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Patriots Unfiltered 4/4: AFC East Offseason Updates, NFL Draft Best Fits on Offense for New England · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: Welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is a rainy and windy
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  Speaker 2: Thursday here at Jillets Stadium. Hail, hail some places, snow
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  Speaker 5: of rain. Yeah, it seems like snow up north. But
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  Speaker 5: thank god, April, what's going on?
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  Speaker 3: Hate it?
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  Speaker 2: It's it's crazy. Well at least it's not snow for us.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, well hail, I mean that's pretty close. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: slippery must fell almost fell a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: I couldn't even take the dog out this morning.
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  Speaker 5: But right as I was leaving the house that I'm
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  Speaker 3: Like it's like that kind of weird weather where it's rain,
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  Speaker 3: it's ale, it's the wind. Sleep.
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  Speaker 5: Sleep, what's the difference between sleet and hail?
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  Speaker 3: Sleep?
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  Speaker 2: Those balls balls yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And you were like contractually obligated to say it's like
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  Speaker 3: golf ball size. Hey, that wasn't quite unless it's really
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  Speaker 3: bad at softball size. Oh no, No, it wasn't that big.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't that big.
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  Speaker 2: But weather cliches great weather talk cats and dogs.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a little slippery on one twenty eight.
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  Speaker 3: I will say I think it was more because of
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  Speaker 3: the wind. It was sort of you know, veering you
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  Speaker 3: off course a little bit, and then there was a
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  Speaker 3: lot of slush on the road. But luckily we didn't
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  Speaker 3: get really any snow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't stick in Peabody anyway, right because of
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  Speaker 2: the ocean.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, Peoboty is not like ocean side. All right, Salem,
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  Speaker 3: big news yesterday. It's it's and it's Paul, it's me.
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  Speaker 3: It's jewel in that in the booth. Stefan Diggs. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: moving out, thank god.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people said they'd never trade him. And
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  Speaker 2: I know, Paul, you don't think that the bills are revamping.
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  Speaker 3: But they are. And I didn't say they're not revamping.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly what I said they are doing. I said
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  Speaker 3: it's not cap related.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't say that.
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  Speaker 3: No, but that, But that's what I said. Didn't say
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  Speaker 3: what you said. This is, this is I want different
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  Speaker 3: guys on my team.
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  Speaker 2: Other than Josh Allen was starting over right.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty much. They want to change out some guys on
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  Speaker 3: their team. Yes, they're moving on from guys. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if they're doing the right thing. I'm not trying
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  Speaker 3: to like argue on Buffalo's behalf behalf, But this has
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  Speaker 3: nothing to do with like cap casualties, which they're almost
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  Speaker 3: always portrayed as. No, I'm not saying that's what I push.
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  Speaker 3: It's actually cost. They wanted him off the team so
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  Speaker 3: bad they were willing to pay an extra three million
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  Speaker 3: on the cap, which is further proof. Yeah, that the
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  Speaker 3: cap doesn't matter. It's the saving.
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  Speaker 2: This is not money related.
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  Speaker 3: They are saving a lot of money.
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  Speaker 2: This is we don't think we can do it with
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  Speaker 2: this roster, and we're gonna redo our roster. That's how
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  Speaker 2: I read it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I read it that they're looking at
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  Speaker 3: this wide receiver. But I said the day before the
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  Speaker 3: league year started.
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  Speaker 5: I mean they, I mean, I don't know what the
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  Speaker 5: rather needs are off the top of my head, but
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  Speaker 5: with this wide receiver class, we've talked plenty about like
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  Speaker 5: they're gonna probably get a first round pick with a
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  Speaker 5: fifth round fifth year option, and then maybe they get
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  Speaker 5: another one down in the third round and they'll have
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  Speaker 5: all of a sudden, you know, two guys I don't
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  Speaker 5: know if they'll hit or not, but.
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  Speaker 2: A young So I make fun I say, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the windows closing in the They've closed the window and
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  Speaker 2: now they're going to reopen it with new people.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, take a half step back and then you know,
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  Speaker 5: recalibrate around Josh Allen while he's still young, and give
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  Speaker 5: them some guys that will be under rookie contracts for
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  Speaker 5: you know, a couple of years. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's it's I mean, I give them credit, you know,
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  Speaker 5: to kind of have the you know, courage to blow
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  Speaker 5: it up a little bit, maybe before they could have
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  Speaker 5: wrote it out one more year with Diggs.
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  Speaker 2: And I hear people say, well, that's what the Patriot
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  Speaker 2: should be doing. They don't have a Stefan Diggs to
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  Speaker 2: move for assets. They don't have the people that are
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  Speaker 2: worth getting rid of that you can you know, get
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  Speaker 2: the assets for you might as well resign these guys.
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  Speaker 2: They're not in the same boat. No, and then the
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  Speaker 2: Bills in the Patriot.
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  Speaker 5: And then you look at Houston, who you know, was
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  Speaker 5: drafted well with a couple of their you know, receivers
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  Speaker 5: that they brought in, and now they're at the place
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  Speaker 5: where let's get that final piece to really you know,
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  Speaker 5: make it all click into place. So you see the
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  Speaker 5: directions that the two teams are going. I don't think
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  Speaker 5: the Patriots are in position of either of those teams.
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  Speaker 5: You hope to be one day, but.
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  Speaker 2: Every team is going through the same exercise where they're
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  Speaker 2: evaluating their roster and how close are we are we
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  Speaker 2: not close? You know? Do we need to revamp? Do
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  Speaker 2: we Is it just a couple of pieces in the Patriots,
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  Speaker 2: you know position, there's a lot of holes that they
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  Speaker 2: need to fill, but they're doing it. And to me
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  Speaker 2: this the Bills are clearly saying we need to revamp,
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  Speaker 2: we need we need new people.
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  Speaker 5: Just said but do you guys think the timing was
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  Speaker 5: weird of this? Like why it happened?
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  Speaker 3: Now?
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  Speaker 5: That was my only kind of is that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, maybe they were talking at the owners
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  Speaker 5: meet to really hash it out last week, maybe, but
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  Speaker 5: it just.
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  Speaker 3: Seems like a weird little draft gets close, I think
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  Speaker 3: you sort of start to figure out what exactly you
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  Speaker 3: want to do, you want to get it done.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's some there's some trades like Tyreek Hill I
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  Speaker 4: think got traded around this time from the Chiefs to
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  Speaker 4: the Dolphins. So it's not to I think Paul's right.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you're really your hay is in the barn
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  Speaker 4: for the most part when it comes to the draft.
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  Speaker 4: So if you're like a couple of these guys in
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  Speaker 4: the draft, then you you're feeling good about replacing Stefan
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  Speaker 4: Diggs that way. So now you decide, all right, well
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  Speaker 4: we'll move on or whatever. But I give the Bills
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  Speaker 4: some credit to for realizing that they've plateaued with this
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  Speaker 4: core and saying it just it's not good enough and
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  Speaker 4: we need to restart. I don't know how the coach
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  Speaker 4: survived that, Like, I still don't really understand that piece
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  Speaker 4: of it. But I think for both teams, the Bills
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  Speaker 4: and the Texans, it just shows when you have the
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  Speaker 4: quarterback the Bills are looking at and like, well, Josh
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  Speaker 4: Allen will make anybody better. So we're just gonna draft
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  Speaker 4: a receiver in the first round and he's gonna make
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  Speaker 4: Adie Mitchell as good as defund or if you're the Texans,
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  Speaker 4: you're saying, we have the quarterback, so let's put ourselves
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  Speaker 4: over the top by adding Steffans. The Patriots don't have
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  Speaker 4: the quarterbacks, so they can't be in either boat. They
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  Speaker 4: can't be the team trading away the receiver talent and
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  Speaker 4: they can't be the team acquiring the receiver talent.
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  Speaker 5: Yep, it's got to be the team trying to draft
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  Speaker 5: the quarterback talent.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully.
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  Speaker 2: So now, what do you think about the narrative that
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  Speaker 2: I heard yesterday? The AFC East now is wide open.
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  Speaker 3: I don't really understand that mentality, No, I mean not
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  Speaker 3: for the Patriots. I mean the Patriots are at the
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  Speaker 3: very least looking up.
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  Speaker 5: I mean maybe it's a little bit more wide open
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  Speaker 5: for the Jets and the Dolphins with.
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  Speaker 3: Good teams in the division. I mean, I don't really
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  Speaker 3: understand what changes because you lose a receiver, Like I
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  Speaker 3: read a lot of it, and this is one of
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  Speaker 3: your rare not a straw man. Actually actually saw the
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  Speaker 3: same stuff that you did, and I just scratched my
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  Speaker 3: head wondering what people think this team is by comparison
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  Speaker 3: to Miami Buffalo and the Jets in terms of personnel,
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  Speaker 3: I definitely don't understand.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't close the gap for the Patriots, but I
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  Speaker 4: do think that the Bills will take a step back.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it's not just Stefan Diggs. They gave up
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  Speaker 4: half their defense also, you know, I mean, they gave
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  Speaker 4: a lot of their veteran players and the defense side
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  Speaker 4: of the ball too.
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  Speaker 3: But they've replaced them with players that they think that
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  Speaker 3: they are going to be better off with. Are you
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  Speaker 3: now again, I don't know if they're right.
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  Speaker 2: This is not a They've replaced them with people I
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  Speaker 2: think in the long term, who they think they're going
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  Speaker 2: to be better off with.
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  Speaker 4: This just feels like it feels so Bridge year Patriots
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  Speaker 4: to me, where you know nine type of Patriots?
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  Speaker 3: Where where instead of going twelve before, you go eleven
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  Speaker 3: and five? Correct, because that's what it feels like to me.
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  Speaker 3: Correct and and suddenly it's but you realize the wheels.
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  Speaker 4: Are off, but you realize that the team is not
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  Speaker 4: championship caliber, whereas I think Buffalo just choked.
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  Speaker 3: So in terms of Super Bowl caliber, I would agree
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  Speaker 3: with you. In terms of AFC East champion caliber, someone's
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  Speaker 3: got to do it first interesting right before I do
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  Speaker 3: you thrown them interesting too.
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  Speaker 5: Its just to watch Josh Allen have to adjust without
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  Speaker 5: I mean losing Gabe Davis and and Diggs. I mean
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  Speaker 5: those guys have been distrust during the drink for the
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  Speaker 5: last few years. You you know, you still have Kinkaid
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  Speaker 5: and Dalton called h Dalton Keene.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Shakiir is going to have a lot
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  Speaker 3: on his play. But I evin't made a point about
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  Speaker 3: what teams like that do, and this is what comes
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  Speaker 3: with that responsibility. Kansas City just did it, and I
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  Speaker 3: don't think that Josh Allen's Patrick comes but this is
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  Speaker 3: what good teams do. When you have that guy. You
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  Speaker 3: have to make good decisions and ones that maybe I
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  Speaker 3: bet if you ask Sean McDermott, he would have said,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, we can ride this out one more
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  Speaker 3: year with Steph. But it's probably not the right thing
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  Speaker 3: to do, you know, And you have a quarterback that
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  Speaker 3: should be able to take just say a d Mitchell.
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  Speaker 3: You should be able to take Mitchell and Shakir and
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  Speaker 3: be Okay, You're not going to be great, But you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think the tight ends were a bigger part of it.
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  Speaker 3: Last year with Kincaid. I think they ran the ball
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  Speaker 3: more with Cook last year. In the second half of
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  Speaker 3: the season, They're probably looking at it as like, maybe
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  Speaker 3: we don't have to have a guy catch one hundred
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  Speaker 3: and ten passes, you know.
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  Speaker 4: And then them out and throw his holme. And if
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  Speaker 4: you look at the best Petrion time, you're way ahead
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  Speaker 4: of the curve on this. But anybody not that.
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  Speaker 3: I not that I disagreed with you in terms of
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  Speaker 3: describing him the way you decide it. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: he's a jerk off the field, but he certainly is
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  Speaker 3: every bit the diva wide receiver that we see. But
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  Speaker 3: if you look at the second half of the season,
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  Speaker 3: when they played their best football, Steph Diggs was an afterthought.
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  Speaker 2: He was.
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  Speaker 3: Now there's a big difference between your numbers going down
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  Speaker 3: and completely removing him. I get that. Yeah, So maybe
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  Speaker 3: Shakir was playing well because Steph Diggs is occupying coverage
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  Speaker 3: on the other side. You can't That's something that's hard
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  Speaker 3: to quantify and you don't know what until you do it.
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  Speaker 3: But the fact of the matter is when they played
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  Speaker 3: their best football last year, he was an afterthought in
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  Speaker 3: the offense.
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  Speaker 5: I mean I think, to me, the Jets are the
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  Speaker 5: team that should be looking at this like okay, like
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  Speaker 5: you know, they they might have taken a little bit
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  Speaker 5: of a step back, and they've got all these one
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  Speaker 5: year deals. Aaron Rodgers close to the end like this
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  Speaker 5: to me is the move to the Jets.
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  Speaker 2: But if Aaron Rodgers plays well, I'm scared of the Jets.
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  Speaker 3: Sure they beat us last year.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm not just talking about us, I'm talking
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  Speaker 2: about the league.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they they they.
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  Speaker 2: Can make a run, and they've got some talent on
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  Speaker 2: that team.
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  Speaker 3: He gets to the playoffs and checks right, it is
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  Speaker 3: a good team. You're right, Yeah, I'm teasing you.
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  Speaker 2: But the other the other a FC power could we
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  Speaker 2: see a crack a Fisher in the damn with the
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  Speaker 2: Rashid Rice situation?
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  Speaker 3: Oh would have took their news on that?
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  Speaker 4: Well, they admitted that he's he's probably he's probably gonna
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  Speaker 4: get his slap on the ris suspension.
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  Speaker 3: You think so maybe a month? Maybe four games? Okay,
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  Speaker 3: you think he's going to get suspended for that? I
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  Speaker 3: think so. Do people die?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 3: But I mean it's alcohol, alcohol involved. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: But after the Henry Ruggs thing, I just think it's
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  Speaker 4: a bad look for the league overall to have these
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  Speaker 4: guys out there drag racing. So he's going to get
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  Speaker 4: reprimanded somehow.
