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Downloading an Update on Gaming · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie.
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  Speaker 2: And Samantha.
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  Speaker 1: And welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You, a production
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  Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 3: And welcome to, well, I'm going to say it's a
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  Speaker 3: quick revisit about gaming, and we're not going to get
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  Speaker 3: too deep into it. I do want to put a
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  Speaker 3: timestamp because we are trying to get as many episodes
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  Speaker 3: done as Before our voyage. So when you listen to this,
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  Speaker 3: we'll be back. So we'll report back to you.
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  Speaker 2: Annie, stop that. Not the diamond plays. We'll come in
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  Speaker 2: and address that in a happy hour. Anyway, but today
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  Speaker 2: is September 22nd, 2026.
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  Speaker 3: The episode is obviously out much later than when we
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  Speaker 3: have recorded. And because we are talking about some current
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  Speaker 3: affairs stuff, This might be dated.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows?
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  Speaker 3: And I think one of the games we're going to
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  Speaker 3: talk about should be released by the time we publish this. So,
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  Speaker 3: all that to say is, now you know the time frame.
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  Speaker 3: Don't yell at us when you're like, that's not even
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  Speaker 3: true anymore, because I don't want to hear it. Does
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  Speaker 3: that sound very mom-like?
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to hear it from you.
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  Speaker 1: I'll turn this podcast right around.
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  Speaker 2: I will stop it right here. Okay, just kidding. All right.
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  Speaker 3: So, to begin with, because, you know, we need to know,
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  Speaker 3: first of all, Annie, how has gaming been for you lately?
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  Speaker 1: Kind of minimal, to be honest. Yeah, that's what I thought.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't heard much about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sad. I miss it. And I know I've
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  Speaker 1: spoken about I have a huge library. I have so
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  Speaker 1: many games that I want to play, especially when we're
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: entering Halloween. There's so many things. And I do find
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  Speaker 1: myself reminiscing about games I've played More than once that
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  Speaker 1: I want to replay around this time. I was fondly
• 2:02
  Speaker 1: remembering Silent Hill F the other day. But no, I
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  Speaker 1: haven't had that much time to play.
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  Speaker 3: And Last of Us Day is coming up because it's
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  Speaker 3: my birthday and I get reminded.
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  Speaker 2: Every year that that's Last of Us Day.
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  Speaker 3: And I forget every time until you remind me, which
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  Speaker 3: you just reminded me from another recording.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that's true. Maybe that day I'll... Because Samantha will
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  Speaker 1: be busy getting ready for our voyage. So maybe that
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  Speaker 1: day I'll give it a little play.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the first time. Well, no, because I've
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  Speaker 3: done visits. I've gone out of town where you haven't
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  Speaker 3: been a part of it. Surprisingly, I don't know how
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  Speaker 3: that happened, where you weren't around for my birthday. But yes,
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  Speaker 3: so maybe you'll have a small break because hopefully we've
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  Speaker 3: been caught up because I'm leaving a little early and
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  Speaker 3: have some extra stuff to do.
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  Speaker 2: So you'll have a little bit of a break.
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  Speaker 3: So maybe that can be your future game through since
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  Speaker 3: it is, again, last of us day.
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  Speaker 2: If you know, you know. And I know. And I know. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, actually, the last time, I think the
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  Speaker 1: last time my dog sat peaches at your house, that's
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  Speaker 1: when Silent Hill F came out and I had it
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  Speaker 1: delivered to your house.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: So I could play it on your amazing TV with
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  Speaker 1: your surround sound.
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  Speaker 3: Which is hysterical, but also you're pretty adamant that my
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  Speaker 3: house is haunted.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 3: Which has never been a thing for me, but that's okay.
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  Speaker 1: They like you.
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  Speaker 2: They protect me, okay. I'm good with that. I love that.
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  Speaker 2: Like someone. Just kidding. But with that. It is the
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  Speaker 2: best place to do it.
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  Speaker 3: Because also, like, you have random noises every now and again.
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  Speaker 3: Peaches likes to stare off into space. Like, did you
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  Speaker 3: see this?
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  Speaker 2: It's an atmosphere. Yeah, so it definitely creates an atmosphere.
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  Speaker 1: And it was storming, remember? It was really bad storms.
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  Speaker 2: And neither you or Peaches can handle that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we were huddling together.
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  Speaker 3: Y'all are the same persons.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Written in different species. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So with that, what was your last playthrough of anything then?
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  Speaker 1: It might have been.
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  Speaker 2: You have a few that you have playthroughs.
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  Speaker 1: It might have been when we did our last gaming
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  Speaker 1: episode and we did Oxenfree and we did Unboxing and
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  Speaker 1: the other game that was like a Dungeons and Dragons episode.
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  Speaker 2: So it's been January?
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  Speaker 3: Because I looked back to see when our last gaming
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  Speaker 3: episode was, and that was in January.
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  Speaker 1: I think so, because Silent Hill F came out September 25th,
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  Speaker 1: I remember. So that would have been my previous one.
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  Speaker 1: I think that was it. Oh, girl.
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  Speaker 2: You've been busy.
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  Speaker 3: It's because you're also partially doing fanfic writing.
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  Speaker 2: What's the name of it again?
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  Speaker 1: Nope.
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  Speaker 3: Nope.
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  Speaker 2: I tried that really hard that time. Oh, that's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: So I feel like you've already answered this question, but
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  Speaker 3: what will be your next playthrough then?
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  Speaker 1: So I do have a lot of games that I really,
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  Speaker 1: really want to play. I want to get into Alan Wake.
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  Speaker 1: I heard really good things about that one. But we've
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  Speaker 1: talked about this before. One of my issues is I
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  Speaker 1: have a really hard time Stopping.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So if Alan Wake, for example, is a long game,
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  Speaker 1: that's going to my whole weekend, if not more. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to sleep that much. That's it. So
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  Speaker 1: like shorter game wise, you and I were talking about this.
