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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 338 - Boxes And Silver Foxes · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: I don't know what he's up to.
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  Speaker 2: It's picking me like chicken, shofting me like corn, storing
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  Speaker 2: me like an ice dum.
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  Speaker 1: Can I ask you something, honey? Come on, the man's
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  Speaker 1: trying to get some that's okay, go ahead, ask away.
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  Speaker 1: I just got to know the Kennedy assassination. Did Oswald
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  Speaker 1: act alone? Hey, that's for me to know. And Olivers,
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  Speaker 1: I like your hair in the middle with the silver hair.
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  Speaker 3: How old are you seven?
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  Speaker 1: Who killed JFK? I'm not going to read all those pages.
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  Speaker 3: Who do you think killed?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think the government told them?
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  Speaker 4: Now?
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  Speaker 5: The Disruptor in Chief Elon Musk, who apparently has adopted
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  Speaker 5: the alias at least he changed his social media handle
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  Speaker 5: to Harry Balls, tweeted this morning, democracy in America is
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  Speaker 5: being destroyed.
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  Speaker 3: Yoyo, it's your boy, the Tesla King, Elon Musk. The
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  Speaker 3: boys always make my rocket shoot straight up. No, homo,
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  Speaker 3: you bout to listen to the number one JFK related
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  Speaker 3: podcast on planet Mars. Now plug in your neural link
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  Speaker 3: for two numb nuts who aren't a waste of government spending,
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  Speaker 3: the Triple B and Joe B. Is that.
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  Speaker 5: Me?
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  Speaker 6: Show me.
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  Speaker 7: And show me then? Show me Joey, and then show
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  Speaker 7: me yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Sellom, show kill we and here we go.
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  Speaker 6: Here we goes, right, Joe, what's up? Everybody? Welcome to
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  Speaker 6: the show. This is episode number three hundred and thirty eight.
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  Speaker 6: I gotta struggle to remember the hire these numbers. Get
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  Speaker 6: to tell you what.
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  Speaker 1: I just thought to myself when you said and this
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  Speaker 1: is number and I was like, what number is it?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, three and thirty eight Foxes and Silver Foxes. Baby,
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  Speaker 6: So we're gonna be talking about uh, I'm going Johnny ROSSELLI,
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  Speaker 6: little Robber Mayhew, little Howard Hughes this evening and some
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  Speaker 6: ancillery things to all these guys bed Cia be at
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  Speaker 6: the Mafia, whatever the case may be. But before we
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  Speaker 6: get into all that, Joe, let us welcome everybody in
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  Speaker 6: to the house.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, let's do it, sir. So we got let the
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  Speaker 1: record show Tiny Dancer was on time. She was clucked
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  Speaker 1: in a couple hours ago and I said, Tiny, the
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  Speaker 1: only time that's relevant is seven pm. So she did
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  Speaker 1: some credit to her. Sweet sweet Paul Cummings. Good evening, sir,
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  Speaker 1: and I just want to give a shout out. Obviously
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  Speaker 1: we had Paul on last episode. That episode killed it,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, going really well.
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  Speaker 6: They have like almost thirteen views just on YouTube. Yeah, murdered.
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  Speaker 6: That's murdered every other episode that we've ever done. So
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  Speaker 6: kudos to James Dave and Paul Cummings for bringing the fight.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's definitely up there in terms of a week
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  Speaker 1: and uh, you know it was a and the and
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  Speaker 1: the feedback as well, Rob was really great. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of people respected their.
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  Speaker 6: Process, you know, and uh, there's always got to be one,
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  Speaker 6: of course. So I don't know what shows some people
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  Speaker 6: watch here sometimes, but man.
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  Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah, I was like, what, I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to get into it, but yes, there's always one you
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  Speaker 1: can you can never avoid it. Sally Sally, good evening,
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  Speaker 1: mister Alpha sixty six, Mike, how are you starting? Claude?
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  Speaker 1: And of course my love mister Tray and Paula both
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  Speaker 1: super spies, and I think that's a good way to possibly,
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  Speaker 1: uh give a shout out to our more recent superspy Rob.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, we have a new one, do we we do?
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  Speaker 1: As of.
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  Speaker 6: A few minutes ago, Sweet, who be it?
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  Speaker 1: T busy?
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  Speaker 6: Tea busy? That's awesome, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he he was a spook and he asked me
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  Speaker 1: how to upgrade in the chat before, and I said,
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  Speaker 1: just do it on the browser. Nice, that's that's my
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  Speaker 1: terrible attempt at a Boston accent. And he was able
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  Speaker 1: to do it, And yeah, definitely he is in a
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  Speaker 1: good company with of course, Paula Trey and Jack Taylor
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  Speaker 1: some of our favorite people. So thank you, t Busy,
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  Speaker 1: everyone's collective favorite rocket queen of course, Colleen.
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  Speaker 6: Oh hello Colleen, good evening, or.
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  Speaker 1: It might be afternoon for you out there right my
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  Speaker 1: tractor queen?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh oh, Jack is here. I always said, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I gave him some some ship pre show. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: I might be in and out. I'm with my son,
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  Speaker 1: and I said, I'm starting to question your dedication Jack.
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  Speaker 1: Of course we were joking Jack the Man.
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  Speaker 6: What are you doing here? Sir?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? And the Double B the recent nickname given to
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  Speaker 1: Brandon Numbers only on Wednesday, the Double by Good evening, sir.
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  Speaker 1: And uh hey, Lee, how are you how comes to
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  Speaker 1: Blake Blood Vendors. Yeah, Timothy Ryan, let's see. Am I
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  Speaker 1: missing anyone else? Bungled? Of course you cannot miss Bungled.
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  Speaker 6: It's a Bungled and.
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  Speaker 1: Glenn Rocks Yo numb knuts.
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  Speaker 6: What is up across the pond as well.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, thank you for saying this, Sally, because I think
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  Speaker 1: we have something to mention in terms of the merch
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  Speaker 1: and a discount. Yes, I believe it's now, you can
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  Speaker 1: explain it.
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  Speaker 6: It is we let I think we let everybody know
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  Speaker 6: Wednesday night because we got to talking about it because
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  Speaker 6: we saw Joe Lenci that he had a free ruby
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  Speaker 6: shirt on in one of his Facebook Sorry sorry, Paul, uh.
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  Speaker 1: Uh all these guinea all all else look the same
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  Speaker 1: to you.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, all you all you focused in an ill.
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  Speaker 1: Conde.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but that's okay. But yeah, that that shirt looks sweet.
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  Speaker 6: He got it in red, which really matched the the
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  Speaker 6: ambience of the pick. Sure, because I think you can
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  Speaker 6: choose what color T shirt you want to get the
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  Speaker 6: thing on.
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  Speaker 1: You can yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. So but this week until the seventeenth, everything in
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  Speaker 6: our store the link is in the description of the
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  Speaker 6: Video Merch store and has a link everything is twenty
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  Speaker 6: percent off, which is the hell of a deal. So
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  Speaker 6: if you're waiting to order something, do it now because
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  Speaker 6: this kind of deal won't be around until probably next month.
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  Speaker 6: I think every every week they have something like the
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  Speaker 6: week after this one. It's like you have to buy
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  Speaker 6: three things to get fifteen percent off, twenty percent off
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  Speaker 6: everything is this.
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  Speaker 1: Is the yeah yeah for sure. And of course you
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  Speaker 1: don't have to get the free ruby shirt. You can
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  Speaker 1: get the inter pen shirt or T shirt. I think
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  Speaker 1: you could use any design on any T shirt or
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  Speaker 1: hoodie or any car or it's really kind of interactive.
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  Speaker 6: Cool hat like I got.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is really dope. And that is a fitted hat.
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  Speaker 6: It is a fitted hat, big bald head.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty fire. It's pretty fire.
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  Speaker 6: It's nice and clumky. It's perfectly shaped. Man, you can't
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  Speaker 6: I look goodness thing, Joe, you can't. I love it.
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  Speaker 1: It looks really good. I gave you, I know, I
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  Speaker 1: give you your props. After the Wednesday show, h T
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  Speaker 1: Busy New super Spy in the House, what's up Man
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  Speaker 1: kow Peach Sister's kitchenops and Ted Lumley as well.
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  Speaker 6: So hello folk.
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  Speaker 1: As we were yapping, some more people slid in the
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  Speaker 1: d MS.
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  Speaker 6: We love it when they slide in the d M.
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  Speaker 1: Joe, yes, as we have tried to slide in Luna's
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  Speaker 1: d MS.
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  Speaker 6: Speaking of which, Joe, let me show you this real quick. Okay,
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  Speaker 6: I follow her on Twitter. I see she posted this.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know what this trend is with these act figures.
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  Speaker 6: I've seen people doing it and I don't know how
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  Speaker 6: they're making them. But I want this one. I want
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  Speaker 6: this one and it would sit like right, and if
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  Speaker 6: there was a bikini model, that'd be even greater. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: So if this is a real thing, I want one
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  Speaker 6: that is fire.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen those before recently to rob and I was wondering,
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  Speaker 1: like where.
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  Speaker 6: If anybody knows what the hell's going on with these things,
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  Speaker 6: let me know.
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  Speaker 1: It might just be like an AI like create a
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  Speaker 1: probably figure toy and what would it look like?
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  Speaker 6: I just know I would buy one if available. Yes,
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  Speaker 6: I wouldn't spend any more than twenty dollars or it
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  Speaker 6: that I would. I would, I would. I would definitely
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  Speaker 6: get one.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and you would keep it in the packaging. Oh no,
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  Speaker 1: oh no, Joe, we use it personally in ways we
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  Speaker 1: can't go into here.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, I would want to put hands on. But yeah,
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  Speaker 6: if anybody knows what's going on with the set, let
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  Speaker 6: us know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a recent trend. I'm not sure what it is,
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  Speaker 1: at least as it's a Facebook app.
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  Speaker 6: Oh really, How do I miss all this on Facebook?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, or I'll go was messing with us.
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  Speaker 6: Probably, Yeah. So anything on the drama front, I think
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  Speaker 6: we just had the anniversary of the Walker shooting, uh yes, yesterday,
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  Speaker 6: April tenth, and it's sparked a little drama on the
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  Speaker 6: interwebs between Gerald Posner and our buddy Matt from Solving JFK,
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  Speaker 6: and we got dragged into the fray, uh, as we
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  Speaker 6: sometimes do. But he's doing some great stuff. I mean
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  Speaker 6: he's he's putting the Martin film out there and saying, hey, guys, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: explain this ship, you know, and for sure nobody can,
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  Speaker 6: other than trying to say, well, like the one guy
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  Speaker 6: tried to say that it wasn't from it wasn't shot
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  Speaker 6: from inside Walker's house, or it was it wasn't a
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  Speaker 6: commercially available camera because it had such a sweet zoom
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  Speaker 6: on it or something. I don't know what they were
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  Speaker 6: talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no. And to your point, Rob, it was
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  Speaker 1: started because Posner started out the day or the morning
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  Speaker 1: yesterday with a tweet that said today is the adversary
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  Speaker 1: of the Walker shooting, and you know, Lee did it
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  Speaker 1: blah blah, blah blah blah, in which Matt Crempton from
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  Speaker 1: Solving JFK responded with, like a couple of things, but said, wait,
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  Speaker 1: how could you explain this? And in relation to the
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  Speaker 1: Walker shooting, which is of course the John T. Martin film,
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  Speaker 1: which we have done a ton of research on and
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  Speaker 1: everyone knows this already, We're not going to rehatch that,
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  Speaker 1: so that just kind of sparked the whole thing. But
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  Speaker 1: he ended up he asked me, he messaged me, He's like,
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  Speaker 1: is the do you have the Martin film on Twitter
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  Speaker 1: or on your you know, like like a post. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I don't, It's on my laptop. So he
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  Speaker 1: ended up ended up sending the link and he ended
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  Speaker 1: up screen copying it and putting it on YouTube, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: really good stuff. We respect that. Of course.
