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Is Bitcoin Lightning Network at Risk of Being Shutdown? | EP 581 · Simply Bitcoin

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Yo, today is September, 19th. 20:22, welcome to Simply Bitcoin
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It is Monday after, all right? Now after there has to be some
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good news on Monday but we're going to cover more of a lot of
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the reports that were released last week.
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By the way, how we could not get through them all and how
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We're also going to talk about where The majority of lightning
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Whatnot. And there's no better plate.
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There's no better person to talk about this with then.
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The man, the myth, the legend he was originally with Opti and
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Bitcoin kindergarten the original Bitcoin, card Bitcoin,
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Just a fur, and Opti gesture for now is Founder of a lightning
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company called am boss. Are you doing Justin fur?
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Doing great. Thanks so much for having me.
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Happy to have you on the show brother, long time.
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No. See and of course, my legendary
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co-host. He's always optimistic Optimus
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Fields. How you doing?
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Well, I'm doing good Nikka gesture for what's up, man.
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I think of the visit, I think the big news is Nico.
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Bitcoin is still a baby. Anyways, I wanted to react to
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this video that came out. Marty bent did a great job doing
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a little bit of commentary, every every kleptocrats and
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grubby politician. Fleecing the public with this
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line should be forced to resign. And of course, he's talking
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about this crazy, 60 Minutes, interview that Joe Biden did
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last night and take a look at his comments about about
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inflation. And before before I played, I
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want to preface this guys. Inflation is 100% caused by the
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government printing too much money.
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They add more money to the monetary Supply, and that makes
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you poor, and when you call them out on it, when you call out
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supposedly the most powerful man in the Free World and you want
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to see what his response is. It's absolutely disgusting.
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The question that I have for you, a non is, why did these
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people feel entitled to your work and your energy?
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I'm not talking about taxes taxes, the whole other thing?
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Taxes are at least transparent there, at least on top, right?
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You could say they're not fair. You can make good arguments
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against that but that's not what I'm talking about.
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I'm talking about the hidden tax of inflation and it should be
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making you ask a very important question.
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Why am I being forced to earn and saving the money that is
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designed to lose value? That is the most important
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question at hand, and we're going to talk a little bit about
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the report from the White House in a bit during the news
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section. And and they had the goal to
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name it the future of money. Anyways, let's check out the
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video. Let's see what Joe Biden has to
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say. As you know, last Tuesday, the
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annual inflation rate came in, at eight point, three percent
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the stock market. Nosedived, people are shocked by
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their grocery bills. What can you do better and
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faster. First of all, let's put this in
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perspective. Inflation rate.
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Month-to-month was just, uh, just an inch hardly at all.
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You're not arguing. That 8.3 is good news.
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No, I'm not saying is good news, but it was a point to where a
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point to before I It's not you write me.
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I couldn't make a sound like all of a sudden my God it went to
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8.2%. It's been the highest inflation
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rate, mr. President and 40 years, I got
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that. But guess what?
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We are. We're in a position where for
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the last several months, it hasn't spiked.
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It is just barely has been basically.
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Even they had a got that so much that they passed a bill called
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the inflation reduction act. That you know what it did, it
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writ printed more money, they're spending More money.
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They're also sending billions of dollars to Ukraine.
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How do you get that when you continue to print more money and
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that devalues everybody else's and now the other comment, it's
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slow down. No no inflation compounds, just
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because the number goes from 8.9% 298.00 sorry 98.9 28.3 does
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it mean that you're it? All that means is that the value
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of your purchasing power continues to go down.
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I mean to Used to go down, but in a much slower fashion that's
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all it means. You're still losing purchasing
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power, it's just losing purchasing power, slightly
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slower, and that compounds over time, even if inflation comes
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back down to the goal of 2%. That doesn't mean that prices
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are going to go back to where they were before.
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That just means that prices aren't going to go higher as
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fast anymore. This is political money.
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This is what you have to deal with when you're dealing.
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Dealing with Fiat currencies it's an absolute joke.
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Opt-out opt out into Bitcoin. Something that can't be debased
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and because something a can't be easily confiscated, it's an
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absolute clown show. This is Con World, we're here.
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Anyways, just for what are your thoughts, brother?
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They had it like, the, the come on, man.
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I should really be turned around on mr.
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Joe Biden. Because yeah, that was a bit
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insulting. It really did not Bulls true
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experience of this. People are honestly stranded
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disrupt Society so I would really like to see a bit more
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humility for like recognizing where we're at.
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Yeah, I mean, but but why would they it?
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They're going to get paid. Regardless is why they don't
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care, right? They have a money printer.
