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Credlin | 6 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kranblad live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Great to have your company. It'll be a
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Speaker 2: big week this week. Parliament is back tomorrow, holiday of
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Speaker 2: course in Canberra today. Let's get into the issues tonight.
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Speaker 2: More headaches for the coalition with the resumption tomorrow, of course,
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Speaker 2: as I've mentioned, and through hasty now go on from
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Speaker 2: the front bench. More games of foot as the Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party fights for survival for its very soul.
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Speaker 3: We'll get into that in a moment.
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Speaker 2: And while Susan Lee presides over another news pulse shocker today,
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Speaker 2: let's not gross over the strong result here for one
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Speaker 2: nation as more evidence that the Liberal Party's conservative base
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Speaker 2: is walking Chris Yelman with more class jars. When you
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Speaker 2: thought the crime stats in Victoria couldn't get any worse,
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Speaker 2: we learned today there's a sex crime committed in the
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Speaker 2: state every thirty minutes. And there's now serious concerns too
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Speaker 2: for a group of so called Isis bribes who smuggled
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Speaker 2: themselves out of Syria along with children and have returned
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Speaker 2: to Australia, denying this was happening not so long ago.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister now says nothing to see here later
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Speaker 2: the show, we'll speak to a former Federal police officer
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Speaker 2: to assess just how real the risks.
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Speaker 4: Are Australian citizens are eligible to obviously Australian citizens brings
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Speaker 4: with it rights. Well, of course, I have confidence in
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Speaker 4: our authorities and our agencies, our security agencies to undertake
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Speaker 4: their work. And that's my position.
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Speaker 2: As I said, didn't know anything about it, so he said,
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Speaker 2: now he's all over it and we're safe.
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Speaker 3: We'll get to get back.
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Speaker 2: To that with the AFP in a moment, but first,
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Speaker 2: talking about yourselves is no way to succeed in politics.
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Speaker 2: And yet that's about all the Coalition has done since
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Speaker 2: the election. Is it any wonder that the latest News
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Speaker 2: poll out today has the Coalition behind a massive fifty
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Speaker 2: seven even to forty three percent on two party preferred.
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Speaker 2: Worse still, it's got Anthony Albanezi at near record levels
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Speaker 2: as preferred Prime minister, and One Nation at eleven percent,
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Speaker 2: saw into its best share of the vote since twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 2: I'm not surprised by these numbers, and I doubt you're
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Speaker 2: surprised either. Why would anyone vote for a liberal National coalition?
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Speaker 2: The claims to be critical of the labor government, but
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Speaker 2: is only marginally different on policy. Labor light liberals lose,
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Speaker 2: That's the truth of it. When no amount of liberal
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Speaker 2: spin today can wash that away. That's why the Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party vote is so low, and that's why one nation
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Speaker 2: are edging up with every poll because voters want a
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Speaker 2: contest and they're not getting it from the Liberal opposition
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Speaker 2: are they They can't decide where they stand on key
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Speaker 2: issues like energy or mass migration. That's the basic dynamic
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Speaker 2: behind Andrew Hasty's resignation from Susan Lee's front bench last
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Speaker 2: week and today's reported leaking against Hasty in the Channel
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Speaker 2: nine newspapers. The claim unsourced, of course it's unsourced, is
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Speaker 2: that former leader Peter Dutton, in a submission to the
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Speaker 2: Liberals Election Review, has blamed Hasty for the defeat supposedly
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Speaker 2: because Hasty didn't do enough work on the party's defense policy.
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Speaker 2: As if if, and it's a big if if Darton
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Speaker 2: really did make that claim as a former defense minister
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Speaker 2: himself and the party leader. Ultimately, any policy deficiency was
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Speaker 2: Dutton's to sort out a leader. In the end, the
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Speaker 2: buck stops with you.
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Speaker 3: In a campaign.
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Speaker 2: But rather than accurately reflect what Dutton has said, this
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Speaker 2: looks to me to be a factional hatchet job designed
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Speaker 2: not only to discredit Hasty, but to turn more conservative
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Speaker 2: Liberals against each other and stave off any challenge to
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Speaker 2: lease leadership, a challenge that is coming. Make no mistake,
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Speaker 2: it's just the timing of the challenge that people on
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Speaker 2: all sides are trying to engineer, hence the games today
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Speaker 2: to discredit Hasties so that the Moderates can find their
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Speaker 2: new candidate to replace Susan Lee when eventually they walk
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Speaker 2: away from her, As the Moderates walked away from Malcolm
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Speaker 2: Turnbull and then backed in Scott Morrison over Dutton in
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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen.
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Speaker 3: You're anticipating another leadership is mister can You're all out
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Speaker 3: having any leadership ambitions with me.
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Speaker 5: This is my leader and I'm ambitious for him. Good
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Speaker 5: on your thanks going mon.
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Speaker 2: Now, if you think this is a long bow, then
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Speaker 2: let me remind you that the same factional bobber boy
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Speaker 2: that did Morrison's numbers back then, Alex Hawk, is now
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee's numbers man. Perhaps that in part explains Morrison's
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Speaker 2: media appearance today.
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Speaker 6: I think what Susan is particularly laying out on the
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Speaker 6: economy and has continued on the policies the Coalition on
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Speaker 6: security and defense. I think you know, these are the
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Speaker 6: core issues that the Liberals and Nationals have always stood for,
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Speaker 6: and I'd encourage them to focus on them.
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Speaker 2: Hawk is an operator and he will be with Susan
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Speaker 2: Lee until he too stabs her in the back as
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Speaker 2: the moderate stabbed Turmbul, and then shift their support to
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Speaker 2: anyone but a conservative, be that Hasty or the other
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Speaker 2: leading conservative on the right, Angus Taylor. However, don't fall
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Speaker 2: into the trap of thinking this is a fight about personalities.
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Speaker 3: That's what the.
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Speaker 2: Ill informed in the media are focusing on, and that's
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Speaker 2: not what this is about. What's going on now inside
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Speaker 2: the Liberal Party is a fight for the party's very
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Speaker 2: sole It's a fight between those who think the opposition
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Speaker 2: needs a very different energy policy, not one constrained by
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Speaker 2: net zero, and those who think you can't win a
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Speaker 2: place fight on the issue of climate. Part because some
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Speaker 2: of them are as mad as the Greens on this stuff,
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Speaker 2: and partly because they lack any ticker.
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Speaker 3: It's a fight.
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Speaker 2: Between those who think that uncontrolled mass immigration is driving
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Speaker 2: down wages, driving up housing, and weakening our country's social cohesion,
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Speaker 2: and those who think you can't say anything on immigration
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Speaker 2: without losing the migrant vote, even though there are plenty
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Speaker 2: of migrants as you know, who fear for where Australia
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Speaker 2: is headed as much as anyone else. In other words,
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Speaker 2: what's going on inside the opposition is a fight between
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Speaker 2: those who want the Liberals to stand for something and
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Speaker 2: those who think they can just coast back into government
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Speaker 2: on political machinations, waiting for labor to fail rather than
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Speaker 2: to lead on policy. If Andrew Hasty really is, as
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Speaker 2: claim today, the most dangerous man in politics is because
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Speaker 2: he's one of the very few contemporary politicians with a backbone,
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Speaker 2: dangerous because he's got convictions, and he's dangerous because he's brave. Yet,
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Speaker 2: how could he have been an effective Home Affairs shadow
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Speaker 2: without the responsibility for immigration, which is central to the
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Speaker 2: role that Tony Burke, his opposite number the Minister has.