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  Speaker 6: Thanks Double B for the super chat. I wish life stize.
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  Speaker 6: You know someday, Joe, when we get to design our
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  Speaker 6: own robot companions in the very near future. Mm hmmm. Uh.
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  Speaker 6: I actually saw this movie. I think it was called Companion,
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  Speaker 6: and it's like making Fox play this like smoking hot
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  Speaker 6: robot chick. M h. I think one designed after Ana
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  Speaker 6: Luna would be perfect.
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  Speaker 1: I don't disagree. I've seen these things on Twitter recently
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  Speaker 1: where they're there are these robots that like you. You
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  Speaker 1: go up to this, uh it's like a convention. You
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  Speaker 1: go up and they're like hi, and they're like very lifelike.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm sure the technology exists where you could get
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  Speaker 1: one with dark hair, dark eyes.
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  Speaker 6: And the amazing working and working parts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing features of Little Luna.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you John for the super chat.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you John.
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  Speaker 6: Action figures, stay away from the Fitzer. Yeah, no, we
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  Speaker 6: don't want a Jim Fitzer action doll or Ralph sink
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  Speaker 6: raph sink k that you can pull the string on
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  Speaker 6: the back of here his eyes long in the doorway.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, hello Southwest. I know you just came in, so.
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  Speaker 6: That might be right, Colleen, that might be right, doesn't everyone?
• 15:45
  Speaker 6: It's been a while. Greg's in the house. What's up? Greg?
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  Speaker 1: Hey?
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  Speaker 6: Greg, welcome in, Boddy. All right, Joe, you want to
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  Speaker 6: get kicked off with the topic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure. So you know I'm gonna be talking a
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  Speaker 1: little bit about Robert Mayhew and I'm not sure. I know,
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  Speaker 1: I know, knowing our audience, a lot of you know
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  Speaker 1: who he is. But for those that don't because we
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  Speaker 1: do have a lot of new followers. Rob I'm gonna, like.
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  Speaker 6: Me do I've heard the name of a thousand times,
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  Speaker 6: but I never bothered to like do anything research wise
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  Speaker 6: on the guy, you know, so sure.
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  Speaker 1: For sure me too. And when you said, when you
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  Speaker 1: were bringing up this idea of a topic and you said,
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  Speaker 1: I have something on ROSELLI I'm gonna do Mayhew, you
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  Speaker 1: know who he is, I was like, yeah, he's like
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  Speaker 1: the Cia Anti the cashtro plot guy, you know. And
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  Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, but that, of course isn't you know,
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  Speaker 1: a deep dive into him.
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  Speaker 6: So we're gonna it is much more than just that
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  Speaker 6: as well.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, yes, I'm just using that as of course
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  Speaker 1: an example. So for those that don't know, we'll get
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  Speaker 1: into some of his history. He has a few things
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  Speaker 1: in common with definitely in person. We studied a lot
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  Speaker 1: here before a guy Banister, which I'm going to get
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  Speaker 1: into how they relate to each other. But I thought
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  Speaker 1: i'd kick it off with I think this was one
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  Speaker 1: of his latest a later appearances in life. It's just
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  Speaker 1: about two minutes, so.
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  Speaker 6: Here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no no music, I checked rop.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you the reason we I'm not checking the written questions,
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  Speaker 2: is that if I saw them in advance, if you
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  Speaker 2: could presuppose that I choose the easy ones. But that's
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  Speaker 2: not my style. I think you'll like my method of
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  Speaker 2: handling questions.
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  Speaker 1: No holes barred.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: I realized that you cannot go where I've been without
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  Speaker 2: leaving thoses out of joint. You cannot go where I've
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  Speaker 2: been without becoming controversial. I'm not in the joint fixing business.
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  Speaker 2: If I could fix no, do that. Start with my own,
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  Speaker 2: make it more cosmetic. And whenever I've taken get on
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  Speaker 2: a assignments for my government or any of my clients.
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  Speaker 2: I've never simultaneously run a popularity contest. I go where
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  Speaker 2: it's good for either my my government or my clients.
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  Speaker 6: M H.
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  Speaker 2: I beg of you because of what I said, not
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  Speaker 2: to refrain from asking any question that you feel could
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  Speaker 2: be embarrassing to me. I've never dodged a bullet, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to start this evening. So as I said,
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  Speaker 2: at the sake of being repetitious, there are no holes
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  Speaker 2: bar Now let's go on out.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go on a little journey, shall we row.
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  Speaker 6: I have a question, mister Mayhew.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, you have to call me Joe, mister Clark in
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  Speaker 1: the back.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, is it true, sir that you stole millions of
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  Speaker 6: dollars out from underneath of Howers Hughes nose?
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  Speaker 1: No comment.
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  Speaker 6: I thought you said you're going to answer the questions,
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  Speaker 6: mister Mayhew. You just dodge the bullet, sir.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I should have looked at those question was before
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  Speaker 1: after all?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I'm getting kicked out now. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there there were allegations of that, and we are
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  Speaker 1: going to get into that.
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  Speaker 6: And just so everybody knows real quick, this guy is
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  Speaker 6: a legitimate bad mofo.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he's a serious guy.
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  Speaker 6: He is who the c I, A, and and and
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  Speaker 6: FBI types use for legitimate black bag operations. They use
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  Speaker 6: him as a cutout to Literally, this guy and his
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  Speaker 6: people or the inspiration not Tom Cruise, Natty iron Hunt
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  Speaker 6: for the Mission Impossible series. This guy could do shit
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  Speaker 6: nobody else could do. He could get in and get
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  Speaker 6: out without being seen. And literally he was the inspiration
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  Speaker 6: for the Mission Impossible original TV series. So that's how
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  Speaker 6: legit this guy is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he was a very serious, very serious player.
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  Speaker 1: And we'll get into his background first before we get
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  Speaker 1: into that. So Robert Mayhew was born in Waterville, Maine,
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighteen. This is I'm britting from Spartacus. After
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  Speaker 1: graduating from college with the ho Lacrosse in Massachusetts, he
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  Speaker 1: joined the FBI in nineteen forty during the Second World
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  Speaker 1: War as a Nazi sympathizing Canadian and infiltrated New York's
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  Speaker 1: German American Bund, passing disinformation to spies who were eventually arrested.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, guys, I'm still getting over my sickness,
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  Speaker 1: and I understand I'm a little horse, so I'm sorry for.
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  Speaker 6: I was just getting sick. So I might sound like
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  Speaker 6: shit tonight. I don't know very study.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that time of year, right.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, I thank you, Palin.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. In nineteen forty seven, Rob Mayhew established
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  Speaker 1: his own investigative company and also worked for the Central
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  Speaker 1: Intelligence Agency. He was later to admit, quote, the CAA
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  Speaker 1: was my first steady client, giving me quote cut out
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  Speaker 1: assignments those jobs which the agency could not officially be involved.
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  Speaker 1: This work brought him in contact with Howard Hughes in
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  Speaker 1: the late nineteen fifties on a freelance basis. That this
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  Speaker 1: included intimidating would be blackmailers and obtaining information on business rivals.
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  Speaker 1: And you know Howard Hughes of course one of the
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  Speaker 1: most wealthiest persons in the world. Then you're going to
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  Speaker 1: have a serious kind of chief of security that's going
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: to be and ideally someone in law enforcement and in
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the intelligence agencies that can work with you to get
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the jump on would to be blackmailers and business rivals. Right,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: you help them, they help you. It's all, you know, it's.
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: All contracts that only you could pull off because nobody
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: else can.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was thinking of this analogy
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: rob if like the Elon Musk analogy and the only
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: it's not all. I'm not saying like Elon Musk is
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: that involved with intelligence, but my point is he launches rockets,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: he has you know, intelligence levels, what's what's the word he's.
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: Taken over basically being NASA. You know, he's doing shit
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: NASA can't do. He just rescued some astronauts and NASA
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: was like, ah, fuck him.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Right, you know, like you have to have a security
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: clearance and a good amount of it, and if you're
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: doing these type of rocket ships to like have the
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: kind of credit and do you think Elon Musk chief
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: of security, is badass?
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: He's got to be a bad ass.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I guarantee you he is. I can guarantee it. No
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: idea who he is, I can guarantee it. So this
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: is my kind of analogy to that, may you but
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: all so badass with intelligence connections and in mayhuse case
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: FBI connections and CIA connections.
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: Right. Yeah, on a sad note, you know what must
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: say today? No, by the end of twenty twenty six,
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: they're gonna be launching a mission to Mars with Optimist
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: robots on board. Oh really, Yeah, that's gonna be crazy.
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: We're gonna have footage of robots walking around Mars.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: That would be interesting. I think it takes I think
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: like six months to get there, depending on the time
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: of the rotation of the planets and what makes the
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: best sense.
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: For well, that's a good thing about sending the robots.
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: They don't have to eat, they don't have to sleep, right,
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: they don't die unless their batteries die. But if they
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: can always recharge themselves some way.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure, easy, Yeah, thank you, sir.
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: So.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: In nineteen fifty four, Mayhew was hired to deal with
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: a starlet attempting to blackmail Howard Hughes after their relationship
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: had soured. Hughes also employee Mayhew to spy on Ava
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Gardner and Ava Gardner, the American actress, was at.
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: Hughes was banging some sillies back in the day.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: So let me get yes, So I'm going to hire
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Mayhew's private detective agency to kind of keep an eye
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: on them, right. Mayhew served as Hughes's batman, and among
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: those who received money was BB Rabazo, a close associate
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: of Richard Nixon. Hughes via Mayhew also provided two hundred
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: and five grand which is easy matth tumil to his
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: politician's brother, Donald Nixon in January nineteen fifty seven, and
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: of course what we're going to get into. In nineteen sixty,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Richard Bissell and Alan Dulles decided to work with the
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Mafia in a plot to assassinate Fidel Castro. Mayhew was
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: employed by the CIA to organize this conspiracy. The advantage
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: of employing the Mafia for this work is that it
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: provided the CIA with a credible cover story. The Mafia
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: were known to be angry with Castro for of course,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: closing down there profitable brothels and casinos in Cuba, and
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: if the assassins were killed or captured, the media would
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: accept that the mafia were working on their own. In
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty, Colonel Sheffield Edwards contacted Mayhew. As Mayhew later
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: explained in his book, in the winter of nineteen fifty
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: nine sixty, however, the CIA still thought it could pull
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: off the invasion of Cuba, but it thought the odds
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: might be better if the plan went one step further
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: the murder of Fidel Castro. All the company needed was
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: someone to do the dirty work, professional killers, a gang line,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: gangland style hit, and in enters Mayhew and then Johnny Rosselli.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Mayhew offered the contract of Johnny Roscelli offered this contract
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: to Johnny Roselli. He in turn arranged for a meeting
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: in October nineteen sixty between Mayhew and two leading mobsters
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: other than Santo Trafficante and Sam Giancana. As Mayhew pointed out,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: both were quote among the most ten powerful mafia members
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: in America. Mayhew told the Moss that the CIA was
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: willing to pay one hundred and fifty grand to have
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Cashro killed, which, by the way, Rob. If I'm a
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: mobster and someone offered me, If I'm the head of
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: a mafia family and someone offered me one point five
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: million today to kill a world leader, especially someone like
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: cashtro Back, then I'd be like, get the hell out
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: of here. Make it one hundred and fifty million.
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: Well you got too. It wasn't just the money. It
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: just wasn't about the money for the like Santa's traffic content.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: That's true, that's true.
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: You know, if you don't cancer is sucking up their money.
