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The Kenny Report | 8 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 4: Historic cummings and goings in politics. Tonight, the Greens leader
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  Speaker 4: Adam Bank concedes defeat and leaves Parliament, taking a swipe
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  Speaker 4: at Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 3: And the media on the way out.
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  Speaker 4: And as I suggested on Monday, just sent at Namba,
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  Speaker 4: jimber Price is switching to the Liberal Party and could
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  Speaker 4: become deputy leader. Also tonight, more renewable energy chaos with
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  Speaker 4: more strife at snowy two point zero. I'll cross to
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  Speaker 4: the Vatican again after black smoke last night. The Cardinals
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  Speaker 4: conclave is about to meet again. Former Foreign Minister Alexander
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  Speaker 4: Downer joins us to talk about the Liberal parties woes,
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  Speaker 4: and Mark Nicholson and Tim Blair will talk about Pauline
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  Speaker 4: Hansen's election celebrations. It's a fairly unusual election when a
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  Speaker 4: party leader loses their own seat. It's famously happened to
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  Speaker 4: John Howard, of course, as Prime Minister in two thousand
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  Speaker 4: and seven. But this time it's happened to two party leaders,
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  Speaker 4: Opposition leader Peter Dutton on the night and today the
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  Speaker 4: Greens leader Adam Bant. It's quite incredible really, because Dutton
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  Speaker 4: was leading in the polls just a couple of months ago,
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  Speaker 4: and Bant went into this campaign fully expecting to be
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  Speaker 4: sharing power with Labor. Instead, Labor has a thumping majority
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  Speaker 4: and the Greens have lost three of their four lower
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  Speaker 4: House seats, including their leader's seat of Melbourne, forcing Bant.
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  Speaker 3: Out of politics.
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  Speaker 5: This time.
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  Speaker 6: Everyone was gunning for us, and we came very close,
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  Speaker 6: but we couldn't quite get there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Bant was quite emotional there, but there aren't too
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  Speaker 4: many people who have thrown more hatred into politics than
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  Speaker 4: this bloke. His sense of moral superiority fuelled a visceral
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  Speaker 4: disdain for his hot for his opponents.
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  Speaker 6: People in Melbourne hate Peter Dutton, and with very good reason.
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  Speaker 6: They've seen his brand of toxic racism on display for
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  Speaker 6: many years. They've seen his time as Immigration Minister, they've
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  Speaker 6: seen him make comments about Melbourne, and like me, many
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  Speaker 6: of them wanted him as far away from power as possible.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 4: Bant is wrong about most things, and I'll come to
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  Speaker 4: a bit more of that in a moment, but he's
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  Speaker 4: not always wrong. It turns out that sometimes he gets
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  Speaker 4: something right, and some of his election analysis was close
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  Speaker 4: to the mark.
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  Speaker 6: Labor did run a very good campaign and they linked
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  Speaker 6: Trump to Peter Dutton and made it.
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  Speaker 5: Clear as we sought to do as well.
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  Speaker 6: But Labor made it very clear that Dutton was about
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  Speaker 6: trying to bring the Trump style of politics to Australia
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  Speaker 6: and I think it became one of the key defining
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  Speaker 6: features of the Actually that drove to be part of
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  Speaker 6: that five week retired that we spoke about.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that sure was a big part of it.
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  Speaker 4: Band kept banging on today about how he won the
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  Speaker 4: most first preference votes in Melbourne but lost the seat.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Mate, Remember you got elected in the first place when
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  Speaker 4: Labour won the most votes and liberal preference has got
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  Speaker 4: you over the line. And most Labor MPs over the
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  Speaker 4: past decade or so have been elected because of Green's preferences,
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  Speaker 4: often when the Liberals have led on first preferences. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: he's winging about a preference system that's actually been the
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  Speaker 4: key to the Green's political rise. Now, Band, like most
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  Speaker 4: climate alarmists, has failed to.
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  Speaker 3: Practice what he's preached.
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  Speaker 4: Over the years, the Victorian MP has booked up private
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  Speaker 4: jet flights on taxpayer funded travel, adding to his carbon
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  Speaker 4: footprint as well. As public expenses, and Band has also
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  Speaker 4: taken the Greens away from environmentalism, leading them to become
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  Speaker 4: the most prominent and hateful activists against Israel, giving sakka
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  Speaker 4: to supporters of Humas.
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  Speaker 6: The best thing that government could do to bring peace
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  Speaker 6: in Gaza is stop backing the Israeli government invasion of
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  Speaker 6: Gaza and take some concrete steps right now to put
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  Speaker 6: pressure on this extreme war cabinet of Benjamin Ettnyahu that
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  Speaker 6: is ignoring orders to stop genocide.
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  Speaker 4: Just shocking and fact free and helping to fuel hatred
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  Speaker 4: on our shores, especially against Jewish Australians.
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  Speaker 7: Now, Band didn't take any questions today.
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  Speaker 4: He just made his lengthy farewell speech and scurried off,
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  Speaker 4: but not before lecturing the media.
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  Speaker 6: Pro Finish Harp. I want to get a little bit
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  Speaker 6: of free advice to the media if I can. I
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  Speaker 6: can see the grimaces here, but we're in a climate crisis.
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  Speaker 6: We're in a climate crisis. I really want the media
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  Speaker 6: to stop reporting on climate as a political issue and
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  Speaker 6: start thinking about it as if our country was being invaded.
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  Speaker 7: Just bizarre, as if our country is being invaded.
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  Speaker 4: If we were being invaded, the Greens wouldn't want us
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  Speaker 4: to fight back anyway, They're not really into defense. So
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  Speaker 4: before I finish up, let me give a bit of
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  Speaker 4: free advice to the Greens. Stop trying to scare people
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  Speaker 4: with alarmist exaggeration and lies about the climate. Just deal
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  Speaker 4: with the facts and the science. It makes you far
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  Speaker 4: more believable and it's actually more honest and ethical. Second,
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  Speaker 4: don't pretend that anything you do in this country, opposing
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  Speaker 4: coal and gas projects or promoting the reckless renewables roll out.
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  Speaker 4: Don't pretend that any of that will have any effect
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  Speaker 4: on the climate.
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  Speaker 7: It won't, it can't, and you know it.
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  Speaker 4: So if you want to reduce global emissions, start taking
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  Speaker 4: up the fight with China. Try to lecture China on
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  Speaker 4: emission's reductions. Perhaps give it a go in Russia too,
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  Speaker 4: Take your activism to where it might actually make a difference. Anyway,
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  Speaker 4: with Bant gone, the Greens will still spout the same
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  Speaker 4: sort of loopy stuff and just have a think about
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  Speaker 4: who their next leader will be.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, have a look at some of the leading contenders.