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Why would they care? This, this doesn't affect them,
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right Opti? What are your thoughts brother?
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Well, I'm going to kind of just Echo what just for said like
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it's amazing to see the POTUS try to like do his PR Spin and
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make it seem like oh inflation isn't as bad.
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And it's like you said me cuz you know, like inflation
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compounds on itself and you guys are getting robbed.
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There. And, and for them to try to spin
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this in like, oh, it's not that bad.
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Like, come on, man. Like it's only an inch bro.
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Relax, like I am waiting for the, it's only an inch, bro.
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Relax memes because this is just absolutely ridiculous.
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We've been saying it for a while.
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We've been trying to counter the Fudd for four months.
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Now about the gas lighting in the pr spin from Legacy Media
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telling you that we are in a recession.
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That inflation isn't bad bro. And this is just why we're a
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Bitcoin and like, this is why we're a bit coin show and this
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is Is why we tell you guys every single day to opt out with
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Bitcoin take self custody of your Bitcoin fight debasement by
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using the tools at hand which is Bitcoin like opt out of the
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madness and and this stuff doesn't really affect you and
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then you go live your life, spread the sound of money gospel
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and realize that we are here to pull people out of the Matrix
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and wake them up. It's a dirty job but someone has
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to do it because they are lying to your face.
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And they are telling you to not believe your eyes and your ears
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and Not like this aforesaid, not believe the experiences that you
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are feeling for yourself like the brain washing out there is
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on on full Full like highest levels ever.
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And you know like I've been I've been anti-political guy for a
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long time but now that I watch this stuff it's absolutely
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amazing. That people still fall for these
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narratives from Legacy Media and it's just like simple economics
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shows you that you are being robbed and inflation is theft
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and and for them to try to spin this any other way.
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Way is asinine in my opinion. So use the tools.
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Make sure people know the tools that are available and we can
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opt out of this madness. Amen, to that.
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And another comment, right. Don't fall into the political
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trap. Okay, because both political
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parties specialize in dividing and conquering.
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So while you're blaming the Republicans or why you're
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blaming the Democrats, both parties are doing the same
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thing. They're printing money of which
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steals from you. You want to change the system.
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I'm the most powerful vote you can ever make is buying earning
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mining Bitcoin and taking that Bitcoin into self.
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Custody starve. The system.
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That's how we effectuate change. Anyways, let's get to the news.
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So I'm going to tie this in with lightning.
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We're going to take advantage of the fact that we have a
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lightning Guru on the show. Have Just Fur.
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But first, this is a continuation of what we've been
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reporting the last couple of days.
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And just, just a reminder, the White House on Friday, or last
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week, they declared war on bitcoin, they made it so and we
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covered this on Saturdays episode, they made it so that,
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hey, Bitcoin mining is allowed as long as it meets these crazy
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standards that no other industry is forced to adhere by So
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they're basically trying to Stamp Out the competition
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through regulation and at the same time, they're proposing
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Central Bank, digital currencies they mentioned, none of the
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cons, they mentioned the fact that Central Bank, digital
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currencies is going to give governments amount of control
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over their people that we've never seen before in human
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history. It would give any totalitarian
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that you'd ever think in history, a wet dream, thinking
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that they could control their people.
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This much, they never mentioned any of the cons, and they
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pitched it like, this is the end-all be-all and the research
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that they used for this was also bullshit.
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Now, today, I want to cover the US Department of Treasury
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report, and the name of the report, which I find absolutely
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hilarious is called the future of money and payments.
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Nowhere in this report is Bitcoin mentioned.
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What they did mention, however, is stable coins, Central Bank,
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digital currencies and the Legacy system but they did
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mention a lot of the problems that the Legacy system has
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whether that's remittances, whether that's instantanium
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payments, all of these things of which Bitcoin solves.
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But the reason they can't propose them and this is the
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idea that I've been trying to hammer into your guys's heads
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over the last three days. Is because Bitcoin
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disintermediated them, it takes away their power to control you.
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Because remember, at the end of the day, it's peer-to-peer
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versus the old system which is person to a third-party
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intermediary like they say. And then to another person with
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the government does, because there's only a handful of
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intermediaries is that they capture those intermediator
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intermediaries and they force them to become third arms of the
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government, right? And the The bank's we have the
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famous compliance Department in the back room that no one that
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you don't hear from right. And what's that famous saying?
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Write your money in a bank is a third is a two or three,
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multisig of which you have one key.
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The government has another key in the bank has another key.
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Anyways, so this is called the future of money.
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We don't have time to go through a lot of it.