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Speaker 2: How could he speak out against Burke's willingness to grant
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Speaker 2: all those visas to people from Gaza. If Hasty was
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Speaker 2: barred from discussing vises and this is crazy, so ask yourself,
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Speaker 2: why then did Susan Lee strip him of that responsibility?
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Speaker 2: In writing last week, Why is it because she was
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Speaker 2: really signaling that she doesn't want any substantial change in
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Speaker 2: the immigration area. I suspect so, honestly, how can we
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Speaker 2: improve as the nation if we're not prepared to debate
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Speaker 2: keep policy areas like energy, like immigration, when power prices
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Speaker 2: the skyrockety and industries closing down, and especially when immigrations
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Speaker 2: at record levels and so many recent migrants seem unwilling
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Speaker 2: to accept Australian values like allowing our Jewish brothers and
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Speaker 2: sisters to feel safe. Since Malcolm Turbull's time as leader,
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Speaker 2: the Little Party has basically been Labor Light, all about
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Speaker 2: big government, mass migration, more climate action, rampant political correctness,
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Speaker 2: only not quite as much as Labor by putting so
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Speaker 2: much key policy off for reviews, even though she's been
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Speaker 2: in Parliament for twenty five years and should have thought
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Speaker 2: through all these things deeply. Already, Lee looks like she's
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Speaker 2: got very few strong convictions of her own Now what
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Speaker 2: an own goal last week from the Liberal leader? First
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Speaker 2: just Enterprise, now hasty. Two of the coalitions' best performers
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Speaker 2: effectively pushed off the front bench because their leader, their
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Speaker 2: shaky leader, is threatened by both talent and conservative policy
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Speaker 2: ideas well. More fool you, Susan Lee. It's not as
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Speaker 2: if the Liberals are flushed with strong performers.
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Speaker 3: This is it.
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Speaker 2: If the Liberals think they can go to the election
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Speaker 2: without a commitment to cut migration, then the current twenty
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Speaker 2: eight percent coalition and primary vote today, well that'll be
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Speaker 2: seen as a high watermark, as even though most loyal
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Speaker 2: supporters abandon you, the base is angry. I'm not stuck
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Speaker 2: in the camera bubble in and out of the white
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Speaker 2: limos and being told by my staff what I want
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Speaker 2: to hear, like everyone watching tonight, I live in the
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Speaker 2: real world and those that normally support the Liberals are
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Speaker 2: watching protests in Britain and Europe and America as.
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Speaker 3: They vow enough's enough.
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Speaker 2: We've got to take a stand here or we'll watch
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Speaker 2: the demise of our country and Western civilization itself. And
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Speaker 2: this is what motivated Hasty to draw a line in
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Speaker 2: the sand. With the Albineezy government committed to continue high immigration.
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Speaker 2: Australia is desperate for leadership. They want a real alternity
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Speaker 2: from the Liberals, not just calculation and political management. Lee
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Speaker 2: owes her position as I said, to the numbers man
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Speaker 2: Alex Hawk, and he will have told Lee that playing
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Speaker 2: games with portfolio roles would help her expel another Conservative.
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Speaker 2: Set up this play so that when, not if the
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Speaker 2: moderates eventually roll her, he'll have a moderate.
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Speaker 3: To replace her.
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Speaker 2: As I've said now, he might be a good bother boy.
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Speaker 2: But Hawk isn't that clever, Because ever the soldier, Hasty knows,
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Speaker 2: you often lose a battle to win the war. Right,
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Cameron now for the headlines. Sky News
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Speaker 2: political reporter cam.
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Speaker 7: Redden Good Evening, leaked details from a review into the
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Speaker 7: Liberal Party's crushing election defeat include an accusation from then
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Speaker 7: leader Peter Dutton that Andrew Hasty had vacated the campaign field.
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Speaker 8: That's a preposterous, preposterous proposition. It's very disappointing to see
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Speaker 8: that what is a confidential submission to a review has
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Speaker 8: somehow become public.
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Speaker 7: Details of the review are tightly held, but the nine
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Speaker 7: newspapers report Mister Dutton's feedback includes a claim that then
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Speaker 7: defense spokesman had effectively gone on strike when it mattered most.
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Speaker 9: I don't believe that any individual should be singled out
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Speaker 9: for our loss.
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Speaker 7: Having resigned from Susan Lee's front bench last week. The
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Speaker 7: former SAS captain responded by accusing the Old Guard of
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Speaker 7: lashing out because it is losing the fight on immigration
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Speaker 7: and energy. After a false start in Port Moresby last month,
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Speaker 7: Australia and Papua New Guinea have now signed a new
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Speaker 7: defense treaty.
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Speaker 10: History brother, thank you very much, Prime Minis ALGANESSI, my brother,
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Speaker 10: my friend, you accepted the proposal from our government enter
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Speaker 10: into these three th.
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Speaker 4: We are mates, we are friends, we are neighbors, and
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Speaker 4: today we're allies.
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Speaker 2: All credit that to the Prime Minister and obviously our
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Speaker 2: PNG Prime Minister two for getting that defense deal. Worrying
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Speaker 2: signs are from China earlier on getting it over the
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Speaker 2: line today. That is something all Austrains can be proud of.
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Speaker 2: Let's go now, though, too. What's likely to be another
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Speaker 2: tumultuous sitting week in Canberra for the coalition Parliament, as
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Speaker 2: I said, set to resume tomorrow. Cently the House anyway,
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Speaker 2: it's a Senate budget estimates for everybody else and joined
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Speaker 2: me now to discuss what the week might look like.
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Speaker 2: Sky's political contributor Chris Human. Let's start if I can
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Speaker 2: with that shock resignation on Friday of Liberal Front bencher
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Speaker 2: Andre Hasty stepping down from shadow cabinet siding not just
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee's decision to strip him of policy for immigration.
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Speaker 2: I think that is just cac handed, but also concerns
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Speaker 2: he has with her direction on net zero.
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Speaker 9: Immigration is a corresponsibility of Home Affairs and so when
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Speaker 9: it was made clear that I wouldn't have any leadership
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Speaker 9: in that role, I thought it was time for me
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Speaker 9: to depart because essentially I want to be able to
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Speaker 9: speak about immigration, which I think is a critical issue
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Speaker 9: for a lot of Australians at the moment. I think
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Speaker 9: what we're seeing across the world now is a move
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Speaker 9: against NED zero.
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Speaker 3: Chris.
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Speaker 2: We mentioned the Charter's letters last week. They arrived in
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Speaker 2: the middle of the week. They were about four months
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Speaker 2: late anyway, but she took the extraordinary decision to strip
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Speaker 2: out from Home Affairs the issue of immigration.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke, for Labor, is the Minister for Home Affairs.
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Speaker 2: He's front and center on immigration. I think, as I said,
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Speaker 2: it's cap canned. I think she was spoiling for a
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Speaker 2: fight and I think she forced this issue. Unhasty and
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Speaker 2: I mean he's got to act with integrity, I guess,
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Speaker 2: and walk away.
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Speaker 3: But I don't know what it.
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Speaker 2: Is with the coalition at the moment, but they are
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Speaker 2: doing everything they can to make themselves the issue.
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Speaker 5: Well, look, there is a fight for the soul of
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Speaker 5: the Liberal.
