sure. I mean, that little man is just through
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 5: himself everywhere. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: So who are you going with? Hasek. Okay, that's fair enough.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Jason. You're muted.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: Man, I tell you, this is tough.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 7: You know, I'm going with Dominic because I watched him play,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 7: but Brodeur was a killer. Rookie of the year, won
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 7: the 95 finals. Grant Fear was a little bit before
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 7: my time. I give him all the credit in the
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 7: world with four Stanley Cups. But Dominic, for me, was...
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 7: is for me, before Detroit, watching him with Buffalo, getting
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 7: them to the finals, and he just stood on his head, man.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 7: That guy, he was great with Buffalo. I think he
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 7: was great. I think he was better with Buffalo, in
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 7: my opinion. He was just so good, and I would
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 7: go with Dominic Hasek all the way.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: Andy, you know much about it?
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: No, I don't know too much.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: All right, I'll go.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: Just to add a little bit more, Hasek was actually
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: a Belfort's backup Yeah, Chicago. In Chicago, when they got
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: to the finals. Yeah, he actually played a little bit
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: with them. Then he went to Buffalo after that. Yeah,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: that was helpful in him. That was crazy. Sorry, keep going.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the guy would go as easily as Ken Dryden.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: He's gotten a Hall of Fame play in eight, ten years,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: not very long, but I'll tell you one thing, he
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: won a lot of family cups. What a heck of.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: An age for goalies. Yeah.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: We were spoiled. We were spoiled for that.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, big time.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, big time.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: Okay. Great stuff. Great job, guys. Any parting shots? Anything
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: you want to get off your chest? Go ahead. Go, Candy.
• 1:28:07
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• 1:28:10
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• 1:28:15
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• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: Anybody else? Go ahead, Lucas.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 5: I want to say it was Blair Thomas. That running
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 5: back that we're thinking of. I think it was Blair Thomas.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 5: Just going back to that Jets running back that we
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 5: were trying to figure out.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: Is that Fred Baxter?
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 6: I don't... Yeah.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 5: That's it.
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• 1:30:25
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• 1:30:29
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• 1:31:02
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• 1:31:04
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• 1:31:06
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• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: I really appreciate your big time. You're like a brother
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: from another mother anyway. Every once in a while, they
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: kick you around when you're babbling instead of just talking
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: in circles. But, you know, when I can figure you out,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: you're doing all right. Just messing with you. I haven't
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: had a chance to do it all night yet. Let's
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: go ahead and take a look at your rolling roller.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: There won't be a rant tonight. I love this guy
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: too much because he's a crazy brother. Lucas, you're a blast.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: That's all I can say. Jason, you're on the rise
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: of candy. You're irreplaceable. That's all I can say. So
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: with that said, that does it for this edition of
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: the Sports Exchange. On behalf of Cliff, on behalf of Lucas,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: on behalf of Jason, on behalf of any... My name
• 1:31:47
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• 1:31:49
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• 1:31:52
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• 1:32:01
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• 1:32:03
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