Latest / Crime and Horror / Tom Segura's Intrusive Thoughts
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- 0:00Speaker 1: So it wouldn't be a mister Bawlin episode if I
- 0:02Speaker 1: didn't tell you a story.
- 0:03Speaker 2: Yes, this story isn't really on the internet.
- 0:06Speaker 1: You have to write them a letter to get access
- 0:08Speaker 1: to this story.
- 0:09Speaker 3: You set up like a Bond story.
- 0:11Speaker 4: I had to like request access through headquarters, dude, to
- 0:15Speaker 4: hear a story.
- 0:16Speaker 3: I don't know where this's going to go. It's good,
- 0:18Speaker 3: but I'm in dude.
- 0:19Speaker 1: Those stories become fully realized in bad thoughts. But it
- 0:22Speaker 1: seems like you at least had some concepts early.
- 0:24Speaker 3: So some of them have been sent with me for
- 0:26Speaker 3: a while. In part two where he's like, we need
- 0:29Speaker 3: to sit on that toilet together, the reason that that
- 0:31Speaker 3: even exists is I've always loved upsetting my mother, right,
- 0:35Speaker 3: and I know there's things that she doesn't want to
- 0:39Speaker 3: ever talk about.
- 0:40Speaker 2: Right. It's so good.
- 0:41Speaker 1: He wakes up in the cockpit, has no idea how
- 0:43Speaker 1: long he's been asleep for.
- 0:44Speaker 2: Could have been a.
- 0:45Speaker 1: Second, could have been days, but he's immediately shocked that,
- 0:47Speaker 1: holy cow, I did not crash the plane.
- 0:50Speaker 3: That's a great story, all right.
- 0:53Speaker 1: Today is a very special episode. I'm actually trying out
- 0:56Speaker 1: a brand new format. But don't worry, it is not
- 0:59Speaker 1: an replace of core Mister Ballin content. This is in
- 1:02Speaker 1: addition to so we're calling it Storytime with Mister Ballin,
- 1:05Speaker 1: and I'm going to be interviewing a guest. I've never
- 1:08Speaker 1: done that before on any of my shows. This is
- 1:11Speaker 1: the first of its kind, and it's going to be
- 1:13Speaker 1: really good. We're going to look at the art of storytelling,
- 1:16Speaker 1: how my guest employees storytelling. We're going to tell some stories,
- 1:20Speaker 1: because of course it wouldn't be a Mister Ballin production
- 1:23Speaker 1: if there wasn't actual storytelling. And in fact, I'm going
- 1:26Speaker 1: to be telling a story that I've never shared anywhere.
- 1:29Speaker 1: It's a really good story. So that's going to happen
- 1:30Speaker 1: today too. And our guest is incredible. He's got movies
- 1:35Speaker 1: coming out, he's doing stand up specials left and right.
- 1:38Speaker 1: He also happens to be a fan of the strange,
- 1:40Speaker 1: dark and mysterious, and I'm really excited to talk to
- 1:43Speaker 1: him about the art of storytelling, swapping some stories and
- 1:47Speaker 1: just seeing.
- 1:47Speaker 2: What he's all about.
- 1:48Speaker 1: So, without further ado, let's get into today's stories.
- 2:07Speaker 3: This is Storytime with mister Balin. I'm Tom Segura.
- 2:13Speaker 2: Tom.
- 2:13Speaker 1: Welcome to Storytime with mister Balin, thank you, thank you
- 2:16Speaker 1: for being on the show. And for those who somehow
- 2:18Speaker 1: don't know who Tom Sgurr is, you are arguably one
- 2:21Speaker 1: of the hottest comedians both physically and career wise in
- 2:26Speaker 1: the game. Yep, you are acting, producing, directing. You are
- 2:31Speaker 1: seriously everywhere right now.
- 2:33Speaker 2: And one of the things that.
- 2:34Speaker 1: I noticed about your sort of performance across mediums is
- 2:38Speaker 1: that you really are like a remarkably good storyteller.
- 2:40Speaker 3: Oh thanks man.
- 2:41Speaker 1: You really have like nailed the art of storytelling, even
- 2:44Speaker 1: though oftentimes when you tell stories it's sort of it
- 2:47Speaker 1: seems sort of effortless.
- 2:48Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, is that were you.
- 2:50Speaker 1: Ever sort of intentional about like threading being a storyteller
- 2:54Speaker 1: into your work.
- 2:54Speaker 3: I love storytelling. I've always loved storytelling. I've always been
- 2:59Speaker 3: like very hyper observant of good storytellers.
- 3:02Speaker 2: Ye.
- 3:03Speaker 3: My mom is like an amazing natural storyteller, Like she
- 3:07Speaker 3: has all all the gifts that you need for great storytelling.
- 3:12Speaker 3: And my dad was as bad as you can get
- 3:15Speaker 3: at telling a story, like the single worst storyteller. A
- 3:19Speaker 3: toddler tells better stories. And so, like you, I think
- 3:23Speaker 3: it actually helped to be like, oh shit, that's really
- 3:26Speaker 3: good and like, god, that was so bad. He would
- 3:29Speaker 3: be like it was in the store, and then the
- 3:33Speaker 3: guy he punched the guy, so cops are there and
- 3:36Speaker 3: you're like, wait, where what happened? And like her version
- 3:39Speaker 3: of that story would be like there was one hundred
- 3:44Speaker 3: people in line, which you know is an exaggeration, but
- 3:46Speaker 3: like that's part of storytelling, right, where to punch something up.
- 3:50Speaker 3: And she's like, and it was hot, and this man
- 3:53Speaker 3: walked in and he looked dirty. His head was hanging,
- 3:56Speaker 3: so she's like painting a picture and you're like yeah.
- 3:59Speaker 3: And then the other guy he said move and you're
- 4:02Speaker 3: telling to my dad, You're like, what about Oh yeah,
- 4:04Speaker 3: that guy. You're like, that's that's the main guy of
- 4:07Speaker 3: the story. Missed you. You don't have any think about
- 4:10Speaker 3: oh yeah yeah, and then he can all right, he's dirty.
- 4:13Speaker 3: It's like just none of it, like none of the information,
- 4:16Speaker 3: leaving out all the key information. Whereas she was like
- 4:20Speaker 3: a naturally dramatic storyteller, heightening parts of the story, drawing
- 4:25Speaker 3: you in telling like adding color right, and then like
- 4:29Speaker 3: knowing when to pull the pin on the whole, like
- 4:32Speaker 3: just like natural. What you realize is like when you're
- 4:36Speaker 3: a like beginning as a comic telling stories is actually
- 4:41Speaker 3: it's kind of advanced to get people to come along
- 4:45Speaker 3: on a story. It's it's it you don't see like
- 4:48Speaker 3: year one, year two comics like oh he's a great storyteller.