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Speaker 11: Party at the moment and it's going to be over issues
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Speaker 11: like this, Peter. And you know, it's quite clear that
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Speaker 11: whatever Susan Lee imagined that Andrew Hasty was going to
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Speaker 11: say about immigration was not going to sit particularly well
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Speaker 11: with what she had to say about immigration, and you
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Speaker 11: can only assume that that was going to be much
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Speaker 11: more soft pedal. And I do believe that that perhaps
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Speaker 11: misunderstands Andrew Hasty. I think that there is a real
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Speaker 11: desire inside the community at the moment for a conversation
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Speaker 11: on immigration, not about where people come from, but just
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Speaker 11: simply about there being too many too quickly, and that's
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Speaker 11: evident in the figures that we see, and people are
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Speaker 11: feeling the pressure on that, and I think that pressure
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Speaker 11: is reasonably widespread. And I also do think that there
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Speaker 11: is time to have a conversation about multiculturalism in Australia
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Speaker 11: and what that actually means and how we bring together
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Speaker 11: this community to try and celebrate our unity rather than
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Speaker 11: those things that divide us. And I'm pretty sure there
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Speaker 11: are all the sort of things that Andrew Hasty would
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Speaker 11: want to discuss. Now, others in the Liberal Party do
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Speaker 11: not want to discuss those things. They're living in fear
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Speaker 11: of what the last selection said. They're all interpreting what
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Speaker 11: it might mean, and they worry about ethnic communities, when,
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Speaker 11: as you mentioned, some of these ethnic communities I think
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Speaker 11: are up for this kind of conversation as well. And
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Speaker 11: I'm assuming that somebody also said to sisen Lye that
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Speaker 11: if you do not act against Hasty, who's essentially unplugged
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Speaker 11: on your front bench, then you'll look weak. So I'm
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Speaker 11: guessing that all led to what we saw at the
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Speaker 11: end of last week.
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Speaker 2: He practiced though, I mean, if he was handling the
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Speaker 2: review into the policy for immigration, which he ordinarily would
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Speaker 2: is the Shadow for Home Affairs, all of that has
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Speaker 2: to get tossed into an internal process. All of that
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Speaker 2: comes through the Shadow Cabinet. Everybody has their say. So
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Speaker 2: this looks to me as if she wanted to noble
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Speaker 2: him and bring on a fight. And I point to
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Speaker 2: Bobba boys like Alex hal Koum Machinate's behind the scenes
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Speaker 2: seeing to me to be sort of a deliberate internal
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Speaker 2: show of strength, and obviously it got to where it
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Speaker 2: got to on Friday. But just your point there about
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Speaker 2: some Libs say that these aren't issues that people are really.
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Speaker 3: That concerned about.
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Speaker 2: And that's very much the tone of what Andrew Bragg,
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Speaker 2: Senator Andrew Braid from New South Wales leading moderate, had
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Speaker 2: to say. He says that, you know, this isn't called
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Speaker 2: business for the Liberals.
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Speaker 3: People aren't worried about it.
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Speaker 2: But if you look at the last election, even under
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton, the Libs were backing in then zero. The
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Speaker 2: Libs had very little to say about high migration.
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Speaker 3: They backed in labor.
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Speaker 2: Well, look at the disastrous result if you do the
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Speaker 2: same thing the same time over and over again wanting
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Speaker 2: a different result. Isn't that the definition of insanity? Isn't
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Speaker 2: hasty right to say we're going to talk about this stuff.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, Look, and I read Andrew Bragg's saying it was
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Speaker 11: like the curate's egg. Really it was good in parts.
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Speaker 11: So I note that he says the defense essentially the
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Speaker 11: problem is not my migration when it comes to housing,
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Speaker 11: it's a.
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Speaker 5: Supply side problem.
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Speaker 11: Well, if you can increase, then you've got a bigger
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Speaker 11: problem with supply, right. So I think people get a
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Speaker 11: bit tired of the fact that they keep getting told
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Speaker 11: that migration has nothing to do with this. By his
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Speaker 11: own figures, there's been five million people arrive in the
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Speaker 11: last twenty five years. If you look at the figures
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Speaker 11: from the mix in Australian population, now thirty one percent
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Speaker 11: of people in Australia are now born overseas. The equivalent
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Speaker 11: number in the United States is fifteen percent. And again
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Speaker 11: this is not talking about where people come from. It's
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Speaker 11: just saying that there are too many people. It's putting
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Speaker 11: pressure across the board on those frontline suburbs. And when
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Speaker 11: he started to speak about net zero again, I was
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Speaker 11: a little confused because he talked about Labour's net zero
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Speaker 11: not being any good, said that China was long and renewables,
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Speaker 11: but also long on coal, pointed out that thirty nine
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Speaker 11: other countries in the world are using coal and said
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Speaker 11: we should use all of our resources. Now, that sounds
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Speaker 11: a bit like what macnaban is saying. Actually, it's not
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Speaker 11: talking about net zero, it's talking about the fact that
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Speaker 11: maybe we should burn some of that coal here. So
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Speaker 11: I find the conversations that are being had very confused
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Speaker 11: at the moment. Now, maybe the coalition must have this,
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Speaker 11: but it is at risk of tearing itself to shreds
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Speaker 11: and to cease to be and it may well already
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Speaker 11: be there at the moment a party of government. And
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Speaker 11: you compare that to what we saw from the Prime
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Speaker 11: Minister today, who's actually signing a treaty of some significant
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Speaker 11: value to Australia, and any part of who sees this
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Speaker 11: to him just knows exactly where they'll put their vote
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Speaker 11: next time.
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Speaker 2: And look, if it was only as simple as a
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Speaker 2: better costed an earlier defense policy to put Peter Dutton
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Speaker 2: into the lodge well more for the Liberals, I mean,
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Speaker 2: if that's what they think was the only thing that
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Speaker 2: cost them the election in May, they kidding themselves.
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Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely they are.
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Speaker 11: And look I assume that it's somebody who is in
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Speaker 11: the orbit of Peter Dutton who briefed the newspaper today
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Speaker 11: on that, And then they'd have to ask themselves the question,
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Speaker 11: what value do they think is gotten out of any
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Speaker 11: of this?
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Speaker 5: Now?
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Speaker 11: If they are determined essentially to simply kill their own
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Speaker 11: at the moment, then division is death. We know that
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Speaker 11: this is the end of this party as we know it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I suspect it's more likely that review landed on
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Speaker 2: the desk of someone in the New South Wales division.
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Speaker 2: And it's so full of moderates that putting it out
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Speaker 2: there looking like it's a green on blue attack from
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Speaker 2: Dutton to another Conservative is well, it's got them the
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Speaker 2: desired result. Today News poll, Let's have a look at
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Speaker 2: that twenty eight percent primary vote. That's an improvement, really,
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Speaker 2: it was twenty seven last time round. It it's still
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Speaker 2: in catastrophic territory. What worries me here Two things worry me.
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Speaker 2: The flight of the base vote to one nation. It
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Speaker 2: serves to its highest level since twenty seventeen. That's not
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Speaker 2: an anomaly. That's what we have seen over and over
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Speaker 2: again in the UK with the Tory vote moving to Reform,
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Speaker 2: and when Reform has a serious, credible prime ministerial type candidate,
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Speaker 2: that vote locks in and does not go back.