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  Speaker 8: I've just returned from Pakistan after seeing Miami. Australia's criminal
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  Speaker 8: inaction on climate is deeply felt. There felt in the
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  Speaker 8: extreme heat, felt in the melting glacials washing away entire villages,
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  Speaker 8: and felt in the everyday life of children in Pakistan
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  Speaker 8: who suffocating in an ever deadly mix of intense heat
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  Speaker 8: and trapped pollution. So we must remember also to lift
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  Speaker 8: our gaze. We must start a process of making climate
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  Speaker 8: reparations to the global South countries who are most harmed
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  Speaker 8: by Australia's contribution to the climate crisis. The Albanezi government
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  Speaker 8: has been complicit in the genocide in Gaza and they
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  Speaker 8: have failed to take strong action against Israel's war crimes.
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  Speaker 9: Have you sold out your environment credentials for over it
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  Speaker 9: often stinking in an attention salmonction, salmon.
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  Speaker 10: We are living in a time and world of climate catastrophe.
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  Speaker 9: These are climate fires and they are raging.
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  Speaker 11: Forty two point seven billion over four years.
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  Speaker 10: That is an absolute outrage from a government that said
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  Speaker 10: there wouldn't be any new public money.
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  Speaker 12: It's new coal, oil and gas.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the loopiness and the lies and the bile is
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  Speaker 4: going to continue. I just want to share with you
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  Speaker 4: a statement via social media that Peter Dutton has now
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  Speaker 4: put out in response to Adam Bant. He says, no
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  Speaker 4: spin by Adam Band can change the reality that he
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  Speaker 4: and other Green members lost their seats because of their
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  Speaker 4: appalling treatment of the Jewish community. Australians were rightly disgusted.
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  Speaker 3: At their behavior.
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  Speaker 4: We were proud to preference the Green's last helping to
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  Speaker 4: ensure Adam Bant's loss. There you go, boot up the
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  Speaker 4: backside from Peter Dutton as he goes now as you
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  Speaker 4: just saw then from the leading contenders to replace Adam Bant,
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  Speaker 4: he is gone, but the Greens well they will remain
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  Speaker 4: the same. We had a bit of fun with this
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  Speaker 4: last night, as you'll remember when Pauline Hansen's shared her
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  Speaker 4: glee at Adam Band's defeat. It was a pretty honest
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  Speaker 4: and enjoyable bit of telly, and plenty of others lapped
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  Speaker 4: it up afterwards.
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  Speaker 13: Have a look with Adam Band being punted from Parliament.
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  Speaker 13: Many members of Parliament are over the moon, none more
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  Speaker 13: so than Pauline Hanson.
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  Speaker 1: I did a dance around the house my bra on
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  Speaker 1: Nickers and I had to have a Gin and tonic.
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  Speaker 13: So that's Pauline Hanson with Chris Kenny on Sky News
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  Speaker 13: and I just.
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  Speaker 10: Loved Pauline Hanson's comment that she was in her Brian
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  Speaker 10: Nickers running round having a gin and tonic.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone's celebrating when they heard the news.
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  Speaker 14: There were some comments actually celebrating his loss, but none
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  Speaker 14: more loudly and proudly than the one and only Pauline
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  Speaker 14: Hanson on sky.
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  Speaker 1: I did a dance around the house, my bra on Nickers,
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  Speaker 1: and I had to have a gin and tonic.
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  Speaker 14: Oh my apologies briefers for that visual so early this morning.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was pretty great stuff. Pauline had every right
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  Speaker 4: to celebrate. Of course, her critics have tried to dance
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  Speaker 4: on her political grave end sleep for decades. She even
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  Speaker 4: did time in jail, as you'll recall. So a bit
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  Speaker 4: of a dance and a g and T to celebrate
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  Speaker 4: the hateful Greens leader losing. I think we can all
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  Speaker 4: identify with that. In fact, as you know, Hanson's been
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  Speaker 4: raising money for her cartoons by selling gin. Perhaps she
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  Speaker 4: ought to market a special bottling to mark this.
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  Speaker 3: Occasion, the Bye Bye Bant gin.
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  Speaker 4: Well, perhaps instead of that green ant gin from the
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  Speaker 4: Northern Territory, Pauline Hanson could sell the Greens Ban gin,
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  Speaker 4: the Greens Ban gone gin.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see.
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  Speaker 7: I can't wait to talk.
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  Speaker 4: About all this with Tim and Mark Later in the
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  Speaker 4: program Big News this vo on the coalition side with
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  Speaker 4: prominent and popular senator just sent to Nampa jimper Price
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  Speaker 4: declaring that she'll switch from the Nationals party room to
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  Speaker 4: the Liberal party room and we expect she'll immediately join
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  Speaker 4: the leadership contest. This is something I raised with her
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  Speaker 4: on Monday, and she pointedly did not rule it out.
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  Speaker 4: Would you consider, I know, under the COLP traditionally you
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  Speaker 4: must sit in the National's party room. Would you consider
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  Speaker 4: seeking to change that so you could sit in the
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  Speaker 4: Liberals party room?
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  Speaker 7: Well?
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  Speaker 10: Look, you know again, I guess the count hasn't been finalized.
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  Speaker 10: We're all trying to get our heads around what's just happened.
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  Speaker 4: You didn't rule out trying to switch to the Liberal
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  Speaker 4: party room.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, Look, as I said, there's a lot to consider
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  Speaker 10: right now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it just seemed to be on the cards to me.
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  Speaker 4: And now it's on. With the news breaking late this afternoon,
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  Speaker 4: namberjiber Price's defection from the NATS is understood to come
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  Speaker 4: as part of Angus Taylor's bid for the Liberal leadership,
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  Speaker 4: with speculation that nambajimber Price will run on Taylor's ticket
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  Speaker 4: as deputy. In a statement, Namba Jimber Price has confirmed
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  Speaker 4: only her defection from the Nationals, saying she wants to
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  Speaker 4: fight for all Australians. I believe I'll be more effective
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  Speaker 4: in this regard if I'm a member of the Liberal Party,
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  Speaker 4: she says, especially as the party faces a significant rebuild
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  Speaker 4: after Saturday, a rebuild, I feel obliged to play a
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  Speaker 4: robust part in. Naberjib A Price went on to say,
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  Speaker 4: I want to bring back our core values of liberty,
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  Speaker 4: individual freedom and responsibility, the rule of law, free market
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  Speaker 4: and economic prosperity, minimal government intervention, a fair go and
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  Speaker 4: most of all, love for our nation Australian. So there
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  Speaker 4: you go, Senator Jacintha Namberjipa Price, the woman who almost
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  Speaker 4: single handedly defeated the Voice referendum by getting the Nationals
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  Speaker 4: to oppose it, which forced the Liberals to oppose it. Well,
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  Speaker 4: now she's throwing her lot in with the Liberals. It
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  Speaker 4: looks like a masterly moved by Angus Taylor. If he's
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  Speaker 4: to win the leadership, he needs a wrong woman to
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  Speaker 4: join him, and there is no stronger or more popular
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  Speaker 4: coalition woman than Namba Jimper Price. Watch this space. She'll
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  Speaker 4: be on with Peter Quedlin in the next hour. By
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  Speaker 4: the way, now we have more on that story in
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  Speaker 4: a moment with Bridget McKenzie. But let's head back to
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  Speaker 4: the Vatican now, where the conclave to elect a new
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  Speaker 4: pope is going to meet again shortly. They held one
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  Speaker 4: round of voting yesterday with no clear majority. Obviously apparently
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  Speaker 4: we could expect up to four votes today. Let's bring
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  Speaker 4: in our reporter Stash Butler live from the Vatican.
