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I Am All In…Again: The Sky is Opening Up for Luke and Lorelai (Season 4 E21 “Last Week Fights, This Week Tights”) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in.
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  Speaker 2: Again! More, more, more. I want to kiss you more. More, more, more.
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  Speaker 1: I want to kiss you more. I Am All In, again,
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  Speaker 1: with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast. Hey, everybody. Scott Patterson,
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  Speaker 1: iAmAllIn Podcast, one of our productions, iHeartRadio Media, iHeartRadio. podcast,
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  Speaker 1: a company so great it needs three introductions. We are
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  Speaker 1: going to recap season four, episode 21. Last week, fights.
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  Speaker 1: This week, tights. The very special guest host, Julie Dolan.
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  Speaker 1: You may know her as the actress who portrayed one
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  Speaker 1: of Liz's friends, Anna, and played other roles for five
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  Speaker 1: episodes of Gilmore Girls. She's been in several other shows
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  Speaker 1: like Dexter Without a Trace, the voice of Princess Leia
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  Speaker 1: and Star Wars video games. Welcome to the show, Julie.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: It is our pleasure. Julie, I heard you were watching
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  Speaker 1: season four to catch up on your episode. Thoughts on
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  Speaker 1: watching it back?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so my confession is I've never seen all of
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  Speaker 2: season four. So I thought, well, I'm just going to
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  Speaker 2: watch episode 21 for sure. And then I went, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think I'm going to go back and start watching
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  Speaker 2: from the beginning. And I got hooked. so much happened
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  Speaker 2: in season four. It was jam-packed with Rory going to college,
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  Speaker 2: Lorelai opening the inn, Lorelai dating Jason, breaking up with Jason,
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  Speaker 2: Jess leaving and coming back and then leaving again, you
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  Speaker 2: getting married, divorced, married, divorced, Richard and Emily separating, you finally,
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  Speaker 2: you know, kissing Lorelai, and Rory and Dean. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I have not watched... Gilmore Girls from the very beginning.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know if every season is like that,
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  Speaker 2: where so much happens, or if that was something that just,
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  Speaker 2: season four, it just lent itself to all of these
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  Speaker 2: events happening.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think like a great symphony, you know, there's
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  Speaker 1: a crescendo, and then there's a breakdown, and then they
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  Speaker 1: build it back up again. You know, it's like a
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  Speaker 1: great piece of music. Right. Isn't it? And now we're
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  Speaker 1: hitting that. All these storylines are converging and those four
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  Speaker 1: seasons are paying off now. All those, you know, all
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  Speaker 1: those seeds planted earlier now really maturing. And it's pretty,
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  Speaker 1: pretty great to watch. Airdate May 11th, 2004. Yeah. Director
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  Speaker 1: Chris Long, writer Dan Palladino. Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt you.
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  Speaker 1: What were you going to say?
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say, I did start watching a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of season three, just a couple of episodes
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  Speaker 2: to kind of acclimate me to it. And I, you know, I,
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  Speaker 2: I did notice a lot of like Luke is, he's
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  Speaker 2: an angry guy walking around. He's just an angry guy. Every,
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  Speaker 2: everybody pisses him off. Except when I noticed when Laurel,
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  Speaker 2: I would walk in, there's something about you that's softened.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought, huh? Okay, well maybe that's just because
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  Speaker 2: he knows her so well. And then things started to escalate.
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  Speaker 2: And I wondered, was that planned from season one? Like
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  Speaker 2: did Dan and Amy go, okay, we're gonna get these
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  Speaker 2: two together eventually. Or did they see through the seasons, wow,
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  Speaker 2: these two have chemistry, let's get them together. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I always wonder if it's, when there's so many seasons
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  Speaker 2: of a series, if all of that stuff is planned
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  Speaker 2: from the beginning, cause you don't know if you're going
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  Speaker 2: to get picked up or not.
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  Speaker 1: Well, okay. So the pilot episode for me was pretty
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  Speaker 1: much the, the, the final audition for me because that
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  Speaker 1: was the heat check, right? That was to determine because
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  Speaker 1: I never read with Lauren. It was just a guest
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  Speaker 1: star in the pilot. So, you know, they weren't going
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  Speaker 1: to make a deal with the Luke character until they knew. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And so, so, so I had one audition, went to Toronto,
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  Speaker 1: filmed for, I don't know, 10, I was only there
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  Speaker 1: for about 10 days, did a, did a couple of
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  Speaker 1: scenes in the diner and that was that. Wow. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So then they came back and, and I'm sure fans
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  Speaker 1: of this podcast and the show have heard this story before,
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  Speaker 1: but I'll tell you again, They came back and they
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  Speaker 1: offered two episodes. We turned it down to my chagrin.
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  Speaker 1: They came back and they offered four episodes to my chagrin.
