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From Disney to Porn with Maitland Ward · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 4: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I hope you had
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  Speaker 4: a great Labor Day weekend. Let's get into it. Real
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  Speaker 4: Housewives of Beverly Hills, they finally got to Aspen. It
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  Speaker 4: was a pretty boring episode until we actually got to Aspen.
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  Speaker 4: We had to see them all packing and who cares.
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  Speaker 4: And we get there and then it's at Kyle's house.
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  Speaker 4: She has a nice house in Aspen. Mauricio comes. He's
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  Speaker 4: making steaks. They're having like a very casual dinner. And
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  Speaker 4: Kathy Hilton shows up. And they're joking that she's so
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  Speaker 4: high maintenance because she's like, Kyle, do.
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  Speaker 1: You have a fork? Do you have a knife? Do
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  Speaker 1: you have any napkins? Let's be honest.
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  Speaker 4: No one ever said Kathy Hilton was low maintenance. I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: can she have some utensils to eat the meat with?
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, then Kyle shows her her room, which is bunk beds.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm like, I think she's being pretty cool to.
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  Speaker 1: Sleep in a bunk bed. And she was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this seems fine. This is fine. So half the girls
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  Speaker 1: are at Kyle's house.
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  Speaker 4: The other half are at a beautiful rental home down
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  Speaker 4: the road, which is a little bit nicer than Kyle's,
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  Speaker 4: no offense, but I think I'd rather be there. And
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  Speaker 4: then the queen bee, Diana, she has to stay at
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  Speaker 4: a hotel because I thought it was like a security reason,
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  Speaker 4: which I do think that could be the real reason.
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  Speaker 4: Don't send me a letter, Diana. I'm just saying like,
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  Speaker 4: Maybe you have to have people on either side of
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  Speaker 4: you or something in the room. I don't know why,
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  Speaker 4: but she stays at a hotel also because she's just
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  Speaker 4: a diva and wants the amenities of a hotel.
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  Speaker 1: That's probably more it.
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  Speaker 4: But she does have her stylist come with her who
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  Speaker 4: has to like zip her ski jacket. And she also
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  Speaker 4: admits to Garcelle before that the reason she does that
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  Speaker 4: is because she has like ghostbusters is what she called them,
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  Speaker 4: but like people that sage the place, get rid of
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  Speaker 4: the energy. When she is honestly, like, brings up some
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  Speaker 4: darkness into the room.
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  Speaker 1: So, just kind of ironic.
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  Speaker 4: So, they get, after they have their corn on the cob,
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  Speaker 4: they're sitting around. And Lisa Renna's like, look.
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  Speaker 1: What I found in my room, a Ouija board. Yeah, right. So,
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  Speaker 1: they sit down.
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  Speaker 4: And, of course, Kyle, who is, you've heard of Teacher's Pet?
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  Speaker 4: Kyle is what I want to call Producer's Pet. She's like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: let's make sure that we didn't bring these guys to
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  Speaker 4: Aspen for nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Let's make something happen with this scene. Who still hates
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  Speaker 1: each other?
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  Speaker 4: And Erica's like, well, Garcelle, I don't know why you
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  Speaker 4: brought up my drinking. Why did you bring it up
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  Speaker 4: and talk about it with everybody else, but you didn't
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  Speaker 4: talk about it with me? And Garcelle's like, Erica.
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  Speaker 1: I did. When? When you and I went out, ironically, drinking.
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  Speaker 4: I said, why are you drinking so much? Okay, well,
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  Speaker 4: and she's, and, and, They're like, why do you, you know,
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  Speaker 4: what else is your problem? And then Sutton's like, well,
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  Speaker 4: why doesn't anyone feel badly that I was called horrible
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  Speaker 4: names by Erica at the reunion?
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  Speaker 1: And everyone's like, what? Who cares about that? And they flashback.
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  Speaker 4: And at one point, Erica says to Sutton during the reunion,
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  Speaker 4: it was a bitchy thing to do.
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  Speaker 1: And you are the worst word that you could call
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  Speaker 1: a woman. They bleep it out.
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  Speaker 4: And, She's like, why did nobody care that they called
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  Speaker 4: me that? And then Diana, the new girl, Diana, who's
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  Speaker 4: staying at the hotel, says, because you are one.
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  Speaker 1: Erica falls over, claps her hands, and she's like.
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  Speaker 4: Garcelle's like, this is horrible. Sutton's sitting there. Other people
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  Speaker 4: are laughing.
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  Speaker 1: Lisa Bruno's like doing her face. And at that point, it.
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  Speaker 4: Is honestly the worst slumber party. Honestly, it reminds me
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  Speaker 4: of the one time, no offense to public school girls,
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  Speaker 4: but I was invited to a public school girl party
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  Speaker 4: and I was the only one that went to the
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  Speaker 4: Catholic school. And I'm the Sutton in this. I was
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  Speaker 4: the Sutton in this situation. I couldn't say the right thing.
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  Speaker 4: They were being mean to me.
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  Speaker 1: I was crying.
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  Speaker 4: I woke up the next day and they'd put cat
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  Speaker 4: litter in my sleeping bag with a cat litter shit,
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  Speaker 4: hoping that I'd roll over on it. But I like
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  Speaker 4: never really moved when I slept. Anyway, that was Sutton.
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  Speaker 1: This was the meanest, like middle school, awful, not even
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  Speaker 1: middle school, like maybe middle school. I don't know. It's
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  Speaker 1: like sixth grade. Just horrific, horrific, horrific. And they're all laughing.
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  Speaker 1: Sutton's sitting there crying. And Garcelle is like, you guys,
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  Speaker 1: she's crying. And then Kyle's like, don't be a victim, Sutton.
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  Speaker 1: Don't be a victim.
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  Speaker 4: And she's like, well, I'm not, I'm not being a victim,
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  Speaker 4: but it does surprise me that nobody came to my
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  Speaker 4: defense or said anything to Erica that it was wrong
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  Speaker 4: that she called me like the worst thing that you
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  Speaker 4: could call a woman.
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  Speaker 1: And then, um, and then.
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  Speaker 4: Garcelle's like, well, I didn't appreciate that, uh, Erica called
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  Speaker 4: me a liar.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I stopped following you guys on Instagram.
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  Speaker 4: And then Kathy's like, there's three things I don't ever
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  Speaker 4: want to be called a liar, a thief.
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  Speaker 1: And a pedophile. And they're all laughing about the pedophile.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm like, okay, again, Diana, don't send me a
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  Speaker 4: cease and desist, but look it up.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting word of choice for the circle. And then there's
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  Speaker 1: the thief. Okay. People think Erica's a thief. who's the liar?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It was just like, and I was like, well, you
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  Speaker 1: didn't say racist, Kathy.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: That's a little foreshadowing.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, it, it is a dark fricking situation. And she's,
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  Speaker 4: she's just sitting there, um, Sutton. She's, she's Heather McDonald,
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  Speaker 4: the private from the private school with the mean public
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  Speaker 4: school girls, just alone with cat shit being planted in
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  Speaker 4: her sleeping bag. And she sits there and, um, And
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  Speaker 4: Kyle's just like, no, no, no. And trying to explain
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  Speaker 4: that this isn't it. And then Diana says, Garcelle goes,
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  Speaker 4: why won't you forgive her? And they flashback at all
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  Speaker 4: the times that Diana said that she would forgive Sutton.
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  Speaker 4: And she's like, I don't like you, Sutton. I don't
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  Speaker 4: like you because you made fun of my miscarriage. And
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  Speaker 4: Sutton's like, I said I was sorry. And she's like,
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  Speaker 4: you questioned it when I went to Garcelle's party.
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  Speaker 1: You made fun of it. You questioned it. You acted
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  Speaker 1: like I wasn't telling the truth. And meanwhile, you had
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  Speaker 1: a miscarriage, but you're just mentioning it now, which is
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  Speaker 1: basically she's calling her miscarriage.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the subjects of this evening were so awful.
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  Speaker 4: And they're like, well, we have an early day tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: Who wants to go skiing?
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  Speaker 1: So they leave. And We're going to see it next week.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it looks like next week's episode, they go skiing,
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  Speaker 4: they have some fun, and then Erica is going to
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  Speaker 4: go crazy. And she, in the previews, she is like
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  Speaker 4: yelling and saying like, I don't care about the people.
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  Speaker 4: What about me? I only care about me. And Rinna's like,
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  Speaker 4: don't say that. And Kyle's like, Erica, don't say you
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  Speaker 4: don't care.
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  Speaker 1: About the victims.
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  Speaker 5: So.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't think we're going to see anything with
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  Speaker 4: the Kathy stuff next week.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. But it's juicy.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, the Bravo chicks showed the picture of Erica. I
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  Speaker 4: have it here laughing after Diana said, because you are
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  Speaker 4: one about poor crying Sutton.
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  Speaker 1: And they wrote, this is dark. This is bullying. This
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  Speaker 1: is not entertainment.
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  Speaker 4: And then I don't get this, but they showed something.
