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What Should I Buy? - Class of ’99! · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  Our panel of break fix Petrolhead are back for another rousing.
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  What should I buy?
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  Debate using unique shopping criteria.
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  They're challenged to find our first time collector, the best vehicle
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  that will make their friends go.
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  Where do you get that?
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  Or what the hell is wrong with you at the next cars and coffee?
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  Awesome and awkward all at the same time.
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  That's how I like to describe the nineties.
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  Time when bands like Nirvana, sublime and Green Day were all we would talk about.
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  And the cars we salivated over had exotic names like Supra RX seven and GTR.
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  That's right Brad.
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  And tonight our special guest is fellow car enthusiast Mark Shank, who has called
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  upon our panel of esteemed Petrolhead.
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  To answer the question we love to ask, what should I buy?
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  And in this case, nineties cars.
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  So we wanna welcome Mark to the show and our panel of GTMs
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  that'll be here with us tonight.
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  So welcome Mark.
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  Hey, thank you.
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  Thanks for having me on.
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  I'm excited to talk about this.
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  I've been thinking about this project for a while, uh, where I kind of go
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  with my next car, and I think I have landed in the nineties, so I've been
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  trying to figure out what I wanna do before we dive down this rabbit hole.
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  Mark, why don't you tell us a little about your car history?
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  What's your driving today?
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  Mm, car history.
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  So, uh, I, I kind of, I've kind of been all over the place.
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  First kind of fast car that I had was a 94 Z 28 Camaro.
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  It was unfortunately an automatic that was what I could afford at the time.
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  The transmission went out on it and was able to put a shift kit in it, which was
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  a lot of fun 'cause it would kind of break transmission mounts on an annual basis.
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  It shifted so hard, you could definitely break it loose between gears.
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  Had a 98 eclipse, GST, which I absolutely loved.
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  2000 6, 3 50 z 2006.
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  E 46 M three.
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  With the, with the manual, let's see, uh, had 1985 Porsche nine 11
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  Carrera that I picked up in 2009.
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  That I used as a daily, uh, in Southern California.
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  So I grew up in Frederick, myself as well.
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  Lived in San Diego for about six years.
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  It was such an awesome place for air cooled nine elevens.
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  I mean, the, you, there were so many great shops that could work on them.
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  There were so, like, I had this thing that was out in the desert, its whole life.
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  Didn't have a square centimeter, rust and anywhere.
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  I love that car.
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  Was in mint condition.
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  Spent a ton of money on it.
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  Kids came, had to get rid of it.
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  So I got a a, a brand new.
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  I ordered.
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  Did the track day pickup for, uh, uh, what is it, F 85, A 2015 M
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  three, which was the four door.
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  'cause now I had a kid in a car seat, but I did get the manual in it.
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  I, I do think everybody should own a four door manual car.
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  It's a rear wheel drive.
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  It's a lot of fun.
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  And then I, I turned that in.
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  I got a 20 16 9 11 car.
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  I guess that was a 9 9 1 0.1.
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  And I have a BM BMW X five V eight for family hauler.
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  The, not the M version.
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  And my, my fun car is behind me.
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  9 9 1 0.2. GT three with a six speed manual.
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  Uh, you thought this was a, an image background behind me?
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  It's not.
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  It's my actual car.
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  Um.
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  Which I'm, I'm sitting here looking at like having anxiety over how close
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  that is to the, the garage door from this angle, I, I, I kind of was like
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  a two car person rotating cars around.
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  I do think I've married that thing behind me.
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  I just love it to death.
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  So I think I'm, I'm, I'm with that one for a while, but I can, I can get a lift
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  and, uh, I'll just put something, um, underneath it or above it or something.
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  So in addition to that, you've actually done some ter cross and track days with,
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  uh, PCA and some other groups, right?
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  So you're not just a collector or a connoisseur.
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  You've been on track as well.
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  A little bit.
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  I, I do not want, do not want to over represent my track experience at all.
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  I've done a couple BMW uh, driving school events with the, with the, the
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  M three side, you know, some autocross.
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  But, uh, I, I want to do more of the Porsche Club.
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  I actually have a neighbor out here as pretty active in it as well.
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  I want to do more in that space.
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  For me, it's, it's been a time thing.
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  My job is tough and you've got little kids, so I'm hoping, you know, a little
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  older, a little more independent and, you know, they can run around on a
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  Saturday without harassing me all day.
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  Um, but yeah, you know, I, I, I would absolutely love to get to a
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  track a few times a year now, and then hopefully when I'm a little
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  older, do that more frequently.
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  Since we've got a little bit of background into your car history, and
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  I, I know, and I know in talking with you, you have a, you have a very good
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  knowledge of cars and whatnot and we kind of had a precursor conversation
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  to this about cars in the nineties.
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  And so, you know, as we get into our basically main event here, our,
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  what should I buy panel, you know, a bunch of us have come prepared with
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  some options for you about going about and buying a nineties car.
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  What we're really interested in is getting your shopping criteria, you know, what
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  you're looking for, price range, some things you're not interested in, some
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  things you may be interested, et cetera.
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  So why don't you lay that out for the panel so we can better
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  focus on some of our suggestions.
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  Awesome.
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  I think the panel will be fun because I love a lot of things and
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  you know, I'm, I'm really kind of open, so a couple things, right?
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  I'm, I'm kind of OCD, so I want something that I can get in really
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  that I doesn't have to get it in really good condition, but I have to be able
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  to get it to really good condition.
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  Right?
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  And so sometimes, you know, that can be harder with some of the older ones.
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  I wanna have a very nice car and I'm, I'm fine with paying the money
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  to get it there, but, but I like, you know, just clean and tight.
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  No rattles, no no excuses.
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  Really good shape.
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  The, there are so many kind of different.
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  Aspects of nineties car culture.
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  You know, I, I loved all of it.
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  I love the Japanese unobtainium that you played on a PlayStation one, right.
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  So I'm born in 81, so I'm in high school and graduated in 99.
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  So, you know, kind of grew up through that.
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  But I also grew up my entire life going to car shows, which
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  was mostly American muscle.
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  You know, I've, I've always thought about kind of different
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  things that might be fun there.
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  So I've really enjoyed, you know, the Japanese sports car
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  aside, the American muscle.
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  I want something also that I can get.
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  Pretty fast, right?
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  I mean, not, not not fast in a, in a zero to 60 time or fast in a, like a
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  particular lap time, but I want something that can feel fast, overpower, its
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  traction for most of its gears, and that you can be a general hooligan in.
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  So we were like having that debate.
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  Like to me that kind of crosses out like a Ferrari 3 55, although those
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  things are probably, I'm not sure they're worth the price at this point.
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  Super unreliable too, but hey, whatever.
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  Yeah, yeah, those generation V eights.
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  I think one of the thing I, I did enjoy about it that I should
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  mention, like the idea of kind of customization and modification, right?
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  So I'm not in this to get something, leave it bone stock and hopefully sell
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  it, you know, for some money later.
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  I don't care if I'm devaluing it, I'm doing this for me.
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  I'm not doing it as an investment or something, something stupid like that.
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  So I, I do, you know, as you know this, this is a little bit of the
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  12-year-old kid who had the nine 30 with the whale tail on the wall,
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  and, and that's why I didn't get the touring package on my GT three.
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  And I don't give a shit if the touring package was the cool thing to do.
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  Exactly.
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  It didn't have a giant, it didn't have a giant SPO on the back and
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  my nine 30 poster did, uh, yeah, I mean, it's a little juvenile.
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  I don't care.
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  I'm doing it for fun.
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  I think that modification and customization part of it
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  is definitely part of that.
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  Call Karcher that I, that I really enjoyed.
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  And I think you said something just to, you know, kind of round out this thought
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  before we turn it over to the panel to start throwing up their suggestion.
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  I think one thing that was really almost prophetic in a way was when you and I were
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  talking and you said, you know, looking back now on a car from the nineties is
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  the same as when I was a kid, looking back at some of those cars from the fifties
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  and sixties, it's the same time gap.
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  It's that same generational gap, and then it makes you feel super
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  old when you realize that a nineties car is 30 years old at this point.
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  Right.
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  So, pretty crazy.
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  It it is.
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  You're, you're absolutely right.
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  So, you know, growing up, and I'm looking at American muscle in the
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  late eighties and early nineties, that's how old these cars are now.
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  Right.
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  And I'm going through with my dad and he's telling me about, you know, my dad owned
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  a ton of muscle cars, uh, back in the day.
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  He, I grew up with him.
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  Quarter mile bikes were like his gr our garage.
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  We never had any cars in our two car garage.
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  It was full of motorcycles.
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  And so, you know, there was a lot of motorcycles, but he
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  loved cars, you know, was always talking about the American muscle.
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  And so yeah, that, that epiphany, I, it was literally just
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  kind of dawned on me one day.
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  I'm like, wait a minute.
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  I am the same distance from those cars.
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  Now it's a tribute to the quality of the cars that they're not all
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  completely rotisserie restored like they were back then.
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  Right.
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  They had to be because they'd fallen apart twice over by
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  the time you got 'em to 1990.
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  But, but at the same time, people are just starting to think
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  about, how do I restore this car?
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  You're finding them still unrestored.
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  I don't wanna get into this 10 years later and the market is kind of already defined,
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  and I wanna get in front of it and be able to do something before the market tells
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  you what to do and, and people, yeah.
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  You know, start kind of figuring it out.
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  Let's shock the panel a little bit because you just slightly went there,
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  but then didn't say what your budget was.
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  Oh.
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  And so from a price range, I think all in.
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  With like getting the car and, and you know, I'm not, I'm not
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  gonna do much work myself, right?
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  So I'm paying somebody to do work on it.
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  I, yeah.
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  So all in, uh, call it a hundred grand.
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  Alright guys, this, this is, this is the mission now, all right?
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  Car from the nineties, fully restored.
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  It's gotta be ahoo, hooligan car, a hundred grand or less.
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  How about we go to Mike?
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  Well, so you mentioned having owned a, uh, a Z 28.
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  I love Mustangs, by the way.
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  I, I love Mustangs.
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  But the Camaro had so much more power in that generation.
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  I think you'd have to be a little silly to pick the, the five liter
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  stock if you're looking for that more muscle car look, I would actually
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  pitch the, the Camaro's cousin.
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  Oh, specifically the WS six.
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  Yes.
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  WS six.
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  Yep.
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  I was always infatuated with those cars when they came out.
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  They were, I mean, a friend of mine had a 92 Camaro, but it was only
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  the, the Rs, but the Firebird WS six with that big, uh, evil Ram air hood.
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  Yeah.
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  And the commercials they had were from Polar.
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  The evil commercial was awesome.
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  And then they had, when it first came out, they had Chris Tucker driving
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  one and one of his buddy cop movies.
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  Like, you haven't seen Chris Tucker in a movie in 25 years, but the last one you
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  saw, man, he's driving a WS six around.
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  So I had the opportunity to drive a stock one, and I got to drive
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  Mike Snyder's, SCCA pro solo car.
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  And Brad remembers that, TransAm.
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  And I tell you what, when you mod a WS six and you really straighten out
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  that suspension and get it dialed in, that car is a handful, but
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  it's also a hell of a lot of fun.
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  So mad props to Mike on that suggestion.
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  I actually hadn't even thought about the WS six.
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  Yeah, the second he brought up Camaro.
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  I'm like, Ooh.
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  You know, it just, it struck a memory of that car.
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  And plus, since the WS six went with the LS motor, you have
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  the whole LS aftermarket to go.
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  Oh, absolutely.
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  Absolutely.
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  Big, big turbos.
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  Big turbos.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, mine, mine was an LT one.
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  It was prior to that, but yeah, towards the end they dropped the LS in it.
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  So is, is the GOAT an option as well, or is that, no, the goat's later.
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  Right, so that's a two thousands car, so that won't work.
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  2003, two.
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  Well, hang on, hang on.
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  Okay, so this is a good point.
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  This is a good point.
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  You know, I guess this is up to me.
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  I think some of the best cars from the nineties were made in the early naughties.
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  Right.
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  They had matured it.
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  They figured it out.
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  Like the NSX you want is one of those last couple years.
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  Yeah, that's true.
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  I'll give you that.
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  Yes.
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  It's like the best car from the nineties, but yeah, sure
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  it's from 2002, but whatever.
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  I don't care.
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  I'm not picky.
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  Right.
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  You're E 39 M fives.
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  There's a lot of really great, I think if you look at its contemporaries
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  at the time, in the early two thousands, they're like, ew.
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  You know, like, okay, it's still solid rear axle still doing this.
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  It's still doing that.
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  You know, Mustang had that brief flirtation with independent rear
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  suspension in the cobras, but when you compare it to the nineties cars that
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  it was the mature version of I agree.