- 4:52Speaker 3: It's it's short for him. It's like because you're also
- 4:54Speaker 3: you're just not. You can't manufacture being a comfortable comic.
- 4:59Speaker 3: It ha That is because you've done it thousands of
- 5:01Speaker 3: times and you have to have a level of comfortability
- 5:06Speaker 3: to be like, I'm gonna tell you stories.
- 5:08Speaker 1: So do you have like either a favorite or a
- 5:11Speaker 1: go to story that you would use on stage it's
- 5:14Speaker 1: a joke, but like a story that you love to tell.
- 5:17Speaker 3: Probably the lost wallet story, because that's a true story.
- 5:20Speaker 3: It's about a guy named Justin Right, a guy who
- 5:23Speaker 3: lost his wallet in a cab. And the story is
- 5:27Speaker 3: that I'm sharing the cab with a woman and she
- 5:31Speaker 3: finds the wallet in between us asks of its mine.
- 5:35Speaker 3: I say it's not, and she's gonna give it to
- 5:36Speaker 3: the driver, and I go, no, give it to me,
- 5:39Speaker 3: I'll give it back to its rightful owner. And all
- 5:41Speaker 3: this happened. I mean, this was in Adams Morgan and
- 5:43Speaker 3: DC and then I took it upon myself that I'm
- 5:45Speaker 3: going to return this wallet to its owner, like this
- 5:48Speaker 3: righteous kind of feel good, do the right thing path
- 5:51Speaker 3: that I'm gonna and I announced it. So now I
- 5:53Speaker 3: feel even more obligated. And I went through a number
- 5:58Speaker 3: like I put a lot of time into getting this
- 6:00Speaker 3: wallet back to this guy. I do call a bunch
- 6:04Speaker 3: of places. I use all the information I can find
- 6:06Speaker 3: in it. The only person I get ahold of is
- 6:08Speaker 3: this guy's father, Justin's dad. And when I tell him
- 6:11Speaker 3: I have the wallet, he's just like he's not gonna
- 6:15Speaker 3: amount to anything like what He's like, he's a piece
- 6:18Speaker 3: of shit. And I go, okay, can I give you
- 6:21Speaker 3: the wall? And he hung up the phone. And so
- 6:23Speaker 3: that was like this kind of crazy, you know, closure
- 6:27Speaker 3: to this of like the guy's being like, my son sucks.
- 6:31Speaker 3: And then a long while later, I'm at I mean,
- 6:35Speaker 3: I still remember it quite vividly. I'm at a lunch
- 6:39Speaker 3: place on M Street in Georgetown and I'm with my
- 6:43Speaker 3: cousin and we sat down and we're just looking over
- 6:47Speaker 3: the menu, catching up, and the waiter walks up and
- 6:50Speaker 3: I go Justin, He's like, how do you know my name?
- 6:53Speaker 3: And I go, dude, I have your wallet, and he's like,
- 6:56Speaker 3: do you have it on you? I go, I don't
- 6:57Speaker 3: walk around with your fucking wallet. No, I have my wall,
- 7:00Speaker 3: but I actually have your wallet. And he was like, oh, cool,
- 7:06Speaker 3: you wanted something to drink. And I'm like, that's all
- 7:08Speaker 3: you're gonna say about this, dude, like like I found
- 7:11Speaker 3: your wallet in a cab in Washington, DC. Like it
- 7:15Speaker 3: makes me crazy when somebody's reaction to something is like it.
- 7:21Speaker 3: And so I ended up telling him to come meet me,
- 7:25Speaker 3: and he came to the door and I was like expecting,
- 7:29Speaker 3: like now we're gonna connect. I gave him the wallet
- 7:33Speaker 3: and he was like cool, thanks, and then he turned
- 7:36Speaker 3: around and walked away, and I was like, you're a
- 7:38Speaker 3: dad's right, Like you're a piece of shit, and I
- 7:39Speaker 3: shut the door.
- 7:40Speaker 1: It's funny, Like so even just now, like the way
- 7:43Speaker 1: you tell a story is you understand that there are
- 7:45Speaker 1: aspects of the story that I need to appreciate the context, yes,
- 7:49Speaker 1: so that the story matters, and so like that you
- 7:52Speaker 1: just you turned it into.
- 7:53Speaker 3: Like context is like the biggest thing of joke telling too.
- 7:56Speaker 3: Sometimes like you watch I watch comedians that you go like, man,
- 8:00Speaker 3: that's really funny. Why isn't that working? Like, why doesn't
- 8:03Speaker 3: it work? Because not that it's not funny? And you
- 8:07Speaker 3: go like, oh, you haven't. You need to convey more
- 8:09Speaker 3: information at the top, at the setup for that observation
- 8:16Speaker 3: and joke to work, Like they don't understand what the
- 8:20Speaker 3: joke is about. Yet the only reason you don't know
- 8:23Speaker 3: the joke is about is because you haven't set it
- 8:26Speaker 3: up clearly, like you need context for it to be funny.
- 8:31Speaker 1: I got to ask you, dude, like how are you
- 8:33Speaker 1: able to do all of these things? I mean right
- 8:36Speaker 1: now you're doing stand up specials on Netflix, Like I
- 8:40Speaker 1: have a thousand of those. You have your amazing new
- 8:43Speaker 1: show Bad Thoughts. It's this incredible sketch comedy show on Netflix.
- 8:48Speaker 1: And the way I would describe it is like it
- 8:51Speaker 1: starts one way, each of these sketches, Yeah, and it's
- 8:54Speaker 1: beautiful cinematography, and you have a sense of where it's
- 8:58Speaker 1: going to go, right, and then it just takes the
- 9:01Speaker 1: most ridiculous detour into just just crazy territory. And it
- 9:06Speaker 1: reminds me of there's this story by Edgar Allan Poe
- 9:09Speaker 1: called The Imp of the Perverse, and I'm not going
- 9:11Speaker 1: to get into it, but the gist of the story
- 9:13Speaker 1: is like he writes about this guy who he commits murder.
- 9:16Speaker 2: It's a fictional story.
- 9:17Speaker 1: It's this guy he commits murder and he gets away
- 9:19Speaker 1: with it, and he can't believe he's gotten away with murder,
- 9:21Speaker 1: and so he becomes obsessed with this idea that like
- 9:24Speaker 1: he got away with it, to the point where he's like,
- 9:27Speaker 1: I got to tell someone I got away with murder.
- 9:29Speaker 1: And he begins talking about it and he eventually gets
- 9:31Speaker 1: himself caught and he gets executed. And it's like this
- 9:34Speaker 1: notion from that story that we all have these like
- 9:37Speaker 1: thoughts that are self destructive, that like, you're standing on
- 9:40Speaker 1: the edge of a building and your fear is not
- 9:42Speaker 1: that you'll fall, it's that you might jump. And I
- 9:44Speaker 1: feel like your show bad thoughts. It sort of encapsulates
- 9:48Speaker 1: like the worst intrusive bad thought that somebody in that
- 9:51Speaker 1: scene could act on, and they do, and it just
- 9:55Speaker 1: chase it to this extreme level, like how are you
- 9:57Speaker 1: coming up with these stories?