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  Speaker 3: Great to talk to you, against Dash, it was just.
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  Speaker 4: That historic moment in Australian time. We're sort of waking
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  Speaker 4: up to the news and to see that black smoker
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  Speaker 4: was expected, of course on day one, but it's a
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  Speaker 4: hell of a way to signal to the world that
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  Speaker 4: there's no decision yet. What was the reaction like in
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  Speaker 4: the Vatican in the square there as people were waiting.
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  Speaker 15: Well, there was a huge roar from the chris when
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  Speaker 15: that finally that black smoke emerged around nine pm local time.
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  Speaker 15: Here tens of thousands of people were gathered in the square.
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  Speaker 15: It felt in many ways just as busy, at least
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  Speaker 15: in this square, as it had been when Pope Francis's
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  Speaker 15: funeral was held here just over a or a week
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  Speaker 15: and a half ago. People had been waiting there, as
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  Speaker 15: worth pointing out, for several hours. The smoke actually came
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  Speaker 15: two hours later than we had been told when I arrived,
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  Speaker 15: you know, an half an hour. An hour before that.
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  Speaker 15: People had already been waiting for several hours of really
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  Speaker 15: a lot of people willing to put hours and hours
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  Speaker 15: aside to be there for that historic moment. Actually, when
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  Speaker 15: the moment itself came, the big screen set up around
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  Speaker 15: the square to with a close up of the chimney,
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  Speaker 15: because the chimney itself is quite far away and quite small,
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  Speaker 15: but the camera actually failed precisely at the moment when
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  Speaker 15: that smoke emerged. So there was a bit of confusion
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  Speaker 15: at that moment, but then a huge roar when the
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  Speaker 15: crowd realized that we finally had that signal again said
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  Speaker 15: rather archaic signal, something the Vatican has been doing for
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  Speaker 15: centuries now, but the only way we know what's going
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  Speaker 15: on inside the Sistine Chapel, where those one hundred and
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  Speaker 15: thirty three cardinal electors are casting ballots to aside the
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  Speaker 15: next pope, looking for that two thirds majority to elect
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  Speaker 15: the next leader of the Catholic Church.
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  Speaker 7: What's our understanding of the process?
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  Speaker 4: Stas as you say, it's highly secretive, But do we
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  Speaker 4: know whether people who are nominated actually get up and
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  Speaker 4: speak to the conclave, or whether they do in fact
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  Speaker 4: nominate themselves, or whether it's others pushing people forward. Is
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  Speaker 4: their discussion, is their public debate?
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  Speaker 3: Do we know how it plays out?
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  Speaker 15: I think there's obviously this is something that's cloaked in
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  Speaker 15: a lot of secrecy. I would say that it's seen
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  Speaker 15: as something of a faux pat to put yourself forward
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  Speaker 15: as a candidate. That was something that Pietro Paroline, the
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  Speaker 15: Vatican Secretary of State, was accused of doing in the
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  Speaker 15: past couple of weeks. He's seen by many bookmakers at
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  Speaker 15: least as the front runner. So I don't think there's
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  Speaker 15: overt candidacy in that sense, but there definitely would be
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  Speaker 15: people coalescing around candidates, a lot of discussion going on.
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  Speaker 15: I mean, remember, while there's this solemn vote, you know,
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  Speaker 15: voting in the Sistine Chapel itself, the cardinals in centuries past,
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  Speaker 15: they would actually live in the in the Sistine Chapel,
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  Speaker 15: They now, you know, living about less than a kilometer
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  Speaker 15: away in two dormitories.
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  Speaker 5: There's plenty of.
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  Speaker 15: Occasion for chatting for you know, canvassing of sorts, and
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  Speaker 15: certainly discussions among cardinals when they're having lunch, when they're
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  Speaker 15: having breakfast, when they're having dinner over who they think
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  Speaker 15: should be the next leader. So I think there's definitely
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  Speaker 15: that going on. There are also opportunity for speeches in
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  Speaker 15: the Sistine Chapel itself, so certainly a lot of discussion
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  Speaker 15: and that's how ultimately this thing is going to resolve itself.
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  Speaker 7: Fascinating stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Good luck.
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  Speaker 4: We're reporting the rest of it to Stasha. Appreciate Stash Butler.
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  Speaker 4: They're reporting to us live from the Verdictan. I want
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  Speaker 4: to go back to our domestic politicians, some.
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  Speaker 3: Of the leaderships.
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  Speaker 4: Addigan's going on behind closed doors there too. With National
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  Speaker 4: Senate leader Bridget mackenzie joining us from Bendigo, good to
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  Speaker 4: talk to you again, Bridget. You must be disappointed by
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  Speaker 4: the news that senator just sent to NOAWB jimper Price
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  Speaker 4: is leaving your party to sit with the Liberals.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah.
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  Speaker 16: Absolutely, I think it's a devastating loss to our party room,
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  Speaker 16: particularly our Senate party room.
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  Speaker 7: We're a tight team.
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  Speaker 16: We're a close knit team. We fought many battles together
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  Speaker 16: and whilst we're strong coalitionists, we are very very separate parties.
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  Speaker 16: And so it's very disappointing news that Jacinta has decided
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  Speaker 16: to head over to the Liberals.
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  Speaker 4: It is a slightly unusual situation, of course, being from
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  Speaker 4: the territory. They're members of the Country Liberal Party. But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: traditionally the senator from there has always sat with the Nationals. Now,
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  Speaker 4: the ambition here intrigues intrigues me. And this is why
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  Speaker 4: I thought to ask Justither about it on Monday, because
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  Speaker 4: I just thought there might be a path there for
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  Speaker 4: her to have a more prominent role with the Liberals,
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  Speaker 4: because but obviously you're after a deputy. She could have
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  Speaker 4: put us off up to be deputy of the Nationals.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously that's not going to happen. Now you need a
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  Speaker 4: new deputy. Of course, will you be putting yourself.