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  Speaker 1: And my manager just told Gavin Pallone to go to
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  Speaker 1: Warner Brothers, get the money, get him a deal. You
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  Speaker 1: know you want him. The chemistry's there. You know it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go. And he did. So really, maybe that was
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  Speaker 1: my second audition with the pilot. The third audition was
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  Speaker 1: going to be the two-episode arc. Right. See if see
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  Speaker 1: if they really wanted to commit. And then it was like, damn,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to get a regular job. Right. So but
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  Speaker 1: my manager at the time, a woman named Audrey Khan,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just cut through all of that BS, all
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  Speaker 1: of their hesitation, all of their fear and just said,
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  Speaker 1: just do it. and leave us alone with this stuff,
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  Speaker 1: you know? And, and Gavin Pallone is no wallflower. I mean, he's, he's,
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  Speaker 1: he is a, a tough, smart producer. And he, you know,
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  Speaker 1: at that time had a reputation and it was like,
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  Speaker 1: you don't want to mess with Gavin Pallone because he
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  Speaker 1: knows his stuff. And, you know, when he, when, but, but,
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  Speaker 1: you know, she, she just had a way with people,
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  Speaker 1: you know, she, my manager, my old manager had a
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  Speaker 1: way with people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. That's great.
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  Speaker 1: And forced his hand, like, you know, you're going to
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  Speaker 1: lose them. I don't know. I don't know exactly. I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't there for the phone call, but I know that,
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  Speaker 1: that she was a wizard on the phone.
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  Speaker 2: So what happened when, when they finally pulled the trigger
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  Speaker 2: and said you were the one, did they, they gave
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  Speaker 2: you a deal for the whole season?
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  Speaker 1: Six seasons.
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  Speaker 2: Not knowing if it was going to go six seasons,
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  Speaker 2: but that was the deal. Six seasons.
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  Speaker 1: We kind of knew it would go.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The writing was too good. The cast was too good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it had to. I mean, they were going to
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  Speaker 1: let it go at least a couple, three seasons because
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  Speaker 1: it was just so darn good. Even if it didn't get,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it was the kind of thing that you
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  Speaker 1: read it. And if you had any kind of business acumen,
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  Speaker 1: entertainment business acumen, you knew that advertisers were going to
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  Speaker 1: swarm the show because it's so family friendly and nothing
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  Speaker 1: really bad happens. And it's what they call a female
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  Speaker 1: forward show. So that just checks every single box corporate
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  Speaker 1: America has. I mean, they just... I mean, the pressure
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  Speaker 1: they put on the studio to bring it back after
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  Speaker 1: season seven was enormous. I mean, it was just like, listen. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they were probably poised to make a multi-year
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  Speaker 1: offers to the main cast to come back for two,
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  Speaker 1: three seasons, you know, because that's the kind of, Equity,
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  Speaker 1: the show, had built up with corporate America. Everybody wanted
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  Speaker 1: to advertise on this show. But it was not to be. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so we knew. Anyway, let's get to the show, the wedding.
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  Speaker 1: Patty and Chrissy are practicing the dance with Kirk. And
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  Speaker 1: Kirk is upset. Lorelei walks through the Times Square and
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  Speaker 1: spots Jess. And guess who's in this episode? My then girlfriend,
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  Speaker 1: now wife, mother to my child.
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  Speaker 2: Who?
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  Speaker 1: She was Chrissy, Miss Patty's dance assistant, dancing teacher. Because
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  Speaker 1: my wife is a former ballerina.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's great. Yeah, yeah. So I met her when
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  Speaker 1: I was teaching acting before I even got the show.
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  Speaker 1: I was an unemployed actor. I was very busy with
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  Speaker 1: my acting teaching job. responsibilities. My days were full. And
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  Speaker 1: I think it's probably one of the main reasons I
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  Speaker 1: got to show is because I didn't really need it anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't need acting anymore to support me. I had
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  Speaker 1: a regular job, which was teaching. And it was a
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  Speaker 1: pretty good living. It was a ton of work, just like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, being in this business is a ton of
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  Speaker 1: work on the show. Right. But I was like, You know,
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  Speaker 1: the attitude was like, can we just get through this?
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  Speaker 1: I got another audition. I got an acting class. I
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  Speaker 1: got to teach. And I'm like, I'm out of here.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I don't have time for the BS now.
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  Speaker 1: So that helped. Yeah, that's that's Chris. So, no, I
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  Speaker 1: met her when I was teaching. She was in another class.
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  Speaker 1: She was in another class down the hall.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, she was teaching?
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  Speaker 1: No, she was a student. But she wasn't my student.