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Speaker 3: To the Tories.
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Speaker 2: So the lives are in danger of people parking their vote,
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Speaker 2: leaving their vote and locking in their vote away from them.
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Speaker 2: But also to you know, really high popularity for the
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Speaker 2: prime minister when you only need to get around the
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Speaker 2: media a bit and listen to what people might even
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Speaker 2: say and radio and what they're.
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Speaker 3: Saying in the community.
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Speaker 2: They're not that happy with him, but they don't have
20:17
Speaker 2: another option.
20:20
Speaker 11: No, it's in exactly this in Victoria right by any measure,
20:23
Speaker 11: the Allen government next year should be pushed out of
20:26
Speaker 11: government with a pointed stick. That that's not going to
20:28
Speaker 11: happen because of the fact that the people of Victoria
20:31
Speaker 11: really don't have an alternative. You know, the Victorian branch
20:33
Speaker 11: of the Liberal Party is determined to sue itself out
20:36
Speaker 11: of existence, and at the moment the federal branch is
20:39
Speaker 11: heading in the same direction of the Federal The Federal
20:42
Speaker 11: Party is headed in the same directions. So you know,
20:45
Speaker 11: at the moment, the coalition.
20:47
Speaker 5: Looks all at sea.
20:48
Speaker 11: It does not look like a party of government or
20:50
Speaker 11: all an alternative government, and doesn't look like getting its
20:53
Speaker 11: act together in the short term. Now, eventually there's going
20:56
Speaker 11: to have to be some kind of settlement if the
20:57
Speaker 11: Liberals are to stay in any kind of position to
21:00
Speaker 11: govern again, between the Conservatives and the small l Liberals
21:05
Speaker 11: and the Party because that's the only way you're ever
21:07
Speaker 11: going to have enough to get there. I see that
21:09
Speaker 11: drift off to one nation. But if you add up
21:11
Speaker 11: twenty seven percent and eleven percent, even if all of
21:14
Speaker 11: the preferences flowed that way, you still don't get above
21:17
Speaker 11: forty percent of the vote for But if you're out
21:20
Speaker 11: up the Green's Labor Party, you start to get towards
21:22
Speaker 11: fifty percent, very close to it. So at the moment,
21:24
Speaker 11: what's going to happen is that they need to find
21:27
Speaker 11: a way to talk to aspirational voters and to tell
21:29
Speaker 11: them that there's something worth voting for, and particularly for
21:32
Speaker 11: the young. The other figure I'll say in closing Peter,
21:34
Speaker 11: as I saw recently is on a review of the
21:36
Speaker 11: Little Party, is that the average age is seventy two.
21:39
Speaker 11: That is the average age. Now you've got to find
21:42
Speaker 11: a way to talk to young people and to women
21:45
Speaker 11: if you expect to have a future as a party
21:48
Speaker 11: of government in Australia.
21:52
Speaker 2: And here they were thinking that just putting a woman
21:54
Speaker 2: in the top job will solve the woman's vote. Always
21:57
Speaker 2: said that is wrongheaded all over there, Chris, Just quickly
22:00
Speaker 2: before we go, the Japanese ruling party has elected their
22:03
Speaker 2: first female leader. She's not yet Prime minister. That has
22:07
Speaker 2: to be endorsed. Sunai Takahatchi is her name. She's quite formidable.
22:13
Speaker 2: Japanese reports says she is their version of Margaret Thatcher.
22:16
Speaker 3: So I don't think they like that in Beijing. I
22:18
Speaker 3: think it's a good thing, isn't it all?
22:20
Speaker 2: Right?
22:20
Speaker 3: Quick break?
22:20
Speaker 2: After the break, the PM denied it was happening last week,
22:23
Speaker 2: but a group of Islamic State women have returned to Australia.
22:27
Speaker 2: Now either he knew and he was lying, or he
22:30
Speaker 2: was completely in the dark. That's unacceptable too, So what
22:34
Speaker 2: means now for Australia. A former federal police officer up next.
22:37
Speaker 2: Plus another blowout on Malcolm's Snowy two point zero was
22:42
Speaker 2: to be two billion, Now it's close to twenty billion
22:46
Speaker 2: and years overdue.
22:52
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
22:53
Speaker 2: Ev carr Is reported today bareley holding half of their value.
22:57
Speaker 2: When they're driven out of the showroom and Malcolm Turnbulls
23:00
Speaker 2: Boondog or Snowy handro it's about to blow out by
23:03
Speaker 2: some nine hundred percent on original costings. But first, with
23:07
Speaker 2: little fanfare, six people so called isis Brian's Islamic State
23:12
Speaker 2: Women and their offspring, all of which were born overseas,
23:15
Speaker 2: have managed to smuggle themselves out of Syria and quietly
23:19
Speaker 2: return to Australia. The group has reported escaped to Lebanon,
23:22
Speaker 2: where they were then detained.
23:24
Speaker 3: However, they were later.
23:25
Speaker 2: Issued with Australian passports, so our agencies must have been involved.
23:31
Speaker 2: After being processed by Lebanese agencies and passing security checks,
23:35
Speaker 2: were told join me out to discuss this return, Former
23:39
Speaker 2: Australian Federal Police Detective Superintendent David Craig.
23:43
Speaker 3: David, thank you for your time.
23:44
Speaker 2: There's enormous community interest in this issue. We were originally
23:50
Speaker 2: told by the Prime Minister that these women and children,
23:55
Speaker 2: all of which i'm saying now that children were born
23:57
Speaker 2: in Syria, were sort of out of his hand, that
24:00
Speaker 2: the Australian government was not involved. We now learn that
24:04
Speaker 2: they have been monitored, we're told by Australia for some time,
24:07
Speaker 2: and obviously there's been some level of involvement by our
24:10
Speaker 2: officials in Lebanon for them to get these passports. They're
24:15
Speaker 2: now home in Australia. Give us a sense of how
24:18
Speaker 2: carefully they will have been assessed.
24:23
Speaker 12: Well, good eating, prayer, good eating everybody and it's I'm
24:27
Speaker 12: sure that they've been as careful as they can, but
24:29
Speaker 12: it doesn't mean that you're effective. I mean you have
24:31
Speaker 12: to have tools to be able to assess people, particularly
24:35
Speaker 12: when it comes to national security. What tools were available
24:38
Speaker 12: to the Australian government when they were in Syria and
24:41
Speaker 12: the circumstances of which they went there, that their activities there,
24:45
Speaker 12: and their activities when the caliphate was failing and then
24:49
Speaker 12: they fled to Lebanon, we don't have much in the
24:52
Speaker 12: way of tools. It's a very ramshackle, paper based and
24:56
Speaker 12: inferior IT systems that were used in Syria was very destroyed.
25:00
Speaker 5: The chances of.
25:01
Speaker 12: Us making a robust security assess model on any of
25:05
Speaker 12: these people while in Syria, I would say is mil
25:09
Speaker 12: We've probably made the best assessment we can while they
25:11
Speaker 12: are in detention at Lebanon. How that's a very very
25:14
Speaker 12: different circumstance to coming back and living in a free
25:19
Speaker 12: society like Australia. You can assess murderers in jail who
25:23
Speaker 12: come across as quite decent people, but it's when they
25:25
Speaker 12: change their environment and the circumstances change.
25:30
Speaker 2: What about the risks that these children have never grown
25:34
Speaker 2: up in Australia.