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  Speaker 3: With the loss of Peran.
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  Speaker 16: Well, well, Chris, you know, I think it's devastating news.
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  Speaker 16: Justin could have put her if she wanted to be
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  Speaker 16: part of the leadership team of the coalition. There was
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  Speaker 16: a vacancy in the National Party deputy leadership obviously, and
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  Speaker 16: she chose not to do that now I know. I've
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  Speaker 16: spoken to people in the Territory today following the news.
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  Speaker 16: They're devastated that she's chosen to leave the Nationals because
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  Speaker 16: the Territory senator has always been with the National Party,
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  Speaker 16: bar for a brief break in the seventies, and indeed
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  Speaker 16: the Territory Senator Nigel Scullion was not only leader in
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  Speaker 16: the Senate, he was for a short time leader of
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  Speaker 16: our entire party. And so it is a great loss
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  Speaker 16: in terms of my own ambitions. Where we have a
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  Speaker 16: party room on Monday, we have a Senate party room
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  Speaker 16: on Monday, and I'm a great respector of my party rooms,
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  Speaker 16: and so I won't be showcasing my thinking here on
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  Speaker 16: Sky Chris as much as.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Could.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: I just showcase some of my thinking, and that is
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: that Paren Davy was the deputy leader even though she
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: sat in the Senate with you, and you, of course
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: are the Senate leader for the Nats. It would make
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: obvious sense for you now to become the deputy leader
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: as well as the Senate leader for the Nationals.
• 19:44
  Speaker 16: Well, for those who haven't been following at home, I
• 19:46
  Speaker 16: have been deputy leader to Barnaby Joyce. I have been,
• 19:50
  Speaker 16: I was elected in twenty seventeen. I've also been deputy
• 19:53
  Speaker 16: leader to Michael McCormack. So I'm, you know, very blessed
• 19:59
  Speaker 16: and high to be the Senate leader at the moment.
• 20:02
  Speaker 16: And all positions will be spilled on Monday, Chris, and
• 20:04
  Speaker 16: that's all I'm going to.
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: Say about it.
• 20:06
  Speaker 16: I prefer to do our leadership discussions away from the cameras.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: That was a pretty good pitch though, I'll give you
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: that much, Senator McKenzie. Just bear with me, because I'm
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: reading this in lifetime.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: I want to share it with you in our audience
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: at the same time.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: And that is because your leader, David Little Proud has
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: put out a statement regarding just into Nabajema Price and
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: he says that he is disappointed she's opted to switch
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: to the Liberals, and he negotiated an extra position in
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: shadow cabinet before the election, of course, to get her
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: into the shadow ministry, which was important especially for the Voice,
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: and the Nationals were the first to lead the notecase
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: with her. So he's essentially saying she got a lot
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: of assistance and support from the Nationals and now she's
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: leaving them. So he appreciates she has ambition that extends
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: beyond the possibilities of the Nationals and he wishes her well.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: So we'll get into that in more detail when he speaks.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: But is intriguing, right because if she has ambitions beyond
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: the Nationals, well, she's leader of the Nationals. You can
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: be deputy prime minister, right, That comes with the job
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: if you're in government. The only way to be more
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: ambitious than that is to actually be the Prime minister,
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: and she can't do that from the Senate. Do you
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: think this might be a presage a move by just
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: Into Namba Jimba Price to actually switch to the lower
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: House in years to come.
• 21:28
  Speaker 16: Well, I think, you know, just Into spearheaded our No
• 21:31
  Speaker 16: campaign that was so successful and really saved our country,
• 21:35
  Speaker 16: and you know will forever be grateful for that, but
• 21:40
  Speaker 16: incredibly disappointed. Loyalty matters in the game of politics, and
• 21:44
  Speaker 16: so it is incredibly disappointing. I shared David's disappointment, and
• 21:49
  Speaker 16: indeed my Senate team, who I've spoken to all of
• 21:52
  Speaker 16: them today, who assisted not just to Center but the
• 21:56
  Speaker 16: COLP right throughout the campaign and prior to make sure
• 22:01
  Speaker 16: we can strengthen their offering and help their candidates wherever
• 22:05
  Speaker 16: we could. Are incredibly disappointed by this move by Justinna,
• 22:08
  Speaker 16: so I'm going to let her speak for her ambitions,
• 22:12
  Speaker 16: but I can just say that, you know, we loved
• 22:16
  Speaker 16: what she did in our party room and disappointed that
• 22:19
  Speaker 16: she's decided to leave us to pursue other opportunities with
• 22:25
  Speaker 16: the Liberal Party.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Is it more strength to the arm of those who
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: say the two parties should merge nationally like they have
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: in Queensland.
• 22:36
  Speaker 16: I'm from the Victorian Nationals and they'll have to do
• 22:39
  Speaker 16: that over my dead body.
• 22:40
  Speaker 17: That's pretty clear.
• 22:42
  Speaker 16: Very different political movements, very different political movements with very
• 22:47
  Speaker 16: different philosophies.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us, Bridget, I appreciate it, Senator Bridget
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: mackenzie there, Victorian National.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Senator joining us live from Benny Goo. Got to get
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: to a break now.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: On the other side, former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer on
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: the woes of the coalition and in particular the Liberal Party.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: We'll go to Alexander Downer in a moment, but before
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: we do, I just wanted to show you again some
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: of the post election analysis from the outgoing Greens leader
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Adam Band have a look at this.
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: Labor did run a very good campaign and link. They
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: linked Trump to Peter Dutton and made it.
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: Clear as we sought to do as well.
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: But Labor made it very clear that Dutton was about
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: trying to bring the Trump style of politics to Australia
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: and I think it became one of the key defining
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: features of the election that drove to be part of
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: that five week retirede that we spoke about.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Adam Band there.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Let's now go to former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer joining
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: us in our Sydney studio. Alexander Ban's not right about
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: a lot of things, and he overstates that the Trump
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: like factors I suppose, but his argument that Labor successfully
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: linked the coalition to Trump and we had all the
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: Trump shenanigans during the campaign, It certainly was a big factor,
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: wasn't it.
• 24:11
  Speaker 18: I don't think it was a big big factor. I
• 24:13
  Speaker 18: think it was a marginal factor. But I think the
• 24:16
  Speaker 18: big factor that led to the demise of Adam Bant
• 24:20
  Speaker 18: was the anti Semitism of him and the Greens during
• 24:23
  Speaker 18: the period post seventh of October seventh of October twenty
• 24:28
  Speaker 18: twenty three, they have been disgraceful and the Liberal Party
• 24:32
  Speaker 18: can be proud that they preferenced the Greens last because
• 24:36
  Speaker 18: of that, and Bant lost his seat because of that.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Well, going on to then your other reasons that you've
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: written about, of course publicly, about why the coalition failed
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: in the election campaign, and you've accused them effectively of
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: not sticking to their core principles, of.