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But I did take some screenshots of some of some interesting
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passages that I would love love to talk to you guys about.
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First one says, money serves Three core functions, a unit
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Account, a medium of exchange and a store of value.
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It could be public money, primary primary a liability of
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the central bank or private money.
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A liability of a private intermediary, price Payment
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Systems transfer money, customers and businesses use
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retail payment systems for transactions that typically
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involve smaller dollar amounts Banks and other financial
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institutions use wholesale payment systems that generally
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involve larger dollar amounts. I don't know about you guys
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maybe I didn't read that correctly but nowhere, did I
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mention that I see Bitcoin know where they're right and back to
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using these vocab terms of public-private?
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What do you think is more private?
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I'm just going to ask you guys. Do you get to decide?
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Do you are you able to mine US Dollars?
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Anyone could mine Bitcoins? The issuance of Bitcoin is
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public knowledge, right? The Ledger is public.
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Does the Dollar have those features?
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Just saying. And then the other component,
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right? Which is it's basically saying,
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this is how it works, you an intermediary is necessary.
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It's kind of weird man. It's kind of weird how they and
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I think that's the signal right now, right?
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Right here. They conveniently leave out,
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right? The new paradigm shift it's not
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mentioned, right? I think that's that's some
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signal. Anyways, moving on to this one
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and then I'll get your guys thoughts.
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The central bank is at the center of the monetary system
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reflecting this position. Central bank money tends to
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underpin interbank payments and serve as the bank backbone of
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the of the broader payment system.
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In addition, the Federal Reserve provides currency and Reserve,
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balances operates payment, systems and supervises sir.
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In intermediaries that issue, private money and make payments
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even as the money and payment system.
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Involves the central bank's role in final final settlement must
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be preserved to promote economic growth efficiency, and other
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public interest. The central bank's role and
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final settlement must be preserved to promote economic
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growth efficiency. And other public interest, I
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call bullshit, just refer, what are your thoughts?
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Yeah, they're doing a phenomenal job of it right now.
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So yeah if they just continue on their path I think
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decentralisation is in. Yeah.
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The presence of all of the Central Oils on there was a
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pretty key indicator and yeah Bitcoin has next to no downtime.
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So we'll continue operating no matter what mining blocks and
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processing transactions and doing all that.
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Final settlement without them after you.
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What are your thoughts? Brother on that last statement?
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Yeah, I mean first and foremost obviously opt out with Bitcoin I
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really like what BTC pinch said in the chat you said good get my
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name, get my monies name out of your mouth.
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So he's just countering the meme but I'm reminded of the Bitcoin
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white paper where it talks about minimizing trust and now we have
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those who were supposed to trust with our money.
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Keep telling us to trust us, bro.
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Come on. Bro, like we're trustworthy
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citizen, we're here to protect you.
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Like we are the official, you know, Ministry of Truth and we
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will tell you what where the future of money goes and one
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second my roommates dogs freaking out but and it just
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goes it just goes further to the point of you know like this is
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why we Bitcoin is because those people that we were supposed to
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trust have abused our trust to such an extent that they're just
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no longer trustworthy, you just opt out with Bitcoin and of
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course, they're never Going to mention Bitcoin.
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Once Nico told me the idea is like the the sauce is in the
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idea of them, not acknowledging Bitcoin.
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And once you realize the fact that they are omitting Bitcoin,
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it shows you where there where their biases.
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So of course they're not going to mention Bitcoin as the future
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of payment because it would expose the game.
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So it's just it's once you understand like what's going on,
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it's very obvious where their biases are and Why they don't
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compare Bitcoin in in a in the fairlight because Bitcoin
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exposes their incentives but furthermore Bitcoin exposes the
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problems of the Legacy system and it once you compare them
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back like side to side anyone with a free mind anyone that can
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think still will realize that Bitcoin is the better system.
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So amen. They got to hide Bitcoin.
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They got a hot dude. They don't even mention it.
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They have the gall to release a paper called the future of
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money. And then even mentioned They
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mentioned stable coins. Anyway, Central bank's Legacy
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Financial system providers and new entrants to financial
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services are creating new ways for payments across borders.
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The Federal Reserve has linked the u.s.
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ACH system with local systems. Local settlement systems in
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Canada, the Eurozone, the United Kingdom, Mexico Panama, allowing
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consumers, and businesses to transfer funds directly from
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u.s. bank accounts. The bank accounts in these
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countries Financial technology, Bitcoin, already fixes this, it
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does that better and cheaper. /. Right, look at what happened.