25:35
Speaker 3: They've never.
25:38
Speaker 2: Been exposed to anything other than likely radicalism. Certainly in
25:43
Speaker 2: the camps we're told that happens on a routine basis.
25:45
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they are radical, but they've certainly had
25:48
Speaker 2: exposure to that, and we know how quickly that can
25:51
Speaker 2: change young person in the online environment, let alone living
25:55
Speaker 2: in this environment physically.
25:57
Speaker 3: But these women, let's debunk.
25:59
Speaker 2: This idea that there were just dumb innocents who fled
26:03
Speaker 2: overseas for a little bit of adventure. They were told
26:06
Speaker 2: not to go, they knew not to go, They went
26:08
Speaker 2: out of their way and very cleverly got themselves not
26:11
Speaker 2: only overseas, but found themselves all the way into the
26:14
Speaker 2: absolute epicenter of Islamic state. They will have seen and
26:20
Speaker 2: potentially done things David that would shock Australians.
26:26
Speaker 12: One hundred percent. Peter, I think what you're saying is correct. Look,
26:29
Speaker 12: there's nothing to say that all these people radicalized, that's
26:33
Speaker 12: for sure, But you can look at it comparatively in
26:36
Speaker 12: Afghanistan with our own troops who were on the good
26:40
Speaker 12: side by the way, we have had trouble for them
26:42
Speaker 12: to reintegrate back after short terms in a war zone.
26:46
Speaker 12: Coming back to Australian society. How can you simply go
26:49
Speaker 12: from someone working within or being a part of and
26:52
Speaker 12: associating with Islamic state, So coming back to Australia not
26:58
Speaker 12: posing any threats or or adjusting to Australian values without
27:03
Speaker 12: any issues. I think it's a very slim risk that
27:06
Speaker 12: there won't be some issues falling out from this.
27:11
Speaker 2: So, given the Prime Minister is not telling us anything,
27:14
Speaker 2: Given the Prime Minister is basically hiding behind the fact
27:16
Speaker 2: that they smuggle themselves out and they're Australian citizens, so
27:20
Speaker 2: we have to let them back in. We're not told
27:23
Speaker 2: where they are when no one's warned if they're in
27:25
Speaker 2: the house next to them, We're not given any comfort
27:28
Speaker 2: the police are monitoring them in any way. Should we
27:31
Speaker 2: have more information.
27:32
Speaker 12: David, absolutely, we should. Surely we have a right to know,
27:37
Speaker 12: not the names and where these people are living, but
27:39
Speaker 12: we need to know whether they are subject to control
27:41
Speaker 12: orders or not, which I would hope would be mandatory
27:44
Speaker 12: for all these people. And also the resource costing are
27:48
Speaker 12: supplied to it as well.
27:49
Speaker 5: I mean, the public is.
27:51
Speaker 12: Constantly debating whether or not there is enough police and
27:54
Speaker 12: intelligence resources to deal with extant terrorist threats. We are
27:59
Speaker 12: pretend introducing more to Australia by allowing these people back here,
28:04
Speaker 12: and therefore they will have to be monitored. So why
28:07
Speaker 12: wouldn't the government play playball and just be more transparent
28:12
Speaker 12: with the entire process.
28:16
Speaker 2: Just quickly before we go, I mean the news time
28:18
Speaker 2: I was police have launched legal action to try and
28:20
Speaker 2: stop a pro palacity in protest on the Opera House
28:23
Speaker 2: in coming days. Surely that's the least we should expect
28:28
Speaker 2: given the timing of events.
28:32
Speaker 12: I mean, I would have thought anyone, regardless of your
28:36
Speaker 12: political spectrum, would want to be associated with what occurred
28:40
Speaker 12: two years ago on the Opera House steps when I
28:43
Speaker 12: would say Islamo fascists and their associates were chanting anti
28:49
Speaker 12: Jewish slogans on our national icon and there was not
28:55
Speaker 12: one bit of law enforcement action taken that resulted in anything.
28:59
Speaker 12: So I mean, on one hand, they'll think they'll can
29:02
Speaker 12: get away with it, whether they're given approval to or not.
29:06
Speaker 12: And secondly that why would you want to be associated
29:10
Speaker 12: with something so horrid as that? It just goes to
29:13
Speaker 12: the mentality of these protesters.
29:17
Speaker 2: Yes, and there's been no march, has there in the
29:19
Speaker 2: last couple of days urging Hamas to accept the peace
29:21
Speaker 2: deal that many other Arab nations obviously including the US
29:25
Speaker 2: and Israelive signed up too. But that speaks volumes day.
29:28
Speaker 2: Thank you for your frank and honest conversation with us tonight.
29:31
Speaker 2: You're giving us what our government certainly is not. Thank
29:33
Speaker 2: you over Craig there, former AFP superintendent. Let's take a
29:37
Speaker 2: look at the blowout of Snowy Hydro. News today that
29:40
Speaker 2: the project, launched by Malcolm Term was facing another billion
29:43
Speaker 2: dollar cost blowout. Now it was meant to be a
29:47
Speaker 2: two billion dollar job and done it in about four years.
29:50
Speaker 2: Well it's a long time past that now and it's
29:53
Speaker 2: looking like it's going to hit twenty billion dollars. That's
29:55
Speaker 2: a staggering nine hundred percent blowout. Here to pull it
30:01
Speaker 2: apart is The Australian's Graham Lloyd. Well, I'm not surprised,
30:05
Speaker 2: but I'll tell you how angry are people because ultimately
30:09
Speaker 2: it's just a battery and there's no great science about this,
30:12
Speaker 2: is there?
30:12
Speaker 3: Graham?
30:13
Speaker 2: A minute, It just pumps the water up hill and
30:15
Speaker 2: then the gravity feet of the water coming down the
30:17
Speaker 2: hill turns a turbine. They pump it back up again
30:20
Speaker 2: and it just runs.
30:21
Speaker 3: Around in a loop. But for all of that, we're
30:24
Speaker 3: paying twenty billion dollars.
30:27
Speaker 13: Yes, it's extraordinary, is that, Peter.
30:29
Speaker 14: And it shows how bad the government's sort of analysis
30:34
Speaker 14: of the project was from the start. They went blindly
30:37
Speaker 14: into it and just started digging. There is no power
30:41
Speaker 14: generation in it. It will take surplus electricity from renewable projects,
30:47
Speaker 14: and there'll be a net loss of energy on the
30:49
Speaker 14: way through. And I think something that I really need
30:52
Speaker 14: to bear in mind is that it sounds like a
30:55
Speaker 14: very big, impressive project, but it will only cover effective
31:00
Speaker 14: what's already in the grid, which we are going to
31:03
Speaker 14: expand many times over. So it doesn't solve completely the
31:08
Speaker 14: problem that it's supposed to, and we're going to have
31:11
Speaker 14: to go through this exercise many times.
31:15
Speaker 3: And I want to put this into perspective for people
31:17
Speaker 3: at home.
31:17
Speaker 2: Twenty billion dollars would do a great dint in fixing
31:20
Speaker 2: roads around the country. Twenty billion dollars is twenty brand
31:24
Speaker 2: new sto the teaching scale hospitals, and we know we
31:28
Speaker 2: need good hospitals right around the country. If we can
31:31
Speaker 2: get something to blow out at a commonwealth level by
31:34
Speaker 2: nine hundred percent that everything that Chris Bowen's doing, Malcolm,
31:38
Speaker 2: at least can add up. And if you got that wrong,
31:40
Speaker 2: I don't think Chris Bowen's going to do a better job.