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  Speaker 2: From Actually, if alcohol was involved, he might have done
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  Speaker 2: the smartest thing he could have done and by leaving
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  Speaker 2: the scene, right.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean, you know, if legally alcohol is involved,
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  Speaker 3: then he's got to get suspended.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they can't. They he wasn't tested, They couldn't
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  Speaker 2: find him till the next day, so there's no proof
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  Speaker 2: of that.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think it's the same thing with the Bills.
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  Speaker 5: As you know, there's a good receiver class, and when
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  Speaker 5: you have Patrick Mahomes, you feel like you're already ahead
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  Speaker 5: of the game and you're gonna draft one of these
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  Speaker 5: kids anywhere from the first three rounds that you know
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  Speaker 5: has some speed, and all of a sudden boom, you
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  Speaker 5: know you've got another piece to kind of play with.
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  Speaker 2: When you have great teams like the Patriots or the Chiefs,
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  Speaker 2: you look for signs that guys are doing dumb things.
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  Speaker 4: And Stefan Diggs was he was disgruntled, like he was
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  Speaker 4: a deva receiver that that was disgruntled. I mean, he
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  Speaker 4: was openly disgruntled, you know, in the media and stuff
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  Speaker 4: like that and on Twitter, like tweeting, you know, we'll
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  Speaker 4: see what they what the bills would be without Steffan Diggs,
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  Speaker 4: you know that type of stuff, like even before he
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  Speaker 4: got traded. So I he here's a problem. But I
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  Speaker 4: look at the receiver class too, and you know, all
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  Speaker 4: of us, I think would would be excited if the
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  Speaker 4: Patriots traded for T Higgins or made one of these
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  Speaker 4: splash receiver trades. But clearly the league loves the receiver
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  Speaker 4: class just as much as everybody else does, because all
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  Speaker 4: they got was the twenty twenty five second round pick
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  Speaker 4: for Stefan Diggs. And I wonder what the asking really,
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  Speaker 4: what's out there right now for T Higgins. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you're gonna have to trade for him, and you're gonna
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  Speaker 4: have to pay him one hundred million dollars and give
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  Speaker 4: him a contract extension. And I think a lot of
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  Speaker 4: teams that especially teams that are good at drafting receivers,
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  Speaker 4: are gonna sit there and say, well, I mean I
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  Speaker 4: can have Kean Coleman, or I can have Xavier Lagette,
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  Speaker 4: or I could have you know whoever at thirty four
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  Speaker 4: instead of trading and then paying an older T Higgins.
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  Speaker 4: I think that the receiver market this year, outside of
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  Speaker 4: Calvin Ridley's contract, has been very, very poor because of
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  Speaker 4: this class.
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  Speaker 2: I read somewhere else where somebody said that the Bengals
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  Speaker 2: are clearly all in because they're not moving T Higgins,
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  Speaker 2: they're keeping him. They're all in.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's probably what's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, draft could spur some movement, but I think.
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  Speaker 3: He's probably gonna stay with the Bengals.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, real quick, though, Fred, I thought what you were
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  Speaker 5: gonna say was the vote about the stadium in Kansas City.
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: That's you know, that's a good one, Mike. I was
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: going to bring that up because they turned down the
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: public funding in Kansas City, so.
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: So that Kansas might make a play, yeah for the Chiefs, but.
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: I was going to bring that up in relation to
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: what the Bills are doing. You know, they're building a stadium,
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: and I think I'm not sure if it's fully passed.
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: The money that they're getting, and now you're kind of
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: retooling in the midst.
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: Of that, is that risky?
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: You know, I guess as long as you have Josh Allen,
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: you know, it's okay, but you know, you're getting rid
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: of players, and you know, do fans look at this
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: as you know, Oh, it's going to be a reset.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: It's going to take a few years before that we
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: get back to where we were.
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: You know, it's maybe I'm whistling past the graveyard. I
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: just don't see like all that big of a change.
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: As long as yeah, Alan, and as long as just
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: like Kansas City and I said.
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: It, yeah a million times is as long as he's healthy,
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: they're going to have Kansas City will have a chance
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: to win the super Bowl every year. Now, maybe Buffalo
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: is not at that level because Allen's not at that
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: Mahomes level. But as long as they have Alan, they
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: will be a threat in the playoffs every year. Yeah. Yeah,
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: maybe it's a notch down from the super Bowl because
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: he ate Mahomes. No one else is either.
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: I just look at the defense side of the ball.
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: They broke up that safety tandem. They already had lost
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: Tremaine Edmonds a couple of off seasons ago. There's just
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: a lot of new faces on that defense.
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: McDermott's a good defensive coach, so maybe he just makes
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: it work on his own. It's not so much Digs,
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: because I think that they can replace Diggs and Alan
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: is that good that he'll just elevate the offense by himself.
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: But defensively, they've have been really, really good on that
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: side of the ball really since McDermott took over.
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: I think what's interesting to me too, was last year.
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: You know, we talked a lot about going into that
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: season where the big conversation point with Buffalo was trying
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: to get Josh Allen to kind of you know, I
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: don't want to say play it safe, but along those lines,
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: and you know, I wonder if that's gonna be even
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: harder for him this year now that he's got some
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: new pieces that he might not trust the same way.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: The percentage of targets that Diggs had compared to the
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: rest of the.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: Office had to be overwhelmed.
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: Not this past year, but two years ago it was.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: He was one of the target share is one of
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: the highest in the league this past year because the
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: last half of the season when they switched coordinators, he
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: kind of got phased out. So that was a big
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: reason why he was pissed off.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so disgruntled.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah all right, Yeah, but you mentioned in Kansas City,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: they turned down the renovation. I mean, I don't know
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: if that's that big a story, you know, good for them, Yeah, no,
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: I agree these owners have to.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: I don't really agree with public funding.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: No, it's true. I mean, and you know, we live
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: in a state where nobody's in favor of it. And
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: you know, Robert Kraft had a you know, this is
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: a long time ago, but had to finance this thing.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: All he got was like seventy million for infrastructure, which
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: he had to pay back. So like he got no
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: money for the stadium basically compared to some of these
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: other places where it's to the point where the team
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: doesn't really even own the stadium. They just have a
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: sweetheart lease and it's run by the municipality.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Chargers, right, you know them too they explicit.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, look at Buffalo. Buffalo's stadium is I think
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: one point four billion and eight hundred and fifty million
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: is coming from the state and then the palu because
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: are footing the rest of it. So it's the seventy
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: five percent of it is is state owned.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Right you know, So do you really own it when
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: the state, you know, I know, like the Texans don't
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: own that stadium. You know, there's a lot of teams
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: that the Giants I think they have most of it.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: But that's also you know, the New Jersey Convention Authority, right,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I get taxpayers saying no, you know, we know how
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: much money you're making.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: Well, that was I mean, we spend a lot of time,
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: you know, talking about the Patriots in that poll, but
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: I mean the ownership for the Chiefs was pretty poorly
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: rated too, which was really, you know, just surprising to me.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: You think teams are winning, that's what what pans care about.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's when you do the vote is after
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: you win a Super Bowl, and even then it didn't pass, you.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Know, yeah, yeah, Well I wonder how much that survey
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: had to do with it, because you know, it's obviously
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: the players that are you know, answering those questions. If
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: if the fans of the team are looking at and say, well,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: all of our guys they don't like, they don't like
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: the owners because the owners promised to do X, Y
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: and Z, and instead he upgraded his suite. I'm sure
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: you guys have seen that. Well, and then he never
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: he didn't really do a lot of the things that
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: he said he was going to do.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: His background to that because no, no, no, because when
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: when when Hunt first bought the team, he was from
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Texas and he literally built a two level suite that
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: he lived in at the stadium. So that was already
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: there and they just kind of refurbished it.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they added a story. Yeah one, But like you know,
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: so it's not like Swift. It's one thing to do
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: that while you're doing all the things that your players
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: are telling you need to be upgraded. They didn't. Well,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: according to them, I don't know the inner work.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: So I put my own I'll put my management hat
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: on and say, yeah, we don't want to throw money
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: into the stadium because we want a new stadium. That's
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: what we want to do.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: But again, it's okay to refurbish my suite.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean that's one little part. I'm I'm
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: sure that's probably overblown.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: I think if you saw it, you would say it
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: was one little bit.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: But my point is it was already had a spiral staircase,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: and it was already you know, an elaborate suite as
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: suites go, you know, and they just they made it better. Yeah,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: it's oh, it's.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: A whole house. It's three I believe it's three stories,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: like a New York City apartment.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: It is the owner, literally, the original owner, Lamar Hunt,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: actually lived there.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: And I don't hold it against them that he has
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: it like that. That part of it is not really
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: relevant to the It's that he decided this was the
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: time I'm gonna upgrade it. Well, evidently the locker room
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: is a mess.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: That's what you guys have been there though. How was
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: that stadium?
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Over all?
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: It's it's an you know, they tried to do some
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: renovations a few years ago. I guess they made some
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: areas better, the press box, for one, But it's an
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: old state.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: It's awesome old.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like Fenway. You're putting lipstick on a pig,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: But you it's just it's way nicer.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: It feels like such a football atmosphere though you don't
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: get in the NFL like it's almost like a college.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: That was kind of Yes, no doubt.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: I'm not positive it was actually the first, but I
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: think it was like the first like sort of modern
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: football bowl stadium like that. That's the way they built it.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: It's a great place. It really is now it's all
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: It's time has come. I understand why they want to.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: The only thing that's bad about it is that the
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: press box is like built on top of the three
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: hundred level of the stadium, and it's like you can
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: tell that it's it was like separate, you know, like
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: it was built like afterthought. Yeah, it was like you know,
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: like like you're at one of those amusement parks that
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: like just picks up sticks and moves all the time,
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: and I'm just like, I don't want to be up here.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: This is is Buffalo getting there? Are they going to
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: be an indoor team? Are they getting a door? They're
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: gonna be a.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Outdoor There was a petition to be a dome. I
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: thought it was no.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: I don't think so. No, but they there's some of
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: the fan base and wanted it to be a dome
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: because that's the type of team they are, you know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen and you throw the ball fifty times and
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: be inside and not worry about the weather.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: I guess it's hard.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I've kind of like it.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I think it's a huge advantage for them because he
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: can throw the ball in any weather and teams come
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: in there and can't.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I've changed my tune over the years about domes. I
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: used to be really anti dome. There's football, but now
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: it's like you're charging so much money, and you know,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: it's such a TV product.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: People are going to games and dying welles.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: But you know that's just stupidity. But you know, I
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: kind of I don't. I'm not so anti dome as
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: I used to be.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't love domes. I'll admit it. But
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: it's not because of you know, like the Andy Hart,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: you know, Iron game, Like I you know, I would
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: rather watch a game outdoors. But there's certainly games like
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: the Jets game last year when you're slogging through all
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: the snow to try to get you know, it wouldn't
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: be bad if we were in a dome.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: It separates coaches. Yeah, I love good coaches can adapt.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: I love everything about domes. Yeah, like when we go
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: to the Raiders in Vegas, I'm.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Because it control controls all.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: This is this is it, this is what I want,
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: open air, press box, dome, steady. It's fantastic, like and yes,
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: because I don't want to go watch the elements have
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: a factor in the game that it becomes six to
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: nothing in a rainstorm against the Chargers.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: I'd much rather watch good football. So I see, I
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: feel that way. I've long felt that way, and I'm
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: surprised actually to hear Fred sort of changes tune.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe because I'm getting older, because.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Old I don't like extreme weather games. Now I don't mind.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Like outdoors in general is fine, except for when it's
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: like the Kansas City Miami playoff game like that to me,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: a survival of the fittest, Like that's no fin right,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: you know, like what did you really do today?
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: It's like the perfect world you could have both in
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: each stadium and you know you're out open air in
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: the fall, and then as it gets cold and you
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: know you want to prevent those games.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: I mean it's head surrandoerus, the retractable roof.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I just like, you know, some people say, oh,
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: you know, the men from the Boys thing, or like
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: the coaching, you know, like the win game, like the
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: coaching mat To me, the coaching is when you actually
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: get to like scheme things up and actually call plays,
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: because that's harder to do than to just have run
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: the ball sixty times in a wind storm.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: It's not it's not about like a coaching like dominance
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: because the weather prevented teams from playing to the best
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: of their ability. Yeah, so good weather talk on the
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: show Good Weather.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of weather, all web.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: It's ridiculous that we're in the first week of April
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: and we're talking about like this level of a storm.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know why we live here.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, we've always had storms like this. I remember April first.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Remember the April Fools snowstorm that got.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: I think I was in high school. Yeah it was.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: I think it was maybe two years ago that we
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: got snow at this time of year, like an actual snowstorm.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't remember.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: All right, Uh, phones are still down. You know, we're
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: still waiting for a new phone system. I don't know
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: when that's gonna happen. Matt sprung on me today. I
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: needed another new piece of equipment to make it work.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Is it a telephone?
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we need to call my defense.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I warned we would need equipment. I just didn't send
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: the link. Take that little wire with the clip and
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: you put it in the phone jack needed, Pa, Why
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: don't you just give out yourself people speaker.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: Right, I don't think I want the p listeners having
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: my personal cell phone. No, you don't want about your
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: work on you know what I mean to Eldrick.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Dues, wake up. I had a thought, Paul, I disagree
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: with you like I'm trying to eat dinner. You can't
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: even call it. To defend himself, he will right, oh
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: not today somehow? All right?
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: What else before we go to emails and what else?
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: All that stuff I've just I haven't seen the whole thing,
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: but but I thought Julie Edelman and Ernie.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Adams was pretty funny, fantastic, good good call that was.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: That was excellent, unbelievably Friday Night Lights, Ernie directing buzz Bissinger,
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: which randomly had come up show Buzzy Buzzy. He calls
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: him Buzzy, which I had no idea that he was
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: with those guys.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Frequent training care. He is, okay.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: So it's it's very long, it's almost three hours. But
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: I listened to it yesterday when I on my way home,
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: and it's it is fantastic, Like it is as good
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: as it gets for football content that isn't like direct
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: football content. Him talking about just all the things that
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: they talked about that obviously the Friday Night Lights thing
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: was really cool. He talked a little bit about the
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Niners in the Super Bowl and their decision and what
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: he would have done, which is what he did here,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: So that was really cool. He talked about meeting Bill
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Belichick for the first time and how they became friends.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, it was just that guy does he should
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: be a Hall of Famer in my book anyways, but
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: like he's also hall of famer when it comes to
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: do and stuff like that. Like he was fantastic.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I could see a lot of people now saying, oh,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: we need to get Ernie Adams as a guest because.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: He's so quirky and interesting.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: But he's got so much information.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: I just encourage everybody to go into the archives podcast.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Is there hats from the past? Ernie Adams was a
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: tremendous guest. Yeah.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Like a lot of other things, Yes, we have done.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: That talking about you know, defenses and you know, playing
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: with leverage and you know the basics of you know,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: what you do when it's cover five or something like that,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: and like the way he explains it, like him and Bill,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: it was just probably so obvious.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was that was one where they were Julian
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: was talking about playing defensive back and he just like,
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: just don't.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Lose your leverage.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: And then they started talking about Kansas City about all
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: of a sudden they go to cover five and like,
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: what are you guys doing that?