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  Speaker 1: I really want to play Undertale.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It has a very interesting like way that you play
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  Speaker 1: it wherein you don't necessarily have to fight, which I
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  Speaker 1: really like. It's creative and you can get a really
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  Speaker 1: good ending. If you don't fight anybody.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, you did tell me that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I believe that that is shorter and maybe
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  Speaker 1: more manageable. I also told you the first time I
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  Speaker 1: tried to play it, I got stuck, which I, to understand,
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  Speaker 1: is very rare. So I don't know what I did wrong.
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  Speaker 1: But I really want to play that one. I've seen
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  Speaker 1: it pop up on a lot of... I watch some
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  Speaker 1: YouTube videos about video games, and it always pops up as,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this is one of the really creative... uh
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  Speaker 1: game also soma i want to play soma but that
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  Speaker 1: sounds difficult it's like an underwater very depressing.
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  Speaker 3: Game but that sounds exactly like you it does right
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  Speaker 3: yeah it does so then you just answered your own
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  Speaker 3: question games on the horizon oh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah uh i mean there's there's so many and
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  Speaker 1: we've talked about So many of them on this show.
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  Speaker 1: And I hate how often I'm like, yes, I want
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  Speaker 1: to play that. And I do want to play it.
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  Speaker 1: It just is, you know, the time of it. And
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  Speaker 1: it's almost like it's the same anxiety I have about
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  Speaker 1: watching TV shows is that I know I'm just going
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  Speaker 1: to get hooked and I won't stop.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But I did.
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  Speaker 3: You're really good about stopping because you like the week
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  Speaker 3: in week.
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  Speaker 1: It depends.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's because they make you do it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It depends. Like, I remember the last of us
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  Speaker 1: two came out. I don't think I slept at all
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  Speaker 1: that weekend. Like, not adding. But I did, like, the
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  Speaker 1: episode we did with Jonathan, he gave a lot of
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  Speaker 1: examples that I really wanted to play.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I immediately downloaded them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They're there.
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  Speaker 2: I played a few of the games that you didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I got stuck.
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  Speaker 3: And they weren't hard games. They were literally just like,
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  Speaker 3: do these two things.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, nope. I'm not a quitter, though. I
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  Speaker 2: can't easily do it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm done. Yeah. Well, it's your free time. If you're
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  Speaker 1: not enjoying it.
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  Speaker 3: There are days that I'm like, I think I'm doing
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  Speaker 3: it right. And maybe possibly some of my stubbornness, I'll
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  Speaker 3: be like, no, you don't do it this way. This
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  Speaker 3: is ridiculous. And I can't get past that part. So
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  Speaker 3: I can't change my mind on how to do it.
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  Speaker 2: So I just get stuck.
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  Speaker 1: It's fine. Yeah. I will say, I think it was E3.
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  Speaker 1: It might not have been. A big video game convention
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  Speaker 1: just happened. And they announced a lot of games and
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  Speaker 1: released a lot of gameplay and trailers for games I'm
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: excited about. The new Kingdom Hearts, the new Silent Hill.
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  Speaker 1: I think there was a Resident Evil. But just like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of Final Fantasy. Yeah. So that got me
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  Speaker 1: pretty hyped.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But that's like 2027. Yeah. Well, 2027 is not that far.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: That's only like a few months.
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  Speaker 1: It's just strange to think.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just letting you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's come by quickly. It's come by quickly. Speaking
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  Speaker 3: of loving Raisins and Evil, you've been talking about it.
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  Speaker 3: Because I was like, you know what? You need to
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  Speaker 3: come back and talk about it because you had one
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  Speaker 3: of the best times over the weekend. One of the
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  Speaker 3: few breaks that you've had since I was like, we
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  Speaker 3: got to get this. all these things done we're just
• 9:21
  Speaker 3: seeing the new resident evil right so i was like
• 9:24
  Speaker 3: you know what we need a review you don't have
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  Speaker 3: to do a full review but at least give us
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  Speaker 3: the down low about what is happening and what you
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  Speaker 3: really enjoy because you came back with like texting me
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  Speaker 3: about how much fun you.
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  Speaker 1: Had it was so fun it was so fun so
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: i'm not uh i'm gonna try my best not to
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  Speaker 1: spoil it But if you absolutely don't want any spoilers,
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: then just like skip ahead a couple minutes. Skip ahead. So, yes.
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  Speaker 1: this was a Zack Kreger movie who also did Barbarians
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  Speaker 1: and Weapons. And it came out September 18th. I went
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  Speaker 1: to see it that day. Samantha knows I was so excited.
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  Speaker 2: So excited.
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  Speaker 1: Even before I was like going, I was like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, I'm so excited. And it's been a while
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  Speaker 1: since I've been that excited. But there was just so
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: much buildup about it. There was a lot of hype
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  Speaker 1: about it. It had gotten all these great reviews. I've
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  Speaker 1: spoken before about Resident Evil. The movies are not good.
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  Speaker 1: um they are fun in some cases in some cases
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  Speaker 1: very much not fun uh but they're not good movies
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  Speaker 1: no one would say they're good movies so it was
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  Speaker 1: exciting to hear like this is the like highest rated
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: video game movie of all time stuff like that what
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: could this be um and there was also a lot
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: of kind of fan backlash before it even came out
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  Speaker 1: because there weren't any characters from the game there wasn't
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  Speaker 1: any plot line from the game in it which they
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  Speaker 1: kind of similarly did in the other movies and the
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  Speaker 1: director of those said it was because there would be
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  Speaker 1: no scare like you would already know what happens which
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  Speaker 1: I think is there's some truth to but I also
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  Speaker 1: think if you did it well even if you know
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  Speaker 1: what's coming you could scare people right like I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that's necessarily an ironclad excuse But me and my
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  Speaker 1: friend Katie, who have grown up playing these games way
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  Speaker 1: too young, playing Resident Evil 1 and 2, and then
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  Speaker 1: 3 and 4. And then 3 and 4, yeah, we did.