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: Situation with with the casinos in Cuba, plus the dude
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: put him in prison. So, oh, you want to pay
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: me one point five million to do what I want
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: to do anyway? Okay, and you're going to give me
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: the means to do it as well, okay, and our
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: government signed off on it. Okay, Yeah, I'll take you money.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And as we're going to get into a lot
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: of why I think these mobsters accepted this was because
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: they knew that who was behind this and that they'd
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: be able to use this as eventual you know, chips
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: on the table when things went wrong or you're arrested
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: or you know, ROSSELLI was in jail and was possibly
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: going to be deported, and if you're working with the
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: CIA with something much more serious than that, like these
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: lowly issues aren't going to bother you much for leverage.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Essentially exactly, exactly exactly, And I know that's how gene
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Kanna viewed it. I'm almost certain that's how Traffic Content
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: viewed it. And as we're going to see, that's how
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Roselle viewed it as well. So when I was looking
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: for a good summary, rob of the exact narrative of
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: how this came to be, I stumbled on a Church
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Committee report that I'm going to read to you. This
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: was in seventy five, and this dealt this went very
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: deep into this matter.
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: They uncovered the whole thing.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: They really did, They really did. There's there's no reason
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: to look at the HSCA because the Church Committee Committee really,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: like you know, blew this open.
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: Then this is why Blakie had such a heart off
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: for the mafia, because he figured, you know, if we
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: were doing this, you know, it's not a stretch to
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: think that, you know, the mafia could have turned it
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: around on Kennedy for whatever reason, right.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Right, right, So the initial plan use of underworld figures
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: phase one, there are multiple phases. In August nineteen sixty,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: the CIA took steps to enlist the aids of the
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: aid of members of the criminal underworld with gambling syndicate
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: contacts to assassinate Fidel Castro. The earliest evidence of the
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: operation is a conversation between Deputy Director of Plans Richard
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Bissell and Colonel Sheffield Edwards, chief of the Office's Security offer.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Edwards recalled that Bissell asked him to locate someone who
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: could assassinate Castro. Bisill confirmed that he requested Edwards to
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: find someone to assassinate Castro and believe that Edwards raised
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: the idea of contacting members of a gambling syndicate operating
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: in Cuba. Edwards assigned the mission to James P. O'Connell,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: chief of the Operational Support Division of the CIA's Office
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: of Security, explaining that he and Bissell were looking for
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: someone to quote eliminate or assassinate Castro. Edwards and O'Connell
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: decided to rely on A. Robert Mayhew to recruit someone
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: quote tough enough to handle the job. Mayhew was an
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: ex FBI agent who had entered into as a career
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: as a private investigator in nineteen fifty four, Robert Cunningham,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: a former FBI associate of Mayhew's who was employed in
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: the CIA's office Security, had arranged for the CIA to
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: use Mayhew in several sensitive covert operations in which he
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: didn't want to have an agency person or a government
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: person get caught. So again, they're using kind of cutouts, right,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: They're not, They're using kind of two steps away. Mayhew
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: was initially paid a monthly retainer by the CIA of
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: five hundred dollars, which was terminated after his practice became
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: more lucrative. O'Connell had served as Mayhew's case officer since
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: agencies first began using Mayhew's services, and by nineteen sixty
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: they had become close personal friends. Sometime in late August
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: early September nineteen sixty, O'Connell approached Mayhew about the proposed operation.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: As Mayhew recalls the conversation, O'Connell asked him to contact
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: John ROSELLI, an underrolled figure with possible gambling contexts in
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Las Vegas, to determine if he would participate in a
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: plan to quote dispose of Castro And I just want
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: to go back to this this kind of a footnote
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: here during nineteen fifty of this Church Committee Report fifty
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: four to fifty five, Mayhew cooperated with the CIA and
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: attempting to undermine, ready for the irony here rob Aristotle
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: on Nassas's contract with the Saudi Arabian government that would
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: have given Onnasas virtually complete control over shipping of oil
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: from Saudi Arabia. Of course, on Nassas later married Jacqueline Kennedy.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Although he was employed by Onasas's competitor, Mayhew work closely
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: with the CIA. He testified that he contracted for a
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: listening device to be placed on on Nassas's room in
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: New York after first consulting with the agency, and that
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: he provided the impetus for the termination of the contract
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: by publicizing its terms in a newspaper in Rome that
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: he said purchased was purchased with he purchased with CIA funds,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: and of course, interesting William Harvey, who was also involved
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: in the CIA castro plots, was reassigned to Rome. O'Connell
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: testified that Mayhew, at the CIA's request, had also previously
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: arranged for the production of a film in Hollywood depicting
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: a foreign leader with a woman in the Soviet Union.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I think they mean on NASA's The CIA planned to
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: circulate the film, representing it to have been produced but
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: not released, aka leverage. Mayhew testified that he had located
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: an actor resembling the leader and had arranged for the
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: production of the film.
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: A film mean Porno. Oh that.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I was because they said Hollywood. I thought it meant
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: like film Phil But no, okay, thank you.
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: They basically were trying to set up this. I never
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: want to say who it was, but one of these
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: leaders over there he found somebody looks like this guy
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: and have him bang in his check and then release
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: it in his country and embarrass him but make it
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: look like the Soviets did it.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Thank you for pointing that out, because I was close
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: to it.
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: But yes, John Martin Thorn would have been much better hire.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: For this, if you know. You know. Mayhew had known
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Rosselli since the late nineteen fifties. Although Mayhew claims not
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: to have been aware of the extent of Roselli's underworld
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: connections and activities, he recalled that quote. It was certainly
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: evident to me that he was able to accomplish rosselli
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: things in Las Vegas, when nobody else seemed to get
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: that kind of attention. O'Connell had previously met Roselli at
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Mayhew's home. O'Connell at Mayhew each claimed that the other
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: had raised the idea of using Roselli, and Mayhew said
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: O'Connell was aware that Roselli had contacts with the gambling syndicate. So, Rob,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: here you have O'Connell and Mayhew, both CIA employees, blaming
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: the fallouts of the failed Castro plots on. Oh, the
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: other guy thought of it, right, Mayhew said, O'Connell thought
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: of it. O'Connell said, Mayhew thought of it. Is what
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I gleaned from this, right, Yeah, a classic case of misdirection.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Mayhew was at first reluctant to become involved in the
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: operation because it might interfere with his relationship with his
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: new client, Howard Hughes. He finally agreed because he felt
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: he owed the agency a commitment. Yeah, O kanno. Recall
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: that Mayhew was to approach Roselli using a cover story
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: that he represented business business firms suffering heavy financial losses
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: caused by Castro's actions, probably like casino or hotel owners.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Right again, CIA using plausible deniability to not let Rosellie
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: know who Mayhew was actually working for. But as we'll
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: later find out, Orcelli had a pretty good idea. Mayhew
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: testified as another EndNote footnote testify that he was told
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: the plan to assassinate Castro was one phase of a
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: larger project to invade Cuba. Interesting. Rosselli testified that the
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: story was developed later and used as a mutual cover
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: by O'Connell, Mayhew and Roselli and dealing with Cubans recruited
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: recruited for the project, so that there are a lot
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: of moving parts going on right now, right.
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: A lot.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the let me start showing this. So you have
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: the CIA upper echellance of it with their own goals.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: You have probably the mid level people and uh O'Donnell,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: O'Connell and Mayhew and their plot to or conspiracy to
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: assassinate Castro as a different end of it.
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: You have.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: You have Roselli trying to leverage his own end to it.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: And then as we'll see, he brings on traffic Conte
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: and g and Kanna who probably have their own goals
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: as well. So it's hard when there are a lot
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: of differentiating, different motives for something like this to go well,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: and as we know, for Johnny Roselli, it did not.
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: Go well and most certainly did not end well for him.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: No, but you see what I mean, right, Like everyone
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: was kind of like compartmentalized, like not everyone knew exactly
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: what the other person knew, and not everyone.
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: Joe, that's how you're supposed to do it.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: No, I understand that. I'm just saying everyone's different motives
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: in this area, from Mayhew to Roselle, to Hughes to
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: GM Connor truff for Conte to the top of the CIA,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: everyone had different motives of the ideal outcome.
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: I think. Yeah. I mean, you know, when you're talking
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: about the CIA plucking the most brilliant minds from these
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: Ivy League schools, that's the lie. I mean, it takes
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: smart people to put these plans in the motion. You know,
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: sometimes they did dumb shit, sure, but when you look
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: at this kind of operation, you know it was put
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: together well. And you know, if you believe rogue elements
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: in the CIA put together the hit on JFK, it
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: was planned very well. You know, from you know, the
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: planning to the execution, to the getaway to the cover up. Yeah,
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: you know, all bases were covered.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was not their first time forming an operation
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: Radio.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, that they would have known exactly what to do exactly.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: They would have a couple different fall guys in a
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: couple of different circumstances. And that's fascinating, man. So let
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: me continue reading here. Contact with Syndicate In early nineteen
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: sixty September, Mayhew met Rosselli at the Brown Derby in
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Beverly Hills and told him that quote, high government officials
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: needed his cooperation in getting rid of Castro so again
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: saying government officials, but not saying who, and asked them
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: to help recruit Cubans to help do the job, which
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: is also very interesting. Mayhew recalled that Rosselli was at
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: first reluctant to participate in the project and insisted on
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: meeting with a representative of the government. A meeting with
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: O'Connell arranged in New York City at the Plaza Hotel
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: during the week of September fourteenth, nineteen sixty. O'Connell testified
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: that he was introduced to Rosselli. So here is Mayhew
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: introducing O'Connell, which is kind of his the person he
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: was given the test to Rosselli as a business associate
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: of Mayhew, and that Mayhew told Rosselli that it would
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: be It was arranged that Rosselli would go to Florida
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: to recruit Cubans for the operation. Edwards informed bissel that
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: contact had been made with the gambling syndicate. During the
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: week of September twenty four to sixty O'Connor, Mayhew, and
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Rosselli met in Miami to work out the details of
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: this operation. Roselli used the cover name of John Ralston
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: and represented himself to the Cuban contacts as an agent
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: of quote some business interests of Wall Street that had
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Nickel interests and properties around in Cuba, and I was
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: getting financial assistance from them, so kind of playing like
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: the lawyer, like my clients reached out to you.
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: Roselle's smart too, because before he agrees to any of this,
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: he wants proof, basically that the CIA is signing off
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: on this. Yeah, they're telling me that that's the case.
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: But he's like, nah, I want to meet with somebody
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: in and get assurance that this is really what's going
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: on here. Yeah, before I put, you know, agree to.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: This great point, Rob it's not Roselli's first rodeo either. Huh.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: If he wants his leverage, he's going to make sure
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: he he he.
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: Uh. Well, you don't want to set yourself up to
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: take the fall for something, you know what I mean, Like,
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: you've got to be suspicious anyway about how this whole
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: thing is gonna play out. But before you agree to something,
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: you know, you want to at least be able to say,
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: you know, not to reassure yourself that, yes, to see
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: how he's behind this, but that if something were to happen,
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: they would they definitely wouldn't have his back, and they
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: definitely wouldn't say that they know who he is or
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: they met with him or anything like that or told
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: him what to do. Right, But at least this gives
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: him a little assurance that everything is above board. As
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: Jack Ruby would say.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, everyone's trying to cover their own ass.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Everyone knows the stakes at which this game is being played.
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and this is high stakes shit here.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so let me. I'm just wanting to read
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: a little more from this Church Committee report. Mayhew handled
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: the details of setting up the operation and keeping O'Connell
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: informed of developments after they had been in Miami for
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: a short time, and certainly prior to October eighteenth, resolutely
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: introduced Mayhew to two individuals who of whom he intended
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: to rely Sam Gold, who would serve as a quote
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: backup man or key man, and Joe, whom Gold would
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: serve as a courier to Cuba and make arrangements there.
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: So now let everybody know who Sam Gold is.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: That is Sam g and Kanna and.
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: Joe is me Santo's trafficante?
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, of course. It's interesting that the wording
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: they use here, Rob would serve as a courier to
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Cuba because we know, we know Trafficante was imprisoned in
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: nineteen fifty nine by Cashro. He spent a couple of
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: months in there. Of course, he was treated very nicely there.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: He was later released. He then stayed in Cuba a
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: while and a lot of people thought was traffic Conte
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: playing both sides here, And it's interesting they say the
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: courier to Cuba is Trafficante And I don't know exactly
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: where traffic Conte's true loyalties lay. I would assume that
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: just being a mafia boss, it it late, it landed
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: on the side of money and Cuban casinos. But you
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: never know. I definitely think he was hedging his bets
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: and cooperating with I know he met with Raoul a
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: couple of times for sure. So I'm got to continue here.