- 9:59Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you very much much for that. I
- 10:01Speaker 3: do appreciate it. I've always felt this thing, and I
- 10:06Speaker 3: think it's part of the release that you feel in
- 10:09Speaker 3: comedy right when you go to it. A lot of
- 10:12Speaker 3: times you go to a show and the big thing
- 10:14Speaker 3: is people go, well, what is it about. It's like, well,
- 10:17Speaker 3: he says the thing that we all want to say, right,
- 10:20Speaker 3: like or the comedian does in some way, and that's
- 10:23Speaker 3: like such a release for an audience that like they're
- 10:25Speaker 3: saying it, they're saying the thoughts. And I've always felt
- 10:32Speaker 3: like that thing that I know, I feel that human
- 10:36Speaker 3: beings we all have dark thoughts, bad thoughts, right, And
- 10:43Speaker 3: part of it is like on an individual basis, part
- 10:46Speaker 3: of a societal norms where you just you have your thought,
- 10:50Speaker 3: but you don't act on it, right, I mean, and
- 10:53Speaker 3: then you just try to like process and then you know,
- 10:57Speaker 3: social media, I think is this great example of like, oh,
- 11:01Speaker 3: these are things that nobody will say to your face, right,
- 11:04Speaker 3: but it's like this permission to like and let it.
- 11:06Speaker 3: And it's probably it's a release for people to be
- 11:09Speaker 3: able to be like I fuck hate you like cool,
- 11:13Speaker 3: it's really cool because they'll never say it to you, right.
- 11:16Speaker 3: And so in like in coming up with these stories,
- 11:19Speaker 3: it's like, you know, the coffee shop one, yeah, was
- 11:24Speaker 3: one of the was the first thing we shot a
- 11:28Speaker 3: few years back. I actually filmed a few of the
- 11:31Speaker 3: stories a few years That's how I got the show.
- 11:33Speaker 3: And so coffee shop one was one of the original
- 11:37Speaker 3: ones we filmed before we had a series. And so,
- 11:40Speaker 3: but that is like an example of it's like wish
- 11:44Speaker 3: everyone has had a bad retail experience right where you're like,
- 11:49Speaker 3: I want kill this person. And then it was like, well,
- 11:52Speaker 3: why don't we just make that Like yeah, why don't
- 11:54Speaker 3: we have the person deserve you know, backlash in some
- 11:58Speaker 3: way and just take over the top. So we just
- 12:01Speaker 3: like went to an extreme place, and it's the one
- 12:04Speaker 3: that got the by far, I think the biggest reaction
- 12:07Speaker 3: when people were like writing things to be like yo,
- 12:10Speaker 3: they deserved and like like cool, yeah they did. They
- 12:14Speaker 3: deserve to die for the bad coffee order. But yeah,
- 12:19Speaker 3: that's a fun, you know kind of way to exercise
- 12:23Speaker 3: the thoughts is like what if we think of the
- 12:26Speaker 3: thing we've always wanted to say or do or the
- 12:28Speaker 3: impulse in that moment and actually act naked. Yeah.
- 12:32Speaker 1: So, actually I saw in one of your earliest stand
- 12:35Speaker 1: up specials it was completely normal that some of these
- 12:38Speaker 1: ideas that popped up in bad thoughts, like the Steven
- 12:41Speaker 1: sagal bit, yeah, and the barista one that the two
- 12:44Speaker 1: headed girl. It's like those stories become fully realized in
- 12:48Speaker 1: bad thoughts, But it seems like you at least had
- 12:50Speaker 1: some concepts early.
- 12:51Speaker 3: Oh some of them been sent with me for a while. Yeah, yeah,
- 12:53Speaker 3: where or even like the origin the nugget of the
- 12:58Speaker 3: thing that became something else, Like there's a the whole
- 13:03Speaker 3: reason the storyline of the you know, the the virtual reality.
- 13:08Speaker 5: Guy, it's so good, and that's the second episode, right, yeah,
- 13:13Speaker 5: because it's a it's a three part story, right, So
- 13:16Speaker 5: there's the there's the office where he gets like disrespected,
- 13:21Speaker 5: then he creates the video game, then you reveal that
- 13:24Speaker 5: it's a game, and then.
- 13:25Speaker 3: There's the the part three words like he's become the
- 13:29Speaker 3: successful guy. Well in part two where he's like we
- 13:34Speaker 3: need to sit on that toilet together. The origin, like
- 13:37Speaker 3: the whole reason, Like what makes me laugh is that
- 13:40Speaker 3: the origin of that, The reason that that even exists
- 13:43Speaker 3: is I've always loved upsetting my mother, right, and I
- 13:46Speaker 3: know there's things that she doesn't want to ever talk about,
- 13:51Speaker 3: and one of them is going to the bathroom, right,
- 13:54Speaker 3: she just doesn't want to, So I try to say
- 13:56Speaker 3: it as much as possible.
- 13:57Speaker 2: That's good.
- 13:58Speaker 3: And few years, like several years ago, I would do
- 14:02Speaker 3: father son trips with my dad's like where I was
- 14:05Speaker 3: working adult, but I was like, he was like, you know,
- 14:07Speaker 3: let's plan something. We'd go spend like two three days
- 14:10Speaker 3: in Portland, Maine or something, you know, and then I
- 14:12Speaker 3: go back to LA. But we've been doing those trips
- 14:15Speaker 3: for years, and like even twenty five thirty years ago,
- 14:21Speaker 3: I was a teenager or whatever. I would go on
- 14:25Speaker 3: a trip like with my dad. I get back and
- 14:27Speaker 3: my mom was like, how was the weekend? And I
- 14:29Speaker 3: would go, well, you know, it was great, and I go,
- 14:31Speaker 3: you know this one day, I go, you know, Dad
- 14:35Speaker 3: was taking a shit and she'd go, I don't want
- 14:36Speaker 3: to hear this. And I go, no, no, no, this is
- 14:38Speaker 3: this is actually. She goes, I don't want to hear this.
- 14:41Speaker 3: I go, it's not what you think. She's like, okay what.
- 14:46Speaker 3: I would go, So Dad was taking a shit and
- 14:48Speaker 3: she'd be like, wow, okay, and I going, you know
- 14:50Speaker 3: how when you sit on a toilet there's like a
- 14:53Speaker 3: gap between your legs and she'd go, yeah, I go,
- 14:56Speaker 3: so I had to go and so I sat in
- 14:59Speaker 3: that gap and we went at the same time, and
- 15:01Speaker 3: she'd be like, what the hell is going And so
- 15:03Speaker 3: I would do that to her, like every couple of years,
- 15:06Speaker 3: I would tell her the same thing. She would never
- 15:08Speaker 3: remember that I'd already told her that, oh, you've used this,
- 15:11Speaker 3: I would use that exact thing that we went to
- 15:14Speaker 3: the bathroom with this same She was like, this is
- 15:16Speaker 3: the most disgusting thing I've ever heard. And I basically
- 15:20Speaker 3: wrote a story where I was like, how can I
- 15:23Speaker 3: incorporate going to the bath So the bathroom and that's
- 15:26Speaker 3: where we created the portal World. But it's all based
- 15:29Speaker 3: on that.