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Just that stuff? Thank you? Interesting? Yeah that was the.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: Best part, right, Yeah, yeah, he was great. It was
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: It's long, so you gotta have time to be able
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: to sit down and watch the whole thing, but it's
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: worth it.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good stuff. What's the name of Julian's podcast?
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Games with Names? Yeah? Games with Names?
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Games with Names? Highly recommended.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you got an Ernie T shirt too that he
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: dropped out. Is that name kind of like what you
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: and I always talk about, like all the Patriots games
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: have names? Or is it just that's a.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: Good question, Paul, I've been wondering exactly.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I think that's what it's referring, because, you know what.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Mike and I have that big joke that we can
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: just rattle off two dozen games that have names.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: I'm ashamed because you're probably right, and I was like,
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: I'm like, what does that mean?
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Is it like I'm playing with famous people?
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: It's the snow game, it's the there's the.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Wind immaculate reception. There's the like Brandon Cook's game, there's
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: the Harper's Muff game. Right, there's the Mortar Kick game.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Like they have a lot of names. Yeah, you know that.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: All you have to do is say one thing in
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Patriots fans know the game you're talking about, right.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: That's how just legendary the run was. Was that, like
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: there's just so many of them and we all watched them,
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: and we were all there till like it's crazy, and
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Ernie just does a great job of talking about it
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: from like there's nobody more other than maybe Bill that's
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: more educated on what went on here for that period
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: of time. So that part of it, I just think
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: it's fantastic.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: The thing that occurred to me most, you know, listening
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: to some of it was what a loss it was
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: for Bill when Ernie retired, Like he really was part
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: of his brain and he lost part of his brain
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: when Ernie left.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: It was at least somebody who saw the game the
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: same way as him and and clearly had a respectable
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: relationship with him, where he could, you know, chime in
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: on that headset and say Bill, you know, wrap it out.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: And Bill was you know instantly new he was right.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: I mean that he go back to high school with
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: the guy that the shorthand that they had together. So yeah,
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: another another aspect. I think that certainly didn't help things
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: the last couple of years.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: This talk about the Super Bowl decision to kick or
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: not kick at an overtime was interesting. And he brought
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: up the fact that if you go second and you
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: know you need something, then you have fourth down, right,
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: And I think that, you know, that was his whole thing,
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: was like you can call your drive knowing that you
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: have four downs, so it makes it even easier in
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: his mind to.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: The first time kicking off. Yeah.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So and he said that he him and Bill
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: had already been thinking about the strategy of what they
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: would do before the rule even passed, because they knew
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: the rule was coming, so they had already been talking
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: back and forth about what would you do, how would
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: we approach this, that sort of thing.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: That's why I would love to have Ernie and Bill
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: think about this new kickoff arrangement and what what they
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: would do. I'm sure Bill already has to.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: So when normal people say that that was done with
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: San Francisco did which blew up on Twitter right as
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: it happened. Right, that's nothing. No if Bill and but Ernie.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: Mustache, you're like, oh, this is kind of fun.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I didn't.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't think that I like And he
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: actually said, it's the first time that you should like that,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: you should kick something like that. Interesting that we kicked
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: away a super Bowl kicking in overtime.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Oh jas well they also took the wind and that
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: worked out.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well it really it really didn't that that went
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: back and forth three times. They punt died and finally
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: a punt hit a guy in a leg and the
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Patriots took over and in field goal the game. But
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: they cost themselves to the Super Bowl by doing that
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: in fifteen. I'm much more upset about that.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what's going on all right, web radio pages.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: It's just like the hero worship is ridiculous. Like the
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: most obvious thing which happened live at the time that
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: everybody said. He comes on a podcast and says and
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: it's like mind blown, like it's just ridiculous, Like everybody
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: know Shanahan screwed up. Everybody knew what before it happened. Yeah,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: he does. And the one thing.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: I'm not as strongly on it as Paul is, but
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Ernie does like to talk out of both sides of
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: his mouth a little bit, where like he's not an
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: analytics nerd, but he is an analytics nerd, you know,
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: and like these nerds don't know. And it's like, but
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: wait a second, to your your title here was director
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: of Football Research, and what you did for the Patriots
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: was analytics, but not those analytics. It's my analytics, you know,
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: And like those people don't know what they're talking about.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I did.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Like when we talk about like value with contracts, the
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: Patriots didn't just pull that out of their butts. They
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: had models that projected like this is what we think
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: this guy is worth. What do you think all these
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: nerds are doing in all these front offices now? But
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: if you asked Ernie, nerds don't know why they're doing.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: It's the same thing like Paul saying.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: It's like it's like Ernie just like you go to
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: a spreadsheet and it comes spits this out, but Ernie
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: just like processes it and he just says it like,
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: you know, that's like.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Clock management, right, I don't need a spreadsheet, right, you know,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: I would love, you know, before the game and you know,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: the two teams would be out warming up and you know,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: going through their you know, run throughs or their walkthroughs
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: before the game, and Ernie would stand with his back
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: to the Patriots and just watch the other team. And
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I always wondered, like, what information are you getting, Like
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: is it isn't useful or.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Or you know, oh I know, and obviously thought it
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: was minutia. Probably Well, you're looking to see the formations
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: what they're doing, because that's generally what the game plan
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: is going to be. Yeah, like yeah, okay, that they
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: ran thirty plays before the game and twenty of them
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: were out of you know, three wide receiver sets.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: But you know even that you would do that and
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: give away your game plan.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Well, you're not really expecting the other team to be
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: looking like the way he used to do it. That's
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: why he got in a fight in Buffalo.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: And I find that too, like why wouldn't you.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: That's why did you ever see? Like the teams the
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: way they line up when they do that, it's to
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: block the other team from being able to see you.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Except for the Patriots would have a guy in the
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: opposite end zone, which is why Buffalo wanted to fight
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: them in Buffalo. It was happened like five years ago.
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you think he's watching like the kickers, the ball
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: comes off their foots, what their range is.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: So Lee Johnson remember Lee Johnson punter. Yeah, he used
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: to say this is guy like this guy who was
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: just like just watching me kick. He's got creepy he's
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: got these big glasses. Do you remember this Fred Johnson.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: He's like, I don't know what he's doing, but every kick,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: he's watching me kick. He's looking down, he's at me.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: He's watching me kick every single kick. You know, I'm like,
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: what is this guy doing? What is he looking at?
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: What does he want? He got cut like shortly thereafter.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Now what fascinating guy.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: The last straw for Lee Johnson was that Chargers game
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: in O one that Brady led them back to, you know,
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: with the late score. He mishandled a snap and like
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: sort of served it up on a platter for a touchdown.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: That's what put the Patriots behind by ten, like in
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: the fourth quarter, and that was it. I think he
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: got cut the next week, but he's just he goes,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: why is this guy staring at me?
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: All the time.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: He's always watching me. I think they got Josh Miller
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: twirling his mustache. I like Ernie. Ernie was a lot
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: of fun with no socks, and I when we did
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: the podcast more so he was. He was better off air.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: And I know people always you know why, you know,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: why didn't you have the best stuff? But he just
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: he was much more personable and fun off air. Yeah,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: on Airy was very straight forward. Here's the facts, man.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: It's funny always having a moment now in his retirement,
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: because I remember, I think I've told the story before
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: how I got an Ernie Adams autograph, which was kind
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: of funny. But he was kind of always this guy
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: behind the scenes that you didn't really know. He was
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: like the genius behind Bill and who. I think ESPN
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: had an article about him that was like, you know,
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: who is this man?
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: What does he do?
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: And they asked a bunch of people and you know,
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: now it's he's in a three hour podcast. You know,
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: he's in the Dynasty. He's doing like dramatic things. He's
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: in all kinds of things.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: So yeah, it's kind of quite the personality too, like
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: and they kept him hidden.
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: It's like and like Bill has like disappeared, like no
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: one has seen Bill Belichick since what here?
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Like has anybody seen Bill?
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: And he's doing.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: The tour And back in the day he was a
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: notorious day trader. I mean like made money. Oh I
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: bet trading stock.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: I wish I was that smart. Lee Johnson again, Yeah,
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Lee Johnson was big on the day?
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Was he?
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: David in Madrid? Right?
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Sin? Wow?
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: I have an unpopular opinion and wanted to hear your
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: thoughts about it. We all admit that the rebuild is
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: going to take at least two years, well not everyone,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: and there are four left tackles that are going to
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: be very good slash elite next year's draft. Due to this,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: I feel like we should take a quarterback and two
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: wide receivers with the top three picks and draft to
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: tackle next year in the first round. Hope to get
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: your opinion.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: I don't I don't even sure. I don't really I
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: don't really hate that. I mean I just think you
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: gotta kit whatever you pick this year. I mean, you
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: need I don't care if they took a freaking cornerback
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: for your first round, Like you just you need star players,
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: you need power, You know guys who are game changers,
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: and you know, I think you're probably gonna have to
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: wing it at a couple spots this year, you know,
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: whether it's I mean, I don't want it to be quarterback,
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: but I.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Could see it being quarterback.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: I could see it being Jacoby Brissett and a mid
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: round selection that you don't.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Really have high hopes for. I just hope that.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: And Paul, we've been saying it since I started here
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: with you going to the draft.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: It's just it's not a little like Eldrid when Paul
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: we've been saying this.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: Get one of these freaking receivers are good like draft
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: a good receiver like that.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: It's not that hard wide receiver class. Get one of them,
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: and we managed to get that aren't really productive. So
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: that that's my big thing. Get one of those. I
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: don't care about the order either. I don't. I would
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: and I would welcome an email back in to sort
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: of explain why, if there are so many tackles that
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: are so highly rated, would you want to wait till
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: next year.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: No, he's saying next year there are tackles. That's what
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: he's saying.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: He said, next year, there are four Next how.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: Do we know that there's there's tackles every year.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: There are some guys next year. I mean, like, I mean,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: this is exceptionally strong class of tackles, is it not.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: It's it's very good at the top. It's not very deep,
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: but it's very good at the top. And again, I
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: don't care if you want to get the wide receiver first,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: that's okay, I.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: Have there's no Joe alt next year, like Joe Alt
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: is you know, Joe Thomas, like one of those types
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: of guys. But next year, the kid from Georgia, I
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: want to say, is is a really good left tackle?
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Like there's there's a couple of tackles like every year,
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: like every year.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: If he was talking about next year, then that makes
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: more sense. He thinks next year's classes is going to
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: be comparable. So that yeah, that so that makes sense.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Wait till next year, he says, I get it.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: The left tackles are Banks junior from Texas, Simmons from Ohio,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Connerley junior from Oregon, and Campbell.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: From ls But he's talking about el okay, so that
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: makes that makes total sense. I missed that part of it.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: I thought he was saying there's supposed to be four
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: league tackles this year in this draft, but every every.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: But every draft, you can do that, like every like
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: this draft, you can go Joe all at Olofashanu. You
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: know you can just do it every year. Tackle is
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: one of those spots where there usually is two or
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: three really good first round tackles.
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  Speaker 2: like you so much, Mike. We're not going to leave
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: the building until you sign you out.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: I feel like that might be a good summer job
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: for like high school, like the boys when they get
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: in a little bit a little bit bigger, but you know,
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: like slinging food, walking around the stadium, taking in some events,
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: Like could be a good summer.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: Job, right part did that? Yeah, Mike, my kids wouldn't
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: do that. No work, Martin's work.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Uh. Tyler in New York City says, I think the
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Patriots are taking a wide receiver with number three. Overall,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: everything else is a smoke screen. It's no coincidence that
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: the Browns offensive staff flocked to England after twenty twenty
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: two s lacking during the Zappening, a three hundred yard
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: two touchdown, no interception, three score victory for the third
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: spring of Bailey Zappi, Avp and company know they have
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: a diamond in the rock. Period needs to succeed. Is
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: a true number one in a franchise left tackle willb one.
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: I The point I would just make with this year,
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: The value of this year is that you are you
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: have a chance to get and I don't know, correct
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: me if I'm wrong. There's maybe like five potential really
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: good elite top of the like all neighbors. Harrison May Williams.
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: I don't know, another one maybe, but like I feel
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: like they got to get one of those guys, like
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: one of those five.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Somehow.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: There's nine offensive players at the top of the draft
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: that are all studs. One of them is Brock Bowers,
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: which I just don't a good one. I don't know
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: if that necessarily makes sense for them to at tight end.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: But you have the three quarterbacks Caleb Jaden Drake, may
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: have the three receivers Harrison Neighbors, and say you have
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: the two tackles, all fashion new, and then you have
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: brought Howers.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: So there's there you go.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: This board is one through nine on everybody's big board
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: is offense. They're the best defensive player in this draft
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: is Dallas Turner from Alabama, who is most people think
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: is the tenth or eleventh best prospect in the draft.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: So if you could come away with one of those
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: nine guys, that's it. Now we can get into the
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: into the weeds of his brought powers makes sense. Is
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: the second tackle off the board makes sense after a
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: trade down. But those nine guys are all considered blue chip,
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: elite offensive prospects.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: That's why you're you're the third overall pick, and I mean,
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: we know what it took for them to get that pick. Like,
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: it's not easy to end up at third overall, right,
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: Like you sometimes you just kind of luck.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, because sometimes they were so bad and
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: they still didn't get you know, like like and they
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: still lucked into a couple of wins kind of.