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  Speaker 2: Right, okay, okay, gotcha. I know you want to get
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  Speaker 2: on with the show, but I have a little juicy
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  Speaker 2: behind the scenes as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we like that. Early 2003, now we shot this
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  Speaker 1: season in 2003. My first episode was.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, episode 13 with, with the, um, when you, we,
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  Speaker 2: we were in the square, we were, the four girls
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  Speaker 2: were drunk and we, Liz was there. Liz came, um,
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  Speaker 2: that was in December of 2003. So early 2003, I
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  Speaker 2: auditioned for a short film starring Sean Gunn and it
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  Speaker 2: was written by Lee Kirk. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 2: know Lee Kirk. Um, the three of them met in Chicago. Lee,
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  Speaker 2: Lee's a writer. Um, So they wrote this film and
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  Speaker 2: I auditioned for it. I didn't know these guys and
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  Speaker 2: I booked it. So I worked with Sean on this
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  Speaker 2: film and I had known Mara Casey, the casting director
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  Speaker 2: and Jamie Rudofsky from previous auditions and from casting director workshops.
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  Speaker 2: So Mara came to the screening and came up to
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  Speaker 2: me afterwards and said, Oh my God, I've got to
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  Speaker 2: hire you in something. And she was casting her and
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  Speaker 2: Jamie were casting, uh, Gilmore girls at the time. So, uh,
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  Speaker 2: Later on that year, I get a call to audition
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  Speaker 2: for Gilmore Girls and I hadn't been watching it. So
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  Speaker 2: it was back in the day where you didn't have streaming.
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  Speaker 2: You couldn't just go to Hulu and watch the show
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  Speaker 2: to see the genre, to see the style. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you had to wait for Tuesday night to come around
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  Speaker 2: and watch the show. And so I go into read
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  Speaker 2: and I get a call back. Now, Dan Palladino and
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  Speaker 2: I went to high school together. I was his first
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  Speaker 2: girlfriend when we were 15 years old. He says hello,
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  Speaker 2: by the way. I told him I was doing this
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  Speaker 2: and he said hello.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: So I go into the callback and I actually saw
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  Speaker 2: Mackenzie Phillips in the callback. And I go into the
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  Speaker 2: callback and I'm standing in the room with Dan and Amy.
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  Speaker 2: And Dan says, well, I got the bookends of my
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  Speaker 2: relationship in this room. I got my first girlfriend and
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  Speaker 2: I got my wife. And I thought, I'm either going
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  Speaker 2: to book this or I'm going.
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  Speaker 1: To be told to get No, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: So I ended up booking it and they've also hired
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  Speaker 2: me for Maisel too. And Amy directed it.
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  Speaker 1: So that's great.
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  Speaker 2: So that, that happened. And then Dan brought me in for,
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  Speaker 2: you know, four or there are more episodes, just random
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  Speaker 2: little parts as Anna.
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  Speaker 1: Nice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Nice.
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  Speaker 2: So there you go.
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  Speaker 1: Very nice. All right. Continue. Thank you. Um, no, great story. Um,
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  Speaker 1: All right, Luke is prepping the turkey legs while Liz
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  Speaker 1: and her friends are laughing it up. TJ and Liz
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  Speaker 1: are getting married, by the way. They meet Jess, then
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  Speaker 1: a stripper shows up with a package at Luke's. They
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  Speaker 1: go crazy for him.
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  Speaker 2: That stripper reminded me of Christopher Adkins. He did a movie,
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  Speaker 2: One Night in Heaven or something, where he played a stripper.
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  Speaker 2: And this guy looked just like him.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Luke, TJ, and Jess are getting ready
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  Speaker 1: for the wedding. TJ loves his tights and borrows Luke's deodorant.
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  Speaker 1: Luke and Lorelai meet up and he tells her she
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  Speaker 1: looks beautiful. Julie, that was a fun scene. Yeah. That
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  Speaker 1: Luke's with a stripper. What do you remember about shooting
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  Speaker 1: that scene other than he looked like Christopher Atkins?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it was fun to be with the girls again
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  Speaker 2: because we had done the first episode. And Dan directed
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  Speaker 2: this one. So it was interesting for me to be
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  Speaker 2: directed by Dan.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
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  Speaker 2: It was just a very free-flowing, almost ad-lib. We did
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  Speaker 2: a lot of ad-libs. I mean, we kept stuck to
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  Speaker 2: the lines, but there was a lot of room for
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  Speaker 2: ad-lib in this.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: And it was having a lot of... Well, it had
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  Speaker 2: to be like this. It had to be fast.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But when I re-watched it, I noticed some of the...
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  Speaker 2: We were talking... Between each other. Just little comments that
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  Speaker 2: weren't written down.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Okay. Well, the wedding was hilarious. Sweet, but hilarious. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Why wasn't I invited to the wedding?
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  Speaker 1: I was not. Listen, you're going to have to ask
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  Speaker 1: your buddy, Dan. You know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I could have gotten another day out of it. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: Amy was like seething in the background going, she will not.
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  Speaker 2: Be at the wedding.
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  Speaker 1: She You know? Yeah. You just never know. We get
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  Speaker 1: an iconic, the iconic dance scene between Luke and Lorelei.