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: In real quick, Joe before you continue, sure, Jolly Boomer
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: in the chat said that he was married to Anne
• 49:29
  Speaker 6: loon to ten years ago. If that's true, sir, A,
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: you're lucky. You're a lucky man. And B I want
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: to come on a real JFK related podcast.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: That's your B.
• 49:44
  Speaker 6: Huh, that's your B. No, No, Jolly Boomer, I thought.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Your B was said news. No, if he was married to.
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: Her, well maybe he does the Loncoming podcast at gmail
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: dot com.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, I haven't checked the chat in a
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: few minutes because I've been reading. That would be great,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Joey Boomer, although you would have to give yes, yes,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: nudes or you're full of it. O'Connell testified that he
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: learned the true identities of his associates one morning when
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: made you Cold and asked him to examine the quote
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: parade supplement to the Miami Times an attorney an article
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: on the Attorney General ten most Wanted Criminals list revealed
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: that Sam Gold, Salvatore Ginkana, a Chicago based gangster, and
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Joe nato Conte, the Casa Nostra chieftain in Cuba. O'Connell
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: reportedly reported his discovery to Edwards, but did not know
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: whether Edwards reported this factor was superiors. So again this
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: is another I put it out the flagpole thing. I
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: don't know what happened. It's not my fault. Let's see.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Mayhew recalled it was gen Conna's job to locate someone
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: in Castro's entourage who could accomplish the assassination, and that
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: he almost he met almost daily with Giancanna over a
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: substantial period of time. Although Mayhew described Giancanna as playing
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: a key role, Roselli claimed that none of the Cubans
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: eventually used in the operation were required through Gincana's contexts.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: And that makes sense to me because gen Kanna, being
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: from Chicago probably wouldn't have the top of the line
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: contacts as traffic content would. And then we go into
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: some more stuff, but I'm gonna leave that for later,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: possibly as I think we did a pretty good recap
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: on Mayhew and background and him and the CIA and Roselli,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: and I think I'll leave it all to you. Now,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: what do you think, sir? I think you muted?
• 52:31
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you know. He weaves in and out of
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: both both Roselli and Hughes stories. So yeah, that just,
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: you know, sets a good table for everybody to understand
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: who this guy was and what he was up to.
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: And somebody else I wanted to mention. Between September twenty
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: fifth and the Bay of Pigs, a series of recruitments, meetings,
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: and arrangements were made. The following is an outline of
• 52:59
  Speaker 6: events that is not necessarily in chronological order. Now we
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: mentioned some of this stuff, and Joe mentioned the meeting
• 53:03
  Speaker 6: with traffic Conte and g and Kanna as a backup man.
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: Traffic Conte was used. According to Rosselli, is only a
• 53:12
  Speaker 6: translator for his Cuban assassins, allegedly.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Because he knew Spanish as well as Italian.
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Rosselli, in his contact with the Cubans invents the
• 53:27
  Speaker 6: cover story that he represents some Wall Street business interests
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: who want to see Castro eliminated. We covered on that,
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: and the first attempt at an assassination of Castro involved
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: the use of pills Mayhew and Rosselli met with Cuban
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: number one and number two. Mayhew opened up his briefcase
• 53:43
  Speaker 6: and gave the pills with instructions for their use to
• 53:45
  Speaker 6: Cuban number one. And these pills came straight from Sidney Gottlieb.
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: Mayhew also had ten thousand dollars that he gave the
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: Cubans for doing the project. Roselli did not know of
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: the money. Roselli states he received no renuneration for his
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: work on the project. In fact, he paid out eight
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: hundred dollars for gas for a speedboat to deliver two
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: or three man parties for griller raids into Cuba out
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: of his own pocket. I find it hard to believe
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: that Rozilli did not monetarily benefit from all of this.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Me as well.
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: Prior to the but I.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Have eight thousand dollars of gas expenses.
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, they're basically giving him a get out
• 54:37
  Speaker 6: of jail free cards if he ever gets busted with anything.
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: Always gonna do and say, look, I'm gonna talk, are
• 54:43
  Speaker 6: you giving a fuck out of here? Okay?
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: And that, and I know you're going to get into
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: this that might have contributed to his death. And when
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: we get into that. We're going to figure out. We're
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: trying to talk about who could have possibly been behind it.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: But he was involved in a lot of shady stuff,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: so it's not going to be easy.
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: I will say, from the way that it was done,
• 55:07
  Speaker 6: it's pretty easy to discern who was behind it.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: The way the way. Yeah, But my point is there
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: are motives for, say, the CIA to silence them for
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: their own reason, and the mafia for their own reason,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: and probably half a dozen other people for their own reason.
• 55:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a lot of reasons floating around right right.
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: Prior to the Bay of Pigs, there was no discussion
• 55:34
  Speaker 6: of using guns to assassinate Castro. It was deemed too
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: difficult a task to accomplish that way given Castro's security.
• 55:48
  Speaker 6: At different times, Cuban number one, number two, number three
• 55:51
  Speaker 6: would propose different projects. These would range from using plastic
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: explosives to a booby trapping Castro's desk excuse me. Roselle
• 56:01
  Speaker 6: would relay these one to Mayhew, in turn would run
• 56:04
  Speaker 6: them by the CIA. Most projects were vetoed, but the
• 56:08
  Speaker 6: CIA did supply a short wave radio to the Cubans
• 56:11
  Speaker 6: in Florida to try and make contact with their people
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: in Havana. Eventually, Roselle felt the project had failed, and
• 56:18
  Speaker 6: there was no specific point when it was announced, but
• 56:22
  Speaker 6: at some time Rozelle assumed the project for whatever reason,
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: had not succeeded and was shelved. So kind of a
• 56:33
  Speaker 6: kind of an open ending to this, they just kind
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: of stopped trying, you know, they came up with different
• 56:38
  Speaker 6: ideas and to see I was like, nah, we don't
• 56:41
  Speaker 6: want to do that. Nah, I don't think so, Na,
• 56:45
  Speaker 6: But here's some short wave radios you can talk to
• 56:47
  Speaker 6: people and a man with you know, And so basically,
• 56:52
  Speaker 6: you know, they just stopped trying.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, although they tried, you know, well into the late sixties,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: and I think it's the seventies, but in terms of
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Roselia and this effort was definitely a later sixties.
• 57:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah. So then the bad Pigs happens. In April of
• 57:19
  Speaker 6: sixty one, Truehilo was assassinated the next month in May.
• 57:25
  Speaker 6: There was charges of US involvement in that the rest
• 57:31
  Speaker 6: of sixty one and sixty two, possibly holding the efforts
• 57:33
  Speaker 6: to kill Castro by the Roselli team. The last attempt
• 57:38
  Speaker 6: by the Rossellit team was made in nineteen sixty three.
• 57:41
  Speaker 6: It doesn't give a specific date. RFK quashes the prosecution
• 57:46
  Speaker 6: of Giancanna for the Rowan Las Vegas tap that Mayhew
• 57:53
  Speaker 6: had done. Right, this is the Rowan and Martin's laughing
• 57:58
  Speaker 6: thing that he did for Sam and Conna. Yeah, and
• 58:05
  Speaker 6: so Rob RFK decided not to prosecute h G and
• 58:09
  Speaker 6: Conna for that because that would have opened a whole
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: big can of worms, bringing Mayhew to the forefront of things.
• 58:18
  Speaker 6: And Bobby Kennedy was well versed on the whole Cuban
• 58:21
  Speaker 6: Castro situation and what they were trying, what the CIA
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: was trying to do. Yeah, Yeah, that was the kind
• 58:27
  Speaker 6: of a thing. He was like, Eh, you know, I'm
• 58:30
  Speaker 6: going after the mafia, but not this one. Not this
• 58:34
  Speaker 6: one here, We're not gonna open up this can of worms. Yeah.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Of course he would have to, you know, talk and
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: sing to to kind of get preferable treatment.
• 58:46
  Speaker 6: So yeah, in October sixty two, we have to keep
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: a missile crisis. Early sixty three, Roselli is training training
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: a team in Myami area. Now Roselli shouldn't be trained
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: in anybody. I mean, this guy has no covert operation
• 59:11
  Speaker 6: background whatsoever, no guerrilla warfare training. He's a. He's a
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: basically a palm greasing Monts mobster. Right, but that's what
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: the Washington Post. A George Lardner story in The Washington
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: Post says. In early sixty three, Bradley Air says that
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: he saw Roselli in Miami training a.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Team in early sixty three.
• 59:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Wow, But again, I don't know how much you
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: can rely on Bradley Airs.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: I almost like that to do double take. I thought
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: it was like seventy three, sixty three, Okay, please continue.
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: It was sixty three, yeah, yeah, did I say seventy three?
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: No? No, I just thought it would be later. Oh
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I not much have come out in
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: terms of Verselli, then I thought.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: So March of sixty three Roselli's last ditch effort to
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 6: kill Castro. According to a Jack Anderson column from nineteen
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 6: seventy two, well I think I think what we're seeing here,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 6: Joe is not not contemporary articles. These came out later
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: about what was going on back in sixty three. He
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 6: wasn't written about in sixty three.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's where it's confusing.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. Sometime in nineteen sixty three, RFK quashed any
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 6: further efforts. According to a nineteen seventy one Jack Anderson column.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 6: November of sixty three, D M is killed in the
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 6: Saigon coup. JFK told Smathers later he thought the CIA
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 6: was involved. According to a j Nanuary nineteen seventy one
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: Jack Anderson column, and Kobe is the head of Deep
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: de deputy director of Plans in the Far East Division
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: at the time. Early sixty four, Howard Hunt and others
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 6: from Bay of Pigs effort to begin plot on another
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 6: Castro assassination reported by Ted sol sulk and in a
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 6: book on E. Howard Hunt in nineteen seventy four. And
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 6: by the way, folks, if you missed out on the
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 6: members only this past Wednesday, it was a banger. We
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: uh did a deep dive on E. Howard Hunt then
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 6: we joe it was a very u interesting interesting.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think uh it went two hours and twenty
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: seven minutes. Not too our planning, but uh, you did
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: find an interesting E. Howard Hunt article in the new releases,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: I believe.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, And that's what we talked about. So there
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 6: was a lot of stuff formerly redacted. It was not
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 6: this time.
• 1:02:11
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• 1:02:22
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• 1:02:24
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• 1:02:26
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• 1:02:32
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• 1:02:57
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• 1:03:29
  Speaker 6: All right, back to row Selly, where are we here?