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: So you know, it's just everything kind of has to
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: line up, especially if you're gonna end up, you know,
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: at the top overall pick, where it's it's not even
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: you suck. You have injuries probably too, so you know,
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: it's it's when you're at this spot, get one of
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: those guys. And if you get one of those guys
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: in that list, it's a good start. It's a good
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: start for rebuilding the offense. But I just I push
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: back on people who are like when they put a
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: number on the rebuild like like two years, it could
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: be for ever.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's one it could be the Houston Texans
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: who are now probably contender next year.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: That's the thing.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: You know, again, we're so spoiled to have had Tom
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Brady and did do what you know, remain at the
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: top of contender every year pretty much for twenty years.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: There's thirty one other teams in the league trying to
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: get better every year, going for the same pool of
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: players that you are. It's hard. It's hard, right, and
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: they're not all idiots, all these other teams.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: And by the time we're talking about the offense and
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: get like, then the defense is going to be a problem,
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: Like Judon's gone now, and you know, game you're always
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: it's always whack the mole. There's always a problem for
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: it to all line up, you know. But I think
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: we all agree, and I think generally the consensus agrees,
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: and it's kind of coagulating to coagulating around Drake may
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: I feel like he's that's the guy right now that
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: everybody feels like, if we can put that piece into place,
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: we'll have a chance against these good teams and.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: The rest of it will figure out.
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: But that's the piece you need. Until you get that,
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: when you're just kind of spinning your wheels.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Bronson in Salt Lake City, Speaking of the AFC East,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: the Dolphins lost some of their top defensive players like
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Xavian Howard, Jerome Baker, Andrew Van Ginko, Christian Wilkins, plus
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: a bunch more just curious how you think that affects them.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Obviously he will still have an explosive offense. Just curious
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: your thoughts on the Dolphins roster at this point.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: I'll do the additions. He didn't write that, right. I'm
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: not worried about Christian Wilkins is the only loss. Yeah,
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Jerome Baker is a good player. They replaced him.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: Xavian Howard's old Zavion Howard hasn't been the same guy
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: last couple of years. But as much as I love
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: Mike McDaniel the offensive coordinator, I wonder about.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel the head coach a little bit. Those teams
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: have I worry about late season. Yeah, it seems like
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: the offense is great for three months and then it
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: kind of goes a wall. Yeah, down the stretch when
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: maybe teams figure out what they're doing.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: And a lot of coaches, offensive coaches in particular, that
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: that's true for Like, it's notoriously true for Cliff Kingsbury,
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: like whether it's college or the pros. His team's flame
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: out after Thanksgiving, Andy Reid for a while.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Another one.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: That's just like in the lab all summer and then
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: you get through September and October and then everybody starts
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: to catch up to him. Obviously not anymore with Patrick.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Don't happen Andy Reid, But yeah, it did.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: Used to happen, like you know, Philly, you know times
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: and stuff. So a lot of offensive guys.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: That happens, Logan and Myrtle Beach. Do you guys think
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: you'd get a better package of talent by drafting a
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: wide receiver in the top of the draft and then
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: a tackle in the second round of this year's draft
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: or vice versa. I think they will end up taking
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: a quarterback at one of those picks now that they
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: traded Mac, but thought it was a possibility to try
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: to surround him before they ultimately traded him. His comments
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: on Jack's social were funny. Did anybody see that I did.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: It's Mac and I wish he would have been more
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: out there when he was with us, instead of trying
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: to be serious all the time like most of New
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: England's players seem to be. Well, there's a reason for that.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Do you think now that Bill and Brady are both gone,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: some players will be more themselves with the media.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, Judom was kind of himself
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: even even with Bill.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: There's very few players that had the gravitas to do that,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: like Bronk was you know, so there was you know,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: kind of a fear of you know, going over the line, uh,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: you know, being too goofy. But but Mac revealed that
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: he likes to wrap.
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know it's I mean, I I just, uh,
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: we've seen that side of him.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I think that's we've seen that side
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: of him for sure. And look, when things were going bad,
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: he's not going to be on our TikTok right like
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: it's it's just it's just not we're about here. But
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: he's been on some of those videos before.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: I I mean, I almost feel like him joking with
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: you about being the offensive coordinator was.
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: A little you know a little bit of that of him,
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: you know, being a little bit loose.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: But yeah, that's when we had hope.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Uh Jeff in Canada. I don't care if we stick
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: and pick or trade and accumulate more picks. My main
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: concern is by the time the draft ends, the Patriots
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: must have at least one star player on offense. I'm
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: with Fred, I can't go another year of being easy
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: to defend.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I think that's I think that's everything. I mean,
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: it starts with a quarterback. And you know we've said
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: many times I think Drake May is worth missing on.
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: But you know, there's still, like as I said earlier,
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: those early second round receivers, like there are guys out
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: there that will get you excited, you know, to bring
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: them in. And that's those are the two pieces. It's
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: just it's hard to spread the needle with all three
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: of the biggest needs. So again, I think they're gonna
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: have to, you know, figure it out. Maybe after the
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: draft they make some acquisitions. I just I mean, I
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: want to see wonder if if do you think there's
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: any chance Doug Or gets traded.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Maybe? I don't know, I mean if they, if they
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: if he comes back here, he's going to be under
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: the tag, which is like thirteen million or something like that.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: You know, so I guess a team could trade and
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: then redo his contract, right you don't have to stick
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: with the tag if you trade him, right.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Right, they he hasn't signed it. Well, he could sign it,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: but then you could sign an extension after July before.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: That's a tricky trade, yeah, because like it's not like
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: he's franchise tagged. So I don't know. I think that
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: why would a team give up assets if they could
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: just sign him to an offer sheet, right and then
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: just take them for nothing.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't know.
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: He just seems like one of the few assets. And
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, I've seen some of the scuttle butt there.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: I think I think the only player that they could
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: trade to get something decent for would be Jude On.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: The team that's close. They need somebody on the edge
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: just you know, for a year or two. Yeah, and
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: they're willing to give up you know, maybe a second round.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: I would trade dude On. I don't think they will
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: because of his gravitas and his energy that he brings
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: to the locker room I think is important. Like they
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: talk so much about their guys and you know, changing
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: the locker room culture, and I think he's part of that.
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: So they probably won't. But in terms of what you
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: could get back in a trade, if you could get
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: a Day two pick back for jude On, I would
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: definitely do that.
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: I wonder about Judon just because you know, we heard
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: rumblings that he doesn't really come to OTA stuff like
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: he did Mandatory. He's here, but I wonder if that stuff. Yeah,
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: but I wonder, I mean, he might have the country
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: m R. So I just I wonder if that's going
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: to change this year. And you know, it's Evan's point.
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: I mean I agree generally that he's you know that guy,
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: but also too, like if you're a new regime and
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: you know they're going to start up here, what next Monday.
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: I want Matthew Judon here. It's a new you know,
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: this is a new this is a whole new thing.
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: We need you here. And if he's not here that
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: that would start to signal to me. And I don't
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: even know how we'll really even know is going to
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: be here.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I know you can't force players because it's voluntary,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: but I wonder if like, you know, hey, matt yeah,
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: if you can make it, it would be really good.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: So he did an interview with uh Kadlick already and
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: and told Mike that he's gonna be here.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: O good.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, So that's that's that's good news.
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think that would point in the right direction.
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: I mean, we talk about what they can do with
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: the cap space they have. I think him Barmore, those
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: are those are probably the two biggest pieces.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: That was another thing that came up. Sorry, Paul, that's fine.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: The are any of you bothered by the fact that
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: they delayed the start? That's exactly what I know, because
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: like this is like becoming like a big subject that
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: I see on Paul shows.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah and oh yeah, stuff like that.
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: And I'm just like really surprised about it's one week
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: in the spring without pads, Like I'm I'm losing I
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: don't understand.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: But we're told us this is the We're told it's
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: really important. Every week is important, every practice is important,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: every day is important. And yet they're giving up a
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: much like and I'm only saying the Devil's Advocate are.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Argument much like most things. I look at it a
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: little different, and I am not bothered by the fact
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: that they had a chance to get two extra weeks
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: and only took one. Like the on field part. And
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: I'm sort of extrapolating from what Jerrodd said when he
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: was asked about it. Why what do he say.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: They want to make sure that they're on the same
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: page coach where they bring in the players.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: I read that as they weren't ready. I do too
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: that that that's a concern for him. That was his
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: take on.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: There, like that they're still you know, they're still working
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: things out.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm surprised, but I'm disappointed. Again,
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: it's not because oh my god, no team's ever had
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: a new head coach and forfeited a week of OTAs
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: and no. But like, but what do we do it?
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: I have no problem with the head coach coming to
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: the Really I need an extra week. I mean, I'd
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: rather have him do that than like, you know, like
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: convince himself that he doesn't if he does.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: You know, I think I'm talking about the fact that
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: he needs I'm taking him at face value. He needs
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: another week, and I agree, So I'm saying that's not good.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: I'd rather, like I said, I'd rather have him admit
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: that at and take the week and be ready then,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: you know, you know, try to convince yourself that you're
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: ready if you're not.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: I read it to you because he it was, you know.
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: The quote continued and he mentioned about how they've been
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: focused so much on the draft and scouting and the
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: coaching staff has been at all these pro days. So
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: Girodmeo A VP McAdoo, T McCartney, these guys have all
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: been scouting, Drake May and Jayden Daniels for the last
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: month and a half, you know, probably since the Combine.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: They were all at the Combine too, So I think
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: a lot of the focus of the organization right now
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: is what are we doing with the third overall pick,
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: and maybe some of this type of stuff that Paul
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: is referring to with the coaching side of it has
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: fallen behind because they are all on the scouting trail
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: right now.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: Nine guys at pro days, and we're not ready to
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: start OTAs. As a result being collaborative.
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: I would just say it is it is a giant
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: new coaching staff and the amount of concerns coaching staff
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: dysfunction that I've seen over the last two seasons, if
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: they need a little extra time to work it out
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: and make sure that everybody's on the same page.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm okay with that.
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: Like I I've seen enough of guys running between position
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: groups and teams and positions not knowing what they were doing.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: So I don't know, it's a bunch of new guys,
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't really.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Put now after two weeks when everyone else is back,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: if you're still not ready. Okay, a week up.
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: Sure, But I mean we've seen like what it's like
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: running in the bubble, you know, like that's like what
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: they one is like.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: That's why it has nothing to do with anything that's
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: happening on the field. It's the classroom stuff. Like I'm
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: not My concern is that they're not they feel they're
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: not ready to do whatever it is they do with
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: this time of year. They feel like they're not ready
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: to do it. They're not ready to be in front
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: of the team yet as a coaching staff. According to Gerard, yeah,
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know. That's my concern, not that they're missing,
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: like the lack of running in the Yeah, bubble isn't
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: going to prevent you from going.
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: I hear what you're saying, but I just I think
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: this is a giant new head coaching staff, brand new
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: head coach.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: They allow you, as a new head coach, the extra time,
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: so they'll take They'll still get extra time though. One.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: But it's not that they're not here, you know, the coaches.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just talking about their preparation.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: But it's not like the coaches aren't here. They're they're here.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: I understand that.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: You know, I players don't have to come into it.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: I would have felt better if you said, I don't
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: feel like we need that, And I just think that's added,
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: you know, wear and tear. We're just gonna wait. He
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: get killed for that too, he might, but it would
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: make me feel better to know that they were ready
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: to do it, they just chose not to. Bill Will's
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: done that many times.
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: What's more important though, them nailing the number three overall
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: pick or the having an extra week of So if
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: the if them nailing the pick was all these guys
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: scouting these quarterbacks instead of you know, maybe putting together
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: the playbook or whatever the heck it is that they do,
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: then it's I take the extra time.
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: I just think too, It's like, you know, this is
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: a first time head coach, so they're gonna be maybe mistakes,
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: They're gonna be growing pains. There's gonna be things that
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: he does right and wrong that you know, we we
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: need to have a little bit of understanding that you know,
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: this is a whole operation that he has to run.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Now it's the first time head head coach. And correct
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong. Has Elliott wolf ever had like
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: the control he has right now? No. So basically it's
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: the first time GM too.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, you know, so the first time coaches that
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: are doing OTAs. Now that's okay though it's teach.
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: Their own I mean, you know, like I find you know,
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: I don't know this. I mean this feels to me
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: like you can be concerned about it if you want.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: I understand why you why you're saying I'm not up
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: at night.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Well no, no, I.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: Understand, just but it's odd that they didn't feel like
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: they were ready to be in front of the team yet.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: I just think that was an odd way of putting
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: It didn't strike me what do they do with that? Odd? Like,
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: what have they been doing for the last six weeks
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: that they don't feel like they're the quarterback to have?
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: But again, again, why do we have all the coaches
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: doing that? Because I think that we had nineteen scouts
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: there too.
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: To be honest with you, I think that they that
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: a VP in mcadoo's opinion on these quarterbacks weighs heavier
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: than a lot of the scouts do, because they're the
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: ones that understand that. Like Mayo will fat out admit
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: he knows nothing about quarterbacks.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: He'll say that fact doesn't bother me at all. The
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: the a VP and Ben McAdoo pot frightens the crap
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: out of me. I don't guys that might not be
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: here in three years are going to be the ones
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: deciding what's gonna happen.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's still their reputation.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: They actually have a great track record, especially Macado.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: I know, but Paul, it's just going to be a
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: disaster then, I mean.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: I understand what he's saying.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: But Macadoo in particular, like his his quarterback track record
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: is phenomenal.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: You know, like I'll pretend nothing bothers me. That'll make
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: you feel better.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, you know, everything is wrong, it's a disaster.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: I said nothing about disasters or debacles, so you just
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: put words in my mouth that I didn't say.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but like nothing nothing like all.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: The other first time coaches all were able to have
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: ot as when they were allowed to have them. In
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: some how that's deemed to be bad. Well, like it's
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: better that they recognized that they weren't ready to do that.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Like I said, this is Elliott Wolf's first go around
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: with this too. Is that the case with those first
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: time head coaches?
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know, Okay, So I don't know. I'll just
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: pretend it's great. Maybe it is Elliott Wolf have to
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: do with o TA. I don't know if it's great
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: or bad. But I'm not willing to point at that
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: and say, see, see it's not gonna work. I didn't
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: say that. Now again, you can you can go all.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: You can go all and pretend I said things that
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: I didn't say.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: That's fine, he's filled his ours Jews, that's it.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: We'll just pretend everything's great.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: It's a sign of what's to come.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: We'll pretend everything is the Lego movie. Well, everything is awesome.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: It's great. I did like Morris's speech.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: You know, you can also look at it. You know.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: I like the idea of a coach admitting that.