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  Speaker 4: where The Pretty Mess had commented, wow, I knew about jewelry,
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  Speaker 4: shopping sprees, and plastic surgery, but this really threw me
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  Speaker 4: for a loop. Oh, I think she is referring to
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  Speaker 4: Tom Girardi buying the condo for his mistress. And then
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  Speaker 4: Lisa Renna says, oh Sutton, oh Sutton, here's another LA
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  Speaker 4: Times article for you, honey. I don't know if she
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  Speaker 4: meant to write honey or she just misspelled it henny.
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  Speaker 4: Like teasing her that Sutton knew how to read.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry. Sutton does know how to read. And
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  Speaker 1: she did read the entire LA Times article when none
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  Speaker 1: of you could and couldn't imagine that she took the
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  Speaker 1: time to read it. Very, very mean. Very mean.
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  Speaker 1: we're ready for a real juicy interview. Juicy, juicy. I'm
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  Speaker 1: here with Maitland Ward, who was an actress. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to get all into it.
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  Speaker 4: Not only were you in White Chicks, we realized, but
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  Speaker 4: best known for your role in the hit show Boy
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  Speaker 4: Meets World.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Now you have a book coming out. It's out today,
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  Speaker 1: How Porn Liberated Me from Hollywood, and it's called X-Rated.
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  Speaker 1: Rated X. Sorry, Rated X.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm just ready to hear your whole life story
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  Speaker 4: because you had a traditional career as an actress doing
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  Speaker 4: sitcoms and parts in movies and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And now you are very happy being an extremely successful
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  Speaker 1: porn star.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of people use the word I once joked
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  Speaker 4: about this. I'm like, not everyone's a porn star.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. But the minute you do one tiny porn,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, porn star.
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 1: I know. I don't think everyone's a porn star, but
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  Speaker 1: you are.
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  Speaker 2: It's like saying, like, oh, people are, like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: television star when they've done, like, one guest part.
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  Speaker 1: Reality star. Right, right, right. And you're like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you're a reality star.
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  Speaker 2: No, but I honestly, I'm so thankful, like, to my
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  Speaker 2: fans and everything. Like, I am an established porn star, so...
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  Speaker 2: Award winning. I think once you win awards, that's when
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  Speaker 2: you can say that you were an established porn star.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to get into the whole thing of
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  Speaker 1: how you came here and, you know, you're the happy
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  Speaker 1: porn star with the glowing skin. Oh, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so let's, so you said you grew up here
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  Speaker 4: in L.A. and you went to Long Beach State.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And so were you... Pursuing acting then.
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  Speaker 2: I got a part on the soap opera The Bold
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  Speaker 2: and the Beautiful when I was like 16 years old.
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  Speaker 2: And I turned 17.
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  Speaker 1: Not The Bold and the Beautiful. Oh, did you remember?
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  Speaker 2: I was Jessica Forrester. I was blonde and young and teenager.
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  Speaker 1: Because Bold and the Beautiful was a spinoff of Young
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  Speaker 1: and the Restless.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And those were the only shows I ever watched as
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  Speaker 1: a kid.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny because I... I watched the first episode of
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  Speaker 2: Bold and Beautiful when I was 10 years old when
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  Speaker 2: it first came on. I was sick that day, so
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  Speaker 2: it just happened to be. But I was like, I
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  Speaker 2: want to see the first episode of a soap.
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  Speaker 1: Because I was a big.
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  Speaker 2: Soap fan from when I was young because my mom
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  Speaker 2: watched it.
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  Speaker 1: My grandma watched it. Wait, stop. I remember the first
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  Speaker 1: episode too. Ridge and Caroline. And the characters had gone
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  Speaker 1: to USC. Yeah, because it was all LA. Yes. And
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  Speaker 1: I was like, It's the greatest. I want to go
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  Speaker 1: to USC.
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  Speaker 2: My character on Bold and Beautiful went to USC at
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  Speaker 2: one point.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: And then she went to Oxford in London when she left,
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  Speaker 2: when they kicked her off the show.
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  Speaker 4: So when you were 16 and you started working on that,
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  Speaker 4: then were you no longer in regular high school?
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  Speaker 2: No, I was in regular high school at the time
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  Speaker 2: because I would go like a couple days a week
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  Speaker 2: to regular high school. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And what high school was that?
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  Speaker 2: Lakewood High School in Long Beach, California.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, cool.
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  Speaker 2: And it was fun because I think everybody saw me
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  Speaker 2: as a drama nerd before I was, I was good
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  Speaker 2: at drama. Like I was really into like the drama
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  Speaker 2: program and everything. But nobody thought I'd be a soap star.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that really shocked everybody.
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  Speaker 4: Now, how did you get an agent and all of that?
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  Speaker 4: Were you a child actor or how did that come about?
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't really a child actor. I did a lot
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  Speaker 2: of theater and stuff in my community and I did
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  Speaker 2: like classes and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: But– So your mom or parents were involved in allowing.
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  Speaker 1: You to do this?
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  Speaker 2: They were like, oh, but don't do anything professional until
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  Speaker 2: your braces come off.
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  Speaker 1: And I did.
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  Speaker 2: At 15, my braces came off.
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  Speaker 4: So I was like– And then at that point, did
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  Speaker 4: you kind of have to get your parents to make
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  Speaker 4: sure that, like, Mom, I need an agent.
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  Speaker 1: I need to have headshots. So you were the one
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  Speaker 1: pushing it.
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  Speaker 2: And I went to this place called TVI, which is
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  Speaker 2: an acting studio. I totally remember that.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember TVI?
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  Speaker 2: They were so big back in the day. And I
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  Speaker 2: think they're still around, are they?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: But....
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  Speaker 2: I was like, they have, like, professional acting classes and
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: they help you get agents and they get headshots and everything.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: So they did help me. And I think I was
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: one of the only people that actually got a job
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: from a TVI.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Like, casting director, like, workshop. Yeah, which probably– yeah, they–
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: I remember all that type of stuff. Yeah. Those casting directors.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: It's like– They– you pay. Yeah.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: You pay for the casting director to see you and
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: the casting directors get paid to be there.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Yes. But once in a while, they do find someone
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: that they can bring in on something.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: But I really think it was because I was only
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: like 16 and I was in this casting director workshop
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: because I was a big fan of soap. So I
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: was like, I want to be in a casting director
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: workshop with the– bold and beautiful casting director.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: This is amazing.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: But everybody else was like in their thirties and forties
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: and they would been in acting a long time. And
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I came in there like totally green.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Well, everyone always said back in the days when soaps
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: were popular, like it is the greatest training ground. It
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: is because you have to read and memorize so much
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: dialogue and such a quick turnaround.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Was that difficult? Are you someone that memorizes easily?
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Um, I kind of am somebody who memorizes easily, but
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: like at the time, like it's, I was in high school,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: so I was really, like, used to, like, studying and
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: getting all that information in my mind. And so I
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: think it was easy for me, but I definitely had
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: to learn the tricks of the trade. But it is
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: the best training ground. I mean, nothing else would be
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: as hard as that.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: But is there even any soaps left? I think there
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: is just Young and Restless.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Well, Beautiful is still left, yes.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: So those are the only two? Four.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: There's four. And actually, Days of Our Lives is going
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: to the Peacock. streaming network.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: You know what? It might actually get a new life.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Honestly, back in the day when they had radio soaps
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: and they went to TV, it was like, oh, is
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: it going to be good on TV and stuff? But actually,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: they're doing a good thing for days, I think.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I actually do. Okay, so everyone's like, Heather, get to
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: the sex. Get to the sex! But when did you
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: get Boy Meet World? How old were you there for that?
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I was about 20, I think. It was after Bold
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: and Beautiful, and I had gone off the show for
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: a little while, but All of my success like happened
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: in a very short span of time looking back on it.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: It seemed forever at the time when I was young.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: So I didn't get it very long afterwards. And it
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: was funny because I started off in a very dramatic
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: role in the soap opera and then to get sitcom.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: But sitcom was something I really loved to do.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: And so what was your role on the show? On
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Boy Meets World? No, no, no. On the Boy Meets World.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: I would say I was the sexy roommate of the
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: boys when they went to college. Like it was all
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: these kids that grew up on Boy Meets World and
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden they went to college and
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: it was the college years. And I was the sexy
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: roommate of Will Prudel, Eric, and Jack, who was Matthew Lawrence.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: And that was in front of a live audience? Yes.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: And so now I read a little bit about articles
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: and stuff that you touch upon in the book.
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: But like what was...– like looking back now, what are
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: the things now that we know so much about Hollywood and,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: you know, how women are treated differently than men? Especially
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: even a few years back. Like what do you want
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: to share about that? That like now you're like I
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: can't believe that this happened or I didn't realize it
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: at the time.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: It was interesting because writing the book, I actually realized
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: a lot of things that happened that I didn't like–
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: give enough uh like thought to at the time right
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: because i thought i'm an actress i'm gonna do my
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: job the car is beautiful where did you end up
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: going for it this exclusive place that dad has connections
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: with they have more cars for more dealerships than like
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: anywhere else.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: You have to put me in touch what's it called.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: It's dune ideal where dune ideal there's an accent on
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: the e do you mean yes i got an undone
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: deal cars lift Please.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Are you going past Kimmage?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, Kimmage. No.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Done deal cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: have faced tremendous setbacks and yet somehow have found a
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: filed against me.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: what would you do if it was given back?