31:43
Speaker 3: God help the bills. We'll get ahead of us with
31:46
Speaker 3: all the rollout that's got to happen.
31:47
Speaker 2: Between twenty thirty and twenty thirty five and to get
31:50
Speaker 2: us to net zero.
31:53
Speaker 14: Well, certainly this seems to be the rule rather than
31:57
Speaker 14: the exception. And that was interesting. See Malcolm Turnwull made
32:01
Speaker 14: some comments about it, and he effectively said, well, the
32:06
Speaker 14: impact of climate change is so great it doesn't matter
32:08
Speaker 14: how much you spend. And then on the other hand
32:11
Speaker 14: he said, well every government project blows out and that's
32:16
Speaker 14: cold comfort.
32:17
Speaker 13: Really.
32:17
Speaker 14: I think the thing that has been missing has been
32:21
Speaker 14: a proper cost benefit analysis of everything before it started.
32:25
Speaker 13: So we know what the best solution may be.
32:29
Speaker 2: I tell you, everybody that speaks on renew words gram,
32:32
Speaker 2: I wish they have to give us a disclaimer to
32:35
Speaker 2: the public to say whether or not they have any
32:38
Speaker 2: pecuniary benefit, because a lot of them do. Let's talk
32:42
Speaker 2: about EBV because analysts are warning. One of the reasons
32:45
Speaker 2: people do not want to buy an ev is that
32:47
Speaker 2: a lot of them don't even hold half of their
32:50
Speaker 2: original value. You drive them out in the front door,
32:53
Speaker 2: and obviously once the battery goes or the battery's diminished,
32:56
Speaker 2: or there's been an accident, that will be written off
32:58
Speaker 2: because you can't repair battery after some sort of collision.
33:02
Speaker 2: Vigo is a very expensive asset and insurance insurance companies
33:07
Speaker 2: are pretty scared to touch them too, because we haven't
33:08
Speaker 2: got to handle around the lithium explosion risk, particular with
33:13
Speaker 2: all the Chinese models about to flood the market.
33:17
Speaker 13: Yes, it's an extraordinary thing.
33:19
Speaker 14: The government has invested so much political capital in the
33:23
Speaker 14: fact that people are going to take up electric vehicles all.
33:27
Speaker 13: Around the world, not only in Australia.
33:29
Speaker 14: But the experience is people are not taking up these
33:33
Speaker 14: vehicles for a whole load of reasons. We were told
33:37
Speaker 14: that when more models become available and the price moves down,
33:40
Speaker 14: the take up will be there. Well that's proved not
33:43
Speaker 14: to be the case, and for all the reasons that
33:46
Speaker 14: you've listed that the running costs are not as cheap
33:49
Speaker 14: as people have been told, the insurance costs are much
33:52
Speaker 14: much higher, the depreciation rates are much higher, and people
33:57
Speaker 14: have the experience of their telephones that these are basically
34:00
Speaker 14: consumable goods and once the battery's flat, they're done. And
34:04
Speaker 14: that's a big investment in a car to reach that position.
34:08
Speaker 14: The problem is, of course, the government looks like it's
34:11
Speaker 14: going to double down that sort of set a target
34:14
Speaker 14: that requires a big take up of electric vehicles. And
34:18
Speaker 14: the experience overseas is that if people won't do the
34:22
Speaker 14: right thing, you find punitive measures to force them.
34:27
Speaker 3: We can all see it now.
34:28
Speaker 2: Andrew Hasey thinks it's a big enough iss to quit
34:31
Speaker 2: the front bench over.
34:32
Speaker 3: I'll leave it there, thank you, Graham.
34:34
Speaker 2: After the break, new data revealing sex related crimes in
34:36
Speaker 2: Victoria are at a ten year high, but worse, a crime.
34:41
Speaker 3: Is occurring every thirty minutes.
34:43
Speaker 2: Plus revelations it alleged teenage thug was bailed just so
34:47
Speaker 2: that he could go on a family holiday to Europe
34:50
Speaker 2: with mum and dad. What's about trage there? What can
34:54
Speaker 2: we expect on bail reform.
34:55
Speaker 3: That's coming up?
35:00
Speaker 2: Walk back still to calm what the college federally can
35:02
Speaker 2: do to overcome internal politics and bring back the votes
35:05
Speaker 2: that have been lost now to minor parties. But first
35:08
Speaker 2: of it, reports late last week that there are now
35:10
Speaker 2: more than three hundred thousand cases in Victoria that remain unsolved.
35:16
Speaker 2: Today we learn that there is a sex crime committed
35:18
Speaker 2: in the state every thirty minutes. In the year to June,
35:23
Speaker 2: more than four thousand alleged defenders. We're responsible for over
35:26
Speaker 2: seventeen thousand sex crimes in the state and that equates
35:30
Speaker 2: to more than four offenses per offender. Now this is
35:35
Speaker 2: a ten year high. Here to discuss this and more,
35:38
Speaker 2: Shadow Police Minister David Southwick, you know, I keep wishing
35:43
Speaker 2: I could have someone on to talk about the issues
35:46
Speaker 2: and things going on in Victoria that started on the
35:49
Speaker 2: positive note that gave us a bit of hope. I
35:50
Speaker 2: hope you'll take us down that journey when you say
35:53
Speaker 2: what you're going to do should you get elected. But
35:55
Speaker 2: I mean, every single day, David, there's stats that get
35:58
Speaker 2: worse and worse and worse. And when you've got this
36:00
Speaker 2: volume of sex crime, something happening to someone in Victoria,
36:04
Speaker 2: most likely women or children every thirty minutes, where's this
36:09
Speaker 2: premier who says she stands.
36:10
Speaker 3: Up for women and girls?
36:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks, Peter, And the answer is mia missing in action.
36:15
Speaker 1: And this is just not good enough. And what we
36:18
Speaker 1: will do, and what Victorians are desperate for, is to
36:22
Speaker 1: put victims first, not criminals, and give them a second third,
36:25
Speaker 1: fifty chances. And we propose a policy called right to ask,
36:31
Speaker 1: Right to know, which is information about who is the
36:34
Speaker 1: partner that you're dating, information that they done in the
36:37
Speaker 1: UK Claire's Law, to be able to ensure that, particularly
36:40
Speaker 1: you've got women that can feel safe in a relationship.
36:42
Speaker 1: The government rejected that the government's got no answers, whereas
36:46
Speaker 1: we need that. The Victorian Law Reform Commission had a
36:50
Speaker 1: series of recommendations back in twenty twenty one. That's still waiting.
36:53
Speaker 1: No answers, no commitment, nothing from a government that's big
36:56
Speaker 1: on talk, little on action.
36:58
Speaker 2: When it gets hard, she hides from media. I mean,
37:01
Speaker 2: I'm no foan of Daniel Andrews, but he at least
37:03
Speaker 2: front of the cameras.
37:05
Speaker 3: She hides away.
37:06
Speaker 2: We saw that last week with the revelation of a
37:09
Speaker 2: biological man being in a women's prison in Victoria. She
37:12
Speaker 2: hid for three days. She comes out and says nothing to.
37:15
Speaker 3: Do with me.