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  Speaker 1: We went to go see this movie at a local
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  Speaker 1: beloved theater, the Plaza.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And they had a costume contest before. And let me
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  Speaker 1: tell you, we were there 30 minutes ahead of time
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  Speaker 1: and we were in the back row. It was packed out.
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  Speaker 1: The costume contest had, I would say, at least 30
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  Speaker 1: people participating. And they said it was the biggest costume
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  Speaker 1: contest they'd ever hosted. And they had to do it
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  Speaker 1: in three chunks because there were so many people.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And they would pick... the winner from each chunk and
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: uh the guy who won there's a lot of leons
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: and a lot of ada's so if you know we
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: have done an episode on ada actually for fictional women
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: around the world um but if you know they're kind
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: of a couple kind of a love hate uh she's
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: the spy and he's the agent kind of situation going
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  Speaker 1: on there were a lot of them but the person
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  Speaker 1: who won was a leon and And I think he
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  Speaker 1: deserved to win, but I would be mad if I
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  Speaker 1: was another competitor because he did tricks. None of them
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: else did tricks, but he did, like, backflips and, like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, so he.
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  Speaker 3: Was doing a fan-like service.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, if I could do a trick,
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  Speaker 1: maybe I would have done something differently. But, yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: he won, and I do think he deserved it. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just saying I would have had a little moment of, like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but what?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes. So... The movie is really interesting. And that
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  Speaker 1: is one much funnier than I thought it was going
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  Speaker 1: to be. It was very funny. And it does not...
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  Speaker 1: You could easily see that movie and not know what's
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  Speaker 1: related to Resident Evil at all. Oh, really? Yes. Like,
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  Speaker 1: if you know what Resident Evil is, you would. But
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  Speaker 1: it never... It mentions Raccoon City once, which is where
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  Speaker 1: it happens. And it has the similar zombies throughout, but
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  Speaker 1: it really doesn't lean into that at all. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that's kind of interesting. It's really visually cool. There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of visuals that they did. It's very snowy.
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  Speaker 1: And very early on, a cop car gets overturned, but
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  Speaker 1: you see the blue and red light. Like, in the dark,
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  Speaker 1: in the snow, throughout, like, all the scenes. And that's
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  Speaker 1: really cool. It has a lot of Easter eggs, like
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  Speaker 1: the typewriter, where you save in the games. You save
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  Speaker 1: your game. It has, like, the revenant zombie, which is
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  Speaker 1: the zombies that come together and make a bigger creature.
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  Speaker 1: And then the T-virus, obviously. which is what causes the
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: whole thing. But they only mentioned the Umbrella Corporation once too,
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: and that's the corporation behind all of this. But they
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: have a lot of video game.
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  Speaker 1: The way video games progress, the way Resident Evil progresses,
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  Speaker 1: they have a lot of nods to that. And I
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: find this interesting, because this has actually been a critique
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: I have of a lot of movies lately, is that
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  Speaker 1: it feels like I'm playing a video game, but it
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  Speaker 1: side quest and it's kind of boring and you're like
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: but what about this main thing though? Like why are
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: we doing this side thing? I don't understand. That's a
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: very video game type thing that I think works more
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: in that format than it does in movies. But in
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: this it was really cool because it was like the
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: main character Brian he upgrades his weapons. That's a very
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  Speaker 1: common video game thing. He has like the one big
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: stalker and in Resident Evil that's a huge thing whether
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: it's Tyrant or Nemesis like they're the scary ones that
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: are following you everywhere and like lurking everywhere uh so
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  Speaker 1: it was cool that it had all of these nods
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  Speaker 1: that were subtle enough that I think if you never
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: interacted with Resident Evil you'd just be like this is
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: a good funny zombie movie and it is scary it
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: has like really great jump scares um some of them
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  Speaker 1: I really like people were screaming in the audience because
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: it was just there's one in particular that got me
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: good but yeah I mean I think that it was
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  Speaker 1: just a really interesting creative take on a franchise that's
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: been around for a long time while still sticking to
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: because Resident Evil is weird and funny oh another thing
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  Speaker 1: they did is and I've talked about this before A
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: lot of the, in Resident Evil, there's like puzzles that
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: are so strange. You're like, who would ever design this puzzle?
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  Speaker 1: This makes absolutely no sense. And a lot of locked doors.
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  Speaker 1: So they had that running gag throughout that he could
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: never get in a door. And that's just a nice little,
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  Speaker 1: I remember playing this. You couldn't get anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: So it felt real.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It felt real.
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  Speaker 2: Like, yep, I've experienced this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So that's, I mean, I could go on and on,
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  Speaker 1: but I feel like that's my take is that it
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  Speaker 1: was a really fun, surprisingly funny, in my opinion, nice, atmospheric,
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  Speaker 1: scary homage to Rest in Evil. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So 1010 would recommend?
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Absolutely would recommend. Okay.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: But it needs to be seen in movies, theaters, you think?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that's a personal preference. If you're
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: really like me, love horror and or Resident Evil, I
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: would say see it in theaters because it is very atmospheric.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: And the audience reaction built on it. It was fun. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: That's a recommendation you need to know. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I will say that obviously everybody at that
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: showing was probably really into Resident Evil. Well, yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that audience reaction will be the
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: same outside of that. But it was great watching it
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  Speaker 1: with that crowd. It was really fun.
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  Speaker 2: And for the show, Katie, she dressed up, right?