- 15:30Speaker 1: Do you have any concepts material that you do come
- 15:34Speaker 1: back to that you think about that that could work,
- 15:36Speaker 1: but you don't you haven't employed it in a public
- 15:39Speaker 1: way yet.
- 15:41Speaker 3: There is this thing where sometimes you go, you know,
- 15:45Speaker 3: you I've tried things and abandoned them, and then you
- 15:50Speaker 3: find that, like five or ten years later, you go, oh,
- 15:53Speaker 3: there was that joke. You're like, I'm gonna try. Ten
- 15:56Speaker 3: years have gone by, so I'm naturally going to have
- 15:59Speaker 3: a like some difference in my approach to saying it
- 16:03Speaker 3: or telling it. And and it's one of those things
- 16:06Speaker 3: where sometimes you go like, holy shit, that works now,
- 16:09Speaker 3: like it needed to marinate for a decade, but it is.
- 16:14Speaker 3: I think you you learn to listen as you listen
- 16:18Speaker 3: to yourself, right It's like it's kind of like you're
- 16:21Speaker 3: you're guiding voice internally, right of Like it's it's the
- 16:27Speaker 3: equivalent to like, don't walk down that hallway, you know,
- 16:29Speaker 3: Like I think the thing you have to work like,
- 16:34Speaker 3: work on if you're doing this is learning how to
- 16:38Speaker 3: listen to that listen to yourself, like, hey man, don't
- 16:42Speaker 3: ignore those thoughts. Like I used to think that laziness
- 16:46Speaker 3: meant not getting up on stage, But what I learned
- 16:52Speaker 3: is that laziness in in comedy, like in stand up,
- 16:58Speaker 3: is about all the times you're not on stage. You
- 17:01Speaker 3: can get on stage every night and still be a
- 17:03Speaker 3: lazy comic. You know, you're lazy if you don't spend
- 17:08Speaker 3: some time kind of exploring your own thoughts, jotting down
- 17:13Speaker 3: that thing, thinking about like that, think that's the work.
- 17:17Speaker 3: You know, the work is in those all that time
- 17:20Speaker 3: before you get on stage, and so it's it's it
- 17:23Speaker 3: kind of surprises you. Someone could be like, you're not lazy,
- 17:26Speaker 3: You're you're doing spots all the time you're like, no,
- 17:28Speaker 3: you're still lazy because you're not doing anything off stage.
- 17:33Speaker 3: I mean, one thing it's very clear is you see
- 17:36Speaker 3: comedians who are stuck, you know, like they're like, I'm
- 17:39Speaker 3: I feel stuck here. I'm not evolving. I would bet
- 17:43Speaker 3: almost everything that a lot of the people saying that
- 17:47Speaker 3: are the ones who are not trying things, not not
- 17:51Speaker 3: it's like not doing that. You always need like new,
- 17:53Speaker 3: something new, new is what makes it exciting and moving,
- 17:58Speaker 3: and so it's very easy to fall into that. Like
- 18:02Speaker 3: you figure out twenty minutes that work or whatever yep,
- 18:06Speaker 3: and you go, I'm just gonna do that because it works,
- 18:09Speaker 3: because you get fear of like what if I leave
- 18:12Speaker 3: that and I try to come up with new stuff
- 18:14Speaker 3: and the new stuff doesn't hit like that. But then
- 18:17Speaker 3: the worst thing happens, which is that that twenty minutes
- 18:20Speaker 3: that works just starts to weigh on you because it's
- 18:24Speaker 3: not exciting or new in any way, and then you
- 18:28Speaker 3: slowly kind of die inside. That's why you kind of
- 18:32Speaker 3: always want to turn things over, Like I feel like
- 18:34Speaker 3: you shoot something or you record a special and then
- 18:36Speaker 3: you just go, I'm done with it and need I
- 18:39Speaker 3: need to come up with more, and then your brain
- 18:42Speaker 3: just kind of you know, beco you generate more because
- 18:45Speaker 3: of the necessity.
- 18:48Speaker 1: The idea of like working on material, like going up
- 18:50Speaker 1: on stage to a live audience, yeah, and not even
- 18:53Speaker 1: telling them you're doing this, but like trying a new
- 18:55Speaker 1: minute or whatever.
- 18:56Speaker 2: Yeah, is that something that you do?
- 18:58Speaker 3: I mean, oh, yeah, that's I mean, that's the that's
- 19:02Speaker 3: the part you get addicted to. Really, the whole drive
- 19:05Speaker 3: of doing stand up. It's thinking of something and going
- 19:10Speaker 3: I'm going to try this on stage, and then the
- 19:15Speaker 3: build of anxiety of will this work or won't this work?
- 19:21Speaker 3: The absolute the euphoria that you feel when it does
- 19:26Speaker 3: work is like unlike any other feeling, which is why
- 19:31Speaker 3: I think comedians will do it into their nineties if
- 19:34Speaker 3: they live. And then the absolute gutting depression you feel
- 19:38Speaker 3: when it doesn't is like so it's so powerful that
- 19:43Speaker 3: you realize the only way to overcome that feeling is
- 19:46Speaker 3: to try something again and hopefully get the other reaction. Wow.
- 19:51Speaker 1: So I can only speak to my limited I'm not
- 19:54Speaker 1: stand up comedy, but I've done stand up storytelling.
- 19:56Speaker 3: If you yeah, if you have you spoke in front
- 19:58Speaker 3: of an audience, Yeah, yeah, but.
- 20:00Speaker 1: So in my world, I already know the conclusion of
- 20:02Speaker 1: all the stories. I know exactly where it's going to go.
- 20:04Speaker 1: I remember I had one show that I did and
- 20:06Speaker 1: the audience was literally like so respectful. It was difficult
- 20:10Speaker 1: for me to like get into the story because it's
- 20:11Speaker 1: like so proper, so nice, so quiet. The other crowds
- 20:15Speaker 1: were like really reacting to stuff, and it made it
- 20:17Speaker 1: so difficult to do the same stories I had rehearsed.
- 20:20Speaker 2: I can't imagine.
- 20:22Speaker 1: Having the blow of them being like dude, what was that,
- 20:25Speaker 1: and then getting up and doing it again.
- 20:26Speaker 3: Oh yeah. And the thing is there are audiences even
- 20:30Speaker 3: sometimes in stand up shows like you don't expect it,
- 20:32Speaker 3: but you get It's not like every crowd is the same.