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: Not arguing their case strongly enough.
• 24:57
  Speaker 18: No, I mean the Liberal Party have conceded into actually
• 25:01
  Speaker 18: so much ground to the progressive Left, who have been
• 25:04
  Speaker 18: very dynamic and aggressive in arguing their cause. So they
• 25:09
  Speaker 18: need to come back and reconnect with their core philosophy
• 25:16
  Speaker 18: of promoting liberal democracy. And that's, by the way, one
• 25:20
  Speaker 18: of the reasons why just Center's prices defection to the
• 25:24
  Speaker 18: Liberal Party is such a promising development for the party
• 25:28
  Speaker 18: because she has a very strong anchor in liberal philosophy.
• 25:33
  Speaker 18: She won that Voice debate almost single handedly because of
• 25:38
  Speaker 18: her philosophical commitment to the equality of equal value of
• 25:43
  Speaker 18: all people. So these are the core principles the Liberal
• 25:47
  Speaker 18: Party needs to get back to, and she will help
• 25:50
  Speaker 18: them do that.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: She is absolutely that sort of politician that I know
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: you respect and appreciate and would like to see more
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: of on the coalitions, and that is she's a warrior.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: She's a political warrior who.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: Chooses her targets and fights hard each and every day
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: for them.
• 26:09
  Speaker 18: And unlike a lot of people in the Liberal Party
• 26:13
  Speaker 18: to be brutally honest, she's fearless. She absolutely goes out
• 26:18
  Speaker 18: and makes her arguments unapologetically and with great determination. I
• 26:24
  Speaker 18: think she's one of the most important center right politicians
• 26:28
  Speaker 18: in Australia of her generation. And the fact that she
• 26:32
  Speaker 18: could end up by being the dignity leader of the
• 26:35
  Speaker 18: Liberal Party, which on the basis of the media is
• 26:38
  Speaker 18: a possibility, is a very very good sign for the
• 26:42
  Speaker 18: Liberal Party. An Indigenous woman who has philosophical roots deeply
• 26:48
  Speaker 18: embedded in Liberal philosophy. That is a great thing for
• 26:52
  Speaker 18: the Liberal Party.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: Well, you might have heard Senator Bridget Mackenzie previously from
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: the NATS. Of course, they're feeling very disappointed that she
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: leaving the NATS.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: They feel as if.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: They've been used, I suppose to paraphrase it. That's understandable.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: But when we look to the battle for the leadership
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: of the Liberal Party, and more than the battle for
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: the leadership, but the battle about how they're going to
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: fight back from this horrible situation they're in. Surely, if
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: this is true, the speculation that Angus Taylor is going
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: to run as a ticket with Jacinta Namba jimper Price,
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: that puts him in a very very strong position to
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: defeat Susan Lay, who might be running with Dan Tin.
• 27:36
  Speaker 18: I mean, I don't have any sense of how the
• 27:39
  Speaker 18: numbers might flow, but I do know that the Liberal
• 27:43
  Speaker 18: Party needs to get back to its philosophical roots and
• 27:46
  Speaker 18: have the courage to argue for the liberal democratic model
• 27:50
  Speaker 18: and its values and argue against the heavy concentration of
• 27:55
  Speaker 18: power now in the hands of the Labor Party and
• 27:57
  Speaker 18: the unions in this country. Liberal Party should be the
• 28:01
  Speaker 18: party of putting power back into the hands of ordinary people.
• 28:05
  Speaker 18: The Labor Party is the party of concentrating power. And
• 28:09
  Speaker 18: you know, just Enter Price, she's absolutely wonderful at making
• 28:13
  Speaker 18: those arguments. She has real roots in the philosophy of
• 28:18
  Speaker 18: the Liberal Party. And you know, for those of those
• 28:21
  Speaker 18: people who like symbolism the fact that she's an Indigenous woman,
• 28:26
  Speaker 18: you know, those people can lap that up as well.
• 28:29
  Speaker 18: I mean, I don't really care whether she's a man
• 28:31
  Speaker 18: or a woman or in what her racial profile is.
• 28:35
  Speaker 18: I care about her philosophy, that's what impresses me about her.
• 28:39
  Speaker 18: But she has those advantages over and above that.
• 28:43
  Speaker 17: Now you did mention them, you did go down the
• 28:46
  Speaker 17: identity politics path.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Maybe you've been captured by the liberal left as well.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us, Alexander.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Great insight.
• 28:54
  Speaker 18: Me not me, but some people love it.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Alexander.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: Down to the former foreign minutes, so you can just
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: tell her what he said there was true about just
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: in the Nabajiba.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Price of cross.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: But you can see there his excitement and the thrill
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: that the Liberals are going to have this politician, this
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: political warrior, in their party room, in their leadership team
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: quite possibly, as we saw just before that the disappointment
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: among the Nats.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Well, we better get to a break. On the other side,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: there are plenty of issues to get through in the
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: rest of the program.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: I'm going to talk about this national debate now about
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: whether smacking children should actually be illegal and also more
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: trouble for that disastrous snowy two point zero project. Well,
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: one of those ongoing debates is back in the headlines.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: Should parents be allowed to smack their children. Queensland is
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: reviewing their laws, with one hundred health and welfare experts
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: putting forward a submission calling for corporal punishment to be outlawed.
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: He's the latest from seven.
• 29:59
  Speaker 19: New Currently laws provide a key defense against assault charges
• 30:06
  Speaker 19: when striking kids, allowing for reasonable corporal punishment, but experts
• 30:10
  Speaker 19: want that defense scrapped, saying children deserve to have the
• 30:13
  Speaker 19: same protections against assault as adults or pet.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: So let's get an experts view.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: Let's catch up with child and adolescent psychologists Claire Row again,
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: Good to talk to you, Claire.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Is this a worry?
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: Is corporal punishment a worry with kids? Well?