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  I agree with, I totally accept, I will totally accept early
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  naughties cars, but it has to be representative of the nineties.
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  It can't be like a. Like a 9, 9 6 turbo or something, which is like, cool, but
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  that's definitely not a nineties car.
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  Yeah, I gotcha.
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  I gotcha.
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  So Mountain man, Dan, since we're talking GM Mountain man, Dan I, I'm
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  on board with Mike's suggestion of the WS six and for that particular
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  one with the Ramir was 98 to oh two.
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  So those were the years that they made that particular version of the WS six.
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  And I'm all on board with that suggestion, Mike.
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  Huge kudos for that.
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  But a question I had for the budget.
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  Is that number you threw out the initial purchase?
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  Or does that include modified?
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  No, I want that to be, I want that to be all in.
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  Right.
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  So it kind of excludes something like an R 34 because it's not gonna work.
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  Right.
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  But you could do an R 32 and restore it and build it up, and
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  you could do a really great, super powerful car for that kind of money.
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  If that's what, if that's what you wanted to do.
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  I, I don't mean to make anyone go discuss.
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  I will not do an Impala ss I'll tell you that.
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  I can't do it.
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  I can't do it.
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  I can can, but this is the wagon.
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  This is the wagon.
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  What about the Callaway?
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  It's the wagon.
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  So you don't want, you don't wanna drive an upside down
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  bathtub, is what you're saying.
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  Dax, Dax Shepherd has one of these prob. The, the, the problem was that, I think
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  the problem is, is that the SS was really cool for grown ass adults in the nineties.
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  I wasn't a grown ass adult.
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  So I'm thinking of something that I thought of as cool in my more informative
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  years of which absolutely the WS six.
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  Well, if we're, if we're still talking GM then, you know, we, we were actually
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  debating this internally and it was like C four Corvette or C five Corvette.
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  I'm like, well, the C four Corvette, the only one in the nineties is any
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  good as a ZR one, and it's still a C four Corvette at that point.
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  So what about the C five Vet Z six as an example?
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  Z six didn't come out until 2001.
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  I mean, I could, if he's talking about his nineties cars Yeah, yeah.
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  Early two thousands.
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  So the, I, so I wonder if the C five is maybe the inverse of my prior rule.
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  So my prior rule being like, you could take a mature car that, you know,
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  stretched into the naughties, but if you had, I think of the C five as a Naughty's
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  car that came out a couple early.
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  Right.
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  And so, you know, not as much, do you have enough chest hair to drive a Corvette?
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  Yes.
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  I'm, I am I, and New Balance, I. If I didn't shave, I would have hair
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  from like here down to my ankles.
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  So it's totally fine.
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  Um, the, um, the, my, so I will say it 'cause as, since we're on
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  American cars, I have two problems, which I'm gonna have to figure out
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  how to get over if I'm gonna do it.
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  One is a solid axle and two are the interiors suck.
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  And like particularly, you know, like a, a C four, even a C five Corvette.
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  Like, I look at the inside of them and I want to throw up.
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  And the funny thing is, is like I, you know, I'm not, I don't mean to
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  be German bias, I love American cars, but like, you can look at an 85.
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  3 25 BMW, and it's a nice, clean, minimalist interior that is
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  totally damn reasonable today.
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  Like you can look at it 40 years later, it's totally fine.
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  And you look at like a, what Americans are doing in the eighties, and they
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  have these crazy LCDs, like it all looks like night rider animations and giant
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  blo buttons and like some kinda weird sci-fi fighter cockpit interpretation.
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  I struggle with it a bit.
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  I I'm gonna be totally honest.
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  I, I really, and the worst, worst stepdad had a c4 and yeah, that giant
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  green bar that went up and across the dashboard, they were cheap plastic.
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  The thin, thin little crowd, cheap plastic, the buttons, uh,
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  that's, well, even the C five, you think you're in a trailblazer.
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  You're like, what the hell is this?
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  No offense to the Corvette owners, I'm just saying it's not the best
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  until the c sixes and sevens, when they got their act together.
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  I mean, it was not the best of interiors, but Mount Mandan, you had a comment.
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  Chimed in saying that basically they were made with such cheap plastic that
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  if you find something where something inside's not broken, that's a diamond
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  in the rough 'cause, whether it be the mounting spot for the switches
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  or something, they always broke.
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  But one thing I was gonna ask is if we're going pour sports stuff and something that
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  was quick, I'm gonna throw this out there.
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  It's not a car.
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  I knew it.
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  I knew it.
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  I knew it.
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  What about like the typhoon or the cyclone?
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  The typhoon.
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  You could still throw the rack.
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  Ooh, ooh.
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  I love those ideas.
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  I love those ideas.
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  So they were fastest, could be up until recently for trucks from the factory.
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  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I mean they, they did a four and a half seconds, zero to 60 on the GMC cyclone
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  and that thing, that record lasted until like, like the last Raptor or something.
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  I mean, it was crazy.
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  So, yeah, I, I love the cyclone idea.
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  I think that's a ton of fun.
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  I believe that had the Grand National motor in it.
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  3.8 Turbo.
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  Yeah, the 3.8 Turbo, the intercooler.
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  So I, I love, I love the grand, I love the Grand National.
• 16:26
  Uh, I love that motor.
• 16:27
  I realizing the Grand National is a little eighties, but that's a great way to
• 16:31
  bring that power plant into the nineties.
• 16:33
  So, yeah, no, I love the Grand National was a 3.8 and the cyclone,
• 16:37
  uh, and the typhoon wore 4.3.
• 16:39
  I thought they were three eights.
• 16:41
  They were the same motor.
• 16:42
  Did they just, you like bore or stroke the motor?
• 16:44
  Was it a different power plant?
• 16:46
  The 4.3, the easiest way to explaining it is a three 50 missing two cylinders.
• 16:49
  Ah, okay.
• 16:51
  And everything is just six instead of eight cylinders.
• 16:53
  And even like front components and everything bolt up the same.
• 16:55
  One of the four, three off of the three 50 I I see Mike is fact checking.
• 16:59
  Oh, we're Googling Mike's always fact checking this right now.
• 17:02
  We're Googling.
• 17:02
  It's the four three.
• 17:03
  He is right.
• 17:04
  Oh wow.
• 17:05
  Okay.
• 17:05
  Because Dan, of course, he's right.
• 17:07
  What about a GM can't, you can't argue with a mountain man.
• 17:10
  I gotta finish this Chevy conversation and just get us off
• 17:13
  that train before we go down a road.
• 17:15
  We don't ever, we can't ever get back from, it's true.
• 17:17
  To become a Chevy episode, I'm gonna go with the 3000 gt.
• 17:21
  I like that.
• 17:22
  It's my personal favorite.
• 17:23
  Everybody says the super or the RX seven, which, yes, they're on my list
• 17:27
  as well, but the first time I ever saw a 3000 GT in a parking lot, I was like,
• 17:31
  oh my God, that is a beautiful Ferrari.
• 17:34
  I had no idea.
• 17:34
  I was like 12 years old or whatever.
• 17:36
  I don't fucking know.
• 17:37
  Save yourself some money, get a stealth.
• 17:39
  It was, I was thinking the same thing.
• 17:40
  It was just beautiful.
• 17:41
  It's just a good looking car.
• 17:43
  All wheel drive.
• 17:44
  You can get the VR four, you can turbo the hell out of em.
• 17:47
  I love this idea as a kid, you read the car magazines, which I read religiously.
• 17:52
  My parents couldn't get me to read a religious text, but I would read Car
• 17:55
  and Driver and MotorTrend every month that it came to my house and they would
• 17:59
  always do the big three comparison, right?
• 18:01
  The 300 zx, which is another car that was a nineties car but came
• 18:04
  out in 89 or whatever, right?
• 18:06
  A little before its time.
• 18:07
  It's huge.
• 18:08
  Right?
• 18:08
  But they'd like a 300 Z zx, A mark four, 3000 GTVR four twin, you know,
• 18:13
  turbos and everything, and RX seven.
• 18:15
  And they do the comparison.
• 18:16
  And I always wanted the VR four to win.
• 18:19
  'cause I thought it was the coolest looking car of the group by a mile.
• 18:22
  And it always got its ass kicked.
• 18:23
  It was always the fastest in grand charisma though, the GTO
• 18:29
  and oh my.
• 18:30
  But it, it will like always lose 'cause it was so fat.
• 18:34
  The car weighed like 800 pounds more than all of its competitors.
• 18:37
  But it's supposed to be a great GT car is supposed to drive really well.
• 18:40
  It's supposed to be a great driver's car.
• 18:42
  I, I definitely like that idea.
• 18:44
  I wonder if the Dodge stealth is a little bit of a, uh, of a sleeper choice
• 18:48
  from our perspective of, you know, kind of not what people are expecting.
• 18:52
  I don't think it's as pretty particularly the late model VR fours.
• 18:55
  Right.
• 18:55
  So that's a late one you show.
• 18:57
  Yeah, and you know, 'cause they went away from the popup headlights
• 18:59
  I think in 98, if I remember.
• 19:01
  Obviously not.
• 19:02
  Yeah.
• 19:02
  This is in 98.
• 19:03
  Not a stock inter 4 97, not a stock inter cooler on that, but yeah,
• 19:07
  no, I mean, yeah, I love them.
• 19:09
  The only thing that worried me about the VR fours is if you've ever seen
• 19:12
  one under the hood, it's transverse.
• 19:14
  That's the disadvantage I thought it always had against the 300
• 19:17
  ZX or the Supra or whatever.
• 19:19
  Those being a classic, you know, front mount rear drive layout.
• 19:24
  The VR four was just like, ah, okay.
• 19:26
  So, so you wonder if in post life, in, in modification if
• 19:31
  you could help it get past that.
• 19:33
  Like, 'cause you're right, it's a front wheel bias all wheel drive system.
• 19:36
  Because of that, it's also got a lot of weight up front.
• 19:38
  So the weight distribution isn't great, isn't it?
• 19:40
  Like if you change the, the gear ratio a little bit between the front
• 19:43
  and the back, like that's what they did with like, the focus rs where
• 19:46
  it was just like, like a, you know, a few percent faster in the back.
• 19:50
  It puts a lot of pressure on the clutch in the middle, but it
• 19:52
  causes the power to go to the rear.
• 19:55
  Right?
• 19:55
  Uh, and, and, and you can kind of fix that bias in the, in the
• 19:59
  all wheel drive system that way.
• 20:00
  But like, again.
• 20:02
  Because nobody's really gotten into these cars yet.
• 20:04
  We're just starting to get into this trend of 40 year olds having money and deciding
• 20:08
  they're gonna dump it into this pit of car modification and whatever, restoration.
• 20:14
  I don't think people have really figured that out yet.
• 20:16
  Like you don't see any great, well-documented path.
• 20:18
  Uh, the only problem I have with the Japanese cars in this era
• 20:22
  is that we've already listed 80% of the good ones, right?
• 20:25
  Because if you, if you look, I mean, outside of the RX seven and all the ones
• 20:29
  that we've already mentioned, there's a couple Sylvia's, there's some other
• 20:32
  cars that we didn't get and things like that, that were Japanese only, but there
• 20:35
  wasn't a whole lot of JDM offerings in the US that were really that awesome.
• 20:40
  Oh God.
• 20:40
  Brad just put one up the prelude.
• 20:43
  Oh, just for Brian?
• 20:44
  Just for Brian Sha who's listening.
• 20:47
  Yeah.
• 20:47
  Because he's listening to, he's listening to this screaming, what about the prelude?
• 20:50
  And I'm like, there you go.
• 20:53
  But I don't know how how much prelude, I don't know how much
• 20:55
  hoon you can do with that.
• 20:56
  Of less, you can't Front wheel drive, you got, it's like 170 horsepower or
• 21:00
  200 in the sh Yeah, the sh I remember at the time that they made such
• 21:05
  a deal like that has a laser that measures the suspension and adjusts.
• 21:09
  Ridiculous.
• 21:09
  Was that the one with the four wheel steering or was it
• 21:11
  the Mitsubishi that had that?
• 21:12
  Yep.
• 21:12
  Four wheel steering.
• 21:13
  Four wheel passive steering was, did they have the four wheel
• 21:15
  steering in that generation?
• 21:16
  I know they did in the, in the generation prior.
• 21:19
  I can't, yeah.
• 21:19
  I believe it was in this generation as well.
• 21:21
  Type R Integra, like if you're throwing this up there.
• 21:24
  Yeah.
• 21:24
  Like that's, that's a 2000, 2001 car, but that's like the pinnacle of nineties.
• 21:29
  You can't get too much power out of those though.
• 21:32
  Or the civics, the civic type bars from that time.
• 21:34
  That's just the money problem.
• 21:36
  Yeah.
• 21:36
  Too much power.