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: I but I don't. I don't like the idea that
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: my coach is openly admitting he's not ready to be
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: in front of his team. Why do I have to
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: pretend that I like.
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: That he just needs to talk less, like he's just.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: A little in that.
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: I don't think what we really and it's not just
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: the fact that they're different personalities, is just Bill had
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: been doing it for so long that he was so
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: polished at everything, and he hardly ever slipped up and
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: like said something it gave away something that he shouldn't
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: and he was so just rehearsed with all of this,
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: and Girodd's just not there yet, like give it given
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: a non answer, no question, I don't.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Know if it's a good thing or not. Like, but
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: I'm not, like, you know, I'm open to like what's
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: going on. I'm not immediately saying that's bad, that's a
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: bad thing.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: No, I mean, I don't think that's what I say. No,
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: I think Paul I said it was a disaster. You
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: weren't listening. You weren't listening. No, I mean to listen
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: to No, that's that's that's why it's good.
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think that's why we have, you know,
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: good debate, and that's why Paul's radar goes up on
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: those little things. And you know, I think I think
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: to like to Evan's point that you know, we're so
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: used to Bill being so buttoned up that like you
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: had to really dive deep to try to get like
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: these kind of things, whereas Girod's kind of handed to
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: you on a silver platter. And now it's with art,
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: especially with the media. Die damic that exists in this
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: town where it's like, dude, you know you burn cash
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: like they're going that is going to blow up and
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: that's going to be held against you and everything that's
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: been said over the last two months.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: And we don't know the facts. We don't know the facts.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: We only know what Gerada said. But like we know
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: that there's a lot of construction going on down there.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: You know, maybe that's not ready yet.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: I can say that. You know, if you if if
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: all the crafts have the construction going on, they can't
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: even start on time. If current one, if everything ready,
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: really really you'd rather you'd rather your coach tell you
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: he's not ready. Then we're making some changes and they're
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: not quite set to go yet. Sure, well that just
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: sounds like trivial, you know, right, one's trivial and one's football.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: But still I'm much more concerned as a fan about
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: trivial I mean football.
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: But I don't see that much difference between the two.
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: It's it's all just like getting everything changed over and
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: play a.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: Huge difference between the two with them. One of them
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: has nothing to do with your preparation.
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: No, but but again, preparation is getting everything in order
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: for what you want to do. So, by the way,
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: a lot of different ways, would you have them jump
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: right into it?
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: And we don't really know what we're doing, but we
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: got to start this day. Yes, you know, yes, what
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: I would even know that would help them get the
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: experience that they need. Yes, I think that would be
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: at and the other thing.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: You know a lot of other teams that have that
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: first year head coach, you know, it might have been
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: four years before they had to make it.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: We've had the same head coach.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: For twenty three years, you know. I mean, that's a
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: that's a big seismic, that's a big shape.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know what else I'll tell you. I'll pretend
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: that it didn't bother me. No, A good debate now
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: that we've that, we've come up with seventeen hypotheticals as
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: to why it's a good thing. I like the good
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: and instruction wise, like they wouldn't just go in the
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: bubble and do itever.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily saying it's a good thing. I'm just
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: saying it's not necessarily a bad thing. That's all I'm saying.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's really simple, but ared's the one that asked
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: the question. I think at the owner's meetings, what would
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: Bill have said, we're doing what we think is best
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: for the team, right, well, why is that best for
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: the team?
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: Bill? Because I said so?
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: Because I said so, boom done.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: Now you don't open your can of worms to like
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: all these different things. But it wouldn't have been asked because,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, I understand what you're saying hypothetically. Hypothetically, if
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: they decided Bill would never have not done it. It's
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: so funny bring that up.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: All the time.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: No, I'm talking about what individual days like he give them,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: like the third day of mini camp or something like that,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: because we're ready. And he got criticized for that because
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: we're ready. But he got but he did he not
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: get Quitts was we're not going to do it because
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: we're not read.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Did he not get criticized for doing that? Bill's being
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: easy on it. He's letting them off early.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: Yep, he did.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: You can't win.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: He did get. No, you can win. You can win
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: six super Bowls. And I'll sit there and say, yes,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: that was what was the B six super Bowl? You
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. You go to you win football games,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: and I'll say, yeah, he made the right choice. Like
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: I am not I was going to take a cheap shot.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: I Am not like some people who will never budge
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: off of their spot. If they go out and they're
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: completely ready to go, and they show like they're well
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: buttoned up team and the coaching looks great and they're
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: winning games, I'm going to sit there and say, Wow,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: I spent five minutes worried about the fact that they
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: weren't ready to go when the season started. For nothing,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: Because they showed that they were ready to go. I'm
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: not going to sit there and say, imagine if they
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: had actually fulfilled, they would have won it all if
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: they had just I'm not gonna do that. If they're
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: if they're well coached, they look organized, and everything is
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: buttoned up and ready to go, I'll say that that
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: was me worried about nothing.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: Okay, I think Evan, you're that's what's best for the team.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: I mean that was Bill's go to and all these situations.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: Why is it best for the team?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: Bill, there's some logistical things that we still have to
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: work out, like that could mean it, that could mean
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: Red's construction thing, that could mean literally anything, and that
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: way there, you're not telling them Paul's thing of we're
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: not ready to go.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: No, I know, And that's that's why Bill avoided Paul's
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: it like superpower, which is to find that little thing
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: and be like, wait a second, I caught that, you know, and.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Then you know, you know, I'd had the superpower with Bill,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: but it was harder for you. But you're right, it
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: would be that's the answer that Bill would have given.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: But isn't that, like, how can I possibly criticize that right?
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: It's up to his discretion rights exactly. Now, maybe I
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: might say Bill didn't feel like it because he said
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: he wasn't really like, there's no But I'm sorry, I
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: know you have nine thousand different ulterior motives, he he,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: I have the no you do like you're trying to
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: tell me it's construction related. I don't know. You don't
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: know what I'm telling you. If it was any of
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: these other reasons I'm trying to tell you, we all
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: don't know. But what I'm telling you is, if it
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: was any other reason other than what he said, he
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: wouldn't have said what he said because that paints him
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: in the worst possible light.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Well, what is not ready mean like you know, we're not.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: Ready to be in front of the team, means the
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: coaches aren't ready to teach.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: But why like what it like Evan said there might
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: be a legitimate reason for that. Not because they're all incompetent,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: which is what you're thinking.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: What I'm saying is and admit that.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: Admit that absolutely?
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: Okay? Is this like a heart like jeez, I'm really
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: I'm really veiled in my concern. My concern, Fred, again
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: is that.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: They're not Dady, is that they are incompetent.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: I didn't say that. You just did. No, I didn't.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: I said, admit it, I said, I will.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: I said my concern is they're not ready. Because they're
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: not ready why, I don't know. He didn't say why.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Always went around his circles here.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: No, Fred, you just continue to try to put words
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: in my mouth and tell you I think this.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: Is you're putting your own words in your mouth.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: I'm not doing anything. All I'm telling you is there's
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: no human being that would say we're not having and
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: go ta is because of any other reason that has
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: nothing to do with coaching. And I'm going to say
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: it's coaching what do you mean?
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: It's coaching?
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: My coaches aren't ready to be in front of them.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's different than that's what he said. But but
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: I asked you why you said I don't know why.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: It makes no sense to say anything if it was
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: anything other than it's on the coaches, right, it makes
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: not the it's on him or he said, I feel
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: like we were ready as a coaching stad that's what
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: he said. Okay, but like sorry, I don't believe that
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: it's anything else. That's the worst possible thing. But why
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: on him?
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: But why aren't they ready to have the players in
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: the building?
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: I think that they're not. I think they're I don't
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: know either, But it's coaching related. It's not some other
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: outside factor.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: What do you mean by that though? Coaching related? Like
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: they're not good coaches or.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: They don't have heard yet. That's what he said. They're
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: not on the same page. Yet they're not all on
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: the same page. He wants to make sure everybody's on
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: the same page.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: I think that I think that they're not on the
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: same page in his mind because they've all been all
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: over the place on the scouting trail at these prote
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: So what he what he said at the at the
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: owner's meetings was that I want to give us some
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: time to get back in the building together and make
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: sure that we're all on the same page before we
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: bring the players.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: I don't see like that could be an explanation. I
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: don't see what you know. Like how that points to
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: these guys aren't good. They don't know what they're doing.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: To me, that's a sign of Hey, I'm going to
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: be pragmatic about this.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: Admit this said we're not ready.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: That's fine, But you're saying not ready means they're not good,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: they don't have their.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: It worries me that they're not ready. I mean, I'm
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: sorry again that if that, I don't think it's great
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: that they're I know, but if if Evan is I'll
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: change next Tuesday, I'll be I'll be very excited because
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: they'll be ready for the startup.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: If Evan is accurate, like they've been out of the building,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: them be on the scouting trail. If that's true, would
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: that be a good excuse to say, hey, we need
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: an AX.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: Would worry me? Why? Because I would worry why they
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: felt that was more important than getting the team prepared.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: This isn't about getting the team.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: They're coming in. It's voluntary workouts. They're coming in.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: You lift and run. I feel like I'm coming upaul
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: side of the street a little bit. I'll tell you
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: on Tuesday, I'll be excited. No, because evidently that's the control.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: Let me let me can I jump in?
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: Because you kind of would hope that Alex van Pelt
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: in this offense, would know exactly what they wanted and
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: they were going to come in and there's a plan,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: and they had the playbook already and that that's in
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: place and that you know, like so I don't know,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: I'm kind of playing.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: I apologize for getting you, but you just those are
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: kind of some of the things. No, some of the
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: things that you know, you would be concerned about. That.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna have the guys in, you know,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: are we are? We got the playbook right, but they're
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: not going over plays. This is when you start to
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: get stuff. I think, my big you get the extra
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: two weeks because it's a new system.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: I don't even think they're allowed to interact right now
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: with the players, right yeah, yeah, they are talking in
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: the class like on the field, they know they can't
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: they can't do.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: It right yet, not yet. But this is when they
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: install the systems. That's why you get the extra two
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: weeks with a new staff.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, well listen.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: It's all irrelevant. I get it. I'll be psyched on
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: Tuesdays they've all been on the road. No, actually, I'm
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: going to be pissed on Tuesday because they're wasting their
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: time talking to the players.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: If they've all been on.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: The the way you're supposed to do it.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: If they've all been on the road, then maybe they
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: haven't had a chance to do it the way you
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: know completely.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: And I would argue, why are they all on the
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: road instead of doing that that that's more important.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: That's my concern. I think that they're on the road.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: Now we have three concerns.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: I think no, because this has been my concern all
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: along with this, I'm not is that why you brought
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: it up in the you can tell the truth.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: My concern with it is that I don't think the
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: head coach knows the difference between this quarterback and that quarterback,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: so he has to bring his offensive coaches wish him.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: Ellie to tell him different. Patrick Stewart and Cameron Williams.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: It's different the cast of other it's a different thing.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: It's almost like it's a different brain though. Like they're
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: looking at traits. They're looking at how big is he?
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: How how far can he throw? What's his arm strength?
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: What's his mobility? What? What are the traits that he
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: brings to Pelton? Ben McAdoo have to be on site, yes,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: to figure these I think they did because BeO doesn't know. No, no, no,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: that's what I'm telling you. I think that the sculpture there,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: they should know. If they don't know, they should all
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: be out of a job. They know.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: I think that they know that this quarterback is good,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: it has these traits and is good at X, Y
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: and Z based off the film. But I think a
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: VP and McAdoo know those details exactly.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: But you need to be on site to do that.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: I obviously feel like you just watch the film, I
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: think And also.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: I mean that's a good question, but I think they
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: made the decision. We need to be there. We need to,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: you know, lay eyes on this guy, talk to this guy.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: We need to be talking together.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: I'll give you, I'll give you no, I mean a
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: legitimate example. L this week you didn't need to talk
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: to Michael Panics. This week we get eyes.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: On everything interested and we do need to.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know Contra when they were. Whatever
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: they do, it's got to be right when they were
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: when they were. Not for me, I just told you
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: to help. If they're all buttoned up and ready to go,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: I'll sit there and say I was worried about nothing.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: But that'll be great. Okay. I didn't tell you that
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: Bill Belichick doesn't prepare for seasons properly. You show me,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: I hope not. You showed me when I said that
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: that was one of his. So you're saying that everything
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: I said has to be wrong.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: No, I'm saying everything that you think they've seen.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: Listen, I've I've only been really around one guy too, really,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: but only one year for Carol. I've seen it done
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: a certain way. This is different. This is totally different.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: So forgive me for being a little skeptical of I
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean it won't work. I gotta say.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: I I like the fact of having Macadoo a VP.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 5: They're all right there, they're all seeing it in real
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: time together and communicating. And if there are these issues
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: of trying to put together what exactly we're looking for.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: I'd much rather have them all there seeing it in person.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: This is such an important pick.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: And by the way, don't rule, you know, don't discount
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: the owner in all of this. The owner keeps saying
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: the same thing, and if if you say the same
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: thing over and over again, it's probably true collaboration, right.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: This is gonna be a collaborative choice. This this third
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: round pick. I mean, this, this number three pick. He's
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: not putting. He's not giving the final, you know thing
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: to Elliott. This isn't gonna be Elliott Wolf's pick. This
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: is gonna be This is gonna be this is he'll
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: have the final say. But this is going to be
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: an organizational decision. And in order to do that, I
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: think maybe the owner's saying, you all have to be
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: involved in this in this pick, meaning if it means
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: being all there at the pro day, you'll all have
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: to be there because everyone's opinion has to be inputed
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: for this, and you didn't bring in Ben McAdoo not
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: to have his opinion, especially with picking a quarterback.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'll end this and let it go because
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: obviously I'm never gonna win, but I don't understand why
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: Ben mcadow can't have input without being there.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe he wanted to be there. Maybe I don't know.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know. That's my point.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, Yeah, I don't know. I'm assuming.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming that this show.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: I'm assuming the teams get different camera angles of these
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: pro days, maybe from the schools themselves. But when you're
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: at the mercy of the angle that NFL Network is
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: giving you on a guy, it's very different than being
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: able to watch the guy in person. But I just
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  Speaker 4: the one thing that Drake may said when we talked
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  Speaker 4: going to have to be a VP quizzing him on
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  Speaker 4: the playbook. And when we did the draft thing, Patrick
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  Speaker 4: Chung told a great story about an interaction that he
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  Speaker 4: had with the was in Manti Austin fort I think
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  Speaker 4: just just remember this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Then twenty four hours later, came up to Patrick CHUNGK
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  Speaker 4: and say draw what I told you yesterday, like do
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  Speaker 4: you remember it? And Patrick Chung said, yeah, you know
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  Speaker 4: this this whatever, and he drew it up and then
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  Speaker 4: Manty Austinford just said thanks, walked away, didn't say anything else.