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: He said, I have a work dad. I need a
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: home dad.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: What happens next? When I came in, he started crying.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: those hard moments that they go through.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: It's about what happens next. I decided to risk it all.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I realized how valuable every day was.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: You're worth the work. Listen, Dara, I'm not going to
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: pull punches. You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: I'm like, it's okay to go like, like in one,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: at one point I was asked to go up to
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: the producer's office over and over again to try and
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: lingerie for a specific episode. And it's like, nowadays I
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: would be like, why do you have to see me
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: in all of this lingerie over and over and over again?
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: So it's a very basic lingerie. It's not like they
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: needed to get it right. Okay.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: So wait a minute.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: And I thought that was my job.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Okay. Cause so I've done, you know, I've been on TV. Yeah.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Have you ever done that?
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: I've never done lingerie type of stuff, but it was
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: cause I was always just like funny, whatever.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: But normally the way it works is, Is you go
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: to wardrobe. Yes. They, let's say you're doing a scene
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: where you have to go to a cocktail party.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: And they're like, okay, you know, the star is wearing red.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: So I brought you blue, green, and pink.
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: You put, these are the two that we like.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: They take the Polaroids and then they send that to
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: the producer who then chooses the pink.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Never in my life have I gone to the
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: producer's office in the outfit. I know.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: And so they made you, instead of doing the Polaroid.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Not one time, not two times, but like three times.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: For a basic set of like a little, you know,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: like a little camisole.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: But no, but they made me try on the way
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: worse one. It was worse, I won't say.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: And this was just one producer or a couple?
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: No, it was a whole, like 15 of them. Like, seriously.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Were they all guys? Yes.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Maybe like one was a girl.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Like, you know. Yeah.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: But it was like a whole room of them. And
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I remember the executive producer, Michael Jacobs, was like, oh,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I'm so embarrassed to see you here because you're like
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: a daughter to me. But I'm like, you've had me
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: come up here three times in all this lingerie. And
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: it was like, we have to get the right lingerie.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: It's like, really? Did we?
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Like, I know.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Take a Polaroid, take like pictures of me. It was really,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: it was really an odd experience, but I thought it
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: was my job. And I was so insecure about my
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: body back then and stuff. Like, even though I was
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: like a, like a stream being like, I, you know, I,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I had no reason to be like insecure about it,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: but I was, I was young and I was, you know,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: but I was like, I have to do this. I
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: have to look good for them. And the most, the
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: thing I was most worried about is that I wasn't
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: like sexy enough for them or I didn't, Like, the
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: lingerie didn't look good enough on me or something.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: You know? So how old are you at that point?
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: 21, about.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, just getting to drinking age.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: So, okay, so you do, you're doing that.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: And then how many years did you do on that show?
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: I was on a couple years. It's funny because I
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: was on the last two seasons of the show, but
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I had auditioned for a show called Zoe, Duncan, Jack,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: and Jane, which was the year before, which the executive
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: producer of the show was. He was producing it, but
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: I didn't get it. Selma Blair got it, actually, and
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: she's great. And we were totally different types, but they
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: gave me a holding deal for Blameats World. So I
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: had kind of been around for, I'd say, the last
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: three years of the show because I was around everybody.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: So at this point, at 21, you are making enough
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: money so you can live on your own. Pretty well.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: And do you have a boyfriend? Are you sexual?
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Like what's going on at 21 while you're this sitcom star?
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Actually, I had been on and off with my now
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: husband because we had met early on in my soap
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: opera career, but he had gone to college back east
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: and stuff. So we had been back and forth or whatever.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: So I did have, I was very nervous sexually. Like
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: I did have little sexual liaisons, but I didn't feel
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: confident enough in myself to like, Be myself. You know,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: so yes and no. Like that time I didn't know
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: who I was as a person. I really– I was
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: really discovering myself and I was trying to like stop
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: myself from being like a bad person, like quote unquote,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: like what I thought.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: And did you have– what was your– like what was
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: your parents' situation?
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Were they married?
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Were they religious? Married.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Still married to this day.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: And very religious.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: What kind of religion?
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: I would say my parents weren't as religious as my
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: grandmother was.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Like Christian, like my grandmother was like a Baptist kind of.
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: Got it.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: You know, she loved me to death, but she would
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: always tell me I was going to go to hell.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: For what?
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: For like anything. Like the rapture was coming. My parents
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: weren't that far. Okay. They wanted me to be a
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: good girl and like live by the rules and stuff.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: But my grandmother was like, oh, man. you better live
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: in line because you're going to go up and the
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: rapture needs to get you, you know? Or you're out.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Like, burn at the stake.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: And I mean, at this point, are you having fun
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: as a 21-year-old that's a working actress?
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Like, you're not going to nightclubs and seeing Paris Hilton.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: You're not doing any of that.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: No, I was not doing any of that.
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: No.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Do you feel like you missed out?
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I did. Yes. I did. Although I don't want to be, like,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: crazy and, like, arrested or anything.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: But I did.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: And I felt like I couldn't. Because I felt like
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I'd be a bad girl and people would look down
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: on me. And I was always interested in, like, will
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Disney want me for the next job? And, like, if
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I show myself as being really responsible and a good girl,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: they'll hire me. But they didn't care. Like, they didn't care.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: So then when did the White Chicks come in?
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: White Chicks was a little while later. And it was...
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: It was so fun because we could go to Vancouver. Like,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: it was away from Hollywood, and I got to hang out. Like,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: it was a girl's dorm at the– Right.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Were you in that hotel?
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: You were in it.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: I was in– no, I was in that hotel, but
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: I only did a few days on it.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: You were months there.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: But, you know, the three girls that were the friends.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: That wasn't me.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Busy Filts. Right, right. Then there was– Jessica Caulfield. The
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: two girls– that they were playing was you.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: It was me, but you didn't see me because I
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: was the real girl.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you were the real girl who has the beginning
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: scene of like, what? Reading and then reading the newspaper like, wait,
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: that's us and everything?
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Well, I remember because I wrote it too with them. Yeah.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: And I remember they were like, this is, this is the,
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: they found you guys first.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Right. And then made the masks. I know. To match them. Yes. Yeah.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: And we had to wait for like a month up
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: in Vancouver because they were matching the like prosthetic pieces
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: and stuff.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Right. On their faces. And so wait, who played, were
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: you Marlon or Sean? I was Sean. That's what I thought. Yeah. Yeah.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm thinking of their faces.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I was Sean. Right. And, um. That was great.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: So you did that. That was fun. Yeah.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: So then where does it start to happen where you're
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: no longer or as pursuing regular Hollywood as much as
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: because you first started with like just tell the story.
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: So where are we making this transition?
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Hollywood like typecast me basically. And it's funny because I'm.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: And when I look back on everything, I was not
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: the star of Boy Meets World and I was not
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: the star of White Chicks. But it's a weird thing.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I was still typecast as that. So I wasn't like
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: given the celebration, I guess, as the star of the show.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: But I was also said you can't do anything else
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: because we've seen you in that. So it was very
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: much of a typecast situation. And I felt like more
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: and more when I was going out in Hollywood and
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: auditioning and stuff that I was like, wait, people don't
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: want to see me. They want to see me as
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: my character back then, but they don't want to see
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: me as well. So it's kind of like, they want
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: to just keep me in this box and set me aside.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: And was your representation, do you think that they were good? No,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I had terrible representation all along. But it wasn't... Did
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: you switch agents a lot? I switched a lot, yes,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: and I did. And then one time, my agency quit
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: on me, and I didn't even know it, and the
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: casting director told me about it. The casting director's like,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: your agency says they're not your agency anymore. And I'm like, what?
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: And I just talked to him before. Like I talked
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: to them the other day and I'm like, no, you
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: better talk to them again because they just, they gave
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: up on me.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: And when you would then say, wait, what's going on?
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Then what would they say?
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: No answer. It was crazy.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I've been dumped by agents. I know. And this is
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: how it goes for me. Okay. tickle, tickle. And it's like,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I'm the agent. Yeah.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: You're Heather.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. Hey, Heather, how you doing? They're like, yeah,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: you're me. Just go. Yeah.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Hi.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: Hi.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I'm so excited to talk to you.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: God, these are the kind of conversations... I hate. We
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: just met with the other agents. I think you're so talented.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: I think you're funny.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I think you're a great writer. Really should be pursuing
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: that more.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: But, you know, we just don't feel like we can
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: do the job for you anymore.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: You got the call. I didn't get the call. Well,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I'm letting you know what the call is like. So
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: maybe it's better you didn't get the call. Maybe it's
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: better you didn't get the call.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: You're like, all right, okay.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: You know, but it is pretty disheartening because you're like,
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: but then as the agent, I'm always like, I almost
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: have more sympathy for them too because I'm like, they
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: only have so much time and for whatever reason they think,
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: and if they really think like, I'm not, I don't
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: believe in you anymore and I'm not picking up the phone,
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: you should try to find someone else who's hungrier.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: At least they told you that.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: But it's actually– it's true.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: It's like– and also it's.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: A cutthroat world. It's like they have to make money
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: and they have to like– Yeah. Especially like during pilot
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: season and everything when it's like everybody's like going out
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: for roles and stuff.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: You don't get it.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: Like whenever somebody like wins an Oscar and they're like,
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: and to Joe McMahon who's been there– Since I was 18.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I'm like, who has someone? Yes.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Who has had an agent since they're 18?