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 6: May of sixty five Katzen back Helms LBJ meeting when
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 6: the depot when the Dominican Republic ended lbjsd Helms the
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 6: CIA had ever been involved in the assassination of a leader,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 6: and Helms told him no. This according to the kat
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 6: and Back testimony to the Senate Select Committee.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: That's wait the seventy five right sixty five sixty five okay.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 6: Okay, nineteen sixty six CIA poisoning plot of Haitian President
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: du Vallier bombing palace in sixty eight. According to Jack
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 6: Anderson column of seventy five nineteen sixty seven, Roselli indicted
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 6: for alien law and interstate gambling crimes the Friars Club
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 6: card game rigging, government opposition to sentence reduction. Surprisingly, March third,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 6: nineteen sixty seven was the first Jack Anderson column wrote
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 6: that mentions Roselli's name. In response to the Anderson story,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 6: RFK tells Welinsky and Edelman, he shut it down. According
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: to a Seymour Herst story teen sixty eight, of course,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 6: the a bombing a Haitian palace Jack Anderson seventy five
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 6: article in nineteen sixty eight, Johnny Roselli is sentenced to
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 6: five years of hard labor Joe, which is where we
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 6: get this lovely photo.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: And that you said sixty eight right, all right, yeah,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: sixty eight Yeah, so five years okay, God, because that's
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: going to kind of tie in in the timeline to.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you can see this happened in Las Vegas. That's
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 6: where he was arrested, Clark County, Las Vegas, Nevada. And
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 6: this is actually Johnny Roselli back in the day, handsome
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 6: Johnny prison happy to be out, buddy, happy to be out. Yeah.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: I think he came out of Chicago at the time
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: of a capoona.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, him and Deeny Andrews shopped at the same Sunglass
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 6: Hut apparently.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Did some of the last hunt existent. I'm just sure.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 6: Nineteen seventy Roselli goes before grand jury under immunity regarding Giancanna.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 6: Seventy one. Mayhew calls Attorney General John Mitchell. He was
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: scheduled to go before grand jury on Las Vegas skimming.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 6: This is what we kind of referred to earlier. He
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 6: was Howard Hughes accused Mayhew of skimming his profits to
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 6: the tune of millions of dollars and seventy money.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, and do you know what happened after he made
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: that allegation, Sir.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 6: What's that.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: May You sued him for defamation, yes, and one out
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: of settle of the court.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 6: So but no he didn't because he appealed it and
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 6: then he Howard Hughes won.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: Oh I did not know that part.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 6: Okay, it was a double got you. Wow?
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And of course you don't sue for defamation unless
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: you really think you have a case.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's see for dement defamation. Then he won, he
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 6: was he was awarded one point three million, one point
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 6: eight million, and then uh Hughes appealed it and one
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 6: and one on appeal.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, I did not know the bootmark.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 6: May You didn't get shipped out of that. But I
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 6: guarantee you he was skimming cooking the books for Howard Hughes.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 6: I mean, you're talking about a billionaire, the world's richest man.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 6: You think taking a little hair and taking it you
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 6: can get away with that man. You can take a
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 6: little hair little there, especially when he was batshit fucking
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 6: crazy by the seventies. Yeah.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: And I also will guarantee you that Mayhew didn't pay
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: one dime lawyer fees during that.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 6: I mean, this is how this cat was living in
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: the seventies. Bro, This isn't This is ripped torn from
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 6: the movie. But you know this, this motherfucker is wearing
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 6: tissue boxes on his feet, not shaving, not cutting his hair,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: not cutting his fingernails, wearing pajamas all day. Supposedly, was
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 6: it all an act? We'll get there, I promise, Uh yeah, yeah, but.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: I'm also saying a last I can guarantee you the
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: CIA probably covered me Hughes legal costs most likely.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean that dude knew some secrets. Like, I'm
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: surprised he didn't end up dead and he just died
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 6: in like two thousand and eight. Yeah, he lived a
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 6: long life, bro.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The video I showed the beginning was two thousand
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: and four, which I lived four years before his death. Yeah,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: that's a good point. He he must have kept a
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: small shot.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah. During the Cuban missile crisis, Rosselli was in Chicago
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 6: and he contacted Bill William Harvey at Harvey's mother's house
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 6: in Indianapolis and left his number in Chicago. Harvey then
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 6: called him and told him to go to d C.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 6: And from d C, Roselli traveled to Florida, where he
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 6: stayed for the duration of the Cuban missile crisis, he
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 6: had times would, through his Cuban contacts, attempt to verify
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 6: the location of the Russian missiles in Cuba. Roselli claimed
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 6: that this had been successful, and after the Cuban missile crisis,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 6: Harvey called Roselli and told him to stop all contacts
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 6: with any and all persons involved in past Cuban missions.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 6: Harvey never stated why the missions were being called off
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 6: and on this whole Dan Rowan thing, this tap, whereas
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: Elie said that he understood that g and Conna had
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: asked Mayhew uh for a tap on Dan Rowan because
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: Dan Rowan was banging his girl one of gan Conna's girls.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 6: Or is either that other dating like sisters maybe somebody knows.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 6: I think there was like they were triplets or something.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 6: Oh I'm not sure, but I forget. I think they're
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 6: pretty famous hot sisters. Triplets.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: Job, that's that's even better.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 6: That's like a that's a once in a lifetime score
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 6: right there.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: Bro, Yeah, they crushed the only fans these days.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 6: Oh my god, uh oh man, where was I Okay,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm thinking about his old video I saw
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 6: floating around Facebook some years ago. There was three three triplets,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 6: all twins, mystery, but it was from like the sixties,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 6: and they had on these like little farmer outfits, little
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 6: daisy dukes and you know, these little crop tops, and
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 6: they were like they were dancing and doing all these
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 6: acrobatics and like doing all this kind of crazy shit together,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 6: you know, like a human wheel.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 6: They would all like like get together like voltron and
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 6: like you know, roll around and all. It was crazy. Sorry,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 6: where'd that come from? If you find it, yeah, yeah,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 6: I'll post it on the Facebook page.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 6: Mayhew gave Roselli two stories on this, the first that
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 6: he was doing Gene kind of favor and the second
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 6: one that there was a real intelligence value in that.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: Mayhew was afraid that Gene and Conna or Ruin might
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 6: be giving out intelligence information that would be of value
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 6: to the enemies of the United States or the CIA.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 6: Roselli had not heard of the names Dubois, or Bellotti
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 6: or Fred Harrison. He admitted that Harvey had discussed the
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 6: tap with him, but both Harvey and Roselli were mad
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 6: that the operation had gone on. Gi and Conna obviously
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: knew about the tap. Mayhew did ask Roselli to get
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 6: bail money for the two tappers who were caught and
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 6: thrown in jail. Mayhew suggested that Roselli could get a
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 6: hotel to turn over the bail money. Finally, Roselli arranged
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 6: to have a man with a green carnation in his
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 6: lapel meet and transfer the bail money. He never received
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 6: any of the money back. Roselli really gets screwed over
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 6: with in the money situation on this, apparently because Mayhew's
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 6: making out of looking ban and stealing money from Hughes
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 6: and the CIA.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: Probably well, he's kind of the middleman, is that, you
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: know Roselli in terms of traffic Conte and Gcanna.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's leveraged, you know.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and and like good luck convincing traffic Conte or
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: Gancana to like go along with us and take less
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: money or whatever. Like it seems it doesn't surprise me
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: that he would be the one that got kind of
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: screwed over.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 6: Yes, the McGuire sisters that might be who I'm thinking
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 6: of it, but he says they weren't triplets, and they weren't.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 6: They definitely weren't the acrobatic triplets that I'm thinking of.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: And thank you Lee be came a spook.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 6: So sweet, welcome in Lee. It's awesome. I appreciate it. Yes,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 6: thank you. Roseelli claims that he did not know what
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 6: type of tap went on. He admitted that he had
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 6: been questioned by the FBI, but he gave no answers
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 6: where zelle knew that Mayhew had been questioned by the FBI.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 6: But again, Mayhew is a former FBI guy. He's a
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: cutout bagman for the CIA. This is all a dog
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 6: and pony show, folks. Nothing's happening here.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of different motives and motivations and at
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: stake here going on at the same time.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah. So fast forward and we have Jackie Anderson right
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 6: writing his first story about this whole thing. He says,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 6: four and a half years ago, Well, I take that back.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 6: I broke a story that now is belatedly rocking Washington.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 6: I reported that the Central Intelligence Agency had recruited two
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 6: mafia figures Roselli, John Rosselli and Sam g and Conna
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 6: to assassinate Cuban premiere Fidel castro. I tracked down Roselli
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 6: and questioned him about the story. He had nothing to say.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 6: He promised me, however, that he would give me his
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 6: exclusive story if he should ever be free to talk. Yesterday,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 6: Johnny Rosselli told, finally told me his story. First he
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 6: told it to the Senate Intelligence Committee in secret session,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 6: and then to me, as he had promised four and
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 6: a half years ago. Roselli is a dapper, hawk faced
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 6: man with a thatch of white hair. He has been
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 6: disciplined all his life to keep his mouth shut. His
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 6: mafia partner, sam Gy and Kanna was slain before the
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 6: Senate investigators could serve him with a subpoena, so it
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 6: was obviously painful for Roselli to talk. I promised I
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 6: would make clear that he revealed no names, except for
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 6: the CIA contacts whose identities the Senate already knew. So
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 6: here's Roselle's own account of the real life mission Impossible,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 6: the attempt to kill Castro. It's a story of cash payments,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 6: poisoned pellets, high powered rifles, and powerboat dashes to Cuba.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 6: The plot against Castro, or Roselli said, began in nineteen sixty,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 6: when Dwight Eisenhower was still president and Richard Nixon was
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 6: vice president, and Alan Dulles was the CIA chief. Roselli
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 6: was recruited in Los Angeles by Robert Mayhew, then an
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: aide to billionaire Howard Hughes. Previously, Mayhew had operated a
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 6: CIA front in Washington. According to Roselli, the murdered mobster
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 6: Samsey and Conna never became involved in the assassination plot.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 6: He knew about it. He may have even suggested a
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 6: Cuban contact, but really nothing more. Again, he was just
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 6: a backup guy. Roselli identified the CIA project officer in
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 6: charge of the Castro assassination as Big Jim Big Jim O'Connell.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 6: May He put Roselli in contact with O'Connell, as Roselli
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 6: remembers it, in New York City, on September fourteenth, nineteen sixty,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 6: right before the Bay of Pigs. Thereafter, Roselli flew to
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 6: Miami and recruited the assassination squads. At first, they plotted
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 6: to poison Castro using poison pellets supplied by the CIA.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 6: They were delivered to the plotters in the Miami hotel room,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 6: according to Roselli, by Mayhew. He dramatically opened his briefcase,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 6: revealing ten thousand dollars in cash and the fatal pellets.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 6: The money was distributed to the Cuban plotters. Roselli swore
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 6: he never took any money from the CIA, except for
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 6: some incidental expenses. He paid the big expenses he set
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 6: out of his own pocket. The poison pills were supposed
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 6: to take three days to work. Supposedly, this would give
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 6: the poison time to work its way out of Castro's
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 6: system before he died, and his death would be attributed
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 6: to natural causes. Roselli never found out what happened to
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 6: the plotters or the pellets, but they tried right again
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 6: later with a stronger nose of poison. Not long afterward,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 6: reports reached them that Castro was desperately ill. Roselli doesn't
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 6: know whether the illness was caused by the poison or
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 6: a virus, but Castro survived and the plotters apparently did not.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 6: Rosselli said he also picked up intelligence which he submitted
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 6: to the CIA both during the Bay of Pigs planning
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 6: and the later Cuban missile crisis. After the Bay of Pigs,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 6: Mayhew was cut out of the plot. Thereafter, Roselli reported
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 6: directly to the CIA agent known as William Harvey. There
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 6: were four more assassination attempts. The plotters were smokling into
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 6: Cuba with high powered rifles. The last assassination squad Rosselli
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 6: heard made it to Avan rooftop before they were caught.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 6: This was around March first, nineteen sixty three. Then the
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 6: product was abandoned. Roselli saw Harvey for the last time
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 6: in June of sixty three. Five months later, Lee Harvey
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 6: Oswald gunned down President Kennedy in Dallas. Allegedly, Oswald had
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 6: been active in the pro Castro movement. Shortly before that
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 6: dreadful day in Dallas, Oswald had made a mysterious trip
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 6: to Mexico, where he visited the Cuban embassy. Allegedly, the
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 6: Warran Commission found no evidence, however, that Oswald was in