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  Speaker 1: Sam Phillips reflecting light. What are your thoughts on Luke
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  Speaker 1: and Lorelei's date? It was actually, that scene was pretty
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  Speaker 1: much their wedding, too, because it was better than the
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  Speaker 1: wedding scene in the Netflix episodes, don't you think?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, was it? I haven't seen that one yet.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wait till you see that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I know you had just finished reading that love
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  Speaker 2: book and listening to the tapes. And for me to
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  Speaker 2: see you flip from angry guy wants to be alone,
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  Speaker 2: leave me alone to all of a sudden you were
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  Speaker 2: going for it. It was almost like, hold on, hold on.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not ready for this. And then, you know, when
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  Speaker 2: you asked her to the, the wedding and, And she
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  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, sure, we'll go together. We're buddies. I'll
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  Speaker 2: be your fake date. And you could tell, just the
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  Speaker 2: way you looked at her, you were moving in. And
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  Speaker 2: I was not ready for that yet. Maybe because I
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  Speaker 2: hadn't watched it from season one, I was like, come on.
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  Speaker 2: I know a lot of fans I've seen written going,
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  Speaker 2: it's about time, come on. They were waiting for it.
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  Speaker 2: When I found myself realizing that you realized it was,
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  Speaker 2: it was after you read, it might've been the end
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  Speaker 2: of season three. You read the book and they asked
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  Speaker 2: the pot, the tape asked you the question, when you
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  Speaker 2: want to be comforted, do you see her face? When
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  Speaker 2: you want to tell somebody something exciting, do you see
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  Speaker 2: her face? And you went, whoa, that's when I went,
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  Speaker 2: holy shit. Okay. I had no idea it was going
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  Speaker 2: to happen. So you asking her to the dance, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it was great. It was, I wasn't ready for it,
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  Speaker 2: but watching you together, it was like, oh, this just,
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  Speaker 2: it just melted into each other. It just, yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I, that's why the, the angry guy works. Ah.
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  Speaker 1: Can you, okay. So, so, okay. Here's another interpretation of
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  Speaker 1: the character, right? You play it like that. You play
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  Speaker 1: it like the reflecting light dance scene where he's happy
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  Speaker 1: all the time and he's Mr. Nice Guy to everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Then where's the impact on this?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, where does he have to go? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There's nowhere to go. So imagine Luke in the reflecting
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  Speaker 1: light dance scene being grumpy and annoyed and grouchy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: These people are looking at us. You're too close. Get
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  Speaker 1: away from me. What are you grabbing me for? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But like I said, I did notice in season three,
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  Speaker 2: there was a softness about you with her. It was
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  Speaker 2: very subtle, but I saw it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, he'd made a decision, hadn't he? Right?
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  Speaker 1: He got over his fear. Yeah. He got over his,
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  Speaker 1: you know, his constant justifications for not going for it.
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  Speaker 1: And now it was like the sky is opening up.
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  Speaker 2: But also realizing.
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  Speaker 1: You know what that feels like. Remember when you and
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  Speaker 1: Dan were deeply in love and the sky was opening up? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Remember that?
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  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Young love. There's nothing quite like it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, there's nothing like it.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing like it. And so, you know, that's how
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  Speaker 1: I played it. Like this was the first time. Like
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  Speaker 1: this was young love. Like this was that. Like we're teenagers.
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  Speaker 1: This is what love does. It takes us back and
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  Speaker 1: heals the wounds, right? So that's what Lorelei, that's the
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  Speaker 1: effect she had on Luke.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: She was it.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: That was it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, of course, he was in a bad mood most
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  Speaker 1: of the time because it wasn't that people were annoying him.
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  Speaker 1: He was annoying himself because he didn't have the courage
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  Speaker 1: to make a move. He didn't feel the confidence, right?
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  Speaker 1: He didn't feel, and she was always dating somebody else.
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  Speaker 1: She was going to marry Max. I mean, it was
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  Speaker 1: just like, of course the guy's in a bad mood.
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  Speaker 1: He's not living his truth.
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  Speaker 2: But you tried with other women too. You tried dating,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: you got married, hoping it would work.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can fool yourself into thinking that you love
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: someone when you really, really don't when it's not that thing. Yeah.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: that you and Dan had.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Puppy love.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I'm going to needle you about this the whole episode. Yeah,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: oh great.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: By the way, the episode right before this, after the
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: bachelor party, when you came back and said, I haven't
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: gotten in a fight since high school when Vince Williams
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: called me a duty head. I watched that two days ago.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: I fell off my chair laughing because Dan and I
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: went to school with a Vince Williams. He was one
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: of Dan's buddies. So I called Dan and I said,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: did Vince really call you a duty head? Because Vince
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: was kind of a duty head. He said, no, he
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: never called me that. But he said, occasionally I'll grab
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: names from high school and I'll throw them at the show.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: And he said, I haven't gotten sued yet. So Vince Williams,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I picture, as soon as you said that, I pictured
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: his face and I started laughing.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, what is especially satisfying is, um, you know, watching, uh,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Lorelai's jaw drop when he, when, when Luke asked her
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: out after the wedding.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: And then Lorelai realizing, you know, and Amy Sugarman talks
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: about face acting all the time. She's, she's our, she's
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: our producer on this. She talks about face acting. It
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: cracks me up. The face acting is amazing. You know,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: it's like not the body acting, but the face act.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: As Lorelai realizing that, that this is a big turning
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: point in their relationship. These are big moments in this show.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Well, she has conversations with Rory and Suki going, this
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: is what he said. What do you think? Are you sure?