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: I'm like, well, then they do definitely deserve to be,
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: share that Oscar with.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: If Joe's been with them all the way. They deserve it.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what on earth?
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: So, okay. So you're getting a little disheartened. Yes.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I'm getting disheartened. And I kind of like separated myself. Well,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Hollywood separated itself from me, but I also was at
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: the time discovering myself. Like I was, I was like,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be that same girl that was, like,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: on Boy Meets World or auditioning for all those things.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: I wanted to, like, see who I was as a person. Actually,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I got married and moved to New York.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: And that kind of gave me a breath of fresh air,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I guess, because I was away from the Hollywood scene.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Because when you're in it, you're like, people are on
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: you all the time, you know. And you're just hearing it.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: You're just surrounded. This party's going on.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: This audition's going on. And you feel like you're in
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: competition all the time.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, especially, like, a pilot season. Oh, my God.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Pilot season is the worst.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: And then you go into the room and you see
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: all the girls and you're like, I know. Or you find,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I remember one time I went out for a pilot.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: It was called Townies. It never really made it.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Wait, I remember that name, though. What was it?
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you went out for it because they wanted
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: a redhead, a blonde, and a brunette. Probably. Kind of
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: like just, it was like when everybody was trying to
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: get their friends.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's right.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: It was all these 20-somethings, three girls living on their
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: own or whatever. And I remember I.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: Was just sitting there and I could hear the casting
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: director saying that it's like already been cast.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: That's the weirdest thing when that happens. And then they
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: put out the offers. And I'm like, well, why am I?
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: And I've like met with a coach and memorized everything.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, why am I sitting here? It's awful. Yeah.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: It's awful. Yeah.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: And Pilates is the worst because they're doing it so fast.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: And they're like people, you know, the agents are like
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: giving their clients like, oh, God, it's the worst.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: And so, okay, so in New York, are you pursuing
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: acting in New York or just taking a breather?
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: No, theater.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: I did a little theater and I did studying and
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. But I was actually really– I took
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: a time for myself where I started writing like erotic
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: fiction and stuff.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: And I started getting into writing because I love writing.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: That's like a real passion of mine.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Ever since I was young, but I kind of like
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: swept it aside until I was older. I don't know
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: why because I just did.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: But I started like, you know, doing– I was like, oh,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I'm– Discovering myself sexually. It was funny. By the time
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: that I came back to L.A., I took screenwriting for
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: two years at UCLA. And I was always writing these
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: kind of provocative scripts. Very funny scripts, though. Provocative, dark
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: comedy scripts. And it always had to do with some
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: woman who was this sexually frustrated dominatrix or something like that.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Who like, you know.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: But at this time you're not doing it. No, I'm
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: not doing anything.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: I'm just discovering myself. I'm just writing and I'm doing.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: And I actually didn't think I was going to go
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: back to Hollywood at all. I really didn't. I thought, well,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: I thought I would do it in the way that
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I would write something.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: And maybe I would star in it or maybe somebody
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: else would star in it. But I thought that was
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: the way to do it. But then Girl Meets World
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: comes around.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Which was the spinoff from Boy Meets World.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, like a whirlwind, attention came
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: at the cast.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: What are you doing now? Like everything, like social media
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: was like on fire.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: And what year is this?
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: I'd say this was about 2013, 14.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: You know, and I had just, you know, so I
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: was like, I had worked so hard to kind of
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: separate myself from my past. People say, oh, oh, you're
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: not grateful for your past or whatever. I totally am.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: But it's like going to college, like being in a
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: sorority and everything, you had the greatest time and you
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: love it. but you don't want to live there for
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: the rest of your life.
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: Right. Right.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: You know, can you go past that too and remember
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: the good times?
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: So that was kind of how I felt about it.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: And I still feel about it because I did love
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: doing it and I'm grateful for doing it. But, um,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: but now I want to like do my own thing and, and,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: and kind of expand beyond that. But there was so
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: much attention when Girl Meets World came around that I was,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: I was given a choice, not specifically by anybody, but
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: like myself, um, I could go back into, like, the
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: past and, like, really live in that character again.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Were they asking you to be in it? Yes and no.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in the beginning, absolutely. I was told I was
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: going to be in many episodes of Girl Meets World.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: But.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: So what was it going to be about?
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Well, it's about, like, Cory and Topanga, the stars of
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Boy Meets World, they're kids. So it's Girl Meets World,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: the daughter. She was meeting the world.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, got it.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: But, and they brought everybody back and everything. But when
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I started getting attention on social media, because I said,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to be my authentic self. I don't care.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: I mean I'm not going to be for Disney or
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: for anybody else. I'm just going to do things I
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: want to do for fun. And I started doing sexy
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: cosplay because I love doing that.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: And what is that? Just sexy costumes?
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Costumes, yes.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Like a photographer found me on a red carpet one
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: time that he gave me like an authentic slave Leia
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: costume from Princess Leia.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: When she was tied to Jabba the Hutt by chains. Yeah.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: And it was fun and I loved it. And it's
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: something that I just like to do.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: So I did a lot of that and I did
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: a lot of like.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: And so then your Instagram started to grow.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: It started to grow from people just being interested and like, wow,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: she's doing sexy pictures and she's doing, you know, bikinis
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: and all this. It wasn't porn at that point at all,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: but it was just like, you know, kind of racy stuff.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Well, Disney and Michael Jacobs, the executive producer, were not
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: happy with this, and they did not want me representing
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: the show like this.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Even though it was just bikinis and cosplay.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So that became.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: It became a problem. But still, at the same time,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I was wanting to grow away from the character of
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Rachel from Boy Meets World. So I was like, I
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: want to be myself. I want people to like me.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: My following was growing, not just from Boy Meets World followers,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: but people who liked me from my cosplay and stuff.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: I remember at Comic-Con in San Diego one year back then.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: I remember the first time somebody came up to me
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: and said, I'm such a fan of yours. And I
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, Boy Meets World.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: Did you go as like a star to the Comic Con?
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't. You just went as like a nerd? Yes. Oh, okay.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: And they came up to me and I was like.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: You were just like walking around like any other person? Okay.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, no, I did some appearances at Comic Cons
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: that were like celebrity, I guess.
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: But like I really loved walking around as a nerd.
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: And this guy came up to me and was like,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: I am your fan. And I was like, oh, Boy
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Meets World.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: And he's like, I love you on Snapchat. And I
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: was like, that was the first time. I'm like, wait
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: a minute. There's a big audience on Snapchat. But, no,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I really do. I don't like sitting at a Comic-Con and, like,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I'm not the kind of person who's going to charge
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: you for selfies. I don't ever do that. I don't
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: like sitting in a booth and just signing. I'm like,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: I like to walk around. If you come up to me,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I'll take a selfie with you. I'll sign your stuff.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. I just love the experience of the
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Comic-Con and everything.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Okay, so now you're like, oh, like this is kind
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: of great. I'm kind of growing this following.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: So you're spending time on social media posting stuff.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just sexy stuff. Okay, so then what's next?
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: It's interesting because I did a shoot for International Kiss
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: a Ginger Day.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Okay. It is a holiday. Because you're a gorgeous redhead.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: It's my holiday. And you're a natural redhead.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: I'm not a natural redhead.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: You're not a natural redhead.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Actually, well, I'm a blonde, but kind of a golden
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: strawberry blonde.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, I enhance it over the years.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good. Yeah.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: But International Kiss of Ginger Day is like some, you know,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: day in January that we, like, have fun. And, you know,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: I like to celebrate it every year. But I was
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: looking for somebody to do a cute little kissy shoot with.
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: And a friend of mine who was a producer knew
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: a lesbian porn star. This was back in 2015. But
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: I think that was the year. 14 or 15. But
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: who knew a lesbian porn star named Ella Alexandra.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: And she was cute.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Adorable little redhead. And she, like, loved Boy Meets World.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: And she was like, I'll do the Kiss of Ginger
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Day thing. And we did it. And we were like, oh,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: we did our cute little pillow fight, like, little, you know,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: slumber party shoot. And then at the end, we got naked.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: We got totally naked at the end and did these, like,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: scandalous shoots that never saw the light of day until
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: years later. And I remember at the end of the shoot,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: she was like, you're going to do something in the
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: adult industry. And I was like, oh, I don't know.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: I was just having fun.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: But she was right. So years later.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Now, wait. Okay. So now, have you been with women
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: at this point?
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I had been with women in my personal life. And
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: did you and your husband have.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: like a more of a non-traditional sexual relationship where like
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: you include other people?