• 21:37
  You just gotta build the shit out of the motor.
• 21:39
  Well, and this all the skylines, right?
• 21:40
  And the R 30 twos and 30 threes.
• 21:43
  I've been talking to some people, the 30 threes are becoming really popular
• 21:45
  because they were unwanted to begin with.
• 21:48
  The joke I heard was the R 32 skyline is the one you took to the track.
• 21:53
  The R 34 is the one you took to the shows and the drag races and the R
• 21:57
  33 was the one you bought your wife.
• 21:58
  But when I look at the R 33, it's kind of indicative of the
• 22:02
  nineties design in general.
• 22:03
  Just kind of this Mobius marshmallow on wheels, like they're all kind
• 22:06
  of look the same after a while.
• 22:08
  But the one car it brings to my attention and I thought of, and it's
• 22:11
  on my list and it's kind of the same car, but in, in two different trims.
• 22:15
  The Toyota Soer, which is also the Lexus SC 400.
• 22:20
  All right.
• 22:20
  Right.
• 22:21
  So you can hone the hell out of that thing because it's basically a
• 22:24
  two JayZ, just like a Supra, right?
• 22:26
  So you go nuts.
• 22:26
  What?
• 22:27
  Well, the s SC 300 is, and then you do a two JayZ swap.
• 22:29
  The SC 400 was the V eight.
• 22:30
  It's V eight.
• 22:31
  Yeah, that's right.
• 22:32
  Yeah.
• 22:32
  But you get so, so yeah, I think, I think the Lexus SC is a
• 22:35
  great option to to think about.
• 22:37
  Right?
• 22:37
  That could be a lot of fun.
• 22:38
  And they had a manual that you could get with them.
• 22:40
  That would absolutely be really interesting.
• 22:42
  I think.
• 22:43
  And you're not paying the super tax either, right?
• 22:45
  You can have the same car, slightly larger, put your kids in it.
• 22:49
  It's a bit of a sleeper if you think about it in comparison.
• 22:51
  You can make 900 horsepower outta that two JayZ pretty easily.
• 22:55
  There's a flip side to the Supertax though, which is like the supertax is
• 22:58
  the, the super is is really the only one that is like really, I think.
• 23:02
  Really completely mature in regards to like, they've absolutely figured out
• 23:06
  every corner of that car, you can get reliably a ton of horsepower out of it.
• 23:11
  You know, it's gonna fail when you know how to make it work.
• 23:14
  There are no rabbit holes left or quests to, you know, don Kioti
• 23:18
  type things to try and figure out.
• 23:20
  I mean, don't get me wrong, like, I've definitely been looking on eBay
• 23:23
  or, or auto trade or whatever, and be like, I could just buy this guy's
• 23:27
  $150,000 car for 80 grand and you know, that would be pretty cool.
• 23:32
  And, and, but then that's somebody else's build.
• 23:34
  I mean, exactly right.
• 23:36
  But like, you know, you're, you're getting it for 50 cents on the dollar
• 23:39
  and yeah, you go in and you fix whatever you gotta fix to get it sorted out.
• 23:42
  It's not gonna be perfect when you get it by any means.
• 23:44
  You'll certainly save a lot of money going into it that way.
• 23:47
  Buy somebody else's money pit and then get it sorted.
• 23:49
  So what is the goal, intent for the vehicle?
• 23:52
  Is it gonna be something you street, something you track?
• 23:54
  Great, great question.
• 23:56
  I don't see it being a racetrack.
• 23:59
  So maybe, maybe quarter mile not to see that I'm like trying to, you know,
• 24:03
  make a nine second car or something.
• 24:06
  But like, I think, I think it might be fun to take out the quarter mile, but yeah,
• 24:10
  no, I mean, mainly street drive around, have fun cars and coffee type deal.
• 24:13
  Take, take, take the kids somewhere, go to cars and coffee, remind them
• 24:17
  what cars used to be like my kids.
• 24:18
  I mean, not cars and coffee.
• 24:20
  They know.
• 24:21
  Um, and, uh, and, and, and have, just have some fun.
• 24:26
  Hooligan is, I believe the word I picked at the beginning.
• 24:29
  That's true.
• 24:29
  I'm gonna throw it out there.
• 24:31
  Unfortunately, it wouldn't be good for carrying the kids around.
• 24:32
  But a two 40 sx, there's a ton you can do with those.
• 24:36
  I loved those and the, and the little infinity variant of that, I forget what
• 24:40
  they called it, a G 20 or something maybe.
• 24:42
  Yeah, that two 40 and the Infinity version absolutely would be a,
• 24:45
  well the problem is for a hundred grand he can buy about 37 of those.
• 24:49
  'cause there ain't worth the damn so, but they're all missing their
• 24:53
  front bumpers 'cause they fell off at the drift circuit a hundred percent.
• 24:56
  Right.
• 24:58
  Those are the ones they slow.
• 24:59
  They put the solid axles in.
• 25:02
  Yeah, exactly.
• 25:03
  And it's a 4, 3 0 2 under the hood, the two 40.
• 25:07
  The problem is they're so expensive 'cause the guys drifting them.
• 25:09
  They've all totaled them and wrecked 'em and destroyed them.
• 25:12
  But if you do wind up with a two 40, I just happened to have a body kit.
• 25:16
  That's fun.
• 25:18
  He said rolling his eyes.
• 25:23
  So going back to a, uh, good old American car that fully fits the criteria.
• 25:28
  It's, it's at least not the, the, the earliest in 95.
• 25:32
  So the 1999 Ford Mustang Cobra, which was the first year of
• 25:36
  the more squared off design.
• 25:38
  So that's a SN 95.
• 25:40
  Right.
• 25:40
  But then there's also, it's an SN 95 with the new body.
• 25:42
  There's also the 93 Cobra SVT, which is the last of the fox body.
• 25:46
  So you kind of have it on both ends of the nineties, right.
• 25:49
  Depending on what you're into.
• 25:50
  But even if you buy a fox body, I think you're in the same camp that, like Bobby
• 25:54
  Parks is in, you throw the 3 0 2 in the trash and you put an LS in it and
• 25:57
  build like a 1200 horsepower monster.
• 26:00
  Well, but at least that one, the, the Cobra specifically
• 26:02
  comes with the independent rear.
• 26:03
  That's true.
• 26:04
  No, you're, you're, you're, you're absolutely right.
• 26:06
  That's a, that is a great car.
• 26:08
  I think it looks really cool.
• 26:10
  I think that's a great option.
• 26:11
  I do like that it has independent rear suspension and, and
• 26:14
  that it's, it's gotten it.
• 26:15
  It's funny how they went away from that later, right?
• 26:18
  In the later, uh, GT five hundreds, they, they put the solid axle back in.
• 26:21
  It's a good move by Ford, in my opinion.
• 26:23
  Racer.
• 26:23
  Ron's on the panel.
• 26:24
  Do we want get some input from him?
• 26:26
  So, um, I think you guys have a lot of really great ideas.
• 26:29
  You're throwing a lot of good stuff out there.
• 26:31
  The situation is balanced between how nice a machine you can get up front.
• 26:36
  It's not low wrecked.
• 26:37
  Like a, a two 40 is gonna be trash period.
• 26:40
  I mean, they just, and a lot of this stuff you get from Japan is trash too, right?
• 26:44
  It just is.
• 26:45
  They're all used up.
• 26:46
  So that's totally outta the picture.
• 26:47
  But think with American iron is not a bad way to go from a lot of perspectives.
• 26:51
  You know, the least of them being, you can usually find
• 26:54
  someone to actually work on it.
• 26:55
  That's without spending a hell of a lot of money because the
• 26:58
  RAs, that's a specialty guy.
• 27:00
  You know, BMW guys are never real cheap, but.
• 27:03
  Doesn't sound like you're really gonna go the BMW direction.
• 27:06
  So I, I would definitely, well underestimate thinking about America.
• 27:08
  I mean, I would definitely be thinking strong about American Iron.
• 27:12
  I like the GT 3000.
• 27:13
  I think it's a good car.
• 27:14
  I think the, the W Series are also good cars.
• 27:17
  They're complicated though, and they're not cheap to work on either.
• 27:20
  Absolutely.
• 27:21
  So, um, yeah, it's a tough call.
• 27:23
  You can do real well for.
• 27:26
  The Cobra.
• 27:26
  I mean, there's no, there's no two ways about it.
• 27:28
  You save yourself some money for another toy, you just buy a couple of them.
• 27:32
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:32
  For sure.
• 27:33
  Yeah.
• 27:33
  The Isuzu V Cross is one that you should totally do negative.
• 27:39
  Oh, wait, no, the the one, the other one I brought up in chat is the Monte
• 27:42
  Carlo SS Tasmanian Devil Edition.
• 27:45
  Oh God.
• 27:46
  Oh God.
• 27:46
  Hey, what the hell They, they made that, is that like the Bugs Bunny
• 27:50
  Venture van thing that they did?
• 27:52
  Yes.
• 27:52
  Oh, it was, why don't you just tell me to get the Dale Earnhardt edition?
• 27:57
  Well, so more of the Dale Earnhardt ones, they had the Intimidator and
• 28:02
  then they had the Dale Junior Edition.
• 28:03
  And then the head, the Tasmanian Devil Edition.
• 28:05
  Okay.
• 28:05
  We've talked about Americans, we talked about Japanese.
• 28:08
  You alluded to some Italians there at the beginning.
• 28:10
  Let's talk about the Italians for a second.
• 28:12
  Fiat,
• 28:15
  yeah.
• 28:15
  The, yeah, for sure.
• 28:17
  A hundred percent.
• 28:17
  That's, that's a winner.
• 28:19
  You know, FF 3 55.
• 28:22
  I mean, as good looking and evolution of the three series as they are, they
• 28:27
  have a horror story, you know, nightmare reputation behind them for reliability.
• 28:31
  But there's a couple other Italians behind that same era that I think are
• 28:36
  better, maybe as a sleeper if you're thinking about going in that direction.
• 28:40
  What about the Maserati 3,200 GT precursor to the coupe?
• 28:44
  Is that the evolution of the buy turbo?
• 28:46
  Was it like the same chassis and setup or negative?
• 28:49
  So it's, it's the swoopy one that kind of looks like an astin or
• 28:52
  a jag, which later become coupe.
• 28:54
  And then like the current body style that it's now, it's like
• 28:57
  the beginning of that lineage.
• 28:59
  So they sold 27 of them in the United States?
• 29:02
  I, I think so, yes.
• 29:02
  Yeah.
• 29:03
  Um, speaking of finding somebody to work on, no.
• 29:07
  I mean, actually I don't know anything about that car.
• 29:09
  It wasn't on my radar, so it sounds really interesting.
• 29:11
  I like the idea of, of learning about that.
• 29:14
  I really don't know much about it, you know, which is, I don't have too many
• 29:17
  gaps, but that's definitely one of them.
• 29:19
  I also don't know any shit about French cars from the nineties either.
• 29:22
  Don't bother.
• 29:23
  It's not worth it.
• 29:25
  I was gonna say, just pack a lot of wine and cheese for when you're broken down on
• 29:27
  the side of the road if you buy French.
• 29:29
  Yes.
• 29:29
  So Brad has a picture of it.
• 29:30
  Wait, he, wait.
• 29:31
  It's that.
• 29:32
  Because they made that car up until like 2008.
• 29:35
  I know.
• 29:35
  'cause I lived in San Diego.
• 29:36
  It got re everyone drove one, it got renamed to the coupe.
• 29:40
  And so originally it was the 3,200 gt.
• 29:43
  Ah.
• 29:43
  And so that's, that's what it's, it's the precursor to those, you know, what we
• 29:46
  know now to be kind of the current, you know, lineage of Maseratis, but there's
• 29:51
  so, so, so that was like the, so that was like the early grand there mode of today.
• 29:54
  Correct.
• 29:55
  Yeah.
• 29:55
  Those things were so popular in San Diego.
• 29:57
  You could pick that car up like four or five years old with
• 30:01
  25,000 miles on it for 20 grand.
• 30:03
  Exactly.
• 30:03
  It's a bargain really.
• 30:05
  I mean, and it's a Ferrari power plant and all the fun
• 30:07
  stuff that goes along with that.
• 30:08
  But it's not a Ferrari.
• 30:09
  Right.
• 30:10
  So.
• 30:10
  Yeah, I don't, yeah, we're gonna put air quotes around it.
• 30:12
  I don't know.
• 30:13
  The one, I don't know.
• 30:14
  I mean, did they make a manual with it?
• 30:16
  Because later they didn't and they only had a single clutch.
• 30:19
  Correct.
• 30:19
  Automated, you know, pseudo manual.
• 30:21
  And that clutch was seven grand to replace and it went out about every 6,000 miles.