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: She was going to and then did not.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: She's so good with costumes, so I just assumed she did.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think because we were just off of Dragon
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Con and all this stuff, she didn't have time. But
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: she wanted to. And we had like a throwback. the
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: first time we ran a race together, we went as, uh,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: escapees from the Raccoon City jail. Uh, and so we
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: were going to bring that one back, but we didn't.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: We didn't have time.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: I have a feeling this is going to be huge
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: for next year's Dragon Con then, right?
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I think so. I'm always hesitant about things that come
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: out right after Dragon Con.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: That they might like kind of fade from the zeitgeist, but, uh,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: There's definitely, I think it would be really funny to
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: do the main character plus his, he's a medical courier.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: So he transports organs to other hospitals and he's just
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: extremely careful with the organs, which I think is great.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: but he's like like talking like buckling it in and
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: like okay it's gonna be okay so i think if
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: somebody was him with the like bag like yeah that'd be.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Funny people get on it next year you know it's
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: a full year right but still.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Next year halloween's coming right up so oh yeah i
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: bet that'll be big in halloween too it could be
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: it could be i'm curious i like how Outside of
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Resident Evil fans have listed because I mean, it did
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: do really well. It made like the most money. I
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: think the fourth most money of any video game movie
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: ever made. It made more than any representation. Evil movie
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: has ever made in its first weekend right um but
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know like how much of that was the
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: fans or if it was people outside of it I
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: I've been being fed a little bit in our in
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: my for you page and one of the things I
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: saw was like the director talking about how He almost
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: killed the main actor with a blood bag. And the
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: actor was sitting next to him like, you know, I
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: almost died. And the director's laughing.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: He's like, sorry about that.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: All good. You know, all's well that ends well.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I just love the reference of blood bag as well.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what? What? Okay. Leaving that be. Leaving that be. Anyway, well,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: thank you for that review. Good to note.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Because I love good, like, scary movies. So that sounds
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: like something I could enjoy without understanding what's happening.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I think you get it. It's actually pretty straightforward. Okay. Yeah.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I think the references are just for, like, a wink, wink, nod, nod. Like,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: but you don't need those.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Who was the actress? Was that Mila Yovanovitch?
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Okay. I just lost that altogether. Mila Yovanovitch?
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: She said this is the best, like, she said... I'm
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: glad someone actually made a really good version of this
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: in reference to that movie. And then I think her
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: husband was the one that directed the old ones with her.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Which you're like, what?
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: They have their place, but they are not good movies.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Look, it is like cult classics, though. I do know that.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Which is why they kept making more and more and more.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Well, and a lot of Resident Evil is
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: really goofy. The thing's about, like, every game feels so different.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: So it's hard to, like, put a blanket statement over it.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: But some of them are so goofy. And, like, the
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: villain Wesker, when they introduced him in the movies, I
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: laughed aloud. He's such a ridiculous character, and I love
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: him dearly. But he's not someone that I would fear.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: in a movie situation I'm sure like because he controls
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of the government so I'm sure that's very
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: scary but I just laughed out loud it didn't help
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: that that movie was in 3D oh oh no yeah
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: and he like threw he has these sunglasses he wears
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: all the time and he like threw them at the
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: screen and so they're coming at you I was laughing
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I was laughing so hard.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: That's an interesting like scare tactic yeah hilarious well thank
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: you for that I'll put that on a movie. I'm
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: going to look that up later. With all of that,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: we're still talking about video games.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: How is your Animal Crossing Island? How's it going? Have
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: you checked it?
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I haven't checked it in a long time, but I
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: will tell you, I think I have given this update before,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: but in case I haven't, Or just as a reminder,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I did complete everything. Oh, you did, yeah. I got
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: everything in the museum. I got every creature. I did
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the whole thing. I completed it. I even became one
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: of those, you could design people's houses, and I got
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: something for that. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. And I got
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: some of my preferred villagers in there.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Dang.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty good.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: You need to go check on it because it's probably
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: overgrown now.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, gosh. I'm sure it is.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: I need you to know that it's going to be
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: really overgrown and some of your villagers may have left.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: And so there may be empty houses.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Not the star guy.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: You might want to go check on that because some
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: of them, after a while, may leave.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, no.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I worked so hard to get star guy. I know
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: you did.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: I'm going to need you to go back and check.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: And I say this as a person who has abandoned
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: my island a few times.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: And, y'all, it's not looking great. And people have left.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what happened to this creature? They abruptly left.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: I want it to be noted. I still haven't gotten
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: my museum together. I got all the paintings. I'm having
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: a hard time with the creatures. I think I got
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: all the fruits.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I got that, too.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Don't have the fish. I got to go back.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: I keep going to the wrong season, even with me cheating.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: So the wrong season.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I love it when you cheat and still lose. You
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: know what?
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: I don't need this attitude from you, Annie, about my
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: type B island, okay?