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Not at once. Like he's very open to me having
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: women in my life like because I need that kind
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: of and he was very open to me exploring that
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: side of myself with women. He has no issues with
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: that and like when When I started filming with women
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: and stuff, it was no big of a, it wasn't
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: a big deal at all. But we don't have a
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: traditional open relationship or anything.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: But like you never had a girlfriend that like, you're like,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I'm going to see my girlfriend Jenny tonight. Yeah, kind of.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: You would. And then you would have sex with Jenny
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: and come back the next day and it's fine. Yeah.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: As long as it wasn't going to replace my marriage.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Like it wasn't like a serious relationship to replace my marriage.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: But that never made him nervous?
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: No. Girls never made him nervous. Never, ever, ever.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Even though I had a few girls that were like
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: bitches that could have made him nervous, but no.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: And then would those girlfriends ever join you as a threesome?
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: No.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: So he never stopped.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: He's monogamous.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: He's monogamous to you. Okay. Well, this sounds like the
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: perfect situation. Yeah, it is. I know. It's the perfect situation.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: But honestly, though, except for girls, like, with guys, I'm
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: not out there dating guys or anything.
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Like, I just do it on screen for that.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, so let's get to that. Okay. So now you're.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: Kind of like, okay, this is, so the first thing
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: sort of in stepping over the edge.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: The girls, yeah, stepping over the edge, but it was fun.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. So then what happens? Okay. Well, I.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Let's go back to like I was getting kicked off
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Instagram and Snapchat and all those things all the time.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: For being too sexy. Yes. Okay. For nothing.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Like my nipple was too hard in a shot or
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: something like that. So I was getting kicked off Instagram
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: all the time for like a shadow of a nipple
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: or whatever. And my fans were like, you need to
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: make content. And I was like, what is content? I
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: don't even know this. But I looked into it and
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: I started a Patreon page, which is basically people who
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: are patrons of you who will pay anywhere from, well,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: in my case, $ 15 to like $ 300 a month. And
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: I was like– one night I was like, oh, just
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: make a page. Let's see how it's going to go.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: And then I was like, you know, I don't know.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to announce it. It's embarrassing. Maybe they'll
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: give me $ 500 a month and put it to like
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: a photo shoot or something. And then the next morning
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: 20 people had signed up and I was like, wait
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: a minute. I didn't announce it yet. So I announced
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: it on my Twitter and all of a sudden like 2,800
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: people were like signed up for this.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, my God. They want to
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: see my new pictures. Like this is like a thing now.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: And it kind of evolved from there because in the
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: beginning I definitely am an exhibitionist at heart and I
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: discovered that about myself. And I like taking the Playboy
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: style pictures and the cosplay pictures and doing all that
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: nudie stuff. Yeah.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: And for those photos that you would supply for the Patreon,
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: that content, would you and your husband just take those
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: or would you always have like a professional photographer or
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: makeup artist or do you do it yourself?
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: It was mostly myself, although I.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Do have a photographer that I had met on the
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: red carpet who gave me that Slave Leia costume. He
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: is very involved in it, but my husband was, he's
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: such a good photographer. Honestly, he is. And he loves me,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: so he knows how to photograph. Like photograph me.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: So he was very involved in all of that at
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: the beginning. Like now when I do professional stuff, he's
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: not on set or anything.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Now at this point, like do your parents know that you.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: No.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Okay. They knew that.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: No, actually they were fine with me taking like Playboy
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: style photos.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: They knew that.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: But when I started to go, I was like, I
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: want to do sort of like girl, girl stuff. And
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: he loved me with girl. I mean, he was fine
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: with me with girls. And I was like, well, let's
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: try that. Let's bring the Girlfriend International Kissing Dinner Day back.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Remember her? Yeah. So we did a scene.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: We actually did a full, like, lesbian scene.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: And that was on Patreon. Yes. Okay.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: They did not know this, but.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Who did not know this? Patreon. Oh, because Patreon had...
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: That's like... Too sexy for Patreon? Yes. They can do nudes.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I have Patreon, but it's just all... You can do nudes.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Mine's just Juicy Scoop and audio, mostly.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Actually, now I've gone to OnlyFans.
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: So Patreon is basically my nudes again. But OnlyFans didn't
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: exist before. No, it wasn't a big deal enough. And
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: also I was kind of, I just started out on Patreon. So,
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: and then I became the number one adult creator and.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Adult meant like nudes and stuff. Okay.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: So I did that.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: And then I was like the girls and I brought
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Elle back and I brought, and I was like, Oh,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Elle knows other girls that maybe I won't work with.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: And so we did all that. But then it came
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: to a point where I was like, I had all
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: these sexual fantasies and things. My husband and I couldn't
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: fulfill with each other because it's, like, dungeons and, like,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: group sex and, like, all this crazy stuff that I
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: was thinking in my mind. Like, I really want to
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: try this. And then eventually one day he was like,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: I know you need to do this. Like, and he
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: was the one who said, you need to, like, we
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: need to, like, explore this. The idea of you doing
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: stuff with men that like we can't do together or whatever.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: And so we did.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: And it was crazy.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: And was the first time that you do that where
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: you're like, well, let's get the most out of it.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: Let's actually start filming it or did you do some
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: just privately?
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, we did not.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: My fans have seen everything on screen that I have
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: done except for, you know, not everything, but like along
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: this journey.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: So I never did anything off screen.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: So now at this point you have the OnlyFans.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't have OnlyFans.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're still doing Patreon. It was still Patreon. Yeah. Yeah.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: And they were like, we don't see anything. We're making
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: all this money a month off you.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Wink, wink.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: We don't see anything.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: They're going to cancel my account now.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Do you still have Patreon?
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: I do, but I don't use it for that way anymore.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, all right.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Pass that.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: So that you have Patreon and then you had got OnlyFit.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, man. My Patreon was on, it was like on
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: fire back then.
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: And the Reddit boards would be like trying to steal
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: my content all the time because I was– Right. Like
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: the first time I actually did a scene with a
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: guy– like I first did a blowjob.
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: With a wonderful guy. And so I tried that out.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to do the blowjob.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Like oral sex.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: And are you filming all this stuff like at your house?
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Or do you have like a studio now at this point? Oh, no.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Like a hotel room.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: And then I did another scene with a guy– and
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: they were both porn professionals who had been in the
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: business for over 10 years.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: And I happened upon them from my original, like, talking
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: to Elle, the lesbian porn star who introduced me to
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: somebody to somebody. And then, if I would not have
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: had such great experiences with these guys who were so professional,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: they taught me the ropes, they taught me.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: Now, what makes a professional porn star? Like, what, like,
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: you know, a professional actress or a makeup artist is
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: someone whose brushes are clean.
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: They're on.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: That's true of a porn star, too.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Their brushes are clean. Exactly.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: So, like, Let's say you're a makeup artist. It's like
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: your brushes are clean. Your stuff is laid out. They've
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: already looked at your photos from the red carpet.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: They show up.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: They're on time. They don't talk too much, but they
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: listen to you. They have fresh breath. They're in your face.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Fresh breath is important in porn, too.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: Okay, so what makes a professional porn star where maybe
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: someone is a porn star, but they're not as professional
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: as the most professional?
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: You know, I would say, like, when I was starting out,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: they were gentle with me. And I don't mean gentle
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: in the way of the sex. I mean, like, they
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: were like... are you ready to do this? Are you
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: ready to do that? Like they were kind of like
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: introducing me to the whole world.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Guiding you.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: And also they're very respectful. They don't try to cross lines.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Like I'm sure there's, I've heard that there's guys in porn,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: in any profession, in mainstream and whatever, who will try
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: to like cross lines or whatever. But like they are
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: always like, very professional about that like being very respectful
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: respectful is like and also they taught me the ropes
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: of how to like perform for a camera.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah because i'm thinking like you're having sex you're enjoying
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: it you're getting into it it's not just that you're
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: into it it's like you got to make sure that
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: like you it looks good you don't then then do
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: sets flip around and now you're not now his body's
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: covering you and we can't see anything.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: And in the beginning i didn't know any of that
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: and they were like here open up here i'll do
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: this and they would like open my leg and yeah
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: you know But yeah, and so that's very important. And
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: I learned so, I learned the ropes from them. And
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: I would not have had such a good experience without them.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: And they were good with my husband. We were like,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: it was wonderful.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: And so the first time the husband sees another dude
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: have full-blown sex with you.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: We thought it would be weird.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Okay. It wasn't.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: It was so natural. It was like, and I remember
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: at the end of the scene, the guy who had
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: sex with me, And.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: This was the first dick you had in you since
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: the husband?
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: So how many years had it been?
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, I had been married since 2006 and this
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: was probably 2018. So, wow. It wasn't the first vagina,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: but yeah, first dick.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Okay. And was that kind of crazy then? It was crazy,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: but I was like, it was so freeing.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: And the fact that my husband was there and watching
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: and he knew I needed this and he knew I
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: needed to explore myself as a sexual performer, it was
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: so great. And I remember asking that performer, uh, afterwards, like,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: what do you remember about this? And he's like, I
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: remember you weren't nervous and I thought you would be
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: so nervous. And I wasn't, I just went crazy. Like,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: I just like, it felt like such a liberating time
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: for me. And again, cause he was professional and he
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: was like, he was very respectful of me and like
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: my husband and they, you know, so it was, it
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: was much easier in that way. But still I found
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: myself as a performer. I was like, I loved performing.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: And, okay, so now how old are you at that point?