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 6: the hire of Havana. Yesterday, Roselli made no apology for
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 6: his CIA role. US authorities call him a bomb my mobster.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 6: He regards himself a patriot, patriot, yes, serving his country,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 6: his adopted country.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: Well, I do to be fair, I do think there
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: is some part of that that's true. You know, the
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: first time the CIA enlisted the help of or I
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: guess the OSS. Then the help of the mafia was
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: in curing the docks during World War Two, and I
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: could see how that that narrative can get planted. Which
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: I am an American. I am trying to do what's
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: best for America, whether that's assassinate cash or whatever, whether
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: I break every American law or whatever might be.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 6: Psych telling you to do it.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I do think that they did probably consider
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: themselves that. Yeah. I came across a couple statements them
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: saying they were patriots.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 6: All right. So before we get into the sad, tragic,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 6: abrupt death of Johnny Rozelli Joe, let's take a quick
• 1:20:41
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  Speaker 1: Time, very long time. Some might say the longest time ever.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of comments here, Rob I thought were funny. Uh,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: Joey Boomer was Rob on the show with Luna.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 6: No, Bro, you didn't see look I was see there's proof. Yes, yeah,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 6: I mean Joey, Yes true For my allegations, sir, I
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 6: just highlight.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: The comments, sir uh, mister Lee, Honestly, how much do
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: you think all the Cuba quote events actually played into
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: the reason for JFK's assassination. So this is a what
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: seems like a simple question, but not a simple answer.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 6: Look, I'm gonna tell you from Fidel Castro's perspective. Okay,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 6: he took things over dictatorship, you know, wise uh in Cuba,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 6: had to bolster himself up. He enlisted the help of
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 6: the Soviet Union to have his back because he's literally
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 6: a little a little piss ant compared to the United States,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 6: and he's very close to us, you know. I mean,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 6: we could turn that thing into a former island in
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 6: the Gulf of uh Mexico or whatever America whatever it
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 6: is now, Golf of America, you know. But unfortunately, in
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 6: doing that, you know, you're gonna kill a lot of
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 6: innocent people, which is not a good thing either. So
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 6: it's not like we could just bomb the shit out
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 6: of him for no reason. But you gotta imagine you
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 6: put yourself in his position. Okay, you have the American
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 6: government trying for years to kill you, to enlist your
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 6: own people to kill you, whether it be overtly, covertly,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 6: you know, whatever the case may be, that would piss
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 6: me off, Joe to the point where, oh, you're gonna
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 6: try to kill me. Guess what, you know, I might
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 6: not be able to raise an army and beat the
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 6: United States at that game, But you know what, maybe,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 6: just maybe I could put together a plot to take
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 6: out you your leader. Just saying it's not out of
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 6: the realm of possibility, is all I'm saying.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: No, not out of the realm of possibility, for sure.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: I also think playing Devil's advocate to that at that point,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: you know, Castro had already taken control of nineteen fifty nine.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: You're talking nineteen sixty three. You have a new administration
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: in there with Kennedy doing back channel negotiations to solve
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: this very uh not pleasant situation of a communist nation
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: being off ninety miles off our shore. I could It
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: doesn't also make sense how how Castro would think that
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: any replacement for JFK would be beneficial to him. But it's,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: like I said, there's a lot of moving parts in
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: this whole thing. Yeah, you have Cuban exiles who are
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: under Batista, who were that felt portrayed by Castro that
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: are now trying to usurp Castro get him out of there.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: Everyone had their different motives, so it's a very hard
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: kind of situation to digest.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 6: For sure, to play devil's advocate to your devil's advocate.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, I love it.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 6: I find it hard to believe that itty bitty Castro
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 6: that they could never get rid of him ever ever. Sure,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 6: And you got to remember too, the government they made
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 6: this Neutrality Act where they made it illegal supposedly for
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 6: these anti cancer Cubans and mercenaries too basically try to
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 6: go into Cuba on their own and.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: Do something, confide to county.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 6: And I've never understood Guantanamo thing.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: All right either, man, that's a weird one.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 6: Like you know, this is our part of Cuba, and
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 6: Fidel's cool with it. Like I don't understand.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: It's a weird one, man. I don't either, to be honest,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: I think it was a treaty before the time of
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: Castro that maybe they acknowledged. It's a weird one.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 6: But yeah, we're gonna put a prison on your island
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 6: for our worst criminals, you our worst, the worst of
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 6: the worst.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to your point, I mean, listen, I think if
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: they wanted Castro out, they could have done it easily.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: I think the Cuban missile crisis played some type of
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: role in that. And let's not start World War three
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: by getting Russia involved in this proxy war, proxy territory
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: or whatever it's. It takes a lot of years of studying,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: for sure. But Trey has a good comment here, of course,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: with Treveport. Howard Hughes Ruby was once arrested in Shreeport
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: for vagrancy. Is it vagrancy the one where you're you know.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 6: You're what, you're a boom oh?
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have to do with the homosexuality.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 6: No, vagrancy, No, not unless you're a gay boom oh.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: I always thought that was vagrancy. Maybe I got that wrong.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: I'm young, you gotn't remember. Vagrancy is not a charge
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: that exists in our time here And when Herr. Hughes
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: was arrested in Sreeport, a policeman allegedly asked him if
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: he was the owner of Hughes Tool Company. Hughes said, quote,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: if there's a Hughes Tool Company in Streeport, then I
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: own it.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 6: And we'll get more into Hughes in the South here
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 6: a little bit, but back to so. There was an
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 6: article written in September of seventy six in the Washington
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 6: Post by Rudy Rudy Maxa and says, until last month,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 6: Johnny Rosselli lived comfortably with his sister and brother in
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 6: law and a Miami suburb. A friend estimated that he
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 6: earned about twenty five thousand dollars a year from a
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 6: gift shop that he owned in the lobby of the
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 6: Las Vegas Frontier Hotel. Not a bad gig. We used
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 6: to earn money for not having to do shit right.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 6: He shrugged last year when his attorney suggested that he
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 6: hire a bodyguard after the murder of Chicago mobster sam
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 6: Gy and Conna, his partner in Cia plots to kill
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 6: Fidel Castro. If anybody wants to kill me at my age,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 6: he said, what difference does it make? So we played
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 6: golf several times a week, sipped white wine with dinner,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 6: and until somebody decided Johnny Rozzelli should wind up in
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 6: the oil barrel in Miami's Dumbfoundling Bay. Considered employment in
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 6: the new gambling casinos beginning to open up in the
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 6: oil rich Middle East Dubai. You know the Arab Emirates.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 6: That was the well, that's the that's the new, the
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 6: new new Vegas. So let's see here Wherozelli's killers did
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 6: not ambush him where Zelli went to them. He went
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 6: to the plantations at one pm on July twenty eighth,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 6: wearing a golf shirt. He had his golf clubs and
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 6: his trunk. He told his sister he would be home
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 6: for dinner that afternoon or that afternoon or evening. He
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 6: was killed, probably by suffocation, perhaps after being tortured. Early
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 6: reports said his legs were broken heavily chained. Rosselli was
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 6: stuffed into a fifty five gallon oil drum and dumped
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 6: into the ocean. Excuse me. His brother in law found
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 6: Roselli's silver colored nineteen seventy five Chevy Impala several days later,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 6: parked at the Miami International Airport, which is a notorious
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 6: dumping ground to dump vehicles that you don't want found
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 6: for a while. He dumped at the airport ten days
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 6: after Roselli's disappearance. Something went wrong. The drum that was
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 6: meant to keep his death of secret floated to the
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 6: surface of Dumbfoundling Bay, buoyed by the gases of Roselli's
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 6: decaying body, the holes in the side of the drum,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 6: and the placing of his Chevrolet at the airport, and
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 6: investigators that his corpse was never meant to be discovered.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 6: History was supposed to recall the dapper Johnny Roselle, facing
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 6: deportation proceedings that the government had threatened off and on
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 6: for years, decided to disappear on an airplane flight to
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 6: who knows where. Right. That was supposed to be the
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 6: supposition that he just disappeared, right, that he made off,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 6: and it'd be one of these great mysteries like you know,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 6: what happened to Jimmy Hoff never happened to Roselle. You know,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 6: they found his car at the airport. He probably went
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 6: someone in the world, got some plastic surgery, changed his name,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 6: and lived a great old life. In reality, he's and
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 6: stuffed in a barrel at the bottom of Dumbfoundling Bay.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 6: Uh cutting up and disposing of bodies is not necessarily
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 6: new to our department, since the man who directed the
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 6: search for Roselli's killers, Lieutenant Colonel Minim, head of the
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 6: Dade County Homicide Squad, is a well muscled UH man.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 6: With an aqualine nose that separated a pair of hard
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 6: blue eyes.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: Joe kind of like, oh wait, what nose?
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 6: Aqualine?
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 6: Like a beak? Okay, I remember, dude had a nose
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 6: on him, Joe.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: A lot of the a lot of the Italies.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 6: Do I mean look at that thing? Yeah, yeah, he
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 6: had a nose.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: It's like the Mona Lisa. That's a surprise.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 6: Uh So, let's see. As it turned out, Resili wasn't
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 6: the first body to float into the annals of Miami.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 6: Crime and a drum minim says ten years ago, a
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 6: lover's quarrel resulted, and then a man stuffing his girlfriend
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 6: in a drum. Filing was cement and aqua vil was shaving.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 6: Look shit, what the fuck is that? The drum was
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 6: found resting against the dyke and justice was eventually done.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 6: We don't appreciate people committing murder and dumping a body
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 6: in our county, regardless of who the people are, but
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 6: especially if it's organized crime many of us, says. His
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 6: department handled one hundred and sixty eight homicides last year,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 6: boasted an eighty five percent clearance record. Joe, I'm talking
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 6: much as good as Captain Fritz.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: That's a really good clearance record.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 6: That Johnny Roselli was destined to walk on the dark
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 6: side of life. Never seemed in doubt. As a teenager
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 6: in Houston or I'm sorry, Boston, when his name was
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 6: Philippo Saco, where Roselli was a runner for the numbers racket.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 6: He helped his stepfather burn down his home for the
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 6: insurance money. He was arrested adage twenty two for stealing
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 6: twenty five dollars from somebody, and he changed his name
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 6: to Johnny Rosselli and left for Chicago. It would be
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 6: forty years until in the late sixties Roselli would see
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 6: his mother again, though he sent money to his family
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 6: through an intermediary in Chicago so his sisters could attend college. Well,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 6: he's a mobster with a heart of gold, Joe. By
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 6: the late twenties, Al Capone was well established in Chicago.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 6: Politicians and cops were on the Capone payroll, and a
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 6: young man with the Roselli street savvy had little trouble
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 6: finding suitable employment. He hired on as a rum runner
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 6: with a Capone gang, and at age twenty six, Roselli
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 6: was arrested for selling morphine to an undercover agent, hence
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 6: the old bugshot we have of him. He was acquitted,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 6: though after no one could seem to find the arresting
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 6: officer or informant in the case. They still haven't been located. Yeah,
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 6: the arresting officer or and the informant, not just one
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 6: of the other. So they had to turn Johnny loose. Imagine,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 9: Ah.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 6: He was a lover of women, friendly with men of money.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 6: He moved to Los Angeles and uh rubbed shoulders with
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 6: the kings and queens of Hollywood. He wore hand tailored
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 6: suits and by all accounts, was easy going, mild mannered.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 6: He was married for a time to an actress. They
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 6: had no children. He became a close friend of Harry Cohn,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 6: the legendary head of Columbia Pictures. The two men sometimes
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 6: vacation together, not the gayway, and Rosselli always seemed to
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 6: know how to place a bet. Should Cohen care wager
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 6: on a horse that is not double untriumed to talk, folks,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 6: that's very literal. According to Bob Thomas's biography of Cone,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 6: King Cone the movie Mogul once offered Roselli a job
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 6: as a producer. In his book, Thomas disguised Rosella's identity
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 6: at Rosselli's request, what would you pay me, Roselli asked Cone.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 6: Five hundred dollars a week. He said, I get that
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 6: much from waitresses who take bets from me. Roselli has
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 6: sent it for Requi. Besides being a handyman with the
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 6: placing of bets. Roselli purchased a twenty six percent interest
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 6: in a Tijuana racetrack with twenty five thousand Cone had
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 6: loaned him. Roselli paid him back promptly and included a