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With Jack mahler's. I mean, with the with the Jack
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mahler's initially going to El Salvador and then nine buchelli
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decide to do it with the chivo up and not even using Bitcoin,
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you just using Bitcoin the network, they're able to
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facilitate through the lightning Network.
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Facilitate cheap remittance payments Pennies on the dollar
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significantly cheaper than Western Union.
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So there's already a solution in place.
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The problem they don't, the reason they don't mention that.
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Is because it disintermediated them.
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So this is a government that supposed to is supposed to be by
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the people for the people. This is clearly a government by
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the government for the government and even if it means
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ignoring something that will make the lives of its citizens
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significantly better, they will do it with their eyes closed.
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And this is what we mean by Bitcoin exposes all incentives.
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So goes on to say Financial technology companies are
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increasingly entering the cross-border payments space,
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particularly for peer-to-peer payments for example.
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Which is kind of confusing if it's peer-to-peer.
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Why is there a technology company involved?
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For example, Financial technology companies are
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entering the remittance Market allowing consumer, consumers, to
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fund mobile while its own online, with their bank
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accounts, credit for debit cards and send money directly to
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foreign mobile wallets. However, these providers often
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must rely on a correspondent bank for settlement or provide
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on us settlements in which both legs of Foreign Exchange
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transactions are settled on the books of a single Bank.
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Incumbent money. Transfer transfer operators.
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Also provide similar online services, finally, even income.
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Even when available, not all commercial Banks, offer these
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services on competitive terms or at all to retail consumers.
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In addition that total number of active correspondent, banking
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relations and active corridors has declined over the past
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decade. That's the thing, Bitcoin fixes.
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This this paper was longer than the Bitcoin white paper anyways.
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Goes on to describe intermediaries intermediaries
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money and payments. Involved intermediaries
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intermediaries like Banks. And some non Banks issue private
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forms of money and provide access to payment services.
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Anyways, it goes on to say, this is what it says for recent
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Innovations, recent Innovations and money and payments recent
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years have seen Innovations and money us retail, and wholesale
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payments, and cross-border payments.
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Some of these in divisions, build additional user
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functionality on top of existing payment systems, but to
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Innovations are more fundamental and they and therefore, may have
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farther reaching implications instant payment systems and
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stable coins. Instant payment systems are
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important. Upgrade to the current payment
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system. Stable coins is spire.
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To be a new type of money supported by a novel payment
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technology. However, stable coins presented
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greater number of risks related to their financial and
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technological characteristics. Compared to instant payments and
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other forms of money and payments making it more
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difficult to predict the impact of stable coins on the future of
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money and payments recent Innovations and money and
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payments and Bitcoin is not mentioned what the fuck man?
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What the fuck. And I think that's the signal
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right there. Anyways.
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So this is what I Wanted to bring up today.
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This is the title that I made of the video.
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And this is I want to take advantage of just infer being
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here as well, right? So clearly, the US government is
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taking a more hostile stance towards any currency that they
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can't control. Whether that is stable coins,
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whether that is Bitcoin the pretending Bitcoin doesn't exist
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in a paper called the future of money, right?
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And at the same time, they're advertising Central Bank,
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digital currencies like the end-all be-all.
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And at the same time and other papers, they were hinting
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towards using regulations to go after After digital assets right
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now, one of the things that's very troubling just for, right?
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And we criticize etherium tremendously because of this,
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right? We make the argument birdie of
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aetherium nodes are run on Amazon web services, which
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Services would makes it prone to government capture, right?
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All the, all the government has to do is knock on the door of
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Amazon. Now, if you look at the data for
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the lightning nodes, it looks like we have a similar situation
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and I want to get your thoughts on that and brother, it is a
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little bit. Troubling.
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So a large percentage is on Google Cloud for our for our
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audio listeners, 27% of lightning close.
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Likely nodes are run on Google Cloud 24% of run on Amazon.
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Digitalocean seven point eight, two percent Alibaba or hens Ali
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Luna. So it just keeps on going down
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other. I'm assuming it's independent
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and dependent. Only 15% just for does that
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worry you at all, man? Because it worries me like if
24:37
Are going to separate money from state to state.
24:39
It's going to pull out all the stops and if more than 50% of
24:42
lightning nodes are run on servers that are controlled by
24:47
large corporations, doesn't that make it easy to capture and
24:51
centered and set sensor for for government agencies?
24:58
In a way, you know, I think we could actually lose half of the
25:04
lightning Network and it would still function in much the same
25:07
way. I mean, we've lost big nodes
25:09
before that if have gone down. And I don't think anybody
25:13
noticed zero fear outing when when he goes down it the
25:18
payments still continue to flow and those those nodes are we
25:24
build in redundancy in our payment now.