• 30:26
  And I know because my boss had one.
• 30:28
  And does that, that fun?
• 30:29
  Does that fun stuff at the Ferrari engine include removing the engine
• 30:33
  from the car every like 5,000 miles to completely rebuild it?
• 30:36
  No, no.
• 30:36
  The fun stuff is open pipes, so you could really hear it sing.
• 30:39
  That's what I was doing.
• 30:40
  Yeah.
• 30:40
  No, I mean, don't me wrong, the sound was great.
• 30:42
  So my boss had had one of those, although it was like a 2008 or
• 30:45
  whatever, but the sound was great.
• 30:47
  The intake noise was a ton of fun.
• 30:48
  Like I, I love, like you could hit the gas and you just hurt.
• 30:51
  It sounded like an angry dragon was sucking in air and it was really cool.
• 30:56
  So the, the engine was great.
• 30:58
  It's fat, it is a, it is a big, it is bigger than it looks.
• 31:01
  Yes.
• 31:02
  Like a lot of cars are the other way around.
• 31:03
  That thing is bigger than it looks and it weighs like 4,200 pounds.
• 31:07
  Speaking of bigger than it looks.
• 31:08
  And also coming from Italy.
• 31:10
  How about the five 50 Martinello?
• 31:12
  You can't get those for a hundred grand anymore.
• 31:14
  I would love to get one and, and, and, and if I was smart, I would instead of buying.
• 31:18
  This would've bought a five 50 Marella for a hundred grand.
• 31:21
  It'd be worth 200 grand a day.
• 31:22
  You cannot find a good five 50 for a hundred grand anymore.
• 31:25
  If we can please point me in the direction.
• 31:27
  Yeah.
• 31:28
  Right.
• 31:28
  But the five fiftys were cool 'cause they were manual only, which I
• 31:31
  actually think is why the, the values have gone out so much as opposed to
• 31:35
  like a 4, 5, 6 or something else.
• 31:36
  3 55 or whatever.
• 31:38
  Yeah.
• 31:38
  The five 50 was only that six B gated and the, the valuations have literally
• 31:43
  doubled in like the last four years.
• 31:44
  It's crazy.
• 31:45
  I seen, what is that, an RSS six A nineties RS six.
• 31:48
  It's a by turbo.
• 31:49
  S four B five.
• 31:49
  S four Oh, okay.
• 31:51
  By Turbo.
• 31:52
  Yeah.
• 31:52
  We didn't get a ton of power out of 'em.
• 31:53
  Not very reliable, but they're fun to look at.
• 31:56
  Audi, Audi was still in the doghouse in the nineties, so it was a huge gap for me.
• 32:01
  I only knew one person who, whose family had an Audi and they, they
• 32:06
  weren't in the car magazines.
• 32:08
  They like, they were just, you know, you'd read about, you'd read about AMGs,
• 32:12
  you'd read about Mcar, but like Audi just didn't exist until the naughties.
• 32:16
  It was like it just disappeared and then came back.
• 32:18
  When I was in high school, I knew one person who had an Audi and his entire
• 32:21
  family had about 50 of them, and he's in that other screen up there.
• 32:26
  That is true.
• 32:27
  We've had way too many, we, we lived through the nineties Audis, man.
• 32:31
  But you know, speaking of, since we're talking about Audis right now, it makes
• 32:35
  sense to bring up the S eight from Ronan.
• 32:37
  That's a late nineties car and it's also a sleeper.
• 32:40
  You know, we're talking.
• 32:40
  Well, that's a great idea.
• 32:42
  I love you guys.
• 32:43
  That suggestion made this whole thing worth it.
• 32:46
  I love that idea.
• 32:47
  I'm not saying I'm gonna do it definitively, but like I wasn't
• 32:49
  even thinking about dinner.
• 32:51
  Curry.
• 32:51
  I love Ronan.
• 32:53
  I mean, you know, all his cool, uh, double clutching was in
• 32:55
  a EO, I think, but whatever.
• 32:57
  Yeah, great idea.
• 32:58
  Love it.
• 32:59
  Put some, yeah.
• 33:00
  In those cars back then you're talking somewhere, you know, south of 400
• 33:04
  horsepower, but it's easy to untap the four two and get more power out of it.
• 33:08
  Well, well hang really quick as we're, as we're going down this
• 33:11
  path with the, with the Audis.
• 33:12
  What, what about some engine swaps?
• 33:15
  I, I, it's kind of kicking around some ideas, right?
• 33:17
  Like, what if I put the E 39 M five motor, which I, pardon
• 33:21
  me, I forget the designation.
• 33:22
  S 62 or something.
• 33:23
  I don't remember the E 39 M five motor, but like, put that in an E 40.
• 33:28
  I think there might be an opportunity to create, 'cause I do want
• 33:31
  something that's kind of unique.
• 33:32
  I think there might be some fun ideas around around doing something like that.
• 33:36
  I'm wondering if you guys have any, that's Pandora's box.
• 33:39
  Crazy, crazy thoughts on thematically appropriate engine swaps.
• 33:42
  Right.
• 33:43
  So like one of the coolest cars I think I've ever seen is an original two 40 Z,
• 33:46
  like a 1971 or two or whatever that had a skyline, but like a, mm-hmm like an R 33.
• 33:52
  In line six dropped in it, right?
• 33:54
  And it was like, here it is kind of, you know, four generations later of that
• 33:58
  motor of the original inline six in there.
• 34:00
  Obviously not for a nineties car, but like what, what do we think might be a, a
• 34:04
  thematically cool engine swap type idea.
• 34:07
  It's probably not a popular opinion.
• 34:09
  A lot of people call it a hairdresser's car, but I actually like the eight series.
• 34:12
  It was on my list as well as one of my top, the three suggestions.
• 34:15
  I definitely liked the eight series I I was, I was so disappointed as a kid
• 34:19
  that, how slow they were, because they looked so fast, they looked badass.
• 34:23
  I mean they looked so cool and then they were like not actually fast.
• 34:26
  Even the V 12 was just kinda like, why did you put a V 12 in
• 34:29
  it if that's all it's gonna do.
• 34:30
  And there's three different motor packages for the V 12.
• 34:33
  There's like a five oh, a five four and a five six or something like that.
• 34:36
  So if you're gonna get one, you get the later one because at least they figured it
• 34:39
  out and you get slightly more horsepower.
• 34:41
  So, so be it.
• 34:42
  The biggest problem that the uh, V twelves ran into was the early V twelves
• 34:46
  were nothing but two six cylinders.
• 34:49
  The failure points were enormous.
• 34:50
  Like the throttle bodies were $1,500 a piece.
• 34:54
  Oh.
• 34:54
  And they failed in pairs.
• 34:55
  They failed in pairs, which apparently was bad.
• 34:59
  You know, the, the one thing you hadn't mentioned, you're talking about Audis
• 35:02
  and you know, the A a A and the A A L were neat cars, but I had probably the
• 35:08
  more advanced version of that because of the time period and the technology.
• 35:13
  Which was the original Audi V eight.
• 35:15
  They were, from a technology standpoint, amazing.
• 35:18
  But you know, they also used probably some of the worst technology ever available.
• 35:25
  Well, let's make a V eight by taking two 16 valves and putting 'em together.
• 35:28
  Right.
• 35:28
  I mean, it's a kind of, that's what they were doing back then.
• 35:30
  'cause I don't know why.
• 35:32
  That's what Ford did to Aston Martin.
• 35:33
  Right, exactly.
• 35:34
  As soon as they bought 'em, they're like, here, take this
• 35:35
  Ford Taurus and times it by two.
• 35:38
  If we're still talking about the Audis, I mean like to Brad's point, I
• 35:40
  mean we grew up at one point I think we had three Coop Quatros, right?
• 35:45
  But that was the beginning of the nineties.
• 35:47
  So that was the beginning of the round period, right?
• 35:49
  Where it's like, okay, here's a marshmallow and, and four wheels.
• 35:53
  So those early Audis kind of all look the same.
• 35:55
  You know, the 90 Cs sport, the, the Quatro, all that kind of stuff.
• 35:58
  Even the 100, they weren't anything to write home about.
• 36:01
  But it's not until you got to the B five S four or to the S eight where it kind
• 36:05
  of, they started to change their mind and started to go in an aggressive direction.
• 36:09
  And then, you know, Audi now is, is 180 out from there again.
• 36:12
  So I think there's some cool stuff there.
• 36:14
  It's just a matter of digging deeper and seeing what you can do.
• 36:17
  So to Eric's point, I've got your car for you right now.
• 36:20
  Alright, let's do it.
• 36:21
  It's an Audi coop.
• 36:22
  Quattro.
• 36:23
  It's in Eric's garage right now.
• 36:25
  It's got a motor swap.
• 36:27
  It's already done.
• 36:28
  It's true.
• 36:28
  It just needs some TLC.
• 36:30
  He'll sell you to you for a hundred grand right now.
• 36:34
  It's true.
• 36:35
  It is an S eight motor in there, so it's 400 horse and it was featured
• 36:39
  in European car for anybody that's listening many, many years ago, so.
• 36:42
  Wow.
• 36:42
  So it's a famous car too.
• 36:43
  Look at that.
• 36:44
  That's true.
• 36:44
  Original one-off, original six speed manual.
• 36:47
  Does it?
• 36:47
  Does it cut?
• 36:48
  Do you have original?
• 36:48
  You have the, do you have the magazine article like Uh, yeah, you have.
• 36:52
  There you go.
• 36:53
  Yep.
• 36:53
  Well, that was the only one that ran in the country, if I recall.
• 36:56
  That's true.
• 36:56
  And then we did a Ur Quatro with a three six swap from the car that Matt was
• 37:00
  talking about, the original VA Quatro.
• 37:02
  So we had two kind of unicorns at the time, but that other
• 37:05
  car is no longer available, but he's still got the one for sale.
• 37:07
  A hundred grand.
• 37:09
  Yeah.
• 37:09
  I'll take offers a hundred percent.
• 37:11
  I have dollars.
• 37:12
  But you know, since we talked about Audi and you know, we, we've, we've touched
• 37:15
  on some cars that might be unreliable.
• 37:17
  Let's talk about British cars for a minute.
• 37:19
  And Brad flashed up the esprit.
• 37:22
  So what do you think about that?
• 37:23
  I loved those cars when I was a kid.
• 37:25
  I, there, I think getting a lot of power out of 'em was the problem.
• 37:28
  It was nothing cooler.
• 37:29
  Was that V eight any good?
• 37:31
  I know it was like a 3.5 liter twin turbo.
• 37:33
  V eight.
• 37:34
  No, the transmission was the best part of that car.
• 37:36
  You're gonna swap it.
• 37:37
  Wasn't the transmission in French?
• 37:38
  No, it was out of a mano.
• 37:40
  Apparently the mano gets a bad rap.
• 37:43
  It really wasn't a bad car.
• 37:45
  They loved the mon and old top gear.
• 37:47
  They, they talked about the mon.
• 37:48
  They talked about the mon, like it was the greatest family car you could ever buy.
• 37:52
  Oh, it was everywhere in Germany too, because you did a billion
• 37:54
  things to it and we called it the Jaguar X type in this country.
• 37:59
  Yes.
• 38:00
  Yeah.
• 38:01
  Or the SVT contour, which the SVD contour was a, was a surprisingly nice car.
• 38:07
  In fact, I have a friend who has one that's 200,000 miles on it.
• 38:09
  Original clutch.
• 38:10
  And they were neat cars.
• 38:12
  I mean, they were small cars too.
• 38:14
  But you know, remember that this is in a time period when a big
• 38:17
  car was what, a five series?
• 38:19
  Yeah.
• 38:20
  And what's five series size today?
• 38:21
  It's like a, it's like a three.
• 38:23
  You're, that, that I always said about my F 82 or 85 M three that I bought, the 2015
• 38:29
  M three that I bought, it was the E 39.
• 38:31
  I always wanted, that generation of three series is bigger than that nineties, five
• 38:36
  series, you know, and, and it was like, this is, this is the M five that I want.
• 38:40
  Of course the M five now is a boat.
• 38:43
  Oh, I so, and so I'm just buying the M three.
• 38:45
  But since we're talking about engine swaps, the Brits are pretty
• 38:49
  famous for jamming weird motors in kind of just normal cars.
• 38:53
  And that's why I wanted to bring up and talk about the Brits,
• 38:55
  because the answer here in America.
• 38:57
  Is LS swap the world.
• 38:58
  We already know that.
• 38:59
  So there's no other swap to do over there.
• 39:00
  It's the Land Rover V eight and and all the things, but I came across
• 39:05
  two cars and the And the Land Rover.
• 39:07
  No.
• 39:07
  Tell us.
• 39:07
  Tell us, what about the Land Rover?