• 30:31
  Speaker 12: I mean I suppose it is when it's corporal punishment
• 30:33
  Speaker 12: and abuse, But physical abuse of children is already illegal
• 30:38
  Speaker 12: in Australia, so you cannot go around beating your children
• 30:43
  Speaker 12: with wooden spoons and belts and leaving marks hitting their head,
• 30:47
  Speaker 12: all right, So children absolutely do deserve the same protections
• 30:52
  Speaker 12: against violence as adults, and they have that. So what
• 30:57
  Speaker 12: is up for debate now in Queensland is this legal
• 31:00
  Speaker 12: defense that if you do smack your child, you can
• 31:03
  Speaker 12: defend yourself as using reasonable force for corrective measures they
• 31:08
  Speaker 12: call it or discipline, and so yes, it is a
• 31:11
  Speaker 12: very kind of it heads into this gray zone, Chris,
• 31:14
  Speaker 12: where how do we draw clear, but also enforcible line
• 31:19
  Speaker 12: between what is assault and what is say a tap
• 31:23
  Speaker 12: on the hand or a slight smack. And so that's
• 31:27
  Speaker 12: where right at the moment, it probably surprises you to
• 31:30
  Speaker 12: hear that I'm very against smacking children. And that's mostly
• 31:34
  Speaker 12: because most parents who come to me don't want to
• 31:36
  Speaker 12: be smacking their children. Thereafter other methods to be able
• 31:40
  Speaker 12: to get them to comply, and I try to give
• 31:43
  Speaker 12: them that. I think smacking comes from a very emotional
• 31:47
  Speaker 12: and impulsive position. It's very rarely controlled, and I think
• 31:51
  Speaker 12: it just kind of tells your child that I've lost
• 31:54
  Speaker 12: control of the situation and now I've lost control of
• 31:57
  Speaker 12: myself and I'm lashing out. So I don't think it
• 32:00
  Speaker 12: actually is calm and authoritative parenting. But in a situation
• 32:04
  Speaker 12: where we have, you know, I think an epidemic of
• 32:08
  Speaker 12: permissive parenting, I think we're heading down a little bit
• 32:13
  Speaker 12: of a hard routie if we're going to be putting
• 32:15
  Speaker 12: very well intentioned, kind and loving parents into the criminal
• 32:21
  Speaker 12: justice system. I mean, you know, as I said, I
• 32:24
  Speaker 12: think it comes down to much more education. There are
• 32:26
  Speaker 12: better methods to get your kids behavior corrected, and boy
• 32:30
  Speaker 12: do we need that with kids today.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, better ways to encourage them or impose other consequences.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: But as you say, of course, any abusive children, physical
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: or otherwise is against the law anyway. So if you
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: get rid of this defense from corporal punishment in some ways,
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: I suppose it just makes it easier for the lawyers
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: and may if maybe there could be abusive parents who
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: try and use that excuse saying it is corporal punishment.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: So it's easier just to say no, that's against the law.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: So you take out any gray area. I suppose, Well, that's.
• 33:05
  Speaker 12: True, and that's the difficulty as it is. I work
• 33:08
  Speaker 12: as an expert in the family law field and we
• 33:11
  Speaker 12: try to fit in you know, what is human behavior, emotions, psychology,
• 33:16
  Speaker 12: relationships into law, and so here is the problem. Who's
• 33:20
  Speaker 12: going to actually be the expert in every single one
• 33:22
  Speaker 12: of these cases that says no, that crosses a line
• 33:26
  Speaker 12: that doesn't. But at the end of the day, you know,
• 33:29
  Speaker 12: the Department of Communities and Justice in New South Wales
• 33:32
  Speaker 12: and counterparts into state. That's the point of their very
• 33:35
  Speaker 12: highly skilled team of psychologists that come in to reports
• 33:40
  Speaker 12: of abuse with children and they make that risk assessment.
• 33:43
  Speaker 12: That's their job to be able to determine whether this
• 33:46
  Speaker 12: child is actually the victim of assault or whether these
• 33:50
  Speaker 12: parents and many a time DCJ refers parents to parenting
• 33:54
  Speaker 12: courses and support and education which are really helpful. So
• 33:58
  Speaker 12: I'm a little bit on the fence, Chris, because I
• 34:01
  Speaker 12: am anti smacking, but I just worry that if we're
• 34:03
  Speaker 12: sending parents left right and center for police reports and
• 34:07
  Speaker 12: clogging up the system with parents who just actually don't
• 34:11
  Speaker 12: know how to control their kids and need some assistance,
• 34:14
  Speaker 12: we're just heading down a very dangerous path, and like
• 34:17
  Speaker 12: you said, whilst doing maybe very little to address real
• 34:21
  Speaker 12: cases of abuse, and we don't want to clog up
• 34:23
  Speaker 12: our system focusing on these other parents. We've actually got
• 34:27
  Speaker 12: kids at serious risk of assault, which has always been
• 34:31
  Speaker 12: against the law and still is great.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: To get your insights as ever, Claire, Thanks so much,
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Claire row there, who's a great expert we call on
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: all such matters. Now, I want to go back to
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: the trouble plague snowy two point zero pumped hydro project
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: because it's facing you problems now this time the unions
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: are pushing for higher wages and they could end up
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: taking industrial action. The project is already at least six
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: years overdue and as much as twenty billion dollars over budget.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: Let's go to Aiden Morrison, the Energy program director at
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: the Center for Independent Studies.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Good to talk to you again, Aiden.
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: I wanted to use the union kafuffle.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: They'll do what they will.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: We understand that process, it always plays out, but it
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: just drew my attention to this project again. It's muddling along,
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: it's costing a fortune. We have this debate about renewables
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: versus nuclear. Meanwhile, there's probably upwards of twenty billion dollars
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: going in here for a energy storage project that seems
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: to be going nowhere.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
• 35:36
  Speaker 20: And the open secret that everybody's now painfully aware of
• 35:39
  Speaker 20: is that this type of really long duration storage about
• 35:42
  Speaker 20: one hundred and seventy two hours worth of output of power,
• 35:46
  Speaker 20: is the very last thing you're supposed to build in
• 35:48
  Speaker 20: an energy transition. That's been made painfully clear. Even last year,
• 35:52
  Speaker 20: the market operator administering the New South Wales grants asked
• 35:56
  Speaker 20: to be able to shorten the length of long duration
• 35:58
  Speaker 20: storage to four hours because it would cost New South
• 36:01
  Speaker 20: Wales consumers less. So if we were at ninety percent
• 36:04
  Speaker 20: renewables and trying to get to ninety five or ninety eight,
• 36:06
  Speaker 20: Snowy Hyder would make sense. But we built it as
• 36:09
  Speaker 20: the first cab off the rank and it should be
• 36:11
  Speaker 20: the last cab off the rank. And it's being plagued
• 36:14
  Speaker 20: with engineering difficulties, poor design work. It's had so many
• 36:17
  Speaker 20: tunnel boring machine issues at the moment that it's delayed,
• 36:20
  Speaker 20: and that delay has meant that the initial agreement the
• 36:22
  Speaker 20: unions has struck has expired, and now the unions have
• 36:25
  Speaker 20: a chance to renegotiate the whole thing and are going
• 36:27
  Speaker 20: to basically do whatever they can to bring up their wages.
• 36:31
  Speaker 20: So it's going from one for a rock to a
• 36:34
  Speaker 20: hard place, so to speak, and it doesn't look very
• 36:36
  Speaker 20: good for consumer outcomes overall.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: I could never touch this story without reminding people of
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: the ego maniacal way in which Malcolm Turnbull announced it
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: back in twenty seventeen.