25:27
Eric, it's actually quite stable, of course.
25:31
Like we do have to be prepared for big government action
25:36
saying, you know, you Cloud providers, you can't be doing
25:40
this, shut it all down and, and then we'll have a system running
25:44
on Raspberry Pi's and hobbyists which is like primarily like
25:49
those are the people that make up the network right now, it's
25:52
hobbyists and plead us and they make a functioning system that
25:56
works. Across borders and that is
25:59
highly Innovative. I understand that.
26:02
But just for according to this data from mempool, dude more
26:07
than more like 80% or run on server.
26:11
So how could you make How could you make the argument that it's
26:16
it's run by plebs if it clearly it shows that it's run by people
26:20
are using Services servers to run lightning.
26:25
Yeah it doesn't. I mean that yeah it's a mix you
26:32
can have you can have them on cloud providers or Beyond
26:37
hobbyist, Hardware. I mean either way the the system
26:41
works and you would have to shut down not only Amazon but also
26:45
Google cloud and also the individual internet service
26:48
providers and that's a whole bunch of the folks are running
26:52
on tour. So good luck finding them.
26:55
The payment system will continue to work.
26:58
So let's talk about hypotheticals right?
27:00
Let's say hypothetically tomorrow, you know, whatever
27:03
Administration by din, you know, Trump DeSantis whatever,
27:07
whatever you think right is going to be in power, five years
27:09
from now, they release an executive order and they say
27:13
lightning nodes cannot be run on the servers and the only one,
27:18
the only lighting nodes that keep going or individuals
27:20
running in on Ravis Raspberry Pi's right?
27:22
What would happen to the lightning Network?
27:27
It would, I mean, you, you may have additional hops in a
27:32
payment, the you may spend a little bit more in fees.
27:36
It may take a different route, but overall, the payment, the,
27:41
the payment is sourced routed. So, find a path to actually make
27:48
that, that payment possible. And that may involve opening
27:53
some new channels, which means like Your your coin on the
27:59
lightning network is actually becomes more valuable and you
28:02
could charge a higher price for it because now you're like the
28:06
infrastructure provider of last year.
28:08
So there's there's Market incentives for for this
28:14
lightning Network you to operate and to respond to change.
28:20
Couch. Oh we got a comment from the
28:22
audience. They say mempool, stats only
28:24
include clear, net nodes, not Tor nodes.
28:28
Comment, just a, that's a great Point.
28:31
Yeah, so I get all that's less than half of the nodes is the
28:38
statistics were looking at art. Gotcha.
28:41
So the majority of nodes are not listed on their not listed on
28:46
mempool, is that correct? So it would just be on this pie
28:54
chart statistics, showing the basically what the internet
28:59
service provider is. It wouldn't be showing the Tor
29:03
nodes because we know more than half of the nodes are running on
29:06
tour. Do you see a future where the
29:10
majority of nodes are not no longer run on servers and people
29:14
start running those themselves? Why are why do so many people
29:17
choose to run lightning nodes on servers?
29:24
Like I think a little will choose the user experience.
29:28
It's very easy to spin up a node and you wants, like, highly
29:33
reliable. We're like a lot of the hobbyist
29:37
node, they'll have local power. Outages yada yada where, which
29:44
would stop the payment system from from working there.
29:48
So it's been me and to Of the cloud provider who's like job.
29:54
It is to keep node online even though it's a bit of like a
30:00
devops learning excuse to actually upright these nodes
30:04
you. So it's a huge learning
30:07
opportunity. So I would encourage people to
30:11
actually run home nodes. Even if it's on a Raspberry Pi,
30:15
you can also run it on up top. But but yeah, give it.
30:19
Give it a try. It.
30:22
So is that, is that what you prefer is that?
30:25
Is that what you'd like? You like to see more people
30:27
running their own lightning nodes and but you are making the
30:32
argument that that isn't 100% necessary.
30:38
Yeah, I mean, I could be a bit nuanced here.
30:41
Yeah. Like both Solutions are are
30:43
fine. Of course, the the lightning
30:46
Network needs something that is censorship, but the value of
30:51
that censorship resistant liquid is, is fantastic.
30:56
I mean, when things start to go wrong like that, Heinz that will
31:03
be the infrastructure of Last Resort which would be an huge
31:07
opportunity. For the those people that are
31:11
the antifragile infrastructure. Gotcha.
31:17
So this is not a this is not as big.