• 39:09
  The Land Rover V eight sucks.
• 39:12
  There's nothing to write home about because it's nothing but the three nine
• 39:17
  redone and the later ones the four fours and the four sixes are BM BMW motors,
• 39:20
  which is fine, but they're BM BMW motors.
• 39:23
  Yeah, I think that's, I think they use, I think they use them over there simply
• 39:26
  because that's what they have available.
• 39:28
  That's very true.
• 39:29
  So speaking of cars that have BM BMW motors swapped into them from
• 39:32
  the factory, and this is why I wanted to bring up British cars.
• 39:35
  What about the Bentley Arage, which came with a 4.4 liter turbocharge BMW engine,
• 39:42
  or the optional six and three quarter liter turbo and that's another sleeper?
• 39:47
  I'm not sure I have the patience.
• 39:49
  To own one of those cars in the sense that it's gonna spend at least six
• 39:52
  months out of the year in the shop.
• 39:54
  You know?
• 39:54
  And then looking at the gap of my garage more, more days than it's filled
• 39:59
  would be difficult because you're gonna be waiting for parts forever.
• 40:04
  So the other one I came up on the Brit list, and they are
• 40:07
  famous for, this is Jaguar.
• 40:10
  Are we talking J?
• 40:11
  We are talking jets.
• 40:14
  JI drive a J and it's the XJR with the supercharged four liter, it
• 40:19
  makes 370 horsepower, zero to 60 and 5.6 seconds, and electronically
• 40:23
  limited to 155 miles an hour.
• 40:25
  I think that car's kind of cool because it's understated.
• 40:29
  It's a jag.
• 40:29
  You're like, ah, it's a jag like anything else.
• 40:31
  But it's gonna put you in your place from traffic light to traffic light.
• 40:34
  Yeah, I think the, the XJR is great.
• 40:37
  The, the old X Ks, I mean, it still kind of looks like an eighties car, but man.
• 40:42
  You look at that.
• 40:43
  That's, that's such, I I still think it's such a cool looking car
• 40:46
  and I don't know when they came out with a more modern looking xk.
• 40:48
  That might have been like 99 or something.
• 40:51
  No, I mean, I think Jags, they're so good looking and in the nineties
• 40:54
  I think you still get some of that authentic British, uh, cigar library
• 40:58
  type feel to it, whereas like by the two thousands that that's turned into
• 41:02
  some cartoonish caricature of itself.
• 41:05
  The, the XJ was a sleeper too, because like the M five, you really had to
• 41:10
  look at it to notice the differences.
• 41:12
  Exactly, and that's why I brought that car up.
• 41:14
  I think it's a fantastic option if you're looking for a sleeper that you
• 41:17
  can hone around in, no one will expect that Jag to be able to put that kind of
• 41:21
  power down and being supercharged, turn the wick up to 11 and see what happens.
• 41:25
  Right.
• 41:26
  Put some pulleys on it.
• 41:27
  Bigger intercoolers.
• 41:28
  See what you can do when, when you're speaking of like the cars from
• 41:31
  either England or Europe in general.
• 41:33
  The little thing that I was doing a while back.
• 41:35
  Is if you go into like eBay co uk, which is England's eBay, you go in there and
• 41:40
  look for the car you're interested in and then shipping it over here, even
• 41:43
  buying it their price and shipping it, you're still in it for less than
• 41:46
  half of what people here states.
• 41:48
  I would be selling the same car.
• 41:49
  So I've spent a lot of time in London for work.
• 41:52
  I have to spend a bunch of time at Canary Wharf and the um,
• 41:55
  the used car values are so low.
• 41:57
  It's crazy how cheap because they're so afraid of gasoline prices.
• 42:01
  So the crazy asshole buys it new 'cause they love the car and they
• 42:05
  don't care how much they're gonna pay for petrol and 80 billion pounds
• 42:10
  per English gallon or whatever.
• 42:12
  They don't care.
• 42:12
  But then used, it's worth nothing.
• 42:15
  Absolutely.
• 42:16
  So I had some coworkers that repa, you know, Patriot, ated
• 42:19
  over there, immigrated, I, we should just say immigration.
• 42:22
  I think that's, they're immigrants.
• 42:24
  The, but the point being is that they, uh, they're over there
• 42:27
  now and they love the cars.
• 42:29
  Like they're, they're buy, they, they're so excited about the crap
• 42:31
  they can buy and how cheap it is.
• 42:33
  You're absolutely right.
• 42:34
  That's a great, that's a great thought.
• 42:36
  Buying it and shipping it from there is still cheaper.
• 42:38
  Now you end up with a right hand drive car, particularly with now
• 42:41
  you're shifting stick left-handed.
• 42:43
  Certainly I'm ambidextrous.
• 42:44
  I don't know about you when it comes to shifting.
• 42:46
  Let's, that's kind like fat too.
• 42:50
  I'd like to bring up another car.
• 42:51
  Can we introduce another, another mark?
• 42:54
  Absolutely.
• 42:54
  Ron, go ahead, Panos.
• 42:56
  I have that on my list.
• 42:57
  The ante.
• 42:58
  Esper, man.
• 43:00
  I mean, out of the box hauls ass gorgeous car.
• 43:04
  And it's made with American Iron.
• 43:06
  It is a modular Ford under, under the hood.
• 43:08
  Yep.
• 43:09
  So, so I just wanted to bring it up because I, I love those cars.
• 43:11
  They're, they're just beautiful cars.
• 43:13
  Pull a picture up, Brad.
• 43:14
  I haven't, I don't think I've seen one of these, uh, Esper made, made in Georgia.
• 43:18
  You need to find one of Brett's disassembled.
• 43:20
  One.
• 43:23
  The nice thing about the five liter Ford is if you can't add power to a five
• 43:27
  liter Ford, you should really give up.
• 43:28
  Yeah, it's like, it's like a small black Chevy.
• 43:31
  I mean, that's a good looking car.
• 43:33
  We haven't talked about, we haven't talked about T That makes me think of the Tvrs.
• 43:37
  Yes, that was on my list.
• 43:38
  The Serra, the Ser, the Erra was, was so hot in video games.
• 43:44
  Even.
• 43:44
  Even some of you know what some of the eighties tvrs look like, nineties cars.
• 43:49
  They were always so far ahead of their time and being out there, uh, you know,
• 43:53
  fiberglass, crazy assholes that they were.
• 43:56
  I think tv, that's a really fun option.
• 43:58
  I've been thinking so much.
• 43:59
  I've been trolling JDM sites about like buying something in Japan.
• 44:03
  I'm importing it over and like I haven't even looking at the uk
• 44:06
  and that could be a lot of fun.
• 44:08
  And you can get skylines from the UK as well.
• 44:10
  And they're a lot cheaper than getting 'em from Japan.
• 44:12
  A lot of people don't realize that.
• 44:14
  So we don't mention Morgan.
• 44:17
  I mean, I mean they've looked the same since like 1920.
• 44:19
  Right.
• 44:20
  So I mean, can you So, so they, they make that, they, they made in
• 44:23
  the nineties they had that four.
• 44:24
  So of course they have the three wheeler.
• 44:26
  No thanks.
• 44:26
  But they made that, the arrow they made forever in the, they had
• 44:30
  that in the nineties and back then it was still wood frame, which
• 44:34
  assuming it hasn't been beaten out or something might be interesting.
• 44:37
  No, but they, they made an arrow, which was different because the Morgan
• 44:41
  like four four and four eight or whatever the hell they were, those
• 44:44
  were the classic look that arrow eight or whatever the hell it was.
• 44:48
  It was almost like a cartoon.
• 44:50
  When they redid the body, it was like a cartoon gangster car.
• 44:53
  Yeah, exactly.
• 44:54
  That's across from, from prohibition.
• 44:56
  Like if, if somebody from Prohibition smoked did some LSD or something and then
• 45:00
  we're like, yeah, we're gonna see this.
• 45:02
  Well, Brad just threw up a suggestion.
• 45:05
  What you got there, Brad show?
• 45:07
  I thought they didn't make this car.
• 45:08
  They didn't, did they make this car?
• 45:10
  I remember I've seen one in person at an autocross.
• 45:12
  Yeah, but they only made like five.
• 45:14
  I remember watching a documentary, I remember watching a show in the nineties
• 45:17
  where Shelby was doing donuts in that car.
• 45:19
  Probably that exact same car.
• 45:21
  He was still alive.
• 45:24
  Dirt.
• 45:24
  We had a guy here who had a, he owned a do it yourself garage and
• 45:29
  he had the Shelby one, two hundred and forty nine were built 249.
• 45:34
  That's more nice.
• 45:34
  That's a lot more than I thought.
• 45:35
  That's really cool.
• 45:36
  Yeah, it's, it was 80 K new, if I remember correctly, from my childhood.
• 45:40
  I've seen one in person though.
• 45:42
  They're slick.
• 45:43
  I mean, but it doesn't look too different than the Payos though.
• 45:46
  In all.
• 45:47
  In all.
• 45:47
  No, I think they were competitors here.
• 45:49
  Here's something we haven't thought about.
• 45:51
  You know what else blew up in the nineties in car culture Kit?
• 45:53
  Cars?
• 45:54
  Yes.
• 45:55
  COBRA Kit.
• 45:56
  Car.
• 45:56
  Like I've, I keep looking at COBRA kits.
• 45:58
  One of my coworkers has a great back draft with a BMW three series suspension in it.
• 46:04
  So it's independent rear multi league front, and you Ford
• 46:07
  racing crepe motor in it.
• 46:08
  Ah, man, I It's the back, but then you just, you're just taking a car that may
• 46:11
  have come out in the nineties, but it's based off a car from like the sixties.
• 46:15
  It is, but, but it's definitely a more, it, it is certainly an
• 46:19
  interpretation of it though.
• 46:20
  It, it is not that.
• 46:21
  That, that original car, but that was just such a craze.
• 46:25
  Right.
• 46:25
  And you remember, you remember walking around as a kid, you'd see
• 46:27
  these kit cars like everywhere.
• 46:29
  Like you don't see too many Cobra kits out on the road.
• 46:31
  Mm-hmm.
• 46:32
  I remember back then used to see 'em all the damn time.
• 46:34
  There's also the, the Ferrari kit cars that were built off.
• 46:37
  The Firo.
• 46:38
  The Osh off the Fiero.
• 46:41
  I think Dan's got one buried in his property somewhere.
• 46:44
  Oh my God.
• 46:45
  Not yet.
• 46:46
  Not yet.
• 46:46
  Oh my God.
• 46:47
  That's terrible.
• 46:48
  So since we're still sort of talking about British cars, there's one that
• 46:51
  we've probably forgotten about, which I happen to stumble across, which was
• 46:55
  the Aston DB seven, the first really modern looking gorgeous, correct?
• 47:00
  Correct.
• 47:00
  The the acid Martin Jaguar XJ.
• 47:03
  Yeah.
• 47:03
  Understated, underappreciated.
• 47:05
  Probably mostly forgotten at this point because of the DB nine and the
• 47:09
  DB nine s and all the successors.
• 47:11
  An affordable nineties car.
• 47:12
  If you're looking for something quasi exotic, if you can find, if
• 47:15
  you can find one with a manual in it.
• 47:16
  Wasn't that a, a supercharged six cylinder?
• 47:18
  I believe it was.
• 47:20
  I think the DB seven was the first time they put the four Taurus v
• 47:23
  sixes together and made the V 12.
• 47:25
  Oh, yeah.
• 47:26
  But I thought they had a straight six, DB seven.
• 47:28
  I think I'd have to go back and double check.
• 47:30
  But there's all these, there's always those packages and swap outs.
• 47:33
  The Brits that love doing that, like, oh, we created a body and
• 47:35
  let's jam another motor in it, you know, call it something else.
• 47:38
  I have a memory of them selling DB Sevens pretty well.
• 47:42
  In fact, I remember that being the first time I actually really saw
• 47:45
  people driving in Aston Martin.
• 47:46
  You'd have to go down to Potomac or somewhere where there were rich people,
• 47:50
  but like, no, certainly not in Frederick.
• 47:53
  That was the first quote unquote new.
• 47:55
  Aston Martin.
• 47:56
  And how long since?
• 47:57
  Since the nda?
• 47:58
  I think it was the war.
• 48:01
  Yeah.
• 48:01
  Well, yeah.
• 48:02
  Yeah.
• 48:03
  Well that was, that's always been the British philosophy.
• 48:06
  Why invent something new and you can continue to use what
• 48:08
  you've been doing for 50 years.
• 48:11
  Could put a Dodge Caravan up there.
• 48:12
  Huh?
• 48:13
  The ultimate nineties car.
• 48:15
  A brand new hell cat.
• 48:17
  Red Eye.
• 48:19
  Yes.