• 36:49
  Speaker 21: I am a nation building Prime minister, believe me, and
• 36:52
  Speaker 21: this is a nation building project. These are big dreams
• 36:56
  Speaker 21: in these mountains, real courage in the future a confidence
• 37:02
  Speaker 21: in Australia.
• 37:04
  Speaker 17: These are big dreams out here in their mountains. It's
• 37:08
  Speaker 17: a pity that I don't do cigarette commercials anymore. But
• 37:12
  Speaker 17: I noticed today in other news, Malcolm Turnbull, through his
• 37:15
  Speaker 17: renewables companies, through a private firm he's involved in and
• 37:20
  Speaker 17: set up, is actually selling a couple of smaller pumped
• 37:25
  Speaker 17: hydro projects in the Hunter Valley.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: What can you tell us about that?
• 37:31
  Speaker 20: Yeah, look, that's a really interesting turnaround because it was
• 37:33
  Speaker 20: when the space of about fifteen months, Malcolm Turnbull's company
• 37:37
  Speaker 20: won the rights to develop these and to sort of investigate.
• 37:39
  Speaker 20: There is a super early stage, really sort of feasibility
• 37:42
  Speaker 20: stage figuring.
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: Out whether it even makes sense.
• 37:44
  Speaker 20: But they won the rights to explore a couple of
• 37:46
  Speaker 20: smaller projects, so about ten hours worth of storage together,
• 37:49
  Speaker 20: quite substantial. Still just in February last year, and now
• 37:54
  Speaker 20: there's been actually some extension to New South Wales grant schemes.
• 37:57
  Speaker 20: They've upped the New South Wales targets kept this definition
• 38:01
  Speaker 20: of long storage so that it would be easier for
• 38:03
  Speaker 20: basically pumped hydro schemes to get subsidies through the New
• 38:08
  Speaker 20: South Wales Renewable Energy roadmap and also the Capacity Investment
• 38:12
  Speaker 20: scheme in the federal government. So now I think it's
• 38:15
  Speaker 20: an opportunity time straight after an election, we know what
• 38:17
  Speaker 20: the irregulatory environment is going to be like. Now the
• 38:21
  Speaker 20: capacity Investment scheme has been set in stone, there's now
• 38:24
  Speaker 20: no opportunity for any government to change that. It's only
• 38:26
  Speaker 20: renewable energy and batteries and storage systems that are eligible
• 38:30
  Speaker 20: for that sort of underwriting support. So having got the
• 38:33
  Speaker 20: regulatory hurdles, I think into a much much sweeter spot,
• 38:36
  Speaker 20: they've sold. He's sold that project to AGL who was
• 38:40
  Speaker 20: involved heavily in the lobbying to get those targets set
• 38:43
  Speaker 20: in place in New South Wales as well. So that's
• 38:45
  Speaker 20: what deals look like in the advancement of renewable energy
• 38:48
  Speaker 20: at the moment, but much shorter pumped hydro scheme. And
• 38:51
  Speaker 20: he's been able to turn this one, I suspect for
• 38:52
  Speaker 20: himself for a profit. Unfortunately, taxpayers and can energy consumers
• 38:56
  Speaker 20: are going to be lumped with all the costs of
• 38:57
  Speaker 20: the snowy hydro that was the legacy that he was
• 39:00
  Speaker 20: launching in that clip that you just played.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for unpicking all that for us. Aidan I
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: appreciate it. Aiden Morrison there from the cis here when
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: it comes to renewables, follow the money government subsidies at
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: every step we pay.
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: Now, coming up after the break, I'll catch up with Mark.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Nicholson and Tim Blair will get their take on Pauline
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Hanson's election celebrations and my.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: Idea for a new bottling of gin.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: Let's wrap up this eventful week with the Daily Telegraphs
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  Speaker 4: Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson from step Mate Studio.
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  Speaker 3: Is good to talk to you both. Now.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I'm assuming you were watching the program last night,
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: but you are busy men and there are deadlines to meet.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: So in case you didn't, I've got to show you
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: what Pauline Hanson had to say about the demise of
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: Adam Bant.
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  Speaker 3: Plus, I just like watching it over and over.
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  Speaker 1: Again, just quietly between you and I. I was getting
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: ready to come on your program when I heard the news,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: and I couldn't help it. I did a dance around
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: the house of my bra I had to have a
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: gym and tonic.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm so excited.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: That's the best news I've heard.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Now. She was very excited. Mark.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: She told us that no one there was no one
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: there to film it, so it's not going to turn
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: up on TikTok or whatever. But you can re enact
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: the moment in a cartoon.
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  Speaker 5: No doubt.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: I've got the cartoon, rig I'm already I'm already thinking
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: about doing it because i think it's beautiful.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: This is why Pauline's the goat in my opinion.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: She's just so, she's adorable, she's and she being perfectly
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: encapsulated how I think we all kind of felt like
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: much of the country was dancing around in their bras
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: and nickas.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Me included, that's exactly how we all felt.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: It's just and it's so honest, it's so real, and
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: she's just there.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: She's just the goat.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was brilliant, Tim, and that's the point we've
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: seen Radio has picked it up on others because yeah,
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: she was expressing what so many Australians felt.
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  Speaker 11: Absolutely. But please think of me in this circumstance. Think
• 40:56
  Speaker 11: of the people who can't participate. I don't drink anymore,
• 41:00
  Speaker 11: aren't dead, and until the transition's done, I'm not even
• 41:02
  Speaker 11: wearing the correct attire.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: So you know, mate, if there's one thing we all
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: learned from the last Olympics, and that is we can
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: all dance, mate, there's no excuses.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: And why wouldn't you celebrate the demise of Adam Band?
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: What he's such a lovely bloke.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: Listen to what he had to say today about Peter Dutton.
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: People in Melbourne hate Peter Dutton, and with very good reason.
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: They've seen his brand of toxic racism on display for
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: many years. They've seen his time as Immigration Minister, they've
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: seen him make comments about Melbourne and like me, many
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: of them wanted him.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: As far away from power as possible.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: What a nasty prick, that's the he goes on with it.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Peter Dutton responded today, went on said the reference to
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: Band's appalling treatment of the Jewish community in Australia and
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: said he was very proud that the Liberals the Greens
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: last and made sure that Band got booted out of Parliament.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: But he's a pretty nasty bloke.
• 42:05
  Speaker 11: Tim, Yeah, very unpleasant. But this is so characteristic to
• 42:10
  Speaker 11: the Greens. They'll talk about decorum and standards and so on,
• 42:15
  Speaker 11: and they think the same standards don't apply to them.