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: 40?
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, that's kind of interesting, too. No, listen
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: to me. That, like, that you're killing it at not 22.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: And this was not when I started winning awards and everything.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: This was when I just started, like, exploring, like, porn
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: and everything.
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: And I, like, worked for, like, a year and a
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: half before I actually got into the professional, like, studio
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: realm of it, like.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Where you're... And then how did you, like... Oh man,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: back in the day, it was the vivid, the girls,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: the contracts and all that stuff. And you know, and
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: now with the world of, which I think is so
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: great for people in the sex industry is that they
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: can have so much more control over their content, filming
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: what they want to do, whether they never want to
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: be with someone else, you know, but they, um, but
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: you know, back in the day when the Valley was
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: known as the porn capital of the world and the
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Boogie Nights movie and like, And even in the height
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: of the.
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: 90s where you'd see these girls walking in coffee with
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: their 90s big, hard, big boobs.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Those big boobs. Oh, my God.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: I don't even know how they did it. It was
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: like balloons.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Yes. And so it's like, and then, oh, God, did
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: you ever watch those documentaries? I've seen some.
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: After porn ends and all that on Showtime. It's like
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: kind of crazy because it coincides with like. the real
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: estate crash of like 2008. So like there was before
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: the porn and then there's after the porn and then
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: some of the, the girls left porn to be real
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: estate brokers, but then the market crashed.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: And then they went back to porn.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: But that was all before, like, OnlyFans and technology and webcamming.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: And so the only way you could really make the
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: money as a performer is, like, to be in the movies.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: So then since you could kind of do this yourself,
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: then what made you go, I'm going to go to
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: the next level of actually higher production movies and stuff?
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I never, ever had to go to a studio production.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: I could make tons of money just doing my own, like, stuff.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: But there was a point where I was like, I
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: want to do something big and professional. And I always
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: had the dream of doing something that was like well
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: scripted and directed and I could act in it again.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Like I really wanted to act in a porn film
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: and like have hot sex, but also have good acting
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: and directing and everything. And it really just happened that
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Vixen called me to do a scene for Blacked, for
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: one of their brands, Blacked. And I was kind of
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: nervous about it, but I was like, I don't know.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: They do such high quality productions. Like they're one, they're
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: the most high quality of all the business, like of
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: what they do. Um, and so I was like, okay,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: you know, let me do this. And when I did it,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: it was such a good experience that I had a
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: script and I was acting again, even though it was
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: a small script, it was still like, like I felt,
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: I felt like I was really like doing a high
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: quality production and stuff, but that's not the thing that
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: got me going. I mean, it did get me going,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: but The Saturday that my blacked scene was released, I
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: didn't mention it to the press or anything, but it
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: became like this viral moment on the internet.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Because of your past.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Because of my past. But I didn't mention it to
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: the press. Yeah. So it broke the internet. I mean
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: it broke– let's just say it broke black's internet because
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: the website crashed and stuff. And so it was going crazy.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: But Caden Cross, who was a contract star back in
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: the 2000s and 2010s and all that, who was super
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: famous as a porn star– And she started a brand
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: with Vixen called Deeper.com. She had just started it four
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: months before I did my black scene. And it's all
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: under the same umbrella of Vixen. So she was doing
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: her first feature film, which is a full scripted film.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: And that was her dream too, to do.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: A full– So it's– how long is this? Like an
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: hour and a half? 75– oh, yeah.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Well– With the sex scenes, I think it's like four hours.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Because they're like 40 minutes each. But if you were
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: just doing the actual acting stuff. But she was starting
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: to film it. On the Saturday, my scene was released.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: And the girl in the scene had some issues and
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: had to drop out, let's just say. And she didn't
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: think she was going to be able to do the scene.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Because she was on a deadline. She didn't think she
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: was going to do the feature. And so she went
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: to Vixen that Monday. and said, I don't think I
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: can do this. I can't find somebody who can do
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: a lot of dialogue and a big feature film that
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: she was trying to accomplish in this short of time,
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: because I think we only had a month to go.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: And they were like, talk to Maitland.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: She acts.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: And she's like, Maitland, what? And she actually was a
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Boy Meets World fan, but she didn't realize who I was.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yeah.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: And so we met that Monday, two days after that scene,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: at a Starbucks, and I read her script, and I
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: was like, wait a minute, this is like a full film.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: This is a full feature, like an independent film or something.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Like this is exactly what I've been wanting. And we
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: met and we talked and we started filming and the
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: rest is history. And that is the one that I
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: announced to the press and that beat Bernie Sanders' heart
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: attack on Google searches the day that it came out.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: So– Yeah.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: That I– Rachel does porn.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Okay. So now at this point, do the parents know?
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: The parents found out from News– what was it? New
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: York Post?
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: No.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: One of those.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: That wrote about it because it's like, boy meets world star.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: And my dad calls up and he's like, wait a minute,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: what is this?
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: And at this point, did they know you were doing,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: they only thought you were doing, like, sexy photos? Yes.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: It was all very secretive. Like, it was all, not secretive.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Now, at this point, you're making a lot of money.
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Before I did anything in porn, I could have, like,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: made money and been secret and did all that for
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: the rest of my life or whatever.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: Doing the the sexy stuff that you're doing just by
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: yourself yeah you guys are making good money yes so
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: are is anyone around you noticing that like yeah they're
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: kind of rolling.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: In it well my friends and stuff yeah there would
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: be people but like yeah definitely there was my friends
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: and stuff who would like see you like what is
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: she doing at first everybody thought oh she on drugs
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: is she crazy is she all this but then it
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: was like wait a minute she's making good money and
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: she's successful at this and she's getting more respect than
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: she ever has and like She's getting now acting roles
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: and stuff.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: So, yeah. But then my parents, my dad found out.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: But I have to say, my parents have been super
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: supportive of me.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm 45 years old now.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Do you have any siblings?
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: No, I'm an only child. Okay. So I think that
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: helps a little bit. I didn't have any siblings.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: And do you guys have any kids? No.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Two dogs.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: That's nice. So... Okay, so, like, so you got the awards.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: You go to, like, the AVNs or something? I know.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: I didn't even think I would be nominated, and then
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: I won. Like, I've won so many. I've won, I think,
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: as many awards as I've been in scenes. Like, I
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: was like, do I have the best ratio of all
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: the awards? Because I think I've won, like, 13 or
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: so awards, and I've been like, okay, I've been, like,
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: at 20 scenes. And I mean, everybody thinks, you know
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: what's funny? Will Friedle from Boy Meets World was calling
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: me up, and he's so sweet about everything, but he's like,
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: I won't watch anything you do because you're my little sister,
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: but he's like, do you do like two scenes a day?
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: And I was like, two scenes a day?
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: I do 10 a year. You do 10 scenes a year. Yeah.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, like I do big features. Yeah.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: I do the big deals.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Right. So you're not boning three different guys. No, no, no.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: In three different movies in a day.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: I do the big feature.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Like, I think people have the vision of like, That's
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: what he was thinking. Like a hot day in the
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: valley and you're just like driving. That's what he asked me.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: And you're like wiping your crotch out with like a
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: wipe in between scenes.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: Although I have to say the weirdest thing in a
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: scene is when he's fucking you. Can I say fuck ass?
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: And the guy comes in and pours lube on his dick.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: And like the AD.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's someone's job.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's someone's job. And he's like very serious about it.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: And it's like, oh, hi, guys.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: You know what that reminds me of? It's like, you
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: know when you'd be doing, like, a regular show, like
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: a sitcom or an NBC? And then they'd be like,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: let's start or something. And then they'd say, we need
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: the cup a little to the left. And then you'd
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: move it to the left. And they'd be like, stop. Yes.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Bring the prop master out. Yes. Because of the union.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: So then they'd be like, okay. Like, you can't move it. Yeah. So, like,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: if you were like, I can do that. They're like, nope.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: The lube master is so disinterested in anything that's happening
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: in the scene.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: No, he's just making sure that there's enough lube for you. Yeah.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: It's his job. And he's also the one who sprays
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: spunk on your face because, you know, guys in pictures,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: they will never do real, like, ejaculation.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, they won't?
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: Why?
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Well, because they do it for the scene. So they
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: can't do it twice. So we have to do a
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: scene thing and also, like, pictures.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, photos. Yeah.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: So he does it real for the scene, but you
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: can't make him do it twice. So they get spunk
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: lube or Cetaphil.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Did you know Cetaphil is the secret spunk ingredient in porn?
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: That is what is all over your face on those pictures.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: You know, have you watched it? Like, have you... Like, honestly,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: I'm very interested in porn and I, like, never watch that.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: I love that. I never watch it. You need to
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: watch mine. No, no, no. You need to watch mine.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Because it is scripted. It's not stupid.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: It's not Brazzers where they're like, ooh, pizza guy's coming.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: I've always just been, like, super fascinated.
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: Like, there used to be this, like, public access show
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: back when I was, like, in my 20s.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: I know what you're talking about.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: And it was, like, a talk show but with porn stars. Yes.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: What was that?