- 20:35Speaker 3: Sometimes you get these very reserved crowds. Yeah, where you're
- 20:40Speaker 3: like used to people with like a lot of energy
- 20:43Speaker 3: and they're just like like clapping at the end hm
- 20:47Speaker 3: hmmm the bit and you're like Jesus. The thing you
- 20:50Speaker 3: learn over time is when an audience isn't like super
- 20:55Speaker 3: high energy or you go like, this audience sucks. Essentially,
- 21:00Speaker 3: I don't go hey, like when you're starting out, you're like,
- 21:02Speaker 3: why do you guys suck because you don't realize that
- 21:05Speaker 3: sometimes and this is this is true, that audience that
- 21:09Speaker 3: was just like they weren't high energy. They had a
- 21:12Speaker 3: great time, Like you don't. You don't realize it until
- 21:15Speaker 3: you've done this a while that like you'll finish that
- 21:17Speaker 3: show and you go, what the fuck was that? And
- 21:20Speaker 3: then you run into people and they're like that I
- 21:21Speaker 3: had the best time at that, and you're like, wow, really,
- 21:24Speaker 3: because what happens is an audience for the most part,
- 21:30Speaker 3: they don't they're not referencing this show to thousands of
- 21:34Speaker 3: other shows. You are, like, you know that they're down
- 21:38Speaker 3: here on the list of audiences. They don't know that
- 21:41Speaker 3: that's true. They're just like like this might be the
- 21:43Speaker 3: first show they've gone to in like three years, and
- 21:46Speaker 3: they're like, this was a great time. Wow, you're and
- 21:50Speaker 3: they'll become aware if you tell them. So you're like,
- 21:52Speaker 3: just so you know, you suck, and they're like, I
- 21:56Speaker 3: thought we were having a good time. They just don't
- 21:58Speaker 3: have that like level of ener Now the next night
- 22:01Speaker 3: you could be in a venue where it is just
- 22:04Speaker 3: like fireworks. Yeah, and those ones you almost want to
- 22:08Speaker 3: tell them you guys are unbelievable, like they don't. I
- 22:12Speaker 3: don't know if you know this, but you're insanely good.
- 22:15Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that you are a consumer of the strange,
- 22:20Speaker 1: dark and mysterious. Yes, So it wouldn't be a Mister
- 22:22Speaker 1: Ballin episode if I didn't tell you a story. Yes,
- 22:25Speaker 1: And so we actually looked for a story that would
- 22:28Speaker 1: specifically resonate with you, and I'm so excited about and
- 22:32Speaker 1: I also we even the way we got the story,
- 22:34Speaker 1: this is the context part. This story isn't really on
- 22:38Speaker 1: the internet, like we heard references to it, and we
- 22:41Speaker 1: tried to find the source material for it, but we couldn't,
- 22:43Speaker 1: Like we literally looked, we couldn't find it.
- 22:45Speaker 2: It's a story out of Mexico.
- 22:47Speaker 1: And so we finally had our Spanish language research or
- 22:50Speaker 1: track down this library in.
- 22:52Speaker 2: Mexico that had a copy of this story.
- 22:55Speaker 1: There was a very unique recording and transcript and it's
- 22:59Speaker 1: being like locally at this library in Mexico. And so
- 23:04Speaker 1: the way to access the story is you can't just
- 23:06Speaker 1: like contact the library. You have to write them a
- 23:10Speaker 1: letter to get access to this story, to hear a story,
- 23:14Speaker 1: to just read the transfer, read a transcript in the
- 23:16Speaker 1: story it's the story without the transcript not really a
- 23:19Speaker 1: good story. You need the transcript, you'll see. So we
- 23:22Speaker 1: followed their steps. We contact the library and we get
- 23:26Speaker 1: access to the story and they're like very weary of
- 23:28Speaker 1: what we're gonna do with it, but they're like, okay,
- 23:31Speaker 1: be careful with this one, right because it's like a
- 23:33Speaker 1: sensitive story for Mexico.
- 23:34Speaker 3: Okay.
- 23:35Speaker 2: So that's a setup.
- 23:36Speaker 3: So this is, by the way, let's just up. Great setup,
- 23:39Speaker 3: great set. I mean, I don't know where this's going
- 23:41Speaker 3: to go. It's good, but I'm fucking in dude. I mean,
- 23:44Speaker 3: you just you set up like a Bond story. I
- 23:47Speaker 3: had to like.
- 23:48Speaker 4: Request access through fucking headquarters to hear a story.
- 23:53Speaker 3: Okay.
- 23:54Speaker 1: So in June of nineteen seventy six, there's this twenty
- 23:57Speaker 1: three year old kid named Rafael Perez. He's training to
- 24:00Speaker 1: be a pilot and he's flying. He flies his training missions,
- 24:04Speaker 1: if you will. He's a civilian, so he flies his
- 24:06Speaker 1: training flights out of this airport and a Chimalacan, Mexico.
- 24:10Speaker 1: It's about three hours inland from Acopoco. And this kid
- 24:14Speaker 1: he's flown many times, but always with another pilot, so
- 24:17Speaker 1: he's learning how to fly a small plane in a Sessna,
- 24:19Speaker 1: and on this day in June, he's going to fly
- 24:22Speaker 1: on his own for the first time.
- 24:23Speaker 2: The flight profile is very simple. You're going to take
- 24:26Speaker 2: off like you.
- 24:26Speaker 1: Always have, fly in a loop, come back and land,
- 24:29Speaker 1: nothing more to it. You're basically demonstrating you can do
- 24:32Speaker 1: it without panicking on your own right. And keep in mind,
- 24:34Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy six, the controls, the instruments inside of
- 24:38Speaker 1: the aircraft's were pretty rudimentary, like they didn't have GPS systems.
- 24:42Speaker 1: It was sort of like you had like your compass
- 24:45Speaker 1: and you had your altimeter. But honestly, a lot of
- 24:47Speaker 1: flying was literally dead reckoning, like looking out the window
- 24:51Speaker 1: and just seeing where you were right. So he takes
- 24:54Speaker 1: off at nine to fifteen am. It's June twenty third
- 24:56Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy six.
- 24:58Speaker 3: He takes off right away.
- 25:00Speaker 1: He notices that it's very foggy like, and this is
- 25:03Speaker 1: something he knew on the ground, but from a dead
- 25:05Speaker 1: reckoning perspective looking out the window, he's got limited access
- 25:09Speaker 1: to reference points on the ground, so he really has
- 25:11Speaker 1: not really a good sense to where he is.
- 25:13Speaker 2: He's using his instruments and he's sort of guessing when
- 25:16Speaker 2: he's supposed.
- 25:16Speaker 1: To make this turn to bank around to come in
- 25:18Speaker 1: and land. But on his approach back to the airport
- 25:21Speaker 1: he's successfully done this flight.