• 48:20
  'cause it is a 1998 Mercedes eClass Go.
• 48:24
  With a 900 horsepower V eight in it.
• 48:26
  It was everything a MG wanted to do in the nineties, but couldn't.
• 48:30
  Nineties car.
• 48:31
  Why did not talk about the Pontiac Sunfire?
• 48:33
  I just want to know.
• 48:34
  It reminds me of the Chevy Cavalier had, I would, I would love to get
• 48:37
  a Pontiac Sun, Pontiac Sunfire.
• 48:39
  I did have a 1989 Chevy Cavalier first car, but I would love to get one just
• 48:43
  to pour gasoline on it later on fire.
• 48:45
  And what will you do with the remaining $99,550 to spend?
• 48:51
  Yeah.
• 48:52
  Something else.
• 48:54
  Well, I'm gonna throw it out there.
• 48:56
  What is it?
• 48:56
  The, uh, Volvo C 70, I think it was.
• 48:59
  I like those from the Saints or the, the, so, the sobs you like.
• 49:03
  Yeah.
• 49:03
  You can't ignore Volvos and sobs.
• 49:05
  Yeah, you can.
• 49:09
  When did, when did, when did the eight 50 R come out?
• 49:11
  Was that 2000 or 2001?
• 49:13
  I don't know.
• 49:13
  I feel like it was kind of a No, the eight 50, well, the eight 50
• 49:16
  R maybe, but the eight 50 turbos, those were out in the nineties.
• 49:19
  Yeah, and they look exactly like that.
• 49:21
  Dodge Caravan.
• 49:22
  I had one, I had a, I had a 1995 H, 50 T five R.
• 49:27
  It was only for one year because the R were only the first and second year.
• 49:31
  Fantastic car.
• 49:32
  I loved it.
• 49:32
  Well that was probably the absolute first Volvo in like what, 30 years?
• 49:38
  It was not such, you know, the V 1800 was a cool car.
• 49:42
  Yeah, I agree.
• 49:42
  You know.
• 49:42
  Then what'd you end up with?
• 49:44
  Two 40 and the 2 42?
• 49:45
  You know, look, look at us.
• 49:47
  Drive boxes.
• 49:48
  They're safe and they're fast.
• 49:50
  Those are fast as as well, man.
• 49:52
  And you're talking about motor swaps is.
• 49:54
  Remember the car that Paul Newman drove?
• 49:56
  It was a seven 40 with a five liter Ford because it fits.
• 49:59
  Yeah, that's true.
• 50:00
  That was pretty cool.
• 50:01
  They drove that car on, uh, an episode of, uh, Seinfeld's Comedian's Cars and
• 50:06
  Coffee with, like, David Letterman has one as well that Paul Newman built for him.
• 50:10
  It's a, it's a cool sleeper.
• 50:11
  And if you go back to your engine swap thing, I think Matt's right on it.
• 50:14
  I mean, it's like a Volvo.
• 50:16
  Make it 400 horse with a Ford crate motor in it.
• 50:18
  That's kind of cool actually.
• 50:20
  Oh, Brad's onto something.
• 50:21
  I'm going in that direction.
• 50:23
  So let's talk about Germans get a hammer.
• 50:25
  That would be great.
• 50:26
  I could do a hammer tribute.
• 50:28
  That would be a lot of fun.
• 50:29
  Well, I was thinking Braas, pick yourself up a bras Mercedes because
• 50:33
  people have forgotten about those cars and that's a precursor to
• 50:36
  the AMGs that we're used to today.
• 50:38
  Absolutely.
• 50:39
  Well, I mean, I think by the nineties.
• 50:41
  A MG had definitely, Braas was the, the underdog by that
• 50:44
  point, A MG had really blown up.
• 50:46
  But no, I, I think the thing that's hard to appreciate though is they,
• 50:49
  they really, the, the volumes were so low, like on those, they're
• 50:53
  genuinely, it, genuinely hard to find.
• 50:55
  But I agree.
• 50:56
  I think that's a great idea.
• 50:57
  Problem.
• 50:58
  Of course, Mercedes never put a manual in anything.
• 51:01
  True, true.
• 51:02
  They, they did, but only in the one 90 E.
• 51:04
  Yeah.
• 51:04
  Or the diesels or something crazy.
• 51:07
  Hold on, but before we go there, so manual is a requirement.
• 51:10
  I won't say that it is a requirement.
• 51:12
  I'm pretty open, but it there, there's gonna have to be some real
• 51:15
  compelling things that bring me in.
• 51:17
  I, I mean, I love that car behind you.
• 51:19
  I love those wheels.
• 51:20
  God, those are so cool.
• 51:21
  This is the 500 e with the Porsche, uh, drive.
• 51:24
  Train, yeah.
• 51:25
  The ones that Porsche did the drive, train, assembly on.
• 51:27
  Yeah.
• 51:27
  Yeah.
• 51:28
  I, I love that car.
• 51:29
  I think that's a very fun idea right there.
• 51:32
  But that just makes you a European taxi cab driver.
• 51:34
  I don't, you know what, no one in Carroll County knows what a
• 51:37
  European taxi cab driver drives.
• 51:38
  I guarantee you.
• 51:39
  That's true.
• 51:40
  I'll give you that.
• 51:41
  That's very bad.
• 51:42
  I taxi cabs.
• 51:43
  Why?
• 51:43
  About why not a Crown Vic?
• 51:46
  Yeah, I was gonna say no Impala ss no Mercury Marauder.
• 51:49
  They're both great cars.
• 51:50
  I don't want one.
• 51:52
  Well, the real, the real sleeper Mercedes is not the 500 E, but the 400 E
• 51:57
  because that was a 300 E with a V eight.
• 52:00
  Oh, interesting.
• 52:01
  So it looked just like the 300.
• 52:04
  Except it happens to have a V eight in.
• 52:06
  They were nice cars.
• 52:07
  They weren't as exclusive as the 500.
• 52:10
  But they also weren't nearly as pricey or as, not finicky, but just
• 52:15
  fragile isn't even the right word.
• 52:17
  When stuff breaks into 500 E, you just kind of bend over with a 400 E.
• 52:22
  A lot of it's just off the shelf for safety, which I guess
• 52:25
  could be the same about the sl.
• 52:26
  Right?
• 52:26
  So the SL 500 I always thought was a gorgeous car, but to your
• 52:30
  point, doesn't come in a manual.
• 52:31
  I guess one of the criteria I was gonna do an sl.
• 52:33
  I definitely do the 600 because V 12.
• 52:36
  And the biggest problem with the SL 600 is it's a fucking whale.
• 52:42
  It's so heavy.
• 52:45
  You're not getting shit outta That's so I'm gonna throw out another idea.
• 52:51
  It's a car that's on the uh, panel right now that might be for
• 52:55
  sale if you gave enough money.
• 52:56
  It's a manual.
• 52:58
  It's German, it's four doors with a V eight.
• 53:01
  It's a seven 40.
• 53:03
  Oh, that's true.
• 53:04
  With a manual swap.
• 53:05
  Yeah.
• 53:06
  See that's another swap.
• 53:07
  You were talking about engine swaps.
• 53:09
  Talking about tranny swaps, right?
• 53:11
  Yeah, so, so the one thing that's really distracted me from this to go a
• 53:14
  little afield of nineties car has been a Ferrari F four 30 with a manual swap.
• 53:19
  It's like you buy an F four 30 for 80 grand, you, you put a $25,000
• 53:23
  transmission swap in it and you have a very, very cool fucking car.
• 53:28
  That's true.
• 53:28
  I'll give you that.
• 53:29
  I could see that as a valid distraction.
• 53:31
  I always struggled with my last M three because had that electronic differential,
• 53:35
  I had to like think about what the computer was gonna decide to do with
• 53:39
  the diff and, and that's what I love.
• 53:41
  The difference with the, the manual GT threes is they put a mechanical
• 53:46
  differential in it, whereas with the pks, they, they go electronic and, and
• 53:50
  they, they try to go best track time.
• 53:52
  But like, I, I agree with you.
• 53:54
  It, it was distracting, like where I thought the backend would
• 53:57
  step out on me on the M three.
• 53:58
  Like, I'd even get to the point where like, I, I was about to like,
• 54:01
  try to counter steer and then, yeah.
• 54:03
  And then the diff would fix it and I'm just like, what the, I
• 54:08
  can't, I can't stay ahead of you.
• 54:09
  What, what are you doing?
• 54:11
  I, I had friends who had the newer a g cars.
• 54:14
  The thing I dislike the most about them is it saves you.
• 54:17
  It saves you from stupidity, it saves you from anything you wanna do to it.
• 54:22
  And I said this many times before, I like cars.
• 54:24
  You have to respect the fact that anybody can get in there and push the pedal
• 54:27
  to the floor, turn the wheel sometimes and let the car fix the rest of it.
• 54:31
  There's no challenge in that.
• 54:32
  There's no fun in that.
• 54:33
  I couldn't agree more.
• 54:35
  You know, the, the Viper mentality, they didn't put traction control in until they
• 54:38
  were federally mandated to, you know, your traction control is the pedal and
• 54:43
  your, and your, and your, and your brain.
• 54:46
  Well, it's funny, it's funny that you say that.
• 54:48
  I've, I've heard a lot about on the nineties cars that like when you try
• 54:51
  to track them, the a BS can get really confused and it can can Oh yeah, yeah, it
• 54:56
  can, it can actually think it's on ice and so then it doesn't break very effectively.
• 55:01
  Sometimes like it, it gets confused and then you can't break
• 55:03
  into a turn and you hit a wall.
• 55:05
  E 36 is love to do that.
• 55:07
  That's true.
• 55:08
  I was gonna say, I'm surprised it's taken this long for the Viper to be mentioned.
• 55:12
  God damnit.
• 55:12
  I was saving it.
• 55:13
  I was saving it.
• 55:14
  That's my crown jewel.
• 55:16
  I know, I, I I figured you would've led with your favorite car, but, you
• 55:19
  know, no, save the best for last.
• 55:21
  You gotta start at the top.
• 55:22
  You know, I'm gonna break it down to a complete bare basic one.
• 55:26
  It's where you can fit multiple in a place of one vehicle if you want to.
• 55:29
  Oh God.
• 55:30
  Just an Austin Mini Cooper.
• 55:31
  I mean, they're cool ass fun little cars to drive.
• 55:34
  Yeah.
• 55:35
  And they built them forever.
• 55:36
  They were the same up until the, the, the Fatties came out.
• 55:38
  I mean, the, the new Minis came out, but, uh, not the, not, not the BM BMW Mini.
• 55:44
  The real Mini, correct, correct.
• 55:46
  Yeah.
• 55:46
  They built those in England up until the two thousands in the old style.
• 55:49
  Yep.
• 55:49
  I love all parts of Karcher.
• 55:51
  I, I appreciate the minis for what they are, but it's not, it just
• 55:55
  doesn't, it's not, you doesn't get me out of bed in the morning.
• 55:57
  I think, I think the Viper, you know, we talked a little bit about like cars that.
• 56:01
  The best 90 cars, nineties cars being made in 2001 or oh two.
• 56:05
  Yes.
• 56:06
  The best nineties viper from 2016 would be a great purchase.
• 56:11
  You can still buy those new today on any Dodge Lot, so you can still
• 56:15
  go, you can still find a Dodge dealer that never sold that car.
• 56:18
  They're sitting right next to the Dodge Dart and the PT Cruiser.
• 56:24
  At any rate, shout out to Romano.
• 56:26
  That's right.
• 56:26
  A hundred percent.
• 56:27
  The Viper is number one on my list by far.
• 56:29
  But in your case, see, I'm, I'm a, I'm a, I'm like a purist.
• 56:33
  I want a Targa.
• 56:34
  I just, I just want a Targa because it's the original, it's like a
• 56:37
  Cobra, the whole nine yard attack.
• 56:39
  And they, when they first came out with that GTS where I
• 56:41
  Exactly, that's where I was going.
• 56:43
  I still, I still remember when I was, I must, I think it was a
• 56:45
  junior in high school when they first came outta GTS, the odd, that
• 56:48
  car was gorgeous, so it still is.
• 56:50
  White, great looking car, loose stripes and that hood scoop.
• 56:53
  Nobody had hood scoops back then, except the WS six.
• 56:55
  Of course.
• 56:56
  Thing was, was uh, was evil looking.
• 56:58
  It was great.
• 56:59
  They're sub a hundred.
• 57:00
  You can still get a GTS coop for less than you guys are missing.
• 57:04
  You guys are missing the, uh, the best price for product.
• 57:08
  That was not a viper.
• 57:10
  I showed that's a low bar.
• 57:12
  Just so we're clear.
• 57:12
  It's a low, low bar, but go ahead please tell us the SRT 10 truck.
• 57:19
  Yes.