31:20
It's not a it's not as big of a concern that some people voice
31:25
it on the reason I'm asking these questions just for as I
31:28
get this a lot right? This is one of the biggest
31:30
criticisms that we have of etherium Rights like look the
31:33
majority of etherium know, just kind of different because it is
31:35
the base layer but the majority of etherium nodes are Ron on
31:39
servers, right and knit at forget who posted it on Twitter
31:43
but they said so is lightning. You know?
31:45
So From your perspective, that's not that big of an issue because
31:49
people just find another solution.
31:51
They'll just reroute. Yeah, I mean we're close that
31:59
close to 18,000 nodes work. So this is like hila highly
32:06
decentralized and I think we're over all in very good shape.
32:13
Very inexpensive to run a full node whereas that is Clea
32:17
different story for aetherium. I don't know how many actual
32:21
full nodes are running on etherium. yeah, it's definitely
32:27
just a handful compared to bitcoin but anyways Opti Let's
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First and foremost, guys, go use emboss.
33:40
This is why we brought in just for, because he builds on
33:42
lightning and there's been a lot of fun going on on on bitcoin,
33:46
Twitter lately in regards to lightning and its adoption.
33:49
And we've been covering articles on, on the show about lightning
33:53
adoption. We had one from Bitcoin Magda
33:55
state of lightning, one year after El Salvador's Bitcoin
33:57
adoption, we covered nie digs in Wolf's clothing lightning
34:01
accelerator project and we haven't fully covered this but I
34:05
think we It has one of our pledge sites to learn Robo sets,
34:09
a simple private lightning peer to peer exchange.
34:11
The reason I bring all these topics up in these articles up
34:15
is because as someone that's following this news, I see it a
34:18
lot lightning is growing and I've been using lightning sense,
34:21
what 2018 when we did the lightning trust chain and it's
34:25
grown huge compared to what it used to be.
34:28
I was trying to find this one meme of like, lightning in the
34:30
past lightning in the future, but I couldn't find it.
34:32
So I'm just going to show the Explorer a sink Explorer.
34:35
Again a few more different lightning visualizers.
34:38
Just to prove to you guys. That lightning is decentralized
34:42
and it's huge and furthermore, I know, I know, I know we got
34:45
called out in the chat by shift crypto because we used the men
34:49
pulled out space lightning Explorer but I wanted to bring
34:52
up this because we covered this a couple of weeks ago in regards
34:56
to lightning network capacity going at all time.
34:59
High and so there's a nice little visualizer here but
35:02
anyways, just defer my question to you just to start this off.
35:06
Is what would you say to the people out there that are saying
35:09
that lightning is a failure in terms of adoption?
35:12
Because only a certain small percentage of people are using
35:15
lightning and there's someone that works with lightning.
35:17
I know you have so little insights on this so we'll start
35:20
with that. What is your counter to the idea
35:24
that lightning is a failure? Well I guess we could just take
35:30
a look at some of the Alternatives and let me tell you
35:34
about the wonders of the Fiat system that is actually
35:37
competing with lightning. You can go to Western Union
35:42
during their business hours from Monday to Friday, 9 a.m. to 5
35:48
p.m. so send money across borders with depending on.
35:58
So Like staying aligned and bring on all your Fiat with you,
36:03
but like dating is, is working, it works, it works quickly.
36:08
You have instant settlement. It's it's fully peer-to-peer
36:14
your system so you don't even need date the blockchain to make
36:18
an individual thing. Transact action.
36:21
It's really just talk to the other person that you share a
36:25
Channel with. That's it's a very elegant
36:27
system. Mmm, very efficient efficient.
36:32
So, so I'm I'm super bullish, tan, lightning actually six
36:36
being cheaper faster more decentralized.
36:39
So Yeah, I just have to wait until the Fiats and doing some
36:47
activation to actually maintain their standing as the as the
36:52
Private Financial will settlement rate.
36:56
I mean, I think that's what they were doing.
36:58
They were announcing that that competition.
37:00
They were announcing the FED. Now.
37:02
Are you scared of fed now? Just a Yeah, quaking in my
37:13
boots. Yeah, good.
37:16
Good luck to him because I just want other node and we can make
37:20
it through. Let's go.
37:23
Okay, this next one just a fur. I can't really zoom into it too
37:28
much because I don't know Niko's all these all Niko's fancy tools
37:32
but we can see and we mentioned in the beginning in the number
37:34
section, the lightning total capacity is around 4000 793, at
37:39
least in public nodes. And this brings me to my next
37:43
point or rather your next point because I know you're going to
37:47
you're going to counter this perfect.
37:48
But as we know, lightning is for small payments.
37:51
Hence Know why there may not be as much lightning capacity in
37:56
the public nodes compared to, you know, the shit coin.