- 25:23Speaker 2: He can't quite find.
- 25:25Speaker 1: The airport, like he's struggling to see it. But at
- 25:27Speaker 1: a certain point, based on his instruments, he realizes.
- 25:30Speaker 2: He's off course.
- 25:31Speaker 1: He's lost, and so he tries calling in with the
- 25:34Speaker 1: radio back to the control tower to be like, I'm lost,
- 25:36Speaker 1: Like I'm letting you know it's going to take me
- 25:37Speaker 1: a minute. He doesn't really hear back from them. It's
- 25:39Speaker 1: sort of garbled static. And then he realizes, oh, I
- 25:43Speaker 1: need to fly back left.
- 25:44Speaker 2: I need to go left.
- 25:45Speaker 1: So he takes the yoke the steering wheel and he
- 25:48Speaker 1: tries to bank the airplane left.
- 25:50Speaker 2: But the airplane doesn't go left.
- 25:52Speaker 1: It just continues flying level at seven thousand feet in
- 25:55Speaker 1: a straight line. And he's thinking, okay, there's clearly some
- 25:58Speaker 1: sort of issue here. It's okay, he's not panicking. He
- 26:01Speaker 1: hops in the radio and he says, hey, I'm having
- 26:03Speaker 1: some issues. I can't go left. He tried going right.
- 26:05Speaker 1: Nothing's affecting the plane. It's flying straight at seven thousand feet.
- 26:09Speaker 2: He hops in the radio. He starts talking like, what
- 26:11Speaker 2: do I do here?
- 26:12Speaker 1: I can't do anything to my plane, And as he's
- 26:15Speaker 1: trying to get a hold of anybody, who's not getting
- 26:17Speaker 1: back in touch for him, but we have his voice
- 26:19Speaker 1: being recorded into this radio, the plane actually begins to climb,
- 26:23Speaker 1: and he's not pulling back on the yoke.
- 26:25Speaker 2: He's not making the plane climb.
- 26:26Speaker 1: The plane is climbing on its own, and so it
- 26:29Speaker 1: begins to climb. And the way the fog and mist
- 26:32Speaker 1: was is there was like this big, huge cloud that
- 26:35Speaker 1: he was basically flying into. So he's ascending up to
- 26:38Speaker 1: like eight nine, ten thousand feet. He can't go left,
- 26:40Speaker 1: can't go right, He's just going straight up into this cloud,
- 26:43Speaker 1: and so he can't see anything. He's like in a void.
- 26:45Speaker 1: He's totally panicked. Now he can't get a hold of anybody.
- 26:48Speaker 2: In the radio. About the time he's totally.
- 26:50Speaker 1: Obscured in the clouds, he feels this overwhelming tiredness come
- 26:54Speaker 1: over him and he passes out, passes out in the cockpit.
- 26:58Speaker 1: He wakes up in the cockpit, has no idea how
- 27:01Speaker 1: long he's been asleep for. Could have been a second,
- 27:02Speaker 1: could have been days, but He's immediately shocked that, holy cow,
- 27:05Speaker 1: I did not crash the plane like I know. I
- 27:08Speaker 1: just fell asleep in the plane. But a couple things
- 27:10Speaker 1: immediately become clear to him. First of all, his plane
- 27:12Speaker 1: still flying, He's still in the air, he's still coasting
- 27:15Speaker 1: along right, but he's back down to seven thousand feet.
- 27:18Speaker 1: He was climbing before. Now he's back down to seven
- 27:20Speaker 1: thousand feet. He also looks out the window and there's
- 27:22Speaker 1: no more mist or fog or anything like that. It's
- 27:25Speaker 1: actually just the open ocean underneath him. And immediately he
- 27:29Speaker 1: thinks to himself, I took off from this airport. That's
- 27:33Speaker 1: three hours inland from the coast if I went in
- 27:36Speaker 1: a straight line. And he looks at his clock and
- 27:38Speaker 1: it says eleven thirty. He took up at nine point
- 27:40Speaker 1: fifteen ten fifteen eleven fifteen six, two hours and fifteen
- 27:44Speaker 1: minutes from the time he took off.
- 27:45Speaker 2: I'm doing the math right, it's below three hours. What
- 27:48Speaker 2: body of water am I over?
- 27:50Speaker 1: The amount of time that has transpired that apparently I
- 27:52Speaker 1: was asleep for is not enough time for me to
- 27:55Speaker 1: arrive over any body of water, Let's flashes through his mind.
- 27:59Speaker 2: In addition, to that.
- 28:00Speaker 1: He looks at his gas gauge and it's at three
- 28:02Speaker 1: quarters tank, and he knew that not only is that
- 28:04Speaker 1: way too high, but he wouldn't have had Even if
- 28:07Speaker 1: he had three hours, he wouldn't have had enough gas
- 28:10Speaker 1: to reach any water body.
- 28:12Speaker 2: So wouldn't have had.
- 28:13Speaker 1: Enough gas, but have three quarter tank of gas. Also, again,
- 28:16Speaker 1: how did I get here? I have no idea how
- 28:17Speaker 1: I got here, has no idea where he is. And
- 28:20Speaker 1: as he's like coming to like what's happening here, somebody
- 28:23Speaker 1: chimes in over the radio and goes, hey, hey, are
- 28:25Speaker 1: you there? And he grabs this radio and he's like
- 28:28Speaker 1: he's totally frantic. He's like, hey, I fell asleep in
- 28:31Speaker 1: my plane. I don't know where I am. And there's
- 28:33Speaker 1: a pause, and this is all recorded. There's a pause,
- 28:36Speaker 1: and the guy on the other end, he introduces himself
- 28:39Speaker 1: sort of cautiously. He's like, hey, this is Carlos. Are
- 28:43Speaker 1: you alone in your airplane? And raphaela slip of course,
- 28:47Speaker 1: I'm alone, Like where am I?
- 28:49Speaker 3: What?
- 28:49Speaker 2: I think? I fell asleep? I don't know what's going on,
- 28:51Speaker 2: and Carlos.