37:16
Speaker 2: Even though it was the Andrews government. She was the
37:19
Speaker 2: deputy who put the Boss of Prisons, Larissa Strong in
37:23
Speaker 2: the job. That's not good enough. Victorians are angry at that.
37:27
Speaker 2: Talk to me about what you would do with men, biological.
37:31
Speaker 3: Men in a women's prison.
37:32
Speaker 1: Well, here is a classic casing point. You have a
37:35
Speaker 1: pedophile that is assaulted a young girl being put his daughter,
37:42
Speaker 1: his daughter in a women's prison. A system failure and
37:47
Speaker 1: as our leader Brad Batten has said, we would not
37:50
Speaker 1: do that this person. And we need to think about
37:54
Speaker 1: the safety of all Victorians and whether you're in prison
37:57
Speaker 1: and you're a vulnerable woman being exposed to hadophile. That's
38:01
Speaker 1: simply unacceptable and there's a government that just doesn't do it. Again,
38:05
Speaker 1: big on talk, little on action.
38:07
Speaker 2: What about the case of a fifteen year old boy
38:10
Speaker 2: who was charged with violent crime but the judge led
38:16
Speaker 2: him off on bail to go overseas on a family
38:19
Speaker 2: holiday with mum and dad to Europe.
38:21
Speaker 3: How's that good?
38:22
Speaker 1: Bail system is broken?
38:25
Speaker 3: We fix it.
38:26
Speaker 1: We have a premier it says we have the strongest
38:28
Speaker 1: bail laws in the state.
38:29
Speaker 2: Run into taxpayer funded ads to that effect.
38:32
Speaker 1: Costing is all, but they are the weakest and you
38:35
Speaker 1: can't have a carve out the young people if you
38:39
Speaker 1: commit a serious crime, no matter what your age, then
38:43
Speaker 1: you need to face consequences. And particularly we're seeing Machetti
38:46
Speaker 1: crime every single day home invasions. This young alleged crook,
38:53
Speaker 1: a robber using a weapon, five home invasions and gets
38:58
Speaker 1: rewarded with a European vacation. That person should be locked up.
39:01
Speaker 3: But where's the parents too? I mean, if mum and
39:03
Speaker 3: dad have got the coin.
39:04
Speaker 2: To go to Europe, you know, if they're saying that
39:08
Speaker 2: the sun deserves an overseas holiday, where are the parents.
39:13
Speaker 2: Why aren't they saying lock him up? You know, five
39:16
Speaker 2: home invasions with a weapon. Our son needs to be
39:18
Speaker 2: taught a lesson. If we're not going to teach you
39:20
Speaker 2: the lesson, put him on.
39:21
Speaker 1: Remand well, that's a very very good question. At the
39:24
Speaker 1: end of the day, it sends all the wrong messages.
39:28
Speaker 1: If you allow a young offender to get away with this,
39:31
Speaker 1: then what does that say to other young people? They
39:34
Speaker 1: use social media, they all talk about it before you're
39:36
Speaker 1: not they're all committing these types of crimes. You've got
39:39
Speaker 1: to send a message tough love. These individuals need to
39:42
Speaker 1: be locked up to know you know what you're going
39:44
Speaker 1: to do. Something serious, you're going to face consequences. There's
39:47
Speaker 1: been none of that in Victoria. This is a lawless state.
39:50
Speaker 1: It didn't happen overnight. It's been ten years in the
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Speaker 1: making and a government that talks tough on crime, but
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Speaker 1: it is the weakest government and Premier I think this
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Speaker 1: state has ever seen.
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Speaker 2: Are you prepared to sack people that are running our
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Speaker 2: president and sack people senior echelons the police force to
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Speaker 2: force change.
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Speaker 1: We have to do that. We cannot accept what we're
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Speaker 1: seeing at the moment. The system's broken and Victorians expect
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Speaker 1: to feel safe. Community safety has to be the number
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Speaker 1: one priority of any government before you can do a
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Speaker 1: whole range of other things. You can't go to bed
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Speaker 1: at night, you can't walk the streets, then the comment's
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Speaker 1: failed you. And so we've got to get that right.
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Speaker 1: There's economics and housing and all the rest of it
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Speaker 1: will do, but we've got to ensure the community safe.
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Speaker 2: I can't let October seven happen tomorrow without your a
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Speaker 2: leading light in the Victorian Jewish community. I can't let
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Speaker 2: that happen tomorrow without asking you. Given the events we've
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Speaker 2: seen overseas. Just the other day in the UK and
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Speaker 2: everything that's going on.
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Speaker 3: For the last two years. How is your community coping?
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Speaker 5: Very difficult.
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Speaker 1: It's been tough and I want to thank you, Peter
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Speaker 1: feel support it's been so steadfast. But I was with
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Speaker 1: the community this morning. We did a run in Corfield Park.
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Speaker 1: We've got more events we'll do tomorrow. But the community,
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Speaker 1: particularly in Australia, felt let down. What has happened overseas
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Speaker 1: and the trauma of October seven, people murdered, hostages taken,
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Speaker 1: and all of that's unfolding. But the fact that that
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Speaker 1: spills over into Australia. Synagogue's fire bombed targets, and then
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Speaker 1: we saw that Manchester as just a horrific reminder about
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Speaker 1: what's happening internationally. But also it's been happening here a
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Speaker 1: week Federal government a week state government has allowed the
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Speaker 1: problems in the Middle eight East to spill over into Australia,
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Speaker 1: into Victoria, and it's left community vulnerable and feeling unsupported.
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Speaker 1: You know, this is a weak and horrible government. No
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Speaker 1: matter who you are, no matter where you come from,
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Speaker 1: you should be able to again have the government having
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Speaker 1: your back, and this government turned their back on the
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Speaker 1: Jewish community.
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Speaker 3: We are all thinking of you tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: I believe they are quick break half the break into
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Speaker 2: a whole range of things with my panel, see there,
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Speaker 2: welcome back.
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Speaker 3: I tell you what you should read my phone during
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Speaker 3: the ad breaks.
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Speaker 2: The Liberal Party base who've had my number since about
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety.
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Speaker 3: Eight, are blowing up anyway.
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Speaker 2: Opposition leader Susan Lee facing a leadership storm over her
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Speaker 2: colleague management with the lost now two leading Conservatives, She's
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Speaker 2: Enterprise and Andrew Hasty. But what's the worse as news
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Speaker 2: poll confirms today the once rock solid conservative face of
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Speaker 2: the party, well that's walking too, leaving Lee presiding over
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Speaker 2: what some fear is a death spiral now for the
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Speaker 2: party unless it abruptly changes course on key policy. To
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Speaker 2: discuss this and more, Joining me now, Pauline Hansen's One
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Speaker 2: Nation chief of staff, who has rocketing in the polls
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Speaker 2: James Ashby and see you fellow at the Mensis Research Center,
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Speaker 2: columns with the Australian Nick Kata with Jmes get to
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Speaker 2: your party's vote surge in a moment. But there was
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Speaker 2: a very deliberate attempt you and I know how Charter
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Speaker 2: let us work right, So there was a very deliberate
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Speaker 2: decision taken by Susan Lee to write to Andrew Hasty
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Speaker 2: last week and in writing to strip out any responsibility
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Speaker 2: that he has for immigration, and he'd had it since May.
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Speaker 2: She put him in the job of Home Affairs. He'd
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Speaker 2: been running immigration until May. She's taken that off him.