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 6: check for six percent interest. Cone magnanimously tore up the
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 6: interest check and said, buddy, you don't owe me a
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 6: fucking dime. Pretty cool. Roselli bought twin star rubies, had
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 6: them set into rings. Well maybe they were gay, Joe,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 6: I don't know. Roseelle bought twin star rubies, had them
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 6: set in rings, and gave one to Cone, who considered
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 6: it his most prized possession. Good luck charm until his death.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 6: Once when Chicago mobster Willie Buyof moved to Hollywood and
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 6: again making life miserable for movie studios by shaking down
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 6: executives in return for labor piece. Roselli stepped in and
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 6: saved Cone from a lengthy strike. When Cone refused to
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 6: pay tribute to Buyof in his union, Buyoff tried to
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 6: halt production at Columbia by calling a sudden strike. Desperate
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 6: Cone called Roselli, who marched into Buyof's office and confront
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 6: of the hoodlum who sat behind his desk wearing a
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 6: hat and coat, chopping on a cigar with a gun
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 6: resting on the desk in front of Whereseelli said, listen, Willie,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 6: I don't know what you're trying to prove, but it
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 6: isn't gonna work. Damn it. This is a spike thing
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 6: and you're not going to get away with it. You
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 6: meet with Cone and get it settled. After that, buy
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 6: Off back down and called off the pickets. After he
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 6: was sent to jail for extortion, buy Off cut a
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 6: deal with the government. With the government and named Roselli
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 6: as a Chicago monster who had helped him shake down
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 6: movie studios. So what a backstab and rat that guy was? Uh.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 6: When he got out, he returned to Hollywood to make
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 6: pictures of prison and gangster life, but publicity about a
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 6: secret appearance before the key of a crime committee ruined
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 6: his relationship with most studios. The stockholders would scout me
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 6: Cone Cone told a bitter Roselli it was during his
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 6: years in the Las Vegas or Los Angeles. In the
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 6: Las Vegas areas that Rosselli met a man who would
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 6: make him a household name later in life, as being
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 6: Robert Mayhew, the ex FBI agent who portrayed a Washington
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 6: private eye business into a stormy career as Howard Hughes's
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 6: man in Las Vegas. He approached Roselli on behalf of
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 6: the CIA in nineteen sixty and of course we covered
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 6: that pretty good right. Another person Roselli met in that
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 6: era who would later resurfaced to talk of Roselli, g
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 6: and Conna and John F. Kennedy was a young party
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 6: girl named Judith Exner. Campbell. Mayhew and Roselli would later
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 6: tell Frank Church's Senate Intelligence Committee the details of their
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 6: plots to co Castro. It was certainly evident to me
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 6: that Rosselli was able to accomplish things in Vegas when
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 6: nobody else seemed to get the same kind of attention.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 6: Over dinner at the Brown Derby and Beverly Hill sixteen
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 6: years ago, Mayhew explained to Roselli that his government needed
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 6: his services. Roselli, who was born July fourth, nineteen oh five,
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 6: was nothing if not patriotic. He was even born on
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 6: the fourth of July. WHOA Sam gen Conna once said,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 6: just wave a flag and Johnny anywhere, Oh boy, but yeah.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 6: Some have speculated that he was killed for talking too
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 6: much to government investigators. W Roselli was hardly a loudmouth,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 6: though in the league of A Joe Velashi, who sang
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 6: for televised Senate hearings on the Mafia. In sixty three,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 6: fourteen years ago, Rozelli confided in his lawyer, Washington attorney
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 6: Ed Morgan, that he had been told by Cuban sources
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 6: in Miami that John Kennedy's killing was ordered and arranged
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 6: by Castro, but he lived with this secret. The day
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 6: after Roselli's body was scooped from its crude barrel shaped coffin,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 6: his brother in law in New Jersey, Peter Cardillo, told
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 6: me down deep in a way, I probably hope it
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 6: was connected to the Castro affair. At least then Johnny
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 6: he would have died for calls and they never did.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 6: Find his killers, Joe, maagine.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: That, Imagine that, And I know it's been rumored that
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: Santo Tropicante had a lot.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 6: To do with that. Yes, so I'm going to turn
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 6: it back over to you so we can talk a
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 6: little Howard Hughes. Huge.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not going to get too deep into Howard Hughes.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, a lot of you guys know
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: a lot about him. So an hour and forty five
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: minutes into this, I'm not going to get too deep
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: into him here. But let's see, Okay, I'm actually going
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: to read a little bit from Robert Mayhew's book in
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two. Rob It's called Next to Hughes.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 6: I ordered it today on Amazon. Joe, Oh did you yeah?
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: Did you?
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: Very cool?
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 6: Another three dollars purchase on Amazon.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you can get really good, uh, some really good
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: uh books for a couple of dollars on there. For sure.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 11: Let me see, I want second I bring this up here,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 11: all right, let me just read like a couple a
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 11: couple of three seconds of background on mister Howard Hughes
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 11: before I get into.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: The weeds here. So Howard Hughes uh was uh born
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: in Houston, ninete you know five. His father was the
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: founder of Hughes Tool Company, which shout out Trey might
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: have had something to do with the Shreveport Tool Company.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: And essentially he was like kind of like we said earlier,
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: like an Elon mustype, had a bunch of airline contracts
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. He as a kid and attended
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: private school in Boston before moving to the Thatcher School
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: in California. He was allegedly the brightest student in physics
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: the school had had in years. And let's see, in
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: nineteen twenty five he married his first wife, Houston socialite
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: l Rice, and they moved to Hollywood and then began
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: producing films. A couple Academy Award Women winners, Two Arabian Nights.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 6: Super Chat, Joe, Oh, I didn't see that. Yes, thank you,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 6: thank you, ten dollars Canadian.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, two blocks on arth and we're rich
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: now ship appreciate it, sir.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 6: That's probably like twenty bucks a U as thank you
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 6: story Canadian. Yeah, I'm got really more than a dollar.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 6: I would think.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: I think it's like close to one to one. Actually,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: you know what, it's a lust of one to one
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: because I do hockey cards to Canada.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 6: But uh nerd alert, Yes, I know, thank you.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: Yes exactly. But so again, he was a playboy. He
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: had a bunch. He was kind of like the Elon
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: musk hat a bunch of you know, companies. But I
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: thought we get into his gumars because that would be
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: the most interesting.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 6: Uh hell got Joe, Damn, He's got a lot of
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 6: he does.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: There's a few more so. We have Billy Dove on
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: the front the left hand side there, Bessie Love not
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: to be confused with Dove, and Carol Lombard, who I
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: believe was really famous.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 6: Olivia d Hallivan Halin, Captain Hepburn.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: Korin, Griffith, Ida Lupino, Lilian Bond, uh Ava Gardner, Olivia
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: de Havalande, Jean Tierney. I mean, this dude was killing
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: it and uh uh he really was, for for lack
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: of a better term, kind of like the Elon. When
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: you think of being really wealthy and also having a
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: bunch of real estate and av on aviation and aerospace
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: and aircraft business, I mean we can go into Hughes
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: founded the Hughes Aircraft Company in nineteen thirty two, and
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: you know, and contracts throughout world War two. But that
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: will be kind of boring, almost two hours in. But
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: let me read something earlier, and this is Robert Mayhews
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: what I was referring to earlier and next of Hughes's book.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: It was when it was then when the CIA conceived
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: the notion to let the mobsters do with themselves. They
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: had a garage against Castro ever since he forced them
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: out of the Havana Casinos. It was rumored that meyer
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: Lansky had put a million dollar bounty on Castro's head.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: Director Alan Dullas passed the ball to his director Bissell
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: to Colonel efforts, we've gone over that. Mayhew goes on
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: to say, though I'm no saint, I am a religious man,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: and I knew that the CIA was talking about murder.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: O'Connell and Edwards contended that it was a war, a
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: just war. They said it was necessary to protect the country.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: They used the analogy of World War II, and so
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: Roselli's first response to Mayhew's offer was last year, actually me,
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: Roselli said, you want me to get involved with Uncle Sam.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: The Feds are tailing me wherever I go. They want me.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: They want to They go to my shirt maker to
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: see if I'm buying things with cash. They go to
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: my tailor to see if I'm using cash. There there
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: always trying to get something on me. Mayhew, are you
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: sure you're talking to the right guy, which I thought
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: was very interesting.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 6: And always, you know, than the snake you don't know.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's exactly right wrong, And so I just
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: want to bring it back. I mean, listen, we're two
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: hours in now. I don't want to get like super
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: into Howard Hughes. He's a very.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 6: He was a very rich man.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: Rich man, a powerful man. Uh, some connections, of course.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: He hired Mayhew to be his you know, chief of
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: security for lack of a better term, and uh, and
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: that one.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 6: He's living in the top floors of casinos in Las Vegas,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 6: surrounded by the mafias, the mafioso a coaster and I
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 6: think he wasn't tied in bed with all this shit too.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, I think it went back to
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: who is the question? I think it was I unstarted,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: but it was someone like, what does these mafia plots
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: have to do with the JFK assassination? And I think
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: it's it's the fact that certain aspects of the CIA,
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: parts of the CIA that couldn't operate in their normal ways. Right,
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: so they hired someone like Mayhew, right, or they hire
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: they make Mayhew hire someone like Rosselli to get on
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: the Castro assassination plots, who in turn earn higher anti
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: Castro Cubans. I think that is the biggest thing to
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: take away from it is you have these three factions
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: kind of coming together. You have the CIA and areas
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: of the CIA that can't be.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, because notice Mayhew and Rosselli do not recruit mafioso
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 6: for this job. Okay, so the CIA uses Mayhew as
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 6: a cutout. Mayhew uses Cubans as a cutout. Right, some
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 6: random random Cubans that are expendable. They can pay them
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 6: ten grand you know, to do this to try to
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 6: poison Castro. Right, and we're talking big money was floated around.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 6: You just mentioned a little bit ago, my Orlansky had
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 6: put you know what a million dollar bounty on Castro's.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: Head, Yeah, which is at least ten million today.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, you know people, you know you have all
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 6: of this money changing hands. You know, you got giant
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 6: mobsters from Gene and Conna to traffic Conte Howard Hughes money,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 6: CIA black budget money, and all these people are getting
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 6: their fingers into it all the way down to all right,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 6: lowly Cuban bastard, we'll give you ten thousand dollars to
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 6: kill them. Yeah. And if you think these guys are
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 6: scalping off the top of this bounty, you're dead wrong.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, No, that's a great point, Joe. I'm sorry, no,
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: I said, that's a great point. The intermingling of these factions,
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: whether it's you know, elements of the CIA that can't
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: be you know, uh yeah, uh presented, you know that
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: have to be put out through cutouts, right, and the
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: mafia and Cuban exiles. And I think if you explore
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: that that dynamic, I think you're going to get pretty
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: close to what happened in the JFK assassination in my
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: humble opinion.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and you got to remember too that the CIA
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 6: is not supposed to be doing any of this shit
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 6: inside the United States borders. Okay. They are a foreign
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 6: intelligence gathering agency. That was always has been their charter.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 6: They're not supposed to be doing anything domestically, right here
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  Speaker 6: you go.
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  Speaker 1: Right, But of course jam Wave was kind of like
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: almost like and like didn't didn't apply to the normal
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  Speaker 1: rules because oh, we have to have jam wave there
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: because it's the closest to Cuba, and we can't have
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: a place in Cuba, so we have to have it
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: a jam wave, right, So that's kind of how they, yeah,
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: like screwed with the borders in a sense, for lack
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: of a better term.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but I mean yeah, I mean I think
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  Speaker 4: I think these uh, these relationships from CIA, whether it's Harvey,
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 4: whether it's ROSSELLI, whether it's John Martino and Morales and
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 4: other Cuban exiles and inner pen I think it was
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 4: a pretty good, uh.
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  Speaker 1: Thumbprint kind of in my opinion of how the type
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: of factions that could have been involved into pulling off
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: an operation like the assassination of JFK.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely, you can definitely see you know the plan anyway,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 6: you know. Yeah, all right, since Joe didn't do part
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 6: of his assignment, I guess I'll wrangle it up here.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 6: Hang on, one second, what did I not do?