- 28:52Speaker 1: His reaction is just sort of okay, well, listen, here's
- 28:55Speaker 1: what we're going to do. You're just off the coast
- 28:57Speaker 1: of Bacca Poco and for the last hour you've been
- 29:00Speaker 1: flying out over the water. He just kind of showed
- 29:03Speaker 1: up right and by the way, going back to the timeline,
- 29:05Speaker 1: he arrived off the coast of Acapoco now an hour earlier,
- 29:08Speaker 1: that was ten thirty in the morning, took off at
- 29:10Speaker 1: nine point fifteen. Takes three hours to get there. He
- 29:12Speaker 1: apparently did it about an hour and fifteen minutes. So
- 29:14Speaker 1: he's circling over the water and Carlos is like, hey,
- 29:17Speaker 1: just come into the airport where I am. I'm gonna
- 29:20Speaker 1: gets you in there. You're going to land and we'll
- 29:21Speaker 1: talk to you then, and so Raphael is just happy
- 29:23Speaker 1: to be alive at this point. He comes in. He
- 29:26Speaker 1: lands at the airport in Acapoco, and as soon as
- 29:29Speaker 1: he gets off, there's these people in suits that are
- 29:31Speaker 1: there to meet him and they immediately take him. They
- 29:33Speaker 1: detain him, put him in like a black car. He's
- 29:36Speaker 1: asking what's going on. Nobody knows or they don't tell him,
- 29:38Speaker 1: and they drive him to a hospital and he's the
- 29:40Speaker 1: whole time saying, I'm so sorry about the craft. Please
- 29:43Speaker 1: tell like the where I flew out of that. I'm
- 29:45Speaker 1: sorry about the craft. I hope it's not damaged. They
- 29:47Speaker 1: bring him to the hospital. They drug test him right away.
- 29:50Speaker 1: He's not on drugs, he's sober, and they also have
- 29:53Speaker 1: a psychologist come in and they give him a profile,
- 29:56Speaker 1: make sure he's sane, and she determines that he is.
- 29:59Speaker 1: And so the whole time Rafael has no idea what's happening.
- 30:01Speaker 1: He doesn't know what they're doing. He doesn't understand any
- 30:03Speaker 1: of this, and so finally they say, okay, we're going
- 30:05Speaker 1: to tell you what happened.
- 30:07Speaker 2: So, when you showed.
- 30:09Speaker 1: Up off the coast to Baca Poco at about ten
- 30:11Speaker 1: thirty in the morning, which no one understands how you
- 30:14Speaker 1: got there, it's not possible. You showed up on the
- 30:16Speaker 1: radar screen of who you were talking to, Carlos, the
- 30:19Speaker 1: air traffic control guy, and he talked to you for
- 30:22Speaker 1: an hour while you were out over the water. That
- 30:24Speaker 1: whole time you were circling, you were talking to him,
- 30:26Speaker 1: and it was recorded.
- 30:28Speaker 2: And I'm going to read to.
- 30:29Speaker 1: You the first thing that Rafael said to Carlos, and
- 30:33Speaker 1: you're going to see in a minute. Why Carlos's first
- 30:35Speaker 1: question when Rafael came to was is there somebody else
- 30:38Speaker 1: in the plane? He said in a very deep, almost
- 30:42Speaker 1: robotic voice. When Carlos saw this blip on his radar
- 30:44Speaker 1: at ten thirty, said hey, who is this. You're flying
- 30:46Speaker 1: over Acapocos Coast. What's going on here? The voice came
- 30:50Speaker 1: back and said, the pilot is speaking, but not of
- 30:53Speaker 1: his own free will. We are using him as a microphone.
- 30:56Speaker 1: Your equipment is too primitive. It is not important to
- 31:00Speaker 1: who we are or where we come from, only that
- 31:02Speaker 1: we are inhabitants of the same universe. For the next
- 31:06Speaker 1: thirty to forty five minutes, the voice being projected through
- 31:10Speaker 1: Rafael talked about humanity is the only intelligent species in
- 31:14Speaker 1: the entire universe that uses warfare and conducts violence on
- 31:18Speaker 1: each other, and you are poised for a nuclear holocaust
- 31:21Speaker 1: and you may be exterminated if this continues. And then
- 31:25Speaker 1: at about eleven thirty, Rafael wakes up and his voice
- 31:29Speaker 1: changed completely and he said, oh.
- 31:30Speaker 3: What's going on?
- 31:31Speaker 1: I think I fell asleep at the wheel, and that's
- 31:34Speaker 1: why Carlos is like, wait a minute, I've been talking
- 31:35Speaker 1: to you for an hour, and he's like, ause, somebody
- 31:37Speaker 1: else in the craft with you, right. No one has
- 31:40Speaker 1: any idea how Rafael wound up over the coast. They
- 31:46Speaker 1: examined his plane. Nothing wrong with this plane. It really
- 31:48Speaker 1: was three quarter tanks of gas. Didn't make sense how
- 31:51Speaker 1: it got there. Nobody knows. Rafael has no idea how
- 31:53Speaker 1: he got there. And the Mexican government quickly took this story,
- 31:57Speaker 1: buried it, and now I can only access it in
- 31:59Speaker 1: this obscure library in Mexico.
- 32:03Speaker 3: That's a great story.
- 32:04Speaker 2: So what's your take on what happened?
- 32:07Speaker 3: First of all, great job telling the story you. I mean,
- 32:13Speaker 3: there is only one summary you could get. You know,
- 32:16Speaker 3: either of this is like a I guess it's too
- 32:19Speaker 3: it's either a bipolar or schizophrenic who is having a
- 32:23Speaker 3: pretty crazy episode, or there's another being involved, which is
- 32:30Speaker 3: more exciting and more entertaining, because we're in the era
- 32:34Speaker 3: now of the government being like, yeah, we have we
- 32:39Speaker 3: have stuff, and we have aliens and they've been here
- 32:43Speaker 3: and other places have them too, and most people just go,
- 32:48Speaker 3: oh cool, like the thing that we used to make
- 32:51Speaker 3: a movie about as being like, can you imagine if
- 32:53Speaker 3: there were aliens? And everybody would go like that would
- 32:55Speaker 3: be fucking wild? And then now we're like, yeah, we
- 32:58Speaker 3: have them, and everyone's like yeah, it's very strange, right,
- 33:02Speaker 3: like that there's like congressional testimony I know about aliens.
- 33:08Speaker 3: Nobody's heart even skipped a beat. I thought we would
- 33:11Speaker 3: all stop and be like, no way, nobody cares.
- 33:15Speaker 1: I know some of the footage that's been released that
- 33:18Speaker 1: some of the videos of these apparent UFOs. Yeah, I mean,
- 33:22Speaker 1: either it's an incredible cgi, which is entirely possible, but
- 33:25Speaker 1: I think the idea that there's just like widespread conspiracy
- 33:29Speaker 1: by the government, like dupe us into believing that maybe
- 33:32Speaker 1: they are, that these aren't real or something.
- 33:33Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense to me.
- 33:34Speaker 3: No, doesn't.
- 33:36Speaker 2: Do you believe in aliens, I mean extraterrestrials life outside
- 33:39Speaker 2: of humans.
- 33:40Speaker 3: So for me, it was always like when you have
- 33:44Speaker 3: and I don't even have the full comprehension of it,
- 33:47Speaker 3: but when you have some grasp of the idea of
- 33:52Speaker 3: the size of our galaxies in the universe, it becomes
- 33:56Speaker 3: For me, it just always felt like too arrogant to
- 33:59Speaker 3: be like, it's just us.
- 34:00Speaker 2: Yes, I stand with you firmly on that point.