• 57:20
  Yes.
• 57:20
  Put that V 10 in the truck.
• 57:22
  It was a great car, great truck.
• 57:23
  I drove one of those and that's.
• 57:25
  It was the craziest fucking thing I've ever driven.
• 57:28
  I've driven, I've driven lightning.
• 57:30
  The SRT 10 truck is way more, fuck, I, I, I go, I think I go cyclone though.
• 57:35
  I think I'd go cyclone.
• 57:36
  Yeah, I agree with you on that.
• 57:37
  To drive home the dangerousness of the original vipers.
• 57:41
  I was talking to another instructor at an HPDE and he said one day a
• 57:44
  guy showed up in a viper and uh, he was talking to, to his coach.
• 57:48
  He goes, yeah, yeah, this is my third viper.
• 57:51
  I totaled the other two, so I figured I better learn how to drive it.
• 57:54
  Oh God.
• 57:55
  And then he totaled the third one at the track.
• 57:59
  I still want one.
• 57:59
  I don't care.
• 58:00
  I still want one.
• 58:01
  That's that, that reminds me of the C five Corvettes.
• 58:04
  Right?
• 58:04
  Like those things could snap on you so quick.
• 58:06
  Of course, I had that 85 Porsche nine 11 in big iron block way out in the back.
• 58:11
  Right?
• 58:11
  This was before they started inching it forward.
• 58:13
  Every generation.
• 58:14
  That thing almost killed me once, and the, the idea of having to
• 58:19
  like feather a throttle to like, so like you, you screwed up.
• 58:24
  Like too little or too much, and just this idea that you just kind
• 58:27
  of have to bounce on it to keep yourself from dying was, uh, yeah.
• 58:31
  Widow makers are funny.
• 58:33
  So I just heard something.
• 58:33
  I can't believe I just heard a Porsche owner admitting that the motor was too far
• 58:37
  back and they have to keep moving forward.
• 58:39
  Oh, those eighties cars the Right, I mean, so it was this huge iron lump, especially
• 58:43
  if you took some of the parts out, right?
• 58:44
  You're in a 2200 pound car with this, all this weight out back.
• 58:48
  Yeah, no, it was, it was really, really hard to hold a drift
• 58:52
  more skill than I, than I have.
• 58:54
  I couldn't do it.
• 58:55
  And so the couple times the backend really got out on me was kind
• 58:58
  of like puckering type moments.
• 59:01
  Well, since we're talking about German cars, now that we have
• 59:05
  left a few on the table, I think, and we talked about Mercedes and
• 59:08
  whatnot, we've mentioned a few BMWs.
• 59:11
  What about
• 59:14
  another Porsche?
• 59:16
  I'd love this idea.
• 59:17
  I think my next family car will probably be a tie can or something.
• 59:20
  Sure.
• 59:21
  What are you thinking?
• 59:21
  I've got a couple favorites all in the nineties, so I'll
• 59:24
  just rattle 'em off real quick.
• 59:26
  9 68, 9 64, 9 64 RS America, 9 93, 9 28 S four or GTS 9 68 was a fine car.
• 59:36
  Its biggest problem was it was a four cylinder, which wasn't
• 59:40
  very exciting for buyers.
• 59:42
  If you could find a club sport though, whole different animal
• 59:45
  compared to the stock 9 68.
• 59:47
  Yeah.
• 59:47
  'cause they cut the counter.
• 59:48
  Sure.
• 59:49
  Well, and and it took everything, it took a lot of what the 9 44 had, which
• 59:53
  was phenomenal weight, balance, and spectacular handling, and added something
• 59:57
  that the nine 40 fours never had.
• 1:00:00
  You know, I mean, nine four, dare you impuning the turbo.
• 1:00:04
  The problem with the 9 68 would be getting real power up.
• 1:00:07
  Agree.
• 1:00:07
  Because they were 230 horse back in the day.
• 1:00:09
  Three liter.
• 1:00:09
  Yeah.
• 1:00:10
  Nothing fancy.
• 1:00:11
  You know, the four cylinders is a little tricky.
• 1:00:13
  You know, you're right.
• 1:00:14
  The, the non-cloud, like the originals, they, they had a really heavy
• 1:00:17
  counterweight, kind of made the motor not as much fun to try and make a
• 1:00:21
  smoother German driving experience.
• 1:00:24
  I love the idea of a 9 28.
• 1:00:25
  It is the coolest car from the eighties that was launched in the
• 1:00:30
  seventies and made through 1998.
• 1:00:32
  Yeah.
• 1:00:32
  Right.
• 1:00:33
  But it's, it is the coolest car of the eighties.
• 1:00:35
  I would totally love a, a 94 or five or whatever, if you can find 'em.
• 1:00:39
  I mean, those cars cost so much.
• 1:00:40
  Damn.
• 1:00:40
  Like the late model ones, those cars cost so much money.
• 1:00:44
  So I, I had this idea I was kicking around earlier of, there was a shop in
• 1:00:47
  Pennsylvania, I can't remember the name now, but they do, they do a lot of work
• 1:00:50
  on 9 28 motors to get through emissions.
• 1:00:53
  They launched the 32 valve in the 85, like so you can find a cheap 9
• 1:00:57
  28 and make a hot rod out of that as opposed to trying buy a four s or
• 1:01:01
  something, which, you know, is just, those cars are $70,000 or whatever.
• 1:01:06
  Unrestored.
• 1:01:07
  I just have to do a quick correction there, mark, because you said that
• 1:01:10
  was the coolest vehicle that like.
• 1:01:12
  Oh, oh God.
• 1:01:14
  Presented in the seventies and was available in the eighties.
• 1:01:16
  Eric, can you mute him?
• 1:01:17
  Body, square body.
• 1:01:19
  That's all I gotta say.
• 1:01:20
  Uh, box Chevy Caprice.
• 1:01:22
  Is that what he just said?
• 1:01:23
  Is that what I heard?
• 1:01:26
  That's a square body too.
• 1:01:28
  Holy cow.
• 1:01:28
  That's terrible.
• 1:01:29
  No, his favorite car.
• 1:01:30
  The Ford Tar Wagon that made it into the nineties, right?
• 1:01:33
  Mercury Sable wagon.
• 1:01:35
  But the thing is, I think the 9 64 was short-lived, right?
• 1:01:39
  88 to 92.
• 1:01:40
  It was only around for four years and it's underappreciated.
• 1:01:43
  But the thing that was badass about the 9 64 is all the variants
• 1:01:47
  that it came in in four years.
• 1:01:48
  The RS America, the CTR, two Yellowbird recreation that they did, the 9 64 turbo.
• 1:01:54
  I mean, there's a bunch of crazy, like it's like the last hoorah of
• 1:01:58
  the old school, nine 11 and to your point, a car that was built in the
• 1:02:01
  sixties that they dragged all the way through the nineties, and they finally
• 1:02:05
  got it right before they basically started over again with the 9 9 3.
• 1:02:08
  Now, don't get me wrong, the 9 9 3.
• 1:02:10
  Gorgeous car, especially some of those colors they had like that
• 1:02:13
  merlott and that ice blue and there's some really neat stuff.
• 1:02:17
  And I got the opportunity to ride in a 95 twin Turbo 9 9 3.
• 1:02:21
  And that was unbelievably eye-opening experience.
• 1:02:24
  And I, I, it, it still has left an impression on me to this day.
• 1:02:27
  Those cars are amazing.
• 1:02:28
  So those are on my vote.
• 1:02:30
  If you're gonna go with Porsches, all the ones I listed, there's some really
• 1:02:33
  cool stuff there in that really short window of time in the early nineties.
• 1:02:37
  It's too bad the 9 6 4 turbos have gotten up, uh, so much in price.
• 1:02:41
  Those, those are really cool.
• 1:02:42
  Those are really cool cars.
• 1:02:43
  They, they made a bunch of different cool, cool fun cars.
• 1:02:46
  Yeah, obviously I'd, if I, if I had a lot more money, I'd have a 9, 9 3 turbo.
• 1:02:50
  Of course car would be badass.
• 1:02:52
  Now I think there's another car we've forgotten about.
• 1:02:54
  You could buy it on a budget.
• 1:02:55
  You'd have a lot of money left over.
• 1:02:58
  What, what, what is this?
• 1:02:59
  S Miata.
• 1:03:00
  Well, there's always, well see you now.
• 1:03:02
  You're ruining it.
• 1:03:03
  The answer's always Miata, but VR six Rado.
• 1:03:07
  Oh, we're gonna do Rados.
• 1:03:09
  I loved Rados as a kid.
• 1:03:10
  I remember my dad and I, we'd go to this dealership and we'd looked
• 1:03:14
  at this, I remember at the time thinking like, this car is $27,000.
• 1:03:19
  Are they out of their mind?
• 1:03:20
  It was expensive.
• 1:03:21
  Yeah.
• 1:03:22
  And that's why we could see that one same car every week for a year, because
• 1:03:26
  they never saw if it was the one in dc if it was the red one in DC it's the
• 1:03:29
  one my dad ended up buying, by the way.
• 1:03:31
  Just like you know, it was one in Frederick.
• 1:03:33
  It was, it was in a f Fred.
• 1:03:34
  It was in the Frederick Volkswagen dealer.
• 1:03:36
  It sat there forever.
• 1:03:37
  But God, that car was cool.
• 1:03:39
  And I loved the idea of the, the supercharged four cylinder before
• 1:03:42
  the, before they put the VR six in it and um, G sixties, which I prefer
• 1:03:46
  the G six over to VR six, last femur.
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  Blasphemer.
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  Well, well, I, I almost, I almost bought a co, I almost bought, instead of that Z 28,
• 1:03:55
  instead of that 94 Z 28, I almost bought a rado, supercharged, uh, force cylinder.
• 1:04:00
  The big downside Rados had was they were heavy compared
• 1:04:04
  to anything Volkswagen made.
• 1:04:05
  The supercharged was slower than the Rocco that it replaced, which was a tough sell,
• 1:04:11
  and the V six, which was obviously faster.
• 1:04:14
  Suffered from the fact that it had this giant lump at the front.
• 1:04:17
  I mean, they were, they were neat looking cars.
• 1:04:19
  The problem with them was they just like every Volkswagen, they drive the wrong
• 1:04:23
  wheels and the weight distribution sucks.
• 1:04:25
  Now, I will say this, the VR six is one of those underappreciated engines though.
• 1:04:29
  And if you follow the VR Society guys on Instagram, they
• 1:04:32
  will swap a VR into anything.
• 1:04:34
  But it's amazing the amount of power they can get out of that 12 valve.
• 1:04:37
  I mean, 900 horsepower is not a stretch of the imagination to do
• 1:04:40
  out of that tiny little engine, which is absolutely amazing.
• 1:04:43
  But staying with that idea, also a car from the nineties, also
• 1:04:48
  from Volkswagen, also available with the VR six, the Eurovan.
• 1:04:52
  Think about Hot Roding.
• 1:04:53
  A Eurovan.
• 1:04:54
  That'd be pretty slick, man.
• 1:04:56
  Sounds nasty.
• 1:04:57
  Big turbo.
• 1:04:59
  You're still gonna light up the front end, but it's in a van.
• 1:05:02
  If I'm gonna hot Rod a minivan, I'll do it right and I will.
• 1:05:04
  Hot Rod a Honda Odyssey, like Rutledge Wood did.
• 1:05:08
  People actually did that like, like when the, the whole Fast and the Furious thing.
• 1:05:12
  It was, it was like when.
• 1:05:13
  It was like a second version of when like, uh, Dr.
• 1:05:16
  Dre got to the suburbs, right?
• 1:05:18
  And, and it was, and so all of a sudden you have all these kids thinking
• 1:05:22
  about like the crap they're gonna do.
• 1:05:24
  Like people were legit putting nitrous kits in Odysseys.
• 1:05:26
  Like, it sounds like a joke, but they did it.
• 1:05:29
  But what van could you buy with a manual transmission?
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  None.
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  None.
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  That's fine.
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  A Dodge Caravan.
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  The Chevy Astro also I think offered a manual for a couple years.
• 1:05:38
  I know, I know someone who had a Dodge Caravan stick shift when?
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  When I was in high school.
• 1:05:42
  Did the Eurovan come with a manual too?
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  This Eurovan I just put in the chat is a manual.
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  There you go.
• 1:05:47
  Boom.
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  This one's a camper too.
• 1:05:50
  What's a West Flia?
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  West Flia.
• 1:05:53
  So Mike being a BMW guy, BMW fan, I think there's one we've forgotten.
• 1:05:59
  Z one.
• 1:05:59
  I can't afford an original Z eight, but a Z one with the door thing that drops down.
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  It could be hot.
• 1:06:05
  The Z eights are slick.
• 1:06:06
  Those are, those are hot.