37:59
There's like there's more, there's more, there's more
38:01
Bitcoin in rap, shit coins and there is on lightning.
38:04
That means that laid lightning is a failure.
38:06
So what would you say to people that use that as an idea that
38:11
lightning is a failure because there's only, you know, a little
38:14
under five thousand Bitcoin in capacity of the lightning
38:18
Network at least, even public capacity.
38:20
So I don't know if you want to jump into the public.
38:22
Versus private little debate. But what would you say in
38:26
regards to that just fur. Yeah, I would just look at our
38:30
ability to settle payments lighting works.
38:35
You know quite reliably it of course it has like a lot of
38:39
growing to do. I mean yeah.
38:42
It's like 60% of like lightning payments would fail like at this
38:48
stage but we're watching it. It develop.
38:52
And we do have like a whole lot of like efficiencies gains to to
38:56
actually take Image of but overall let's see.
39:02
So you can have a private channels in parallel with public
39:05
channels. You could even use liquidity
39:08
that is outside of kind of what the public sees.
39:13
What is actively gossiped all over the lightning Network so
39:18
that has like additional settlement capacity.
39:21
But but when you look at like this 90 million dollar amount of
39:26
capacity on the lightning Network as a whole.
39:28
Well, that's like, an instant settlement number.
39:30
Like that, the lightning Network itself, could instantly settle
39:35
90 million dollars. So, that is like a huge, huge
39:41
number and I don't know that anyone is actually going to be
39:47
able to like settle that amount like, but but really you could
39:51
just make it individual Bitcoin transaction.
39:53
If you really have that much to play with, it wouldn't be the
39:56
most efficient payment. But It's can split and go
39:59
through several channels. Go through several nodes.
40:03
Yeah you can you can pay it works.
40:08
Yeah, and I'm gonna have to say Becca's tweet here for those
40:14
listening cell. Phones were a failure because
40:15
there was no Mass adoption in 1989.
40:18
It sounds to me like this is what gesture for saying.
40:21
Anyways, I we did this lightning Network easy to use a couple
40:26
weeks ago with voltage. Edge.
40:28
And during the space, we were kind of saying that, you know,
40:32
I'm kind of waiting for lightning to become easier to
40:35
use in the future, because there is a certain amount of a
40:39
learning curve to use lightning. There is a, there is an amount
40:42
of how do you say like interaction manual use of your
40:47
lightning node and rebalancing and stuff.
40:50
So are you bullish on Lightning becoming easier in the future?
40:54
This just something that, you know, it's like using email,
40:57
there's a certain, there's a certain Protocol that we are
40:59
going to have to use and we're just going to have to get better
41:01
at how to use these tools. So, is it getting easier?
41:05
Just for our, we do, we have hope for the future of lightning
41:08
becoming easier for the average person out there.
41:11
It's gonna get much much easier right now.
41:14
It's like, it involves a lot of command line tools, but like,
41:17
one of the main things were working on it at am bosses just
41:21
trying to make things like very attractive and also easy to use.
41:26
So keep it sexy. And then yeah like ma'am Bulls
41:32
just like just being able to buy and sell Channel like a huge
41:37
eye-opener for a lot of people. The channels are actually get
41:41
created like exactly where they're needed, where there's
41:44
demand for it and people will pay for it.
41:48
Beautiful. All right this next one we did
41:50
talk about tour a little bit and people were saying it in the
41:53
chat and I'm glad they brought it up, but this one's not really
41:56
a Fudd Line. This is just more.
41:58
I'm trying to get your opinion on what your thoughts are on
42:00
this. And as you guys can see on the
42:02
show and for those listening, it says, Tor nodes, make the
42:05
network slow and unreliable, not Fudd.
42:07
A real problem. Sincerely everyone was stuck.
42:09
Hdl-c. So, just for what would you say
42:11
in regards to tour and lightning and you know, maybe the
42:14
possibility of a fix of this or is this just something that
42:18
we're Have to deal with. There's a couple of like
42:22
alternatives to tour but the fact that tour has been under
42:27
like a consistent DDOS attack since June is a real problem.
42:32
So I would, I would Point like tour needs some serious
42:37
Solutions and I don't know that it will be the end-all be-all
42:41
for for lightning nodes, where we may find some Alternatives.
42:47
So a lot of people are running tunnel SATs now, which gives
42:50
them Another alternative kind of like a design special for, for
42:56
lightning nodes. So to be clear gesture for this
43:00
is not a lightning problem, per se, this is a toilet problem.
43:06
Yeah, yeah, this is this is a problem and people gonna make
43:11
decisions about like whether they're going to run out or not.