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  Speaker 4: And so I think that a lot of these things,
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  Speaker 4: their memory and teach them the playbook and then see
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  Speaker 4: what they learned and what they absorbed. Or maybe they
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  Speaker 4: if they remember the plays from the pro day.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that time could be any of those things,
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 5: The Patriots Draft Countdown, presented by bud Light, dropped its
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  Speaker 3: Let's listen. To a snippet from that episode.
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  Speaker 5: And we're back, guys, just a little over three weeks
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  Speaker 5: to go to the draft. We've rifled through a lot
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  Speaker 5: this show talking about some of the latest draft news.
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  Speaker 5: I think we're kind of settling into silly season. Paul
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 5: feels like this is when people start to you know,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 5: you hear things like what that doesn't make sense? They
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  Speaker 5: love that guy, most notably with Tony Pauline's report yesterday
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: that Elliott Wolf enamored with JJ McCarthy, the hot new
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  Speaker 5: name here on the on the mock draft circuit. So
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  Speaker 5: what do you take away from that anything?
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  Speaker 3: I don't take much in terms of what it means
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  Speaker 3: directly to the Patriots. I think that Elliott Wolf and
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  Speaker 3: the you know, the cast of thousands that he's evidently
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  Speaker 3: been traveling with while you know, going on to watch
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  Speaker 3: all these guys. I think McCarthy's an interesting prospect only
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: because of what I've been saying all along. I just
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: think he has the most unknown because I just haven't
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: seen him be able to do all the things that
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: all the other guys had to do for their teams
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: in college. So I think there's a skill set there.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: You know. I think he's got, you know, good enough size.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: I think he runs tough. I think he's pretty athletic.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: I think he's shown that he can move around and
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: make plays outside the pocket. But like I said, I
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: just haven't seen him be able to, you know, put
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: a team on his back and have to throw the
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: ball thirty five forty forty five times to ensure victory.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: I've seen all the other guys have to do that
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: from time to time.
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  Speaker 5: Evan, I'm gonna tee up. And the last episode we
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 5: showed a film breakdown, you did a McCarthy. You know,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 5: we talked so much about guys like Mac Jones and
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 5: Joe Burrow and these guys that come from LSU and
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 5: Alabama that have superstar casts around them, and maybe not
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 5: quite the case with JJ McCarthy.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: Do you think he's getting downgraded before?
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 5: You know, think if he was playing on one of
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 5: those teams, Yeah, I'd be talking a little bit higher
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 5: about it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's what a lot of people that like JJ
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: McCarthy will tell you. I'll just say this along the
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: same lines as Paul. Last week, it was that the
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: commanders are Namor with JJ McCarthy. This week, it's now
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: the Patriots that are enamored with JJ McCarthy. So I
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: think that people are just trying to figure out where
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: to put JJ McCarthy. Like, obviously, he's a guy that's
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: going to go a little bit higher than maybe we
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: thought a couple months ago. He's going to probably go
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: in the top half of the first round. But is
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: it going to be as early as two or three
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: or are we more talking about in that mac Jones
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: can he Pickett range in the teens? I would just
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: say that proceed with caution this time of year. This
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: time last year, Will Levis was a top ten pick
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: in twenty twenty one, Mac Jones was a San Francisco
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: forty nine er at number three overall. Then we get
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: to the draft and they end up finding their level
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: and they end up going in a more comfortable range
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: for their skill set. I think that there's a lot
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 4: to like about JJ McCarthy in terms of the talent
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: and just the ball of clay that he is. You know,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: he does have the ability, like Paul said, to move
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: get outside the pocket. He's elusive in the pocket. Put
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: down a fantastic three cone time. So he's got that
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: agility and that jitter bugness about him in the pocket,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: and he's got a plus arm. I wouldn't say it's
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: an elite arm, but it's a better than average NFL
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: arm as well, So you have some things to work with.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: But there's a lot of things I think in this
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: game that needs seasoning, a post snap decision making probably
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: being the biggest one, but also accuracy in terms of
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: ball placement down the field too. So I'm not a
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy guy. Everybody knows that, but I'm trying to
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: open my mind and not be as critical about it
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: because clearly there are people in the league that have
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: a lot of love for him.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: J McCarthy not at all.
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  Speaker 8: I think it's smoke screen season and I think it's
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 8: a very risky pick to take him. I don't think
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 8: he's better than the other three guys. I think it's
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 8: risky to take him at three, and I think it's
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 8: gounda be pretty funny when it just goes Caleb Jaden
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 8: Drake and sing.
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  Speaker 2: It is boring, but sometimes it's what has to happen.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: But that's how that's how I want it to go.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: And you know, I put out my latest mock draft,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: So yeah, Drake May my guy, you know, I'd love
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 5: them to go with him. And we've got coming up
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 5: next here on Draft Countdown, we have a full film
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 5: segment where Evan breaks down Drake May as well, just
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 5: like he did with McCarthy.
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  Speaker 3: So, guys, let's just kind of hash out.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 5: These two a little bit right now, because it's like
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 5: the more things change, the more they say the same Paul,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: you said it a couple of shows ago, you know,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 5: on Unfiltered, we've been talking about the same stuff. Ultimately,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 5: does it just kind of still boil down to date
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 5: Daniels or May?
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  Speaker 3: I think it does, And I think that particular thing,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: I think boils down to your particular taste. And I
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: think that there's a lot to like about both guys.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: And that's why I said some nice things about McCarthy too,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: because Evan's right, just because we don't necessarily look at
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: McCarthy in that light doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: be talked about, you know like that. So I like
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: the idea of May because I just feel like there's
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: so much upside there. Now you can make an argument that,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: you know, the opposite is not what you're looking for.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: If it doesn't work out, you don't really have much
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: to fall back on. I just feel like he had
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: to do a lot of things for that team last year,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: and I want that. I want a guy who sort
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: of had to be the guy and how to have
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: it all on his shoulders. And you know, I don't
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: think it was great. But when you're talking about you know,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: well he failed, Well, what was North Carolina last year,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: like like eight and four or something like. It's not
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: like they went, you know, two and twelve. You know
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: when when it was all on his shoulders, he still
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: won some games, didn't win as many as a lot
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: of people thought he might. So you know, that's how
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: it works. I like may I think a lot of them,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: But certainly I understand the upside with with Daniels too.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: I know evn't got a chance to see him both
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: up close and personal. But yeah, we'll talk about the prodays.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: You were down there, Yeah, tour the South, So yeah, right,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: it was a fun time.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing with Jaden Daniels is that
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: you are really banking on his athleticism and his running
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: ability being his superpower, because what I saw from him
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: throwing the football was okay. I wasn't blown away, though.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: I didn't look at him and say, Wow, this arm
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: talent is just fantastic. He's got a really big arm
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: and he can kind of just flick the wrists and
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: generate velocity and this that the other I kind of
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: felt like it was an NFL arm. We go out
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: to training camp and stuff like that, and we see
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: guys throw all the time, and I didn't look at
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: his arm talent and sit there and say this is
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: so much better than Mac Jones or this is so
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: much better than Bailey ZAPPI maybe a little bit more
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: control on the ball than those guys at times, but
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: not blown away. Whereas with Drake May he just has
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: a handcannon.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, that guy.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: Off platform, off one leg, rolling to his left, rolling
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: to his right. It doesn't make a difference. He can
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: just flick it sixty five yards in the air. And
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: I was standing right there when he dropped it in
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: to tes Walker on the sideline sixty five yards on
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: a dime too, and I was just like, man, this
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: is just that's different. That that's a different trait. And
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: if you were looking, if you still are of the
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: of the mind that you need to win with your
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: arm in this league, and eventually all of the running
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: and off platform stuff is all great, well and good,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 4: But the person that's gonna sit in the pocket and
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: be able to pick a part of defense is guy
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: that's going to hold the trophy at the end of
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: the day. I just look at Drake May and think
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 4: that that is an easier path for him to get
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: to that point. With Daniels, I think you're really counting
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: on the whole package, the running ability, the arm and
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: it all coming together at this level for that ability
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: to go on a season like he had last year
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: at LSU.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 8: First, I want to hear more about Tess Walker, but
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 8: I think Jaden Daniels I don't think we're ready for him.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 8: I think I know Evan's mentioned this before, he had
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 8: Molik Neighbors, he had Brian Thomas, like I think he
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 8: needs a bit more structure, and I think, honestly, the
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 8: Commanders have a more set offense right now for him
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 8: than the Pats would. And Drake May, just as I said,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 8: you can SI for a while. He has the trades.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 8: He has an absolute cannon. So I think Mays the guy,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 8: and I really hope he ends up here.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, when it comes to elevating the players around them,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: I think that Jaden Daniels could distribute the ball to
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: good receivers no problem. But when it comes to actually
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: taking that an offense that maybe doesn't have great receivers
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: yet and elevating it to be on what it is,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: I just I think Drake may brings more to the
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: table in that respect.
• 1:23:02
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  Speaker 2: it could be they don't have anywhere to sit supply chain,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: so you know, change should be every time I hear
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: those those highlights though from the COVID shows, you can
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: tell like, oh my god, I'm doing those from Michel.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: But you sound great though, were you here? Maybe you
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: were here or something. Probably can't keep away.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see web radio at Patriots dot com is the
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: email address, Matt writes in Given it's been a while
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: since we've been in the draft position to take a quarterback,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: I'd love to hear Paul compare Drake May coming out
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: of college as a prospect to Drew Bledsoe when he
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: was coming out of college. What similarities and variances do
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: you guys see? Hopefully Paul doesn't get too emotional on
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: us by asking him to talk about his lover boy, and.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I would say there's similar size in arm strength,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: but Drake May is a far better athlete mobility wise, runner,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: all that stuff and I thought Drew was more accurate
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: coming out of college than Drake May. That's good.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: I think that in a lot of ways, Drake May
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: is kind of like the evolution of Drew Bledsoe and
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: Andrew could run.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like that.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: That's now an added element to these guys. You know,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: he's very much the prototypical Drew Bledsoe type of quarterback.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: But now all these guys can move.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: But I would but I would say at the time
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: Drew Bledsoe was a higher prospect than Drake May is today.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, well it was myer's right, but he's
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: a better no question. He was a better passer coming
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: out of school.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: But he was you know, I think the whole myrat thing.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: I know, he got picked right afterwards, but like it was,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: Drew Bledsoe was the consensus overall.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, number one, right, No, I mean I remember now,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: I mean some people like Myra, but Bill Walsh it
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: was insistent that Meyra was another Joe Montana. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Think part of it was because a notre dame of
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 5: it all in Washington State.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: Probably. I just take these guys like, you know, I
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: make fun of Felger all the time, but it's they're
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: wrong a lot. It's it's there's a lot of misevaluations.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: But I think that Parcels thought Bledsoe was the guy.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: I think he thought he was bigger in Northeast and
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: would be able to play in the elements, which that
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: kind of sold me on him. As I remember watching
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: a game because you know, it was apparent it was
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: very similar to this year was a parent you were
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: going to be in position, and he threw for like
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: three hundred yards in the snow game, and I was like, Okay,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: this guy can throw. You know, because I didn't know,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: I wasn't watching Washington State games, I didn't know much
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: about him.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that, you know, the part about being
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: to be able to throw in the elements is that's
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: That's another thing that I think Drake May has that
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: maybe a Jaden Daniels doesn't quite have. It's I don't
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: know if I would draft a quarterback simply because of that.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't, but.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: Especially after watching you know what we've watched the last
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: couple of years, and you can see when it's windy,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: when it's stormy, like this is not gonna be a
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: day you're going to throw it forty times, you know, uh.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: Not one of my concerns before. Yeah, oh with it
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: with the MAC.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: From now on, with mccor, I'm trusting Paul's instincts on
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: these things.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: Myself, Mike and Charlotte says Paul, don't waste your time.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: Fred has been in spin mode ever since the coaching
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: change was made. I guess your opinion doesn't matter anymore unless,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: of course you agree with Fred.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: So I'm going to be a bait, right, I'm going
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: to defend Fred a little bit because that was what
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: kind of surprised me so much and got me into
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: the argument. Was I don't think you've done that, certainly
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: as much over the last year, but even even since
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: Gerard got hired, I don't think you've been just like
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: it was the only choice and this is is a
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: no brainer. This here where we go. I don't think
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: you've been like that.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not a little like that today, though I don't
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: know what it's like. I don't know if Jon Mayo
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: is going to be a good head coach. How the
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: hell would I know. I also don't know if he's
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: going to be a bad one.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't I don't think that you've been over
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: the top spin mode. I don't. And I'm not saying
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: that because you know, no, we're trying to make up
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: after a fight.
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  Speaker 5: I would just say first, speaking for myself, it's it's
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 5: just hard because you because you like Mayo personally, like
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: you just have gotten to talk to him, you know,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 5: so I want him to us right right, But it's
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 5: it's you know, you you just generally I like the guy,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 5: and so it's you know, you are kind of of
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 5: course with rooting for him to succeed, but you know,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 5: knowing him a little bit personally and having talked to
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: him a few times over the last few years, it's,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 5: you know, it is a little bit different where you know,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 5: I kind of appreciated the detachment from you know, Bill,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: like we never really I never, I mean I asked
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: him a couple of questions here and there, but we
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: never saw him, heard from him, didn't, you know. And
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 5: I felt, you know, I didn't feel bad when it
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 5: started to turn and it's like, oh my god, you
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 5: know this team has been bad now three.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: Years in a row, and guess what that's That's kind of.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: Why I I think with Girard, but he's green, like
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: he's just he's new to it. And I think what
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: worries me with with it is just Bill had such
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: all encompassing knowledge of football where every single phase of
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: the game and element of the team, he not only
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: was a part of it, but he had a right
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: to be a part of it. Yeah, you know, And
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: I think what worries me with with Girard is that
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: the offense is really going to be in a VP
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 4: in mcadoo's hands, to the point where their input on
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: who they drafted three overall might be even more than
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: the head coach.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, you know, when when McDaniels had his
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: first go around in Denver, when Patricia went over to
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: the Lions, what were they criticized for trying to be Bill?