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: I don't do well when it comes to design. Don't
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: get me to design anything. I can't do it. And
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: I get really anxious about it, and then I just
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: give up. That's my theme in life.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: I give up.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Anyway, so speaking of games, speaking of games, I want
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: to talk about what is happening in gaming and women
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: a little more. And also want to talk about some
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: of the new women-led games that might be out there
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: that we could take part in, like could be interesting
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: for us. Some of these things have not completely been released.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Some of these, actually, none of these have been released
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: as of our recording time.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I'll say that. And some of them have not had
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: dates yet. So we don't know.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: And I know a lot of times they kind of
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: fall through. So cross your fingers and probably should check
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: up on all the other games that we recommended. A
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: few of them have like the Tavern Talk. We talked
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: about that and that came out. Thought we would talk
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: about a few that I was thinking would be interesting
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: for either you, me or both of us. And this
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: is just a small amount of games. A shout out
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: to digitallydownloaded.net who listed off these new games. And I
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: think they had like a shout out for it in general.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: And the list was published.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: On June 4th, 2026. So if you want to go
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: look it up. So let's talk about a game they
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: highlighted that I think, again, maybe something of interest to you, Annie.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: And it's called Kashmar, The Last Reverie. So this is
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: from the digitally downloaded.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: NET article.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Kashmar, The Last Reverie, is set in a retro-futuristic world
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: inspired by 19th century Central Europe. It combines gothic and
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: steampunk aesthetics. The game features world building, novel mechanics, which
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: fall somewhere in the spectrum between dreams and nightmares, and
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: agency when navigating the waking world or the dream world.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: The type of action depends on Violet's abilities, upgrades, and skills.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: There are multiple endings with variable factors, and player choices
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: shape the world. And I feel like that's right up
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: your alley. This level of changing things, doing things differently,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: and how that changes things, and then how it kind
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: of builds on itself.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. No, I love a good atmospheric. What's going
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: on here? I'm not sure. And then your decisions can change,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: like how the world is or what happens with it. Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: So this is from the description from Steam site, the
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Steam site, about raised among cadavers, feared by the living
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: and ignored by her father. Violet has only one place
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: of warmth. the dream world she shares with her best friend.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: A mysterious sleeping plague takes everything away, forcing Violet to
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: venture where no one dares. So the description is super interesting,
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: I think. And the actual game comes from Purple Ray Studios,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: and it should be released sometime in 2027. And part
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: of the description is, it kind of hints at not only.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Who is Violet, but what is Violet.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: So, you know, lots of things. So I think it's
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: the one to look out for. I think it'll be
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: really fun and interesting for you. For me, I don't
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: think I would survive very long.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: In this game.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: But it might be one of those things that I
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: want you to play to tell me how fun it is.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: We'll put that in that list. So next one we
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: have that seems to be up my alley a bit
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: more so called Taste of Heaven. And again, to that digitaldownload.net.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Taste of Heaven, set in the birthplace of the universe,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: blends cooking gameplay with RPG progression and roguelite replayability. Take
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: on the role of a chef serving waves of hungry gods, godlings,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: and wandering souls. Each customer is unique with their own
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: personality and fun dialogue. The recipe system encourages creativity and experimentation.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Spirit Away inspires the beautiful world. So as I was
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: watching the video about it, the creator does talk about
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: how she loves Spirit And many other characters are inspired
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: by that. The animation is also inspired by that. So
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: it sounds very.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Beautiful in itself.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: So this is from Chromatic Dreams Studio, and they write this.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Embark on an epic journey, trade with merchants, gather ingredients,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: and encounter rare.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Events along the way. So you're going on a whole.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Journey to get all the stuff. So it's set to
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: release in early 2027. It's beautifully illustrated and seems to
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: have a bit of romance. So I'm excited to see
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: what that means and what happens when it's released. But, like,
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: I love a good cooking game that's not intended for
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: you to argue with your partner.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: What game could you be referring to?
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Which, by the way, there is a VR gaming spot
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: where you can... play that in vr with people that
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: sounds either really fun or really chaotic.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Or really traumatic Depending on who you end up with.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so I was like, oh, that's cool.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: And the way they showed the animations of them cooking
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: was super cool. It kind of has that setup of,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: you know, you coming from the point of view of
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: the chef.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: So you're talking to customers and then getting their order.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: So it seemed really cool. So something that I think
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: I might be interested in and we might have to
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: look into next year. Then we have one that's for
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: both you and I, Annie. Not that the other ones
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: you can't play, but some of them I can't play,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: you know. And it's a game by Catalyst Games, Dungeons
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: and Dining Tables.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: That's what it's called.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: So from steampower.com, Dungeons and Dining Tables is a cozy
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: adventure RPG where you play as an axolotl on a
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: quest to decorate their house and defeat the termites out
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: to eat their furniture. So it says in the game,
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: you explore dungeons where you solve puzzles defeat enemies, and
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: to try to find furniture to loot. So the more
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: unique the furniture, the better you get points on. But yes,
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: you have puzzles and you have things that, like, I
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: think that's the, there's dungeons involved, but I think it
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: has a play on Dungeons and Dragons type of feel,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: the quests. And then you go back to your home
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: and you decorate it. Super cute animation. First of all, axolotls.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: They're really cute. I can never say the names right,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: but they're really cute. And for the longest time, I
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: didn't know they were real. I thought they were mythical creatures,
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: to be honest.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: They sound like mythical creatures.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Right? And you look at them, they still look like
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: mythical creatures to me. They're like tiny dragons or animations.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know how to explain them. So from their Prescott,
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: the Catalyst Games, it says, delve into procedurally generated dungeons
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: to loot rare furniture and decorate your home because the
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: cozier your house is, the stronger you become. Increase your
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: comfy points to level up your abode. Boost your stats
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: and unlock new perks. Help the quirky residents of Kindle rest.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Conquer puzzles and defeat bosses by helping them overcome their
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: own insecurities.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Or just give them a good whack.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Uncovering a heartwarming tale of kindness, community, and one prickly villain.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Who just needs a hug.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Everybody needs a hug.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: There is no current release date on this one. So
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: this one and those, like, oh, I hope it happens.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: But they do have a Kickstarter. Kickstarter. So if you're
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: interested in it, but I really did think the animation
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: was really cute. So cross your fingers. I hope this
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: one happens because this.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Would be fun.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: I think. Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: I think so too. Come on.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Anybody?