• 1:06:06
  Those, these are so hot.
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  I love the z eights back in the day.
• 1:06:09
  It is a Z car.
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  Come on.
• 1:06:11
  Come on, Mikey.
• 1:06:12
  Oh, the clown shoe.
• 1:06:13
  That one?
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  Yeah, the clown shoe started in 98.
• 1:06:16
  Z 3M or whatever the, the penis mobile.
• 1:06:18
  It was like an upside down cocking balls.
• 1:06:23
  So those are, those are, you could hoon around in those cars.
• 1:06:26
  They're light, they're agile.
• 1:06:27
  Decent power for as for as big as they are with the 3.2 liter
• 1:06:31
  especially, I drove a, A 98 that was that a gentleman I know special
• 1:06:35
  ordered and all this kind of thing.
• 1:06:36
  It was a cool car I had visibility wise, I thought it was a little
• 1:06:39
  awkward, but it all depends on your height more than anything.
• 1:06:42
  But everybody kind of raves about the clown shoe.
• 1:06:45
  You gotta get over the aesthetics of it.
• 1:06:47
  But it is definitely a hoon car and.
• 1:06:50
  In typical BMW fashion, throw a dine kit on it or something else like
• 1:06:54
  that and make gobs of horsepower.
• 1:06:55
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:06:56
  I, I almost bought a Z four M when I got my E 46, M three.
• 1:07:00
  I was kind of going between the two, but the original Z 3M
• 1:07:04
  would, would be a ton of fun.
• 1:07:06
  That would be pretty, I, I kind of imagine they're, they're ugly.
• 1:07:08
  You either love them or hate 'em.
• 1:07:10
  I think I'd love one, I think I'd love one and that, and that's another
• 1:07:13
  car you really have to respect because it's got a boatload of
• 1:07:16
  power and no wheel base to speak of.
• 1:07:18
  Yeah.
• 1:07:18
  You know, and, and that's fun.
• 1:07:20
  So do we have any other suggestions for Mark?
• 1:07:25
  I think we should go around the, the horn and give our best Hail Mary.
• 1:07:29
  I think so too.
• 1:07:30
  Well, I wanna, I wanna highlight a few things and Mark, you can correct me if I'm
• 1:07:33
  wrong, some of the things you went ooh, ah, about as we were talking about this.
• 1:07:37
  I think 9 28 was on that list.
• 1:07:39
  I think the Audi S eight was on that list.
• 1:07:41
  500 or five Audi E 500 for sure.
• 1:07:44
  And maybe the BMW eight series.
• 1:07:46
  Right.
• 1:07:46
  So those are like the top five kind of out of the list of
• 1:07:49
  30 that we posted out there.
• 1:07:50
  But I think, I think Brad's right, we, we don't have an American one in there.
• 1:07:52
  I like the WS six.
• 1:07:53
  I think that's a fun idea.
• 1:07:55
  I could do that.
• 1:07:55
  Let's shotgun it.
• 1:07:56
  Let's start, Matt, what would you recommend a hundred grand to spend
• 1:08:00
  one car from the nineties go?
• 1:08:02
  Probably the 500 E Mount.
• 1:08:05
  Well, I was gonna say we didn't, uh, for American cars earlier, I don't think
• 1:08:07
  we mentioned it, but the Ford SHO was a bit of a sleeper back in its time.
• 1:08:12
  So.
• 1:08:13
  Get the fuck outta here with the Yamaha motor.
• 1:08:15
  Get the fuck outta here.
• 1:08:17
  Wise guy.
• 1:08:18
  What is this Taurus stuff?
• 1:08:20
  So before it went Ular, the older boxier, the Robocop one, the
• 1:08:27
  Robocop with the Yamaha V six.
• 1:08:29
  That's not a bad, that's not a bad suggestion.
• 1:08:32
  Ford probe.
• 1:08:33
  So Mountain man Dad, that you, you're a Blasphemer dude.
• 1:08:35
  You cannot recommend a Ford as a bow tie man.
• 1:08:38
  So what's your shotgun for Mark?
• 1:08:40
  No, no, no.
• 1:08:40
  I wasn't recommending it because I'm not a fan of SOI was just mentioning it.
• 1:08:44
  As I mentioned, Uhhuh, definitely, like I said earlier, I'm a hundred
• 1:08:47
  percent on board with the WS six option.
• 1:08:49
  'cause there's.
• 1:08:50
  A ton of aftermarket stuff you can do.
• 1:08:52
  And those LS engines will take tons of power.
• 1:08:55
  But if you're gonna go with European best bang for your buck would be go online
• 1:08:58
  and try to find something and ship it.
• 1:09:00
  'cause I think you would get it here stateside and have a lot more
• 1:09:02
  money to be able to invest in it than if you were to buy one already.
• 1:09:05
  Stateside.
• 1:09:06
  This is the slowest speed round I think we've ever done.
• 1:09:09
  Yeah, because everybody's got 10 other, you know, things
• 1:09:11
  they want to add in there.
• 1:09:12
  Race, Iran, what are you thinking?
• 1:09:13
  Shotgun citation X 11.
• 1:09:16
  No, that's too word.
• 1:09:17
  Oh god, I'm, I'm thinking the Esplanade all the way.
• 1:09:20
  The ante, thees.
• 1:09:21
  Esper.
• 1:09:22
  Classy car.
• 1:09:23
  Beautiful.
• 1:09:23
  Makes a lot of power holds.
• 1:09:25
  People got modern, uh, conveniences and still hauls ass and you can
• 1:09:29
  make a ton of power with that.
• 1:09:30
  Five liter or bigger.
• 1:09:32
  I have three.
• 1:09:32
  The Ferrari F 3 55, the Shelby Series.
• 1:09:35
  One or one that would actually be attainable for me.
• 1:09:38
  The 3000 GT Shelby series one.
• 1:09:41
  Do we know how much those cost?
• 1:09:42
  They're, they're in the stratosphere.
• 1:09:44
  They're expensive.
• 1:09:45
  Oh yeah.
• 1:09:45
  Nope.
• 1:09:46
  Out of budget.
• 1:09:46
  I like some of the suggestions that have been put out.
• 1:09:49
  I mean, I am, I was surprised by the WS six because I forgot about
• 1:09:52
  it, and I do really like that car.
• 1:09:54
  I think that's a lot of fun.
• 1:09:55
  I think you could have a lot of fun with that.
• 1:09:57
  But for the amount of money you would spend in a WS six, you would park
• 1:10:02
  it in your garage next to your GT three and go, oh God, I own a pond.
• 1:10:05
  I'd park it on top of my GT three.
• 1:10:07
  Yeah, right.
• 1:10:08
  You'll never drive that.
• 1:10:10
  WS six and the interior is complete garbage.
• 1:10:13
  It's like sitting in your Cavalier from the eighties all over again.
• 1:10:16
  Point in case, right?
• 1:10:18
  So that you would be miserable.
• 1:10:19
  That's why I say if you're, if you're really thinking about going down that
• 1:10:22
  route and you don't want something exotic like the Penos or you know, all these
• 1:10:27
  other cars we talked about, I honestly believe my heart of heart Viper is
• 1:10:32
  the answer because it's already done.
• 1:10:34
  It sounds amazing.
• 1:10:35
  It looks amazing.
• 1:10:36
  It, it's not even moving.
• 1:10:38
  And it looks fast.
• 1:10:39
  It is fast.
• 1:10:40
  It's a cool car.
• 1:10:41
  It's it's quintessential nineties.
• 1:10:43
  They got it right.
• 1:10:44
  Especially with the GTS coop.
• 1:10:45
  I don't think you can go wrong and you're probably gonna end up.
• 1:10:49
  You know, picking one up, let's say in the market of 70 to 80, you know,
• 1:10:52
  pristine condition, low mileage without having to do a whole heck of a lot.
• 1:10:56
  And you'll have money left over in your pocket.
• 1:10:58
  You know, you build some of these other cars and you're still left
• 1:11:00
  with whatever the base car was.
• 1:11:02
  Now the exception to the Viper rule, like I said, is if you go back to
• 1:11:07
  the Porsches from the early nineties or mid nineties, there's some really
• 1:11:10
  cool stuff there, especially if you could find a low mileage 9, 9 3 or
• 1:11:13
  even a 9 64 or something like that.
• 1:11:15
  But you already have a nine 11 and you want something different.
• 1:11:18
  So I still think my vote lies with the Dodge.
• 1:11:21
  Alright.
• 1:11:21
  Alright.
• 1:11:22
  And secretly I wanna drive it after you get it.
• 1:11:24
  So just letting you know and, and I'm gonna change, I'm gonna drop the series
• 1:11:27
  one because they are unobtainium and I'm gonna replace it with the B five S four.
• 1:11:32
  I like that.
• 1:11:33
  I like that.
• 1:11:34
  I think I'd go S eight if I was gonna do Audi though.
• 1:11:36
  I agree with you on that one.
• 1:11:37
  Been there, done that.
• 1:11:39
  I'm gonna throw this out there.
• 1:11:40
  I know you, this is for me.
• 1:11:41
  Just so we're clear.
• 1:11:42
  This is for me.
• 1:11:43
  Oh, you're not buying me a car.
• 1:11:45
  Well, why are we doing this shit?
• 1:11:49
  It's what waste should I buy?
• 1:11:50
  What should last 90 minutes?
• 1:11:54
  Eric was uh, talking some trash on your Ws just now.
• 1:11:58
  But here's the thing though.
• 1:11:59
  Pontiac is no longer a brand.
• 1:12:01
  That means it's only gonna increase in value.
• 1:12:03
  Bullshit.
• 1:12:04
  It's gonna stay at 15 grand for its eternity.
• 1:12:09
  No, I, so I think, no, actually I do think you're right.
• 1:12:12
  I, I think probably a good condition one would go up.
• 1:12:15
  The, the problem is, is like, I'm, like I said, I do want to get into
• 1:12:18
  modification and, and personalization of it, and I, I think that will kind of.
• 1:12:22
  Will hurt Its resale of, of a viper or are you talking about the problem?
• 1:12:25
  Oh, the, the w the like, you know, of the W six or whatever of a viper.
• 1:12:29
  I mean, everybody knows that's a death trap.
• 1:12:32
  I think if, honestly, if I were gonna get a viper, I don't think
• 1:12:35
  I'd get one from the nineties.
• 1:12:36
  Like I think it would scratch that nineties itch, but I would get a later
• 1:12:39
  one and you know, then one of the ones that makes 640 horsepower or whatever,
• 1:12:43
  and it's, you're getting that outta the box and it only costs 20 grand more
• 1:12:47
  than the one from the nineties anyway.
• 1:12:48
  I mean, I've ridden on track in an A CR and it's unbelievable.
• 1:12:52
  One of my favorite cars ever.
• 1:12:53
  I mean, you can keep everything else as, as far as I'm concerned.
• 1:12:58
  So just like every, what should I buy?
• 1:13:00
  Episode, we never really do come to a logical conclusion.
• 1:13:04
  Lots of really great suggestions and I'm gonna put air quotes around.
• 1:13:07
  Great.
• 1:13:07
  And it was really fun to have everybody on the show.
• 1:13:09
  So Mark, hopefully we gave you some food for thought, you know, maybe
• 1:13:12
  some things you weren't thinking about, some other things to consider,
• 1:13:15
  some sleepers and and whatnot.
• 1:13:17
  So we wish you luck on your journey.
• 1:13:19
  We wanna follow back up with you and see what you end up buying.
• 1:13:21
  You know, thanks for coming on.
• 1:13:22
  This has been a lot of fun.
• 1:13:23
  Awesome.
• 1:13:24
  You know, I really appreciate it.
• 1:13:25
  You guys have given me a lot to think about.
• 1:13:26
  I, I think it's important for me, like I try not to get married to any one idea.
• 1:13:31
  And so I try to find that mix of like the car that's in the right condition
• 1:13:36
  and, and kind of checks those boxes.
• 1:13:38
  And, and so it's like, I, I, it's not like I'm gonna come out of this and
• 1:13:41
  just pick one car and then I'm gonna go and try and hunt and find that it's
• 1:13:44
  more of like, it's kind of broadened my horizons from a search perspective.
• 1:13:48
  I will find a car that feels right and I'll pick it up, and you guys
• 1:13:51
  have given me a lot of good ideas and, and I, and thinking in different
• 1:13:55
  directions from cars and even purchase markets to where I want to do that.
• 1:13:58
  So I appreciate it.
• 1:13:59
  This has been great.
• 1:14:00
  Very cool.
• 1:14:00
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• 1:14:04
  racer Ron Hazmat mountain man.
• 1:14:06
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• 1:14:09
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• 1:14:14
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• 1:14:15
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• 1:14:18
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• 1:14:19
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• 1:14:23
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