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I would watch it. And I
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: was fascinated by hearing these girls stories.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: I remember that.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: And so like, I knew them. Yeah.
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: I still like never really watched it. I was just
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: kind of fascinated how they got into it, how they
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: were like the happy porn star and how, cause it
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: was always like the stories of, um, Oh my God,
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: this is so sad how this girl got like sucked
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: into porn.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: I hate those stories.
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: And then there were everybody that I ever met or interviewed,
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: you know, had a very different, uh, take on it.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: And like I interviewed this one, um, Porn star. Oh
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: my God. I feel bad.
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: Her name's like escaping me, but she came on the
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: show because I heard her in the podcast about Tracy Lords.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Yeah.
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: And, um, and she, and I, and I remember like
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: seeing her because she was always on, like she did
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: like vivid radio and.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: She had a Jesse James.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: No, no, but I know Jesse James is like, anyway,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: I feel bad that she's going to probably be mad
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: because I think she probably listens and I'm sorry. Mary
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Carrie at all. No, but I've interviewed Mary Carey, too.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: I know Mary Carey. I know her very well. Before porn,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: I know her.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: I interviewed Mary Carey, too. who I, you know... She's funny. Yeah,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: she's funny. She's good. So I'm always just, like, kind
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: of interested of just, like, you know, just talking about
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: it so openly and being like, look, I like sex.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: I like people watching me on set. I like people
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: watching me at home. Like, I'm good. And how many...
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: People are able to have, like, you know, the monogamous
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: marriage at home.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: But, like, this is the work and this is the that.
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: And so I've always been, like, just really fascinated by it.
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: And I remember one time in the 90s, I was, like,
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: hanging out. You know, this is, like, my comedy, like,
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: Growling's Days. And someone invited me to some porn award.
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: It wasn't the Vegas one. They used to have one
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: in the Valley.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: In L.A. or somewhere.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Or, like, Studio City or something. Or, no, no, Universal
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: City Walk.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Did they do that? I don't know, but I went
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: to it. Okay. Okay. And I wore just like a
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: cute black dress.
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: And there's these, and I did think that it was like,
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: I didn't know what to expect, right? There's these guys
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: like with these big carats.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: It's a long time. No one has iPhones, you know?
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: And I just remember they were like, can we get
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: a picture with you? And I was like, I think
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: they think I'm a porn star. Like I was like
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: a little bit like, no, but I was like, yes.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Like I was kind of like, oh my God.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: So then I'm just like, but I was just like
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: kind of fascinated at like the scene. And I was
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: just like, let me just observe the way I observe
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: everything else in my life.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Like I'm just curious. And yeah.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: And then with, so with, with this one person, you know,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: I interviewed like she, you know, has a whole like,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: you know, separate life that she protects.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Like, you know. Oh, a lot of, yeah, most people do.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: and like, but then there'll be moments.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: In her life where someone will be like, because she
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: doesn't really do, she's not, now she does stuff on OnlyFans,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: but she is older. So, but there'd be people that
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: would remember from like, I mean, she was really like,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: a big deal. Okay, so let's talk about like the money. Because,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: because I, Um, how does the money work today? Um,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: as far as like what people make, cause it back
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: in the day, it used to be, you got paid
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: per scene and this was your quote, but obviously there
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: wasn't a union where you'd get residuals or.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Whatever, but a lot of TV. Now you don't get
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: residuals either. Cause it's reality streaming and all that. Yeah.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: It's like reality shows and stuff. So it's like, how
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: does it work or backend? I believe I have no
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: pun intended.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: I believe I have the top salary in the business
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: per scene.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, But I make six figures a
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: month on OnlyFans.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Great.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: And then I also have a Fleshlight, which is the
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: mold of my vagina and asshole.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: Great.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, and asshole.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: And it's tight chicks and a toy meets world. So
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: you can go and buy them.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: Really? Yes. I'm not joking.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not joking.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Now, they didn't come after you for using the name
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: or anything? No. No.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: Because Toy Meets World, they can't really come up with it.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, Toy Meets World. Toy Meets World. Oh, I thought
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: you said Toy Meets Girl. I was like, they can't
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: really say anything. Oh, Toy Meets World, that's very clever.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: I didn't come up with it.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: The Fleshlight people came up with it.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Well, they were smart to do that.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: They were very smart.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: I liked that.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: And when they came to me with that, I was like,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: that's really cute.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, they couldn't come after me for that. But, yeah, so,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, I have a lot of different, like, streams
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: of income that are from porn. It's amazing to me.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: If you would have said that a Disney star who was, like,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: not the star.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Of the show.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: But, like, did well and had success.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, worked.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But became a top porn star, award-winning with money, like,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: making money, and.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: Became a writer. Like, my dream. Because of porn. I became.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: So you write some of the movies.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do write some of the stuff. Yeah, I
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: have a couple scenes that I write. But on my book.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: Like, it's like... And you write. You wrote the book. Yeah. True,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: of course.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know a lot of actors come on
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: and say they write their books.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: It's like... They're ghostwritten mostly.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: You know? And I respect you because you're a writer.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But I also don't blame someone. You got a
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: juicy story and you don't want to do it. Go
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: to a hotel room. Lay on the couch. Let some
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: chick type away. Yeah. And then put your side. I
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: did every word of that book. Yeah. If it's not
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: your thing. But when you're a writer and you like it.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: But I was so excited. Yeah. You can really enjoy it.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: And it's fun to like go back and tweak it.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: But it was so weird to go back. I mean,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: I know you've written stuff.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Isn't it weird to go back?
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: And read it? And, no, talk about your life in
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: the past.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: To, like, examine yourself, I guess.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, my books both came out before I ever
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: started doing this podcast.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. So, yeah.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: And so people were like, would you write another book?
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: Would you?
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: And now I... Honestly.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: I do so much content and share so much about
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: my life on here and my Patreon as well.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: My Patreon is like the more personal family. Right, right, right.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Relationship friend.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: That's kind of how my Patreon is now.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Or a little bit deeper. Yeah.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: Even if I want to, you know, I'll kind of
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: reflect on the shows that I did this week, but
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: then I'll go a little deeper on something that. I
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: know is just safer with a smaller audience type of
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: a thing. And I know that they're my real fans
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: that are like, not out to like, you know.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: You said the wrong word and now we're going to,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: you know, call all your sponsors.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: To make sure that you never make it all like, no. So, um,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: so I, I mean, I think that, that, that is
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: all great. The Patreon, the only fans, the whole thing.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: Um, but yeah, I think, uh, but with writing a book,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: like it is so much work and it's just like,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: I'm not in that mode anymore. When I wrote the
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: books I was writing at Chelsea lately. So I was like,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: I was very into like getting on there and typing
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: it in that mode.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: And now my mode is this and creating these shows
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: and stuff. So I'm not sure. I've written two.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: So I'm never going to say never, never. But, um,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: for me, like, I mean, you only have so much information.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: You know what's so funny?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: They have this Boy Meets World podcast now.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: Have you seen that?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: No, but it's called Pod Meets World. Yeah.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: And Will, actually, from the show, he's sweet. He calls
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: me up and he wants me to be on it
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: and stuff, and he's very sweet.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: But I'm thinking, like, Danielle on the show, she, like,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: is giving all this information out, like, these sound bites
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: and everything. And I'm like, she wrote a book years ago.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Why didn't she put it in the book? Because it's like, what? Like,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: is this– why is it coming out now? Yeah.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: Well, it's like a Meghan Markle who, like, saved her
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: juice for the pod. Yeah. It's like, whoa, okay. That's
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: what I say when people walk in. I'm like, save
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: it for the pod.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Save it for the pod.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: So, hey, you know what? You said that when I
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: walked in. Yes.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: I said I was such a fan of yours because
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: I love, like, a beautiful, smart, funny woman. Oh, thank you.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: No, I love that.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: I love, I respect that so much.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, who knows? You know, everyone
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: is doing their thing.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: We weren't free in the past, though. I think in
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: the past it was a little, like, we were a
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: little more nervous to say things. Like, now that we
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: have more freedom.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: More freedom.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: And she also probably feels like, you know, like I
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: said about certain things, like, you're still hoping to get
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: called back to do that.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Job or whatever. And now she feels like it really
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: wouldn't matter. It doesn't matter anymore.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: And if I do something in this field, it's like
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: this one producer isn't going to be the one that
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: can say yes or no to me the way they
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: had so much more power back in the day.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: Like where you like I even brought this up the
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: other day on my show where I'm like, you know,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: with Brittany.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: I get her.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: Reflecting. And I'm like, even people that have not been like. Seriously,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: as abused as she. Right. You can look back on
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: a job like you did.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Or, you know, and be like, what the fuck? That's
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: what I did. I know.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: What was that?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: And why? And like, you can sometimes even be a
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: little bit mad at yourself.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: And you shouldn't be because you were younger. But you're like,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: why the hell was I not like. Yeah. The photographer,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: you know, the wardrobe girl can take a photo of me.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: I don't need to.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: That's what I felt. Wear a pair of heels and strut. Yeah.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: Into a room and turn around and then have them
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: tell me something and then I have to laugh.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Imagine you standing there. Yes. They say something so
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: that your tits are bouncing. Yes. And you're like 21
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: and you're like, one's cross services. Yes, exactly.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't like they sexually.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: Assaulted me or anything.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: It was more like I was the butt of a
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: joke all the time. Yes.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: Like I was the butt of some boy's locker room joke. Yeah.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: That's what it was. And like all the scripts that
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: I was in and stuff. It's like I had a
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: food fight where I had to rub marinara sauce on Will.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: It wasn't Will's fault, Will Friedle's face. He was just
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: the actor in it. But somebody in the office had
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: a food foot fetish.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: Like, I'm serious. Oh, well, have you, like, you obviously
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: know about all the Dan Schneider stuff. Oh, a little bit, yeah.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: A little bit, yeah.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I love that that's coming out. I know,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: it's like crazy. Even with Jeanette McCurdy's book. Yes, she
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: did a great book, yeah. She turned down $ 300, 000. They
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: wanted to give her $ 300, 000.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: To sign something when the show ended that she would
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: never talk about Nickelodeon or Dan Schneider. So in the book,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: she calls him the creator.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: And I believe she's not holding back. I believe her
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: story is her story. Whether he did worse stuff to
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: other people, that's those people to tell. Probably.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: Who knows how many people accepted the $ 300 that had
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: worse stuff happen to them or whatever they offered them.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: And she even said, God, at one point, I was like,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: what was I thinking? And I mean, her book's a
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: hit and it's really interesting because it's like, you know,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: it's that whole child star thing. And it's crazy because
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: it's like, I'm like, we still do need, like, kids
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: to act.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, if you're in a movie, like, it's
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: not like nobody, we still, like, you're doing a thing
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: and there's a mom and she has a six-year-old who she,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: you know, is eating a peanut butter jelly sandwich. Like,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: we still need kids to act. It's not all horrific.