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: Trying to be Bill? And I think might be the
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: other way, trying to go so far the other way,
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: Like I'm not going to be like Bill, even though
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: that's who I learned under. I'm going to try to
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: be not Bill and try to be myself and then
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: so doing you know, like EVI said, sometimes just say
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: so much.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: Right, But I would agree that they got criticized for
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: trying to be like Bill. But do you think they
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: would have continued to be criticized if they had won.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: I think that happened on day one with Patricia.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: I just said that, Yeah, I literally just said, I
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: agree that they were criticized for trying to be Bill.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: I said, do you think that would have continued if
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: they had?
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: Obviously, if you start winning, then everything you're doing.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: Is right right.
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  Speaker 5: But I think the hard part for me is like
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 5: the players were turned off by it, and it didn't
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 5: feel from a place.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: But I know what I would I would have, but
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: I would absolutely not want the coach to try to
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: be like Bill. I don't want that because you can't
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: fake that. You need to have one. Yeah, you don't
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: have the gravitas to do it.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: That's the positive side of what I was saying was
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 4: just Okay, he's not an offensive expert, so he's letting
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: the offensive experts deal with the offense, and he's going
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: to deal with the defense, and you know, so on
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: and so forth. I just somebody the head coach to
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: me is like the CEO that comes in and make
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: sure that everything's buttoned up the way it needs to be,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: and you just worry about whether or not he has
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 4: just the football cachet to be able to sit down
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: and say, well, offensively, why did we do that? Like
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 4: why why do were we running these set of plays?
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: Or why were we running the ball so much instead
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: of doing this or whatever? And I just I think
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: that it's he's kind of removing himself from that side
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: of the ball a little bit.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 5: That's something I would hope for Mayo though, is that
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 5: he tries to learn that stuff because if he is
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 5: going to be a head coach here for a long time,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 5: he needs to have a sense of the offense.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: He needs to have input on that, you know.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 5: And that it's because, like you know, as we talked
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 5: about with offensive coordinators and stuff like, if it is successful,
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 5: like Alex van Pelt might get a chance to be
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 5: a head coach somewhere, you need Mayo, I think, to
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 5: start to have a little bit more input on those.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: Kinds of things. So hopefully that's an area he can
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: he can grow.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, let's look at Andy Reid. How much
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: input do you think he has on the defense or
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: does he give that to you know, spectacle.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: That's a good question, right, And I think but Spagnola's
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: earned it, sure, you know, not that a VP is
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: a terrible higher not to like do that whole thing,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: but Spagnola is one of the best defensive coordinators maybe
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: in the history of the league. I mean, this is
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: the guy that's taken multiple defenses and won Super Bowls
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: with multiple teams.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 5: Can he have a boat with rings on it since
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 5: he's only been one Super Bowls as a coordinator or
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 5: is that Okay?
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: No, he's got to be silly.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: Barton Poland writes in to the trade down, no matter
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: what crowd, is there a trade down?
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: No matter what.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: I have heard the people, you can't get a quarterback
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: everything I've heard that, right, Isn't there a crowd that's
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: saying that Tom Cowen wants to trade down?
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he wants to trade down, but I don't think
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: he's like no matter.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: But isn't there the crowd that says you can't take
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: a quarterback until you've built up around him.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: Sure, yes, okay, so.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: That's that would be a trade down or at least
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: take of Marvin Harrison or something. Right, So anyway, to
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: this crowd he says that you cannot take a quarterback.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: Congrats you are the Bengals and Texans and you passed
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: up on Joe Burrow and c. J. Stroud. If you
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: love the quarterback, take them. So I don't know if
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: the Bengals and Texans were in the place that the
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: Patriots are when CJ. Stroud was sitting there or when
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: Joe Burrow was sitting.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: There, the Bengals Bengals were worse. So then he's right
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: the Texans. How do you know that those guys are
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: Joe Burrow and c J. Stroud? If I knew that,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: then it's not a decision, right.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: But but I think his point is, you know, if
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: the Bengals were that bad, they didn't let the fact
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: their roster. We keep them forgetting Joe Burrow.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: The Bengals, I agree with that. The Texans had two
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: full off seasons of Casario before they drafted c. J.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: Stroud. He had two full drafts.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 5: And going into those picks though that last I mean,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 5: we felt like his job was on the line with
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 5: how things were kind of going.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I just think that their situation when you
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: look at the Texans, I think everybody, look, they are
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: on your rebuild. Look how fastest came.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: No gets pretty close, I really do.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: I think they were really more like a two or
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: three year rebuilt like some of those drafts that they
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: had before this draft, like Nico Collins didn't come from
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: this draft that was that.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: Was Nico Collins was a Jag until c. J. Stroud
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: got drafted.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: No, I'm not saying that the quarterback didn't change the
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: equation for them. He obviously did. I'm just saying that
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: that roster was you know, they slowly built up that
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: roster over the course of a couple of years. I
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: mean Cazario took the job and didn't draft Strout until
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: his third draft. That's just a fact.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know we went over this on Tuesday his
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: first draft. He didn't know he wasn't for sure going
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: not have Watson, and he still drafted the guy in
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: the second round, which a lot of people want to
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: do with the Patriots like, So it's not like he
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: just said, you know, we're gonna wait and build the team.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: That's just the way it worked out. I don't think
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: this was like a design Oh that might be the
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: design plan. That might be the case, but I'm still
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: had Watson when he had his first draft.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: That you're you're probably right that it wasn't by design
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: that that was the plan. But that is how it
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: ended up working out.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: And then they ended up making the move because Watson
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: forced their hand and you know, for some other hands
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: to Ah good, Mike good before I believe, but and
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: I should know better. Joke still stand? Sorry my bad?
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: Mike in South Carolina. I do not see what the
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: hype around Drake May is. He gives me mac Jones
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: two point zero vibes.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: Really, I just don't know how you can watch that
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: guy throw the ball and I don't know how I
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: see that. My only question would be email back in
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: and tell me what do you think is similar between
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: the two players. I mean, I've heard a lot of that.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: He's just looking at mat Jones.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 4: I guess because they look at him the way he looks,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: maybe like his face.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: I don't do anything similar. One's big, one small, one runs.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: One can't. One can throw it through a wall, One can't,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: like get it through the wind.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: I don't really know this. There's not really a single
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: single larity other than the fact that they both play
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: quarterback and they're white. I'll just say it.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: Tom in England, if Fred's policy of taking the quarterback
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: you believe in be damned as true, should the Patriots
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: consider trading up to two to ensure they take May
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: if he's their guy, and what would it cost to
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: make it happen?
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: Why are the commanders trading the pick?
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like I could see that the commanders taking like
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: a huge haul from someone if they're not, you know,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: convinced on a quarterback. But if if they.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 4: Want May, why.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: Are they giving you the chance to take May? Right?
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: The commanders aren't trading the pick?
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: No, do you understand what I'm saying, If you want
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: to move up to two so you ensure that you
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: get May, why would Washington trade May if they want him?
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: But in this case they don't want him or necessarily
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: want them that bad. But the Patriots think somebody else does.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: Or do they say, hey, Patriots, the.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: Commanders are willing to trade with the Patriots, they'd be
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: willing to trade with somebody else too, And the Patriots
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: don't want to risk.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: What I'm saying, they wouldn't, But I'm saying if they
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: wanted May, they would take them. They wouldn't trade them
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: to anybody.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: Commanders wouldn't.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: Basically, what he's saying is like, if this is a
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: Jason Tatum situation where they actually want Jaden Daniels, so
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 4: they open up the auction for the number two pick
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: and they end up trading it to the Patriots and
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: still drafting Jaden Daniels.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't think there's much chance of that
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: me neither.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 4: But Adam Scheffer did say on one of his shows
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: that he's the winds are blowing towards them taking the commanders.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: Tell me, but isn't isn't there a scenario where the
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: Patriots get win that there's another giants trading beating down
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: the commander's door, right because they want Drake May and
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: they don't want the Patriots to pick them. And the
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: commanders are like, yeah, neither of these guys, and they're
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: willing to trade out like it.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 5: I don't know, Well, they'd have to be neither of
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 5: these guys, because right, I mean, then it would be
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: they're not gonna.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: Get it, not gonna get either they trade out, right, But.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: You know it's I mean for the commanders that they
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: really wanted.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, it would just be kind of them fleecing
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 5: the Patriots and taking their pick and then still getting
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 5: their guys exactly the.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 4: Jason Tatum like that's that that would be. The only
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 4: way is if they they do that, which I just
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: don't see why they would that. That would be as
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: anario like the commanders are taking a quarterback in two.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 4: That that's I don't know why we keep going back
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 4: and forth on what the commanders are going to do.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 4: It's just a matter of which quarterback they're picking.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: Yeap. The only trade up would be if you wanted
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: to do whatever it took to get your pick of
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: the litter. Yeah, it's got to Chicago.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: That would be to go to one, right, Tim writs
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: And Drake May is the odds on favorite to go
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: to the commanders. If you're Elliott Wolf, are you taking Daniels?
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: I still take Daniels. I do, but I don't feel
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: as good about it as I would.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 4: I feel like we did this to each other, like
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 4: we we've talked ourselves out of this.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: I know what I thought that.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, he's saying that Drake May is the
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: odds on favorite to go to the commanders? Is that true?
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 5: Do not adam the other way?
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: It's changed a lot over the last weeks, but I
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: think that most people today feel like Daniel's two.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree with that.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: You know, like if you go back to like two
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: weeks ago, coming out of the like directly out of
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: the owner's meetings, there was a huge thing that people
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: were saying that Adam Peters was a namor with JJ McCarthy.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. And then the other day it
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: was the Patriots are now at amor or.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: Whatever is that how you pronounce his name, Pauline. I
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: think so he's now says that Elliot Wolfe is a
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: namor with JJ McCarthy.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 4: Everybody's somebody is trying, you get J McCarthy making this
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: I don't want.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's making a strong push for j strong push.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 4: I believe that was the first telling you this is
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: all Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh is trying whoever the Chargers
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 4: want at five, that's not a quarterback he is doing.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 4: He's put in this JJ McCarthy stuff out there to
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: get him to go top four.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: So someone comes up and gets him, which somebody takes
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: four out of you know, the top four picks. Neighbors
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: they get.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: And they get whoever Hirison do that right.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: They got to take one of the receivers, whoever it
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: is that they're losing Allen and Williams. They need a.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: Receiver, zaying from New Jersey. I'm sorry, but if we
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: roll with Brissett, who's on a one year deal, in
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: a mid round quarterback, we really don't have hope. Uh
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: what are we doing?
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: But when hope?
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 7: For?
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: When? Right?
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: We'd be in QB purgatory for the foreseeable future. The
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: approach makes zero sense to me. I don't think the
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: idea of taking Brissette means were rolling with Brissette?
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: Well, just what do you think you know? And I'm
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: asking a retorical question, obviously to an emailer who can't
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: answer it, But like, what do you think that their
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: record would be if they wrote it with Brissette for
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: a whole year? So like, I don't understand why that.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: My guess is that you don't think it would be
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: very good. Based on the tenor of your email, I agree,
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: But why does that put you in quarterback purgatory? No,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: you'd be back because now I'm back with the top
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: ten pick, and you've got and sensibly I have a tackle, now,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: I have a wide receiver now, and maybe I don't
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: need as many things and I can put more of
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: my resources devoted to finding a way to get the quarterback.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: I don't want to do that plan because I think
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: you're at the third pick now. I'm just trying to
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: give Devil's advocate. Just because Brisset plays and you take
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: a quarterback, say on Day two or three, doesn't mean
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: that you're never going to get a quarterback. You're not
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: in quarterback purgatory. You're in quarterback purgatory. If you take
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: him and he fails, you take somebody else and he fails,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: like a lot of teams like the Jets, the Jets,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: the Dolphins before too.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 4: I would just say the one thing though, I would
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: say about like the trading down and then taking the
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: quarterback later, Like if you really do hit on those
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 4: two first round picks that you get from Minnesota, and
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 4: it's Pennis at thirty four, it's bo Nick's at thirty four,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 4: then they don't have to do as much heavy lifting,
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 4: Like they don't have to put the whole offense on
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: their back because they're going to have a stud receiver
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 4: and they're going to have a franchise tackle, and they're
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 4: going to have these pieces around them to do the
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: whole net neutral brock Purty type of thing. Yeah, So
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: I don't just because the quarterback in that scenario wouldn't
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 4: be the quote unquote game changer. You're hoping that the
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 4: supporting cast is going to be the game changer. I'm
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: not saying I would do it. I'm just saying that
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 4: you're given the other side.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, al Ceciliano says, I can't believe you guys like domes.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: The league is turning football into a pussy sport, and
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: so are you.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: Let's not forget that you don't hit people because inside
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: I don't do.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: By the way, let's not forget the snowball was the
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: start to something awesome, never to be duplicated.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 4: I mean that doesn't just because it was the start
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 4: of something. No, the only reason why I the only
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 4: reason why I like domes is because, as somebody that
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: covers the games, it's much more enjoyable experience to be
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: inside than it is to be in three degrees.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 5: And you can't even see the other end zone with
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 5: the snow.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: That's it. That's all through. That's it's selfish, and I don't.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: I don't love domes though, I that's not I don't
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: like when weather determines the op that's that's that's.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 5: That's it for me when it's you look back at
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: the game and you're like, yeah, they won, but it
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 5: was in a rain storm or like you know Lamar
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 5: Jackson game and what twenty twenty, you know, like those
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 5: games it was like and the heavens just opened up
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 5: as the as the Ravens were driving.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: That's against the Patriots. Sure, that game in Cincinnati that year,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: that random game that when all of a sudden, Brady
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: gets it back for a last drive and it's like
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: the rain just it was like Noah's ark yep, yeah.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 5: No, And that's just you just want a straight up
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 5: game that you feel like the better team won. It
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 5: wasn't affected because all of a sudden, at the perfect time,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 5: the weather became a huge.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: Issue exactly, Johnny writes in Johnny wanted to say thank
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: you for the last two episodes. It was well needed.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, what do we do?
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know. If you are the Chargers and you
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: really want JJ, do you trade Herbert to the Vikings
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: for two picks? Now, as the Chargers, you would have
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: three first round picks. You get your quarterback and receiver. Now,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: if you were the Vikings, would you do it?