43:15
But but yeah, you can have much much better performing node not
43:21
running on tour, beautiful. All right.
43:23
Well, this morning, I wanted to ask people what is the current
43:26
lightning flood needing to Bunkie and this is something
43:28
that I've heard this morning. So maybe you've heard of this.
43:31
Just for, maybe this is just someone trolling on.
43:35
Like having everyone else. L, what's the current lightning
43:37
Fudd needing to bunking and this guy goes, I've heard that almost
43:40
all the activity on lightning is just channels, rebasing a, maybe
43:44
means rebalancing with each other.
43:46
So it could be interpreted as fake or manipulated activity and
43:49
channel. Managers are getting a fee every
43:51
time that money is transferred. How can one verify?
43:54
This is this something you've heard about, just the fur is
43:57
this guy trolling me on Twitter. Man, I love it when channels
44:03
just like needlessly rebalance because I collect a fee every
44:08
single time, and you could look at the same thing for Bitcoin
44:13
blockchain. If you say, well, half of these
44:15
transactions aren't real. These are spam transactions.
44:19
Well, did they pay the fee? Like, if so, then it's not spam.
44:24
It's an actual transaction and they're paying for it.
44:27
They're paying the miners to actually process those
44:30
transactions. So if they pay the fee, it's
44:32
legit, whether it be a rebalance or not, maybe people shouldn't
44:38
be rebalancing so much, but, but they are, and if they're paying
44:42
the fee, like I don't care. That's great.
44:45
Beautiful. I'm going to ask this question,
44:47
that's in the chat is by shift crypto and they go.
44:49
What about ltp just defer I t i TP TP or ltp.
44:58
I think, you know, I'm pretty, I don't know, I don't know, enough
45:01
to come on. Yeah.
45:06
Well anyways, just for I love you, bro.
45:08
I appreciate this and just to everyone out there, man.
45:12
Maybe give some words of encouragement.
45:13
Just for sure. They'd be building on lightning.
45:15
Or should they go on to shit coin, land and play stupid
45:18
games? Take your time, it's fine.
45:23
Yeah, yeah. Don't need to compete with me to
45:25
direct payments. Yeah, there's no need dignity
45:29
and lightning just give up now. Yeah, there's nothing that we're
45:34
building up. Please ignore that.
45:38
That's AA. Really hard.
45:41
You can learn a lot. Yeah, do do the income does the
45:47
bullishness on Central Bank, digital currencies by the US
45:50
government but you have your money on lightning or cbc's.
46:00
Let's put the comedy series on Lightning.
46:02
It would Taro throw another asset on there.
46:07
We'll use the same settlement Network.
46:09
It's /. Yeah, we you can add their shift
46:12
coin to lightning that's coming soon.
46:16
So yeah. Keep your keep the old for that.
46:19
That's right. Did you hear that?
46:21
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46:24
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Yet a quarter of the people do not have a bank account.
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50:24
I'm going to give it my Harry Potter glasses.
50:26
Quote on quote, Harry Potter glasses.
50:29
This is my mean reviews. Alright, so today I'm going to
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What a throwback, what a throw by that's for thank you for
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bringing that positive memory. Okay.
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Anyways guys, right, the meme is a simply bitcoind live.
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So you got to do is put the meme in the chat and we will read it
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this know, I put I put a boy. Planet Earth on first.
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Okay, giving the these memes a bear Market, smash by very good.
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Let's go Andre says, I give it yellows because I'm not gonna
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read that VTC pins. I'm eating those memes.
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Just an inch. Ooh, I give them the opposite of
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Tina for anyone doesn't know. Bitcoin, Tina.
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Apparently sold all his Bitcoin. Interesting.
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Interesting. Z logic.
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I mean, hold on a second that and all fairness is a fair
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criticism. I thought there was no
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alternative. There is no alternative.
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What? I create a good me, but
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sometimes you can't double down on your own meme.
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Yeah, I give, I give those memes a cup of coffee, very good.
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I give these memes Justin and chewy.
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Just an inch. Alright, alright, alright, looks
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Happy Monday. Going to be a good week.
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We're going to put in the work all week and give you guys the
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We're going to have Nico Jones on the case all week guys.
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So stay around man, happy Monday.
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And we'll see you all week is gonna be a good one.
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Nico this one out, bro, let's roll it out.
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But first, I got some clarifications, we got Wags that
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says, to quote him Tina. Did not hell's his entire stack.
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Just some then Taco said, Tina, didn't sell all for the record.
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All right, thanks. Thanks guys for clarifying.
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And we missed one says, Up as fragged says, I give those
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