• 42:18
  Speaker 11: And then you know, having having got into power largely
• 42:21
  Speaker 11: through our electoral system giving them advantages through preferences and
• 42:25
  Speaker 11: so on. I noticed that they're winging today about losing
• 42:29
  Speaker 11: because of preferences. Well, Jesus, kids, just I mean, it's
• 42:32
  Speaker 11: a fulllorn hope grower.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: Fulllorn indeed speaking of kids that they're just determined to
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: frighten everybody all the time.
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: Have a look at this sort of stuff on climate.
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: Coal in Australia, if it's dug up and burned anywhere
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: around the world, harms our country. The climate crisis, the floods,
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: the fires are fueled by coal and gas.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Mark.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: Now that you're a parent, you don't want your daughter
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: growing up with this fear, this constant fearmongering. And this guy,
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: if this blokes serious about this, if it's really a
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: climate crisis, why haven't we ever seen him and his
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: mates protesting outside the gates of the Chinese embassy or
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: some such.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Exactly, mate, exactly, they never point the finger in the
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: right place. In fact, his speech today, as you know,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: the New Father, I was completely sleep deprived. I had
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: no idea that this was even real. I never thought
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Adam Bant would lose his seat of Melbourne. I didn't
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: believe it until I was watching the speech today and
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: it was classic Adam Ban. He's pointing his finger at
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: everyone else, but the three fingers pointing back at him.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: It's entirely their fault as to why they've lost this seat.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: But they were blaming, as Tim said, they were blaming
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: preferential voting. They'll blame in the whole system. They were
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: blaming Dutton one nation. Who else did they blame? They
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: both the electorate itself for its redivision. They're like, oh,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: those people south.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Of the river.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: It's literally blaming everyone else. And then they were fear mongering.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: It's just it was a classic for a piece of
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: the record. That band speech today should go down as
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: just it's an absolute disgrace because it was just it's
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: so hypocritical and it's emblematic of exactly why they lost
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: this seed and why they're completely a sinking ship from
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: here on out.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: I think, well, of course, you walk the streets of
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: inner city Fitzroy day in day out, Tom was the
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: mood different?
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Was it palpably different? There?
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: This week?
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Made it felt free free. I was walking today, I
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: finally could go outside. Mate, I was so excited that' said.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: I don't think much is going to change. We've got
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: some labor person there that now I don't think she
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: even bothered campaigning. I haven't even seen her, she hasn't
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: said any things, so I'm sure it's not actually going
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: to be entirely that different. But it's a sigh of
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: relief for the nation. That's the difference. At least I
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: can go outside and see some sun.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: Sure is We showed a podcast at Abby Chatfield earlier
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: in the week, who was virtually in tears because Bant
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: looked like losing and she's had another crack.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Here she goes.
• 45:00
  Speaker 22: The greater good was to keep up.
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: Now that was achieved. That was the main goal.
• 45:03
  Speaker 22: So I'm happy with that. I know for a fact
• 45:06
  Speaker 22: you are deeply unlikable, unintelligent, ugly, strange, isolated people who
• 45:13
  Speaker 22: were desperate for community and validation.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: Right, yeah, so they are all the people who are
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: laughing at her distress.
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: Apparently all the ugly, unintelligent people.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: She's summed us up pretty well.
• 45:24
  Speaker 11: Tim, Why if she's a non spoken and I assume,
• 45:28
  Speaker 11: like most people under fifty, that she year is what
• 45:30
  Speaker 11: does she sound like? She's on a pack of Winnie
• 45:32
  Speaker 11: read today, asking as we're saying before ladies, candidate barely
• 45:41
  Speaker 11: even ran and still won. And you know, for all
• 45:43
  Speaker 11: we know, the candidate's AI might not even be real.
• 45:47
  Speaker 11: And secondly, it has been saying for years that you
• 45:51
  Speaker 11: know the climates, it's going to be a disaster, the
• 45:53
  Speaker 11: world's going to end. But what ended first, the world
• 45:57
  Speaker 11: or his political career.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Apparently the political career was in crisis.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: The good news for Abby Chatfield and Sundry bloggers and
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: anybody who votes Greens, the good news is the party
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: goes on. There's just three Lower House members who have
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: had their careers terminated. The party goes on, and in
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: the search for a new leader, they could turn to
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: another great Australian in Sarah Hanson Young.
• 46:21
  Speaker 9: Here she is, have you sold out your environment credentials?
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Throw it upten stinking.
• 46:30
  Speaker 16: And attention, summon.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: Salmon the dead fish in the Senate option Mark that's
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: that could be the new Greens leader.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: I know, yeah, she's gonna have to put the fish
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: down to pick up the big red toothbrush.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know. She's gonna have to make a choice
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: which one.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Look at the rest of the Greens. There's not many there,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: There's not many there that are really they're all kind
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: of just kind of boring. Like the only MP left,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: the only House of Rep's person, This is Elizabeth Watson Brown,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: who I'd never actually really heard of. I think she's
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty years old. Very boring. Who else
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: is Amaren FERRICKI you could go with her, but she's
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: highly legitious, so I have no comment to say about her.
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: And who else is there? Jordan still John like it.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: I'm already missing Adam Batt at this point, to be honest,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: someone him back.
• 47:20
  Speaker 20: I think we'll hear a lot from Sarah Hanson just
• 47:23
  Speaker 20: running through those names though, just quickly.
• 47:25
  Speaker 11: How many hyphens does that party have?
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Seriously, I know.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: They are highly hyphenated, a highly hyphenated party, and so
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: it gets very difficult if you're the deputy leader, because
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: you're the hyphenated person with the hyphenated title and so
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: on and so forth.
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: We will see, well, we look forward.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: To their recovery.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: The Greens.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us. Guys, We'll see you
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: next week.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: Mark Nicholson and Tim Blair, they're both in the Great
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: state of Victoria. I want to go to some of
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: your feedback from last night, especially because many of you
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: had a bit to say about Pauline Hanson and her
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: reaction to Adam Bant, and Matt says, I've never seen
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: Pauline this happy.
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: She's not alone, millions agree with her.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: And then we go to Jeff who says ban booted
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: teals turfed a couple of bright spots in an otherwise
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: dismal election. Yeah, I think that's the way many people
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: thought as well. Another viewer says, on your Pauline, a
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: proud ossie who loves this country.
• 48:27
  Speaker 7: And the final one here is from another viewer says.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Adam Bant, You're fired. He certainly is. He is fired.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: And I'm so glad that Pauline's happiness last night on
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: this program gave many of you so much happiness. It
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: was good to see authentic joy expressed on the program.
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: There.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: Thanks for Johnny, don't forget coming up.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: Next with Peter Quidlin, Senator Jacinta Nampa, jimper Price.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: I'll see you next week.