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Is this real? And I can understand that because it
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: took me for a loop when you were like, had
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: a beeline on her And she was like, what is this?
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, she felt the same way, obviously realizing she
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: felt that way, but not wanting to assume in case
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: you were just being a good buddy. She wasn't sure
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: what was going on, which is, was, was, that's why
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: she was so surprised.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: When you said, you know, I, I, I think the
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: fear on both their parts was, was that they had
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: such a great flow as friends. And they were so
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: comfortable being friends and good friends that adding that extra
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: element is terrifying. Because it's not just the rejection, because
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I think if it hadn't worked out, they'd go back
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: to being friends. It's just wanting to go to the
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: next level and potentially losing the friendship, right? Because you
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: don't know. You don't want to lose that friendship. No,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: you don't want to lose that friend because it's good enough. Right.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: And you've convinced yourself that that's good enough for me,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: but it's really not.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, when you're with somebody that you're attracted to,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I married my best friend and he, we met at
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: universal studios. We were both doing shows, live action shows
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: at universal studios. And, uh, Every time he would come
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: into the break room, my heart would just flutter. But
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: we were good friends. He was married, in fact. And
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: so I just stayed good friends with him. I house
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: sat his dog. But I knew when I first he
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: walked in the door of an acting class, I went,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna marry that guy. And then his finger and
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I went, oh, he's got a ring on. Maybe not.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Maybe we'll just be friends. So we did a lot
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: of shows together and we loved hanging out together. And
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: I loved flirting with him. to a point because I
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: knew it was safe and I wasn't going to lose
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: that friendship.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: And then, I don't know, like 10 years later, eight
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: years later, he ended up getting divorced and I was
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: dating a sword fighter who, who choreographs sword fighting for TV.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: And as soon as he was available, I got tickets
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: for a Rolling Stones concert. Who did I ask? I
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: asked my husband at the time. I was like, you
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: want to, I know I'm supposed to ask my boyfriend,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: but I want to go with you. That was October
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: of 1995. We haven't been apart. No, I don't know why.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Look at you. Look at you with your own Luke storyline.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: But the point of marrying your best friend or starting
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: to date your best friend is scary because you turn
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: that corner and that's what you guys did. Yeah. And
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: there's no going back.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, no. No, the friendship, even if it doesn't work out,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: the friendship is altered. It's just uncomfortable.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't want to lose that because there's
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: so much fun with you and Lorelai flirting in the diner,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: but it's up to a point. And it's exciting. And
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: she loved coming into the diner every day, knowing she
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: was going to see you. And who knows if she
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: really knew how she felt. It was just, it made
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: her feel good to go in there. It was, you know,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: both of you, when she came in, you were excited
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: about it. But that was enough for that.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: She's just using me for the free coffee.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: And the free Danish. I noticed she never did pay
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: for anything.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Never, ever, ever, ever. But that's Luke. He's just going
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: to pay the price and he doesn't care. All right,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: let's talk about Lane and Mrs. Kim. I would say
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: mother and daughter of the year, every year.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Well, Emily and Lorelai, that's pretty much a tumultuous relationship.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I was surprised how the relationship between them, I had
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: to Google, why are they at odds with each other
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: all the time? And I, you know, found out why. Yeah.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: So I didn't know that. So yeah, there's a lot
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: of tumultuous relationships between you and Jess, man, the scenes
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: are intense. And there's a scene where you go visit
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Jess's father who comes to a star's home just for
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: a secret visit. That scene between you and him in
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: his hotel or Airbnb, whatever he had, whatever he was
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: staying in. My God, what a great scene. I watched
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: that with my jaw dropped open and it was like
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I was watching a really good... Really good soap opera.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was heavy.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Thanks a lot.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, good. You know what I mean? Or
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: like a crime drama series.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Really good soap opera.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Really good. I mean, the intensity. I'm saying it was great.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: It was one of the best scenes I've ever seen. Oh, thanks.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I really hate, I loathe fathers who abandon
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: their children. Just it's.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: You personally have always felt that way.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I just want to grab them and throw them
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: back in and say, get to work.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: You know, I, I hate it. It ruins kids. It's just,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I just hate it.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That was an easy scene for me.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, good. Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: That was real.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: That wasn't Rob Estes that I was acting with. That
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: was somebody else.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Well, it showed. Oh, okay. It showed. But between Lane
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: and Mrs. Kim, yeah, I guess it's the tradition.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I think it's incredibly, it's almost cruel that she has
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: this border in her house and she's treating her like
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: her own daughter. It just shows me how nutty Mrs.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Kim is. I mean, how needy. She is right. She's alone.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: She feels alone. She feels the loss of lane. So she,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: she rents out her room, but why does she rent
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: out her room? She doesn't need the money. Right.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Well, she got the foreign exchange student and she got
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: a foreign exchange student and that's, you know, to have somebody's.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: I really felt bad. I felt so bad for lane.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I really, it's just what a, what a thing to
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: do to your own daughter. Yeah. Again, My love for Mrs.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Kim went way down when she tossed her daughter. I just, wow. Oh, yeah.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: But you got to look at the tradition.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Ah, that's your kid.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you look at Emily, how she
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: brought up Lorelai, and Lorelai got pregnant at 16, and
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: she didn't throw her out of the house, but look
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: at their relationship from then on.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I think Mrs. Kim and Emily, you know, you got
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: to put them in the same category. They're just a
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: couple of lunatics. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Aunt June goes
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: to Lane's and drops off the mail and proposes tea
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: time with Mrs. Kim. Mrs. Kim comes over with Zach
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: and Brian in a tie. She's surprised she lives with boys.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Yes. Kind of in a rundown place. I mean, the
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: place is kind of rundown, you know.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't fun being in that place, was it?