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: Yes? If I were the Vikings, I would do it,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: but I don't know why the Chargers would do Justin Herbert.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 4: Honestly, though, when it comes to all this JJ McCarthy love,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 4: I do kind of want to be like, do you
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: want Jim Harbaugh? If he's that great, take them, take them,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: have them take them kill because he's so much better
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 4: than Justin Herbert, who's already amazing.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 3: So I just think that would be an amazingly dumb risk, right,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 3: And then I go down with that ship. I know
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: I have a guy that I can win with. I'm
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: going to trade him for a guy that I think
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: I can win in college.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: Just because he's the KAI coached in college.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 5: And then Herbert goes to some other team and continues
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: to light it up.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 4: And I blame Jim Harbaugh for all of this.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: Your theory is no, I only blame for one thing,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: the JJ McCarthy. But but it's plausible. Your theory is
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: plausible that he's trying to bump him up so much
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: to try to make sure that all four of those
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: picks are used on quarterbacks.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: That's what happens because these college coaches give input to
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: these teams, and now he's in. You know, he's leaking
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: this stuff to the media.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: J J.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 4: McCarthy killed his interviews. J J McCarthy his pro day,
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: best pro day I've ever seen, all these other things
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 4: like that, this is what we just keep doing with
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 4: this kid.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, yes, he's had time to
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: do all of those smoke screens. Yet still start o
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: t as chess. I'm not. I gave the first right,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: that's the fair warning. The fair warning. We don't have
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: to get back into it. But I'm going to just
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: toss there Horrorwitz, right Howitz?
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: I think so it's not to LESCo anymore. He got
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: he got first first time coach. How about that right
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: on time? No, I actually don't know who the GM is.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: Something if you would put a gun to my heads
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: with the raiders horts, I think it's like Hoitz, you
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: got from Baltimore. Yeah, now I know who it is. Yeah,
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: it is the first time, first time GM for a bunch.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 4: Of liars, and they're putting on a Hollywood movie about
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy over there.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: What do you think he goes really like realistically like
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 5: number pick I'm going to say twenty like I think
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 5: he's in mid round first mid first round.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the question is to who McCarthy will
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: take them. I don't know. I'm where. If I'm the
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: he's going in the top ten.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 4: If I'm the Vikings and like that's your let's say
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: that that's your guy, I would just I would roll
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 4: the dice that he's there at eleven. Yeah, I wouldn't.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't trade all my the picks. I just got
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: to just move up to four when I didn't didn't
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: take them because you take didn't take them.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 3: Doesn't it just make sense that they made that trade.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: Everybody says they made that trade so they could move up. Well,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: maybe they just want to. Maybe they just made that
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: trade so they didn't have to only take a quarterback, right,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: they could take a quarterback and something else.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why they required because they need a lot
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 4: of help on defense to the Vikings.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see Will Wrights in. If we planned on
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: running a backup quarterback like Jacoby, and we traded Mac
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: as a backup, why pay Jacoby just to trade Mac
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: to be a backup for six rounder. If they did
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: not plan to draft a quarterback, I think they should
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: have kept him. I believe the writing is on the
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: wall and we are going quarterback at three overall. If not,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: then why not give Jones a chance?
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 5: With young talents, It's Max not Apple Staples.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: I think they had to get him out. I think
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: they definitely are going to take a quarterback. I think
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: the Brissette signing told us that. But I agree with Mike.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: It's not like, oh, I'd rather have Brissett than Mac
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: Jones or I mean, I understand they wanted they needed
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: him to go out. I think he wanted out. I
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: think they thought that was best for him and them.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: Will Wrights in.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: I hear a lot of people saying draft Marvin Harrison
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: at three, but I don't see the point in that.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: If you can trade that pick for Jay jettis what
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: is I don't know.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 4: Justin Justin justin Jeffers Jets, Jets, is that what they
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 4: call him?
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 3: That's what he called three, pick.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: Eleven and maybe pick twenty three. I get they would
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: have to pay Jefferson a lot, but I definitely think
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: that's the better option. Yet, with that being said, I
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: still think you take the quarterback you want if he's
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: there at three instead of trading down. Do you think
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: receiver second and fourth round and tackle third round would
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: be a good draft. I think we should trade future
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: picks to acquire another second round and get two second
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: round receivers and then a tackle in the third. But
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: we may have to give up too much. Just want
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: to I don't want to do all that.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: I don't need to have everything done in this draft.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: I think they have, you know, high picks in those rounds.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: They need to make good picks. I don't think they
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: need to be sacrificing future picks to get additional picks.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: I just think they need to do a good job
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 3: with this draft. I'm not telling you this is like
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: a make or break draft. I know a lot of
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: people have been very you know, sky is falling with
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: this draft. If they don't nail this, this is gonna
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: put Now there's there's pressure on these picks. They need
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: to find some good players, especially on offense.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, just stay the course, Stay the course.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 4: I think the Marvin Harrison Junior people have quieted down
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 4: a little bit, just a little bit. I haven't I
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 4: haven't like as we get closer, I haven't heard like
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 4: that was really popular at the beginning of this whole thing. Yeah, now,
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 4: I you know, on all of our shows, I don't.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: I feel like we don't hear it.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: In my coach chamber. To me, what's surprising. But Marvin
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: Harrison is like two months ago, he was illy, he
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: was head and shoulders. There's no wide receiver close. He's generational.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: And now the other two neighbors in Romadoozi are like
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: right there.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 4: I agree, Yeah, yeah, I think you know, we've talked
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 4: about it, at least I have with Deuce. It's it's
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: a little bit like a would you rather DeVante Adams
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 4: or Tyreek Hill with Neighbors in him? Where it's just
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: kind of like what style of receiver would you prefer?
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 4: You know, Neighbors is the game breaker, He's the explosive
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: of you know, three level speed, whereas Marvin Harrison is
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 4: just this well rounded you know AJ Green and Davante Adams.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 4: Julio Jones like, this is perfect prospect. So which one
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: would you rather game plan against? As a defensive coach?
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 4: Who scares you more? As a defensive coordinator? I think
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 4: a lot of people convince themselves at the speed and
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 4: the big playability of Neighbors is more you know, tantalizing
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 4: and well freight, it's scary for a defense to prepare for,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 4: like Tyreek Hill versus Adams, Who's awesome, but you know,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 4: are you really up at night thinking like, you know,
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: what are we going to do against Adams all week long?
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 4: Whereas with Hill it's it changes the entire complexion of
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 4: your game.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: Plans, single play And I'm not going to tell you
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: that it'll never happen, you know, with the whole Minnesota thing.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: But I've said, you know since the trade, and I
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: kind of keeping the same thing with Jefferson. I just
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: don't see why they would trade them, Like they're going
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: to try to get a quarter based of the franchise
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: right now, and wouldn't you want to do whatever you
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: could to keep that guy so you get a good
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: evaluation of your quarterback.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 4: I don't think that they have any intentions really of
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: trading him. Yeah, I mean Ques said flat out like,
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know where this is coming from, but we're
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 4: not trading justin Jefferson. I know gms say that all
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 4: the time, But.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: Like the Buffalo thing, you know, like Mike and I
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: keep going back to it because you were like one
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: of the first ones I heard talk about it. You
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 3: understand where that was headed. I don't really hear a
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: lot of that With Jefferson. His contract is up and
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: they're going to have to pay him a lot of
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: money to keep them. I think they probably want to
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: keep them. And how do you do that. You can
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: put a good quarterback on the field and show him
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 3: like it doesn't have to be Kirk Cousins. I get
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 3: this guy too when he's.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: Going to get you the ball.
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  Speaker 3: Jj McCarthy, Sam Darnold, you know whoever. Jim McCarthy. Literally,
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: just my point is if I'm Minnesota, I want to
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  Speaker 3: do whatever I can to keep this guy because he
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 3: is a generational talent. Yeah, no doubt.
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  Speaker 4: I mean I think the biggest thing with him is
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 4: the contract, obviously, and they just drafted Jordan Addison, who
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 4: had a really good rookie year. You look at the
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 4: receiver class, you look at the talent that keeps entering
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 4: the league with the wide receivers, and maybe you think
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 4: it's more cost effective to do it. But they don't
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: have you know, we talked about this as the Bills
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 4: and the Chiefs, they don't have the luxury of the
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 4: quarterback like gust teams, and.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: Maybe he's bitching behind closed doors and we don't know.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: Maybe he's told him, you know, your guys can keep me,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 3: but I ain't resigning him no matter what. And then
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 3: you know he's forcing the hand. And if that happens,
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: that's why I say, I'm not going to be stunned
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: if I just don't see it right now. But if
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 3: those things are going on and we don't know about.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: Them, James writes in He's in the UK, All this
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: talk of trading down this year to collect picks for
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: weapons has me thinking why not do that next year?
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: With what looks like a much stronger quarterback class in
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: this draft compared to twenty twenty five. Get your guy
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: at three. But, as Fred says, only if you love him,
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: you could then trade down next year with what will
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: likely be a top five pick and grab some talent
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: that way.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: Couch.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: Using this method in theory, you could have a quarterback
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: in place who looks good, which could then make New
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: England a more desirable destination for free agents, while adding
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: talent around him in the twenty twenty five draft.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know, It's just it's a lot.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not really worried about making making this a more Uh,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 5: it's a lot like taking a quarterback.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 3: Like I don't think you can approach team building.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 5: We're just trying to make this a more attractive place,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 5: like just draft well and win games and that all that.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: Stuff takes care of itself.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: And you know, trying to get this point. If you
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: got the next Joe Burrow in place, that will make
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: it more. And that's justin Jefferson.
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  Speaker 5: That's why I just again, I keep going back to
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 5: you're at three. Overall, if Drake May is there, he's
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 5: worth missing on. He's worth taking that chance on. He's
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 5: got all the skill that you you could ask, He's
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 5: got that high ceiling that you need to say. I
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 5: could imagine this guy someday taking on Josh Allen and
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 5: leading a team you know, consistently over him or you know,
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 5: any I'm not even to say homes yeah, because that's a.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: Whole nother level.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 5: But you know that's what you have to be able
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 5: to convince yoursel that this guy can take you past
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 5: those teams. And you know it's a hard even when
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 5: you get past them, to J. J. McCarthy and Michael Pennix,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 5: to think.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the guy.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 5: You know, It's just I mean, maybe they are, and
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 5: but it'll be you know, one of those shot in
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 5: the moon, you know, shot in the dark kind of
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 5: things where he just randomly.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 4: Kind of the're talented with with Drake May is so
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 4: immense that if he's there, so immense and at number three,
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 4: I just I don't know how you pass on it,
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: like I just and maybe maybe the flaws don't end
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 4: up being ironed out, that he doesn't get the footwork
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 4: down and his mechanics down, that it's perfect, but it's
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 4: such a a worthwhile swing because the ceiling is just
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 4: so high that if it if it does work out,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 4: then you do have a Josh Allen, you do have
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: one of those guys.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: Joe and Washington State first time emailer love the show.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: Just want to get Fred on record how long he
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: will be grading the first time head coach and GM
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: on a curve? Is it for the duration of year one?
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: Two years? On record? We need to know when we
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: will be allowed to point out things that are shoes
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: without hearing the response, Well, he's a first time head
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: coach week four.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: Before you're giving him a month. I love how he
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: has a number of the top week four. I was
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: gonna say and two.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: And this, to a lesser extent, can be directed as Mike.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: As well, Oh what happened to Uh, he's got the
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: sneaky negative that he's got the first out of nowhere.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 3: I just I swayed him on that argument. I don't
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: know how I did.
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  Speaker 7: No.
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  Speaker 2: I think, you know, without kidding around, I think you know,
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: if you see like two three games into the season
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: and like they don't, you know you can. We made
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: fun of coaches who didn't know what they were doing
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: in a game.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 3: Well, if he looks like Nathaniel Hackett.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 2: Or I used to make fun of Chuck because he
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: I was thinking pretty good, I had the Bills on
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: my brain.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 3: That was good, you know, like fake punt. Aside, Chuckgono
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 3: won some games with a very average team.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: I don't care. He was a bad coach.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: He was terrible.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 5: Well, I think it was the same kind of question
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 5: that we were asking about Bill post Brady. How long
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 5: you know, how long before you can legitimately judge Bill?
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 3: And you know, I think we all give Bill.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 5: I mean, Bill had a huge resume that bought him
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 5: some time. But I don't know how you can't give
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 5: Mail the first year with you know, you can't be
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 5: screaming from the mom tops.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: But I'm just like his question, when would I start worrying.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 3: Worrying, you know, like if I stopped grading him on
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 3: a curve? Yeah, it's what the question if?
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: It's if it's like you know, Keystone cops during games
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: and they're making you know, questionable decisions, and I'm worried.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 5: Worried Now, that's that's I mean, I think it would
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 5: really have to be extreme by week four. But I
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 5: mean I think midway through the season you kind of
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 5: get a sense of what the team's identity is, and
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 5: you know what kind of job they did in the
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 5: draft and how these prospects are kind of coming along.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 5: But I mean, I would just say, generally speaking, I
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 5: don't I think, you.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: Know, if they take a you know, a guard in
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 3: the first round this year, I'm worried.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 5: You know, right, I mean, if Drake May is there
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 5: and they trade down and end up with you know,
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 5: the third best tackle and then they take one of
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 5: their you know, they take key On Coleman, you know,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 5: and Evan's like pulling his hair out, you know, just
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 5: the guys.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 3: They take Joe Milton with the number three Joe Milton.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: I just I can't do another draft like that. They
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 3: don't play a cornerback who's played ninety seven percent of.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 5: The right right, I'm worried, right right, Like take the layups.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, none of these things worried anybody at the
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 3: time when they actually happened.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 5: Well, if you heard Evans reaction to cold Stream, he
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 5: wasn't here.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 3: I would not have reacted if I was here like that.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 5: No, No, I mean, I mean, yeah, yes, I had
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 5: him as a Day three guy, but I mean I
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 5: like the aggressiveness that he you know, he's a real
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 5: maler there.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: He puts a defensive coach in his offensive corner.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: I'm wearing.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 3: Again, none of these things actually worried about at the time.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 3: Now I learned he told Patricia was going to work.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: I did. He's a human being, I did. I still
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: say that I will die on that hill. He deserves
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: our thanks. All right, that's gonna be for this edition
• 1:59:00
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• 1:59:05
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