- 34:03Speaker 3: Yeah, And then like I think the natural thing is
- 34:06Speaker 3: that used to become naturally more curious. You know, my
- 34:08Speaker 3: wife is a huge like dude, it's all day. She's like,
- 34:12Speaker 3: you know what this guy just said about UAPs. I'm like,
- 34:15Speaker 3: I don't know, and she gives me like like the
- 34:17Speaker 3: She'll read back the transcript from like the Senator and
- 34:20Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, that's pretty wild, that's pretty good. But honestly,
- 34:23Speaker 3: it's made me realize that it is a more exciting
- 34:27Speaker 3: thing to like think about and talk about. And then,
- 34:32Speaker 3: I mean, I think the natural thing is like it
- 34:34Speaker 3: feels like it's almost like being crumbed out for us.
- 34:37Speaker 3: You're like, yeah, but where's the where's the next thing?
- 34:40Speaker 2: Right?
- 34:40Speaker 3: Like when are we gonna see or hear from something?
- 34:45Speaker 3: You know, like you just want more.
- 34:47Speaker 1: That point exactly. I think it was Neil de Cross
- 34:50Speaker 1: Tyson who gave this example. I don't know if it
- 34:52Speaker 1: was him, the astrophysicist guy.
- 34:53Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like, humans think that if there were
- 34:57Speaker 2: alien life.
- 34:58Speaker 1: Extra trustrial life on Earth that effectively we believe we
- 35:03Speaker 1: could just simply identify it, that you would view it
- 35:06Speaker 1: as like a three dimensional being, let's say.
- 35:08Speaker 2: But he was like, think of it this way. What
- 35:11Speaker 2: are the odds?
- 35:12Speaker 1: Or should say When you walk down the street and
- 35:15Speaker 1: there is an ant on the ground, are you like,
- 35:18Speaker 1: I want to get down there and talk to that ant. No,
- 35:21Speaker 1: you might step on the aend, you might not even
- 35:23Speaker 1: notice the ant go even lower than that to like algae,
- 35:27Speaker 1: Are you looking to communicate with algae? No, what's to
- 35:31Speaker 1: say that we are not equivalent to an ant or
- 35:34Speaker 1: algae to other beings? Suggesting if there were higher beings
- 35:40Speaker 1: on this planet, it's very arrogant to say we would
- 35:43Speaker 1: simply one they'd be interested in us.
- 35:45Speaker 2: Are you interested in algae?
- 35:47Speaker 1: Or two that we could even recognize them as anything
- 35:49Speaker 1: close to what we are. Algae and humans couldn't be
- 35:52Speaker 1: more different in terms of their makeup, and so it's
- 35:54Speaker 1: like they could absolutely be here, but they're four dimensional.
- 35:57Speaker 3: Imagine the aliens watching like they're just like trying to
- 36:00Speaker 3: figure out and they just pull up this clip and
- 36:03Speaker 3: they're just like, look, these two fucking ants like talking
- 36:06Speaker 3: about the dumbest shits too. We want to waste our
- 36:09Speaker 3: time with these morons. Also, there's also the theory that
- 36:14Speaker 3: it becomes you know, it feels like fantasy, but I
- 36:17Speaker 3: don't know. You can let your mind kind of embrace
- 36:19Speaker 3: the idea that certain humans. You're like, that's a reptilian
- 36:25Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, Like, that's a like
- 36:27Speaker 3: these evil like these like innately evil seeming people. Yeah,
- 36:31Speaker 3: and I don't know that they're already here. You're like,
- 36:34Speaker 3: it's kind of fun to to play with that idea.
- 36:37Speaker 2: I like to believe.
- 36:38Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, it did fun. It's fun.
- 36:39Speaker 1: So for you, I mean, I I you've been successful
- 36:44Speaker 1: in so many different mediums. You know, you just got
- 36:46Speaker 1: renewed for season two of Bad Thoughts.
- 36:48Speaker 2: It is amazing you've sort of done like.
- 36:52Speaker 3: All of it.
- 36:53Speaker 2: What's the next chapter? Like you described evolving, I mean,
- 36:56Speaker 2: you've done a lot of that.
- 36:57Speaker 3: What's next? Honestly, it's I mean, I keep doing as
- 37:02Speaker 3: many of those things as you can. And then it's
- 37:06Speaker 3: I have a movie this summer. I'm really excited to do.
- 37:10Speaker 3: I've always loved movies, Like, I'm a huge fan of cinema,
- 37:16Speaker 3: and so for me, it's like I feel like I
- 37:20Speaker 3: won the lottery where I get to, like I get
- 37:23Speaker 3: to do a movie. This is so awesome. I'm so
- 37:27Speaker 3: excited to do it.
- 37:27Speaker 2: Can you tell us anything about the movie?
- 37:29Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's a cartel comedy. I get to
- 37:35Speaker 3: play more than one character. I gets play two characters,
- 37:37Speaker 3: which is like it just feels insane that they're allowing
- 37:41Speaker 3: me to do this. And it's really really funny script.
- 37:46Speaker 3: It's so ridiculous and it's a it's an R rated comedy.
- 37:51Speaker 3: It's wild, it's wild, it's fun. But it also has
- 37:53Speaker 3: like a lot to me, like the thing that I
- 37:56Speaker 3: loved about great comedies growing up, especially like R rated comedies, Yeah,
- 38:00Speaker 3: was like you almost take the comedies for granted, that
- 38:04Speaker 3: the comedic parts of it. It's like you have to
- 38:07Speaker 3: have great story supporting the comedy. Like it's almost like
- 38:12Speaker 3: you go, like, I know this is gonna be funny,
- 38:14Speaker 3: but is the story a good story? And I think
- 38:17Speaker 3: this is a really good story that has like great dynamics,
- 38:22Speaker 3: great characters, and it's outrageously funny, but you still care
- 38:26Speaker 3: for this main character. And I mean, I'm talking to
- 38:31Speaker 3: you about six weeks before we shoot.
- 38:35Speaker 4: If they'll definitely cut this up and plate if we
- 38:40Speaker 4: make a piece of so good.
- 38:42Speaker 3: But I'm very excited to do it. I'm so excited.
- 38:45Speaker 3: So that's to me, like the most exciting thing about
- 38:48Speaker 3: like what's next. I'm like, I'm so stoked to do this.
- 38:50Speaker 3: I've always been. I moved to LA when I was
- 38:53Speaker 3: twenty two, thinking that, like, I'm gonna have a movie
- 38:56Speaker 3: career forty six, I'm gonna do a movie.
- 39:00Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll do Congratulations and seriously, you need to check
- 39:03Speaker 1: out Bad Thoughts.
- 39:04Speaker 3: Thank you Flicks.
- 39:05Speaker 2: Season two is very exciting. I look forward to your
- 39:07Speaker 2: movie You're the Man, dude.
- 39:08Speaker 3: Thank you, sure man love, thank you, thank you.