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: That was a depressing space.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: And she runs out and into Lorelai at the wedding
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: and is freaking out. She calms her down and tells
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: her to think of Zach and Brian as girls.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Think of them as girls. They're just her best friends.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Which isn't much of a stretch, really. Mrs. Kim comes
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: back to demand to fix the window and light And
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: she has to. All right. So she's coming around. She's
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: accepting this a little bit, isn't she? Mrs. Kemp.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes. Well, doesn't her aunt show up?
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: The aunt comes in and says, this is your mail from, yeah,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: from your mom. And Lane says, do you want to
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: come in? No. Turns around and goes away. And then Mrs.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Kim comes back and softens a little bit. Yeah.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right. Well, you know, her mother's coming around
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: a little bit. New chapter here. With Lane and Mrs. Kent,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: what do you think? This is the beginning of their
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: new understanding.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Finding respect. for her daughter a little bit yeah.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Mrs kim is starting to accept maybe you know the
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: contemporary situation that her daughter is in and and that
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: it's she she's going to be fine you know yeah
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: i think uh uh hopefully she'll come around. Maybe it
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: shows in the next season, their new relationship. I have
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: to watch it.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right. All right. Now we're going to get
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: into Rory's love life. Um, And it's really a place
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: that I don't belong. So if you just want to
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: take over here. No, I'm just kidding. It's the end
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: of the school year.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: The guideline.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: And Rory's moving out of her dorm room. And the
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: roommates point out that Rory has had a dry spell
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: with boyfriends.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Well, she hasn't really. But during college, within the college,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: she has.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right. So at Friday night dinner, Emily asked Rory,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: about her love life, and Lorelai points out that she
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: is playing different music and Richard is out of town.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: She's trying to get Emily to fess up about the separation.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: You know, that's one thing I didn't get. Before, we
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: learned that Emily went to a hotel, we think. That's
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: where she was staying. And then Friday night dinner, she's
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: there and Richard's gone. So I was like, wait a minute,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I thought she was gone. And then Lorelai starts asking
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: her about trying to drop some hints, like find out
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: what's going on and says things like, well, dad doesn't
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: like chicken Kiev and dad doesn't like raspberry souffle. What,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: what is she trying to find out? I wasn't clear on,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know she's trying to find out if
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: they separated, but how, how are those questions related to that?
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Because she's, because she's eating food. He clearly doesn't like,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: and that she does. And that now that he's staying
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: somewhere else, because that's her house, right?
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I think they must have had such a horrible fight
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: that she walked out and got a hotel. Because why
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: wouldn't he? It's, you know, that's on the guy.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: In those situations. Yeah. She.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: She walked out when she found out he was suing Jason.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: She said, you don't have to do that. And he said, yes,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I do. And she said, fine. And she turned and left.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: And the next thing you see her is when her
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: car's in the driveway and her car's never normally in
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: the driveway.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: But I don't think it's that. I think that's the
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: straw that broke the camel's back. I think it's Pendle
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: and Lott and his secret lunches with her over a
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: 30-year span. Right. And Emily just feeling like, do I
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: really know this guy?
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: You know? There's a side to him that she needed
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: to get away from for a little while.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: True, true.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: And try to figure it out.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: That was a little deceiving, the Penn and Lott lunches.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I was surprised. Oh, that hit hard. That's a big deal. Yeah. Wow. Wow, wow, wow.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Can you blame him?
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Can you blame him, though? I mean, it was just friends.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but still.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: It's like me and Dan having lunch, you know?