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  Speaker 2: I think now, though, it's a little better because people
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: are keeping a watch on things like that.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: Right, of course, yeah.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: Back then, they were just like, whatever. Like, you know?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm so excited. Congratulations. This is, I'm definitely going
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: to read it.
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  Speaker 1: And.
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  Speaker 4: Tell everybody where they can get more of us and
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: obviously order the book and all that.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, they can order Rated X anywhere, like Amazon,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: Barnes & Noble, anywhere books are really sold. And it's
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: coming out next Tuesday. Oh, it's coming out.
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  Speaker 1: Now, September 6th. We taped this a little earlier.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: No, but it's September 6th and you can see it there.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: And Maitland Ward is my handle on everything.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, guys, I actually didn't end the show. I had
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: actually more questions, and they are even more graphic, definitely dirtier.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: So if you want to hear it, fair warning, stay
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: and keep listening. And again, I wouldn't have it blaring
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: through your car. Here we go.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and what would you tell, like, someone who is
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: a young girl that like, or not young, or just
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: someone that like is, is like, you know what, this
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: is what I want to do. And I mean, is
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: there ever a point where you're like, I'm going to
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: stop doing this?
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: Like you have a date or anything? No. And it's not,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: you know what?
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: I want to tell everybody, and this is really why
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: I wrote the book too. It's not about me doing porn.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the shock factor or whatever. Cause I
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: did something so more salacious than most.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: People would do.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: But if somebody is telling, you know, like I've been
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: told like in the past, You cannot be sexy. No
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: one will pay a dime for you being sexy.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: Who said that?
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: My publicist at the time. And he was trying to
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: be helpful if he was.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: This is when you were still doing mainstream acting.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, but it was around the time when Girl Meets
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: World was coming out and stuff. And he was like,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: don't put up the sexy pictures. If they wanted somebody sexy,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: they'd choose somebody 25. And so– and I was getting
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: to be late 30s or whatever. And I was like–
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: so– But then at that time I was like– I
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: was old enough and I guess smart enough to think, no,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be my own self. And I think
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: that's true for anyone, especially women. They need to go
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: out and forge their own paths. If people are telling
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: you no, they don't want you to succeed. They don't
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: want you to make your own path and stuff. So
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: I really think it doesn't have to be porn. It
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: could be you want to be an artist or like
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: a gardener or whatever you want to be, like a chef.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: But if it's something that's passionate– to you.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: You had such a positive experience because I think you
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: were older because you worked in the business because you
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: took kind of a, honestly, like a kind of cool
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: step word into it with the Instagram and the Patreon
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: and the OnlyFans and then the full, you know, stuff. Like,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: is there anything that you, that you would say, don't
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: do this or do this or what I would tell
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: someone or to be careful or like any kind of advice,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: like someone that is thinking I think I'm going to
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: make my or yeah like get into porn or get
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: into this field like.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: I think OnlyFans is a great way to do it
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: because it's your own stuff you're not being controlled by
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: anybody else you're doing your own content and stuff yeah
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: but it is important to like if you don't have
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: any following or anything you like mainstream porn is something
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: that you would want to.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: Do like just but Like, if you have no following, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: So I was wondering that.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: I came into it from a different way. Everyone's starting, like,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: an OnlyFans, and I get that, but I'm like, well,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: if you're just like some.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: They're kind of.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: Peeling off now, though.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: What's peeling?
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: The ones that just came in like a nurse or
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: something or, like, you know, who wasn't really serious about it, but.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: In the pandemic, they were like... Right.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Because it is a job, and you have to be
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: really serious.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: It's like podcasting. Yes, exactly.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: There's so many podcasts, and then people peel off because
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: they're like, it's too hard.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: I can't do it. Right, yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: So it's like that.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: It's got longevity in it. It's very difficult.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: But I would say that.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: Definitely listen to yourself. Know your boundaries and know your limits.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: And I think that's true for acting, for any actress
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: coming into the field.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, in the porn, this is the end of
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: the show, is there something that you won't do or
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: that you were like, I never thought I would do this?
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, I never knew I'd be so good at anal.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: Okay. No, honestly. Had you done anal like in your
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: private life?
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: But not in the massive dicks that I later had. Okay.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: So I have a whole chapter in my book about anal,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: about anal cleaning out and all that.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: But I've discovered.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: That I'm easily cleaned out and I took it all
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: right away.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: I thought right away I'd be like, oh, my God,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: this massive dick. I'm going to have to wait for
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: like to warm up. And it was like it went
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: all the way right away.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Am I surprising you with this, Heather? And you
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: love that. No, I do.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: No, I was impressed with myself.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: And you know what?
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: I found myself in porn along the way being impressed
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: with myself. Like the first time I did a blowjob,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay. On my content with my husband,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: like filming it and everything. And I wanted to like
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: tiptoe into it. So I did a billow job with
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: a big dick. Uh, I was like, I was like, wow,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: I'm good at this. I'm slobbering all over this thing.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: And then, and then what about, I'm impressed with my husband.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: And then what about like, um, do you do multiple
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: guys at the same time? Absolutely.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: I've done an orgy at three 30 in the morning.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: I'm like, On deeper.com.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: So there's really nothing. With snakes.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: With snakes.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Real snakes. Well, we. Snakes are in you?
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no. They were crawling over
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: us at one point and then they left the vicinity.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: We didn't do anything with the snakes.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: So you have surprised yourself.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: I have surprised myself.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: And so is there anything you won't do that other
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: people are doing on film?
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: There's very little. Because beforehand, scenes, people will talk about it.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: They're like, what is your nose? What are your yeses?
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: What do you not want?
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I really have very few no's. I mean,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: maybe if I was doing some very hardcore BDSM scene,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: I would like, I don't know. But I'm kind of
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: open to a lot. And I've surprised myself with that.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: Like I just did a DP.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a double penetration. I did two.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: I actually did two.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: So that means one is in your mouth and one
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: is in your vagina. No, one's in my vagina and
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: one's in my asshole. Oh, and they're attached to two guys.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, of course.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: Well, I didn't know.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: No, you could do a double penetration with like toys
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: or something. But yes, it was two guys.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: And that was the first time you'd ever done that?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, it was because it's very hard to find guys
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: in real life I was too nervous in my past.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: That won another guy in the scene?
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: Because they get very like, I don't know, like they
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: have their own.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: Issues with it.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: I think it's like a, it's like gay light or something.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: They have their own issues with it. So it's hard
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: to find two guys that will want to do it
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: in the same scene like that.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: It's easier in porn, but in real life it's like,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. And do the guys still not get paid
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: very much?
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: They get paid less than the women. Yes.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: It's the only industry. I know.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: When I came in, I was like, wait a minute.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: Women get paid more. The women directors are winning all
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: the prizes, like all the awards. It's like, yeah, it's
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: the only industry. Well, you've learned a lot.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: I've learned a lot, and I really appreciate you answering
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: the questions. And, yeah, everybody get the book, follow her,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: figure it out. Figure it out.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: Have fun in your room, your own room with her
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: by yourself or– Make a business out of it.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: Do your thing. Do it. Do your thing. Who cares?
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Just be happy. Yes. That's my theme. Awesome. Thank you.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 6: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 6: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 6: before bed. Or two.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 6: Nobody's watching.
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