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: No.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Okay. And then the last one for today, and of
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: course there's many more, is a.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Nice and spooky one.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: This is probably more for you than me. Called Blue
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Ridge Hunting. And yes, this is set in the Appalachian Mountains.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: specifically West Virginia, but from steampower.com, they write, in Blue
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Ridge Hunting, team up with friends to investigate, document, and
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: take down these terrifying creatures lurking in the shadows. Explore
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: expansive open-world maps inspired by real locations across the Appalachian
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: region and come face-to-face with some of its most feared
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: and mysterious beasts. I will say, I know the open-world
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: part is not your favorite part, but it's spooky ghost stories, Annie.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: This is true.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: It's like I'm talking you into it.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: From their site, BlueRidgeHunting.com, Blue Ridge Hunting is an online
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: co-op horror game. You and up to four friends will investigate, document,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: and hunt cryptids in the Appalachian Mountains of Eastern America
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: based on real sightings, phenomena, and legends from the region.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Join the Appalachian investigation team and utilize various tools and
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: items to collect evidence and track down creatures. Get paid
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: for successful hunts and use your money to invest in
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: new equipment. Creatures are always listening and looking. Utilize proximity
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: with voice chat and your radio for communications, but be
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: careful not to attract too much attention.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Again, right up your alley. The fact that they can
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: actually hear you.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Oh. I've talked about alien isolation. I've never beat that game.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: It scares me so badly. And the alien is like,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I'll just hide here. Won't hear me.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: But you're breathing. And so it's like, nope. Yeah.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: So I thought that was like interesting. I know some
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: of the things are not necessarily typical for your gaming preferences,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: but I'm like, maybe this will be interesting in this level,
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: especially like I know some of your friends are also
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: cool into RPG type of play.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: So this could be an interesting thing.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: Some features they list are retro art style. So they
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: have like 3D art style that was like, okay, inspired
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: by real places and legends. And has an original soundtrack
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: that is, quote, inspired by the dark bluegrass and ambient
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: guitar genres.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: I know. I feel like that's a plus for you.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: So this is created by independent game studio Jade & Company.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: And this is from jadecompany.games, their site. Jade & Company
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: is an independent game studio created by Jade Meadows to
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: provide a home for friends and colleagues that contribute to
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: the development of our projects. We are a collective of artists, composers,
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: and designers based all around the world. And yeah, this
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: game is set to be released October of 2026. That
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: means next month slash this month. And I think it's
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: really cool. Again, each one of these are women-led games.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: We love that.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: We hope for their success. We want to see it grow.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: We want to see more of them because we think
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: it's important to have more women voices come out, especially
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: in an industry that is predominantly men-led. but played by women.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: And like we talked about the stats before, but women
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: do outnumber, not necessarily like PC or gaming consoles, but
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: like mobile gaming and such. And they do come on
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: top in that level. So I think it's still important
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: because we know mobile gaming is still gaming.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, it is.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: To be reiterated.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: With that, let's talk about what's happening in gaming world.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: And basically, One big one specifically. So we're going to
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: concentrate specifically on AI because I think we've talked a
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: lot pretty expansively about world of gaming, women in gaming,
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: women who play the games, all those things. So I
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: thought we would take a small look. And this is
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: a very small look, y'all, because I just barely tapped
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: into it, mainly because there's not a lot of research
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: right now about women who are in the gaming industry
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: and how AI is affecting them.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: So this is just a broader scope of what.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Is happening because It's so new in the conversation, even
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: though it's kind of been around for a minute, technically,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: but it's so new in the conversation and the destruction
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: and or the betterment of the industry that there's not
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: a lot to be given in stats when it comes
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: to women, because obviously it always takes a lot longer
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: when it comes to about getting information about women in
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: these fields, in any field, in any subject period. So
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: we're going to look at the broader scopes a bit.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: So how is AI working? affecting the industry in general.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: We've talked about the damage of AI in general when
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: it comes to jobs, specifically when it comes to women.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: And this is from the International Labor Organization. They wrote
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: this in March of 2026. They say, across countries with
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: available data, occupations dominated by women are almost twice as
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: likely to be exposed to a generative AI as male-dominated ones,
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: the study finds. around 29% of female-dominated occupations are exposed
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: to generative AI compared to just 16% of male-dominated occupations.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: The difference is even starker when looking at high automation risk. 16%
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: of female-dominated occupations fall into the highest exposure categories compared
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: to only 3% of the male-dominated ones. So these are
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: pretty big numbers. These are pretty big differences. And again,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: we're talking about all jobs in general. And in that
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: same article, they write this, the brief generative AI occupational
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: segregation and gender equality in the world of work shows
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: that women are disproportionately exposed to generative AI for three
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: main reasons. They are overrepresented in jobs most susceptible to automation.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: They remain underrepresented in AI related in science, technology, engineering,
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: and mathematics, STEM occupations, and AI systems themselves often reflect
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: and reproduce the gender biases embedded in societies.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: We've talked about this repeatedly.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: We've talked about this in so many of the AI-related episodes.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: We've talked about this with Bridget in so many of
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: our AI-related episodes. So with that, what about the world
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: of gaming? Well, again, this is something that is currently
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: being looked into, but of course, we have to talk
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: about the broader level because they're not looking at specifically
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: women because they never.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Do until after the fact.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: According to reports made by Game Developers Conference or gdconf.com,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: The people who they surveyed showed that one out of
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: four gaming industry people were laid off in the last
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: two years. So that's just in general, not necessarily because
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: of AI, but just in general. And a manager stated
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: it was because of restructuring, while employees stated it was mismanagement.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: So the Game Developers Conference specifically did surveys with people
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: who showed up to their conference and or were a
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: part of it and so was able to get their take.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: It says within the company, there was a reported of
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: like 52% usage of AI in any of the companies.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: From their report, they say this. Overall, about half, 52%.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Said generative AI tools are being used at their companies,
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: including one third, 35% of those who don't use AI themselves.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: So it's no surprise that they're seeing more companies adopt
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: the policies on generative AI. According to the survey, over three-fourths, 78%
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: of respondents work at companies with some form of internal
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: policy on AI use. while 15% said there's no policy,
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: and 7% said that we're unsure. So AI is having
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: a conversation in these companies. Whether it's being used, whether
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: it's being told not to use it or regulating it,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: it's being talked about, and the policies are trying to
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: reflect that. 52% of the companies are using it.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: So that's quite a bit. That's a big turn.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: So with all these numbers online, We do want to
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: note that the number of people who attended as well
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: as who took these surveys were a majority of white men. Because, again,
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: the percentage is something that we have to talk about.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: But it was interesting to see who was being represented
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: at the conference in itself. And I don't know if
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: that has anything to do with the conference. I doubt
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: it as the industry at whole. Once again, in that level.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: With that, we want to go back to talk about
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: something that we had a conversation with Bridget on with
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: how so many of the AI users currently being men
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: and why this is both an argument for and against
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: women to use AI. So we've talked about the fact
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: that many people have used this as a tactic for women,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: whether it's saying y'all need to catch up. If you're
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: not using AI, you're going to be left behind. But
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: at the same time, women who do use AI are
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: being called lazy as where men are being innovative if
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: they use AI. So there's like trap of both these things,
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: but also women understand using AI could be a trap
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: because AI is not infallible. Women are a little more
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: hesitant and like, I don't trust this system as they should.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Let's just be real honest because also AI has not
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: been kind because they do have biases because they're trained
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: on biases.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Which is typically against women, right?