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know about that one I think going behind
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: her back for 30 years like that having private conversations
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: keeping that flame alive a little bit they're not business
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: partners they're not discussing business why are they together why
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: are they having lunch why It's not related to his business.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: It's just completely emotional. Yeah.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: So back to Rory's.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: But I understand it because Emily's, you know, she's not
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: easy to live with, is she? No. I mean, I
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: know what Lorelai went through. Imagine what Richard went through. Yeah.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: But then again, you know, there's Trixie and what poor
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Emily had to go through with her. Anyway. All right.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: So Emily surprises Rory. with Graham Sullivan, a friend from
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: the alumni committees. He's a friend, alumni committee son. And
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: he invites her out at the bar. Rory says, one
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: of the funniest dates, Rory's sitting there alone with Graham.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: And Graham's with his friends talking about sports. He tells
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: her he's got to light. She's got to lighten up.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: She wants to leave, but realize she doesn't have a cab. money,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: so she calls someone. Dean shows up. Dean shows up.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Orders on Graham's tab. You gotta love that. Dean.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: They left their card at the bar. That's right. From
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: the minute he walked into Rory's dorm room, Emily introduced them,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: and I thought, I can just tell by the way
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: this guy combs his hair.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: That is a good application of that word. Yes, for sure.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: It is reserved for just such characters.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: And the fact that at the bar, there was a
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: drunk guy and Roy said, is he the designated driver?
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: And he goes, oh yeah, but he can drive drunk
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: or something. Yeah, I'm good.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: And there was no.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Uber back then. It's not like she could call an Uber.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Nope. Not that you'd even want to. All right, so
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Dean gets a tour of the campus. Rory gives him
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: a tour of the campus. Yeah. And while Dean is
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: saying goodbye to Rory, she asks if Lindsay knows where
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: he is. Right.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: He said he's working.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: So maybe Rory's turning, it's like a junior member of
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: the Pendle and Lott Society. Then Jess shows up and
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Rory asks to leave.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Boy, that was an uncomfortable scene. Really uncomfortable. I mean,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: because she hasn't seen Jess in so long. She's got
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: this weird thing going on with Dean. She's being respectful
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: of the marriage as up to this point. And now
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: she's got both of them there. How uncomfortable. But she
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: tells Dean to leave. And eventually she tells Jess to leave.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: But Dean's like, oh, I get it. You're choosing him.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I just told my wife I was working and you're
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: choosing him.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Fine.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I'm out of here.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: What an upstanding guy. I just lied to my wife
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: to be here. How dare you? Yeah. Oh my God.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I have to say I did. When Jess told her
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: in the season before the final episode of season three,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: he came back and said, I love you. I thought
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: that was, finally him opening up and now he's reading
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: the book. So he's finally able to express his feelings.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's been repressed for his whole life because
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: of the way he was, you know, his father and mother, Liz,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: being a pretty girl. So I liked the fact that
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: he was like, come away with me, this and that.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: But it was like, hold on. I'm going to school.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: I'm not leaving Stars Hollow. But I did find the
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: opening of him sort of, uh, I mean, I liked, I, I,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: it made me feel for him.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: He just needs to be saved.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: So you did do a little bit of a good job.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: You finally, at the end there, you, you, you brought
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: him around.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But he's, he's so off his rocker still, you know? Yeah.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: It's just, it's just all about him, him, him, what
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: he needs, what he needs, what he needs. He's, He's
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: not in a position to give to anybody. He's a,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: he's a taker right now. He's just a taker. Yeah.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Cause I mean, asking her to leave school and come,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: come with me. It's like, what are you, Jess, what
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: are you doing? Yeah. What are you doing?
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: I just think that was his way of letting her
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: know how he feels. Let's move away together and go,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: we'll go to New York. We'll go here. Let her know.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: I want to be with you. That's basically what he
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: was saying is I want to be with you.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Everybody else in the world is my enemy, except you.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: And I want to be with you, but I, we
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: need to take, we need, you need to drop out
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: of Yale. Yeah. To do it. Yeah. No, thanks. No, thanks.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: I have to tell you, I don't even know who
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: she ends up with in the coming seasons. So don't
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: spoil it for me.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Cause I'm going to, I won't. I won't. All right.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Julie. Do you think because
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Roy was being told she's had a dry spell year
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: when it comes to boyfriends, that she is thinking back
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: to Dean was, calling him at the bar, just an excuse.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I don't think that had anything to do with the
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: dry spell. Uh, uh, somebody saying that to her, I
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: think she was just desperate and didn't know who to call.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Right. Like, cause Dean's firmly in the friend zone now. Right.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: And she had just saw him recently. So there, there,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: I think she felt comfortable enough to call a friend
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: to come and pick her up. Not, not anything to
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: do with, uh, a love interest, even though she has
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: feelings for him. I think she's respecting the marriage it's just.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Right and I don't think we need to answer the
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: question as to why we think she firmly said no
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: to Jess I mean it was obvious he's not thinking clearly.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Well she doesn't trust him after doing what he did right.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: And he's in desperation mode. So it's like, yeah, she's not,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: you know, he's not, she's not feeling particularly safe at
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: this moment.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: It came out of nowhere.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: His request.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You don't want to do that.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: No.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: All right. So poor Jess, right. He tried to follow
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the book, the workbook, but it backfired.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Don't blame the book.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Do you think he's changed or do you think he's
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: just going to revert back to his old ways?