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Speaker 2: And people like to say, like Andrew Bragg and others
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Speaker 2: that punters out there don't really care about this issue.
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Speaker 3: Who's right and who's wrong.
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Speaker 15: Well, it's a battle of the two Andrews here and
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Speaker 15: one's one's wrong. Andrew Bragg is wrong. And Andrew Bragg
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Speaker 15: to even suggest that the high levels of migration not
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Speaker 15: having an impact on the average Australian out there is
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Speaker 15: just a misread of the public. Number one. We know
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Speaker 15: that the immigration numbers have been put on steroids under
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Speaker 15: this Labor government, but they're also high during the Coalitions
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Speaker 15: period of leadership as well. And there are streams coming
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Speaker 15: from the public right now who can barely afford to
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Speaker 15: get into a rental and save the money that it
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Speaker 15: takes to get into a property as well. I don't
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Speaker 15: think the bloodshedding is done yet. I think it may
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Speaker 15: have happened from a shadow ministry side of things. But
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Speaker 15: I think that there is a well I've heard it
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Speaker 15: firsthand from some of those within the moderates. They want
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Speaker 15: to see these people gone all together, not just from
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Speaker 15: the Shadow Ministry, but from Parliament altogether.
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Speaker 5: So Theiner Prices, the.
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Speaker 15: Matt Canavans, the Alexantiks, the Barnaby Joyces, Justinder Price, they
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Speaker 15: want them gone to all together. They don't want to
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Speaker 15: see them anymore because they see them as a disruption.
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Speaker 3: To the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 15: So and you know what that breeds though, Peter. With
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Speaker 15: no real true conservatives within the Liberal Party, you only
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Speaker 15: get more moderate candidates running, you get less donations for
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Speaker 15: a political party that's hemorrhaging support, and you get less
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Speaker 15: volunteers on those piling birds. The Liberal Party have got
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Speaker 15: a very serious problem by getting rid of they're only left,
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Speaker 15: they're only remaining Conservatives.
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Speaker 3: Well we know what that looks like.
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Speaker 2: That's the UK Tory Party, Nick, I mean, and there
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Speaker 2: is a Bible alternity there with reform, and they have
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Speaker 2: led votes to the point that they're almost irrelevant.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, look at the Conservative reform split in Britain is
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Speaker 16: pretty much what is happening now internally in the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 16: You've got the teel adjacent cosmopolitans on the one hand,
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Speaker 16: and patriotic conservatives in suburban and out of regional Australia
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Speaker 16: on the other. And that's what's happening now. There has
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Speaker 16: to be there has to be an agreement, There has
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Speaker 16: to be a compact between the two of those groups.
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Speaker 16: If the Liberals have got any chance of governing in
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Speaker 16: their own right. I think they're not in an existential crisis,
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Speaker 16: but the only one election away from one.
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Speaker 5: They have to.
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Speaker 16: Get this sorted right away because the next election will
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Speaker 16: decide whether they really are a party of government or
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Speaker 16: whether they're just a minor party as the Conservatives are
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Speaker 16: in the UK. So that's the real situation. So this
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Speaker 16: fighting over the prizes at the moment that's going on,
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Speaker 16: this bickering over whether immigration is important or not. Andrew
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Speaker 16: Bragg should actually get out and talk to people, because
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Speaker 16: I tell you, the people I talk to largely actually
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Speaker 16: in out of regional, in regional Australia and in the
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Speaker 16: outer suburbs where I spend a lot of time. Immigration
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Speaker 16: is a red hot issue. Immigration possibly ahead of cost
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Speaker 16: of living, which is saying something and Andrew Bragg really
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Speaker 16: really needs to get out more if he thinks immigration
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Speaker 16: is not an issue in this country.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, I always say that a free advice from a
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Speaker 2: moderate senator is worth what you pay for it. Given
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Speaker 2: they don't have a constituency, they're not out and about.
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Speaker 3: They talk to a focus.
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Speaker 2: Group of just the party insiders who elect them every
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Speaker 2: six years. Talk to me about your surgeon, James One.
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Speaker 2: Nation's primaries up the highest it's been since twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 3: You know, I make the point. I met it earlier
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Speaker 3: with Chris Yielman.
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Speaker 2: The Libs can't win an election unless they've locked in
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Speaker 2: their conservative base.
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Speaker 3: That base is walking to you.
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Speaker 2: They went down the TiAl path with Morrison, they went
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Speaker 2: down the teal path with Turnbull. They've only lost seats
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Speaker 2: since then. They've got all the labor like policies they
47:37
Speaker 2: can have on the table. It's not winning them back
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Speaker 2: these TiAl seats. Surely they've got a see they have
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Speaker 2: to go back to conservative basics to stem this bleed.
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Speaker 15: Well, that and we also don't have any division within
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Speaker 15: our party. We've been very careful and considered when it
47:57
Speaker 15: comes to selecting those people who run in seat. It's
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Speaker 15: not just in the Senate but in the lower House
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Speaker 15: as well. They've got to believe in the value.
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Speaker 2: That was a problem, James, You've got to win. We've
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Speaker 2: also that was a one nation problem for a long time.
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Speaker 2: We've started to fixate.
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Speaker 15: You're right, you're right, we have fixed that over time,
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Speaker 15: which has been very successful. And you know, we've got
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Speaker 15: a united front, whether it be on a state level
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Speaker 15: or federal but also to the policies that we went
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Speaker 15: to the election with made sense. We've made it very
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Speaker 15: clear to people they know where they stand with us.
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Speaker 5: We want out of Paris.
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Speaker 15: We do not want to be a part of the
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Speaker 15: net zero Paris Accord, and we've said that if we
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Speaker 15: either share the balance of power or we ever make
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Speaker 15: it into government, we'll get rid of it. We've said
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Speaker 15: that we want the moratorium lifted on nuclear we want
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Speaker 15: more cal fire power stations built. We want income spitting
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Speaker 15: made available to families. We want to bring back productivity
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Speaker 15: into the workplace and also make sure that energy is cheap.
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Speaker 15: We're just making sensible policy solutions for this country, not
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Speaker 15: just winging about them. We're offering solutions and a lot
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Speaker 15: of people on the conservative side of politics are seeing
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Speaker 15: that from us. So you know, while the Liberal Party
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Speaker 15: are divided and they can't make a decision on whether
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Speaker 15: to stick with net zero or meet halfway. And you know,
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Speaker 15: people are tired of it. They just want decisive people
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Speaker 15: within parliament. And Paulane, to a credit, has thirty years
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Speaker 15: with a history. You may not always agree with what
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Speaker 15: she has to say, but she's got the country's best
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Speaker 15: interest at heart, and so to do all of our
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Speaker 15: other elected members. And that's cutting through with the Australian public.
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Speaker 15: What she said thirty years ago has come to fruition
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Speaker 15: and people are saying, boy, oh boy, why did we
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Speaker 15: not listen to that woman years ago?
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Speaker 2: I got to leave it there amount of time. I
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Speaker 2: think you're spot on. There as a change happening out there,
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Speaker 2: and Nick, you're right the Liberal Party needs to bang
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Speaker 2: a few heads together and get some movement.
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Speaker 3: We've got to leave it there. James E. B. Ferston's
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Speaker 3: up next to see you tomorrow night.
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Speaker 2: Of course, the Parliament's back tomorrow, certainly the lower House is.
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Speaker 3: I'll see you tomorrow at six
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