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  Speaker 1: Boxes Oh, the eighty page thing I was supposed to read.
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  Speaker 1: I did not read that, though.
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  Speaker 6: I wish you did. I'm not stelling for everybody.
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  Speaker 6: All right, So, folks, I'm gonna leave you with this.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 6: I heard the authors at least Mark Music. I don't
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 6: know if I've heard Douglas Wellman talk about this on
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 6: podcasts before. In this book, I have not. I think
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 6: I might have read it a very long time ago.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 6: It's been out for like twenty years, I think roughly.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 6: But this is a book called The Secret Life of
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 6: Howard Hughes that asserts it Howard Hughes I a crazy, old,
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 6: weird looking man like this right, that he actually lived.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: On those look like cement shoes.
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  Speaker 6: For another for another fifteen or twenty years, I think
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 6: into the late eighties or nineties, living a secret life
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 6: in Alabama. He married a lady and lived with this woman.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 6: I don't know if he had access to his money
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 6: or what probably did, but she ended up I don't
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 6: know if he told her. She ended up figuring out
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 6: who he was by just asking questions or things that
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 6: he was doing or saying. But this is what they allege.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 6: Howard Hughes ended up looking like after some plastic surgery
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 6: and living his life a very simple life. He lived
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 6: in a trailer in Alabama. Now, I don't know if
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 6: I believe this or not, but I always love a
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 6: good story, and this is a good story. So if
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 6: you're interested in and then something like that, go check
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 6: out this book called Boxes, The Secret Life of Howard Hughes.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 6: I believe he left behind a box for his wife
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 6: to find, and she turned she let the authors check
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 6: it out. You know, some of his letters, some of
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 6: his things from throughout the years, and they put together
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 6: a very compelling case that possibly Howard Hughes went on
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 6: to lead a secret life and away from the praying
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 6: eyes of the public, and a very simple life and
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 6: a very happy life and died happy old man. So
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 6: it's interesting. I don't know how true it is, but
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 6: I'm just throwing it out there.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean it didn't Elon Musk live
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: in like one of those little like boxes for a
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: while with like nothing, probably not very long, No, but
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: he had one of them. But so in that sense
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: you never know.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 6: You have a tiny house too, in.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: That sense you never know. But yeah, I will have
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: to read that. I did not do that eighty pitches
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: of homework.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 6: I did not have time. But the first two chapters
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 6: are free out there. If you just google the book,
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 6: it'll pop up in the first two chapters. It's like
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 6: eighty pages of the book are free to read. So
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 6: if that picture interests, you know, check out the book.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 6: But anyway, I think that's going about do us for
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 6: this evening? Sir?
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: Sure? Welly can I I ask you one question before
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: you go?
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  Speaker 6: I suppose I suppose if you must, if.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: I must, and just wrapping up ROSELLI yeah, no, no
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: pun intended. Who do you think was eventually responsible because
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: he had testified.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 6: To the Oh that reminds me, see, I got this
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 6: something I didn't do.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: He testified for the first time, he was being called
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: back for the second time, and between the time he
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: was being called back he was found in the barrel
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: or I guess they were looking for him during the
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: time he was supposed to talk the second time. That
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: the is that the autopsy? No, oh, I have that.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 6: And this is an FBI report.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, I have the autopsy if you want.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 6: Well, this is an FBI report from Los Angeles in
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 6: June of nineteen seventy. And I'll put forth another motive
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 6: from somebody who might have wanted to kill Roselli. Sure, okay,
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 6: for a whole totally different reason than the Castro plots
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 6: and all of that. This is something totally separate.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And like we talked about earlier, we don't know
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: exactly why he was killed. He could have been killed
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: for a multitude of reasons.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Now, this was in reference to a report to
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 6: Special Agent Howard Dodge dated December of nineteen sixty nine
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 6: in Los Angeles. During the past several months, beginning in
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 6: the first part of January nineteen seventy, SD redacted CTE
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 6: has furnished information concerning acts by Roselli to extort money
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 6: from Mode Dallits. The activities in this connection, as reported
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 6: by this informant are being set out in full as follows. Now,
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 6: for those of you who don't know who in the
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 6: hellmode Dallas is. He was the big swinging dick in
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 6: Las Vegas when it comes to the mafia and owning
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 6: Vegas like this guy was the man. Okay, and allegedly
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 6: Roselli tried to extort him for a lot of money. Okay,
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 6: check this, oal Joe, this we'll get you killed.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, man me or Rosselli Roselli.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 6: The informant advised that on January ninth, seventy, nineteen seventy,
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 6: he received a call from Los Angeles attorney James Katillion.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 6: Catilian was half drunk and happy as the federal indictment
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 6: against him had been dismissed, which charged him with contempt
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 6: and the illegal possession of the federal grand jury transcripts
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 6: in the Friars Club card chieving case in Los Angeles
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 6: that Roselli had been accused of. That's the thing that
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 6: landed him in prison, Okay, Cantillian told the informant. The
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 6: Los Angeles Lacos and Ostra hoodlum John Rosselli wanted to
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 6: see him as soon as possible. He raised a meeting
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 6: for the informant in Roselli at Contillion's home on Sunday,
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 6: one eleven seventy. Informant advised that Cantillion resides on Candom Drive,
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 6: on the corner of Candom and Sunset Boulevard in Beverly Hills, California.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 6: The informant met Roselli there at noon. After a short
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 6: visit with Cantillian, informant and Roselli went to the Tale
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 6: of the Cock restaurant. Roselli told the informant that he
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 6: no longer gets any money or help from the Chicago
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 6: mob since Sam Mooney g and Conna left Chicago and
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 6: headed to Mexico. So when the heat got on old
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 6: Sam g and Conna, he got the hell out of
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 6: Chicago and fled to Mexico. Roselli did, Gian Conna did,
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 6: That's what That's why I.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: Thought, you said, okay, yeah.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 6: He indicated that when g and Conna left Chicago, he
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 6: left in such a hurry with all of his money
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 6: and told the Koshinostra little or nothing of the many
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 6: deals he was involved in Chicago. Wheroseelli indicated that as
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 6: a result of the federal prosecution against him in Los Angeles.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 6: He now needs financial assistance is an apparently not getting
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 6: it from the current Chicago leadership. Roselli requested that the
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 6: informant contact merv Addelson at Rancho La Costra in northern
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 6: San Diego County and make an appointment for Roselli to
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 6: have a sit down meeting with Mode Dallats, Whereroselli told
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 6: the informant, if he is not successful in this, he
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 6: wants him to go to Vegas and make contact with
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 6: Yale Cohen and through him arranged for Roselli to meet
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 6: with Dallats w Hroselli told informant that when the meeting
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 6: is arranged, he wants the informant to sit in on
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 6: it with him and to say nothing. Whereroseelli indicated to
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 6: the informant that he he was going to ask Mode
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 6: Dallas for thirty five thousand dollars the first time around.
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 6: He will allow Dalots to arrange for the place and
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 6: time for the meeting. The informant got the impression that
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 6: Roselli would have arranged for this meeting with Dallas through
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 6: George Gordon, but that Gordon is in critical health and
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 6: he could not contact him. During this meeting with Roselli,
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 6: informant brought up the subject of Moe Morton, who owns
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 6: a home in a yacht in San Diego and who
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 6: is frequent contact with Giancana in Mexico. Roselli confirmed that
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 6: Morton is in frequent contact with Giancanna and that Morton,
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 6: Mooney and sid Coorsha Korshak had something going on in Vegas.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 6: The informant stated that he was unable to interpret this
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 6: remark or asked Roselli any questions. Roselli told the informant
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 6: that if things work right, he will have him go
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 6: to Mexico to contact Giancana directly for him. Informant advised
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 6: that he received a call from Los Angeles hood attorney
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 6: James Cantellion that Roselle wont to meet him at three
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 6: pm in Cantellion's office.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: Right, let me.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 6: Just keep all the bullshit and get to the juicy part, okay.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 6: Roselle totally informant that he intends to ask Dallas like
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 6: I said this time around, for thirty five thousand cash
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 6: to help pay his legal fees, and then he was
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 6: in need of money Whereseelli totally informant the Dallas Dallats
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 6: owes him or owes them seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 6: Whereseelli claims that when Howard Hughes bought the casino and
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 6: hotels from Moe Dallas's group, where Roselli was instrumental in
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 6: having Dallas remain on in the management position as an
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 6: advisor during the transition period. He stated that as a result,
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 6: Dallas was in a position to skim a great deal
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 6: of money from the operations of the Desert Inn and
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 6: the Star Duck. Roselli told informant that as a result
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 6: of this, he feels Dallots owes him seven hundred and
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 6: fifty thousand dollars and that four hundred thousand dollars of
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 6: that belongs to the Chicago mob and the rest belongs
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 6: to him. He now wants a cash down payment of
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 6: ten percent thirty five thousand dollars to help him pay
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 6: his legal fees and the rest as soon as possible,
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 6: So he's basically strong arming mode Dallits into paying him
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 6: them sam Gy and Kanna four hundred thousand and him
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 6: three hundred and fifty thousand dollars for brokering basically a
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 6: deal between Howard Hughes and Mo Dallats. So when you
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 6: go strong arm and big swinging dicks in the mob,
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 6: they don't like that, Joe, they don't, they don't, they
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 6: don't like.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: That doesn't tend to work out very well for the No.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 6: So there's another possible motive that has nothing to do
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 6: with the castro plots. I mean, it kind of does,
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 6: but it kind of doesn't. You know, It's it's outside
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 6: the realm. So he's desperate for money at this point,
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 6: you know, in facing jail time, facing deportation, Gene kind
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 6: of left his ass and went to Mexico. Is like
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 6: fuck it, you know, fuck everybody, I'm out itches. And
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 6: so now he's stuck basically trying to blackmail mode Dalits
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 6: for a hundreds of thousands of dollars. No wow. Again,
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 6: that possibly, you know, could be the end of him
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 6: as well.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: Who knows, right well, it's hard to tell exactly.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 6: Maffia ending I would say, right.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: You know, a great Tony Soprano quote when he talks
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: to his therapist is there are two ways for a
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: guy like me to end up Ninety percent of the time,
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: it's in jail or dead. This is true, and that's
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: just a great quote I thought of. So when Giacana
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: returned from Mexico, I guess he was taken out days before.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: He was taken out on the night of June nineteenth,
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: seventy five, shortly before he was scheduled to appear before
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: the Church Committee.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 6: He should have never came back.
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: He should have not.
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 6: No, and I don't think they ever forgot who killed
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 6: him either. No.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: But in terms of deaths that I don't think are
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: or suspect are not random deaths, and co and ROSSELLI
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: definitely rank up there.
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: Did it have to do exactly with the jfk assassination,
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know. They were talking to the Church Committee
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: then HCA hasn't really been formed yet, so.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 6: It was tangentially related.
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, you play in dirt, you get dirty. It's a
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: wire quote.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: I'm pulling them all out here.
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 6: But he never participated in the castro plots. What you've
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 6: met this end probably not?
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: Probably not. I one hundred percent agree with you, Yes,
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: So what just fascinating to think of it. If it
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: was like his fellow mobsters, or was it like the CIA,
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: or or some disgruntled other skufuza like it's it's hard
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: to tell when when you've done decades of dirt know,
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: definitely not a wrong death for sure. Well, it's got
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 1: a ruby cam Ruby.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 6: Come on Ruby, Come on Ruby, Ruby, It's time to
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 6: dance Ruby, come on, come on girl. Okay.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe thank you everyone.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 6: Yes, thank you everybody for charing. Thank you so much
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 6: for the all night, very very nice. Business has always probably, uh,
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 6: it's Wednesday, and thanks friend. Yeah, if you hang on Wednesdays,
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 6: I'm told, in the name of truth be come a
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 6: COVID crime comming.
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: Your name of justice.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 6: The quotation is it could be used for him or
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 6: against her. Yes, good night, here's me.
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: See you on Wednesday.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 6: Hostel of East Baby