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: With all that, the idea that women are going to
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: be left behind because women are not using AI, even though, again,
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: there is an equal number of those who either oppose
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: it or at least are weary of it. So according
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: to that GDC article they write, at least this year's
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: survey showed that over half, 52% of game industry professionals
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: think generative AI is having a negative impact on the
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: game industry. up from 30% the year before and 18%
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: the year prior. Workers in visual and technical arts, 64%,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: game design and narrative, 63%, and game programming, 59%, hold
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: the most unfavorable views. We also saw a great deal
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: of opposition among those in quality assurance and community support,
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: but those sample sizes were relatively small. So at least
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: half of them were like, uh-huh.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Maybe AI is not the way to go. We don't
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: trust it.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: And that number is increasing for a reason, I think,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: even though, again, women are being told that they're being
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: left behind if they don't use it.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Kind of odd.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: According to the CEO of Women in Games 2026, they
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: wrote a manifesto who seems to be saying AI is
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: not going anywhere, so.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Let's fix AI.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Instead of saying we should be weary of AI. So
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: there's just kind of like this understanding from her saying, okay, y'all,
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: we need to figure out this narrative. Since we can't
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: leave AI behind, we need to have more women at
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: the table, which is not wrong, which we've been saying
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: from jump. If you go back to us talking about
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: AI with our interview, Katrina, how many years ago, several
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: years ago, when AI was really coming into play, public
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: viewing and people are debating what was happening. We talked
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: about that, about how are women, how are women being
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: placed in these conversations? Are they a part of these conversations?
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: And we've said that, that this might be a thing
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: that we need to talk about. And she is seemingly
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: saying the same thing. So this is from gamedeveloper.com, who
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: is kind of taking a criticism.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Towards her viewpoint. They wrote this. Dr.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Marie Claire Osserman, CEO of nonprofit organization Women in Games,
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: says that, quote, ethical A.I. should augment human creativity. So
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: she's calling for, again, an action to rebalance gender representation
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: in the gaming industry. And with that, how and why
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: they need to empower women in the gaming industry again.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: So she's talking about how we do we do this.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: And one of her key points was allow for women
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: to be at the conversation in developing A.I., She's not wrong.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Obviously, we've talked about this.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: If we're going to talk about growth, if we're talking
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: about something that could be a good use, you have
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: to have people who should be a part of the table,
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: especially when they represent half of the population, right? So again,
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: from that same article they write, one of the reasons
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: she argues that, quote, AI virtual art worlds and the
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: metaverse will define tomorrow. And as such, women's must help
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: shape that future, not simply play within it. When asked
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: about the vision behind this point, as well as what
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: role will women play in influencing and reshaping it, Eisenman
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: said that her vision is one where these technologies are
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: built to reflect the full diversity of the people who
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: use them. So her response was, that simply cannot happen
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: if women are absent from the rooms where creative, technical,
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: and ethical decisions are made. She continued in an email response.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Women must be involved not only as participants or consumers,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: but as designers, engineers, artists, leaders, and decision makers, So again,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: these are not wrong. I think this is that bigger
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: conversation of what are we looking at? What are we seeing?