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: I think he's changing. I think that book is helping him.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, books do help.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, books and tapes do help.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: It's got to be a combination. All right, overall, pretty
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: great episode, don't you think?
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: A lot of stuff happened in that episode, yes.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of stuff. Yeah.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: And, you know, Liz and I, Kathleen, we became friends afterwards.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: And we hung out and walked our dogs together. And
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: we both lived in Sherman Oaks for years.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, cool.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: I've moved to the East Coast.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, have you really? Yeah. Where are you? What part?
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Atlanta.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Atlanta?
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: So I can work in New York. I can work
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: in the whole Southeast. I can work in LA. So, yeah.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Wow. Great city.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was born and raised in the Valley and
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: went to Catholic school for 12 years in the Valley.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: And I was there until a couple of years ago
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: and then up and moved here and hit the ground running.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I surprisingly had some of the best sushi I have
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: ever had in Atlanta.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a place outside the city. And, you know,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: trying to get there in a cab on a Saturday
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: night was impossible to get out of. you know, center city.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: And so I just got out and started walking, but
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: it was a couple of miles out. I got another cab,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: but it was like, you can't get out of, you
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: can't get out of the city.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Traffic here is worse than LA.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, much worse.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: I had no idea.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. My goodness. But what a great town
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: other than that.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: If you have a skateboard or a bicycle, you'd be
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: better off.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: They have golf carts. Oh, there's golf carts paths in
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: this town next to me and nobody drives a car.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: It's all golf carts going through the forest where you
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: see deers and bunny rabbits and foxes. And then you
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: end up at target, but you're in, in the, uh,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: in your golf cart in the forest.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's great.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: It's really cool.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: That's really great.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I have, I have, uh, I grew up with, uh, these, these,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: these guys, uh, cross street from us and, and, One
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: of them is in that area, I think, that you're
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: talking about.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: We won't say where it is, but I think I
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. Anyway. All right. So, Julie,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: great having you on. Please come back.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: I want to tell you something real quick. You know
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: when you were talking about the fact that you were
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: teaching your acting and you just kind of gave up
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: on everything else because it was just frustrating and then
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: you booked Gilmore Girls?
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: I was in the same boat. In 2003, after I
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: did the movie with Sean... I couldn't get a job.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I didn't have auditions. And I went after I was
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: a child actor. I started at nine after I finally said, okay,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: I'm done.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: I'm done.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: And I let it go. And I'm a keyboard player.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: So I started a rock band. I started an all
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: female eighties cover band. And I focused on that. And
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: as soon as I started booking gigs, I started getting
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: auditions and I booked Gilmore girls and we had booked
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: a gig the night we were shooting that night scene
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: and And I thought, my world's collided.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: What do I do?
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: And I thought, well, of course, I'm going to choose
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: my acting. That's been my passion since I was a kid.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: So I canceled the gig. The band broke up.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: But I've been doing music since 2003. I've been in
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: tribute and cover bands all over LA. And now here
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: in Atlanta.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: That's fun.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: I know you're a musician as well.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah. You know, the same thing happened to me.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: I was teaching at that time. I was super busy,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: but I was also pursuing, I was doing a lot
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: of open mic nights in LA and playing my original songs.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: And sometimes they were well-received and sometimes they were not.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: And so I was, I finally started booking some paying gigs,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: you know, and like, coffee shops or cafes or whatever
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: it was. And I couldn't believe it. And I thought, yeah,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: things are really happening now. And that's when Gilmore Girls
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: came along. That's when the audition came along. Well, it
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: was pilot season. But a lot of auditions started happening
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: at that time. And I had to cancel gigs to go.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine my little tiny gigs, right? That were
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: going to pay me 50 bucks or whatever that I
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: was going to, that I was going to go to
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Toronto and shoot the Gilmore pilot. And I like, I
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: was like, I was like weighing it. Should I do
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: the job or should I keep the gigs? And it's like, idiot,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: you know, come on.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: See, that's a lesson right there. You let go of
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: something that you're squeezing onto and you go, screw you.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: I'm going over in this direction. And then it's like,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: When your career goes, hold on, come back. We're not
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: done with you yet.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: So what do you, do you, do you sing in
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: the band? Are you the lead singer? No, no, no, no.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: I'm a keyboard player and I do backup vocals in
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: some leads songs, but yeah, that's great. Yeah.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I, uh, I just finished a tour, uh, with
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: my band.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: We did a nice little tour.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Let me know when you come to Atlanta.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, we didn't go to the South. It
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: was California and then the Northeast. A little bit Midwest, yeah.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: But we didn't hit the South. So we're talking about
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: another go at it.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of music venues here.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know. Yeah. Anyway, all right. Thanks, Julie.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: All the best. We'll see you next time. And remember,
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• 46:06
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