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: How do we navigate both? Just because someone may be
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: opposed to AI in general and think that the whole
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: solution is to take AI out of it doesn't necessarily
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: mean they don't also need to be safeguarded by having
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: women at the table. So it's an interesting conversation to
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: see with Women in Games because Women in Games is
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: a big, big nonprofit that has done a lot and
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: bringing women into the forefront in conversation in gaming industry.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: So there's so much to be said in that. Once again,
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: it comes down to this level, like there's not enough research.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: There's not enough conversation about what is happening. We're not
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: seeing or not given numbers about how AI has affected
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: the jobs of people in the gaming industry. Again, one
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: in four have been laid off in the last couple
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: of years. That's a huge number. We've seen tech have
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: a giant amount of layoffs in that in general. Some
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: of it has been due to AI. Some of it
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: has been just done out of corporate greed. Some of
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: it has been done out of mistakes and they had
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: to rehire people. That's been the funnest ones to see.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: I've been looking to see about people reacting to her comments.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: So obviously game developer, they weren't necessarily completely wrong. ragging
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: on her necessarily, but they definitely were like, eh, you
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: sure you want to say it this way? Trying to
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: get her to defend her point instead of understanding where
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: she was coming from. We talked about this with Bridget
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: with content creators trying to be like, oh, y'all need
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: to come on board. You better do these things or
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: you're going to be left behind. But also trying to
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: sell shit in order to, they're being bought out by
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: sponsored AI companies, by AI companies that are sponsoring them.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: And so their take was really.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Tainted, I think is the best way to put it.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, they weren't completely wrong. But
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: it's not so much necessarily that women need to do
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: more or use more AI, but women need to be
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: included more in the creation of these companies and the
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: navigation of these companies and also how they're being coded
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: or how they're being trained.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Which we know they're being trained. Maybe even buy some
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: of our stuff.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Against our will.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Not with our permission, dot, dot, dot. We don't give permission.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Say that on. Yeah.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: If that works at all, we don't give permission.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: But back to, I was looking to see if there
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: was any reactions to her comments.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: I knew that would be backlash. We knew there'd be backlash.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: And I mean, even I have a lot of critiques
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: in my own hearing of this are like, Oh, I
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: think both of these things need to be redressed. Like,
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: How is AI being used? We should talk about, should
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: we be standing up to AI being used, taking jobs
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: from people? Also, yes, it should have women included in
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: these conversations because at least maybe there's... going to be
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: some rhetoric of like, hey, we should slow this. Hey,
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: we know this is not an all like be all
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: end all thing. We need more people. But the Reddit,
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: I was reading through some of the Reddit comments because
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: that's what popped up. Because again, there's not a lot
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: of information happening. And the comments have nothing to do
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: with AI any. So one woman came specifically on here
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: asking about this article. And she was like, what are
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: y'all's thoughts? Have you seen layoffs? Has AI affected you
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: in the gaming industry? People have kind of like come
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: back and forth and talk a little bit. And this
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: is one comment who deleted his post. obviously, he says,
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: why doesn't she get a group of women together and
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: make a fucking video game? A video game that targets
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: a female audience. The video game equivalent of the Twilight
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: series or the movie Barbie or Sex and the City.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Someone responded, creating requires talent and skill.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Co-opting the work of others requires far less talent.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: As in, like, you know. Women can't create. Women can't create.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: They won't do that because they have no interest in
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: making video games and nor is their intentions to make
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: video games. Their purpose is to ruin entertainment media, in
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: this case, that appeals to straight men and to upset
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: and make men miserable.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: That's interesting. By going along with AI, wanting guardrails but
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: being like, you know. Yes, yes.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: Wanting guardrails to, this is the response. And I was like, well,
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: this is why we can't have any good conversation. This is,
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: just kidding, that was very, but like, this is kind
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: of the problem in when women come back with, we
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: have to do this because we need a safety rail.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: We need something to make sure that women's voices are
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: heard and we know that AI is not right now
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: safe for women and it continues to not be safe.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Because it will be hard-coded, she is correct. What we are.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: Seeing is something being like, this is going to be
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: the future now. And people are using it so factually
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: that this is the information they're going to continue to get.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: But this is the response. Instead of giving good critique
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: in the conversations, they'll be like, oh, no, we're fearful
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: that AI will take jobs. They are giving misinformation. Instead,
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: they're like, no, women want to ruin everything. This is
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: why they use AI. And I'm like, this is that
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: point that we were coming back to with Bridget, is
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: that if women do use AI, that's what's being said.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Yep. And I was like, how.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: Great of a point is this? You've proven the point
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: that we've been saying.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: You illustrated it.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Perfectly.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I do want to say, I feel like there's
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: an interesting, I don't know if divides the right word,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: but AI has just gone, it's skyrocketed, right? That I
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: often say I've never knowingly used AI, but I know
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I've used AI. And I'm not going to deny that.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: The game I mentioned earlier, Alien Isolation. The alien is
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: so scary because it's AI and it learns what you
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: do when you're scared. And a lot of games have
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: that with it. the non-playable characters, the NPCs, where they're
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: run by AI. And maybe I'm wrong. People can yell
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: at me, but I feel like there's a difference between
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: that and something that is the creative aspect of it,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: as opposed to you're using AI to run these characters
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: in the game. So it's not like games haven't been
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: using AI before this. They have. uh, I don't, I'm
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: not well versed in what the conversation is now other
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: than the layoffs. And there was a big strike with
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: the voice actors about AI. Uh, I think it was
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: right after, uh, the like writers union and actors, the
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: SAG strike happened. There was a video game, like voice
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: actors strike that happened. Um, Because I can see that, unfortunately,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: I can see companies easily replacing voice actors with AI. Right.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think this happened a few times.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: There is a conversation within the gaming world, and this
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: is kind of outside of also including, obviously, but talking
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: about they need more unions.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: In the gaming industry.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Again, it was an interesting conversation. There's so many things
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: and I hear what the CEO is saying for sure
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: because it's happening. It's happening to the point that our
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: government is putting things into law to protect.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: The billionaires and the creators.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: And is the worst case scenario being that we need
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: to have women at the table in hopes that at
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: least they can shape.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Some of the darkness.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Oh Lord. I know I took it down a dark road.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Y'all I did.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: Um, kind of in this conversation, but I think this
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: is something we have to pay attention to in every aspect.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: When we talk about intersectional stuff, when we talk about
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: the looks of it, and of course this doesn't include
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: what it looks like for women of color.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: There's no information on that much either.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: I will say when I told you about the, uh, uh, GDC, uh, event,
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: the conference, that when I was like, it was mainly
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: white men that was taking, cis men that was taking
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: the thing, I did notice that there was no indigenous
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: people at all being included and then very minor amount
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: of like any type of women of color.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: So interesting.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, yeah. But it is wonderful that to see people
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: who are able to marginalized people who are able to
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: get their games out there. And usually, I mean, we're
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  Speaker 1: better for it. They're so creative. And usually they're beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: clearly got a lot of thoughts and effort and work
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and you know we love good game recommendations, even
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  Speaker 3: though there's still several that we have to follow up on.
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  Speaker 2: But if you have more, let us know.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, please let us know. Thank you to all who
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  Speaker 1: as always, to our super producer, Rima, and our executive producer, Maya.
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